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It was okay. — "Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?"  -SeaLab2021

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Welcome back. How was your break

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"Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1109433785.623196.57900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > Welcome back. How was your break

Eternity takes longer than I thought. — "Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?"  -SeaLab2021

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1109433785.623196.57900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > > Welcome back. How was your break > Eternity takes longer than I thought.

That’s why they call it "eternity" and not "brevity", old sport.

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"Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1109434557.910077.136030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:1109433785.623196.57900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: >> > Welcome back. How was your break >> Eternity takes longer than I thought. > That’s why they call it "eternity" and not "brevity", old sport.

Touche. — "Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?"  -SeaLab2021

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:1109434557.910077.136030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > >> "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > >> news:1109433785.623196.57900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > >> > Welcome back. How was your break > >> Eternity takes longer than I thought. > > That’s why they call it "eternity" and not "brevity", old sport. > Touche. > — > "Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?"  -SeaLab2021

Without an accent over the e, I keep thinking of an accounting firm.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Poppytar wrote: > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > > "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > > news:1109434557.910077.136030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > > > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > > >> "Jim Winters" <extremereactionfo…@yahoo.com> wrote in > > >> news:1109433785.623196.57900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > > >> > Welcome back. How was your break > > >> Eternity takes longer than I thought. > > > That’s why they call it "eternity" and not "brevity", old sport. > > Touche. > > — > > "Was that guy on TV a robot-monkey?"  -SeaLab2021 > Without an accent over the e, I keep thinking of an accounting firm.

In this age of automatic spellcheckers, we all look like literati when we use Microsoft Word.  If you miss out on an accent, no problem — the software adds it automatically for you.  We are all Frenchmen.

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Sometimes the most obvious is the answer— that is why I asked you to breakdown the accounting equation for us. — Tippy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found my error and it was in compounding rather than deducting (i.e.  I added my total expenses of 7,000 to my total assets of 23,000 instead of subtracting 7,000 from 23,000 in order to arrive at my net income.  I was looking for the figure $16,000, but came up with $30,000.)  So in the end this was why I had such a huge variance. Thanks for the help anyway.

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A suggestion; Never look for a specific number.  Keep the number in mind but never try to reach a certain number by matching, adding or subtracting.  Just like in your case (trying to reach $30,000) it tends to have you spin your wheels, or it might cause you to reach inaccurate results.  If you had found two or three entries (of coincidence) totaling $30,000 you would be under the assumption that you found your mistake, and could have inaccurate results. Instead, trace the transactions and check the entries for accuracy.  Might take less time, might take more,  but in the end you will always get the right figures in right accounts.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found my error and it was in compounding rather than deducting (i.e.  I added my total expenses of 7,000 to my total assets of 23,000 instead of subtracting 7,000 from 23,000 in order to arrive at my net income.  I was looking for the figure $16,000, but came up with $30,000.)  So in the end this was why I had such a huge variance. Thanks for the help anyway.

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I found my error and it was in compounding rather than deducting (i.e.  I added my total expenses of 7,000 to my total assets of 23,000 instead of subtracting 7,000 from 23,000 in order to arrive at my net income.  I was looking for the figure $16,000, but came up with $30,000.)  So in the end this was why I had such a huge variance. Thanks for the help anyway.

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Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

Well, I was 31 when I graduated in ‘77 and I was told flat out I was too old to be an accountant. The fellow from Arthur Young made quite a scene about my bad form in even applying for an interview with him. I also got some rather nasty letters from Arthur Anderson.   Since then we have had the Federal age discrimination in hiring act, but I haven’t noticed any improvement.  I don’t get told I’m too old anymore, but it is clearly and issue.   When I was working for the Federal Government I was told similar stories by several others who had the same experience.  At that time the only positions I could find were with the Federal agencies that had over 50% travel, as most accountants didn’t consider these desirable jobs. Best Regards. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, B&H Photo Video, Heinz Foods, Ontario & Quebec provinces, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying." For those who are unclear about the situation, California is the Clinton – Davis model for the rest of the United States of America.

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Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. Assuming your computer programming skills are reasonably current, and you live in a city with a decent size population, a little research and some targeted marketing would probably turn up some opportunities for you.  Perhaps not a job per se, but some Contract Programming work. It may be a tad late to go back to school and get an Accounting Degree, as when you graduate you would have to work in some junior positions until you gained a degree of proficiency in the accounting field.  You could always get contract work doing bookkeeping and payroll functions for some small businesses and build yourself a small business that way.  I know gals who do that who don’t have an accounting degree other than what they got from the ’school of hard knocks’ and they make a reasonable living and enjoy a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have working as an employee for a company. The days of long term, steady jobs are rapidly disappearing.  I think it is best if you start aiming towards some type of self-employment. You gotta get out there and hustle, and you won’t be provided with Health and Pension plans, etc.., but it can be and is an enjoyable and rewarding way to make a living. Best wishes!   Des

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America? If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

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Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

You and I are the same age and in the exact same situation… with the difference you are in the States where I am in Canada. I think we both have an advantage in accounting due to our familiarity with computers and prior work experience… we are not green behind the ears. Pretty much everyone starts at the bottom in accounting… at least so I’m told by some accounting type friends. I have wrestled for sometime with what to do and where to start. I have lined up some government assistance (not a student loan) where they will be paying for me to attend a 15 month program that will lead to an accounting clerk type of position. The outlook is fairly decent for those types of positions here in Canada… if it wasn’t the government would not provide financial assistance. I’ve been browsing the market for sometime and do see for myself there are quite a number positions available at this level. My plan is to go through with the program and obtain employment in the area. After that I may decide to achieve a higher accounting education / designation on my own dime n’ time. I’ve set my expectations low and will be taking it one day at a time. I will be happy to achieve the diploma I will be granted at the end of the program and gain an entry level position where I can built on my experience. The fact is… older workers do have a harder time getting employed. The longer I spend now preparing for a new career means the older I will be when time comes to seek that first position in the new career. However, being older we do have the advantage that our computer career experience fits in nicely with accounting these days. We both have another 18 years of service to offer an employer prior to 65. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD.

I wish that were true.  As someone who is 49 years old I would have to agree i’m old.   Too many companies won’t hire someone like me becuase they can hire someone with less experience and pay much for less.   I have lots of experience and work for myself now doing very well but too many companies won’t even consider someon as old as me when they can hire someone half my age and pay them alot less.   "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize."                          referring to Justin                          Timberlake To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address.     —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions.  If you think you would like accounting take a course at a community college before getting into a degree program.  there might be some opportunities there to ask questions and assess your skills. Your computer experience may help in some areas but it will be a lot more difficult to start a new career now than another field, for example, nursing or pharmacist   (two supposely hot areas !!)

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unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions.

