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I heard Teri Speak at a AHA convention where she said,"Some artists must paint, I must brew." — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teri doesn’t actually brew these days.  She is the head brewer, but it’s more of a situation of vist the various locations and do quality checks. I thought that Teri Fahrendorf  was Steelhead’s head brewer. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. message Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss. I basically will be near both Airports… Mike, pick up a Celebrator Brewspaper and see what’s nearby. I don’t really know the Southbay too well. Los Gatos Brewing has some good beer and food; a bit pricey if I recall but I enjoyed it. Will you have access to a vehicle? Can you get to SF which is about 45 minutes north? If you can, you’ll have a lot more options. If you get to SF, you’ll want to drop by Toronado http://www.toronado.com/draft.htm

I’ve been meaning to hit the Tornado for years, and even had an idea to try and make the Barleywine Festival this year.  I doubt I have the time for the SF run, but you never know…;) Plenty of good brewpubs in the city too, like 21st Ammendment, Thirsty Bear, Steelhead, Magnolia and others. And call ahead to see if you can tour Anchor. Heck, I might join you if you can make it up this way.

I have a bit of time on Monday afternoon.  The plane hits SJ a little before noon, but I have to get to Fresno in one piece by bedtime…;) Cheers, Mike

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I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

Stoddard’s Brewhouse and Eatery.  There’s two; one in Sunnyvale (15 min. drive north, depending on the traffic) and the other in Campbell (a little closer but the one in Sunnyvale gets better reviews). Cheers! http://www.stoddardsbrew.com   (nayy)

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Teri doesn’t actually brew these days.  She is the head brewer, but it’s more of a situation of vist the various locations and do quality checks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought that Teri Fahrendorf  was Steelhead’s head brewer. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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If you can make it into San Francisco while you’re in the San Jose area, try the Gordon Biersch brewery and The Thirsty Bear brewery.

I can’t agree. Gordon Biersch’s Maerzen is OK but their other beers are disappointing. Thirsty Bear I think is middling at best. With the exception of 21st Amendment, I don’t think there are any SF brewpubs worth visiting. ben

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I can’t agree. Gordon Biersch’s Maerzen is OK but their other beers are disappointing.

I was at the Gordon Beirsch in Columbus.  A big disappointment.  All the beers had a nasty dry finish. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss.

 Thirsty Bear I think is middling at best. With the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – exception of 21st Amendment, I don’t think there are any SF brewpubs worth visiting. ben

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You know you’re in for trouble with a GB beer when the descriptions for each beer note that the one they serve is a "lighter" version of the style. "Light" Bocks are not in my vocabulary. I’ll have to get a list of the breweries down your way. My parents gave me their time share condo in Coronado (a week every August). I know there is one close to Coronado and some in the Gas Light district but that’s all I know. Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that RB started letting their brewers have some freedom. That’s why the beer at the Portland sight has improved so much. I just wasn’t sure if it have trickled down to the other locations. Same ol’ song-and-dnace here at the two Rock Bottom locations here in San Diego….. Very boring and "safe" beers on tap. GB was going to put a location in Portland at the renovated and soon to be trendy Henry Weinhard’s Brewery (which is now a building of condos and artsie fartsie shops).  I think the economy scared them off. Too bad, the poor reviews that they would have received after going up against Portland beers would have scared them into producing something super or going out of business. Since the country is short of craft lager breweries, it would have been nice to seem them straighten up. I agree with the logic of this, but unfortunately, it hasn’t really woked out that way in practice (at least in the greater San Diego area). There are three really great microbreweries (Alesmith, Stone, Ballast Point), and a dozen brewpubs, so while San Diego is no-where near a Portland or Seattle (craft beer-wise), there is still enough competition to force Gordon Birsch to pay attention. But alas, the local GB produces the *exact* same four dull beers that seemingly all of the other locations do, day-in and day-out (Marzen , Pilsner, Hefe, and Bock). {shrug} Their loss. My money easily goes elsewhere. Cheers, Todd Bissell Eye Chart Brewing Company "Beers So Bitter, Your Eyes Will Cross!" http://www.eyechartbrewing.com

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I’ll have to get a list of the breweries down your way. My parents gave me their time share condo in Coronado (a week every August). I know there is one close to Coronado and some in the Gas Light district but that’s all I know.

No problem, drop me a line off-list (bis9170_at_cox_dot_net) when you’re getting ready to come down this way. If I’m in town, buy ya’ a beer too…! Cheers, Todd Bissell Eye Chart Brewing Company "Beers So Bitter, Your Eyes Will Cross!" http://www.eyechartbrewing.com

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If you can make it into San Francisco while you’re in the San Jose area, try the Gordon Biersch brewery and The Thirsty Bear brewery.

I doubt I make it to SF, not enough time…. Cheers, Mike

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Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up.

Thanks for the information and the invite, I doubt I will have time, but I’ll drop you a line, you never know…;) Cheers, Mike

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I think that RB started letting their brewers have some freedom. That’s why the beer at the Portland sight has improved so much. I just wasn’t sure if it have trickled down to the other locations.

Same ol’ song-and-dnace here at the two Rock Bottom locations here in San Diego….. Very boring and "safe" beers on tap. GB was going to put a location in Portland at the renovated and soon to be trendy Henry Weinhard’s Brewery (which is now a building of condos and artsie fartsie shops).  I think the economy scared them off. Too bad, the poor reviews that they would have received after going up against Portland beers would have scared them into producing something super or going out of business. Since the country is short of craft lager breweries, it would have been nice to seem them straighten up.

