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we are sending a xmas card to all the contacts we had in the last months. What could be a nice message to give them so that they will apreciate the idea and be riminded of our product as well ? Thank you Duilio Foschi

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we are sending a xmas card to all the contacts we had in the last months. What could be a nice message to give them so that they will apreciate the idea and be riminded of our product as well ?

On the card, under your company name?         Happy Holidays             Acme, Inc. The Makers of Acme Widgets — McWebber No email replies read If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends please forget that I’m your friend.

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we are sending a xmas card to all the contacts we had in the last months. What could be a nice message to give them so that they will apreciate the idea and be riminded of our product as well ? Thank you Duilio Foschi

Happy holidays and HO HO HO from (Company, Inc), the elves who bring you (WidgetsForYou).

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sometimes it’s also nice to see the smiling faces to go along with the voices, makes a nice photographic card and adds the human element ~zion~

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we are sending a xmas card to all the contacts we had in the last months. What could be a nice message to give them so that they will apreciate the idea and be riminded of our product as well ? Thank you Duilio Foschi

Duilio, I guess it depends on how you market and so forth. I built long term relationships with my customers and holiday cards are just a part of that. The way you are looking at this may be a sign that you need to pay more attention to your customers. — Mike

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we are sending a xmas card to all the contacts we had in the last months. What could be a nice message to give them so that they will apreciate the idea and be riminded of our product as well ? Happy holidays and HO HO HO from (Company, Inc), the elves who bring you (WidgetsForYou).

Well…. maybe not a good idea if your product is cremation urns or accounting services. Some markets beg a little less jolliness. WS

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I use Quickbooks for everything, including my Ebay and other auction sales. Lori — Looking for sexy fashions in leather, pvc, shoes, accessories and more? Visit my online store at www.sensualelegance.com NOW WITH OVER 2500 ITEMS ONLINE AND MORE ADDED DAILY! And for adults only: www.sensual-desire.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

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Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated.

With all due respect, unless you are a lorge, large seller, just do it the way I have been doing it for 30 + years  – paper and pencil  – cheap and accurate

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Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days…….

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I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days…….

So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst?

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I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days……. So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst?

Ask Worldcom and Enron. – Email replies should be sent to the address found here: http://members.aol.com/jonpurkey/email.gif

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I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days……. So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst? Ask Worldcom and Enron.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro. What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

Probably whatever accounting software you feel comfortable with would work for you. Just set up categories of expenses and income— from supplies, listing fees, postage, actual payments received… etc. I use Microsoft Money because it was a program bundled with my computer and I was already familiar with it. I make a new account for each year, so I have everything I need to know for that year to pass on to my accountant. Using categories, I can easily tell my accountant the exact figures for postage, income, etc. I only document ebay fees once per month when I get the monthly invoice.

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As I was reading this, something occurred to me, in that the way to stop the strike, ideally, would be if the desperate non-union actors stopped scabbing of course.  But then I thought, what about those non-union agents who constantly send those scabs to auditions for struck work. Why has SAG not created a way for those agents to be punished for even sending the talent to begin with?

Because it is their jobs to send performers to auditions. These are not SAG franchised agents so as such they cannot be disciplined for contributing to the prolongation of the strike. They don’t work for or with the blessings of the union, …but for their SCAB clients. I think SAG/AFTRA should resolve to prevent the possible future franchisement of these agents who help advertisers with their union busting activities. Their myopia is staggering though isn’t it? For a few quick bucks today, they work steadily towards slitting their own throats. They don’t see the long term ramifications that a union free industry would mean to them. If the advertisers are successful in busting SAG/AFTRA, the non-union agents would be out of business in a heartbeat. The major factor that precluded union actors from competing against non-union actors will have been removed. There would be no more union & non union anymore. The top notch talent that booked before, will continue to book, and the novice, or non union talent will be wiped out. The William Morriss’, ICM,’s CAA’s will still be there, …but the upper echelon agencies would take over everything else, forcing smaller previously nonunion agencies out of business Drama Queen — "Intellectuals cause a great deal of trouble trying to do it all with the mind. It is the heart that counts."             — Louise Bogan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – DETROIT MASSIVE SUCCESS – this just in…. Yesterday, something happened in Detroit that has never happened before: a General Motors plant was shut down by a picket. United Auto Workers, union crane operators, electricians, and building tradesmen and, of course, Teamsters, walked out in honor of a Screen Actors Guild picket line. This plant costs GM $40,000 a minute to run and our strikers shut it down for one and a half shifts. It is not only the first time a plant has been shut down, it’s the first time any union other than Teamsters or UAW have dared picket there. A three person picket crew from L.A. crew organized the picket, the culmination of a month’s work  in Detroit. GM must truly hate them because they’ve shut down their corporate headquarters several times already. (NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL ANY MORE!!!! – Ed.)

GODDAMMIT! *This* sort of stuff should have been happening months ago, the moment Shepard et al walked away fromthe bargaining table, and the fact that it didn’t embarasses me. The day this strike started, I advocated putting this exact strategy of calling in other unions in place as a back-up plan. What the FUCK was SAG/AFTRA leadership thinking when they shunned AFL-CIO help early on? Perhaps their own cushy little careers? Carl EDITORIAL NOTE My husband, who also works in this industry came home today 9/8, with the Hollywood Reporter folded back to show me the gorgeous ad for the Gold Ribbons of Solidarity that our unions placed with the invitation to all Emmy

attendees to wear them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several pages earlier is an ad the JPC/AAAA placed….small print, uninspired, unimpressive message….the tide has turned….I wept. – lj GOLD RIBBONS – MAKE ‘EM!  WEAR ‘EM!!  THEY GET PEOPLE TALKING!! Come down to your local strike headquarters to pick some up or to help us make more!  Pin one on, show your support!  Pin your families, your friends! JAY LENO CONTRIBUTION TO STRIKE FUND Leno’s $10,000 tunes up SAG strike fund – HOLLYWOOD REPORTER "Tonight Show" host Jay Leno has donated $10,000 to the SAG Foundation’s strike fund to assist Screen Actors Guild members during their ongoing strike against the advertising industry. "We’re very excited about this

gift," SAG Foundation executive director Marcia Smith said. "It shows that he

remembers where he came from and that he supports his colleagues." The SAG Foundation launched

the strike fund last month with a $500,000 endowment. Leno’s gift is only the latest

contribution the talk show host has made to boost the morale of the striking  actors. Throughout the strike, he has directed numerous strike-related barbs at the ad industry during his "Tonight Show" monologues. (Now THAT is remembering your roots! – Thanks

millions, Jay! – Ed.) NEW YORK SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER  9th – LABOR DAY PARADE We’ll be meeting at 10:00 am at 44th St. and Madison. We will be marching with thousands of union members. We must have a strong presence to show how determined we are to WIN THIS STRIKE! Wear your T-shirts. Bring your family and friends.  A strong turnout makes the

strongest statement. If you have any questions call 212-582-6158 day or night. OR STOP BY: 110 W. 57th, 4th Floor, Bet. 6th and 7th HEY THERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!! We had HUGE success yesterday at the ROYALE THEATER!  We packed up the place and everyone who got on the mic. including Board

Members, Celebs, and Union officials, and Strike Captains, said some very powerful speeches.  Attached is a run down of the night! Check it out!  (The Royal Event.doc) A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE WHO SHOWED UP LAST

NIGHT!  FOR THOSE WHO DID AND THOSE WHO DIDN’T….WE ARE NOT DONE YET! WE HAVE A FEW MORE VERY IMPORTANT EVENTS COMING UP AND EACH AND EVERY ONE

