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snpd Look dummy, if you could just explain where actually you get off saying my stand with Justice infinite as the Son of Man, is BS, then maybe you’ll begin to look real foolish friend, anyway, check this Johnny power out..

snpd How To Lie About Iraq http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00033.htm Pentagon Plans to Gas US Citizens http://almartinraw.com/column73.html American soldiers call for rumsfeld’s demise http://rense.com/general30/ass.htm —-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SOUNDS LIKE THE MANTRA CHANTS OF A WHEENER OR ASSHOLE TO ME… snpd Facting rights! Mr. bush shall be arrested or executed by the living brave for freedom by Justice as humanity. As for his mindless nazi slaves whores, who advocate the destruction to the rights of all because of their personal contempt for themselves as cowards to not speak out for the murder of those they know to be … as would be … themselves but better … to where would hell with them see..?          Free to be living  justly for yourself            truly as caring to know this as everything           What a horrible day as history.  We witness the likes of The  happen  to  be  "wealthy"  as  extremely disturbing american,  Bill  Hemmer or Blitzer, or CBC’s corporately managed  professional news teams, who would as they have done,  propagandize  our  communities  with  intentional deceit  to not cover, the top priority established facts on our actual murders, and happily watch US fall further robbed, as Mr.  bush Jr.  victims, while feigning a just representation  on  behalf  of  our civilization.  Look, phone  them  yourself.   These corporate cultists do not offer any counter to the facts that stand before US all, but   for  to  practice  censorship  against  Humanities interest  in  nabbing the prime 9/11 suspects.  There is no  dispute  found  with  those  who  are  aware  of the evidence that directly implicates bush Jr.  And rumsfeld for  our  murders  on  9/11.   But  Bill doesn’t want to actually work for the People to protect the interests of Americans  as  police  officers,  such as those directly involved  in  the  criminal investigations, and instead, sides  to  leave yourself in the dark on bush Jr.’s true nature,   as   the  super  evil  anti-Christ,  actively, actually,  really,  no doubt about it, trying to further destroy  the  American  dream  as  no longer Our own as equals committed to freedom through representation. Destroy bush today and be loved by all as Saviour.

Snpd Jesus! What a ranter!                      Johnny is King So, i get the feeling that you’re not a Bush supporter ? Have you seen this pic ?? http://www.mg.co.za/ContentImages/11851/US-DETAINEES-PENTAGON-19.jpg                        enjoy

Wouldn’t you just kill to face tommy franks, bush, or rumsfeld as a real man? "What was the crime of the Taliban, and their children friend?", you would ask a bush supporting dumfuk american nazi whore soldier, and he would blankly go mute, and then run away as a coward to murder the defenceless, to leave their own families unprotected to fall further as victims to the anti-Christ, Our Mr. bush Jr. All Wrapped Up CBC as managed has deliberately with intent, worked to misinform and propagandize our community on what is as, documented provable fact, regarding Mr. bush’s complicity to the murder of US as the innocent in New York City. CBC has refused to live up to our responsibility to protect our democracy, and in silence, has pirated our names to murder those understood to be innocent of the accused offence. CBC has refused to allow ourselves as the public to understand, Mr. bush forbade the FBI from pursuing bin Laden investigations, just prior to 9/11 with secret Presidential directive W199I (199I WF213589), which had John O’Neil, the anti-terrorism head for the FBI publicly protest by resigning over. This W199I directive was put into place after the administration had been warned by the BND, and several other legitimate intelligence agencies, of an impending terrorist plot involving the high-jacking of American airplanes to be used as weapons and flown into land marks. In addition to these unreported top priority political issues that stand to be true as documented factually, the bush administration had also secretly put together a sinister war strategy, that was revealed to ourselves as the public, by Canada’s own Jim Miklaszewski at MSNBC, to have existed without any doubt as Presidential Directive documents, two days prior to 9/11 at the WhiteHouse. A planned strategy to invade specifically Afghanistan, by blaming bin Laden for a crime, but providing no evidence to back up the allegations. That’s right. The super evil criminal bush dictatorship had a plan in place to not follow the actual evidence to arrest the true culprits for a crime that hadn’t even yet taken place, but that they were prepared for to close investigations on, as an opportunity to invade specifically Afghanistan, propping up the Northern Alliance who still practice the barbarity of sharia law, with the bush bonuses of selling heroin to our world, and most importantly, building a liquefied natural gas pipe line for bush and his Enron friends, to rob even more further from us all. Legitimate FBI officers unrepresented by Mueller claim General Amad was the principle terrorist funder of Muhammad Atta, responsible for a wire transfer of $100,000, who, incidentally was in unusual meetings, the General was, with the bush administration a week prior to 9/11, who also not only participated in meetings with several top officials in the Senate Intelligence Committee, but also, was reported to participate in building the war strategy of invading Afghanistan, as the reported desperate excuse offered for the General being there just prior to 9/11, and also, was personally responsible for negotiating the non-surrender of bin Laden, of which the ISI claimed, the General advised the Taliban not to do so because, no evidence would be offered, nor public trial for an offence bin claimed he played no part of. We are all in agreement, in truth we rise, evil is just the deceived disguised. Boo! The case is wrapped up, and bush and rumsfeld need to be immediately arrested for 9/11, for murdering countless thousands for stolen gain, at the losses to our humanity, that show through every putrid utterance of scum bucket bush, as contempt for our living as humanity through Law. Where a person accused of a criminal offence without any evidence is clearly innocent. For why I ask you reader, would any unjustified leader of US people blame someone for a crime who wasn’t linked to the offense, while working to close investigations, and not follow through with the ample clues to capture the true evil doers? Just how cowardly stupid can soldier families be taken without conviction as themselves worth fighting for? Justice for all, and glory be to godly. Johnny Wizard whatreallyhappened.com globalresearch.ca Rumor Mill News Reading Room Forum RITTER PUTS HOLES IN CHENEY’S ALUMINUM TUBES STORY Posted By: Rosalinda [source: CNN, Sept. 9] RITTER PUTS HOLES IN CHENEY’S `ALUMINUM TUBES’ STORY AND OTHER LEAKY EXCUSES. In an interview iwth CNN today, former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter ridiculed the latest concoctions of the Mega crowd to justify an attack on Iraq. Excerpts follow: PAULA ZAHN (CNN): I want to have, hear your reaction to the whole range of Bush Administration officials yesterday who said .. that Saddam Hussein has been trying to obtain materials to build nuclear weapons, particularly trying to buy thousands of aluminum pipes that could be used in the manufacture of a centrifuge and ultimately used to manufacture weapons. What do you make of that? RITTER: What an absurd statement. Thousands of aluminum pipes, and we’re going to go to war over thousands of aluminum pipes? Even the IISS report that you cite says that if Iraq was to have trying to do uranium enrichment, it would take them many years before they could do it. This is patently ridiculous. These are aluminum pipes coming in for civilian use. They are not being transferred to a covert nuclear processing plant or any covert nuclear activity whatsoever. But the best way to figure this out is to send the weapons inspectors in. If they, if the United States has this evidence that Iraq has these pipes, why not, heck, give me the data. I’ll come to Iraq, hunt it down and we’ll bring it to a close. That would save us going to war, killing thousands of people and destroying our reputation in the international community. We cannot go to war because Vice President Cheney’s worried about some aluminum pipes. This is ridiculous…. ZAHN: Let’s talk more about what some say is the only independent voice in this whole argument, and that is the International Institute for Strategic Studies…. In this report, it suggests … that Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months if it had foreign help. Let me read to you what the conclusion was, that, "War sanctions and inspections have reversed and retarded but not … read more »

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Mr. bush the anti-Christ, is the most vile evil thing that ever will [stuff thaat makes me look like a Republican in my support for Bush] *mheh* M.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  snpd Look dummy, if you could just explain where actually you get off saying my stand with Justice infinite as the Son of Man, is BS, then maybe you’ll begin to look real foolish friend, anyway, check this Johnny power out.. snpd How To Lie About Iraq http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00033.htm Pentagon Plans to Gas US Citizens http://almartinraw.com/column73.html American soldiers call for rumsfeld’s demise http://rense.com/general30/ass.htm Snpd Jesus! What a ranter!                      Johnny is King So, i get the feeling that you’re not a Bush supporter ? Have you seen this pic ?? http://www.mg.co.za/ContentImages/11851/US-DETAINEES-PENTAGON-19.jpg                        enjoy

                     Kill bush Now! Ask  any  public  american  bush  supporter, why do they mindlessly   as  slaves  without  thought  to  question, advocate  as terrorists, the planned for murder of those known  by  all  to  be  innocent?  As yourself, publicly accused in our names without evidence, as done so by the bushmob is still, and will be for always, the high crime of   murder   in   the   first  degree.   A  crime  well established,  as  again, I am filing as voiced publicly, against  the  perpetrator  war  criminal  bush  Jr., and rotten  rumsfeld,  as  pirates of my freedom to live for such  willingly.   I  demand  their  immediate arrest or execution  as  confessed  guilty  for 9/11.  An american soldier to not do so, is no American Patriot, but a nazi coward,  and a traitor against all the nation as America for  the People enshrined by the Constitution, as equals under God, innocent until proven otherwise. Do  you think I’m going to go silent?, while the bushmob murders  innocent  people  in  humanity’s  name to steal freedom’s  won  value?, as garnered only through Justice ever  fought  for?   Do  you  think  US for a fool maybe corporate   devolving  human haters?   Mr.   bush  and rumsfeld,  who  with  General  Ahmad,  were  the central perpetrators   of   9/11,  as  the  actual  evidence  is concretely   established  by  the  FBI  and  MSNBC  with presidential  directive  documents,  with  no contention offered  from  anyone,  for  as  vile  evil is deceived, they’ve  already  confessed  to  the  deed as guilty of, against the American people as it’s Justice system is of ourselves truly living. But  yes,  american  soldiers are too weak minded to pay attention  as even alive apparently, according to almost all   American   corporate  news  broadcasts,  as  worth consideration whatsoever.  I’d have to agree, on general terms, americans soldiers represented, are cowardly nazi dumb fuck scums.  Read posts at us.military by signed so as  bush  whores.   Barely literate, who spout endlessly about  how  good  it  feels  to  drop bombs on US as the innocent  and practically defenseless, while cowering in fear  from  those  who  suggest  their job is to protect America  as  the  equal rights through law instills, not for   the  evil,  unelected  anti-Christ,  American  cop killer,  Our  Mr.   Bush  Jr.  to steal further from the American ideal. We  witness in silence to watch their OWN protectors run away  to  be  cowards  to  drop  bombs  on  ourselves in Afghanistan,  so  the  bushmob can sell heroin and leave the  Afghans  unprotected, and so further too, rifle all our  savings  as won for already battles.  A criminal is only  to be, as known so by evidence.  Those to hide the identity  of bush’s america war reason as good cause, is a deceived nation murdering innocent people to steal our purpose as themselves, unworthy.  Like evil tommy franks the terrorist does, murdering people indiscriminately as the  unrepresented  by  corporate  outrage, to be denied justice  for yourself too american dimwit.  Or rumsfeld, who  after  implementing  the  strategy  to  murder good police officers, offered a reward to kill Omar the Just, because Omar publicly suggested arresting the terrorists by  following  the  actual  ample  evidence  as the true American  belief  system  lost  to  the evil dictates of Un-American  rumsfeld’s  illegitimacy,  unchallenged  by corporate standards.  All of America’s intellectuals are forbidden  from public acknowledgement through corporate cult  standards,  though, like Chomsky, sell millions of books  almost  yearly  to  US masses.  Fuck, I’d destroy American traitor, American cop killer bush, rumsfeld, or death  squad  leader  tommy  franks in a heart beat, how about  you  American  Patriot  Soldier?   Evidence these three  sadistic  nazi  demon  child killers demand we no longer follow, to arrest the true criminals, for 9/11 as example,   which   would   be   naturally,  the  bushmob themselves,  headed  by  the  royal  dumb fuk, america’s false  deity,  the  anti-Christ,  Our Mr.  Bush Jr., the evilest  thing  that  has  ever  existed  in  the entire history   of  humanity.   The  american  corporate  news entertainers,  do  everything  they can, to rob from the great  American  people,  their  life savings and living standards,  by  actively  working  to  watch the bushmob destroy   the   American   Constitution   through  ample corporate  media  access,  er,  coverage  to  not  be so concerned  with  those  freedom living  matters  for our entertainment   value.    Ask   a  dumb  fuk  nazi  bush supporter,  what  a  regressive  tax  is, and they’ll go mindlessly  blank, while advocating the robbery of their Own  grand  parents  with VLTs, as their very own family being  cheated,  and  mislead, which is why, they are so stuck  ignorantly  evil,  and  dumb as themselves TRULY, honest to God, whoreshiping to bush as their all knowing false  god  unthinkingly.  Americans are truly dumb son. (2%  Social Security are what Americans are getting back in   themselves   as   investment,  but  the  nazi  bush supporters  don’t  want Americans to publicly figure the simple  math,  but  instead, to get access to CNN almost daily need only advocate further shysting, as americans, on   the  whole,  are  genuinely  stupid  to  be  conned generally  as a nation that, in total, holds the highest rates of illiteracy, innumeracy, incarceration, and just overall,  dumb fuckedness.) Mr.  rumsfeld tells american nazi   soldiers   he  wishes  to  torture  and  imprison completely  innocent  individuals  as would be their own brothers  and  sisters,  as  denying  us  all  legal due process,  while  purposefully,  publicly advocating more terrorism to benefit the coffers at the Pentagon, and do American  soldiers  not  just  shoot  him, and bush dead immediately  as  war  criminal  mad  men  on  the  loose re-offending?    No.   Not  present  anywhere  as  Brave Americans  ready  for sacrifice apparently.  Too fucking stoopid  to  tink  about  duh  American  flag  as  worth protecting  as their own brethren still living.  We hear corporate  america  go  on  about how important it is to murder  established as innocent people for no reason but to  put  more  money  in  bush  and  rumsfeld’s thieving pockets,     while     managing     CNN     for     less responsibility,(Less investment for the time spent, or.. more  money  for the buck right?) all over the arguments that  terrorist  threats  exist  secretly  that  no  one actually  knows  about, while I, Johnny Wizard, tell NRA members  publicly, and American soldiers to destroy bush and  rumsfeld  immediately  to  many thousands the world over,  relying  only  on  the  facts clearly documented. Yet,  corporate  america  makes  no  mention  about  the importance of practicing the tenants of law to apprehend the  two  demon  fascists, while instead, tells US those that  hate bush with a vengeance, just live in some cave hidden  away  unknown  somewhere  secretly,  and  do  so because…  We hate freedom under bush as dictator.  Mr. Bush,  you demon nazi freedom hater, you and me, a fight to  the  end,  bare  hands,  televised, world wide, then rumsfeld,  ashcroft,  and  finally  tommy franks and his wimp  ass  slave  boys.   The  evidence for 9/11 I stand with,  is  irrespective  of  my  opinion.   The  bushmob actually  killed  Americans in New York city, and no one can actually find disagreement with the documented to be true  facts,  not  the  FBI, the CIA, the RCMP, nor, the Secret  Service.   Nor any of the many police officers I have  spoken  honestly with.  But they, as the corporate cult  cogs  down  at corporate news command, continue to lie as the American public to be drawn cowardly conning, uninterested  in arresting or immediately executing bush and  rumsfeld as mass murderers, instead, to continue to murder  and  rob  from  those  they  believe are weak as underrepresented by corporate control without themselves as  US  being.  Ever.  Bill Hemmer knows bush killed all those many, like himself in New York City, and he speaks nothing  in  his  defense as a victim to his own shallow existence,  as  nor does he speak in defense of soldiers sacrificed  to  be  as  easily  propagandized  to become traitors  to  their  own family and neighbors.  Well, I, for  one,  am  willing  to  mark  down cowardly american soldiers  for what they truly are individually, and will continue to Fight as I have, as a true American Patriot, until,  those  left  standing for Freedom, are those who uphold  the  Amercan  principles  as law in the American Constitution,  and  the  Bill  of Rights, to garner true happiness  for  the  American Nation of Human beings the Universe  over.   Think  NRA  member.  I’ll