I agree with the logic of this, but unfortunately, it hasn’t really woked out that way in practice (at least in the greater San Diego area). There are three really great microbreweries (Alesmith, Stone, Ballast Point), and a dozen brewpubs, so while San Diego is no-where near a Portland or Seattle (craft beer-wise), there is still enough competition to force Gordon Birsch to pay attention. But alas, the local GB produces the *exact* same four dull beers that seemingly all of the other locations do, day-in and day-out (Marzen , Pilsner, Hefe, and Bock). {shrug} Their loss. My money easily goes elsewhere. Cheers, Todd Bissell Eye Chart Brewing Company "Beers So Bitter, Your Eyes Will Cross!" http://www.eyechartbrewing.com

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If you can make it into San Francisco while you’re in the San Jose area, try the Gordon Biersch brewery and The Thirsty Bear brewery. Thirsty Bear is pretty awesome, and the food absolutely fabulous as well! In fact I was cleaning up the living room a few hours ago and stumbled across a Thirsty Bear coaster that I hadn’t seen in a while. Gordon Biersch on the other hand I wasn’t very impressed with.  I had their beer at the airport and I guess it wasn’t bad but also wasn’t anything to wrote to mom about.

San Jose has a Gordon Biersch, as well.  I didn’t like their beer at all. Well, one was drinkable, but not memorable. Regards, Mike Sharp

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It’s been a long time, but I thought that Tied House was pretty decent.  I’m with y’all about GB, though.  Maybe I got them on their "miss" night, but it was pretty crappy.  Crowded, though, so there’s no accounting for taste. RB might be mainstream yuppie, but the beer’s drinkable…at least up here in the PNW.  Not at the top of the pile, though. Regards, Mike Sharp

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports…

Mike, pick up a Celebrator Brewspaper and see what’s nearby. I don’t really know the Southbay too well. Los Gatos Brewing has some good beer and food; a bit pricey if I recall but I enjoyed it. Will you have access to a vehicle? Can you get to SF which is about 45 minutes north? If you can, you’ll have a lot more options. If you get to SF, you’ll want to drop by Toronado http://www.toronado.com/draft.htm Plenty of good brewpubs in the city too, like 21st Ammendment, Thirsty Bear, Steelhead, Magnolia and others. And call ahead to see if you can tour Anchor. Heck, I might join you if you can make it up this way.

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I thought that Teri Fahrendorf  was Steelhead’s head brewer. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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Plenty of good brewpubs in the city too, like 21st Ammendment, Thirsty Bear, Steelhead, Magnolia and others. And call ahead to see if you can tour Anchor.

Yeah, Magnolia has some great beers, as well.  Good food, too.  Pretty "full crunch granola" atmosphere if that matters to you one way or the  other  But again that’s way up in San Fran. Didn’t see anyone else mention the Fault Line yet down San Jose way, but everyone I’ve ever sent there has thanked me for it afterwards. cheers, -Alan

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I think that RB started letting their brewers have some freedom. That’s why the beer at the Portland sight has improved so much. I just wasn’t sure if it have trickled down to the other locations. GB was going to put a location in Portland at the renovated and soon to be trendy Henry Weinhard’s Brewery (which is now a building of condos and artsie fartsie shops).  I think the economy scared them off. Too bad, the poor reviews that they would have received after going up against Portland beers would have scared them into producing something super or going out of business. Since the country is short of craft lager breweries, it would have been nice to seem them straighten up. Their garlic fries are great though. The rest of the food is good as well. Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s been a long time, but I thought that Tied House was pretty decent. I’m with y’all about GB, though.  Maybe I got them on their "miss" night, but it was pretty crappy.  Crowded, though, so there’s no accounting for taste. RB might be mainstream yuppie, but the beer’s drinkable…at least up here in the PNW.  Not at the top of the pile, though. Regards, Mike Sharp I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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Faultline Brewpub is in there somewhere.  It’s just off Great America Parkway and I think that’s still San Jose.  Or maybe it’s Santa Clara at that point.  The food is absolutely incredible, and the beers are great, too. If you are driving along Great America away from the Great America theme park towards the highway (101?), drive up over the highway and the first set of lights take a right.  That’s the first non-highway set of lights because I seem to recall the onramps there have lights, too.  Anway, at the first set there are burger joints on each corner on your right and you turn right, driving between them basically. Immediately you hit a "T" so you turn right back towards the highway.  The road veers left and then drives along parallel to the highway, then veers left again so the highway is not behind you.  On this corner on the left is a motel/hotel – fairly nice one in fact in a largish complex, but only 2 story.  Then right after that is the Faultline (on the left) cheers, -Alan

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the highway is not behind you.

"now" behind you

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If you can make it into San Francisco while you’re in the San Jose area, try the Gordon Biersch brewery and The Thirsty Bear brewery. Beer here, Mike — **Remove the obvious when replying**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss. I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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If you can make it into San Francisco while you’re in the San Jose area, try the Gordon Biersch brewery and The Thirsty Bear brewery.

Thirsty Bear is pretty awesome, and the food absolutely fabulous as well! In fact I was cleaning up the living room a few hours ago and stumbled across a Thirsty Bear coaster that I hadn’t seen in a while. Gordon Biersch on the other hand I wasn’t very impressed with.  I had their beer at the airport and I guess it wasn’t bad but also wasn’t anything to wrote to mom about. cheers, -Alan

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Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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I should  add that if the Stealhead in Palo Alto is anything like it’s brother in Eugene, it’s definitely makes the list of place to find good beer. Years ago, it was another GB or RB but I think the SH hired a head brewer that oversees all locations now. Denny or Matt, comments? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d take Bob up on that offer. There isn’t much in the SJ area. GB and RB are both yuppy eateries that sell mediocre beers at best. On the way up to Bob’s hit Pacific Coast. One of the few, if not only, extract breweries yet worthy of a visit. The service sucks and the food is ok but you’re there for the beer, right? Burp, -Dan — Replace "nospam" with msn to send me email. Downtown San Jose is about 5 minutes from the airport. Go ahead and try Tied House in San Pedro Square. The beers are good but, the food is so-so. Also real close is Gordon Biersh. I haven’t been in there in a long while but, what I remember the beer is hit and miss. I think my favorites were Export and Marzen and the latter is hit an miss. Down in Campbell which is down Highway 17 get off the exit for Pruneyard and Rock Bottom Brewery is there. Solid beers although not allot of choices but the food is pretty good. Orrrr if you have a rental car and want to venture about 35 minutes east of San Jose that’s where I live in a town named Livermore. The wife is a gourmet cook getting a catering business off the ground and I have 12 beers and 4 meads on tap e-mail me directly if you’d like to hook up. Brewer Bob I have a very hastily put together trip next week to Fresno, and then to San Jose.  Are there any places of note in the area I should try not to miss.  I basically will be near both Airports… Cheers, Mike