NEEDS A BIG TURNOUT! PRELIMINARY TALKS BEGIN NEXT WEEK. WE ARE MOVING

RIGHT ALONG WITH SOME – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IMPORTANT ACTIONS! The next step now is the "LABOR DAY PARADE" happening TOMORROW! We need everyone to attend with their family and friends. WE’LL BE MEETING AT 44TH ST. AND MADISON AVE. AT 10:00 AM. We are going to be marching with hundreds of other Locals and we must have a BIG turnout to demonstrate our strength and commitment! This is the time to show our solidarity and let the Advertising Industry know that we are a Strong Force and we are determined to get a fair contract! Please do everything you can to be there! AND NOW ABOUT THE 13TH!  We’ve been asking everybody to keep their calendars open so here’s what is happening: WE’RE MEETING AT BBD&O ADVERTISING AT 1285 6TH

AVENUE (Bet. 51st and 52nd) at 11:00 AM! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please wear your Union T-shirts, pins, and gold ribbons to show your support! Once again we need EVERYONE to attend this crucial action. The heat is on Brothers and Sisters.  We need to everyone to get involved! The Strike will not end without you!  Thanks for your support. Yours in Solidarity, The Strike Team (WE LOVE NEW YORK! – Ed.) LOS ANGELES KID’s Picket Action!!!! Saturday, September 9th 10:30 am till 12:30 pm McDonald’s in Hollywood At the corner of Sunset Blvd and Highland Ave Solidarity Vigil With SEIU Monday, September 11th 10:30 am -Outside of County Hall of Administration 500 W Temple (at Grand) in L.A. Join SAG and the SEIU Local #343 B In A Round-The-Clock Vigil At County Office. As Seniors, Homecare Workers and Unions Anticipate Budget Decisions Seniors, people with disabilities, and workers are calling for a County budget that includes hourly wages of $7.50 plus health care benefits for homecare workers. Current hourly wages of $6.2 keep homecare workers in poverty and jeopardize the quality and reliability of homecare services. Meet outside of County Hall at 10:30 am with Glen Veteto Pre-Negotiation Rally & March Wednesday, September, 13, 2000  EVERYONE, PLEASE BE THERE!!!! Hancock Park-Great Lawn La Brea Tar Pits-Across from SAG Los Angeles CHICAGO AND… like always, during the week we may need you at a moment’s notice — call the Assignment Line:  (312) 867-5508. We have people in place to answer this phone during business hours.   Outside of business hours, you will hear a message.  All Rapid Response Team Captains and

Commanders please attend at your assigned time. BOYCOTT!! LOS ANGELES TIMES & CHICAGO TRIBUNE To cancel your subscription, call the LA Times at

1-800-252-9141 between 8 & 5pm, To cancel your subscription, call the Chicago Tribune at 1-800-TRIBUNE. When you call to cancel, they will ask you why.  Tell them…then make sure they will file an editorial complaint based on your comments.  Be

concise, be passionate. Be a CUSTOMER cancelling your subscription.  These papers

need their subscriptions to stay alive.  Ask everyone you know to cancel… Do it & let us know about it. (another story…)  My husband is a member of SAG so I read all your e-mails to us.

Anyway after a story in the Living section of the LA Times last week I e-mailed them,

blasting basically the media blackout over the strike.  So on the front page of today’s LA Times is finally an article.  But I e-mailed the reporter, Greg Johnson telling him

thanks, but we need more two sided coverage.  I told him some of the issues involved and

all the people affected monetarily, not just actors and asked for some more coverage…

So thought you might want to e-mail him also.  I would have canceled our subscription but

I’m looking for a job and using the classified…  Anyway he’s at

thanks for all you do and hope it does some good.  Hell, I told

him the janitors were front page, where the hell are the actors?? – (thanks to you, we may

be heard at last. – Ed.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CALIFORNIA GRASS ROOTS BIKE-TO-THE-CAPITOL ACTION!!! The ride will leave Los Angeles Mon. Sept. 25. The purpose of this action is to: 1. Get the word out throughout the state about the Strike. 2. To deliver a proposal to the Governor’s office asking him to get involved with helping to bring about an end to this Strike which is having a devastating effect on LA’s and California’s economy. We will be gathering signatures for the petition to take to the capitol at the SAG headquarters the Cagney room just ask! We need to raise $1600 to support the ride before that time. Any donation, even $5 or $10 dollars will make this ride possible. Anyone interested in becoming involved as a rider, a support

person, or contributor please see Gary Mosher at LA Strike HQ asap. Or email us at:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THE PLACE FOR INFO This is THE place to refer to for why we’re on strike. Bookmark it, memorize it, use it again and again:  http://www.sag.org/strike/talking_points.html STRIKE RELIEF FUND (Don’t be afraid to ask for help or information – Ed.) If you are a SAG Member whose primary income prior to the strike came from making commercials,  SCREEN ACTORS

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"A candle loses nothing lighting another candle." — Unknown From The Inside… Nationwide plans in place for Tuesday’s AT&T National Day Of Action. Trucks continue to turn away at GM plants. Last week’s nationwide radio tour (18 major markets) to be followed with another major blitz. Next week, the negotiating team returns to New York to secure our existing Network Class A structure and to pursue a similar approach in cable. Now is the time to redouble our efforts and give our negotiators as much leverage as possible. The next 72 Hours Are Crucial …because we are making a difference.  … just got off the phone with one of the strike captains in Detroit, who was incredibly amped about the impact   we are having there.  In case you didn’t know, actors from all over the Midwest have spent the last 3 weeks surrounding the GM plant in Detroit, and the teamsters have not crossed their lines.   Remember the words of Ghandi "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win."  Well, GM’s putting up a fight that’s why the next few days are so important, because we must keep the pressure on.  As they have been unwilling to negotiate with us of their own accord for the last 5 months, now they are forced to deal with us.  And it’s working….we can end this strike, and we can win it on FAIR TERMS, and isn’t fairness always worth fighting for??? Please show up for yourselves and for your fellow actors! (Find the strike actions & headquarters in your area and make your hour count!!! -Eds.) From a NY Member A "friendly" from the advertising world who shared this info: Ira Shepherd campaigned for the job to negotiate with the promise that he would bust the union. He gave them a "drop dead date" that he would make good on that guarantee. Of course, we asked when the date was. "It’s coming up," said the friendly, "and Ira’s broken quite a sweat about it." (Stay smart, people, watch out for crazy rumors, wild moves, anything to throw us off balance.  This is a very sensitive time. Be adult, think fast, move slowly and keep your heads on straight.  Save your emotions for the workplace.  -Eds.) CAUSE CELEBRE!!!!! From a NY Member…. XXXXX and I went to the US Open on Tuesday night, as guests of Street & Smith Sports Business Journal. Some of you may be familiar with a full page ad SAG placed urging athletes to honor the strike. The Journal is the bible of trade publications for athletes. We met John McEnroe, who was very charming and quite willing to talk with us. In the course of the conversation, John told us he turned down a "beer" commercial in June. When we asked him why this was never publicized, he cracked wise about the difference between the Seniors Tour and Andre Agassi. To loosely quote him, John felt that it was wrong to cross a picket line, so he didn’t. He didn’t refuse to shoot for some greater public glory. Evidenced by the fact that he turned down the commercial in June, and we heard about it for the first time this week! When we told him it was important for us to get the publicity, he gave us his blessing. I thought this might resonate with the rank and file: When we first introduced ourselves as SAG members, McEnroe said he’d gotten a call from SAG earlier this year, informing him that his insurance was going to run out because he didn’t have $7500 in SAG income. They later realized that a "beer" commercial he’d shot in February did in fact put him over the top. But he seemed miffed at the possibility that he was going to lose his insurance. He took a gold ribbon pin from us, and we posed for a photo op for the US Open photog. It should also be noted that a huge sports agent (Donald Dell), who reps over 700 athletes, many of them tennis players, was also there and spoke to us. He wished us good luck, and said he had advised his athletes to honor picket lines. He felt that was the right thing to do. He assured us that there have been plenty of athletes (union and non) that have honored picket lines and have done so without fanfare. We told him it was very heartening and very commendable, as most sports agents would not necessarily operate from such an ethical standpoint. Dealings with Mia Hamm had her agents fuming over her decision not to cross. It was her lawyer who advised her not to cross. Her lawyer, by the way, is a labor lawyer who negotiates for MANAGEMENT at the bargaining table. So every time you get angry at a Tiger Woods or a Lance Armstrong, know that there are plenty of athletes quietly doing the right thing that we don’t read about. ATHLETE OUTREACH in LA is working around the clock to get a press conference of notable Executive Directors of the big sports unions to reiterate their solidarity. We’re looking at the 8th or the 11th. More on this as it develops. But just wanted to let you know some good dirt from the Sports end of things. I guess John McEnroe doesn’t need to have a tantrum in public anymore. He did the right thing, and he did it quietly. Let’s thank The Late Show with David Letterman for having Tim Robbins on as a guest to speak on behalf of our Guild/Union members on strike! A few emails of appreciation are always appreciated and most effective! (Choose "Late Show with David Letterman" from the pulldown menu) http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/feedback/0,1611,412,00.html just an idea…. but that SCAB kurt warner (super bowl MVP from the Stl. Rams) who violated the NFLPA’s support of the SAG/AFTRA strike is having an on-line chat tues. night on NFL.com just thinking we should FLOOD them with a few THOUSAND questions regarding his being a scab & betraying his union & ours. a football fan & striking actor (Absolutely