Is the same true of 31 year olds too? I know that with an accounting degree, job prospects are versatile, but I am planning for a career in forensic accounting/ auditing. I would hope a company would see more than just my age as a "credential." Afterall, why would a company hire a 22 year old who probably still likes to party, and be late for work, and if female, take time off for maternity leave and possibly never come back to work? I am beyond all that and ready to start my career (as soon as I graduate). Jan

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A self-employed person can, in fact, have health benefits and pension plans by virtue of the tax laws.  You need to look into this more closely. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. Assuming your computer programming skills are reasonably current, and you live in a city with a decent size population, a little research and some targeted marketing would probably turn up some opportunities for you.  Perhaps not a job per se, but some Contract Programming work. It may be a tad late to go back to school and get an Accounting Degree, as when you graduate you would have to work in some junior positions until you gained a degree of proficiency in the accounting field.  You could always get contract work doing bookkeeping and payroll functions for some small businesses and build yourself a small business that way.  I know gals who do that who don’t have an accounting degree other than what they got from the ’school of hard knocks’ and they make a reasonable living and enjoy a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have working as an employee for a company. The days of long term, steady jobs are rapidly disappearing.  I think it is best if you start aiming towards some type of self-employment. You gotta get out there and hustle, and you won’t be provided with Health and Pension plans, etc.., but it can be and is an enjoyable and rewarding way to make a living. Best wishes!   Des Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America? If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

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<snip difficult to start a new career now than another field, for example, nursing or pharmacist   (two supposely hot areas !!)

Right. IT was HOT a while back as well and look what happened there. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions. Is the same true of 31 year olds too? I know that with an accounting degree, job prospects are versatile, but I am planning for a career in forensic accounting/ auditing. I would hope a company would see more than just my age as a "credential." Afterall, why would a company hire a 22 year old who probably still likes to party, and be late for work, and if female, take time off for maternity leave and possibly never come back to work? I am beyond all that and ready to start my career (as soon as I graduate). Jan

The thing is this… there are no hard and fast rules regarding the age thing. Some interviewers take some delight in yanking a candidates chain. It is an opportunity to have fun with someone they think they will never see again. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions.  If you think you would like accounting take a course at a community college before getting into a degree program.  there might be some opportunities there to ask questions and assess your skills. Your computer experience may help in some areas but it will be a lot more difficult to start a new career now than another field, for example, nursing or pharmacist   (two supposely hot areas !!)

You will soon discover though that even though age discrimination is illegal here and they can’t ask you your age legally they can figure out your age by your answer to other questions.   "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize."                          referring to Justin                          Timberlake To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address.     —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  

I agree completely with that statement. However, I have continually run into people who make the placement decisions and they  insist that 30 is over the hill and to old to cut the mustard. Best Regards. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, B&H Photo Video, Heinz Foods, Ontario & Quebec provinces, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying." For those who are unclear about the situation, California is the Clinton – Davis model for the rest of the United States of America.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions. Is the same true of 31 year olds too? I know that with an accounting degree, job prospects are versatile, but I am planning for a career in forensic accounting/ auditing. I would hope a company would see more than just my age as a "credential." Afterall, why would a company hire a 22 year old who probably still likes to party, and be late for work, and if female, take time off for maternity leave and possibly never come back to work? I am beyond all that and ready to start my career (as soon as I graduate). Jan

The only suggestion I can make is that people are far from rational. Accountants are not an exception to this rule.  Remember, there is a reason why there is a Black CPA Association. AIR, the hard and fast cut off for accountants, for cpa practices, was twenty seven.  The rationales I used to hear for this were rather nasty.  What with age discrimination suits and the PC nazis, I haven’t heard them voiced in many years, but I think the activities are still going on. Best Regards. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, B&H Photo Video, Heinz Foods, Ontario & Quebec provinces, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying." For those who are unclear about the situation, California is the Clinton – Davis model for the rest of the United States of America.

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<snip difficult to start a new career now than another field, for example, nursing or pharmacist   (two supposely hot areas !!) Right. IT was HOT a while back as well and look what happened there.

"HOT" is a moving target.  The miniute something gets covered as "HOT" in the press, it has, IMHO,  just about peaked.  The education folks are always going like gangbusters to jump on the next "HOT" career and turn out an over supply of qualified folks.  It is just the way the free market system works. Best Regards. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, B&H Photo Video, Heinz Foods, Ontario & Quebec provinces, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying." For those who are unclear about the situation, California is the Clinton – Davis model for the rest of the United States of America.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good. I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser Well, I was 31 when I graduated in ‘77 and I was told flat out I was too old to be an accountant. The fellow from Arthur Young made quite a scene about my bad form in even applying for an interview with him. I also got some rather nasty letters from Arthur Anderson.   Since then we have had the Federal age discrimination in hiring act, but I haven’t noticed any improvement.  I don’t get told I’m too old anymore, but it is clearly and issue. When I was working for the Federal Government I was told similar stories by several others who had the same experience.  At that time the only positions I could find were with the Federal agencies that had over 50% travel, as most accountants didn’t consider these desirable jobs. Best Regards. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, B&H Photo Video, Heinz Foods, Ontario & Quebec provinces, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying." For those who are unclear about the situation, California is the Clinton –

Davis model for the rest of the United States of America. That’s indredible.  And senseless.  Why did they think you went to college, anyway?  It sounds like you did okay, though. Were you expecting that?  Do you feel that all the propaganda we are fed about how wonderful a college education is and which is usually not qualified with but-don’t-bother-if-you’re-over-25 led you down the garden path? Robert

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It is generally a bad idea to have your career too closely linked to a piece of software.  That’s because they go out of fashion and you can be left with worthless experience.  This is true for anyone.  Programmers fall into that category as well as others.  That’s why I came up with this idea of the accounting degree.  But like you said it is probably too late.  If I’m going to have to get highly creative to get a job anyway, it probably wouldn’t be worth it. Thanks for posting.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. Assuming your computer programming skills are reasonably current, and you live in a city with a decent size population, a little research and some targeted marketing would probably turn up some opportunities for you.  Perhaps not a job per se, but some Contract Programming work. It may be a tad late to go back to school and get an Accounting Degree, as when you graduate you would have to work in some junior positions until you gained a degree of proficiency in the accounting field.  You could always get contract work doing bookkeeping and payroll functions for some small businesses and build yourself a small business that way.  I know gals who do that who don’t have an accounting degree other than what they got from the ’school of hard knocks’ and they make a reasonable living and enjoy a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have working as an employee for a company. The days of long term, steady jobs are rapidly disappearing.  I think it is best if you start aiming towards some type of self-employment. You gotta get out there and hustle, and you won’t be provided with Health and Pension plans, etc.., but it can be and is an enjoyable and rewarding way to make a living. Best wishes!   Des Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America? If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

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Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  …snip…

Why?  What specifically were/are you?  I’d think it would be much simpler to find a newer niche in a related field rather than start over w/a new degree as a rank amateur again at age 50+.  I am a Nuclear Engineer by degree who evolved into the fossil-fired power industry when Carter (and the greenies) killed the commercial nuclear power market. On the way I did robotics, data acq/computer systems, reliability/maintainability, engineering statistics/probabilistic engineering, …  Look at what’s going on around and find something you’re interested in and that somebody wants and it shouldn’t be too hard if you’ll expand/modify your interests/capabilities.

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It is generally a bad idea to have your career too closely linked to a piece of software.  That’s because they go out of fashion and you can be left with worthless experience.  This is true for anyone.  Programmers fall into that category as well as others.  That’s why I came up with this idea of the accounting degree.  But like you said it is probably too late.  If I’m going to have to get highly creative to get a job anyway, it probably wouldn’t be worth it.