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And people whine when groups like the DoW use action to protect our natural species. It is surprizing since surveys show anti-environmentists are in danger of becoming extint and they are going to need all the protection they can get. moose – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sonoran Pronghorn Faces Imminent Extinction; Public Grazing, Military Activities, Drought Implicated         WASHINGTON — Interior Secretary Gale Norton has         callously ignored a court order requiring her department to         take clear steps to protect Arizona’s Sonoran pronghorn,         which biologists estimate is down to 50-80 individual animals,         from extinction, according to a motion filed today by Defenders         of Wildlife the at the U.S. District Court. The sub-species’ habitat         has been fragmented by grazing allotments, a military         bombing range, and activities by at least seven federal         agencies, leaving it unable to respond to the ongoing drought         gripping the desert region.         Trapped in fragmented habitat, the Sonoran pronghorn has         been hard hit by recent drought. Almost all of this year’s         fawns have died, according to the Arizona Fish & Wildlife         Department, along with four out of the six adults that had         been fitted with radio collars. State wildlife biologists         estimate that the population has fallen to just 50-80 animals,         from as many as 250 a few years ago.         "Deserts go through droughts. But for the Sonoran pronghorn,         this particular drought is even worse than usual because the         animal’s habitat is so badly cut up by public grazing, military         activities, and damage from ill-advised water management,"         said William Snape, vice president for law and litigation at         Defenders of Wildlife.         "While the Fish and Wildlife Service has acknowledged that         these animals are in real trouble — and that more than just         the weather is to blame — it’s tough to take them seriously         when Secretary Norton is thumbing her nose at steps the         court has ordered her to take."         In February, 2001, U.S. District Court Judge Ellen Segal         Huvelle issued a landmark ruling in a suit brought by         Defenders of Wildlife and an Arizona activist, Paul Huddy,         requiring Secretary Norton to analyze the cumulative impact         of the activities of various federal agencies — including the         Border Patrol, Bureau of Land Management, the Park         Service, and the Fish and Wildlife Service — is harming the         animal, and whether any of these activities should be         curtailed.         Defenders is asking the judge to enforce her previous court         order, and furthermore requesting the removal of cattle now         grazing on 90,000 acres of federal grazing allotments, and         that the government take down fences around the allotments         that impede the pronghorns search for water and forage.         Over a decade ago, the U.S. General Accounting Office         questioned the efficacy of this "hot desert" grazing because         of the bad economics and ecological damage wrought by         such practices.         "Further delay by Secretary Norton could doom this         magnificent species," Snape said. "It’s time for her         department’s actions to catch up to its rhetoric on the         Sonoran pronghorn."         Defenders of Wildlife is represented by Howard Crystal and         Kathy Meyer of the Washington, D.C. law firm of Meyer and         Glitzenstein.

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         WASHINGTON — Interior Secretary Gale Norton has          callously ignored a court order

Oh geeze whiz, tell us something new. Gale "Light Breeze" Norton has studiously avoided doing anything at all during her term of office, other than make excuses for her department’s failure to comply with court orders. For even more nauseating documentation of this behavior on her part, see "Light Breeze"’s contempt trial in the Indian Trust case at http://indiantrust.com , where she blatantly lied to a judge about the status of a court-ordered accounting of Indian trust funds. We knew when she took office that "Light Breeze" (she ain’t big enough to be a full-blown Gale) was no friend of the wilderness. After all, she’d made her name by representing mining interests. I think that nobody, but nobody, could have ever imagined that she’d be on trial for refusing to obey court orders though… after all, it was the Clinton Administration that was supposed to be populated by criminal Democrats, not the Bush Administration, which was supposed to be populated by upstanding law-abiding Republicans.  Whoops, did I say "law-abiding Republican"? Nevermind! We traded the Arkansas Mafia for the Texas Mafia up there in Washington D.C., but it’s still the Mafia — a bunch of crooks. — Eric Lee Green          GnuPG public key at http://badtux.org/eric/eric.gpg

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Sonoran Pronghorn Faces Imminent Extinction; Public Grazing, Military Activities, Drought Implicated          WASHINGTON — Interior Secretary Gale Norton has          callously ignored a court order requiring her department to          take clear steps to protect Arizona’s Sonoran pronghorn,          which biologists estimate is down to 50-80 individual animals,          from extinction, according to a motion filed today by Defenders          of Wildlife the at the U.S. District Court. The sub-species’ habitat          has been fragmented by grazing allotments, a military          bombing range, and activities by at least seven federal          agencies, leaving it unable to respond to the ongoing drought          gripping the desert region.          Trapped in fragmented habitat, the Sonoran pronghorn has          been hard hit by recent drought. Almost all of this year’s          fawns have died, according to the Arizona Fish & Wildlife          Department, along with four out of the six adults that had          been fitted with radio collars. State wildlife biologists          estimate that the population has fallen to just 50-80 animals,          from as many as 250 a few years ago.          "Deserts go through droughts. But for the Sonoran pronghorn,          this particular drought is even worse than usual because the          animal’s habitat is so badly cut up by public grazing, military          activities, and damage from ill-advised water management,"          said William Snape, vice president for law and litigation at          Defenders of Wildlife.          "While the Fish and Wildlife Service has acknowledged that          these animals are in real trouble — and that more than just          the weather is to blame — it’s tough to take them seriously          when Secretary Norton is thumbing her nose at steps the          court has ordered her to take."          In February, 2001, U.S. District Court Judge Ellen Segal          Huvelle issued a landmark ruling in a suit brought by          Defenders of Wildlife and an Arizona activist, Paul Huddy,          requiring Secretary Norton to analyze the cumulative impact          of the activities of various federal agencies — including the          Border Patrol, Bureau of Land Management, the Park          Service, and the Fish and Wildlife Service — is harming the          animal, and whether any of these activities should be          curtailed.          Defenders is asking the judge to enforce her previous court          order, and furthermore requesting the removal of cattle now          grazing on 90,000 acres of federal grazing allotments, and          that the government take down fences around the allotments          that impede the pronghorns search for water and forage.          Over a decade ago, the U.S. General Accounting Office          questioned the efficacy of this "hot desert" grazing because          of the bad economics and ecological damage wrought by          such practices.          "Further delay by Secretary Norton could doom this          magnificent species," Snape said. "It’s time for her          department’s actions to catch up to its rhetoric on the          Sonoran pronghorn."          Defenders of Wildlife is represented by Howard Crystal and          Kathy Meyer of the Washington, D.C. law firm of Meyer and          Glitzenstein.