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snpd Well, I try to encourage people to use their own ability to defend themselves from being robbed and murdered by the bushmob, but the fascist traitors in America, just laugh at their own family left to be sacrificed, while blaming me, or US, for not doing more as Jesus, so.. You’ll notice, no true Patriot, willing to discuss our political realities, find disagreement with our findings. Only those that wish to harm us as the innocent to be robbed, or left for murdered by the bushmob, spout irrationally to have themselves… What? Let’s discuss it friend. — Kill bush Now! Ask any public american bush supporter, why do they mindlessly as slaves without thought to question, advocate as terrorists, the planned for murder of those known by all to be innocent? As yourself, publicly accused in our names without evidence, as done so by the bushmob is still, and will be for always, the high crime of murder in the first degree. A crime well established, as again, I am filing as voiced publicly, against the perpetrator war criminal bush Jr., and rotten rumsfeld, as pirates of my freedom to live for such willingly. I demand their immediate arrest or execution as confessed guilty for 9/11. An american soldier to not do so, is no American Patriot, but a nazi coward, and a traitor against all the nation as America for the People enshrined by the Constitution, as equals under God, innocent until proven otherwise. Do you think I’m going to go silent?, while the bushmob murders innocent people in humanity’s name to steal freedom’s won value?, as garnered only through Justice ever fought for? Do you think US for a fool maybe corporate devolving human haters? Mr. bush and rumsfeld, who with General Ahmad, were the central perpetrators of 9/11, as the actual evidence is concretely established by the FBI and MSNBC with presidential directive documents, with no contention offered from anyone, for as vile evil is deceived, they’ve already confessed to the deed as guilty of, against the American people as it’s Justice system is of ourselves truly living. But yes, american soldiers are too weak minded to pay attention as even alive apparently, according to almost all American corporate news broadcasts, as worth consideration whatsoever. I’d have to agree, on general terms, americans soldiers represented, are cowardly nazi dumb fuck scums. Read posts at us.military by signed so as bush whores. Barely literate, who spout endlessly about how good it feels to drop bombs on US as the innocent and practically defenseless, while cowering in fear from those who suggest their job is to protect America as the equal rights through law instills, not for the evil, unelected anti-Christ, American cop killer, Our Mr. Bush Jr. to steal further from the American ideal. We witness in silence to watch their OWN protectors run away to be cowards to drop bombs on ourselves in Afghanistan, so the bushmob can sell heroin and leave the Afghans unprotected, and so further too, rifle all our savings as won for already battles. A criminal is only to be, as known so by evidence. Those to hide the identity of bush’s america war reason as good cause, is a deceived nation murdering innocent people to steal our purpose as themselves, unworthy. Like evil tommy franks the terrorist does, murdering people indiscriminately as the unrepresented by corporate outrage, to be denied justice for yourself too american dimwit. Or rumsfeld, who after implementing the strategy to murder good police officers, offered a reward to kill Omar the Just, because Omar publicly suggested arresting the terrorists by following the actual ample evidence as the true American belief system lost to the evil dictates of Un-American rumsfeld’s illegitimacy, unchallenged by corporate standards. All of America’s intellectuals are forbidden from public acknowledgement through corporate cult standards, though, like Chomsky, sell millions of books almost yearly to US masses. Fuck, I’d destroy American traitor, American cop killer bush, rumsfeld, or death squad leader tommy franks in a heart beat, how about you American Patriot Soldier? Evidence these three sadistic nazi demon child killers demand we no longer follow, to arrest the true criminals, for 9/11 as example, which would be naturally, the bushmob themselves, headed by the royal dumb fuk, america’s false deity, the anti-Christ, Our Mr. Bush Jr., the evilest thing that has ever existed in the entire history of humanity. The american corporate news entertainers, do everything they can, to rob from the great American people, their life savings and living standards, by actively working to watch the bushmob destroy the American Constitution through ample corporate media access, er, coverage to not be so concerned with those freedom living matters for our entertainment value. Ask a dumb fuk nazi bush supporter, what a regressive tax is, and they’ll go mindlessly blank, while advocating the robbery of their Own grand parents with VLTs, as their very own family being cheated, and mislead, which is why, they are so stuck ignorantly evil, and dumb as themselves TRULY, honest to God, whoreshiping to bush as their all knowing false god unthinkingly. Americans are truly dumb son. (2% Social Security are what Americans are getting back in themselves as investment, but the nazi bush supporters don’t want Americans to publicly figure the simple math, but instead, to get access to CNN almost daily need only advocate further shysting, as americans, on the whole, are genuinely stupid to be conned generally as a nation that, in total, holds the highest rates of illiteracy, innumeracy, incarceration, and just overall, dumb fuckedness.) Mr. rumsfeld tells american nazi soldiers he wishes to torture and imprison completely innocent individuals as would be their own brothers and sisters, as denying us all legal due process, while purposefully, publicly advocating more terrorism to benefit the coffers at the Pentagon, and do American soldiers not just shoot him, and bush dead immediately as war criminal mad men on the loose re-offending? No. Not present anywhere as Brave Americans ready for sacrifice apparently. Too fucking stoopid to tink about duh American flag as worth protecting as their own brethren still living. We hear corporate america go on about how important it is to murder established as innocent people for no reason but to put more money in bush and rumsfeld’s thieving pockets, while managing CNN for less responsibility,(Less investment for the time spent, or.. more money for the buck right?) all over the arguments that terrorist threats exist secretly that no one actually knows about, while I, Johnny Wizard, tell NRA members publicly, and American soldiers to destroy bush and rumsfeld immediately to many thousands the world over, relying only on the facts clearly documented. Yet, corporate america makes no mention about the importance of practicing the tenants of law to apprehend the two demon fascists, while instead, tells US those that hate bush with a vengeance, just live in some cave hidden away unknown somewhere secretly, and do so because… We hate freedom under bush as dictator. Mr. Bush, you demon nazi freedom hater, you and me, a fight to the end, bare hands, televised, world wide, then rumsfeld, ashcroft, and finally tommy franks and his wimp ass slave boys. The evidence for 9/11 I stand with, is irrespective of my opinion. The bushmob actually killed Americans in New York city, and no one can actually find disagreement with the documented to be true facts, not the FBI, the CIA, the RCMP, nor, the Secret Service. Nor any of the many police officers I have spoken honestly with. But they, as the corporate cult cogs down at corporate news command, continue to lie as the American public to be drawn cowardly conning, uninterested in arresting or immediately executing bush and rumsfeld as mass murderers, instead, to continue to murder and rob from those they believe are weak as underrepresented by corporate control without themselves as US being. Ever. Bill Hemmer knows bush killed all those many, like himself in New York City, and he speaks nothing in his defense as a victim to his own shallow existence, as nor does he speak in defense of soldiers sacrificed to be as easily propagandized to become traitors to their own family and neighbors. Well, I, for one, am willing to mark down cowardly american soldiers for what they truly are individually, and will continue to Fight as I have, as a true American Patriot, until, those left standing for Freedom, are those who uphold the Amercan principles as law in the American Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, to garner true happiness for the American Nation of Human beings the Universe over. Think NRA member. I’ll post this to practically every American military usenet group, and not one American Soldier will articulate a disagreement with our findings as documented, however, CNN will continue to broadcast, that WE, the God Loving, the Just Living, the Atheists, are a poor minority worth sacrifice in the millions for demon bush as the unheard publicly from on the importance of your Justice to be so. That they, the corporate cultists, wish YOUR unquestioning faith and dying obedience for bush to suffer and die undeserving for, is as they witness our world to be what they see to be themselves. Practicing their machinations as corporate agenda. Unthinking… Spooky. Kill bush now! Johnny Wizard — Is Enron Behind The War In Afghanistan? http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html — Look, American soldier.. You now should know, bush and rumsfeld murdered Americans in New York City, and as consequence, have no interest in acknowledging as pursued the criminal … read more »

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thing that ever will exist…  In case you weren’t aware of ourselves.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snpd Well, I try to encourage people to use their own ability to defend themselves from being robbed and murdered by the bushmob, but the fascist traitors in America, just laugh at their own family left to be sacrificed, while blaming me, or US, for not doing more as Jesus, so.. You’ll notice, no true Patriot, willing to discuss our political realities, find disagreement with our findings. Only those that wish to harm us as the innocent to be robbed, or left for murdered by the bushmob, spout irrationally to have themselves… What? Let’s discuss it friend. — Kill bush Now! Ask any public american bush supporter, why do they mindlessly as slaves without thought to question, advocate as terrorists, the planned for murder of those known by all to be innocent? As yourself, publicly accused in our names without evidence, as done so by the bushmob is still, and will be for always, the high crime of murder in the first degree. A crime well established, as again, I am filing as voiced publicly, against the perpetrator war criminal bush Jr., and rotten rumsfeld, as pirates of my freedom to live for such willingly. I demand their immediate arrest or execution as confessed guilty for 9/11. An american soldier to not do so, is no American Patriot, but a nazi coward, and a traitor against all the nation as America for the People enshrined by the Constitution, as equals under God, innocent until proven otherwise. Do you think I’m going to go silent?, while the bushmob murders innocent people in humanity’s name to steal freedom’s won value?, as garnered only through Justice ever fought for? Do you think US for a fool maybe corporate devolving human haters? Mr. bush and rumsfeld, who with General Ahmad, were the central perpetrators of 9/11, as the actual evidence is concretely established by the FBI and MSNBC with presidential directive documents, with no contention offered from anyone, for as vile evil is deceived, they’ve already confessed to the deed as guilty of, against the American people as it’s Justice system is of ourselves truly living. But yes, american soldiers are too weak minded to pay attention as even alive apparently, according to almost all American corporate news broadcasts, as worth consideration whatsoever. I’d have to agree, on general terms, americans soldiers represented, are cowardly nazi dumb fuck scums. Read posts at us.military by signed so as bush whores. Barely literate, who spout endlessly about how good it feels to drop bombs on US as the innocent and practically defenseless, while cowering in fear from those who suggest their job is to protect America as the equal rights through law instills, not for the evil, unelected anti-Christ, American cop killer, Our Mr. Bush Jr. to steal further from the American ideal. We witness in silence to watch their OWN protectors run away to be cowards to drop bombs on ourselves in Afghanistan, so the bushmob can sell heroin and leave the Afghans unprotected, and so further too, rifle all our savings as won for already battles. A criminal is only to be, as known so by evidence. Those to hide the identity of bush’s america war reason as good cause, is a deceived nation murdering innocent people to steal our purpose as themselves, unworthy. Like evil tommy franks the terrorist does, murdering people indiscriminately as the unrepresented by corporate outrage, to be denied justice for yourself too american dimwit. Or rumsfeld, who after implementing the strategy to murder good police officers, offered a reward to kill Omar the Just, because Omar publicly suggested arresting the terrorists by following the actual ample evidence as the true American belief system lost to the evil dictates of Un-American rumsfeld’s illegitimacy, unchallenged by corporate standards. All of America’s intellectuals are forbidden from public acknowledgement through corporate cult standards, though, like Chomsky, sell millions of books almost yearly to US masses. Fuck, I’d destroy American traitor, American cop killer bush, rumsfeld, or death squad leader tommy franks in a heart beat, how about you American Patriot Soldier? Evidence these three sadistic nazi demon child killers demand we no longer follow, to arrest the true criminals, for 9/11 as example, which would be naturally, the bushmob themselves, headed by the royal dumb fuk, america’s false deity, the anti-Christ, Our Mr. Bush Jr., the evilest thing that has ever existed in the entire history of humanity. The american corporate news entertainers, do everything they can, to rob from the great American people, their life savings and living standards, by actively working to watch the bushmob destroy the American Constitution through ample corporate media access, er, coverage to not be so concerned with those freedom living matters for our entertainment value. Ask a dumb fuk nazi bush supporter, what a regressive tax is, and they’ll go mindlessly blank, while advocating the robbery of their Own grand parents with VLTs, as their very own family being cheated, and mislead, which is why, they are so stuck ignorantly evil, and dumb as themselves TRULY, honest to God, whoreshiping to bush as their all knowing false god unthinkingly. Americans are truly dumb son. (2% Social Security are what Americans are getting back in themselves as investment, but the nazi bush supporters don’t want Americans to publicly figure the simple math, but instead, to get access to CNN almost daily need only advocate further shysting, as americans, on the whole, are genuinely stupid to be conned generally as a nation that, in total, holds the highest rates of illiteracy, innumeracy, incarceration, and just overall, dumb fuckedness.) Mr. rumsfeld tells american nazi soldiers he wishes to torture and imprison completely innocent individuals as would be their own brothers and sisters, as denying us all legal due process, while purposefully, publicly advocating more terrorism to benefit the coffers at the Pentagon, and do American soldiers not just shoot him, and bush dead immediately as war criminal mad men on the loose re-offending? No. Not present anywhere as Brave Americans ready for sacrifice apparently. Too fucking stoopid to tink about duh American flag as worth protecting as their own brethren still living. We hear corporate america go on about how important it is to murder established as innocent people for no reason but to put more money in bush and rumsfeld’s thieving pockets, while managing CNN for less responsibility,(Less investment for the time spent, or.. more money for the buck right?) all over the arguments that terrorist threats exist secretly that no one actually knows about, while I, Johnny Wizard, tell NRA members publicly, and American soldiers to destroy bush and rumsfeld immediately to many thousands the world over, relying only on the facts clearly documented. Yet, corporate america makes no mention about the importance of practicing the tenants of law to apprehend the two demon fascists, while instead, tells US those that hate bush with a vengeance, just live in some cave hidden away unknown somewhere secretly, and do so because… We hate freedom under bush as dictator. Mr. Bush, you demon nazi freedom hater, you and me, a fight to the end, bare hands, televised, world wide, then rumsfeld, ashcroft, and finally tommy franks and his wimp ass slave boys. The evidence for 9/11 I stand with, is irrespective of my opinion. The bushmob actually killed Americans in New York city, and no one can actually find disagreement with the documented to be true facts, not the FBI, the CIA, the RCMP, nor, the Secret Service. Nor any of the many police officers I have spoken honestly with. But they, as the corporate cult cogs down at corporate news command, continue to lie as the American public to be drawn cowardly conning, uninterested in arresting or immediately executing bush and rumsfeld as mass murderers, instead, to continue to murder and rob from those they believe are weak as underrepresented by corporate control without themselves as US being. Ever. Bill Hemmer knows bush killed all those many, like himself in New York City, and he speaks nothing in his defense as a victim to his own shallow existence, as nor does he speak in defense of soldiers sacrificed to be as easily propagandized to become traitors to their own family and neighbors. Well, I, for one, am willing to mark down cowardly american soldiers for what they truly are individually, and will continue to Fight as I have, as a true American Patriot, until, those left standing for Freedom, are those who uphold the Amercan principles as law in the American Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, to garner true happiness for the American Nation of Human beings the Universe over. Think NRA member. I’ll post this to practically every American military usenet group, and not one American Soldier will articulate a disagreement with our findings as documented, however, CNN will continue to broadcast, that WE, the God Loving, the Just Living, the Atheists, are a poor minority worth sacrifice in the millions for demon bush as the unheard publicly from on the importance of your Justice to

