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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business? I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious. But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"? In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at? Rodney

"I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious.". Then clearly, money is not at it’s end. Jesus, man. I have my own (one man) company, and it is running into the ground. I owe back taxes that keep me awake at night. The IT industry for freelance and permanent people in the UK has been destroyed post-Sept 11, and here we are in a deep, deep recession. The difference for me is that there are *no* damn suitable jobs. The market is empty, dormant. People aren’t hiring. There’s no parachute, either contract (through my company) or permanent. I spend every waking hour chasing possibilities, as I have for the last four months. And I’m spending my days trying to dismember the carcass of my company in anticipation of the inevitable, bitter end. "I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious." ?  Holy fuck. I’m speechless. Unless you employ a few people, at least a decent job would allow you to keep your business simmering while you rebuild things. "I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else.".  Yeah, so would I (given the chance).  But it would pay my rent, at least. The one thing that puts me in perspective is watching the news every day, and realising that far shittier things are happening to other people around the world through no fault of their own. And that makes me humble. Get a clue, man. (Admittedly not the most tactful first post to alt.support.depression. Sorry.)

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If your business can’t support you….get a job. Tell yourself that financial stability will improve your outlook and lessen your depression.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business? I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious. But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"? In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at? Rodney

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snip In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at?

Could you side-line the computer business and combine it with some camera-work?  If you have both photographic and IT skills and interests, could they be profitably combined? What are you ambitious /for/?  Wealth? Fame? Power? Independance? Leisure? ….? If you are Clinically Depressed then that’s going to be with you whatever you do, so I’d say coming to terms with that has to be among your priorities.  ’Talking therapy’ might well help sort out ways of getting through the business, financial, and personal stuff too. Just my thoughts, for what they’re worth. — —  Whiskers

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You said exactly what I was thinking. We had a business for 5 years. It did well for a while, but due to some accounting diasters, we now owe the IRS $ 40,000. My husband took a job outside his field to keep the cash flow going while the business dissolved, I am now working again (we have 2 school age children and one preschooler)  trying to rebuild our savings and retirement fund and keep the day to daystuff going. Ambition is great, but it can only take you so far, and sometimes even leads you astray. Thank god for Prozac. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business? I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious. But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"? In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at? Rodney "I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious.". Then clearly, money is not at it’s end. Jesus, man. I have my own (one man) company, and it is running into the ground. I owe back taxes that keep me awake at night. The IT industry for freelance and permanent people in the UK has been destroyed post-Sept 11, and here we are in a deep, deep recession. The difference for me is that there are *no* damn suitable jobs. The market is empty, dormant. People aren’t hiring. There’s no parachute, either contract (through my company) or permanent. I spend every waking hour chasing possibilities, as I have for the last four months. And I’m spending my days trying to dismember the carcass of my company in anticipation of the inevitable, bitter end. "I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious." ?  Holy fuck. I’m speechless. Unless you employ a few people, at least a decent job would allow you to keep your business simmering while you rebuild things. "I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else.".  Yeah, so would I (given the chance).  But it would pay my rent, at least. The one thing that puts me in perspective is watching the news every day, and realising that far shittier things are happening to other people around the world through no fault of their own. And that makes me humble. Get a clue, man. (Admittedly not the most tactful first post to alt.support.depression. Sorry.)

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Kinda know what you mean, for me it is university, every time I try and give it a go I become depressed and I cannot tell whether the depression is caused by university or whether it was going to happen regardless. Do you enjoy your business?  Maybe it is better to work on your depression and then sort everything else out, I am not reaaly 100% sure, whatever works for you.

I think dealing with people in general in my business is causing me grief as I am a computer repair person. Clients never happy and because I am unhappy (or depressed) I let clients down in some self-destructive behaviour (take too long to get job done, never on time, etc etc.). I don’t think I really enjoy my business but the freedom it gives me I enjoy. I enjoy operating a business but do not enjoy MY business. I used to be a freelance tv cameraperson and I loved that. Having a business means I can stop work and go for a drive whenever I want (as an example). I work very hard for little money (which is decreasing with the help of the depression). I have a mortgage and other debts so this is a BIG problem for me. Thanks Rodney

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Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business?