This is sooooo true. Early on in my career I became very closely linked with Hewlett-Packard and the HP3000 system. Eventually my speciality was HP3000 systems management. In fact I became so closely linked with Hewlett-Packard that I ended up working for them. A few years later they pulled the plug on the HP3000 line and I lost my job in the massive layoffs that company had. So there I was no job and virtually all of my experience with the HP3000 which the manufacturer and company I worked for said they would not longer be making or supporting eventually. The job market in the HP3000 area dried up overnight… and it was tough before to get a job on those systems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for posting. Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. Assuming your computer programming skills are reasonably current, and you live in a city with a decent size population, a little research and some targeted marketing would probably turn up some opportunities for you.  Perhaps not a job per se, but some Contract Programming work. It may be a tad late to go back to school and get an Accounting Degree, as when you graduate you would have to work in some junior positions until you gained a degree of proficiency in the accounting field.  You could always get contract work doing bookkeeping and payroll functions for some small businesses and build yourself a small business that way.  I know gals who do that who don’t have an accounting degree other than what they got from the ’school of hard knocks’ and they make a reasonable living and enjoy a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have working as an employee for a company. The days of long term, steady jobs are rapidly disappearing.  I think it is best if you start aiming towards some type of self-employment. You gotta get out there and hustle, and you won’t be provided with Health and Pension plans, etc.., but it can be and is an enjoyable and rewarding way to make a living. Best wishes!   Des Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America? If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

– "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good. …snip… Why?  What specifically were/are you?  I’d think it would be much simpler to find a newer niche in a related field rather than start over w/a new degree as a rank amateur again at age 50+.  I am a Nuclear Engineer by degree who evolved into the fossil-fired power industry when Carter (and the greenies) killed the commercial nuclear power market. On the way I did robotics, data acq/computer systems, reliability/maintainability, engineering statistics/probabilistic engineering, …  Look at what’s going on around and find something you’re interested in and that somebody wants and it shouldn’t be too hard if you’ll expand/modify your interests/capabilities.

Management demands paid working experience in a list (not just one) of software disciplines, so if you don’t have paid experience in all or most of their demands, they don’t want you.  This experience must be from not more than 6 months ago, which is to say if you’re out of work for more than 6 months, they don’t want you. I was into SAP. Robert

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions. Is the same true of 31 year olds too? I know that with an accounting degree, job prospects are versatile, but I am planning for a career in forensic accounting/ auditing. I would hope a company would see more than just my age as a "credential." Afterall, why would a company hire a 22 year old who probably still likes to party, and be late for work, and if female, take time off for maternity leave and possibly never come back to work? I am beyond all that and ready to start my career (as soon as I graduate). Jan

no, I don’t think it’s true of 31 year olds!   CPA firms want those willing to work 12 hour days for a low (initial) salary and someone straight out college fits the bill.   You may have to settle for something other than "forensic" accounting at first but you should not get blocked by age discrimination like, say, a 50 something white male just starting out in accounting.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good. I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing. Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser You and I are the same age and in the exact same situation… with the difference you are in the States where I am in Canada. I think we both have an advantage in accounting due to our familiarity with computers and prior work experience… we are not green behind the ears. Pretty much everyone starts at the bottom in accounting… at least so I’m told by some accounting type friends. I have wrestled for sometime with what to do and where to start. I have lined up some government assistance (not a student loan) where they will be paying for me to attend a 15 month program that will lead to an accounting clerk type of position. The outlook is fairly decent for those types of positions here in Canada… if it wasn’t the government would not provide financial assistance. I’ve been browsing the market for sometime and do see for myself there are quite a number positions available at this level. My plan is to go through with the program and obtain employment in the area. After that I may decide to achieve a higher accounting education / designation on my own dime n’ time. I’ve set my expectations low and will be taking it one day at a time. I will be happy to achieve the diploma I will be granted at the end of the program and gain an entry level position where I can built on my experience. The fact is… older workers do have a harder time getting employed. The longer I spend now preparing for a new career means the older I will be when time comes to seek that first position in the new career. However, being older we do have the advantage that our computer career experience fits in nicely with accounting these days. We both have another 18 years of service to offer an employer prior to 65. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                      -Joe Canuck Actually, I have thought of moving to Canada (for reasons unrelated to my career.)  You’ve given me an idea.  I could take bookkeeping which would involve less of a commitment / less risk.  Not sure if that’s what you’re doing.

I looked into the bookkeeping option. The program I have decided on offers a wee bit more training. Check out this site (Canadian): http://www.cibcb.com/home.htm There are links there for training. As you know, when I started taking programming courses in school many years ago it was promoted as a key to employment security.  I guess you know how untrue that turned out to be. Good luck. Robert

I sure do. My first IT job was programming with RPG. These days no one knows what RPG is anymore.  :-) Good luck to you as well! — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good. I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing. Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser unfortunately the reality is you will encounter age discrimination in entry level accounting positions.  If you think you would like accounting take a course at a community college before getting into a degree program.  there might be some opportunities there to ask questions and assess your skills. Your computer experience may help in some areas but it will be a lot more difficult to start a new career now than another field, for example, nursing or pharmacist   (two supposely hot areas !!)

Thanks, Bob.  I have 1 year of accounting and completing the program wouldn’t be a problem.  But I shouldn’t bother if there’s no job waiting at the other end. Robert

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good. I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing. Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America?  If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser You and I are the same age and in the exact same situation… with the difference you are in the States where I am in Canada. I think we both have an advantage in accounting due to our familiarity with computers and prior work experience… we are not green behind the ears. Pretty much everyone starts at the bottom in accounting… at least so I’m told by some accounting type friends. I have wrestled for sometime with what to do and where to start. I have lined up some government assistance (not a student loan) where they will be paying for me to attend a 15 month program that will lead to an accounting clerk type of position. The outlook is fairly decent for those types of positions here in Canada… if it wasn’t the government would not provide financial assistance. I’ve been browsing the market for sometime and do see for myself there are quite a number positions available at this level. My plan is to go through with the program and obtain employment in the area. After that I may decide to achieve a higher accounting education / designation on my own dime n’ time. I’ve set my expectations low and will be taking it one day at a time. I will be happy to achieve the diploma I will be granted at the end of the program and gain an entry level position where I can built on my experience. The fact is… older workers do have a harder time getting employed. The longer I spend now preparing for a new career means the older I will be when time comes to seek that first position in the new career. However, being older we do have the advantage that our computer career experience fits in nicely with accounting these days. We both have another 18 years of service to offer an employer prior to 65. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

Actually, I have thought of moving to Canada (for reasons unrelated to my career.)  You’ve given me an idea.  I could take bookkeeping which would involve less of a commitment / less risk.  Not sure if that’s what you’re doing. As you know, when I started taking programming courses in school many years ago it was promoted as a key to employment security.  I guess you know how untrue that turned out to be. Good luck. Robert

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Yes, you can purchase health insurance and open a Keogh (I.R.A. ?) plan. Robert