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 snpd Look dummy, if you could just explain where actually you get off saying my stand with Justice infinite as the Son of Man, is BS, then maybe you’ll begin to look real foolish friend, anyway, check this Johnny power out..

Defense of one’s own family, is as Natural as Nature. In the natural progression of things, rarely, if never, do other animals, with the exeption of bushmobsters, murder innocent others, for no other reason, but to make US suffer and die as robbed and murdered continually. Most suffering doesn’t have to be happening, but for our ignorance on our ability to instigate change through communicating. The main problem I feel we have as a species, is recognizing doubt is an ever present element of living, and measuring what we can understand to be true irrespective of opinion, as it relates to the function of indivisable Justice, in America, is not understood well as they blindly steal from themselves unrepresented politically under criminal dictatorship. And, strangely to most I would suppose, I never the less, truly exist to speak my mind as a god, the Son of Man if you will, an equal among all to know so. — From below: In It for US "Your either with US as equals under a rule of law as Universal Justice, or your a mindless slave whore Sacrificing your soul for bush, the anti-Christ, who will as he continues, stealing and murdering from our families without any good reason, or provocations as evil incarnate he is to US all." (Just another of those Youisms from Johnny, the Lord.) Then, a little later, some scribbles on the nazi terrorist Jew hater, that super evil mass murdering lifeless lump of waste byproduct, the leach whom we all know so well truly as a parasite of life’s will to steal ourselves from God as plundered, the stenching, blood soaked monster, henry kissing.. er.. ariel sharon: "How can killing, torturing, and [then] destroying the homes of [US] innocent civilians be considered anything but, terrorism?" Hey, what do you say in stopping them hurting US, by destroying them both American Patriot?, as we now let ourselves sort it out in the here after? Eh? Wake up friend… Then even further, don’t miss, the highly anticipated, "Corporate Street Gangs – Monsanto" that lists the ACTUAL individual people never mentioned by CNN, who perpetrate those hanious crimes against the American Public, and who have so far, escaped incarceration as multi-millionaire corporate successes. Again, none of any words world wide bare contention against the facts we’ve brought to our attention. The traitors to America, Our Mr. bush Jr. and rotten rumsfeld don’t mention the willingness of American Soldiers to apprehend general Ahmad as the principle terrorist funder of Atta, because this general is also responsible for developing the bushmob strategy of killing Americans in New York City from Washington. A strategy of blaming bin Laden without any evidence to bomb Afghanistan for Enron. (The Dahbol Working Group.) Then closing criminal investigations, as it’s not important to know who personally was responsible for the insider trades, or the contacting of only Odigo. Never mentioned by CNN as top priority to American soldier concerns, who are expected by Blitzer and Hemmer to throw away their lives in sacrifice unthinking to bush, america’s false deity, super evil anti-Christ.  While bush and cheney threaten to murder more dumb Americans who would dare to articulate the demand for Justice as our own, like Laden has, while demanding American Patriots cower in fear of the sadistic savage mass murdering death squad leader, tommy franks, or the anti-Christ going out to kill their family too as not represented by corporate policy, while American soldier families are continually disrespected as unworthy. (Generally, they are pretty damn stoopid, but certainly, if they’re not knowingly committing first degree murders for the anti-Christ as pure nazi filth, they should be allowed to learn, instead of having their own undefended families robbed then slaughtered for American traitor, nazi puke terrorist, tommy franks, or for Monsanto’s rotten rumsfeld.  Do you notice corporate America continues to show outdated footage of those two demons standing near smiling armed American soldiers, who as a mass of dumfuks, aren’t intelligent enough to destroy them instantly as established ememies of America as terrorists?  Well, that is going to change.  I have yet to find ANY American Soldier who is literate, who disagrees WE have some very important questions that need immediate answers before the bushmob murders more Americans in Our name.  See for yourself through Google if you don’t believe in Christ as the Redeemer. As for the doubting American Soldier, LOOK, CNN will continue as cult members in their dying madness of just even lamer excuses, to convince US, we are alone in our concerns for Freedom as Justice instills for US all. This moment of History requires you to stand strong for only yourself to be represented truly among the stars. Evil stupid people can’t make heads or tails of this, but, as evil bush does truly from his dark shallow existence, will continue by open piracy, to publicly advocate in Our names the further robbing and murder of your own family American Patriot, so too, will more american nazi dumfuks die to the tune of their own cowardice to protect themselves as garnered fairly. This is why rotten rumsfeld forbids the death tally of American soldiers to be made public to the ready for enlistment as the too dumb to know better.  Life is life, and sorry to say american dumfuks, Christ on the cross is you too as a true dying American Patriot, and your already politically sitting in the bush slave whore position of hatred and injustice against Humanity and myself honestly as..  THE SON OF MAN!  (The for real, no illusion, god of God’s life/death trade barter, with a score to settle on behalf of the infinite Universe and True brave Soldiers everywhere.  KILL AMERICAN COP KILLER BUSH NOW BEFORE HE MURDERS MORE LIKE OURSELVES IN OUR NAME AS THE INNOCENT COWARDS!) THINK, if I fly down there to Washington as a simple man, and destroy the cop killing demon monsters bush, rumsfeld, cheney, and franks with my bare hands in love as the timid Jesus of folklore, while salivating, how is that going to look to the perishioners, who, God love’em, just wouldn’t understand the finer art of akeido, huh? CNN is not interested in working for American interests by asking why, as there is little of any money in just doing good for your neighbor, like saving a living, as we would wish to be helped for ourselves, if we were bound just the same to be equals at being.  Mr.  Blitzer and Bill Hemmer, as americans, wouldn’t give a dollar of your time, to speak on human rights to be of their own concern, (they’re already rich by theft without talent as dying our death by murder as not spoken for really. Just like how they refuse to report on the blatant criminal lottery operations that steal from EVERYONE.) or to save the life of an innocent poor victim, if it meant they would therefor, be compelled to honestly report on their false deity bush, corporate america’s super evil criminal to ourselves as Humanity, the unelected dictator, American cop killing anti-Christ in person!, that they so leave to see Americans sacrificed as ignored to be robbed from, as their profit margin increases, from their, holyier than thou pulpits, leaving You all to get robbed and murdered by dumb nazi scum like reject tommy franks, the terrorizing death squad leader, woman and child killer.  We’re sure CNN, as others would say, as they do regarding sharon’s murder rampages against the innocent as God, nothing. Do less for America, The dying from stupidity People, and get payed more in collateral damages paid for by doubting Patriots, now mostly too slow to stand for the American flag in protection for their own living as lost to the wind without freedom to guide their own convictions.  Mr.  bush, tommy, rumsfeld, cheney and blair give no evidence to back an american soldier’s reason, but for to show themselves as the criminals who openly harbor terrorist activity against our communities, and WE, as Humanity, according to CNN, are expected to go out and kill our family and friends in cowardice, instead of standing up to destroy the evil demon bush instead, to save our own selves as worth consideration. God, or no God, I hate that murderer bush as much as any real man would to care for his own life as family. Johnny Wizard — HTTX 2.0b Title: Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq Published on Saturday, November 30, 2002 by CommonDreams.org Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq by Heather Wokusch D-Day of December 8th quietly approaches – the day Iraq must provide the UN Security Council with a complete accounting of its weapons programs, plus its civilian chemical/biological/nuclear production and research activities. Even though UN weapons inspectors have criticized the December 8th deadline as unrealizable, the consequences for missing it will be catastrophic: Iraq will be in "material breach" of UN resolution 1441, and therefore subject to swift and decisive military action. But at this point, UN 1441 seems little more than a whitewash pretext for a US-led attack on Iraq. With US warplanes patrolling Iraq’s no-fly zone, bombing raids against Iraq ongoing, multiple aircraft carriers on alert and … read more »

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Hi – Watch for it… We’ll be putting up a Veritas box – same functionality (maybe not as pretty), but will be 1/2 the price… Cheers, Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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Hi – Watch for it… We’ll be putting up a Veritas box – same functionality (maybe not as pretty), but will be 1/2 the price… Cheers, Rob

Rob, If it’s not $56 then its obviously inferior to the LN. Sorry, but I’ll have to put your catalog away and hope for another box to appear on e-bay. <G Dean

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"Nuno Souto"  wrote … Fortunately I get all my L-N planes (boxes and instructions included) for free.  I have more money to spend on beer can shims that way.  ;0) that has to qualify as a drive-by gloat if I ever saw one! How the heck do you manage that?

I lead a charmed life I guess.   ;0) — Cheers, Howard Visit me in the woodshop – www.inthewoodshop.org

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Hi – Watch for it… We’ll be putting up a Veritas box – same functionality (maybe not as pretty), but will be 1/2 the price…

   Let me know if you need someone to test the prototype for you.       Chuck Vance

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Maybe the box is made of ductile iron??? And is dead square on all 6 sides and flat to within .001"??? Comes with a nice cherry tote and knob??? Layne

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Who the hell would pay money for an empty box? I bet LN would be happy to ship you an empty box for much less than $56.

But would it be a vintage box?  ;-) Some people collect planes.  Some people will pay more if the plane is in its original box.  Sounds like there are also people who collect boxes (or can’t be bothered to read the entire Ebay posts).  There is money to be made by those of us who only want the plane.  That is unless you care about your grandson being able to sell your old LN planes with the boxes on Ebay.  They’ll be worth a lot more with their original boxes.   But then what can you say about a relative who would sell your old planes? — to email me use: mclainusenet AT comcast DOT net

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Maybe they want it on a shelf so that people think the plane on the bench is a L-N, not a Buck Brothers! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is amazing is that if you click on "Bid History," you’ll find that there were three people who bid on an empty box, and a fourth who bid up to $75.00 before retracting his bid… Karl in IL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101016332 Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101016332 CB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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There is no accounting for taste! Maybe there is a fine wood box inside, , , — SwampBug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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"Lorna & Chris"  wrote … http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101016332 Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

No, it appears to be a box for sale that some schmuck bought for $56, plus shipping. I guess some people will do anything to get next to a Lie Nielsen product. Fortunately I get all my L-N planes (boxes and instructions included) for free.  I have more money to spend on beer can shims that way.  ;0) — Cheers, Howard Visit me in the woodshop – www.inthewoodshop.org

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What is amazing is that if you click on "Bid History," you’ll find that there were three people who bid on an empty box, and a fourth who bid up to $75.00 before retracting his bid… Karl in IL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101016332

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All I can say is GOOD GOD that hook going to leave a scar .  But at least there good chance they will buy my big red bridge that crosses the bay Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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….sound of me digging through my closet to find my LN boxes…. Who the hell would pay money for an empty box? I bet LN would be happy to ship you an empty box for much less than $56. –Neil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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says… Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box. Am I missing something here?

  Yeah, the link!  :-)

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says… Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box. Am I missing something here?   Yeah, the link!  :-)

The link will cost you another $10!!!  ;)

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(and I quote): I guess some people will do anything to get next to a Lie Nielsen product. Fortunately I get all my L-N planes (boxes and instructions included) for free.  I have more money to spend on beer can shims that way.  ;0)

that has to qualify as a drive-by gloat if I ever saw one! How the heck do you manage that? — Cheers Nuno Souto

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Just found mine.  $25 and I’ll pay the shipping! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is amazing is that if you click on "Bid History," you’ll find that there were three people who bid on an empty box, and a fourth who bid up to $75.00 before retracting his bid… Karl in IL http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2101016332 Check out this link..This guy paid 56.00 for cardboard box.Am I missing something here?