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I’ve been summoned to the Federal court in Sherman (TX) for Federal jury duty.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, when I transmitt on the ham rig I know any one listening can hear me, but it is illegal to tape those conversations (federal statute). It’s my understanding it’s not illegal to tape the CW converstations. Roger, do you have a cite to that statute?  Are you thinking of the ECPA? I’m refering to the Privacy act and articles written in the official journal of The American Radio Relay League "QST" with interpetations from the FCC. As Hams we really didn’t want to fall under the act. Unfortunately some one else thought they knew what was best for us. Never trust oany one who says they are doing something for your own good. It usually cost you money, or takes away some of your freedoms to do what you were doing before they "helped".

you mean like the EAA and the FnAA are doing to help ultralighters with the new sprot thingy !!! I see now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, — Roger (K8RI EN73) WWW.RogerHalstead.com N833R, World’s Oldest Debonair? S#CD-2

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Dave, thanks for that _great_ citation!  It’s going in my permanent files. Also, I posted a letter from FCC stating that it was legal to tape Air/Ground traffic.  Here it is again: Dear Sir, Yes it is legal to tape record transmissions between aircraft and ground controllers because these are public frequencies. Thank you for contacting the FCC.

Interesting, Pro. I’m pondering the ramifications, both criminal and civil, of taping ATC/aircraft communications and making interesting bits available on a web site for instructional or perhaps just pure entertainment value. I’ve heard some pretty amazing exchanges (as I’m sure most of us have).  Does anyone know of a site with recorded ATC/aircraft exchanges available?  I know there are some sites that rebroadcast local towers and such but that is, of course, different than taping and making available. I heard this exchange flying to Miami a few weeks ago.  Tampa Approach: "Piper XYZ are you familiar with Tampa Class Bravo airspace?".  Piper XYZ: "Yes".  Tampa Approach: "WELL YOU JUST VIOLATED IT!"  I expect if I were to record such an exchange and make it available on a web site, I would beep out the call sign of the offending plane. Here (1) is the specific Title 47 USC 605 statute as it existed in 1995.  Here (2) is an amendment to the statute, the Wireless Privacy Enhancement Act of 1998.  This amendment somewhat altered the wording of Title 47 USC 605.  The following is Title 47 USC 605/a as modified by that amendment. TITLE 47.  TELEGRAPHS, TELEPHONES, AND RADIOTELEGRAPHS CHAPTER 5.  WIRE OR RADIO COMMUNICATION MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS 47 USCS Sec. 605  Unauthorized interception or publication or use of communications (a) Practices prohibited.      No person receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in transmitting any interstate or foreign communication by wire or radio shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized channels of transmission or reception, (1) to any person other than the addressee, his agent, or attorney, (2) to a person employed or authorized to forward such communication to its destination, (3) to proper accounting or distributing officers of the various communicating centers over which the communication may be passed, (4) to the master of a ship under whom he is serving, (5) in response to a subpoena issued by a court of competent jurisdiction, or (6) on demand of other lawful authority. No person not being authorized by the sender shall intentionally intercept any radio communication or divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such intercepted communication to any person. No person not being entitled thereto shall receive or assist in receiving any interstate or foreign communication by radio and use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto. No person having received any intercepted radio communication or having become acquainted with the contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such communication (or any part thereof) knowing such communication was intercepted, shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance purport, effect, or meaning of such communication (or any part thereof) or use such communication (or any information therein contained) for his own benefit or for the benefit of another not entitled thereto. Nothing in this subsection prohibits an interception or disclosure of a communication as authorized by chapter 119 of title 18, United States Code. – - – - – - – - – Of note is that before the amendment of 1998, the last line of the above section read, "This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing, or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens band radio operator."  I suppose that some or all of these exceptions are contained in chapter 119 of title 18 USC but I have yet to sift through that statute.  Here (3) is Chapter 119 of Title 18 USC. Of interest, I think, is this (4) from the Justice Department’s United States Attorneys’ Manual, which reads, in part, "The nature of radio communications is such that there is the potential for a multitude of petty 47 U.S.C.

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John, the situation here in the Hevetic Confederation (AKA Switzerland) has closely resembled your description of US conditions with one notable exception: there was no Phase 1, "Think straight, talk straight." And certainly no Marine Corps. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA — If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA  B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": nuclear Mossad Bush Legion of Doom Peking NORAD quiche munitions Clinton

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If you want to get a glimpse of audit career informaiton and the various options go to www.auditnet.org The site has resources, tools, articles, career links and much much more. The site was conceived, designed and maintained by an auditor and follows a philosophy of "Auditors Sharing Knowledge for Progress" Auditing can be an exciting and rewarding field. The AuditNet.org site is great for beginners as well as experienced audit professionals. Regards, jmk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, I’m just wondering if there’s anyone working in the auditing field? I’m interested in starting out a career in auditing but am not quite sure what will I be getting myself into. Heard that auditing is much more interesting and challenging as compared to accounting that is sorta routine work.  What do you guys reckon? Shannenry