I think it’s time to work on the depression and fold the business. Do you have employees, do they know your mental and financial situation? You may wish to let them in on what is going on. Could one of them run the business while you get your depression teated? I had a boss who, under financial pressure, sat in his tub one morning with a gun to his head. His then wife stopped him from pulling the trigger. You really have to take care of your own head first before you can work, let alone run a business. I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious.

Having a job and high ambition are two different things? Do you not wish to have a ‘boss’? Is that the case?  But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"?

Not taking care of your head when it is not right is not right. In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at?

You want it all on your own terms? Why have you always hated it when you have worked for someone else? Is that a part of the causes of your depression? Good luck, Ed

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Kinda know what you mean, for me it is university, every time I try and give it a go I become depressed and I cannot tell whether the depression is caused by university or whether it was going to happen regardless. Do you enjoy your business?  Maybe it is better to work on your depression and then sort everything else out, I am not reaaly 100% sure, whatever works for you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business? I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious. But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"? In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at? Rodney

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Well folks, I feel a little better today, not so tired and not so clogged up. Maybe it’s the magnesium…. In a previous post I stated I am having business problems. Well, I am but I have a question: If your own business is going bad and money is at its end, is it time to get a job or do you work on your depression first and attempt to hang in there with the business? I do not really want to get a job – I am too ambitious. But should I get a job for money or is that the wrong thing to do when your head is "not right"? In other words, I don’t want to get a job if it is depression causing my business problems. I will last a week in the job and hate it as I always have done when I have been employed by someone else. Know what I am getting at? Rodney

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kinda know what you mean, for me it is university, every time I try and give it a go I become depressed and I cannot tell whether the depression is caused by university or whether it was going to happen regardless. Do you enjoy your business?  Maybe it is better to work on your depression and then sort everything else out, I am not reaaly 100% sure, whatever works for you. I think dealing with people in general in my business is causing me grief as I am a computer repair person. Clients never happy and because I am unhappy (or depressed) I let clients down in some self-destructive behaviour (take too long to get job done, never on time, etc etc.). I don’t think I really enjoy my business but the freedom it gives me I enjoy. I enjoy operating a business but do not enjoy MY business. I used to be a freelance tv cameraperson and I loved that. Having a business means I can stop work and go for a drive whenever I want (as an example). I work very hard for little money (which is decreasing with the help of the depression). I have a mortgage and other debts so this is a BIG problem for me. Thanks Rodney

Sounds like something you have to answer yourself.  I think you have to like what you do on some level.  People talk about having a passion for your business.  I think that concept can be a little overdone.  How many people can find work that they would do anyway even if they didn’t get paid?  There are too many jobs out there that need doing that are simply work. I run a small cleaning business.  As far as work goes, I don’t mind cleaning.  I find a certain satisfication in it, and I enjoy being able to work alone and at odd hours when the mass of humanity is not out and about. But given the choice, I’d rather sit in front of the computer or tv and drink beer than go out and clean someone else’s crap.  Still, as far as work goes, I can’t imagine doing anything else, no matter how much grief I sometimes go through.  The thought of having to get a job strikes terror in me, and I’ve been there a couple times, due to the money thing too.

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snip (Admittedly not the most tactful first post to alt.support.depression. Sorry.)

But heart-felt, and to the point.  Welcome to ASD, TCR ) — —  Whiskers

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:) Nice to see you finally admit that. Yes, Debbie CAN read.

Unlike you. Next compliment?

LOL.  Fuck off, deluded one. Deanna

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 I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:)

Nice to see you finally admit that. Deanna

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Ahhh, maybe your meds have kicked in at least for today…

LOLOL! Deanna

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Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. Ghoulagirl Yes, this coming from the "indeed" and "standing, clapping, cheering" queen! The only time you vary your verbal regurgitations is when you find someone to zone in on and attack.

That’s bullshit, Deb. Deanna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:) Nice to see you finally admit that.

Yes, Debbie CAN read. Next compliment? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Deanna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:) Nice to see you finally admit that. Yes, Debbie CAN read.

  Huh? Next compliment?

  What are you talking about? Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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 I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual!

Now here’s a logical person, Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Debbie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie.