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YES-GO FOR IT! And promise yourself not to ever look back-either way or you’ll end up counting dreams vs. sheep.  I could tell ya a million and one things about this but I’ll spare you the storys. There is one important thing though that , either way, will make or break you in Life I have found. That is to not make Music, or anything here, a means to an end, for if you reach that goal then your vision has ended and Life, or music , becomes stagnant to ya. Yes, have goals that are rational and map them but most importantly you must choose with your heart and a true Love for Music to go ahead and not for a means to an end here as for going for sucess or money, etc…Should these things come, then let them come naturally along with the flow and keep going on from there with the Love for your music always first, [in this regard] and know what really matters in this world- and what lives on and what doesn’t. That only you can decide and know in the soul of your Heart. Good Luck, TOMMY..  .. — May Your LORD Bless You & Keep You

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I would like to thank those who have been so positive. I’ve had opportunities over the years. I always had other priorities that I deemed more important at the times. At this point in my life I have no house note, no car note, no credit card debt, a place to call home, and no children. I’ve done all the things that were more important to me than music. I have unfinished business with the muse, and now is the time to address it. I’d like to provide some specific information for those who may be inclined to consider a full-time music thing. The record pres. was interested in three things, with regard to the music. That is according to his attention paid and responses. Listed in order of importance: 1. voice 2. songwriting 3. guitar I informed him I was writing the second album and wanted it in my hip pocket before I began. He let me know that was all well and good, but to concentrate on the first and count on a year to promote/sell. Prior to meeting with this fellow, I had an opportunity provided by a recording studio owner to another company. I did not feel comfortable with that company. However, the emphasis on singing and songwriting was also to the fore. I share these things for a reason. At this stage of the game, time is shorter for me than some. There are folks, young and not so young, who might be inclined to consider music full-time, but have, for whatever reasons, convinced themselves that they can’t. There are rumblings in the music biz as of late. The large contracts have yielded less than some execs. had hoped for. There is a new model coming into thought, which is really an old model. Lighter contracts. More acts. A revolving door. Such a model provides access by more people. It also means such people should hold on to monies made, because nothing lasts forever, and this is especially true in such a pattern. Someone who is/has the triple threat, a good voice, good songwriting, good instrument skills, is appealing to more companies at this time. I hope for all guitar players, that the, "new model," takes hold and yields many opportunities. My best to all who wished me their best. Signing off to go get the job done.

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If this this guys over 35 he’s going to end up homeless on the street with no HMO. Records company’s will not hire no unknown artist over 35. well as respect. I did what all I wanted to do and tossed in the towel long ago…… never looked back.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are a brave SOB to risk what you have for something that may be successful, especially in that cut-throat business.   I passed on my chance to you.  If anything, the experience will provide some good material for your future songs.   Don’t trust anybody, especially the accountants, and always watch your back.   Even if you have a ‘manager’, be one step ahead of him and know what he knows before he does.  You can’t trust anybody, I can’t emphasize that enough. Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing.

Best of luck! Give it all you got and more.

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Dont quit the day job, you need it to hire entertainment lawyer to watch over your ass. Record company’s are pimps and landsharkes. then come see him. To be a touring act.

If your over 35 and unknown…..slim chance I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs.

You need more like 30 + Your "connection" is BS’ng you I dont want to be mean, just telling you ! No more future in music these days, dont end up poor with no HMO. my .02 -Joe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Gods speed and good luck to ya.  It will happen if you really want it to. Jack

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Decided I’d share.

etc… DOOD! ROCK N’ ROLL! ROCK N’ ROLLLLL!!!! ROCK N’ LUX

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Man, if I had half of your guts I would be happy.  Go for it and don’t look back.  I was always told that the same dream was merely a pipe dream.  Go for it and don’t look back- I didn’t do it- I thought that I had failed the first time it didn’t work out and I listened to those who told me I was dreaming- I was too young and stupid to try again and I will regret it for the rest of my life.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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You will be living a dream I can only dream about.  Go for it with everything you have, and you will make it!  I wish you much success.  That is a huge step, but one which you won’t  know without trying.  Worst case, you can always get anther day job.  Best case, well I’m sure you already know that. Give ‘em hell!!! <Mike

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You are a brave SOB to risk what you have for something that may be successful, especially in that cut-throat business.   I passed on my chance you.  If anything, the experience will provide some good material for your future songs.   Don’t trust anybody, especially the accountants, and always watch your back.   Even if you have a ‘manager’, be one step ahead of him and know what he knows before he does.  You can’t trust anybody, I can’t emphasize that enough.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Good for you. Best of luck. Don’t give up and keep smiling. We’re all 100 per cent behind you. Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well. I lagged and dragged. I spent my days off from the regular job (which of course, is hellish) recuperating. The insipration to do go the distance was always muted. I’ve worked up to about 8 finished songs. I woke up this morning. Prayed. Visions. Time to quit the day job, use the inspiration given today to finish up the first cd, and get the show on the road. Some here have dreams of a musical career. Some have the talent. Life is short. The time for society and civilization as we know it is short also. Priorities and things truly important are more than ever something that can be ignored at one’s peril. Everybody dies anyway, and the fear of death, which is the ultimate occurrence of this life anyway, keeps so many in misery, doing miserable things. After all, if you don’t do that lousy job that keeps you depressed and frustrated, your money will be cut off, and you know you’ll die without that in this artificially created societal construct. Funny thing is, I peeked. Life ends badly anyway. With music, there comes a time to shit or get off the pot. Awwww…. feel better already. Lighter, brighter, ready to record my ass off, with a big old smile, just like a kid who doesn’t know any better or care. Thanks for your time.

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Decided I’d share. Some months ago, I took a couple of demo songs to a record company president. Halfway through the second, he told me to do the master, then come see him. To be a touring act. That I’d have to quit the day job to devote 100% to the thing. Well.

I applaud your decision. Even if you dont "succeed"…. ie, get your stuff played next to limp biskit on MTV, you have succeeded because you will have become a better person for trying. The tediums that await you in a menial day job will always be there. This opportunity wont.  When I was younger I wanted to do this same thing and due to a few monumentally bad decisions, habits etc. I never got to fullfil what I started. There will never be closure to that part of my life. I always regret not doing things the right way. Just Do it !! Good Luck !

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"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message

news:3aaf4174.3170877@news.2000cn.com.au… > I know, I know. But when  company insists that the CAD op has > experience with a particular version and refuses to give them the > contract if they don’t, it’s kind of difficult not getting dragged > into that yearly upgrade.

scuse me for not getting back to you quickly.. I’m behind and I’m playing a game of catchup  <grin> must be the new green catchup Backward compatability should be an essential requirement for those who can’t update as quickly as the company wishes you to.. sometimes I think it’s part of some kind of pilot study.. and you don’t know how many bugs or holes their fixing without a update sent to you in seperate software.. for that price  .. it should come with 2 years of upgrades or something.. Your right, alot of the accounting programs especially and it’s what alot of people do from home, I have and one lady friend of mine that’s a single mom is now too.. doing book keeping, taxes and balancing accounts and payroll for businesses remotely.. can’t work on the files of multiple companies unless everyone has the same version.. other wise.. like even Quickbooks or um.. I think Peachtree too.. been awhile since I kept up to that one.. it changes the file’s version and you can’t take it back to a customer with a version lower than yours.. and the same thing is you can’t do their book is your program’s not current, nice thing is.. they finally started using the ability to remote access via host or via internet a over a year ago..  anyway.. I’m rambling.. she can’t afford the updates like they demand, she’s a widow and has children to support and someone scammed her in an investiment of the insurance money, she got whiped out financially, can’t fight either when theirs no money, lawyers aren’t cheep > I agree to a point with your remarks about the cost of the CD’s. The > only problem is that neither the retailers or the record companies are > ever going to give up their slice of what they get from sales, that > pretty much leaves the musicians to lose out. Although a few bands > make millions off record sales and royalties, I bet making ends meet > is a real struggle for the majority.

Then it’s time to flip them tables.. the stories I’ve seen lately about the musician’s that got broken or couldn’t put out the music people wanted and needed to hear for simple hope, and possitive, and energy got killed by the big companies that didn’t care about the little guys.. after all.. musicians are not just talented dreamers their entrepreneurs who have succeeded. The labels get off scott free and the individual musician’s take the public eye, the pressure and the upheaval of their privacy for the rest of their lives.. same as the Movie Stars.. when they slot and peg ya.. it’s a hard public eye breakout.. from child stars like the Brady Bunch to the little boy who played in Lassie, to um.. who has to fight so hard to go from Actor to directing the Grinch who used to be in Happy Days.. to Shirly Temple Black .. to "yes" people.. Britney Spears.. she’s not a child, she’s a woman now.. They peg people.. the public demands they fit the mold.. the media supported "no change" .. has to be hard to fight to change "the Mass" opinion.. >I used to have a housemate who > passionately argued that musicians should do what they do for free, so > that music would be free. I think he completely missed the point.

Ask someone like that is they have even a clue what it took to get them there.. and entrepreneur works hard to achieve.. no one works for free Even in the beginning phase.. in the lounges.. they get paid by the bar to be there to entertain us.. > Besides, if musicians didn’t earn what they do from sales etc then > they’d have to get jobs to pay bills etc, which would leave less time > for making the music that the housemate was so passionate about. I > think I’ve gone completely off track here… what were we talking > about?

Made alot of sense Willow.. your pretty intellegent.. you saw the whole picture.. and look how many new groups Napster grew.. simply sharing the music.. amazing.. isn’t it They’d never have been found by the world unless they uploaded a file.. and someone said.. Wow.. their good The labels should be paying Napster.. he’s helping them discover talent they can make money off of actually. When I saw they demanded he pay them.. and I realized the radio stations pay too.. they should all counter sue for a cut of the revenue only they make from new musicians they signed from a download off off his program just for  the emotional anguish their putting him through in free marketing and publicity of this power play over a fellow entrepreneur with vision… he’s just smarter than them.. he recognized the future while they were stuck in "their concept" > Sometimes when I follow my thoughts I get lost.

Must be why I love ya.. my thoughts are allways rambling and lost.. and I type from the flow of thought.. doesn’t everybody? <grin> goodmorningeveningnight Willow.. giggle Pamela

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I know, I know. But when  company insists that the CAD op has experience with a particular version and refuses to give them the contract if they don’t, it’s kind of difficult not getting dragged into that yearly upgrade. I agree to a point with your remarks about the cost of the CD’s. The only problem is that neither the retailers or the record companies are ever going to give up their slice of what they get from sales, that pretty much leaves the musicians to lose out. Although a few bands make millions off record sales and royalties, I bet making ends meet is a real struggle for the majority. I used to have a housemate who passionately argued that musicians should do what they do for free, so that music would be free. I think he completely missed the point. Besides, if musicians didn’t earn what they do from sales etc then they’d have to get jobs to pay bills etc, which would leave less time for making the music that the housemate was so passionate about. I think I’ve gone completely off track here… what were we talking about? Sometimes when I follow my thoughts I get lost. On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:47:00 -0500, "Unicorn" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Hiya.. I’m betwix jobs.. but.. I might take you up on the AutoCAD >help.. >and though the new versions are expensive Willow, it’s the people’s >choice to upgrade.. and it took a team to write the program as well as >many are for businesses to grow in many ways.. so I won’t complain too >much.. the prices drop after the next version comes out to move the >stock.. >I’ll still complain about the cost of Music though, nothing ever drops >in price.. and the production is cheaper now, and the labels retain >the revenue even after the musician isn’t producing, who gets the >revenue for the Beatles produced over and over again? And.. if the >chunk is not as big and the music’s forever hot.. why don’t the >earlier CD’s cost less, or the reproductions? Like.. music’s solid.. >if it’s good, it will be around for generations and generations.. and >generations .. and keep adding to that thought.. why doesn’t it get >less costly like everything else that’s upgraded or sold in high >volume. so to say? >hey.. I know what happened to me.. with only one phone company.. you >can’t fight them.. you can’t, they suck your blood out.. and you can’t >trust a thing they promise.. even in an iron clad contract.. now their >gonna own the whole digital network if their not broken.. and the >small telephone companies are dying and can’t grow the digital >network.. >Pamela >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >news:3aae2da1.12958891@news.2000cn.com.au… >> ok well I hope you have a fantastic day and that you’re able to sort >> your frustrations out. Don’t give up on those progams you need to >> learn. Computer programs are written by sadists, I’m sure of it. I >> still can’t understand how software companies could possibly get >away >> with selling programs which they know has bugs in it. Especially >when >> the software costs $8000!! Unbelievable. >> Let me know if I can help you at all with AutoCAD. I’m no expert on >> the program, but if I don’t know the answer I’m sure I could find it >> That’s how I’ve learnt most of what I do know, by helping other >> people when they come to me mistakenly thinking that I’m an expert >:)) >> Still, it’s a good way of learning things, most of which I’ve since >> forgotten because I had no use for them. *sigh* oh well. >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:24:07 -0500, "Unicorn" >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >giggle… I loved that.. mega lots.. *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* >> >and.. no,  I still need to learn more about it for them, my >absorsion >> >seems to be on a delay these days, maybe I’ll draw my dream house >> >someday.. if I can get that techy… I’ve got to many to learn >right >> >now to support some others.. it’s this silly school software >program >> >that’s irritating me the most.. it’s basic.. but their are things.. >I >> >just don’t like and it’s been around a long time too.. needs more >> >money invested in perfecting alot of things.. I have to network >them >> >first though.. >> >and.. I’m off to a late start.. I have to get out of here soon.. >> >Pamela >> >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >> >news:3aae286b.11624861@news.2000cn.com.au… >> >> Good evening! *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* >> >> What are your plans for today? What’s happening at work? Are you >an >> >> Autocad expert yet? I bet you could teach me a few things! >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:48 -0500, "Unicorn" >> >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. >> >giggle >> >> >morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. >> >> >Pamela >> >> >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >> >> >news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… >> >> >> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" >> >> >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >from time to time… >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >> >Pamela

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Hiya.. I’m betwix jobs.. but.. I might take you up on the AutoCAD help.. and though the new versions are expensive Willow, it’s the people’s choice to upgrade.. and it took a team to write the program as well as many are for businesses to grow in many ways.. so I won’t complain too much.. the prices drop after the next version comes out to move the stock.. I’ll still complain about the cost of Music though, nothing ever drops in price.. and the production is cheaper now, and the labels retain the revenue even after the musician isn’t producing, who gets the revenue for the Beatles produced over and over again? And.. if the chunk is not as big and the music’s forever hot.. why don’t the earlier CD’s cost less, or the reproductions? Like.. music’s solid.. if it’s good, it will be around for generations and generations.. and generations .. and keep adding to that thought.. why doesn’t it get less costly like everything else that’s upgraded or sold in high volume. so to say? hey.. I know what happened to me.. with only one phone company.. you can’t fight them.. you can’t, they suck your blood out.. and you can’t trust a thing they promise.. even in an iron clad contract.. now their gonna own the whole digital network if their not broken.. and the small telephone companies are dying and can’t grow the digital network.. Pamela "Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message

news:3aae2da1.12958891@news.2000cn.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ok well I hope you have a fantastic day and that you’re able to sort > your frustrations out. Don’t give up on those progams you need to > learn. Computer programs are written by sadists, I’m sure of it. I > still can’t understand how software companies could possibly get away > with selling programs which they know has bugs in it. Especially when > the software costs $8000!! Unbelievable. > Let me know if I can help you at all with AutoCAD. I’m no expert on > the program, but if I don’t know the answer I’m sure I could find it > That’s how I’ve learnt most of what I do know, by helping other > people when they come to me mistakenly thinking that I’m an expert ) > Still, it’s a good way of learning things, most of which I’ve since > forgotten because I had no use for them. *sigh* oh well. > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:24:07 -0500, "Unicorn" > <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >giggle… I loved that.. mega lots.. *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* > >and.. no,  I still need to learn more about it for them, my absorsion > >seems to be on a delay these days, maybe I’ll draw my dream house > >someday.. if I can get that techy… I’ve got to many to learn right > >now to support some others.. it’s this silly school software program > >that’s irritating me the most.. it’s basic.. but their are things.. I > >just don’t like and it’s been around a long time too.. needs more > >money invested in perfecting alot of things.. I have to network them > >first though.. > >and.. I’m off to a late start.. I have to get out of here soon.. > >Pamela > >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message > >news:3aae286b.11624861@news.2000cn.com.au… > >> Good evening! *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* > >> What are your plans for today? What’s happening at work? Are you an > >> Autocad expert yet? I bet you could teach me a few things! > >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:48 -0500, "Unicorn" > >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. > >giggle > >> >morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. > >> >Pamela > >> >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message > >> >news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… > >> >> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 > >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" > >> >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >from time to time… > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >> >Pamela