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Shannenry, My experience/views of/on auditing in the UK matches John’s, although it doesn’t go back as far as his.  I’ve also only had second-hand info for the past 4 years, as I’m not auditing anymore (left as an unqualified supervisor). I had the misfortune to spend most of my time on regulatory audits. Our much-vaunted experience and knowledge of the business was countered by the low repeat appearances of the staff and the failure to document the systems correctly (after all, it’s not going to benefit *you* and takes time that the managers/partners are not willing to allocate).  Therefore, it was almost like a new audit every year – it’s a bit embarrassing asking the client how the business works when they’ve already explained it to previous years’ teams. Even on the few "normal" audits that I did, the scale of indifference to doing a good job was incredible.  I audited a small chamber of commerce who’s accountant mixed up accruals and prepayments.  Previous years’ audits had not bothered resolving the complete failure to present proper records.  I actually spent the time preparing a huge list of all the necessary changes to the ledgers to bring them into line in order to make future audits smoother, more efficient & cost-effective and because I couldn’t stand the though of doing a fudge.  The partner said not to bother making them make the adjustments, because if it went to court, the most our firm would get hit for was

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Everything I’ve seen price wise about ASP services says they only make sense at this time for someone with quite a few remote offices that doesn’t want to link them with expensive high-speed phone lines. For single office installs, the prices I’ve seen on ASP’s are all higher than what you could buy and operate the software for. Generally speaking the ASP’s are currently only making sense for a very limited market. http://www.s-consult.com MAS90 , MAS200 and Accounting Software Consulting Mail: wayne at s-consult_com Disclaimer: We are consultants for MAS90 accounting software so if this message is giving advice on accounting software you should naturally consider it biased and use our thoughts in conjunction with your own research.

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With support for GPA going away next year, does anyone know if there are any companies offering extended support for GPA?  We will most likely be moving to Dynamics, but with the cost, it may be kind of close to the end of support for GPA and we would like to at least have the comfort of knowing there are some people out there we could turn to for support if need be. Also, any advantages/disadvantages of going with an ASP for Dynamics versus hosting it on our own server?

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With support for GPA going away next year, does anyone know if there are any companies offering extended support for GPA?  We will most likely be moving to Dynamics, but with the cost, it may be kind of close to the end of support for GPA and we would like to at least have the comfort of knowing there are some people out there we could turn to for support if need be.

Unfortunately, most support companies will be following suit and offering more support on Dynamics and eEnterprise than GPA.  I, unfortunately, do not know of any companies off-hand that would provide the extended support you request.  I know we are only supporting Dynamics and eEnterprise as well as Solomon (All MS GP Business Solutions products).  I will however, keep a lookout for you. Also, any advantages/disadvantages of going with an ASP for Dynamics versus hosting it on our own server?

The answer to this question would actually involve more dialog than I would prefer to put on this post.  In a nutshell though, as with any ASP solution, one of the biggest advantages is cost of ownership. Essentially, the ASP would bear the cost of the system maintenance and upgrades and you merely pay a monthly fee for usage based on your requirements.  This reduction in cost of ownership may also spill over into the ability to reduce your FTE’s in the IT department since you are essentially outsourcing your accounting technology needs. One disadvantages most people perceive is security – do you feel comfortable with someone else maintaining your information on their server.  I personally don’t see any issues with that as long as you do your research on the ASP ahead of time.  Another concern I have heard voiced is the reliability and level of support you will be getting from your ASP.  Again, this can become a non issue by doing adequate research and protecting yourself and your business in any contract you sign with the ASP. There are actually a lot more items to consider, but these represent a couple of the major concerns.  Let me know if you’d like to correspond and discuss more in depth.  I will do my best to point you in the right direction. Regards, Dan

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LOL…granted, the flick has been out for awhile; I know *I* usually take awhile to get to some movies though, and there’s nothing that ruins a movie more for me than knowing a twist, an ending, or a joke. Being a big comic fan, I was pumped to see ‘Mystery Men’…became even more so when my best bud described some of the funny scenes.  Became considerably less so when I realized he had described EVERY funny scene. *sigh*.

Sorta like the trailers gave away practically everything you needed to know about Independence Day. Carl — I promise to change my sig lines as often as I change my underwear. – CASalonen

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=8^0) What happened to the caveat *SPOILER*?! <hrmph

Good Lord.  I have become that which I detest. I planned on the warning, DQ–really!  I just forgot.  Sorry. …See it anyway.  Probably the most selfless, non-indulgent performance Banderas ever gave, at least as far as I’ve seen.  He shines. And any literati will appreciate the update of the classical legend, done with guts and respect.  Not exactly the big-screen kind of epic we’ve discussed before, but definitely worth it…the only thing I didn’t like was the fact that I wasn’t in it. –Wall –W.

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=8^0) What happened to the caveat *SPOILER*?! <hrmph Good Lord.  I have become that which I detest. I planned on the warning, DQ–really!  I just forgot.  Sorry.

Oh good grief! Does this mean we’ll have to ask about each and every movie we discuss on the board, on the off chance that someone who may want to have seen has not, even two years after its release? Hope no one reveals that Rhett leaves Scarlett…oops…<g Carl — I promise to change my sig lines as often as I change my underwear. – CASalonen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – =8^0) What happened to the caveat *SPOILER*?! <hrmph Good Lord.  I have become that which I detest. I planned on the warning, DQ–really!  I just forgot.  Sorry. …See it anyway.  Probably the most selfless, non-indulgent performance Banderas ever gave, at least as far as I’ve seen.  He shines.

That’s OK Wall. It’s hard for me to *not* want to see Antonio Banderas. I rented "Never talk to Strangers" (Canadian version), …almost wore the damn tape out before I returned it. If you’ve never seen the Canadian version, …you’d never understand <g Melanie better clean up her act, cause if she doesn’t, I’ll be breathing down her back. Drama Queen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And any literati will appreciate the update of the classical legend, done with guts and respect.  Not exactly the big-screen kind of epic we’ve discussed before, but definitely worth it…the only thing I didn’t like was the fact that I wasn’t in it. –Wall –W.

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 Melanie better clean up her act, cause if she doesn’t, I’ll be breathing down her back.

I’d pay to see that. Even more to videotape it. Carl — I promise to change my sig lines as often as I change my underwear. – CASalonen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – =8^0) What happened to the caveat *SPOILER*?! <hrmph Good Lord.  I have become that which I detest. I planned on the warning, DQ–really!  I just forgot.  Sorry. Oh good grief! Does this mean we’ll have to ask about each and every movie we discuss on the board, on the off chance that someone who may want to have seen has not, even two years after its release?