  Why thank you, Kathy.  And thank you for defending me to Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:)

  I sure do!  Amazing that you’d agree, though. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie.  Why thank you, Kathy.  And thank you for defending me to Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:)  I sure do!  Amazing that you’d agree, though.

And maybe you should buy yourself a new pet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture

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 I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl

Bet the feeling is mutual! Debbie

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  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them.

I personally don’t have a problem with Taylor, though I disagree with a number of her views. steve reply to: steven[add the letter r]white[now put the number '1' in] at sign home dot com

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 I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual!

  Who yanked YOUR leash? Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. Ghoulagirl Yes, this coming from the "indeed" and "standing, clapping, cheering" queen! The only time you vary your verbal regurgitations is when you find someone to zone in on and attack. YOU are the real hero, Kim.

  Why thank you, Deb. We should all want to stay stuck and not change our opinions. We should all be able to throw tantrums constantly and berate others. You are longsuffering.

  Huh? Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. You seem to tolerate Kookie pretty well  Good point. Perhaps I am becoming desensitized. Ahhh, maybe your meds have kicked in at least for today…

  What, the decongestants?  Maybe.  But they tend to make me sleepy, not more tolerant. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. You seem to tolerate Kookie pretty well

Yeah, better than some tolerate you. Hey, btw, that’s a compliment…..;/—- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. You seem to tolerate Kookie pretty well  Good point. Perhaps I am becoming desensitized.

Ahhh, maybe your meds have kicked in at least for today… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Bet the feeling is mutual! Now here’s a logical person, Debbie.  Why thank you, Kathy.  And thank you for defending me to Debbie. She actually reads the posts around here, and draws her own correct conclusions…:)  I sure do!  Amazing that you’d agree, though. And maybe you should buy yourself a new pet.

  Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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  Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly.

You seem to tolerate Kookie pretty well steve

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  Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. You seem to tolerate Kookie pretty well

  Good point. Perhaps I am becoming desensitized. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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Maybe I should – a nice little lapdog, perhaps.  Although I think I’d get tired of the mindless yapping pretty quickly. Ghoulagirl

Yes, this coming from the "indeed" and "standing, clapping, cheering" queen! The only time you vary your verbal regurgitations is when you find someone to zone in on and attack. YOU are the real hero, Kim. We should all want to stay stuck and not change our opinions. We should all be able to throw tantrums constantly and berate others. You are longsuffering. Debbie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Well, when I mentioned it in a post directed at Taylor earlier today, she didn’t deny it.  It occurs to me that she might have told Kathy via private e mail that she felt sick, and Kathy then took it upon herself to share it with the group.  Not that it would be the first time Kathy has done something like that. Well, I can’t account for what Kookie might say privately.

  No, we’re talking about what Taylor might’ve said to Kathy privately. And there’s NO accounting for taste!  ;-)

  That’s the truth! Nevertheless, I’m stuck with what’s here, since I don’t correspond with Taylor. And wouldn’t think of corresponding with Kookie!

  I wouldn’t think of corresponding with either of them. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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  Well, when I mentioned it in a post directed at Taylor earlier today, she didn’t deny it.  It occurs to me that she might have told Kathy via private e mail that she felt sick, and Kathy then took it upon herself to share it with the group.  Not that it would be the first time Kathy has done something like that.

Well, I can’t account for what Kookie might say privately. And there’s NO accounting for taste!  ;-) Nevertheless, I’m stuck with what’s here, since I don’t correspond with Taylor. And wouldn’t think of corresponding with Kookie! steve

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snip Do you even read Taylor’s posts? She regrets having ANY pre-birth, during birth, shortly there-after birth involvement which was coercive. She ran out of the hospital sick to her stomach because of all this coercive involvement she now regrets. Really? Ran out of the hospital and all? Wow. Except of course, that Taylor didn’t. Here are some recent quotes from Taylor (who again is quite capable of expressing herself clearly): (from yesterday)

snip Hmm, she didn’t RUN, wasn’t "sick to her stomach", she notes her discomfort with her involvement, as noticed by the birthfather (and I have to agree, I’d have been queasy myself).

  Well, when I mentioned it in a post directed at Taylor earlier today, she didn’t deny it.  It occurs to me that she might have told Kathy via private e mail that she felt sick, and Kathy then took it upon herself to share it with the group.  Not that it would be the first time Kathy has done something like that. Ghoulagirl Giving birth is an act of nature; adopting is an act of nurture.