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A self-employed person can, in fact, have health benefits and pension plans by virtue of the tax laws.  You need to look into this more closely. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation Hi Robert! First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. Assuming your computer programming skills are reasonably current, and you live in a city with a decent size population, a little research and some targeted marketing would probably turn up some opportunities for you.  Perhaps not a job per se, but some Contract Programming work. It may be a tad late to go back to school and get an Accounting Degree, as when you graduate you would have to work in some junior positions until you gained a degree of proficiency in the accounting field.  You could always get contract work doing bookkeeping and payroll functions for some small businesses and build yourself a small business that way.  I know gals who do that who don’t have an accounting degree other than what they got from the ’school of hard knocks’ and they make a reasonable living and enjoy a degree of freedom that they wouldn’t have working as an employee for a company. The days of long term, steady jobs are rapidly disappearing.  I think it is best if you start aiming towards some type of self-employment. You gotta get out there and hustle, and you won’t be provided with Health and Pension plans, etc.., but it can be and is an enjoyable and rewarding way to make a living. Best wishes!   Des Hello At 47 years of age, I am interested in becoming an accountant.  I was a computer programmer for 22 years and that appears to be over for good.  I’m afraid if I go back to school and get a degree in accounting I won’t be able to get an entry-level job because of my age which will probably be 49-51 at that time?  I don’t want to spend 2 or 3 years in school for nothing.  Is anyone here familiar with the actual practice in corporate America? If someone who hires entry-level accountants or is at least knowlegable of the true practice could confirm or deny that older applicants for entry-level are basically unheard of (and therefore not hired should one happen to turn up) ? Robert Crouser

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If you are able to be picky about your salary, then you’re doing okay. Robert

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, 47 is NOT old.  You have a long way to go before you are OLD. I wish that were true.  As someone who is 49 years old I would have to agree i’m old. Too many companies won’t hire someone like me becuase they can hire someone with less experience and pay much for less. I have lots of experience and work for myself now doing very well but too many companies won’t even consider someon as old as me when they can hire someone half my age and pay them alot less. "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize."                          referring to Justin                          Timberlake To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO Or you can always upgrade with Foreplay.1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 We could really have fun with this one huh? How about BlackLeather.1201 With hope and heart, Kathleen

Foreplay 1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 out of stock due to containing virus. Were interfering with Beer 3.2(XP) and TV.6.1a

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Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO

Or you can always upgrade with Foreplay.1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 We could really have fun with this one huh? How about BlackLeather.1201 With hope and heart, Kathleen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed that the new program began making unexpected changes to the accounting modules, limiting access to flower and jewelry applications that had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9 but installed undesirable programs such as NFL 5.0 and NBA 3.0. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I’ve tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. Desperate Dear Desperate: Keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Try to enter the command: C:/ I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications: Guilty 3.0 and Flowers 7.0, but remember, overuse can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0 or Beer 6.1. Beer 6.1 is a very bad program. DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. Consider buying additional software to improve performance. I personally recommend HotFood 3.0 and Lingerie 5.3. Also, running Nagging 5.3 too often can sometimes cause Husband 1.0 to secretly install Mistress 1.0, which would then require your to run Private Investigator 7.5 utility and possible even Attorney 9.0, which could lead to a system wide failure and the need to reboot Husband 1.0! Everybody clear on this now?

Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed that the new program began making unexpected changes to the accounting modules, limiting access to flower and jewelry applications that had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9 but installed undesirable programs such as NFL 5.0 and NBA 3.0. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I’ve tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. Desperate Dear Desperate: Keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Try to enter the command: C:/ I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications: Guilty 3.0 and Flowers 7.0, but remember, overuse can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0 or Beer 6.1. Beer 6.1 is a very bad program. DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. Consider buying additional software to improve performance. I personally recommend HotFood 3.0 and Lingerie 5.3. Also, running Nagging 5.3 too often can sometimes cause Husband 1.0 to secretly install Mistress 1.0, which would then require your to run Private Investigator 7.5 utility and possible even Attorney 9.0, which could lead to a system wide failure and the need to reboot Husband 1.0! Everybody clear on this now?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed that the new program began making unexpected changes to the accounting modules, limiting access to flower and jewelry applications that had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9 but installed undesirable programs such as NFL 5.0 and NBA 3.0. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I’ve tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. Desperate Dear Desperate: Keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Try to enter the command: C:/ I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications: Guilty 3.0 and Flowers 7.0, but remember, overuse can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0 or Beer 6.1. Beer 6.1 is a very bad program. DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. Consider buying additional software to improve performance. I personally recommend HotFood 3.0 and Lingerie 5.3. Also, running Nagging 5.3 too often can sometimes cause Husband 1.0 to secretly install Mistress 1.0, which would then require your to run Private Investigator 7.5 utility and possible even Attorney 9.0, which could lead to a system wide failure and the need to reboot Husband 1.0! Everybody clear on this now?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Tech Support: Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend 5.0 to Husband 1.0 and noticed that the new program began making unexpected changes to the accounting modules, limiting access to flower and jewelry applications that had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend 5.0. In addition, Husband 1.0 uninstalled many other valuable programs, such as Romance 9.9 but installed undesirable programs such as NFL 5.0 and NBA 3.0. Conversation 8.0 no longer runs and Housecleaning 2.6 simply crashes the system. I’ve tried running Nagging 5.3 to fix these problems, but to no avail. Desperate Dear Desperate: Keep in mind, Boyfriend 5.0 is an entertainment package, while Husband 1.0 is an operating system. Try to enter the command: C:/ I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME and install Tears 6.2. Husband 1.0 should then automatically run the applications: Guilty 3.0 and Flowers 7.0, but remember, overuse can cause Husband 1.0 to default to Grumpy Silence 2.5, Happy Hour 7.0 or Beer 6.1. Beer 6.1 is a very bad program. DO NOT install Mother-In-Law 1.0 or reinstall another Boyfriend program. These are not supported applications and will crash Husband 1.0. In summary, Husband 1.0 is a great program, but it does have limited memory and cannot learn new applications quickly. Consider buying additional software to improve performance. I personally recommend HotFood 3.0 and Lingerie 5.3. Also, running Nagging 5.3 too often can sometimes cause Husband 1.0 to secretly install Mistress 1.0, which would then require your to run Private Investigator 7.5 utility and possible even Attorney 9.0, which could lead to a system wide failure and the need to reboot Husband 1.0! Everybody clear on this now?

Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO

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Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO

Or you can always upgrade with Foreplay.1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 We could really have fun with this one huh? How about BlackLeather.1201 With hope and heart, Kathleen

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Try "batteries.exe" Runs under "V-Basic" ROTFLMAO Or you can always upgrade with Foreplay.1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 We could really have fun with this one huh? How about BlackLeather.1201 With hope and heart, Kathleen

Foreplay 1201 and Kissmethere.2.0 out of stock due to containing virus. Were interfering with Beer 3.2(XP) and TV.6.1a

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we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes…

you got a pink friend too (that would be me, those of you who don’t already know how pink i am).  my living room walls are pale pink.  my computer room is a bright pinkish-salmon, with a light pink ceiling (no really, it looks good).  i have pink skin and wear pink clothes. we adore pink.  i think we have said here before how pink is the color of new life. you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS!

hear, hear. tv – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world.  - Paul Nizan

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we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world.  - Paul Nizan

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hm…yes, well…if you haven’t all forgotten, pink is katy’s favorite color. combine that with her favorite animal, and she would be in h*aven if there were such a thing as pink elephants.  (actually, her favorite elephant at the zoo, ganesh, is grey and pink…and just a baby) but i’m sorry.  i still hate my pink refrigerator. diane, of Ravensong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you got a pink friend too (that would be me, those of you who don’t already know how pink i am).  my living room walls are pale pink.  my computer room is a bright pinkish-salmon, with a light pink ceiling (no really, it looks good).  i have pink skin and wear pink clothes. we adore pink.  i think we have said here before how pink is the color of new life. you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! hear, hear. tv betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world.  - Paul Nizan