LOL…granted, the flick has been out for awhile; I know *I* usually take awhile to get to some movies though, and there’s nothing that ruins a movie more for me than knowing a twist, an ending, or a joke. Being a big comic fan, I was pumped to see ‘Mystery Men’…became even more so when my best bud described some of the funny scenes.  Became considerably less so when I realized he had described EVERY funny scene. *sigh*. And believe it or not, somebody’s post here absolutely shot ‘Sixth Sense’ for me. –W.

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You should open up a bit, there, Carl…at least on "Straight Thursday", or alternate Wednesdays, or whatever it is.  It shows self- confidence.  And women love it. <g

Fair enough. When Kevin Costner asks his dad to play catch in Field of Dreams, we’re talking knee high boots around the Salonen household. For the record? I disliked the movie. That scene does touch me, tho. The very end of Defending Your Life, when Albert Brooks jumps onto Meryl Streep’s tram and starts banging on the door, screaming, "I won’t let you go, I won’t let you GO!", that’s a three-Kleenxer. I did like "DYL", because of it’s uplifting message, and because I’ve never met a Meryl Streep movie I didn’t like. When Spock dies at the end of Star Trek II, or when Kirk dies at the end of Generations…but more because it’s the loss of an old friend, a touchstone from childhood (similarly, I cried when Tom Seaver retired, and when I was invited to the ceremony where the Mets retired his number, I couldn’t get into the clubhouse for the tears.). When else…Old Yeller, I suppose. That’s always good for a cry. And I’m sure one of the spousal units would have other tales to tell. Carl — The only Bush I’ll support is the kind I can fuck. – CASalonen Before you buy.

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By the way, Wall? Tearing up during Gladiator…was that because the film was interminably bad, or do you just admire naked sweaty men? And if it’s the latter…I wanna partay with you, my man! Keep holding out (literally) for that Toaster Oven, my friend, it was niether.  I’m just not jaded enough yet to scoff at earnest, heartfelt simple emotion.  When he found his wife and kid dead, I bought it…and I become a quivering mass when he rejoins them.

That got to me too. More ammo for you:  I bawl like a schoolgirl when, at the climax of "13th Warrior", the dying Bulwyr looks at the advancing army and starts the viking funeral prayer: "Lo, there now do I see my father–" *shudder* That one gets me.

=8^0) What happened to the caveat *SPOILER*?! <hrmph This week’s ER flushed out my eyes a bit, too, when Mark told Liz about his condition. William Wallace screams "Freedom"?  An audible sob.  No lie. Surprisingly enough, when he sees his wife in the dream, catches his breath and immediately drops to his knees in supplication, that always has me pawing at fake dust in my eyes.

If you and I ever went to the movies together, we’d drown each other! The worst, though, the absolute WORST–in ‘Rocky II’, the broken-down Balboa has been at the comatose Adrian’s bedside for 3 days straight, she wakes up, and he offers to give up on his dreams if she wants him to.  She pulls him close and says, "You know what I want you to do–?" (pause) "…win.  WIN." (bells strike in the background, music swells) …and Wall begins sobbing uncontrollably.  LOUDLY.  Honestly, I try to prepare myself, I’ve seen the damn thing 67 times.  Doesn’t matter. When I try to hold it back it’s worse–a weird, loud "GUH-HUH" pops out that echoes off the walls.

<Giggle You should open up a bit, there, Carl…at least on "Straight Thursday", or alternate Wednesdays, or whatever it is.  It shows self- confidence.  And women love it. <g –Wall

That we do Wall. That we certainly do! Drama Queen

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By the way, Wall? Tearing up during Gladiator…was that because the film was interminably bad, As far as being interminably bad…*sigh*…there’s no accounting for taste.

Carl thinks everything is bad if it was made during the past 50 years.  BTW, he was irked at The Gladiator because they made a few costume mistakes…and he should know, he used to work for a real Gladiator "back in the day."   And that Russell Crowe is sure no Spencer Tracy! — Michelle "No stupid sig lines, no borrowed phrases."

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Tearing up during ‘Gladiator’, ‘Rocky’ or ‘Braveheart’ is acceptably manly. ‘The Little Drummer Boy’ is just plain embarrassing.

For me, it’s "I Yust Go Nuts at Christmas". By the way, Wall? Tearing up during Gladiator…was that because the film was interminably bad, or do you just admire naked sweaty men? And if it’s the latter…I wanna partay with you, my man! Carl <one more convert and I get that toaster oven — The only Bush I’ll support is the kind I can fuck. – CASalonen Before you buy.

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By the way, Wall? Tearing up during Gladiator…was that because the film was interminably bad, or do you just admire naked sweaty men? And if it’s the latter…I wanna partay with you, my man!