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Hello all, Kookie has been spluttering recently about what Taylor might or might not have said. So I figured, heck, I’ve got a few minutes between experiment data-points, let’s see what we can do. Note to Taylor: this isn’t about you, and apologies in advance. You speak well for yourself and it isn’t like you need Kookie (or me!) telling everyone what you said. Ok, to start off we have a Kookie-rave of today: You might try and pay attention and stop putting words in everyone’s mouth. Taylor, in fact has said, she would NOT participate in coercive adoption practices again. She did not know *at the time* the practices she participated in were *highly coercive* including being in the delivery room or the hospital during Em’s birth. She realizes NOW by educating herself, that many of the practices she participated in were indeed coercive. I take my interpretation from her posts. I suggest you do the same to gain some credibility.

Now from this one you might think that Taylor considered what she did back then coercive. Indeed, we have this gem of a splutter from Kookie from Tuesday the 24th: Do you even read Taylor’s posts? She regrets having ANY pre-birth, during birth, shortly there-after birth involvement which was coercive. She ran out of the hospital sick to her stomach because of all this coercive involvement she now regrets.

Really? Ran out of the hospital and all? Wow. Except of course, that Taylor didn’t. Here are some recent quotes from Taylor (who again is quite capable of expressing herself clearly): (from yesterday) "I did not view our presence at Em’s birth as highly coercive, at the time. Directly after Em’s birth I felt uncomfortable." … "R and C decided to relinquish. We decided to proceed with the adoption. I certainly did not believe we were acting in any coercive manner. I do believe that if an agency was involved there would have been, possibly, hopefully, more support for all of us. More information available and more options presented." Well that doesn’t sound like she thinks she was coercive now, it sounds like she thinks that things could have been done better, and she wishes that she had had less contact with Em’s birthmother prior to the birth — that’s different, and an excellent insight about how the process was back then. Then Taylor writes about the hospital experience at Em’s birth: (from July 12th) "When we flew to Utah for Em’s birth we were introduced as the parents of this unborn child. At the hospital I was in the delivery room when Em was born. I was there holding R’s leg. I cut the cord. I carried Em to the warming table then to the nursery. I started Em’s first feeding until I saw her ndad staring in the nursery at us. I handed Em to C and had him complete the feeding. I left the hospital with a sick feeling. " Hmm, she didn’t RUN, wasn’t "sick to her stomach", she notes her discomfort with her involvement, as noticed by the birthfather (and I have to agree, I’d have been queasy myself). And if you review Taylor’s entire post, she sure doesn’t admit to any belief of "coercion." She was uncomfortable, and now thinks it would have been better to handle certain parts of the relinquishment differently. So as Taylor says herself, "I do, however, question the journey." That doesn’t mean that she was coercive then, nor does it mean that she was coercive, interpreted by any reasonable standard today. Nor that she considers herself to have been involved in an unethical adoption, as Kookie alleges in this slobber she honked up from July 22nd: "She [Taylor] … accepts the fact that she un-knowingly acted unethically during the relinquishment process for Em." That doesn’t seem to be the case at all. Taylor regrets certain aspects and wishes that these things could be done better. She thinks that fixing certain parts of adoption would make adoption better. One can argue specifics, but it’s clear from her writing, that she doesn’t accept the labels "coercive" or "unethical." It means she has some insight into the journey. Of course, insight and Kookie don’t mix. We all know that. steve

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Steve Burison <SNIPPlease skip the air temperature and weather forecasts replies from the southern division of the NG, it’s just too cruel this time of year. Waiting for the water to soften

Amen to that brother…… —

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You went fishing at the Washington Navy Yard?  ("WNY") – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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more likely, Western New York thru the ice ??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You went fishing at the Washington Navy Yard?  ("WNY") Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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It’s a clear case of "I wish I could fish itis" caused by too many dark, cold days inside reading fishing gear catalogs, watching Bill Dance on the tube and general out and out winter grouchiness.  Probably needs a medical sounding name for the condition. My alternate diagnosis is that it was a PETA inspired attack on your right to practice cast way before fishing season. No accounting for the actions of some people. Can’t wait til the water warms up here in the North.  Please skip the air temperature and weather forecasts replies from the southern division of the NG, it’s just too cruel this time of year. Waiting for the water to soften Steve — StevenospamBurison