"If you feel bad, blow bubble stuff or watch the snails after it rains.  That always makes me feel better."                                     – Katy, of Ravensong

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there is a pink sink in our bathroom. and the other thing is pink,  but we don’t feel like writing that word.   oh, and the tub is pink too.  it might be darker than pink. maybe rose.. you would like them, we think, we think – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world. – Paul Nizan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy

The claw foot tub in the house I had when married was pink on the outside and they had painted the wainscotting (spelling) pink with blue and pink flowered wallpaper above it.  I liked the clawfoot but can’t say much for the rest of it.  It was upstairs though and too hard to move to take out to have it refinished.   I’d love to have that tub now in any color.   linda — –~~There’s a difference between KNOWING the path…and WALKING the path~~

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yes.  the best tubs. trill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy The claw foot tub in the house I had when married was pink on the outside and they had painted the wainscotting (spelling) pink with blue and pink flowered wallpaper above it.  I liked the clawfoot but can’t say much for the rest of it.  It was upstairs though and too hard to move to take out to have it refinished. I’d love to have that tub now in any color. linda — –~~There’s a difference between KNOWING the path…and WALKING the path~~

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my living room is in pink, navy blue, and purple.  but mostly blue and purple.  but pink shell desingns on couch and some pink cushionsl  And for awhile I had a pink rug, but my dog destroyed it. but no pink refrigerators.  such is a bad idea. trill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world.  - Paul Nizan

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snip The claw foot tub in the house I had when married was pink on the outside and they had painted the wainscotting (spelling) pink with blue and pink flowered wallpaper above it.  I liked the clawfoot but can’t say much for the rest of it.  It was upstairs though and too hard to move to take out to have it refinished. I’d love to have that tub now in any color. linda

i had a green (light with dark trim) tiled bathroom with pink accents  once. (iirc the toilet was a color kind of between salmon and baby pink. maybe the stand sink and bathtub, too, although i don’t remember that well. ) it sounds awful but it grew on me and i ended up liking it. weird bc it was art deco and i didn’t really like that at the time, either, although i learned to appreciate that as well. the way i found out was kind of embarrassing bc i was showing a friend my awful bathroom (quite a few friends had agreed with my assessment and she told me it was a beautiful example of art deco. oooops. well, there’s no accounting for taste. or lack thereof.  ;-)   (turns out she was right, at least according to a couple of other friends who were into that kind of thing.)   the house was right by the bus line and fairly big for the money so i rented it despite the bathroom. i’m glad that i did. e — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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Massive agreement: pink is super.  Pink is among the superest colors in the cosmos.  Where cometz travel.  Flash!  I just saw pink go streaking by. Was that you?  I have a pair of hot flamingo plastic sandals I bought for $5 at that cheap shoestore – the kind with just a little band across the foot and no heel strap, and just a little chunk of an almost-high-heel. Whoo-ee.  And I have a pair of lavender ones, too, but the hot pinks are the ones that fly. Beauty. — To email me, remove "nospam" from my address. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we like pink. pink is fine by us. pink fridges, pink cats, pink shoes… you name it we would prolly like it. we got some pink shirts and used to have a great pair of pearly pink sandals that made us giggle. we have been fighting a one woman (or should i say a many wimmen) battle to return pink to the pantheon of acceptable colors. just cause a bunch of stoopid ppl try to foist it on grrls and make it a passive cutesy thing doesn’t mean you HAVE to accept it that way. what did pink ever do to deserve this disdain? it’s just red and white, two very basic and honest colors. pink didn’t declare itself a nonny color. ok, so when we were smaller we used to sing a song with the best friend called "pink stinks." in fact, those were the only words to it. but we never really had our heart in this and secretly harbored an affection for pink but didn’t want the friend to know we were so wussy. so in honor of the good color pink, PINK THINKS! betsy — You think you are innocent if you say, ‘I love this woman and I want to act in accordance with my love,’ but you are beginning the revolution… You will be driven back: to claim the right to a human act is to attack the forces responsible for all the misery in the world.  - Paul Nizan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The claw foot tub in the house I had when married was pink on the outside and they had painted the wainscotting (spelling) pink with blue and pink flowered wallpaper above it.  I liked the clawfoot but can’t say much for the rest of it.  It was upstairs though and too hard to move to take out to have it refinished. I’d love to have that tub now in any color. linda i had a green (light with dark trim) tiled bathroom with pink accents  once. (iirc the toilet was a color kind of between salmon and baby pink. maybe the stand sink and bathtub, too, although i don’t remember that well. ) it sounds awful but it grew on me and i ended up liking it. weird bc it was art deco and i didn’t really like that at the time, either, although i learned to appreciate that as well. the way i found out was kind of embarrassing bc i was showing a friend my awful bathroom (quite a few friends had agreed with my assessment and she told me it was a beautiful example of art deco. oooops. well, there’s no accounting for taste. or lack thereof.  ;-)   (turns out she was right, at least according to a couple of other friends who were into that kind of thing.)   the house was right by the bus line and fairly big for the money so i rented it despite the bathroom. i’m glad that i did. e

I like art deco.  And it’s in again, not that I care a whit anyway.   I like the salmon color.  sort of a pinky peachy coral.   I like color so if I rent another place ever again (which I’m sure I will) it had better not have those same old beige or off white colored walls that they all have had ever since…forever.  I don’t care if it goes with anything.  I am sick of it.  Pale green doesn’t sound bad but it reminds me of the navy.  they loved pale green or grey.   I don’t think my son would set foot in a house that had pink rooms.  *grin* So I guess that takes care of that.  But he’s no judge.  He’d just hole up in the room with his computer and never come out except for meals and when I make him take a shower.   That may change though.  His best friend is moving out here in a few weeks and I have a feeling there will be lots more reasons to go out then.  I hope so.  M’s in a wheelchair but the buses all have the hydraulic lifts and the bus stop is right by us also.  (that is important when you don’t have wheels, for sure)  He’s very social, so he won’t like staying home all the time.   funny how opposites attract like that.   linda — –~~There’s a difference between KNOWING the path…and WALKING the path~~

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The claw foot tub in the house I had when married was pink on the outside and they had painted the wainscotting (spelling) pink with blue and pink flowered wallpaper above it.  I liked the clawfoot but can’t say much for the rest of it.  It was upstairs though and too hard to move to take out to have it refinished. I’d love to have that tub now in any color.

btw, i really like claw foot tubs, too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – linda i had a green (light with dark trim) tiled bathroom with pink accents  once. (iirc the toilet was a color kind of between salmon and baby pink. maybe the stand sink and bathtub, too, although i don’t remember that well. ) it sounds awful but it grew on me and i ended up liking it. weird bc it was art deco and i didn’t really like that at the time, either, although i learned to appreciate that as well. the way i found out was kind of embarrassing bc i was showing a friend my awful bathroom (quite a few friends had agreed with my assessment and she told me it was a beautiful example of art deco. oooops. well, there’s no accounting for taste. or lack thereof.  ;-)  

btw, i was talking about my own ignorance with that remark. (turns out she was right, at least according to a couple of other friends who were into that kind of thing.)   the house was right by the bus line and fairly big for the money so i rented it despite the bathroom. i’m glad that i did. e

it was funny bc my friends who liked art deco said that they would have rented the house just for the bathroom, whereas i rented it despite the bathroom. one man’s feast, etc. I like art deco.  And it’s in again, not that I care a whit anyway.   I like the salmon color.  sort of a pinky peachy coral.  