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ok well I hope you have a fantastic day and that you’re able to sort your frustrations out. Don’t give up on those progams you need to learn. Computer programs are written by sadists, I’m sure of it. I still can’t understand how software companies could possibly get away with selling programs which they know has bugs in it. Especially when the software costs $8000!! Unbelievable. Let me know if I can help you at all with AutoCAD. I’m no expert on the program, but if I don’t know the answer I’m sure I could find it That’s how I’ve learnt most of what I do know, by helping other people when they come to me mistakenly thinking that I’m an expert ) Still, it’s a good way of learning things, most of which I’ve since forgotten because I had no use for them. *sigh* oh well. On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:24:07 -0500, "Unicorn" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >giggle… I loved that.. mega lots.. *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* >and.. no,  I still need to learn more about it for them, my absorsion >seems to be on a delay these days, maybe I’ll draw my dream house >someday.. if I can get that techy… I’ve got to many to learn right >now to support some others.. it’s this silly school software program >that’s irritating me the most.. it’s basic.. but their are things.. I >just don’t like and it’s been around a long time too.. needs more >money invested in perfecting alot of things.. I have to network them >first though.. >and.. I’m off to a late start.. I have to get out of here soon.. >Pamela >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >news:3aae286b.11624861@news.2000cn.com.au… >> Good evening! *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* >> What are your plans for today? What’s happening at work? Are you an >> Autocad expert yet? I bet you could teach me a few things! >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:48 -0500, "Unicorn" >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. >giggle >> >morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. >> >Pamela >> >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >> >news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… >> >> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 >> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" >> >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >from time to time… >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >> >Pamela

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giggle… I loved that.. mega lots.. *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* and.. no,  I still need to learn more about it for them, my absorsion seems to be on a delay these days, maybe I’ll draw my dream house someday.. if I can get that techy… I’ve got to many to learn right now to support some others.. it’s this silly school software program that’s irritating me the most.. it’s basic.. but their are things.. I just don’t like and it’s been around a long time too.. needs more money invested in perfecting alot of things.. I have to network them first though.. and.. I’m off to a late start.. I have to get out of here soon.. Pamela "Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message

news:3aae286b.11624861@news.2000cn.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good evening! *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* > What are your plans for today? What’s happening at work? Are you an > Autocad expert yet? I bet you could teach me a few things! > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:48 -0500, "Unicorn" > <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. giggle > >morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. > >Pamela > >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message > >news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… > >> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 > >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" > >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >from time to time… > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >> >Pamela

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Good evening! *tacklecrashcuddlesnugglehugs* What are your plans for today? What’s happening at work? Are you an Autocad expert yet? I bet you could teach me a few things! On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:01:48 -0500, "Unicorn" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. giggle >morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. >Pamela >"Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message >news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… >> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" >> <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >from time to time… >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* >> >Pamela

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Viscous circles are hard to break.. back atcha one more time.. giggle morningnightevening Willow.. whatever pertains.. Pamela "Willow2000" <nospamwil…@2000cn.com.au> wrote in message

news:3aae2513.10768009@news.2000cn.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ooer! Thanks! Right back atcha x 10 > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:41:31 -0500, "Unicorn" > <unicorn_4_mag…@yahoo.com> wrote: > >from time to time… > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >*hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug*  *hug* > >Pamela

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 "Protecting" Albanians (by blowing up their homes) because Madam Albright happens to have ETHNIC TIES to those people is horseshit.

More happy horsecrap from Karl. It never ends. — Harry Krause I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children. -GW Bush

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With regards to Iraq, IMHO we should have stayed the hell out.  Kuwait simply wasn’t worth going to war over – they are not a democratic society, had no intention of becoming one, and really, in all truth, were not much of a friend to the United States.  We went in there because Saudi Arabia was *afraid* that Saddam would invade there NEXT – and that’s the truth. There was no question…either Saudi Arabia or the UAE was his next stop. His goal was control of all the middle east oil. Kuwait by itself may not have been worth going to war over, but stopping Saddam in his tracks was.

But we didn’t stop him.  We "punished" him, wrecked the environment over there for the next 30 years with all the oil we (and they) spilled, and drove him out of Kuwait – but, and here’s the point – we didn’t "stop" him. All we did was piss him off and give him the ability to build a coalition down the road.  I predicted at the time that Israel was the real issue, and that by merely taking the point off Saddam’s knife (instead of killing or capturing the bastard) we were going to INCITE a war over there eventually, instead of preventing one. No amount of sugar-coated bullshit changes the historical truth about WHY we undertook that "quest" (and then fucked it up beyond reason when we quit without finishing the job, leaving Saddam there to piss many more tens of millions of our tax dollars down the chute for the next 10 years!) We did finish the job we set out to do: stop Saddam. Whether or not we should have had a different goal–take out Saddam too–can be debated forever. The big fear was that committing to taking him out could have set up another Viet Nam situation, and no one was willing to risk that.

Nonsense.  Viet Nam was an entirely different world.  They had a real army and real arms.  Saddam had neither.  That was no "war" by any traditional interpretation.  It was a "push button" blow up this and that campaign – you could pretty much count the number of American casualties on your fingers. The bottom line is that if we’re going to play "national interest" cards then by God we ought to go over there and annex the fricking land as a US protectorate.  Then we can bitch when someone plays around in a way that we don’t like, because it <IS US territory. It’s easy to play Wyatt Earp from an armchair…not so easy for those who know how the deck is stacked. But even the armchair critics knew that not all the Arab players wanted us there…and annexing any part of the middle east would NOT have been a politically OR economically smart move…remember, they control the oil.

I’m aware of that.  I’m not actually suggesting that we should have annexed the area – we should not have.  But I also argue that we have no interest whatsoever in trying to "protect" dictatorships from one another.  And like it or not, that’s what Kuwait is. We did it right–we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and gave Kuwait back to the Kuwaitees…then got the hell out before we could piss off anybody else. The only alternative would have been to invade and take over the whole middle east and annex it…and I don’t THINK we could have done that, ‘cuz somebody else would have gotten it into on their side, and that would have been the start of WW III–nuclear style this time. Peggie

We should have left it alone. If Saudi Arabia or the UAE want our help, they can damn well invite us in for a permanent military presence and provide the land for us to use as, for all intents and purposes, as US Government property (as have other countries who wanted that protection.)  Note that they haven’t – and don’t – because they don’t really want us there EITHER. There is an ueasy relationship with the US and those countries.  They like our oil money, but they hate our philosophy on life and how we live. We went over there and committed aggression against another nation because someone else was scared that they would get THEIR asses kicked.  There’s a problem with that kind of thing, and it should be obvious.  Quite frankly, the entire UN "shield" that we operated under belay the true interest – it wasn’t our oil flow we were protecting, it was the oil flow for Europe and the others in the UN and NATO that we were really flexing our muscles over. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

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Yup.  Timing is why we got Clinton.  Hillary put him in play to get national recognition.  With Bush Sr. Really high rating, not Democrat of any stature was going to run against him.  Then Bush ran a poor campaign.

Yep…they never considered a clown like Clinton to be a serious threat to a sitting president who’d done a good job, and so the Bush campaign didn’t think it was necessary to run very hard against him. Peggie

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Yup.  Timing is why we got Clinton.  Hillary put him in play to get national recognition.  With Bush Sr. Really high rating, not Democrat of any stature was going to run against him.  Then Bush ran a poor campaign. Yep…they never considered a clown like Clinton to be a serious threat to a sitting president who’d done a good job, and so the Bush campaign didn’t think it was necessary to run very hard against him. Peggie

Heheheh. Funniest pair of posts in weeks. — Harry Krause Quotas are bad for America. It’s not the way America is all about. -GW Bush

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But the truest posts. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup.  Timing is why we got Clinton.  Hillary put him in play to get national recognition.  With Bush Sr. Really high rating, not Democrat of any stature was going to run against him.  Then Bush ran a poor campaign. Yep…they never considered a clown like Clinton to be a serious threat to a sitting president who’d done a good job, and so the Bush campaign didn’t think it was necessary to run very hard against him. Peggie Heheheh. Funniest pair of posts in weeks. — Harry Krause Quotas are bad for America. It’s not the way America is all about. -GW

Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With regards to Iraq, IMHO we should have stayed the hell out.  Kuwait simply wasn’t worth going to war over – they are not a democratic society, had no intention of becoming one, and really, in all truth, were not much of a friend to the United States.  We went in there because Saudi Arabia was *afraid* that Saddam would invade there NEXT – and that’s the truth. There was no question…either Saudi Arabia or the UAE was his next stop. His goal was control of all the middle east oil. Kuwait by itself may not have been worth going to war over, but stopping Saddam in his tracks was. But we didn’t stop him.  We "punished" him, wrecked the environment over there for the next 30 years with all the oil we (and they) spilled, and drove him out of Kuwait – but, and here’s the point – we didn’t "stop" him. All we did was piss him off and give him the ability to build a coalition down the road.  I predicted at the time that Israel was the real issue, and that by merely taking the point off Saddam’s knife (instead of killing or capturing the bastard) we were going to INCITE a war over there eventually, instead of preventing one. No amount of sugar-coated bullshit changes the historical truth about WHY we undertook that "quest" (and then fucked it up beyond reason when we quit without finishing the job, leaving Saddam there to piss many more tens of millions of our tax dollars down the chute for the next 10 years!) We did finish the job we set out to do: stop Saddam. Whether or not we should have had a different goal–take out Saddam too–can be debated forever. The big fear was that committing to taking him out could have set up another Viet Nam situation, and no one was willing to risk that. Nonsense.  Viet Nam was an entirely different world.  They had a real army and real arms.  Saddam had neither.  That was no "war" by any traditional interpretation.  It was a "push button" blow up this and that campaign – you could pretty much count the number of American casualties on your fingers. The bottom line is that if we’re going to play "national interest" cards then by God we ought to go over there and annex the fricking land as a US protectorate.  Then we can bitch when someone plays around in a way that we don’t like, because it <IS US territory. It’s easy to play Wyatt Earp from an armchair…not so easy for those who know how the deck is stacked. But even the armchair critics knew that not all the Arab players wanted us there…and annexing any part of the middle east would NOT have been a politically OR economically smart move…remember, they control the oil. I’m aware of that.  I’m not actually suggesting that we should have annexed the area – we should not have.  But I also argue that we have no interest whatsoever in trying to "protect" dictatorships from one another.  And like it or not, that’s what Kuwait is. We did it right–we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and gave Kuwait back to the Kuwaitees…then got the hell out before we could piss off anybody else. The only alternative would have been to invade and take over the whole middle east and annex it…and I don’t THINK we could have done that, ‘cuz somebody else would have gotten it into on their side, and that would have been the start of WW III–nuclear style this time. Peggie We should have left it alone. If Saudi Arabia or the UAE want our help, they can damn well invite us in for a permanent military presence and provide the land for us to use as, for all intents and purposes, as US Government property (as have other countries who wanted that protection.)  Note that they haven’t – and don’t – because they don’t really want us there EITHER. There is an ueasy relationship with the US and those countries.  They like our oil money, but they hate our philosophy on life and how we live. We went over there and committed aggression against another nation because someone else was scared that they would get THEIR asses kicked.  There’s a problem with that kind of thing, and it should be obvious.  Quite frankly, the entire UN "shield" that we operated under belay the true interest – it wasn’t our oil flow we were protecting, it was the oil flow for Europe and the others in the UN and NATO that we were really flexing our muscles over. — — http://www.denninger.net        Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY!

I can’t argue with Karl on this…Desert Storm was a fiasco. About all it did was enable us to test some advanced weaponry under slightly more severe than field test conditions. — Harry Krause Laura and I really don’t realize how bright our children is sometimes until we get an objective analysis. -GW Bush

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All we did was piss him off and give him the ability to build a coalition down the road.  

Something he has yet to be able to do, and it’s been 10 years. We did finish the job we set out to do: stop Saddam. Whether or not we should have had a different goal–take out Saddam too–can be debated forever. The big fear was that committing to taking him out could have set up another Viet Nam situation, and no one was willing to risk that. Nonsense.  Viet Nam was an entirely different world.  They had a real army and real arms.  Saddam had neither.  That was no "war" by any traditional interpretation.  It was a "push button" blow up this and that campaign – you could pretty much count the number of American casualties on your fingers.

The "war" we fought WAS just that, but continuing it to march on Bagdhad and conquer Iraq would not have been. The Arab world didn’t want us there..Certainly the USSR would have jumped into it with support for Iraq–and they did have a real army and guns…and perhaps China (and btw, North Viet Nam wouldn’t have had an army or weapons without China’s support).  Iran has no love for Saddam, but it has even less for the US…and common enemies make new bedfellows.  Continuing on could have been a very long and protracted affair–something the country would not have supported–not after Viet Nam, and CERTAINLY not with cameras focused on every bomb target and a media with a definite anti-war attitude reporting it. We did the right thing.  But I also argue that we have no interest whatsoever in trying to "protect" dictatorships from one another.  And like it or not, that’s what Kuwait is.