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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Just being there with a fishing rod while all seasons are closed could be why the taunting occurred.  If there is no species "open" you are doing something you are not supposed to be doing.  You might be better off test casting in the backyard or the park and not into the water.  Even if you are not targeting any one species, if you don’t know what you are fishing for it could get you into some hot water with the Feds! Check out your regulations for that body of water. —                                         Steve from Stony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any fish. Actually, I just wanted to test out the new reel and new rod. So, I was just there casting for 50 min or so. Bass and Pike are closed. Yes. And no. I’ve never brought any fish back home. Thanks. What type of fish were you fishing for?  Perhaps the season was closed for that fish??? Check it out!  What is open at this time of year in that body of water? —                         Steve from Stony Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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What type of fish were you fishing for?  Perhaps the season was closed for that fish??? Check it out!  What is open at this time of year in that body of water? —                         Steve from Stony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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Any fish. Actually, I just wanted to test out the new reel and new rod. So, I was just there casting for 50 min or so. Bass and Pike are closed. Yes. And no. I’ve never brought any fish back home. Thanks.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What type of fish were you fishing for?  Perhaps the season was closed for that fish??? Check it out!  What is open at this time of year in that body of water? —                         Steve from Stony Hi. I wish someone can help me. I was called bastard because I went fishing in February in WNY. Why? Can someone give me an answer to this? Thanks in advance.

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Carmel – wow!  I’m impressed – you certainly *should* feel proud of yourself! If you’re ever looking for a sheep farming job, gimme a call, eh? Chris F  :-) Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.  -Thomas Edison

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Only if I can feed the baby lambs by the fire.  :D   Carmel Chris Fincham wrote: > Carmel – wow!  I’m impressed – you certainly *should* feel proud of yourself! > If you’re ever looking for a sheep farming job, gimme a call, eh? > Chris F  :-) > Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work. >  -Thomas Edison

– " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." www.cyberwizards.com.au/~carmel www.cyberwizards.com.au/~jaragun

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Wow!  I’ve just done a day’s work in the packing shed – trimming ginger.  I don’t normally do this because my hands are not strong enough.  I just do the computer and the phone.  But Colin has scrub typhus and needed some help.  I feel better and stronger than I have for a long time, so I gave it a go.   Thought I’d last half and hour or so, maybe.  My hands got pretty crampy, but I could still use them, so I kept going.  I worked most of the day, and now I have a slightly sore back and shoulders, but am OK. I did heaps!  I can do it faster than Colin!!!  We did nearly the whole week’s shipment today.   I don’t know how my hands & arms will be tomorrow, but right now they’re pretty good.  I guess the new packing shed helped.  The work could be done sitting comfortably at a table.   Then I came in and cooked a Chinese meal while he swept the shed.  A really good day’s work.  Easier than accounting and graphics, too.  :D I’m proud of myself.   Carmel — " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." www.cyberwizards.com.au/~carmel www.cyberwizards.com.au/~jaragun

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Hey!  You go girl!!  I’m so glad you had a wonderful and productive day! Sounds like you really enjoyed it, and that is what counts! Give yourself a well deserved pat on the back and a bit of extra rest! Hugs & Prayers, Tee "CPD" <car…@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote in message

news:39212D45.E31726C8@cyberwizards.com.au… | Wow!  I’ve just done a day’s work in the packing shed – trimming | ginger.  I don’t normally do this because my hands are not strong | enough.  I just do the computer and the phone.  But Colin has scrub | typhus and needed some help.  I feel better and stronger than I have for | a long time, so I gave it a go. | | Thought I’d last half and hour or so, maybe.  My hands got pretty | crampy, but I could still use them, so I kept going.  I worked most of | the day, and now I have a slightly sore back and shoulders, but am OK. | I did heaps!  I can do it faster than Colin!!!  We did nearly the whole | week’s shipment today. | | I don’t know how my hands & arms will be tomorrow, but right now they’re | pretty good.  I guess the new packing shed helped.  The work could be | done sitting comfortably at a table. | | Then I came in and cooked a Chinese meal while he swept the shed.  A | really good day’s work.  Easier than accounting and graphics, too.  :D | I’m proud of myself. | | Carmel | — | " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel. |   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." | www.cyberwizards.com.au/~carmel | www.cyberwizards.com.au/~jaragun