yep. and the greens. the bathroom really was a classic example of art deco. straight lines, peachy/pink and greens, etc. good thing the owners didn’t want to remodel the bathroom. they probably wouldn’t have been able to. (not that they were likely to put that much time or effort into a rental place IAE.) it turned out that the building i worked in was art deco, too. i always like the lines of art deco architecture, esp the exteriors which tend to be cleaner and more plain than the interiors. it’s the colors, which seem garish to me, that i had to get used to.   the town i live in now incorporated solely to save its art deco theater from destruction. (the county was going to approve it so that the developer could build an office/commercial building.) it seemed like a fairly frivolous reason to incorporate to me but i guess many ppl felt strongly about the theater. I like color so if I rent another place ever again (which I’m sure I will) it had better not have those same old beige or off white colored walls that they all have had ever since…forever.  I don’t care if it goes with anything.  I am sick of it.  

maybe you can paint the walls. what color are your walls now? Pale green doesn’t sound bad but it reminds me of the navy.  they loved pale green or grey.  

yeah i can see how that would have bad associations on top of your just being tired of it. this didn’t look like the green on many places on the air force where base one of my friends or the navy base where an acquaintance lived. i’m one of those ppl who LIKE the beige walls, although i prefer eggshell.  ;)   all our walls are that color except our kitchen, which is pale blue. (it has blue tile counters so we painted it blue to cover the wallpaper with yellow flowers/green leaves that was on it when we bought it.) my kid is now painting hir room "joshua tree" or something like that. (it’s a med. dark green. kind of avocado with gray mixed in. it may be close to the guacamole color Lady described. when my kid picked it out, i thought "man, isn’t that going to be loud?" but it was hir room and sie’d put at least a couple of hours deciding on the color so i didn’t say anything. now that it’s on two walls, i like it. anyway, with my bland taste, you can imagine my first reaction to the bathroom.  but it did grow on me. I don’t think my son would set foot in a house that had pink rooms.  *grin* So I guess that takes care of that.  

lol. my kid doesn’t like pink, either. But he’s no judge.  He’d just hole up in the room with his computer and never come out except for meals and when I make him take a shower.  

too bad he’s still doing that. That may change though.  His best friend is moving out here in a few weeks and I have a feeling there will be lots more reasons to go out then.  

that sounds promising. i hope you’re right. I hope so.  M’s in a wheelchair but the buses all have the hydraulic lifts and the bus stop is right by us also.  

that’s good. did he get his van fixed? (that is important when you don’t have wheels, for sure)  

yep. He’s very social, so he won’t like staying home all the time.   funny how opposites attract like that.   linda

lol. yeah, that is odd but it seems to happen quite a bit. good talking to you. e — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:

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snip of older stuff to have it refinished. I’d love to have that tub now in any color. btw, i really like claw foot tubs, too.

yeah.  Nothing like sinking into a nice deep one.  I’m not crazy about baths because of old stuff, but those were different.   The apartments I’ve lived in since my divorce all seem to have those molded tub/shower thingies or standard tub.  both have been very low so I can’t even lie down in them.  I don’t even want to anyway. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i had a green (light with dark trim) tiled bathroom with pink accents  once. (iirc the toilet was a color kind of between salmon and baby pink. maybe the stand sink and bathtub, too, although i don’t remember that well. ) it sounds awful but it grew on me and i ended up liking it. weird bc it was art deco and i didn’t really like that at the time, either, although i learned to appreciate that as well. the way i found out was kind of embarrassing bc i was showing a friend my awful bathroom (quite a few friends had agreed with my assessment and she told me it was a beautiful example of art deco. oooops. well, there’s no accounting for taste. or lack thereof.  ;-)   btw, i was talking about my own ignorance with that remark. (turns out she was right, at least according to a couple of other friends who were into that kind of thing.)   the house was right by the bus line and fairly big for the money so i rented it despite the bathroom. i’m glad that i did. e it was funny bc my friends who liked art deco said that they would have rented the house just for the bathroom, whereas i rented it despite the bathroom. one man’s feast, etc.

)   Yeah, like me sick of the beige walls and you liking beige walls. In rentals, it’s about all you see, anymore.  at least the ones I’ve looked at. My home had wallpaper thru-out the whole thing, most of which was fairly tasteful and not gaudy. (except the [gag] bathroom)  I miss my house because it was an old "villager" style victorian with the porch on the side with the stream.  It didn’t have all the gingerbread and such but it did have the bay window and those gorgeous big windows thru the whole house.  I had sugar maples all around the house that towered over it and, in the fall, I’d have yellowish orange light coming thru those windows no matter what room you were in.  Back when I could actually focus on something for more than five minutes at a time, I used to do cross stitch by one of those windows.  It was very nice with a gentle breeze blowing sitting there making something I liked.   I like art deco.  And it’s in again, not that I care a whit anyway.   I like the salmon color.  sort of a pinky peachy coral.   yep. and the greens. the bathroom really was a classic example of art deco. straight lines, peachy/pink and greens, etc. good thing the owners didn’t want to remodel the bathroom. they probably wouldn’t have been able to. (not that they were likely to put that much time or effort into a rental place IAE.) it turned out that the building i worked in was art deco, too. i always like the lines of art deco architecture, esp the exteriors which tend to be cleaner and more plain than the interiors. it’s the colors, which seem garish to me, that i had to get used to.  

Did they always have to be garish though?   the town i live in now incorporated solely to save its art deco theater from destruction. (the county was going to approve it so that the developer could build an office/commercial building.) it seemed like a fairly frivolous reason to incorporate to me but i guess many ppl felt strongly about the theater.

The little town I lived in while in NH (where my house was) felt the same way about preserving our theatre.  It was on the second floor of the old brick building that also housed the town offices and the police dept.  New England was very good about preservation of older buildings.  Very different from NJ which could care less.  The ch*r*h(u,c) I went to for 12 years growing up was build in 1846 and they turned it into a sub shop.  still had the windows in it and all.  how tacky.   I like color so if I rent another place ever again (which I’m sure I will) it had better not have those same old beige or off white colored walls that they all have had ever since…forever.  I don’t care if it goes with anything.  I am sick of it.   maybe you can paint the walls. what color are your walls now?

They’re beige.  (the color of my computer monitor)  We can’t paint anything.   Not until we get our own place instead of a rental.  We’re hoping to move over by the coast in the fall or next spring, so maybe then.  it’s much cooler there.   Pale green doesn’t sound bad but it reminds me of the navy.  they loved pale green or grey.   yeah i can see how that would have bad associations on top of your just being tired of it. this didn’t look like the green on many places on the air force where base one of my friends or the navy base where an acquaintance lived.

normally I like green.  It’s my favorite color.  I guess I’m just burned out on it for a while. i’m one of those ppl who LIKE the beige walls, although i prefer eggshell.  ;)   all our walls are that color except our kitchen, which is pale blue. (it has blue tile counters so we painted it blue to cover the wallpaper with yellow flowers/green leaves that was on it when we bought it.) my kid is now painting hir room "joshua tree" or something like that. (it’s a med. dark green. kind of avocado with gray mixed in. it may be close to the guacamole color Lady described. when my kid picked it out, i thought "man, isn’t that going to be loud?" but it was hir room and sie’d put at least a couple of hours deciding on the color so i didn’t say anything. now that it’s on two walls, i like it.

maybe your kid has a future in interior decorating? anyway, with my bland taste, you can imagine my first reaction to the bathroom.  but it did grow on me. I don’t think my son would set foot in a house that had pink rooms.  *grin* So I guess that takes care of that.   lol. my kid doesn’t like pink, either. But he’s no judge.  He’d just hole up in the room with his computer and never come out except for meals and when I make him take a shower.   too bad he’s still doing that.