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Are there any magazines devoted to accounting? I need to do a 650 word compare and contrast report from two articles

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If you were an aussie I could give you a couple, but I can tell you this. Find out the names of the professiojnal socities in your country (in australia it is the ASCPA, ACAA and the NSA) they will all put out monthly magazines which are incredible helpful. In the mean time http://www.cpaonline.com.au/ http://www.ascpa.com/ http://www.accountingnet.com/ I have a lot more URL’s (I am an accounting student) if you want anymore email me. cass.

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Louis, I can’t imagine anyone keeping an expensive boat sitting in a repair facility for 9 yrs.  If he had a legitimate claim, my guess is Whaler would have corrected it, or he would have won in court. — Jim "People who disagree with ME aren’t just wrong, they’re evil…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Something’s fishy here……why would he let the boat sit for so long? Even if the boat required $10,000 repairs, I would think that most people would have the work done – then gone after Whaler. I think its strange that a boat this expensive would sit for so long over a relatively inexpensive repair – litigation would have been in the owners favor. I have a 1999 commercial whaler – these boats are made for the military, coast guard etc – are not made to be tough not pretty -and are warranted for structural (not cosmetic) flaws. My boat was shipped with some cosmetic flaws -the boats cleats and rails needed to be re-powdercoated -the underside of the gunnels where rough – they needed to be taken off and gelled (this is no easy task) -my leaning post was shipped with no gel on the inside Whaler was contacted – they responded to the dealer – who was told to fix the boat to my satisfaction – period. The dealer had the boat for 2 weeks – everything fixed beyond my expectations. All the cosmetic NON-WARRANTY items I had issues with where fixed at Whalers expense. My suspicion about the boat is question stems from my current (and previous) experiences with Whaler – this story doesn’t sound right. Louie Received 1849 EDT via email: Thanks for the note.  I am curious now, what newsgroups are you referring to and what are they saying… As for the repairs.  Whaler directed me t oa former employee/manager who runs a repair yard down the street from the factory (he may even own it?).  I spoke to the gentleman wh ohas seen the boat and thought it cost no less that $2000 and maybe as much as $6500 to repair.  If they can drill one hole and blow foam in; that would be the least expensive repair.  If they have to remove glass and gelcoat to get to the effected areas the nthe cost rised because more man hours will be needed.  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. I have had dozens of inquiries and have tried to be as candid as possible. If you could direct me to the news groups I would enjoy seeing what they are saying. Mattias Your sale has stirred some controversy in the boating newsgroups. Any idea what Whaler would charge to correct the hull? David We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction. Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion. How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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I’m just glad my boat doesn’t have a foam core or wood.  I can see through my hull if I have one of the speaker holes open on the Sea Rayder.  It’s very light, inside the hull, if the sun is shining outside.  Can’t be any coring if there’s that much light coming through.  If someone holds their hand on the hull while looking at the light, inside, you can see their hand shadow very plainly in the translucent light. Larry

And you think being able to see through your hull is good? SA ***When I grow up, I wanna have a brown nose***

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m just glad my boat doesn’t have a foam core or wood.  I can see through my hull if I have one of the speaker holes open on the Sea Rayder.  It’s very light, inside the hull, if the sun is shining outside.  Can’t be any coring if there’s that much light coming through.  If someone holds their hand on the hull while looking at the light, inside, you can see their hand shadow very plainly in the translucent light. Larry And you think being able to see through your hull is good? SA

Listen, if I haven’t broken it to bits jumping tugboat wakes and ocean swells, yet, it’s gotta be made of the right stuff…..(c; Larry….

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We agree. He probably bought the boat as is, and is making up a story to sell it (based on his story I would imagine there is lots wrong with this hull that isn’t being disclosed). People who buy 27′ Whalers usually aren’t first time buyers, have lots of disposable income, and most probably can tell you their lawyer and accountants telephone numbers from memory. Louie PS delamination is a very legitimate claim on any boat.   Was he the original owner?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Louis, I can’t imagine anyone keeping an expensive boat sitting in a repair facility for 9 yrs.  If he had a legitimate claim, my guess is Whaler would have corrected it, or he would have won in court. — Jim "People who disagree with ME aren’t just wrong, they’re evil…" Something’s fishy here……why would he let the boat sit for so long? Even if the boat required $10,000 repairs, I would think that most people would have the work done – then gone after Whaler. I think its strange that a boat this expensive would sit for so long over a relatively inexpensive repair – litigation would have been in the owners favor. I have a 1999 commercial whaler – these boats are made for the military, coast guard etc – are not made to be tough not pretty -and are warranted for structural (not cosmetic) flaws. My boat was shipped with some cosmetic flaws -the boats cleats and rails needed to be re-powdercoated -the underside of the gunnels where rough – they needed to be taken off and gelled (this is no easy task) -my leaning post was shipped with no gel on the inside Whaler was contacted – they responded to the dealer – who was told to fix the boat to my satisfaction – period. The dealer had the boat for 2 weeks – everything fixed beyond my expectations. All the cosmetic NON-WARRANTY items I had issues with where fixed at Whalers expense. My suspicion about the boat is question stems from my current (and previous) experiences with Whaler – this story doesn’t sound right. Louie Received 1849 EDT via email: Thanks for the note.  I am curious now, what newsgroups are you referring to and what are they saying… As for the repairs.  Whaler directed me t oa former employee/manager who runs a repair yard down the street from the factory (he may even own it?).  I spoke to the gentleman wh ohas seen the boat and thought it cost no less that $2000 and maybe as much as $6500 to repair.  If they can drill one hole and blow foam in; that would be the least expensive repair.  If they have to remove glass and gelcoat to get to the effected areas the nthe cost rised because more man hours will be needed.  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. I have had dozens of inquiries and have tried to be as candid as possible. If you could direct me to the news groups I would enjoy seeing what they are saying. Mattias Your sale has stirred some controversy in the boating newsgroups. Any idea what Whaler would charge to correct the hull? David We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction. Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion. How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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Hehehee…question is, what kind of light source would be required? 100 M candel power search light, or just a candle? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – through the Sea Rayder hull? Rich Stern

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Brunswick makes a bowling pin that’s SO HARD it doesn’t even scuff when hit by a 16 lb bowling ball, over and over and over.   Why can’t they make a hull that doesn’t disintegrate when it comes in contact with a wooden dock??