They asked us–begged us to. We were only the lead nation of a UN force, at least on paper. We should have left it alone. If Saudi Arabia or the UAE want our help, they can damn well invite us in for a permanent military presence and provide the land for us to use as, for all intents and purposes, as US Government property (as have other countries who wanted that protection.)  Note that they haven’t – and don’t – because they don’t really want us there EITHER.

You just made MY point. We did what they asked us to do. There is an ueasy relationship with the US and those countries.  They like our oil money, but they hate our philosophy on life and how we live.

Well, duh, Karl. We like their cheap oil, but we’re not real fond of their philosophy and how they live either–especially when it comes to human rights and the way it treats women. We went over there and committed aggression against another nation because someone else was scared that they would get THEIR asses kicked.  There’s a problem with that kind of thing, and it should be obvious.

Refusing to support your allies would be a bigger problem. Again–they asked for help.  Quite frankly, the entire UN "shield" that we operated under belay the true interest – it wasn’t our oil flow we were protecting, it was the oil flow for Europe and the others in the UN and NATO that we were really flexing our muscles over.

Again…duh!  You’d rather we left ‘em hanging out to dry? Sheesh, Karl…the "100 hours war" did more for US prestige in the world–in fact, restored it in some places–than anything we’d done since WW II. More importantly, it restored our own national pride, especially in our military, who came home this time to brass bands and ticker tape. Or have you forgotten what they came home from Viet Nam to? We    could    not    risk    that happening again–or even an anti-war media spin.  We did what we were asked to do and got out–we set an objective, we accomplished it, they came home heroes. Take it from a career Army brat who lived through WWII, Korea and Viet Nam in the military–we did the right thing for that time and in that place. Peggie

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Maybe…maybe not. It depends on what’s going on in country and/or the world at the time. Bush Sr’s popularity right after the Gulf War was so high that if it had just happened a year later–in election year–he’d have beaten Clinton–or any other candidate–with a landslide. It just happened a year too early. Peggie

Timing is everything. 123 days to go..

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If the economy undergoes a recession during the next 2 or 4 years, or there is a major bungling of some international incident Bush is toast. The latter I don’t expect, since Colin Powell will be the Secretary of State and he’s arguably the best person that anyone could choose for that job.

I think you have the rose glasses on. Powell is the same brave leader who proposed that we only try economic sanctions on Iraq for Kuwait invasion — as if it has changed the actions of Cuba. Powell was a politician from his first days in the military — always trying to take the easy way out and never making a stand on a tough issue until he could see that his superiors were committed. With him as SecState we will drift (ob:boat) until a crisis is howling though the sewers of Washington, with the net effect that the US military or US Treasury (or both) will take a terrible beating.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If the economy undergoes a recession during the next 2 or 4 years, or there is a major bungling of some international incident Bush is toast. The latter I don’t expect, since Colin Powell will be the Secretary of State and he’s arguably the best person that anyone could choose for that job. I think you have the rose glasses on. Powell is the same brave leader who proposed that we only try economic sanctions on Iraq for Kuwait invasion — as if it has changed the actions of Cuba. Powell was a politician from his first days in the military — always trying to take the easy way out and never making a stand on a tough issue until he could see that his superiors were committed. With him as SecState we will drift (ob:boat) until a crisis is howling though the sewers of Washington, with the net effect that the US military or US Treasury (or both) will take a terrible beating.

Powell has absolutely no experience that would qualify him as Secretary of State. He may well be a retired General but he sure as hell ain’t Marshall. — Harry Krause Gov. Bush will not stand for the subsidation of failure. -GW Bush.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If the economy undergoes a recession during the next 2 or 4 years, or there is a major bungling of some international incident Bush is toast. The latter I don’t expect, since Colin Powell will be the Secretary of State and he’s arguably the best person that anyone could choose for that job. I think you have the rose glasses on. Powell is the same brave leader who proposed that we only try economic sanctions on Iraq for Kuwait invasion — as if it has changed the actions of Cuba. Powell was a politician from his first days in the military — always trying to take the easy way out and never making a stand on a tough issue until he could see that his superiors were committed. With him as SecState we will drift (ob:boat) until a crisis is howling though the sewers of Washington, with the net effect that the US military or US Treasury (or both) will take a terrible beating.

Oh please. With regards to Iraq, IMHO we should have stayed the hell out.  Kuwait simply wasn’t worth going to war over – they are not a democratic society, had no intention of becoming one, and really, in all truth, were not much of a friend to the United States.  We went in there because Saudi Arabia was *afraid* that Saddam would invade there NEXT – and that’s the truth. No amount of sugar-coated bullshit changes the historical truth about WHY we undertook that "quest" (and then fucked it up beyond reason when we quit without finishing the job, leaving Saddam there to piss many more tens of millions of our tax dollars down the chute for the next 10 years!) The bottom line is that if we’re going to play "national interest" cards then by God we ought to go over there and annex the fricking land as a US protectorate.  Then we can bitch when someone plays around in a way that we don’t like, because it <IS US territory. Yeah, I know, we’re beholden to the almighty black gold.  And this is THEIR (the mid east nations) fault?  No, its ours.  We have alternatives available that we have refused to exercise, including biologically renewable fuels that will even burn in boat (and car) diesels, along with home heating and industrial plants (and which, by the way, are CO2 neutral due to their closed-cycle nature.)  We choose not to exploit them because its easier (and marginally cheaper at today’s prices) to swing our big dong around as the only remaining country with an army that can project power wherever and whenever we want. Powell was (and is) exactly right in his assessment. Unless there is a DIRECT threat to our nation we have no business doing anything military anywhere in the world.  "Protecting" Albanians (by blowing up their homes) because Madam Albright happens to have ETHNIC TIES to those people (rather than because there’s a legitimate reason to rain a few hundred million worth of cruise missles down on their cities) is horseshit.  In Rawanda, while we pissed and moaned about 3,000 Albanians who were brutally murdered (and ultimately went to war over it) there were a HALF MILLION people slaughtered under nearly identical circumstances WHILE WE SAT THERE AND LAUGHTED AT THEIR PLIGHT. That we have a representative republic does not give us license to FORCE that form of government on anyone else.  If you think we have that right, be aware that the sword of force cuts with two edges, and you are inviting others to try to undo what we have here. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY! GO HOME SORE LOSERMAN AND TAKE YOUR SAD SOCK PUPPETS WITH YOU! Boies – most overrated liar (and worst prognosticator) on the planet.

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Yup.  Timing is why we got Clinton.  Hillary put him in play to get national recognition.  With Bush Sr. Really high rating, not Democrat of any stature was going to run against him.  Then Bush ran a poor campaign. bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe…maybe not. It depends on what’s going on in country and/or the world at the time. Bush Sr’s popularity right after the Gulf War was so high that if it had just happened a year later–in election year–he’d have beaten Clinton–or any other candidate–with a landslide. It just happened a year too early. Peggie Timing is everything. 123 days to go..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve I understand about the electoral college, really I do. The "one vote per acre" crack was intended as a rebuttal to the statistics that somebody asembled here about how many "counties" Bush won vs. Gore. The number of states, and the number of counties, and the size of the cattle herds in Bush country are meaningless. What counts is the electoral vote, and the folks who wave the map of all the less populated states and try to establish that this creates a strong mandate for Bush are incorrect. Bush won, sort of, the electoral college, (by a 4 vote margin) and is our next president. He’s no worse than the other choice and he *will* be gone in four. The fact that a lot of states where almost nobody lives voted for him is just a footnote and doesn’t affect the score.

I’m not certain of that at all. I believe that the events of the next couple of years will determine this, and while this series of events will certainly not make anyone happy, its simply not going to be the determinant in 2004.  Both republican and democrat bases will be energized by this – which will leave the net effect at zero. If the economy undergoes a recession during the next 2 or 4 years, or there is a major bungling of some international incident Bush is toast. The latter I don’t expect, since Colin Powell will be the Secretary of State and he’s arguably the best person that anyone could choose for that job. The former is not under Bush’s control.  The economic cycle may nail him without mercy, as it did Carter – we shall see….. — — http://www.denninger.net    Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY! GO HOME SORE LOSERMAN AND TAKE YOUR SAD SOCK PUPPETS WITH YOU! Boies – most overrated liar (and worst prognosticator) on the planet.

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With regards to Iraq, IMHO we should have stayed the hell out.  Kuwait simply wasn’t worth going to war over – they are not a democratic society, had no intention of becoming one, and really, in all truth, were not much of a friend to the United States.  We went in there because Saudi Arabia was *afraid* that Saddam would invade there NEXT – and that’s the truth.

There was no question…either Saudi Arabia or the UAE was his next stop. His goal was control of all the middle east oil. Kuwait by itself may not have been worth going to war over, but stopping Saddam in his tracks was. No amount of sugar-coated bullshit changes the historical truth about WHY we undertook that "quest" (and then fucked it up beyond reason when we quit without finishing the job, leaving Saddam there to piss many more tens of millions of our tax dollars down the chute for the next 10 years!)

We did finish the job we set out to do: stop Saddam. Whether or not we should have had a different goal–take out Saddam too–can be debated forever. The big fear was that committing to taking him out could have set up another Viet Nam situation, and no one was willing to risk that.   The bottom line is that if we’re going to play "national interest" cards then by God we ought to go over there and annex the fricking land as a US protectorate.  Then we can bitch when someone plays around in a way that we don’t like, because it <IS US territory.

It’s easy to play Wyatt Earp from an armchair…not so easy for those who know how the deck is stacked. But even the armchair critics knew that not all the Arab players wanted us there…and annexing any part of the middle east would NOT have been a politically OR economically smart move…remember, they control the oil. We did it right–we kicked Saddam out of Kuwait and gave Kuwait back to the Kuwaitees…then got the hell out before we could piss off anybody else. The only alternative would have been to invade and take over the whole middle east and annex it…and I don’t THINK we could have done that, ‘cuz somebody else would have gotten it into on their side, and that would have been the start of WW III–nuclear style this time. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, I know, we’re beholden to the almighty black gold.  And this is THEIR (the mid east nations) fault?  No, its ours.  We have alternatives available that we have refused to exercise, including biologically renewable fuels that will even burn in boat (and car) diesels, along with home heating and industrial plants (and which, by the way, are CO2 neutral due to their closed-cycle nature.)  We choose not to exploit them because its easier (and marginally cheaper at today’s prices) to swing our big dong around as the only remaining country with an army that can project power wherever and whenever we want. Powell was (and is) exactly right in his assessment. Unless there is a DIRECT threat to our nation we have no business doing anything military anywhere in the world.  "Protecting" Albanians (by blowing up their homes) because Madam Albright happens to have ETHNIC TIES to those people (rather than because there’s a legitimate reason to rain a few hundred million worth of cruise missles down on their cities) is horseshit.  In Rawanda, while we pissed and moaned about 3,000 Albanians who were brutally murdered (and ultimately went to war over it) there were a HALF MILLION people slaughtered under nearly identical circumstances WHILE WE SAT THERE AND LAUGHTED AT THEIR PLIGHT. That we have a representative republic does not give us license to FORCE that form of government on anyone else.  If you think we have that right, be aware that the sword of force cuts with two edges, and you are inviting others to try to undo what we have here. — — http://www.denninger.net        Cost-effective Consulting Solutions http://childrens-justice.org    SIGN THE UPREPA PETITION AT THIS SITE TODAY! GO HOME SORE LOSERMAN AND TAKE YOUR SAD SOCK PUPPETS WITH YOU! Boies – most overrated liar (and worst prognosticator) on the planet.

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the statistics that somebody asembled here about how many "counties" Bush won

vs. Gore.  The number of states, and the number of counties, and the size of the cattle herds in Bush country are meaningless.<< — Gould Right.  Irrelevant and immaterial.  Case dismissed.

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Steve I understand about the electoral college, really I do. Bush won, sort of, the electoral college, (by a 4 vote margin) and is our next president.

I think you’d better add up the electoral votes again…he won by a *1* vote margin. He’s no worse than the other choice and he *will* be gone in four.

Maybe…maybe not. It depends on what’s going on in country and/or the world at the time. Bush Sr’s popularity right after the Gulf War was so high that if it had just happened a year later–in election year–he’d have beaten Clinton–or any other candidate–with a landslide. It just happened a year too early. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The fact that a lot of states where almost nobody lives voted for him is just a footnote and doesn’t affect the score. Last President to slide into office with such a small margin in the electoral college was Rutherford (aka Rutherfraud) Hayes. He greased through with a single electoral college vote. In reality this race might be as close, since there were fewer states when Hayes ran for (and was after a single term was run *from*) office. Last I checked, it seemed like the standard was one person, one vote. You checked wrong, at least for President.  It won’t be that way until the Electoral College is abolished. Not one vote per acre. That’s actually closer to the truth.  The votes of people in less densly populated states (the ones with more acres per person) count more than in other states. There are places in the desert and plains states where entire counties might not have much more population than a square block of Manhattan. If you want your vote to be weighted greater, move to those desert and plains states. So what? Everybody is just as equally American as the next guy. (or gal) Not when it comes to the Presidential election. Steve Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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The latter I don’t expect, since Colin Powell will be the Secretary of State and he’s arguably the best person that anyone could choose for that job.

The best joke I heard this morning on the radio… Bush, Cheney and Powell, following the yellow brick road to Washington, DC, to meet the wizard who can grant them what they need most: Bush            a brain Cheney          a heart Powell          courage — Harry Krause As governor of Texas, I have set high standards for our public schools, and I have met those standards. -GW Bush

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Steve I understand about the electoral college, really I do. The "one vote per acre" crack was intended as a rebuttal to the statistics that somebody asembled here about how many "counties" Bush won vs. Gore. The number of states, and the number of counties, and the size of the cattle herds in Bush country are meaningless. What counts is the electoral vote, and the folks who wave the map of all the less populated states and try to establish that this creates a strong mandate for Bush are incorrect. Bush won, sort of, the electoral college, (by a 4 vote margin) and is our next president. He’s no worse than the other choice and he *will* be gone in four. The fact that a lot of states where almost nobody lives voted for him is just a footnote and doesn’t affect the score. Last President to slide into office with such a small margin in the electoral college was Rutherford (aka Rutherfraud) Hayes. He greased through with a single electoral college vote. In reality this race might be as close, since there were fewer states when Hayes ran for (and was after a single term was run *from*) office. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last I checked, it seemed like the standard was one person, one vote. You checked wrong, at least for President.  It won’t be that way until the Electoral College is abolished. Not one vote per acre. That’s actually closer to the truth.  The votes of people in less densly populated states (the ones with more acres per person) count more than in other states. There are places in the desert and plains states where entire counties might not have much more population than a square block of Manhattan. If you want your vote to be weighted greater, move to those desert and plains states. So what? Everybody is just as equally American as the next guy. (or gal) Not when it comes to the Presidential election. Steve

Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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Amusing is right. You’re not accounting for the suburbs which comprise the majority population of most large metropolitan areas.