I’m hoping that will change very soon. That may change though.  His best friend is moving out here in a few weeks and I have a feeling there will be lots more reasons to go out then.   that sounds promising. i hope you’re right.

thanks.  it did help him get out more when we lived in NH. I hope so.  M’s in a wheelchair but the buses all have the hydraulic lifts and the bus stop is right by us also.   that’s good. did he get his van fixed?

M is my sons friend that is moving out here.  D is my SO with the really OLD van.  shoebox on wheels.  it’s a 1971 Ford econoline hightopper.   He just found out his VA disability was approved, so he’ll be getting a lot more money and a retro check which should get him his new engine, tranny, a G-4 dual processor Macintosh, a car for me (cheap one), iPod, a whole cr*ftsman(a) tool set and tool chest and a scooter for him to help him get around when his hip gives out. (like one of those r*scals(a) or something) If he watches it and doesn’t go too crazy with it.  I know he still needs a wiring harness for the van.  It caught on fire a few months ago while we were driving down the road.  boy, that was fun…not.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (that is important when you don’t have wheels, for sure)   yep. He’s very social, so he won’t like staying home all the time.   funny how opposites attract like that.   linda lol. yeah, that is odd but it seems to happen quite a bit. good talking to you. e

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Paul: There seem to be some "issues"  (to use the euphemisms of the day for downright sloppy products and problems foisted on the uservictim) with version 9.0 of Simply. They have some fixes and a patch that should be available soon. I have advised all of my clients to stick with version 8.5d for as long as they can. There should be no need to "upgrade" until the July 2002 payroll update. It is sad to see a great product come to this. It is no longer Simple and the quality remains to be seen. It seems the new owners are more interested in dumbing it down and loading it up to compete with "Quick" stuff and MYOB. Market share over quality and function.

| Hello all! | | My payroll setup for our company deducts the 2.2% for the employees, | then uses a multiplier of 2.2 for the company’s portion. It is, of | course, supposed to be 1.4.  The setting in the Settings Window saya | 1.4, but the program seems to be ignoring this setting, having a mind if | its own. | Hopefully, this is just me having some sort of brain seizure. Can anyone | throw any light on this? | | Thanks | | Paul King | Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. | Kingston, ON, Canada |

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Thanks, John (& Laurie!): See you there! Paul King Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. Kingston, ON – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul: Try this mostly Canadian Simply Accounting Users group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/simply-accounting Good luck, John.- Hello all! My payroll setup for our company deducts the 2.2% for the employees, then uses a multiplier of 2.2 for the company’s portion. It is, of course, supposed to be 1.4.  The setting in the Settings Window saya 1.4, but the program seems to be ignoring this setting, having a mind if its own. Hopefully, this is just me having some sort of brain seizure. Can anyone throw any light on this? Thanks Paul King Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. Kingston, ON, Canada

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Hello all! My payroll setup for our company deducts the 2.2% for the employees, then uses a multiplier of 2.2 for the company’s portion. It is, of course, supposed to be 1.4.  The setting in the Settings Window saya 1.4, but the program seems to be ignoring this setting, having a mind if its own. Hopefully, this is just me having some sort of brain seizure. Can anyone throw any light on this? Thanks Paul King Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. Kingston, ON, Canada

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Paul: Try this mostly Canadian Simply Accounting Users group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/simply-accounting Good luck, John.-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all! My payroll setup for our company deducts the 2.2% for the employees, then uses a multiplier of 2.2 for the company’s portion. It is, of course, supposed to be 1.4.  The setting in the Settings Window saya 1.4, but the program seems to be ignoring this setting, having a mind if its own. Hopefully, this is just me having some sort of brain seizure. Can anyone throw any light on this? Thanks Paul King Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. Kingston, ON, Canada

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Hi, For contact with lots of other Simply Accounting Users and Certified Consultants… why not check out the Simply Accounting Users Group. It’s FREE! Sure saved me some money rather than using the pay for info service. For more info, send a blank email to: Lorie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello all! My payroll setup for our company deducts the 2.2% for the employees, then uses a multiplier of 2.2 for the company’s portion. It is, of course, supposed to be 1.4.  The setting in the Settings Window saya 1.4, but the program seems to be ignoring this setting, having a mind if its own. Hopefully, this is just me having some sort of brain seizure. Can anyone throw any light on this? Thanks Paul King Amaranth Stoneware Ltd. Kingston, ON, Canada

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Under Corporation Tax rules certain adjustments are made to ‘accounting profits’ depending on whether cetain expenses are allowable or not.  In addition, the results of the application of some accounting principles require adjustment.  I am aware that one such adjustment is that losses on LT WIP can only be deducted upon ‘realisation’:  however, is the same true of ’stock losses’ where stocks are valued at lower of NRV and cost ?  Secondly, does this principle extend to the treatment of ‘provision for doubtful debts’ : i.e can only ‘realised’ (i.e ‘ bad’) debts be claimed as deductible expenses ? Thanks in advance g thomas

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I have never come across such a requirement that losses on WIP should be adjusted. Perhaps there is some obscure reason of which I am unaware. If an invoice is raised for less than the WIP, then that loss is automatically reflected in lower profits. Why would an adjustment be required? For example:  WIP is valued at

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My company intends to get this printer, but is not sure whether this printer works with the accounting package ACCPAC ver 6.5A DOS Version. The Printer setup menu in the Accounting Package does not have a driver for this printer. Any advice. Thanks

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You should be able to use any previous LJ driver and get good results.  For example, the LJ3 driver.  But if the model you’re talking about has duplex printing, you may not have access to it. I’ve had customers replace a couple of early model LJs with 2200s without changing the drivers.  These were using DOS setup strings, also, so I’ve not seen any problem with it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My company intends to get this printer, but is not sure whether this printer works with the accounting package ACCPAC ver 6.5A DOS Version. The Printer setup menu in the Accounting Package does not have a driver for this printer. Any advice. Thanks

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It includes indiscriminately posting to multiple newsgroups, as you just did.  For a more complete description, look here:     http://spam.abuse.net/whatisspam.html — Daniel Norton