Any boat company could use kevlar or other plastics that are more durable than FRP, but at what cost?  For that matter, why not just graduate to steel hulls? It’s possible to make a car that would be nearly impossible to get killed in. But the price and functionality would limit the market (dramatically), right? Few would benefit. through the Sea Rayder hull? Rich Stern

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I’m just glad my boat doesn’t have a foam core or wood.

There are some extraordinarily high quality boats that incorporate foam or wood or both. There are reasons to use both materials, and in the hands of people who know what they are doing, they work very well in boats. Brunswick makes a bowling pin that’s SO HARD it doesn’t even scuff when hit by a 16 lb bowling ball, over and over and over.   Why can’t they make a hull that doesn’t disintegrate when it comes in contact with a wooden dock?

And we can put a man on the moon, too. Or, rather, could. — Harry Krause – - – - – - – - – - – - Annoying: Two people who go right on talking when you’re interrupting

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Larry, Whaler no doubt honors it’s warranty committments.  But, that does not mean repairs need to take place at the plant.  Generally better all around if it is subbed out.  A nearby shop operated by a qualified person would be a good solution. Folks who build boats are not necessarily good at repairing boats. Butch

I’m just glad my boat doesn’t have a foam core or wood.  I can see through my hull if I have one of the speaker holes open on the Sea Rayder.  It’s very light, inside the hull, if the sun is shining outside.  Can’t be any coring if there’s that much light coming through.  If someone holds their hand on the hull while looking at the light, inside, you can see their hand shadow very plainly in the translucent light. Larry Brunswick makes a bowling pin that’s SO HARD it doesn’t even scuff when hit by a 16 lb bowling ball, over and over and over.   Why can’t they make a hull that doesn’t disintegrate when it comes in contact with a wooden dock??

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  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. Mattias

I’d certainly hope Whaler is still repairing boats that are under the long hull warranty.  To refuse to repair a hull, with the warranty still effective, would put them in breach of contract under Magnusson-Moss in several areas where the lawyers could make complete replacement costs of a  boat look like a pittance, compared to what the payout would be after the court battle…..if you get my drift. I’m going to be watching this very closely because my Sea Ray and your Whaler are part of the same Brunswick conglomerate corporation. Bayliner owners should also keep an eye on this. Larry

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Larry, Whaler no doubt honors it’s warranty committments.  But, that does not mean repairs need to take place at the plant.  Generally better all around if it is subbed out.  A nearby shop operated by a qualified person would be a good solution. Folks who build boats are not necessarily good at repairing boats. Butch

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. Mattias I’d certainly hope Whaler is still repairing boats that are under the long hull warranty.  To refuse to repair a hull, with the warranty still effective, would put them in breach of contract under Magnusson-Moss in several areas where the lawyers could make complete replacement costs of a  boat look like a pittance, compared to what the payout would be after the court battle…..if you get my drift. I’m going to be watching this very closely because my Sea Ray and your Whaler are part of the same Brunswick conglomerate corporation. Bayliner owners should also keep an eye on this.

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Something’s fishy here……why would he let the boat sit for so long? Even if the boat required $10,000 repairs, I would think that most people would have the work done – then gone after Whaler. I think its strange that a boat this expensive would sit for so long over a relatively inexpensive repair – litigation would have been in the owners favor. I have a 1999 commercial whaler – these boats are made for the military, coast guard etc – are not made to be tough not pretty -and are warranted for structural (not cosmetic) flaws. My boat was shipped with some cosmetic flaws -the boats cleats and rails needed to be re-powdercoated -the underside of the gunnels where rough – they needed to be taken off and gelled (this is no easy task) -my leaning post was shipped with no gel on the inside Whaler was contacted – they responded to the dealer – who was told to fix the boat to my satisfaction – period. The dealer had the boat for 2 weeks – everything fixed beyond my expectations. All the cosmetic NON-WARRANTY items I had issues with where fixed at Whalers expense. My suspicion about the boat is question stems from my current (and previous) experiences with Whaler – this story doesn’t sound right. Louie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Received 1849 EDT via email: Thanks for the note.  I am curious now, what newsgroups are you referring to and what are they saying… As for the repairs.  Whaler directed me t oa former employee/manager who runs a repair yard down the street from the factory (he may even own it?).  I spoke to the gentleman wh ohas seen the boat and thought it cost no less that $2000 and maybe as much as $6500 to repair.  If they can drill one hole and blow foam in; that would be the least expensive repair.  If they have to remove glass and gelcoat to get to the effected areas the nthe cost rised because more man hours will be needed.  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. I have had dozens of inquiries and have tried to be as candid as possible. If you could direct me to the news groups I would enjoy seeing what they are saying. Mattias Your sale has stirred some controversy in the boating newsgroups. Any idea what Whaler would charge to correct the hull? David We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction. Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion. How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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Received 1849 EDT via email: Thanks for the note.  I am curious now, what newsgroups are you referring to and what are they saying… As for the repairs.  Whaler directed me t oa former employee/manager who runs a repair yard down the street from the factory (he may even own it?).  I spoke to the gentleman wh ohas seen the boat and thought it cost no less that $2000 and maybe as much as $6500 to repair.  If they can drill one hole and blow foam in; that would be the least expensive repair.  If they have to remove glass and gelcoat to get to the effected areas the nthe cost rised because more man hours will be needed.  As a rule the factory does not repiar boats any longer.  Hope this helps. I have had dozens of inquiries and have tried to be as candid as possible. If you could direct me to the news groups I would enjoy seeing what they are saying. Mattias Your sale has stirred some controversy in the boating newsgroups. Any idea what Whaler would charge to correct the hull? David