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Resting I’m good at!  Today I have a really bad pain in my right eye and feel wiped out.  I guess that’s the price for yesterday.  Oh well.  It’s a nice day for resting.   Carmel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -James Bridges wrote: > Hi Carmel, > Good on you!!! Now get some rest and some relief for the extra stress thqt > your hands/arms have taken! > In article <39212D45.E3172…@cyberwizards.com.au>, CPD > <car…@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote: > | I don’t know how my hands & arms will be tomorrow, but right now they’re > | pretty good.  I guess the new packing shed helped.  The work could be > | done sitting comfortably at a table. > — > Take care > James (#11)

– " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel.   Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself." www.cyberwizards.com.au/~carmel www.cyberwizards.com.au/~jaragun

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Hi Carmel, Good on you!!! Now get some rest and some relief for the extra stress thqt your hands/arms have taken! In article <39212D45.E3172…@cyberwizards.com.au>, CPD <car…@cyberwizards.com.au> wrote:

| I don’t know how my hands & arms will be tomorrow, but right now they’re | pretty good.  I guess the new packing shed helped.  The work could be | done sitting comfortably at a table. — Take care James (#11)

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flight. I went to 5000 feet and 7500 feet and flew at 23 inches, 2300 RPM and 22 inches at 2200 rpm. I found that my actual TAS was about 13 kts less than that indicated in my owners manual (this plane is so old that it does not have a POH; the owners manual was written about 20 years ago).

Curious, Cary, did you use the "fly in three directions at constant IAS, measure groundspeed with GPS, note temp. and altimeter setting then calculate TAS" method, or how did you account for wind? If just flying in one or two directions, wind error can still play a role.  There are a couple of web sites which have applets which crunch the numbers from the above (GPS based) method, I’ll hunt for the links or maybe someone else will post them.  But you need data from at least 3 directions to use ‘em. To answer the other question, my plane runs about 5 kts slower than book.  I attribute this to extra drag from all the IFR antennae less than perfect rig and paint; we’d like to adjust the rigging and will be interested to see what happens to our TAS afterwards. Snowbird Before you buy.

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Either I am very naive, or my plane has a serious problem. While working with FliteStar I noticed that the airspeed it predicts I should attain is not close to what I usually attain. So, I went out Saturday to make some actual measurements of my aircraft performance. The weather was absolutely calm, so there was no problem trimming for straight and level flight. I went to 5000 feet and 7500 feet and flew at 23 inches, 2300 RPM and 22 inches at 2200 rpm. I found that my actual TAS was about 13 kts less than that indicated in my owners manual (this plane is so old that it does not have a POH; the owners manual was written about 20 years ago). Where I should be getting 178 kts I was only getting about 165 kts. I don’t think there is a problem with the MP or RPM guage, since my fuel burn is close to that indicated in the performance tables at these power settings. To avoid some potential flames, I did correct my IAS for altimeter setting and outside airtemp to calculate TAS. Lastly, I believe the TAS I calculated was accurate because my GPS was giving me equivalent ground speed (after accounting for winds). Have others noticed this much discrepancy between the published performance at cruise and the actual performance at cruise? Is this something I should take up with my A&P? Cary — Cary N. Mariash CP-ASMEL/IA N500QB (1958 C310) http://www.cbc.med.umn.edu/~cary/flywell.html