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Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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i’m not really certain about the correct response about the swimming but i would guess that you may be correct to a degree…. what i would suggest though is that should you decide to start a crosstraining regime you should definitely get some good inner shoe supports for your feet. if you are in the US sporting goods stores like Dick’s have many styles of arch support, along with places like walmart etc where you can actually take your shoes in, insert the supports and try them out to see how they feel….i will say though that walmart may not let you do that in the store so you’d probably have to go buy some and then return them, but to me it seems like a waste of money to do it that way 9mostly since i hate returning things)…my suggestion like i said before is go to a local sporting goods store and ask them about the supports…try a few out, pick one you seem to like the most and then you could go for the less expensive brands at the other stores….that way you’ll also have more of an idea of what is out there, and what would be best for you. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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As far as I can tell, it is working for me! I try and swim between a quarter mile and a half-mile twice a week. However, I also use a ski machine once or twice a week as well. But one thing I know for sure, there is less fat on my hips I can grab onto!!! I swim at a HR of 120, once in awhile, 126. So I’m probably (accounting for the fact that HR drops in the pool) working in my 75% zone. Anything is likely to be more effective for fat loss than doing nothing <G! I’d say give it a try. Cynthia G 262/222/200 (for now) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The insulation issue refers to when you are swimming in VERY cold water, then yes, your body does try to insulate itself.  But if you are just swimming in your local pool and not sub-zero weather, then this does not apply. Swimming is a great no-impact workout, it depends how hard you push yourself. Try water aerobics. Jennifer in Vancouver 140/125.5/110 "We became homeless for a time, but it was in Canada, so I thought we’d gone camping." – Jim Carrey [seeking Bonnie Sharon Porter from Ontario born 1958] * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I have found swimming great for fat loss and toning up.Although obviously you get a much better rate of fat loss it you diet also. Not stupid diets that never work and leave you hungry, but just cutting down on sweet things and booze! But I find swimming a great way to exercise and relax.  I am currently swimming three mornings per week and I alternate the swimming with stretch exercise and sit ups at home, and gentle hill walking on weekends.  And I am really loosing the inches! Cheers   Mair * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Someone correct me if I am wrong, please… But I believe that swimming is a great exercise. The fat as an insulation thing, I guess is a misinterpretation of how your body loses or retains fat. I am expeculating here that people or you, got to this conclusion based on the fact that when you exercise, or do some work outs, like swimming, your fat seems to get colder… In a swimming pool in addition to the fact that your body is adjusting to the water temperature, there is also the fact that your body is deriving energy from fat, and when fat gives energy, it gives heat, which means, it loses heat, and when you finish working out, it is (the fat around your body)colder… colder doesn’t mean it is not being used… Just my two cents… Lourdes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Swimming is a great workout and does burns fat.  And the best part tends to be swimming can overall tone over other kinds of machines.  I loved the my back looked when I swam. Rosebud 14/12/6

my absolute favorite thing about swimming? no jarring of the joints! rosie

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hi K! i remember when COVERT BAILEY was first starting his INFOMERCIAL stuff and he made a comment (which he later retracted) that swimming was NOT aerobic and NOT fat burning! he, of course, was wrong! — "To speak ill of others is a dishonest way of praising ourselves." — W.Durant read and post, its a commitment! rosie email: remember to REMOVETHIS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Swimming is fine for fat loss.  In general the confusion re swimming and fat loss seems to stem from the stated "fact" that professional or competing swimmers tend to have higher body fat percentages than other athletes of similar age and body style. Kali Blonde, aka K in Cali : Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking : for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my : quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it : is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body : tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that : swimming is not effective for fat loss. : : Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine : or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? : : Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? : : : Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Swimming is fine for fat loss.  In general the confusion re swimming and fat loss seems to stem from the stated "fact" that professional or competing swimmers tend to have higher body fat percentages than other athletes of similar age and body style. Kali Blonde, aka K in Cali

I used to be a swimmer.  And yes you do have more fat, because if you didn’t you would sink.  The fat helps you stay on top of the water not down at the bottom.  I can tell you that it was work keeping the "fat" on.  This led me to some very bad eating habits I’m fighting right now.   Swimming is a great workout and does burns fat.  And the best part tends to be swimming can overall tone over other kinds of machines.  I loved the my back looked when I swam. Rosebud 14/12/6

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Swimming is fine for fat loss.  In general the confusion re swimming and fat loss seems to stem from the stated "fact" that professional or competing swimmers tend to have higher body fat percentages than other athletes of similar age and body style. Kali Blonde, aka K in Cali

: Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking : for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my : quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it : is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body : tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that : swimming is not effective for fat loss. : : Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine : or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? : : Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? : : : Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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You do, of course, have an excellent pair of orthotics, yes? Kali Blonde, aka K in Cali

: Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking : for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my : quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it : is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body : tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that : swimming is not effective for fat loss. : : Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine : or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? : : Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? : : : Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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i agree! fat loss from water aerobics (which are safe for us arthritics) is just one of the benefits. being limber is THE BEST benefit! — Today, i will be tolerant of myself, from that i will learn appropriate tolerance of others! http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm read and post, its a commitment! rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have found swimming great for fat loss and toning up.Although obviously you get a much better rate of fat loss it you diet also. Not stupid diets that never work and leave you hungry, but just cutting down on sweet things and booze! But I find swimming a great way to exercise and relax.  I am currently swimming three mornings per week and I alternate the swimming with stretch exercise and sit ups at home, and gentle hill walking on weekends.  And I am really loosing the inches! Cheers Mair * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss?

Swimming is a FANTASTIC way to help you with your weight loss. Anything is better than nothing, and if you are up for it…. GO!!! Keep us posted on your success!! Thom

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The thing about swimming is that you work EVERYTHING. It is excellent exercise for the cardiovascular system. Water creates resistance. IF you do it vigorously enough, you probably will lose some fat. You will probably build some muscle which is important when people are losing weight. The first thing you lose is water, then muscle, then fat. When you exercise during weight loss, as you build muscle, the body will begin to burn more fat. So implimenting some form of exercise is important. You may even want to try water aerobics which is going to be less stressful on the joints than a ‘land’ aerobics class. You also might want to try bicylcing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because my feet are flat, rigid, and borderline arthritic, I am looking for an alternative to running, walking, and fitness machines in my quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss? Are there any other newsgroups that I should consult for this issue? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I think that depends. I know I have a pretty good kick going, and frankly, it is my legs that often are the most sore after a swim workout.  I do also sidestroke and let me tell you, a scissors kick works the legs quite well… it is certainly the main propulsion for that particular stroke! YMMV. If you want to work the legs more, I believe fins can help. The thought just makes me cringe right now…. Cynthia G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Water aerobics would probably be more effective than regular swimming. Swimming is certainly far better than no exercise, but most swimming involves the arms much more than the legs, so your largest muscle groups which burn the most calories aren’t doing as much of the work. —  "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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quest to lose fat.  I am considering swimming, but I have heard that it is not an effective way to lose fat.  Some people tell me that the body tries to retain fat as insulation when one is in the water, so that swimming is not effective for fat loss. Is this true?  Is swimming as effective as a cross country ski machine or an elliptical trainer for fat loss?

Water aerobics would probably be more effective than regular swimming. Swimming is certainly far better than no exercise, but most swimming involves the arms much more than the legs, so your largest muscle groups which burn the most calories aren’t doing as much of the work. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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okay, time to put my .02 in .  I do water aerobics and believe it or not I get hot and sweaty(at least my forehead does) in the water.  I mean I know that I am doing, in comparision to regular aerobics, low impact aerobics doing water aerobics but who cares as long as it does the job.  I also do the eliptical machine two to three times a week.  I will tell you I feel better when I do the water aerobics v/s the eliptical.  I also seem to lose more weight when I do more water aerobics than eliptical.  As far as the insulation thing goes the temp in my pool at the gym is close to tepid.  I think that is why I get so hot. Sending you encouraging thoughts, Teresa 268/225/under 200 by 00

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