Keep holding out (literally) for that Toaster Oven, my friend, it was niether.  I’m just not jaded enough yet to scoff at earnest, heartfelt simple emotion.  When he found his wife and kid dead, I bought it…and I become a quivering mass when he rejoins them. As far as being interminably bad…*sigh*…there’s no accounting for taste. More ammo for you:  I bawl like a schoolgirl when, at the climax of "13th Warrior", the dying Bulwyr looks at the advancing army and starts the viking funeral prayer: "Lo, there now do I see my father–" *shudder* That one gets me. This week’s ER flushed out my eyes a bit, too, when Mark told Liz about his condition. William Wallace screams "Freedom"?  An audible sob.  No lie. Surprisingly enough, when he sees his wife in the dream, catches his breath and immediately drops to his knees in supplication, that always has me pawing at fake dust in my eyes. The worst, though, the absolute WORST–in ‘Rocky II’, the broken-down Balboa has been at the comatose Adrian’s bedside for 3 days straight, she wakes up, and he offers to give up on his dreams if she wants him to.  She pulls him close and says, "You know what I want you to do–?" (pause) "…win.  WIN." (bells strike in the background, music swells) …and Wall begins sobbing uncontrollably.  LOUDLY.  Honestly, I try to prepare myself, I’ve seen the damn thing 67 times.  Doesn’t matter. When I try to hold it back it’s worse–a weird, loud "GUH-HUH" pops out that echoes off the walls. You should open up a bit, there, Carl…at least on "Straight Thursday", or alternate Wednesdays, or whatever it is.  It shows self- confidence.  And women love it. <g –Wall Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just tuned in the Three Tenors Christmas on PBS – and they are performing John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s MERRY CHRISTMAS/WAR OVER… Silly as it seems, I am in tears at the moment… KellyL GOOD! <g It makes me feel more normal. I was stuck in traffic the other day, and that stupid song "Christmas Shoes" came on the radio. Did I change the channel? No, …like an idiot I sat there and listened to it, and ended up crying my eyes out. Everytime that song comes on, I’m always in the car, …and I always end up at my destination with my mascara running down my face. Drama Queen Nobody’s immune.  Explain to me why I get misty whenever I hear "pa- rump-pum-pum-pum" every Christmas. Tearing up during ‘Gladiator’, ‘Rocky’ or ‘Braveheart’ is acceptably manly. ‘The Little Drummer Boy’ is just plain embarrassing. –W.

=8^0) Bwahahahaha! Ok, ya got me there. That *is* embarassing! lol Drama Queen

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I just tuned in the Three Tenors Christmas on PBS – and they are performing John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s MERRY CHRISTMAS/WAR OVER… Silly as it seems, I am in tears at the moment… KellyL AFTRA/SAG/Actor/Singer/Director/Stage Manager, Warrior Class/Fool — "but it’slife of children living in,you know,the dark dungeons of the Internet." -dubya 10/24/00migod…

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I just tuned in the Three Tenors Christmas on PBS – and they are performing John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s MERRY CHRISTMAS/WAR OVER… Silly as it seems, I am in tears at the moment… KellyL

GOOD! <g It makes me feel more normal. I was stuck in traffic the other day, and that stupid song "Christmas Shoes" came on the radio. Did I change the channel? No, …like an idiot I sat there and listened to it, and ended up crying my eyes out. Everytime that song comes on, I’m always in the car, …and I always end up at my destination with my mascara running down my face. Drama Queen

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150 for the exam in oregon, that varies with the state.  My review course (Conviser Duffy) was $1050, but I was able to use a coupon I won through a school function and also get a student discount.  Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how much it costs to take the CPA Exam and any review courses?  Thanks Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anyone know how much it costs to take the CPA Exam and any review courses?

Well, there is talk that if the CPA exam is computerized it may cost about $500 and will be initially offered 4 times a year. — Robert J. Romano, CPA Arlington, Massachusetts (781) 648-4966 http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/rjromano

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Well, there is talk that if the CPA exam is computerized it may cost about $500 and will be initially offered 4 times a year.

The new CPA exam being proposed is an interesting exercise. Reportedly the system being developed is being tested to be an excellent predictor of who would ultimately pass the current full blown exam, but to be able to do so in a relatively short period of time.  In theory, candidates would still have to be just as prepared, but the "answer" would come much quicker (an awful lot quicker for those that aren’t at all prepared <grin). — Ed Zollars, CPA (AZ) http://www.getnet.com/~hmtzcpas

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Edward Zollars responded… Well, there is talk that if the CPA exam is computerized it may cost about $500 and will be initially offered 4 times a year. The new CPA exam being proposed is an interesting exercise. Reportedly the system being developed is being tested to be an excellent predictor of who would ultimately pass the current full blown exam, but to be able to do so in a relatively short period of time.

Has anyone here taken the new computerized GMAT as well as the old pencil-and-paper version?  How do they compare? From what I understand, the GMAT now selects questions based on how well the test-taker does on previous questions, so that scores can more accurately reflect the ability level of the person taking the exam.  I believe this structure was designed to quickly and efficiently move into the type of questions appropriate for each bracket of score levels.  I don’t know if the exam takes any less time now. A computerized CPA exam makes sense in the age of spreadsheets; when was the last time you got out a pencil and green ledger paper? Would the "no-calculator" rule still be in effect?  I liked that one; it favored test-takers who were actually good at math (a surprisingly under-rated skill among accountants, IMO).

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I am looking to upgrade our MAS90 software from an older DOS version to the current Windows version, level 3.3 or so.  I have eight (8) modules including Bill or Materials and Library Master.   Does anybody out there: 1.  Know of a MAS90 user/company who is dropping that software and maybe would sell it at a good price? 2.  Resell MAS90 software at a good price? THANKS in advance!!  PS:  I will be leaving town early June 3 and gone for 12 days.  I am hoping to make a decision before a pending price increase June 4.  Please call if you have a valuable tip…I’m leaving my toll-free number below.  Open 9 to 5 Pacific Time, or voice mail the rest of the time. Tommy Rainey Emergency Lifeline Corp (800) 826-2201 (714) 558-8940

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RAINEY – I would call SAGE at 1-800-447-5700 (which is the Business Works division) go to the operator and ask for SAGE MAS90 Sales – then ask for resellers in your area and call them.  I would also ask SAGE if what you want is even possible.  I have worked with some packages that will not allow re-registering product. DeeDee Heyne D.B.H. ENTERPRISES – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to upgrade our MAS90 software from an older DOS version to the current Windows version, level 3.3 or so.  I have eight (8) modules including Bill or Materials and Library Master. Does anybody out there: 1.  Know of a MAS90 user/company who is dropping that software and maybe would sell it at a good price? 2.  Resell MAS90 software at a good price? THANKS in advance!!  PS:  I will be leaving town early June 3 and gone for 12 days.  I am hoping to make a decision before a pending price increase June 4.  Please call if you have a valuable tip…I’m leaving my toll-free number below.  Open 9 to 5 Pacific Time, or voice mail the rest of the time. Tommy Rainey Emergency Lifeline Corp (800) 826-2201 (714) 558-8940