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction.  Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion.  How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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Rich, My guess is that the web site is a way to "encourage" Boston Whaler to fix whatever the problem is "under Warrenty".  I can’t belive that the boat sat at BW for 8 or 9 yrs waiting to be fixed. Michael, Quality is definitely measurable, but I agree that perception of quality or lack there of will impact on the way someone views the product. — Jim "People who disagree with ME aren’t just wrong, they’re evil…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quality, or the lack of,  in today’s market has become more a subjective perception than a measurable commodity. The automobiles of this era are a good example. No one can deny that there has been dramatic increase in the quality of today’s cars, more so than ever before, and yet most of us older folks still refer to some brands, across the board, as dogs. We remember our old 1962 Dodge (Chevy, Ford) car or truck and, so be it, all Dodge (Chevy, Ford) cars or trucks are dogs forever more. Unless, of course, you look subjectively, and boats are no exception. Boats too, all of them, all brands, are much more reliable than they used to be. The problem is with our self-maintained perceptions, the brand decals that are afixed to the back of our minds rather than our rear windows, perceptions that can be fueled by the increasingly rare and uncommon problem referenced below in the Whaler comment. Today’s lack of quality is more likely to stem from dealings with people, not products. How different the scenario with the Whaler would be if someone at Whaler quickly resolved the problem to the customers satisfaction. What would his opinion of the Whaler brand then be? "I remember my old Whaler back in the late 90’s! Whadda boat is We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction. Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion. How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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lhfarm1 has an interesting auction history, mostly computer peripherals and software, cdr’s etc. For shit’s and grinns I emailed him asking if Whaler gave him a qoute to correct the hull. This happened to a couple of Scituate men around fifteen years ago on their shakedown run on a new Whaler 21 0r 23. They were steaming along in Cape Cod bay when one of the men noticed water coming through the deck sole. Moments later the hull split in half down the centerline. It was early spring in 42 degree water, one survived to tell his tale to the Boston Globe. I wouldn’t go near this one. David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction.  Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion.  How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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My guess is that the web site is a way to "encourage" Boston Whaler to fix whatever the problem is "under Warrenty".  I can’t belive that the boat sat at BW for 8 or 9 yrs waiting to be fixed.

Jim, I don’t think so.  It’s an ebay ad.  Putting it out there is a commitment to sell it in a short amount of time, so I don’t think this is about leverage against the manufacturer. Rich Stern

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Rich, Many of ebay ads have "reserve" prices, which really doesn’t make it a bid, just a place to sell a product.  I assumed that this item had a reserve price, it does not. This could be one hell of a great deal, or one hell of a expensive nightmare.  I saved the site to see what it finally sells for. — Jim "People who disagree with ME aren’t just wrong, they’re evil…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My guess is that the web site is a way to "encourage" Boston Whaler to fix whatever the problem is "under Warrenty".  I can’t belive that the boat sat at BW for 8 or 9 yrs waiting to be fixed. Jim, I don’t think so.  It’s an ebay ad.  Putting it out there is a commitment to sell it in a short amount of time, so I don’t think this is about leverage against the manufacturer. Rich Stern

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Very interesting story on the boat.  I wouldn’t touch it for any price.  It has reportedly been in outside storage for ~9 years with an inner/outer hull delamination.  Do you think it might be repairable within the normal selling price of the boat? I wonder what the storage charges are for ~9 years of storage?  Do you think Whaler provides free storage? Based on Whaler’s excellent reputation for dealing with people, I’ll speculate that the owner put a lawyer into the picture.  Once the laywers get involved the stew is usually ruined.  Let’s see… my client lost the use of the boat for X seasons so you owe us a new boat plus $4 million.  Gotta earn my fee, you know. ;=) Butch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – peripherals and software, cdr’s etc. For shit’s and grinns I emailed him asking if Whaler gave him a qoute to correct the hull. This happened to a couple of Scituate men around fifteen years ago on their shakedown run on a new Whaler 21 0r 23. They were steaming along in Cape Cod bay when one of the men noticed water coming through the deck sole. Moments later the hull split in half down the centerline. It was early spring in 42 degree water, one survived to tell his tale to the Boston Globe. I wouldn’t go near this one. David We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction.  Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion.  How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed.

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We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction.  Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion.  How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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Quality, or the lack of,  in today’s market has become more a subjective perception than a measurable commodity. The automobiles of this era are a good example. No one can deny that there has been dramatic increase in the quality of today’s cars, more so than ever before, and yet most of us older folks still refer to some brands, across the board, as dogs. We remember our old 1962 Dodge (Chevy, Ford) car or truck and, so be it, all Dodge (Chevy, Ford) cars or trucks are dogs forever more. Unless, of course, you look subjectively, and boats are no exception. Boats too, all of them, all brands, are much more reliable than they used to be. The problem is with our self-maintained perceptions, the brand decals that are afixed to the back of our minds rather than our rear windows, perceptions that can be fueled by the increasingly rare and uncommon problem referenced below in the Whaler comment. Today’s lack of quality is more likely to stem from dealings with people, not products. How different the scenario with the Whaler would be if someone at Whaler quickly resolved the problem to the customers satisfaction. What would his opinion of the Whaler brand then be? "I remember my old Whaler back in the late 90’s! Whadda boat is

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We spend a lot of words in this newsgroup discussing the reputation of various brands, both good and bad. Here’s a Boston Whaler for sale on Ebay.  It’s an interesting auction. Nice looking boat, probably a hell of a fishing machine.  Drawback:  Some hull delamination during warranty period, never fixed because of some sort of dispute.  Boat is laid up at the factory. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=173720364 I don’t know the story, but I thought it would make a good discussion.  How good are Whalers?   How good is the company since this boat never got fixed. Rich Stern

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Ed, the client in question is approaching 25 employees and a lot of transactions.  Its just slowing down too much.  It still works, but obviously QBs Job Cost capabilities were never anything to write home about.  For my information, I want to know a mid range package that is easy for one person to operate.  

I think the key issue is going to be the capabilities of that one bookkeeper.  Jim has mentioned a couple of options, though I note that in each case there seemed to be an experienced and capable bookkeeper in place.  *That* is generally a very important issue because I’ve found there are some people who simply aren’t capable of handling any program complexity and/or accounting terminology–in essence, the very thing Jim talked about for flight training. In that case, you might end up having to deal with a personnel issue as well as a software issue when you try and upgrade–and that can be problematical if the current bookkeeper is the owner’s kid or spouse. Because if the client’s only complaint is speed, what they likely *want* is a QuickBooks on steriods <grin.

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Michael, Here are a few suggestions that may fit into the upper end of your budget, but are not as High end as DYnamics, etc. Vigilant (just came out with a 32bit windows version ) Business Vision (again they have a 32 bit application as well) Red Wing ( Their software is based in Access so the reporting is very good and the user interface is similar to MS Office so the learning curve is decreased) What industry is your client in?  There may be some industry specific software that might be suitable as well. Best of Luck (Now that we are on the right wave-length for you) David Spence – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, everyone.  I am just talking the hard costs for the software. Hardware will have to be upgraded and the setup and training time are being budgeted in the 4 to 5 thousand dollar range….

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Ed, the client in question is approaching 25 employees and a lot of transactions.  Its just slowing down too much.  It still works, but obviously QBs Job Cost capabilities were never anything to write home about.  For my information, I want to know a mid range package that is easy for one person to operate.  

Are you running on a network? You can about double speed (especially if less than 100mh or more than 6 users, even if QB is single user) by not using a network. We often copy QB files to local drives, work on them and then copy back to the network. QB99 has an anti-network warning which certainly should have been in earlier versions. Of course, this does not say much for QB multi-user capability, which we often use, even though it is much slower. Do you use less than 64m of main memory, W98, NT or several programs at once, besides QB? That is not enough. At current prices, 64k to 128k is cheap and can put QB on steroids. If the audit trail is on, it slows QB a lot. How big is your QB file? It really starts to slow down after 30m. Do you bill with QB, so it cannot condense transactions? Have you reconciled all asset accounts, not just cash accounts, and then condensed? mike block I think the key issue is going to be the capabilities of that one bookkeeper.  Jim has mentioned a couple of options, though I note that in each case there seemed to be an experienced and capable bookkeeper in place.  *That* is generally a very important issue because I’ve found there are some people who simply aren’t capable of handling any program complexity and/or accounting terminology–in essence, the very thing Jim talked about for flight training. In that case, you might end up having to deal with a personnel issue as well as a software issue when you try and upgrade–and that can be problematical if the current bookkeeper is the owner’s kid or spouse. Because if the client’s only complaint is speed, what they likely *want* is a QuickBooks on steriods <grin.