Suburbs went mostly for Bush.  It was the major metropolitan CITIES that Gore carried.

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Last I checked, it seemed like the standard was one person, one vote. Not one vote per acre. There are places in the desert and plains states where entire counties might not have much more population than a square block of Manhattan. So what? Everybody is just as equally American as the next guy. (or gal) Chuck Gould Float and let float.

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Depends on which suburbs in which cities. In most–if not all–cities, the suburbs range from blue collar to very affluent. The very affluent ones have the smallest populations–fewer affluent people, larger lots, bigger houses. Upper middle class suburbs have larger populations, but the majority of the suburbs are blue collar, middle class, lower middle class…and some are predominantly black/ethnic. In the industrialized north, that means a large number of union members…most of whom voted for Gore. I happen to live a large county that spans the whole gamut…affluent and upper middle class at the north end of it, just the opposite in the entire south end of it…mostly academics in the middle of it. Guess who carried it…it wasn’t Bush. In fact, my congresswoman is a black democrat who hasn’t even had a close race in at least 6 elections. Peggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amusing is right. You’re not accounting for the suburbs which comprise the majority population of most large metropolitan areas. Suburbs went mostly for Bush.  It was the major metropolitan CITIES that Gore carried.

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Got this in e-mail: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Counties won by Bush: 2,434 Counties won by Gore: 677 Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000 Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000 States won by Bush: 29 States won by Gore: 19 And now for the most remarkable finding…. Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 0.1 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 The Federalist’s crack staff of researchers found one more interesting fact that might help explain these disparate murder rates. Gun ownership in the counties won by Mr. Bush is much higher than in the counties won by Mr. Gore! Considering the fact that the murder rate in "Gore Country" is 130 times higher than it is in "Bush Country," it comes as no surprise that the Miami Herald has found thus far, 445 votes from convicted felons in the Florida presidential election-almost all of them for Albert. (Undoubtedly, this is true for felons on death row….) Of note, the report only reviewed 8% of the state’s voting records. Project that finding on the total Florida vote and one might deduce that almost 5,000 felons illegally voted for Gore.

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It makes for amusing reading, but all it really shows is that Gore carried the largest major cities–NY, Chicago, LA, Detroit, including the so-called "inner cities" where populations are the most dense and crime is the highest, and Bush carried the rest of the country. But that was kind of evident from the map showing which states went for which candidate. I like it though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got this in e-mail: Counties won by Bush: 2,434 Counties won by Gore: 677 Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000 Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000 States won by Bush: 29 States won by Gore: 19 And now for the most remarkable finding…. Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 0.1 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 The Federalist’s crack staff of researchers found one more interesting fact that might help explain these disparate murder rates. Gun ownership in the counties won by Mr. Bush is much higher than in the counties won by Mr. Gore! Considering the fact that the murder rate in "Gore Country" is 130 times higher than it is in "Bush Country," it comes as no surprise that the Miami Herald has found thus far, 445 votes from convicted felons in the Florida presidential election-almost all of them for Albert. (Undoubtedly, this is true for felons on death row….) Of note, the report only reviewed 8% of the state’s voting records. Project that finding on the total Florida vote and one might deduce that almost 5,000 felons illegally voted for Gore.

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Got this in e-mail: Counties won by Bush: 2,434 Counties won by Gore: 677

Bush carried all the flyover zones. Harry Krause I understand small business growth. I was one. -GW Bush

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Amusing is right. You’re not accounting for the suburbs which comprise the majority population of most large metropolitan areas. Perhaps you can enlighten us to the corollaries you’ve drawn? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It makes for amusing reading, but all it really shows is that Gore carried the largest major cities–NY, Chicago, LA, Detroit, including the so-called "inner cities" where populations are the most dense and crime is the highest, and Bush carried the rest of the country. But that was kind of evident from the map showing which states went for which candidate. I like it though. Got this in e-mail: Counties won by Bush: 2,434 Counties won by Gore: 677 Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000 Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000 States won by Bush: 29 States won by Gore: 19 And now for the most remarkable finding…. Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 0.1 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 The Federalist’s crack staff of researchers found one more interesting fact that might help explain these disparate murder rates. Gun ownership in the counties won by Mr. Bush is much higher than in the counties won by Mr. Gore! Considering the fact that the murder rate in "Gore Country" is 130 times higher than it is in "Bush Country," it comes as no surprise that the Miami Herald has found thus far, 445 votes from convicted felons in the Florida presidential election-almost all of them for Albert. (Undoubtedly, this is true for felons on death row….) Of note, the report only reviewed 8% of the state’s voting records. Project that finding on the total Florida vote and one might deduce that almost 5,000 felons illegally voted for Gore.

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Try BALANCE. at: www.knowvo.com/3pp/balance. Free download. Regards, Kris I am seeking information on small business accounting shareware (for UK)? Many thanks in advance for any information which you can provide. VMC

Before you buy.

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I am seeking information on small business accounting shareware (for UK)? Many thanks in advance for any information which you can provide. VMC

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You don’t say what type of biz you want the software for, but you might take a look at DSA’s package www.addleco.com   you can download a free demo and it should handle the Sales and VAT taxes in just about any country you would care to name. Hope this helps.     Peter

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snip separate processes (inputting time charges, and then creating/editing invoices). I cannotseem to find a way to put the descriptions of the time charge into the invoice on the first pass. You have to come back to it later, which means you are shuffling back thru the timesheets for descriptions, which might come from several employee’s timesheets. The economies of sorting are lost, do you see what I mean? CPAs need to customize the description of the services provided, for most lines on every invoice. Peachtree doesn’t seem to be a good solution for small consultancy, as far as I can see. I welcome comments, maybe I’m mistaken on this, and there are a lot of WORSE solutions that’s for sure.

Todd. Quickbooks apeears to be a step ahead on this. It allows customized descriptions on each time ticket. snip The best solution, in my opinion, is a custom time & billing application written in your favorite language such as Delphi, Visual Basic, MS Access etc.  Custom programming can be very easy if you limit your objectives to maintain your client list, contact management, and other functions you need for your particular practice. This would include your Time Charges database, with screens to input and maintain your timesheets with detailed descriptions.

Thats what I decided a few years ago. I wrote one in dbase and the re-wrote it in Alpha 4 and 5 and then in Access which I now use. I use a memo field for descriptions. Transferring your invoice lines from Access into Peachtree is very easy, and it can also be done with Quickbooks IIF files.

I track the unpaid invoices in Access and only make an entry in my accounting system when payment is received.  A little duplication of effort (posting payments in billing system and accounting system) but not enough to motivate me to "fix" it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anybody got any comments? Todd Boyle CPA – Kirkland WA

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Following is an informal review of Peachtree Time & Billing for use by a sole practitioner CPA. The T&B feature is an extension of the Peachtree Inventory/Invoicing functions, and payroll time-card system. "Activity items" and "charge items" are like a type of inventory that you sell. * the "Activity" item codes are used to record charges on time tickets. * the "Charge" item codes are used to record charges on expens tickets The Activity and Charge Items for time & billing must be set up within the Inventory Items maintenance, as "Item Classes". You have to enter your detailed description to be displayed on the sales invoice at the time you set up the "Item Classes."  Whatever you set up here will be your draft text on the invoices. When creating an activity item, you can enter five billing rate levels. If you are entering a charge item, five sales price levels are allowed. There are other settings such as default G/L income account, Tax codes, employee’s commissions, etc. at this point. I believe you can also feed the complex time and billing costs into Jobs for job costing.   EXAMPLE IMPLEMENTATION BY SMALL CPA PRACTICE: I created only one Activity code: 1= "Consulting Services" because most of my text in the invoice lines needs customization anyway.  Inputting my time charges into the Time Ticket inputting module is easy and fast; it includes these steps: * select a client, * select an employee ( 1 = myself ) * select the type of service ( 1 =consulting ) * input start and end times for the charge, * Hit the Save button. As soon as I am finished, I go to the Invoicing procedure, click on the client(s) I want to invoice, and pull up a list of outstanding charges inputted above. Use the mouse to select all of them, causing them to be sucked into the invoice. Edit each invoice line to provide persuasive and informative descriptions. Obviously, this is the hard part of any CPA’s billing process. You are limited to 156 characters per line– approximately this much space: xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx BOTTOM LINE: If you have a lot of employees, and you pay by the hour, and a lot of customers, the software might be worth considering, because you can input stacks of timesheets into the "Time Tickets" interface, and Peachtree will sort all those charges into the customer’s accounts as well as into your payroll accounts for hourly workers. This would be boffo solution for generic services businesses. For CPAs who just bill generic line items like "1997 tax return-1040" it could also be very efficient! However, the biggest disadvantage for CPAs is you have two or more separate processes (inputting time charges, and then creating/editing invoices). I cannotseem to find a way to put the descriptions of the time charge into the invoice on the first pass. You have to come back to it later, which means you are shuffling back thru the timesheets for descriptions, which might come from several employee’s timesheets. The economies of sorting are lost, do you see what I mean? CPAs need to customize the description of the services provided, for most lines on every invoice. Peachtree doesn’t seem to be a good solution for small consultancy, as far as I can see. I welcome comments, maybe I’m mistaken on this, and there are a lot of WORSE solutions that’s for sure. For example, the timesheet integration with payroll is a brilliant piece of engineering, If you pay by the hour, you really appreciate integration in this direction because the hours go into billing and into payroll! But for a professional firm, your main employees might be on salary. The best solution, in my opinion, is a custom time & billing application written in your favorite language such as Delphi, Visual Basic, MS Access etc.  Custom programming can be very easy if you limit your objectives to maintain your client list, contact management, and other functions you need for your particular practice. This would include your Time Charges database, with screens to input and maintain your timesheets with detailed descriptions. All kinds of conveniences become possible at that point. You might, for example, let your computer pick up CALLER ID from incoming calls and automagically display Client information, or initiate Faxes, Letters, envelopes, email messages, etc. with addresses. Transferring your invoice lines from Access into Peachtree is very easy, and it can also be done with Quickbooks IIF files. You would need a mechanism for insuring integrity (no double billings or missed billings, between Access and Peachtree.). I can provide general Visual Basic code to synchronize your Customer List with Peachtree, if any programmers  want it. To synchronize your Customer List with Quickbooks, see www.datablox.com Has anybody got any comments? Todd Boyle CPA – Kirkland WA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4. It appears, at first blush, that financing for boats older than 15 years (maybe less) is a real pain or maybe not feasible at all (especially if the boat is wood as opposed to glass or steel/aluminum). I just bought a boat that is more than 20 years old (fiberglass sailboat). It was a little difficult finding a financer at first, and when we did the interest rate was higher than if we’d bought a newer boat. However, in the end there were many people willing to finance us. I’ve heard that wooden boats are in fact almost impossible to finance and insure. If you would like to know the names of the banks we tried just email me. -Rob

And then on the other hand, we financed a boat with a hull built in 1889. It surveyed okay and the bank didn’t hesitate. You just have to know where to go. The Rot Doctor http://www.rotdoctor.com Phone: 206 783 0307 Fax: 206 783 0582

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4. It appears, at first blush, that financing for boats older than 15 years (maybe less) is a real pain or maybe not feasible at all (especially if the boat is wood as opposed to glass or steel/aluminum).

I just bought a boat that is more than 20 years old (fiberglass sailboat). It was a little difficult finding a financer at first, and when we did the interest rate was higher than if we’d bought a newer boat. However, in the end there were many people willing to finance us. I’ve heard that wooden boats are in fact almost impossible to finance and insure. If you would like to know the names of the banks we tried just email me. -Rob

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The wife and I are giving serious consideration to purchasing a trawler as a liveaboard. However, this won’t occur for at least two years (waiting until the youngest graduates and gives us time to research). I’m reading everything I can get my hands on and asking tons of questions; but, I’m concerned about what we can really afford based upon the following: 1. We are a couple of "modest" means (less than six figures a year combined income). 2. We would have to sell the land home (could not afford to maintain both). 3. We recognize that new is out of the question (especially since we believe, at this point, 45 to 50 feet depending on layout to be sufficient). 4. It appears, at first blush, that financing for boats older than 15 years (maybe less) is a real pain or maybe not feasible at all (especially if the boat is wood as opposed to glass or steel/aluminum). 5. The 20% down could be done; but, on anything above 200K final selling price would also be out of the question (unless there is some "creative financing" I’m not currently aware of). 6. The asking price of what we’ve seen in the Pacific NW seems to be way out of line compared to the high retail average listed in the Powerboat Guide (even accounting for the 10 – 15% regional "markup"). I’m (hopefully) not trying to build barriers to actually making this happen. Just trying to look at things realistically based upon what I know so far. Comments? Thanks.

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You might want to go to our web site and read everything the "search function" turns up on "living aboard" and "live aboard". We lived aboard for years. You should have no problem with financing if you have a reasonable credit history but they may require up to 50% down at some banks and a lot don’t like boats because they are mobile. The good news is that you certainly wouldn’t need anything like 200 grand to get a good boat. A quick check through our co-broker’s listings shows a 62′ teak vessel for $80,000 for instance. There are abundant other vessels that would be eminently suitable. I would recommend the smallest boat you can be comfortable on if you plan to travel extensively by the way. The brokerage section of our web site under "yard" has a lot of information on how yacht brokerage works so you don’t get tripped up. Remember to get a boat independently surveyed before buying. If there’s anything I can do to help let me know. Tom MacNaughton http://www.macnaughtongroup.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The wife and I are giving serious consideration to purchasing a trawler as a liveaboard. However, this won’t occur for at least two years (waiting until the youngest graduates and gives us time to research). I’m reading everything I can get my hands on and asking tons of questions; but, I’m concerned about what we can really afford based upon the following: 1. We are a couple of "modest" means (less than six figures a year combined income). 2. We would have to sell the land home (could not afford to maintain both). 3. We recognize that new is out of the question (especially since we believe, at this point, 45 to 50 feet depending on layout to be sufficient). 4. It appears, at first blush, that financing for boats older than 15 years (maybe less) is a real pain or maybe not feasible at all (especially if the boat is wood as opposed to glass or steel/aluminum). 5. The 20% down could be done; but, on anything above 200K final selling price would also be out of the question (unless there is some "creative financing" I’m not currently aware of). 6. The asking price of what we’ve seen in the Pacific NW seems to be way out of line compared to the high retail average listed in the Powerboat Guide (even accounting for the 10 – 15% regional "markup"). I’m (hopefully) not trying to build barriers to actually making this happen. Just trying to look at things realistically based upon what I know so far. Comments? Thanks.