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Unfortunately SAGE is as bad as State of the Art:  They advocate and support those dealers charging LIST.  List price for this upgrade just isn’t in the cards, hence my post to this newsgroup.  I’m looking for a good deal and SAGE wouldn’t tell me about one if they knew it. Thanks anyway!  Tommy

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Negotiate a deal with a reseller or get a list of 5 resellers around the country.  Fax them a RFP stating that you want a cut from list of at least 10%.  You will only deal in FAX back and take no calls.  I have done this in purchasing cars and it’s a snap.  They cut the cock and bull stories and you save $. Good luck from another end user! — __Stephen Russell Memphis VFP User Group

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to upgrade our MAS90 software from an older DOS version to the current Windows version, level 3.3 or so.  I have eight (8) modules including Bill or Materials and Library Master. Does anybody out there: 1.  Know of a MAS90 user/company who is dropping that software and maybe would sell it at a good price? 2.  Resell MAS90 software at a good price? THANKS in advance!!  PS:  I will be leaving town early June 3 and gone for 12 days.  I am hoping to make a decision before a pending price increase June 4.  Please call if you have a valuable tip…I’m leaving my toll-free number below.  Open 9 to 5 Pacific Time, or voice mail the rest of the time. Tommy Rainey Emergency Lifeline Corp (800) 826-2201 (714) 558-8940

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Thanks for your suggestion.  I’ll send out some messages! In the meantime, would you have any thoughts on any other vehicle I could use to try and locate an organization DUMPING MAS90 for some other package? I know somewhere out there somebody is deciding for some reason to drop MAS90 and move to another package…..a corporate consolidation, a change of requirements, whatever….and this would free up a MAS90 license/software. Sure wish I could find that group, because their interest in setting a "good" price would probably be greater than any reseller I could find….even resellers have a COST from SAGE/State of the Art.  A company dumping MAS90 has a zero incremental cost and much more incentive to deal. Ideas anyone? Tommy Rainey

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Sage will not re-license MAS90 from one company to another. So even if you could find someone, you wouldn’t own a legal copy. If you go to the Excite, Hotbot or Infoseek search engine and search on the keyword MAS90 you’ll come up with so many resellers that you could keep busy for a week calling. Also try, http://www.mas90resellers.com or http://www.123accounting.com Sage is starting to crackdown on these types of over the Internet sales. Not because they are afraid of price competition, but because some companies have purchased the software and then called Sage thinking that Sage would help them with any problems. Dealing with a discount source of MAS90 over the Internet carries a certain amount of (manageable) risk. Wayne PS – We are not a discount source. — Schulz Consulting is an authorized consultant/reseller for the popular MAS90 accounting software. Visit us online at http://www.s-consult.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Sage will not re-license MAS90 from one company to another. So even if you could find someone, you wouldn’t own a legal copy.

WOW.   That’s good to know.  Thanks, Wayne.

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That is definitely something everyone should check no matter what the company is.  I know some will not relicense, some will for a small fee and some will for a fee that makes almost as much sense to just buy it new. Alan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sage will not re-license MAS90 from one company to another. So even if you could find someone, you wouldn’t own a legal copy. WOW.   That’s good to know.  Thanks, Wayne.

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It turns out I needed to set my Win95 ‘Regional’ Date setting to four digit years. I repeat; even though it *appeared* to be, it was NOT A Y2K BUG!!! My apologies to the newsgroup… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a small computer re-seller and would like to know if anyone has done a comparison of these two products, to help me advise clients. If you decide on SA, be sure to get 6.0D or later. I bought 6.0A, and encountered a Y2K problem. A 6.0D user reported no problem entering the same data. Randy — Remove any occurrence of the letter ‘x’ in my address to send me email.

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I recommend QuickBooks over S/A because it is easy to use, great reports and is capanle of handling small businesses to bigger ones.  It has a easy step set-up interview.  Not difficult to learn. Charles

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I am a small computer re-seller and would like to know if anyone has done a comparison of these two products, to help me advise clients.

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I am a small computer re-seller and would like to know if anyone has done a comparison of these two products, to help me advise clients.

If you decide on SA, be sure to get 6.0D or later. I bought 6.0A, and encountered a Y2K problem. A 6.0D user reported no problem entering the same data. Randy — Remove any occurrence of the letter ‘x’ in my address to send me email.

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I was under the assumption that the nature of these newsgroups were to answer questions…and direct people who need help…NOT TO SOLICITE BUSINESS.

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does anyone know what forms are needed to set up a corporation in florida? – Please e-mail me back because i will be gone for a week – thanks in advance

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Does anyone know what forms are needed to set up a corporation in Florida? Please e-mail me back because I will be gone for a week. Thanks in advance.

I emailed this reply to you & posted it for everyone. Florida Articles of Incorporation can be obtained from the Secretary of State, Tallahassee, FL 32301, 904-488-9000, or on the web (in PDF format or by mail) at http://www.dos.state.fl.us/doc/corp_form.html. The state fee is $70. A corporate kit, without a seal & preprinted stock certificates, is $21 from Office Depot. We have a statewide law firm do the Articles of Incorporation, include the $70 fee & provide a kit, custom seal & printed certificates for $98. In other words, both the law firm & our firm do this for NOTHING. They are at http://www.amerilawyer.com/products.htm, but charge $99.95 unless you go through us. We can do a federal ID number & S Corporation election, help you get started & answer 2 month’s of questions, for $150. The lawyers charge more than this for the number & S election alone, by adding $50 if Articles needlessly say "S Corp." You can incorporate through us for nothing, even if you do not use us for taxes. We can talk to you about how we can save you more than three times our fee in taxes, but that will be up to you. We also can talk about free QuickBooks seminars, installs & starter checks, plus inexpensive remote & on-site support. Both QuickBooks & I say this is the fastest & easiest way to manage your business, guaranteed.                     Mike Block, C.P.A. Tax Fighter,  954-566-7540 QuickBooks Prof.Advisor The fastest easiest way to manage your business, guaranteed!                   biz.comp.accounting co-moderator – spam free news                        NO TAX INCREASES without voter approval                    275 E Oakland Park Blvd, Ft Lauderdale FL 33334

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