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At blue lake, one of the race organizers (AA sports) said the water for the 1/2 Ironmans was currently in the 40s. Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26? You can look at AA Sports website:  www.racecenter.com.  Rumor has it that the water temperature is even colder this year, due to the record amount of snowfall.  I’ll be there with my neoprene swimcap on! Richard Ling

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?  

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?

Here’s my race report from last year… The 1998 Pacific Crest Triathlon delivered spectacular scenery, great people and a wonderful day.  The race was very well organized, one major exception not withstanding.  The swim was hands down the best I’ve ever seen: absolutely luxurious, even to the point of having two warming/changing tents with hot soup available, and carpet from the swim finish up the beach and into T1.  I’d bet the course measurement was within 1% or so.  Snow capped mountains in the background completed an amazing picture.  The water was cold — 56 degrees, like Pacific Grove but without the kelp.  One more thing to blame on El Nino — it’s what you have to deal with if you do a tri in the mountains this year, I guess.  At least I was ready for it.  Me and brain freeze are old friends.  Ask anybody. The bike route had amazing vistas, and the run was flat enough to be very fast, legs willing.  Check in and pre/post race amenities and entertainment were excellent, and transportation out to the swim start (it was a point-to-point bike ride) went off without a hitch.  We’d checked in our bikes the day before,  and they bused us out the next morning.  Or, you could have someone drive you out race morning, if you so chose — start time was 10:30 a.m.  Vineman could learn a lot about logistics from this race. The altitude was kind of sneaky.  You go from a swim at about 4850 feet down to the run at 4,200 feet and the effects creep up on you.  Not like Donner where you know right away you’re out of breath.  Just subtly wears you down, like wearing a 15 pound pack.  After four or five hours, you start to notice it’s there.  Usually, I get a second wind on the run.  Didn’t happen this time. Once the snap was gone, it was gone for good. The major exception was on-course aid.  Only three aid stations on the bike, and all they had was water.  Well, two of them had water — in half-liter bottles that wouldn’t stay put in a bottle cage.  The other one was dry when I got there.  On the run, there were aid stations of a sort about every two miles — arguably adequate for the half marathon they had in the morning, but dangerous for a half-IM.  Except for one that had Gatorade, they were all water-only as well.  Some were unattended.  Warm water in cups left on a table, and you had to stop and sort it out.  Except for the soup at T1, there was no food, no Powerbars, no GU, no nothing for fuel or electrolyte replacement, again excepting that one cup of Gatorade on the run.  If it had been just a few degrees hotter it would have been very, very ugly.  I’ve learned to carry my own stuff, so I was OK, but you can only carry so much.  OK is not optimal. A minor glitch was an active railroad crossing right at the beginning.  Based on the schedule they gave us just before the start, some people must have been caught by a train, but the swim coordinator said they would have volunteers with stopwatches at the crossing and adjust times if necessary.  I didn’t hear anyone complain about it after the race.  I’d assume it was as exquisitely managed as everything else in that gentleman’s bailiwick. All in all, and excepting aid stations, I’d say it was up to the standards of the best races I’ve been to, and even beyond in terms of some production values, like free massages, finisher medals and the like.  AA Sports clearly has its act together when it comes to accounting and operations management, which is something the business consultant in me really appreciates.  It means they have the systems in place which can correct their support problem, if they so choose.  It also means that they’re likelier than some to be around for the long haul. It was a small race, some 200-odd people, which makes some things easy, but makes other, important things hard, due to lack of cash flow.  If they fix the aid stations and beef up their marketing, this could easily become a destination race.  The venue is as good as it gets and the Sunriver Resort, where the HQ is, has enough going on to keep the rest of the family occupied for the weekend.  AA Sports is clearly investing in the creation of a unique atmosphere, like, say, Wildflower and Donner have succeeded in doing.  That’s an asset that should pay dividends in the future.  I plan on going back.  Hope to see you there. Tellus Venture Associates "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win."  R.A.H.

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?

You can look at AA Sports website:  www.racecenter.com.  Rumor has it that the water temperature is even colder this year, due to the record amount of snowfall.  I’ll be there with my neoprene swimcap on! Richard Ling

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I also raced Pacific Crest last year.  For me, it was a completely mixed bag.  I really liked the course, and, in fact, I’ve not gone faster on a 1/2 IM anywhere else. First of all – as of last week, there was a foot and a half of snow at the lake, and the water temp was rumored to be 45 degrees.   Word around town has it that the race will either be a duathlon, or the swim will be shortened to something like a 500. The water was clear and the 10.30a start was great.  But, it was seriously COLD.  I think 56 degrees was a generous estimate.  But, after about 10 minutes, my hands, feet, and face became numb enough to where I felt ok. The ride is rather scenic.  However, it is not at all technical.  There are only something like 4 turns.  I’ve done a lot of riding in that area, and was a bit disappointed to have to simply put my head down and peddle straight on.   Then again, it does make for a rather fast bike split.  Not much climbing involved at all, which is a good thing at that alititude.  The last 10 plus miles are actually downhill. The run is through the resort at Sunriver.  Fast and flat.  And lots of good spots for spectators. Logistically, ask anyone in Oregon about AA sports and you’ll get all sorts of responses.  This is not an organization of athletes who necessarily understand what athletes need on a course.  Thus, there were problems getting enough liquid in on the course (not to mention no food all day).   For those of us carrying our own food & plety of liquid, this was not a problem.  For others, though, it was tough.  There were a lot of people racing there who were used to cooler climates, and had a hard time with the dry, sunny, weather and temperatures in the 80’s.   I saw some serious bonks out there.  However, if you are prepared to support yourself, you can have a crackin’ good race. AA sports does a great job of providing an "overall racing experience for the family."  There is entertainment and other distractions for the family.  If you’re thinking of travelling, Sunriver is a good destination. Also, last year, this race was a qualifier for Long Course Worlds.  If it is again this year, it’s probably not too tough to qualify. For more information on the race, check out www.racecenter.com Will I do it again?  No, for two reasons.  One, the lack of support really, really left a bad taste in my mouth last year.  Two, it interferes with IM Switzerland. Good luck, and let us know how it goes this year if you race. — Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I am trying to set up my company in Quickbooks 6.0, when I invoice the customers the income account and accounts receivable account are used, but when they pay these invoices sometimes I need to use different accounts to distribute them to eg: payable accounts.  Is there any answer to my dilemma about distributing these to more than just the income account. Thanks, Julie

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When you enter a Deposit, you can apply it to any account, the following are the basic instructions: Depositing payments: 1       From the Activities menu, choose Make Deposits. 2       If you have payments to deposit, click the ones you’d like to deposit now. 3       Click OK. Note: To return to the list of payments to deposit, click the Pmts. button. 4       In the Make Deposits window, select the account you’d like to deposit into. 5       Indicate whether you are getting cash back. If you spent some of your cash sales receipts during the day, follow the steps for getting cash back to enter the expenditures in QuickBooks. 6       (Optional) If you are depositing a payment made by credit card, you can enter the credit card fees as a negative amount and charge them to an expense account by listing the fees on a separate line in the Make Deposits window. 7       In the detail area of the Make Deposits window, enter any deposits that did not come from customer payments. 8       Click OK. If you have any more questions, just let me know. Thanks, Steve Bookkeeping 2000 Quick Books Professional Advisor Computer Consultant – Tax Prepare – Educator/Trainer – Accountant(Not CPA) – Bookkeeper(Current becoming Certified) http://pages.prodigy.net/bookkeeping 1200 East Huntington Drive – Suite 101 – Duarte, CA 91010 (626) 935-3375