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.

Corona Light?!? Huh? Like regular Corona is too heavy? What? How can you lighten something that has no shade? My tap water has more flavor than Corona. I can’t believe they made a light version. Help!  Can’t compute! Why do people do such stupid things? You’d think that they’d come out with a Corona dark, or a strong or something. Perhaps then, and only then, will people actually start enjoying the stuff. How can they stay in business like that anyway?

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Now you know why everyone serves a lime with each bottle. -Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog. Corona Light?!? Huh? Like regular Corona is too heavy? What? How can you lighten something that has no shade? My tap water has more flavor than Corona. I can’t believe they made a light version. Help!  Can’t compute! Why do people do such stupid things? You’d think that they’d come out with a Corona dark, or a strong or something. Perhaps then, and only then, will people actually start enjoying the stuff. How can they stay in business like that anyway?

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.  That was the most horrible fermented (malt?) beverage I have ever tasted.  Nasty.  Poured it out after one swallow. A friend was coming over later, so I asked him if he drinks the stuff and he said yes, so I refrained from pouring the other 5 out.  He started drinking one when he got here and then I broke out one of my mediocre, too sweet, but OK, amber ales and got him to taste it in the middle of the Corona.  He thought it was pretty good.  Then I told him to try some more of that nasty stuff.  You should have seen his face! It was great!  He said that Corona was NASTY. I did the same experiment with a Red Dog that I had picked up somewhere and it was even nastier than the swallow of the Corona I had before. Anyway, Corona is the nastiest, vilest crap I have ever put in my mouth.  Now I have 6 nice clean, very expensive sample bottles for homebrew.  I really can’t believe any civilized person drinks that stuff. PS.  Also tried a Colt .45 32 oz. today for $.88 just to see what that was all about.  It was nearly as bad as the Corona.  It really stunk up my kitchen sink.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :) On the other hand, altho I prefer heavier beers as a rule, I do like a cold Tecate or two after doing the lawn, cleaning the garage, etc., etc.

 I have had Dos Equis Amber Lager and one time it is very good and the next is has a harse mettallic flavor or a skunky hop smell and flavor. When it is right it is pretty good.                                       Phil Cline.

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I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . If he thought Bud Light was real beer, what on earth was the ’swill’ he was drinking?

He didn’t say and I was too stunned to ask – and I don’t wanna know . Tony V.

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… … Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste.

Actually, I think it depends more on where you are in the distribution food chain.  Negra Modelo is a good "Viennese Lager" style beer, but it suffers from the same distribution network that carelessly — it sometimes seems intentionally — skunks up all the Corona.  So, in much of the USA, you wind up with Negra Modelo with a metallic twang or other odd flavors from bad shipping. When it’s fresh, I like it. Best, Sam Mize — Multi-part MIME message: " ", " ", " " (hands waving) Fight Spam – see http://www.cauce.org/

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

On the other hand, altho I prefer heavier beers as a rule, I do like a cold Tecate or two after doing the lawn, cleaning the garage, etc., etc.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :) IMHO: Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste. Rumor: (no verifacation) Corona was origanaly made (under another name) In Baltimore. faced with extinction, the company moved to mexica and sold the beer origanaly exclusively as an import to the US.

I doubt very much that this is true; I remember Corona from my youth (some thirty years back, probably), and they would have folded completely if they had relied on the US as a sole market. Oxymoron Joke; Kind of pot-kettl;e statment here in the land of BUD…

Not only that, I couldn’t see any connection at all, unless Mike S. was equating "Mexican" with "moronic"; if that’s what he meant, I think you can guess my reaction (I grew up in Mexico, and my IQ is just fine, thanks). — Andy McKellar    Dallas, TX

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Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend;         Perhaps I just had a bad sample?  It had an off flavor that early batches of my homebrew had… I don’t know how to explain it. Kind of a metallic astringency.  I’ll try it again if/when I eat Mexican food (I’m not particularly in to really greasy foods) next.

The Negra Modelo I can get here in Raleigh, NC has that flavor, sort of a sherry flavor. The same beer, when purchased in the Denver area does not. I think it may simply have to do with old beer. If you think Mexican food is greasy you have not experienced good Mexican food. You probably have had Tex-Mex that was called Mexican. If everything was smotherred in a red chili sauce it is a good chance you where served Tex-Mex. Brian p.s. At times I do go out of my way for the greasy variety.

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I wonder if it’s OK to just like beer? I do. I like Corona just fine – when I want something to knock down a thirst after, say, a game of basketball. I also like a good stout at a bull session with friends at a bar, or a nice hoppy red ale in my back yard on a Sunday afternoon. I’ve got some nice nut brown ale brewin’ up in the carboy right now, and my local brewpub makes a lot of nice German-style brews in particular. I like ‘em all. I’d also like to point out that some of this "Corona is skunk piss" talk reinforces the worst stereotypes of this hobby – the belief that it’s just a bunch of (mostly male) ubergeeks who are trying to make enjoying beer as impossible for most folks as enjoying wine, due to all the terminology and snootiness. If you don’t like it, don’t drink it. If your friends like it, don’t get your underwear in a knot. Introduce them to other stuff. Bring ‘em along. Just enjoy the stupid beer!

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress…

I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

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An interesting point about people acquiring a taste for light struck brew! When I worked for a major brewer we came out with 32 ounce cans for our brand and thought that they could help grow our business while increasing our profits.  (Cans are much more profitable than bottles). Unfortunately, sales of the brand plummeted when the cans replaced the existing quart bottles.  When we talked to our customers they said things like, "That’s not MY beer in the can, it doesn’t have any bite".  Truth is, it was better quality protected beer but not what they were used to.  There is truly no accounting for taste. Think global- drink local. Jim Ohio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand. Before I started brewing and learning more about beer than: "the more I drink, the drunker I get",  I used to be one of those people.  It all has to do with education and a willingness to learn.  In my experience, it also had something to do with trying to have yuppie tastes. Unfortunately, too many yuppies with ‘refined tastes’ and a enough money to afford ‘imported beer’ marveled about the fabulous ‘imported taste’ of the beers in green and clear bottles.  Those wanting to be like their yuppie friends, and have ‘refined taste’, drank the swill and also marveled at the ‘imported taste’.  None of them (including myself) knew that the skunkiness was a flaw. I will still drink those imports from time to time (when I’m outta HB in the middle of the summer), but only buy them by the case, where they’ve been protected from the light. Shawn Lowell, MA "A bad day of brewing is better than a great day at work."

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

Don’t blame the kid.  He’s probably seen "Toy Story" too many times.  It is full of A/B subliminals.  For example, the main character is named "Bud Lite Beer." Brian

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

IMHO: Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste. Rumor: (no verifacation) Corona was origanaly made (under another name) In Baltimore. faced with extinction, the company moved to mexica and sold the beer origanaly exclusively as an import to the US. Oxymoron Joke; Kind of pot-kettl;e statment here in the land of BUD…

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

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Reminds of the time I was at a bar that serves hundreds of beers from around the world, and this guy orders a couple of Coors Light.  I know, I know, it’s a free country, but, c’mon…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

If he thought Bud Light was real beer, what on earth was the ’swill’ he was drinking? Tim in Lowell, MA — please move the dot in my return address to read analog dot com

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.

Actually, although I speak only from speculation, Bat Urine is a close description of Corona.  You, my friend, were mislead as you soon found out; you have my sympathy for tasting this ick. Nasty.  Poured it out after one swallow.

Ah, so proud of you.  Hard sometimes to waste beer, no matter how vile of a concoction it may be. A friend was coming over later…..

Likely not your friend now…. He said that Corona was NASTY.

So good to know that another has discriminating tastes.  Sounds like he may soon be on the homebrew path of all that is right with beer as God intended. Anyway, Corona is the nastiest, vilest crap I have ever put in my mouth.

I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I was in the local brew shop picking up supplies and mentioned the abomination called Corona to the owner.  He walked over, pulled a book off the shelf and pointed out a section to me.  (Michael Jackson book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison Avenue.  Quite comical actually. A toast to real beer…..ahhhhhh…Homebrew!  Relax and drink more… Michael ## Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, ## ##                and I’m not sure about the former.               ## ##                         -Albert Einstein-                       ##

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book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison

        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…         Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist? NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.                                                                    

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        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…         Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist?

Jackson writes about Negra Modelo in his "Beer Companion". He mentions that it uses adjuncts, though (doesn’t help me classify it as "premium").  I order it at Mexican restaurants because it goes good with the food (as Jackson suggests). Jackson also mentions in passing Dos Equis, Indio Oscura and Leon Negra (I’ve never tried the last two).  FWIW, he states that the "golden lagers of Mexico do nothing more than wash down its spicy foods".  Not a very promising outlook!  ;-O Mark Riley The Beer Recipator – http://hbd.org/recipator

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        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…

Hey… IMO, Negra Modelo isn’t bad.  Nothing to write home about, but quite drinkable.  I’m glad that a lot of the Mexican restaurants have started serving it; now I can actually have a beer or two with dinner when we go out for Mexican food. Are you sure what you tried wasn’t the Modelo Especial?  From what I recall, ME *is* pretty vile stuff, only marginally less offensive than Corona… —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison    Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…    Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist?

Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend; in my opinion, it and Dos Equis are the best beers made in Mexico, with Negra Modelo slightly ahead.  On the other hand, I have a strong preference for strong flavors, so that influences my choice.  In the lighter lagers, Bohemia is probably the best (again, in my opinion); give it a try before you give up completely. BTW, you didn’t say what you _do_ like…? — Andy McKellar    Dallas, TX

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Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend;

        Perhaps I just had a bad sample?  It had an off flavor that early batches of my homebrew had… I don’t know how to explain it. Kind of a metallic astringency.  I’ll try it again if/when I eat Mexican food (I’m not particularly in to really greasy foods) next. NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.                                                                    

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. . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress…

I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand. Mark —- The email address above is wrong. To reply via email, please change "NoSpam" to "ItsMark" (No quotes)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand.

Before I started brewing and learning more about beer than: "the more I drink, the drunker I get",  I used to be one of those people.  It all has to do with education and a willingness to learn.  In my experience, it also had something to do with trying to have yuppie tastes. Unfortunately, too many yuppies with ‘refined tastes’ and a enough money to afford ‘imported beer’ marveled about the fabulous ‘imported taste’ of the beers in green and clear bottles.  Those wanting to be like their yuppie friends, and have ‘refined taste’, drank the swill and also marveled at the ‘imported taste’.  None of them (including myself) knew that the skunkiness was a flaw. I will still drink those imports from time to time (when I’m outta HB in the middle of the summer), but only buy them by the case, where they’ve been protected from the light. Shawn Lowell, MA "A bad day of brewing is better than a great day at work."

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I have a 17′ Lowe aluminum boat.  The boat is a fishing/ski design with an aluminum deck in the interior.  It is about four years old, and has a 70 hp Evinrude ob.   My problem is the rivets along the third rib back from the bow.  They are all leaking:  there’s a steady drip from each of them when the boat is on its trailer and the hull is full of water.  One rivet is so loose it can be moved in a small cirle. The manufacturer has agreed to bear the bulk of the cost to fix the hull. My questions are: (1)  If the rivets are replaced, will the fix be permanent or will I be faced  with the same problem in another four years?  We boat in the choppy waters of Northern Lake Huron (off Detour Point) and often the boat is knocked about a bit. (2)  The local dealer says he must get access to both sides of the hull to fix the problem.  This will involve cutting the aluminum deck above the rib, and cutting apart the seats in the open-bow area.  The owner of the marina I use says the dealer can use something called "blind rivets" the can be set from the outside of the hull.  No cutting is necessary. Given the substantial cutting involved (and problemmatical reassembly), should I insist on "blind rivets"?  If the dealer balks, should I take the job elsewhere? (3)  In a worst-case scenario, I’ll be looking to replace the boat. Given the rocky shoals in my area (many not marked or properly located on the charts), I think I prefer aluminum for my next hull.  It appears the welded hulls of Lund or Starcraft solve the rivet problem.  Is this correct?  Do these hulls have problems of their own? TIA for any advice on the problem.                                  Randy Hayes                                  School of Accounting                                  Central Michigan University

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 17′ Lowe aluminum boat.  The boat is a fishing/ski design with an aluminum deck in the interior.  It is about four years old, and has a 70 hp Evinrude ob.   My problem is the rivets along the third rib back from the bow.  They are all leaking:  there’s a steady drip from each of them when the boat is on its trailer and the hull is full of water.  One rivet is so loose it can be moved in a small cirle. The manufacturer has agreed to bear the bulk of the cost to fix the hull. My questions are: (1)  If the rivets are replaced, will the fix be permanent or will I be faced  with the same problem in another four years?  We boat in the choppy waters of Northern Lake Huron (off Detour Point) and often the boat is knocked about a bit. (2)  The local dealer says he must get access to both sides of the hull to fix the problem.  This will involve cutting the aluminum deck above the rib, and cutting apart the seats in the open-bow area.  The owner of the marina I use says the dealer can use something called "blind rivets" the can be set from the outside of the hull.  No cutting is necessary. Given the substantial cutting involved (and problemmatical reassembly), should I insist on "blind rivets"?  If the dealer balks, should I take the job elsewhere? (3)  In a worst-case scenario, I’ll be looking to replace the boat. Given the rocky shoals in my area (many not marked or properly located on the charts), I think I prefer aluminum for my next hull.  It appears the welded hulls of Lund or Starcraft solve the rivet problem.  Is this correct?  Do these hulls have problems of their own? TIA for any advice on the problem.                                 Randy Hayes                                 School of Accounting                                 Central Michigan University

I think you may have a couple of solutions possible.  Since I haven’t seen your boat, it may not work for you, but on a 14′ aluminum boat I once had I had the same problem.  Fortunately I had a friend with a sheet metal shop and a heliarc welder.  We turned the boat over, and he tacked each loose rivet with a nice clean bead.  Even repaired a small tear the same way. "Blind rivets" are also referred to as closed end pop rivets.  These may not be the best solution unless they are of sufficient size to handle the flexing which may cause them to loosen with time.  If you could get to the inside of the hull easily, you may also consider drilling out the loose rivets and replacing them with round head screws that could then be welded as described above.  That would ensure against loosening from flexing of the hull. Still another possibility…no, you said the manufacturer would help with cost, so I still think welding is the best bet. Al Jimenez

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