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If your book lists indicated airspeeds or calibrated airspeeds than use these to eliminate ram temperature rise errors.  Also make sure that you are really running lean enough.  Five or ten percent richer than peak power mixture will kill your power.  If the temperature is above standard then you will produce less power at any given mp/rpm setting.  It is almost always above ISA in the US, except in the winter.  165kts requires only about 80% of the power that 173kts does.  It seems unlikely to me that your engines could be running smoothly, not smoking ect., and only producing 80% of the expected power.  You are probably experiencing a number of small problems that are adding up to 13kts of lost airspeed.  Some owners manuals seem to be written by the marketing dept rather than the flight test dept, but usually the exagerations are limited to calling 198kts 201kts and advertising "over 200kts". Mike MU-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Either I am very naive, or my plane has a serious problem. While working with FliteStar I noticed that the airspeed it predicts I should attain is not close to what I usually attain. So, I went out Saturday to make some actual measurements of my aircraft performance. The weather was absolutely calm, so there was no problem trimming for straight and level flight. I went to 5000 feet and 7500 feet and flew at 23 inches, 2300 RPM and 22 inches at 2200 rpm. I found that my actual TAS was about 13 kts less than that indicated in my owners manual (this plane is so old that it does not have a POH; the owners manual was written about 20 years ago). Where I should be getting 178 kts I was only getting about 165 kts. I don’t think there is a problem with the MP or RPM guage, since my fuel burn is close to that indicated in the performance tables at these power settings. To avoid some potential flames, I did correct my IAS for altimeter setting and outside airtemp to calculate TAS. Lastly, I believe the TAS I calculated was accurate because my GPS was giving me equivalent ground speed (after accounting for winds). Have others noticed this much discrepancy between the published performance at cruise and the actual performance at cruise? Is this something I should take up with my A&P? Cary — Cary N. Mariash CP-ASMEL/IA N500QB (1958 C310) http://www.cbc.med.umn.edu/~cary/flywell.html

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I went to 5000 feet and 7500 feet and flew at 23 inches, 2300 RPM and 22 inches at 2200 rpm. I found that my actual TAS was about 13 kts less than that indicated in my owners manual

Any of a zillion things can cause observed performance to be different (usually less) than book figures. 1) The book figures are probably just plain optimistic. 2) How do you know the MP and RPM instruments are reading properly?  Or for that matter, the ASI?  The MP and RPM can be checked on the ground. The ASI checked by doing two-way timed speed runs. 3) Is your paint in good shape?  Dings in the airframe?  Everything perfectly in rig?  A dozen more antennas sprouting out all over the place to support 20 years of added radios?  Were you in perfectly coordinated flight?  Even a slight slip or skid can impact performance. 4) How old are the engines?  They just may not be producing as much power as they did when they were new.  How about the props?  In perfect condition? Is this something I should take up with my A&P?

I suppose a good place to start would be checking the accuracy of the tachometers and MP.

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you might want to look into Quicksell 2000 they advertise it as being compatible with QB.  http://www.smspos.com/

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I am currently looking for any software vendors or products that interface with Quickbooks (QB) 99. The goal is to find a package which will give a Railroad company the ability to sell tickets at a cash register and have the info be recorded in both the register and QB at the same time. My accounting firm currently handles their bookkeeping with QB 99.This is an urgent matter. Anyone with info, please reply. Thank you.

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At blue lake, one of the race organizers (AA sports) said the water for the 1/2 Ironmans was currently in the 40s. Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26? You can look at AA Sports website:  www.racecenter.com.  Rumor has it that the water temperature is even colder this year, due to the record amount of snowfall.  I’ll be there with my neoprene swimcap on! Richard Ling

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?  

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?