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am trying to set up my company in Quickbooks 6.0, when I invoice the customers the income account and accounts receivable account are used, but when they pay these invoices sometimes I need to use different accounts to distribute them to eg: payable accounts.  Is there any answer to my dilemma about distributing these to more than just the income account. Thanks, Julie

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Who says smart folks can’t be idiots? — I have nothing to say

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary There is a homily that correlates success with persistence, (I wish I could remember the whole thing word for word).  Something about success being dependent on persistence, not talent, or brains, or education, etc, etc. I work for a huge multinational conclomerate, and I believe that it’s true.  You don’t *have* to be smart, educated, talented, tall, good looking, white, or male (although all of these help);  to succeed in a corp hiearchy requires only ambition, the ability to conform, and *persistence*.  That’s the reason for teaching us the fairy tale about the rabbit and the hare. John / Barbarossa "tortoise" and the hare is what you meant. Geni

jesus!  I can’t believe I typed "rabbit and hare" when I meant "tortoise and hare"!(and you would be the one to catch it!) I must have been thinking of a certain white-eared rabbit.  Or was that a white-eared hare? (sorry everybody, that’s an inside joke – ask *miss editor* here to explain it) John / Barbarossa

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: Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? : Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing : something? : Mary Hmmm, well……   To argue for the other side, think of the job that a "higher up" has to do.  They need to know about your area, and other areas as well.  Perhaps they were hired from a different area in the company, or were hired because they knew how to bullshit their way into the position (the "manager trainees wanted!!" ads always crack me up.  training managers *without* having them learn the parts of the company??).  And if you are a manager, you need to know something about everything, and unfortunately it will likely be ***very*** much less than the people actually doing that job.  Like the manager that started in accounting or something, trying to know something about advertisements, or store layout, or customer service — to the extent someone in that field/position would.   Not very plausible.   My thought:  Yes, they are idiots a lot of the time, but not because they are complete idiots in everything, maybe they just know a little about everything and balance a bit better than someone who knows everything about part of the company.  Not to forget the "bullshitting" talent that many "higher ups" need. dudelcat hoping to be at least somewhat less a moron when she gets a job and can tell people what to do  :P

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary

inbreeding.  we learned from the crown heads of europe to put family in the best paying jobs then mary them off to a cousin. dennis "our compliments to the M-5 unit. and regards to captain dunsail."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary Haven’t you ever read Dilbert?  Your rise to the top of any corporation is in inverse proportion to your ability to run that corporation, (or something like that).

i believe you refer to the well adheared to rule of management called "the peter principle" a person will always rise to his highest level of incompetence. dennis "our compliments to the M-5 unit. and regards to captain dunsail."

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary

Join your local chapter of WATSMMHATTAH? Why Are There So Many More Horse’s Asses Than There Are Horses? Geni

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary There is a homily that correlates success with persistence, (I wish I could remember the whole thing word for word).  Something about success being dependent on persistence, not talent, or brains, or education, etc, etc. I work for a huge multinational conclomerate, and I believe that it’s true.  You don’t *have* to be smart, educated, talented, tall, good looking, white, or male (although all of these help);  to succeed in a corp hiearchy requires only ambition, the ability to conform, and *persistence*.  That’s the reason for teaching us the fairy tale about the rabbit and the hare. John / Barbarossa

"tortoise" and the hare is what you meant. Geni

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The Peter Principle: "One rises to the level of one’s incompetence."  That is, when you do

I hate to have to correct you — well ok, I don’t hate it, I like it.  But  I don’t like liking it. The Peter Principle actually states  "Given enough rungs in the hierarchy, an employee will tend to rise to his or her level of incompetence."  Some people just are too COMPETENT to reach their level of incompetence in small organizations.  If you prove to be too much of an obstacle you can also be LATERALLY promoted. I’ve got the book ‘The Peter Principle’ if any one would like it.  It’s kind of entertaining. He does little case studies of situations. — Don

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons?

Height is a better predictor of income and promotion than is either education or intelligence. Certain facial characteristics, speech patterns (voices), and even family background are right up there too. Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something?

It is all a matter of opportunity. Some people get more than others. Who gets more opportunity is not related to intelligence as much as it is to visible genotype. We live in a bully’s world of appearances. Books are judged by their covers – ask anyone in publishing. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary

There is a homily that correlates success with persistence, (I wish I could remember the whole thing word for word).  Something about success being dependent on persistence, not talent, or brains, or education, etc, etc. I work for a huge multinational conclomerate, and I believe that it’s true.  You don’t *have* to be smart, educated, talented, tall, good looking, white, or male (although all of these help);  to succeed in a corp hiearchy requires only ambition, the ability to conform, and *persistence*.  That’s the reason for teaching us the fairy tale about the rabbit and the hare. John / Barbarossa

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary

Haven’t you ever read Dilbert?  Your rise to the top of any corporation is in inverse proportion to your ability to run that corporation, (or something like that).   "Somebody get me out of here    I’m tearing at myself    Nobody gives a damn about me    Or anybody else"             "Garbage – Medication"

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The Peter Principle: "One rises to the level of one’s incompetence."  That is, when you do your job well, they promote to the next job up the ladder, and they keep doing that till you hit a job you do badly.  Then they don’t promote.   They don’t fire you, but they don’t promote you.  And Voila!  You are professionally incompetent.  don’t know about most industries, but this is true in the church,  Just look at any judicatory staff person.  What idiots! — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.                                         Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Why is it that so many intelligent people work for morons? Are idiots better able to run businesses than smart folk? Am I missing something? Mary

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carl bennett wrote: > I know the Damerons personally, and I just wanted to point out that any > checks sent to the > address in Mr. Dameron’s post do not go directly to him. The address is > a mail drop that > is administered by the accounting firm that Mr. Dameron employs for his > business and personal affairs. The checks are deposited into a seperate > bank account by the accounting firm. > As far as why things were set up this particular way, I’m not quite > sure. I guess that is between Mr. Dameron and his accountant.

Who is Carl Bennett?  He’s never posted here before.  Isn’t it curious that when people are pointing out this may be a scam, a friend pops out of the woodwork in defense.  You only make it look more lioke a scam. If this were legitimate you would be giving the address of a trustee, not defending the curious arrangement. Since neither of these people has never posted here before, they should be greeted with great skepticism.   — I  |   Randall Bart L  |/   mailto:Barti…@usa.spam.net    Barti…@worldnet.att.spam.net o  |   1-310-542-6013                       Please reply without spam v  |      Todd McCormick released after 12 day illegal incarceration e    | for using Marinol w/ prescription: http://www.freecannabis.org Y    |/     http://www.marijuanamagazine.com/toc/articles/toddfree.htm o    | Panic in the Year Zero Zero:  http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00   u    |/ Is it easy yet?:http://members.aol.com/PanicYr00/Sequence.html

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Dear Friends: This is David Dameron posting to let everyone know that I have been conducting an experiment on the Internet. I was the person who posted the message regarding raising money for my daughter who was in need of a liver transplant. Well, the story was a complete fabrication on my part and was used only to raise the issue of fradulant fundraising on the Internet. I am a freelance writer, mostly writing consumer information type articles for newspapers and magazines. I am in the process of writing an article on the subject of Internet scams and frauds. After completing the article, I will submit it to my local newspapers in the hope that it will help people avoid being ripped off by unscrupulous ads, spams, or pleas for money by "needy" individuals. I also hope to submit my article to an appropriate Internet website that deals with this particular subject matter. I have accumulated a lot of valuable information from the numerous e-mail messages that I’ve received, and also from the many newsgroup postings responding to my original post. I will be incorporating much of this information into my article. As far as any money that might have been donated to my "cause", it will all be returned to the individuals who donated it, along with a thank you note for their generosity and a warning to be more careful in the future about responding to these types of unsubstantiated pleas for money. I apologize if I have upset or angered anyone in the course of conducting my research. I feel that a lot of very important issues were raised and discussed on the subject of Internet frauds and scams, and I hope that we are all a bit wiser as a result. I have contacted my local police department regarding my motivation and intent in conducting this fact finding experiment. Best regards, David Dameron —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

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In article <1998042116302200.MAA01…@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mjknpe…@aol.com (MJKNPETER) writes: >Am I a terrible skeptic?  I just wonder why the checks should go to this guy >personally and not to a  trust fund set up in his daughter’s name at , say, >the >local bank.

I’m with you!  If this is legitimate, I would recommend that a trust fund be set up by the father at a local bank and that the trustee be someone other than the parents. That is what is customary and correct in this age of swindlers and internet crooks.  Until then, little Marie just gets my prayers–not my money. : Mother of 2 children with T.S+., OCD. ADHD

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I must agree, unfortunatly.  This day and age brings to many scam artists preying on people’s hearts.  To the person who posted I apologize deeply for my remarks but please set up the trust to go directly to the hospital in your daughter’s name with a phone number at the hospital..  Re-post and people will be more willing to help.  God Bless you and your family. Nannette – Net1…@aol.com

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I know the Damerons personally, and I just wanted to point out that any checks sent to the address in Mr. Dameron’s post do not go directly to him. The address is a mail drop that is administered by the accounting firm that Mr. Dameron employs for his business and personal affairs. The checks are deposited into a seperate bank account by the accounting firm. As far as why things were set up this particular way, I’m not quite sure. I guess that is between Mr. Dameron and his accountant.

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>PRE>Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP SAVE OUR DAUGHTER’S LIFE ! >From:

Am I a terrible skeptic?  I just wonder why the checks should go to this guy personally and not to a  trust fund set up in his daughter’s name at , say, the local bank.  This is how I’ve always seen it done for legitimate claims in my home town. Janice

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######################################################## I apologize for this off-topic post to this newsgroup, but my wife and I desperately need help in order to save our 16 month old daughter’s life. Our little girl, Marie Jessica Dameron, suffers from a congenital liver ailment called Biliary Atresia. Infants born with this serious ailment rarely live past the age of two. Marie desperately needs a liver transplant in order for her to survive. But the estimated cost of the liver transplant surgery is around $100,000. Unfortunately, our insurance will not pay for it. My wife and I started a fundraising campaign in our hometown area about two months ago. With the help of hundreds of caring people, we were able to raise about $35,000. But we are still far short of our goal. We need to raise at least another $65,000 by the end of July 1998 in order to guarantee that Marie will get a new liver. Marie has already been accepted at a transplant center, meaning that her name has been placed on a waiting list. She is now in line to receive a liver donation sometime during the next 3 to 6 months. But this is contingent upon my wife and I raising the $100,000 to pay for the transplant surgery. If we can’t raise the necessary funds, our daughter’s name will be taken off the waiting list. She will then eventually die from liver failure, probably before the end of 1998. Every day my wife and I pray for a miracle to happen for our little girl. We know there are a lot of good and caring people across the United States. We are praying that enough of you will come to our daughter’s aid and help save her life, for which my wife and I will be eternally grateful. Please help us save Marie’s life by donating whatever amount you can. No amount is too small. Any and all donations will be greatly and lovingly appreciated. If you can’t afford to donate any money to our daughter’s cause, please help by saying a prayer for her. God bless all of you and thank you from the bottom of our hearts. As I am typing this message, my wife and daughter are several hundred miles away in Northern California, where Marie is undergoing a series of medical tests in preparation for her anticipated surgery later this year. For those who can afford to, please send your donations to the following address: David Dameron 12011 Victory Blvd. #104-98 North Hollywood, CA 91606 All donations will be acknowledged and a follow-up letter will be sent after Marie’s anticipated upcoming surgery. My wife and I have arranged to have any donated amount that is above what is necessary to pay for our daughter’s surgery to be given to a pre-selected local charity that provides care for children with leukemia. Please pass this message along to others who might not see this post. Thank you very much and God bless you. ——————————————————– —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - (fundraisi…@webtv.net) writes: > ######################################################## > I apologize for this off-topic post to this newsgroup, > but my wife and I desperately need help in order to save > our 16 month old daughter’s life. Our little girl, Marie > Jessica Dameron, suffers from a congenital liver ailment > called Biliary Atresia. Infants born with this serious > ailment rarely live past the age of two. > Marie desperately needs a liver transplant in order for > her to survive. But the estimated cost of the liver > transplant surgery is around $100,000. Unfortunately, > our insurance will not pay for it. > My wife and I started a fundraising campaign in our > hometown area about two months ago. With the help of > hundreds of caring people, we were able to raise about > $35,000. But we are still far short of our goal. We > need to raise at least another $65,000 by the end of > July 1998 in order to guarantee that Marie will get a > new liver. > Marie has already been accepted at a transplant center, > meaning that her name has been placed on a waiting list. > She is now in line to receive a liver donation sometime > during the next 3 to 6 months. > But this is contingent upon my wife and I raising the > $100,000 to pay for the transplant surgery. If we can’t > raise the necessary funds, our daughter’s name will be > taken off the waiting list. She will then eventually die > from liver failure, probably before the end of 1998. > Every day my wife and I pray for a miracle to happen for > our little girl. We know there are a lot of good and > caring people across the United States. We are praying > that enough of you will come to our daughter’s aid and > help save her life, for which my wife and I will be > eternally grateful. > Please help us save Marie’s life by donating whatever > amount you can. No amount is too small. Any and all > donations will be greatly and lovingly appreciated. > If you can’t afford to donate any money to our > daughter’s cause, please help by saying a prayer for > her. God bless all of you and thank you from the bottom > of our hearts. > As I am typing this message, my wife and daughter are > several hundred miles away in Northern California, where > Marie is undergoing a series of medical tests in > preparation for her anticipated surgery later this year. > For those who can afford to, please send your donations > to the following address: > David Dameron > 12011 Victory Blvd. #104-98 > North Hollywood, CA 91606 > All donations will be acknowledged and a follow-up > letter will be sent after Marie’s anticipated upcoming > surgery. > My wife and I have arranged to have any donated amount > that is above what is necessary to pay for our > daughter’s surgery to be given to a pre-selected local > charity that provides care for children with leukemia. > Please pass this message along to others who might not > see this post. Thank you very much and God bless you. > ——————————————————– > —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– > http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

Hi: I will certainly say a prayer for your little girl and your family.I will also offer up a Rosary for her intentions, and keep in mind that God loves her, is watching over her, and can, in fact, provide miracles at times, and will always give you the strength you will need for this and any other hardships that might come one’s way.God Bless. Irina, mother of 7. — ******* IRINA SHOUSHOUNOVA bo693 or Love…@ottawa.com *******            Happiness and blessing are the reward of          those who accept  the Gospel and the Saviour. ******** Home Page: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bo693 ********

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