Here’s my race report from last year… The 1998 Pacific Crest Triathlon delivered spectacular scenery, great people and a wonderful day.  The race was very well organized, one major exception not withstanding.  The swim was hands down the best I’ve ever seen: absolutely luxurious, even to the point of having two warming/changing tents with hot soup available, and carpet from the swim finish up the beach and into T1.  I’d bet the course measurement was within 1% or so.  Snow capped mountains in the background completed an amazing picture.  The water was cold — 56 degrees, like Pacific Grove but without the kelp.  One more thing to blame on El Nino — it’s what you have to deal with if you do a tri in the mountains this year, I guess.  At least I was ready for it.  Me and brain freeze are old friends.  Ask anybody. The bike route had amazing vistas, and the run was flat enough to be very fast, legs willing.  Check in and pre/post race amenities and entertainment were excellent, and transportation out to the swim start (it was a point-to-point bike ride) went off without a hitch.  We’d checked in our bikes the day before,  and they bused us out the next morning.  Or, you could have someone drive you out race morning, if you so chose — start time was 10:30 a.m.  Vineman could learn a lot about logistics from this race. The altitude was kind of sneaky.  You go from a swim at about 4850 feet down to the run at 4,200 feet and the effects creep up on you.  Not like Donner where you know right away you’re out of breath.  Just subtly wears you down, like wearing a 15 pound pack.  After four or five hours, you start to notice it’s there.  Usually, I get a second wind on the run.  Didn’t happen this time. Once the snap was gone, it was gone for good. The major exception was on-course aid.  Only three aid stations on the bike, and all they had was water.  Well, two of them had water — in half-liter bottles that wouldn’t stay put in a bottle cage.  The other one was dry when I got there.  On the run, there were aid stations of a sort about every two miles — arguably adequate for the half marathon they had in the morning, but dangerous for a half-IM.  Except for one that had Gatorade, they were all water-only as well.  Some were unattended.  Warm water in cups left on a table, and you had to stop and sort it out.  Except for the soup at T1, there was no food, no Powerbars, no GU, no nothing for fuel or electrolyte replacement, again excepting that one cup of Gatorade on the run.  If it had been just a few degrees hotter it would have been very, very ugly.  I’ve learned to carry my own stuff, so I was OK, but you can only carry so much.  OK is not optimal. A minor glitch was an active railroad crossing right at the beginning.  Based on the schedule they gave us just before the start, some people must have been caught by a train, but the swim coordinator said they would have volunteers with stopwatches at the crossing and adjust times if necessary.  I didn’t hear anyone complain about it after the race.  I’d assume it was as exquisitely managed as everything else in that gentleman’s bailiwick. All in all, and excepting aid stations, I’d say it was up to the standards of the best races I’ve been to, and even beyond in terms of some production values, like free massages, finisher medals and the like.  AA Sports clearly has its act together when it comes to accounting and operations management, which is something the business consultant in me really appreciates.  It means they have the systems in place which can correct their support problem, if they so choose.  It also means that they’re likelier than some to be around for the long haul. It was a small race, some 200-odd people, which makes some things easy, but makes other, important things hard, due to lack of cash flow.  If they fix the aid stations and beef up their marketing, this could easily become a destination race.  The venue is as good as it gets and the Sunriver Resort, where the HQ is, has enough going on to keep the rest of the family occupied for the weekend.  AA Sports is clearly investing in the creation of a unique atmosphere, like, say, Wildflower and Donner have succeeded in doing.  That’s an asset that should pay dividends in the future.  I plan on going back.  Hope to see you there. Tellus Venture Associates "Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win."  R.A.H.

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Anyone in RST-land familiar with the Pacific Crest 1/2 Ironman in Oregon June 26?

You can look at AA Sports website:  www.racecenter.com.  Rumor has it that the water temperature is even colder this year, due to the record amount of snowfall.  I’ll be there with my neoprene swimcap on! Richard Ling

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I also raced Pacific Crest last year.  For me, it was a completely mixed bag.  I really liked the course, and, in fact, I’ve not gone faster on a 1/2 IM anywhere else. First of all – as of last week, there was a foot and a half of snow at the lake, and the water temp was rumored to be 45 degrees.   Word around town has it that the race will either be a duathlon, or the swim will be shortened to something like a 500. The water was clear and the 10.30a start was great.  But, it was seriously COLD.  I think 56 degrees was a generous estimate.  But, after about 10 minutes, my hands, feet, and face became numb enough to where I felt ok. The ride is rather scenic.  However, it is not at all technical.  There are only something like 4 turns.  I’ve done a lot of riding in that area, and was a bit disappointed to have to simply put my head down and peddle straight on.   Then again, it does make for a rather fast bike split.  Not much climbing involved at all, which is a good thing at that alititude.  The last 10 plus miles are actually downhill. The run is through the resort at Sunriver.  Fast and flat.  And lots of good spots for spectators. Logistically, ask anyone in Oregon about AA sports and you’ll get all sorts of responses.  This is not an organization of athletes who necessarily understand what athletes need on a course.  Thus, there were problems getting enough liquid in on the course (not to mention no food all day).   For those of us carrying our own food & plety of liquid, this was not a problem.  For others, though, it was tough.  There were a lot of people racing there who were used to cooler climates, and had a hard time with the dry, sunny, weather and temperatures in the 80’s.   I saw some serious bonks out there.  However, if you are prepared to support yourself, you can have a crackin’ good race. AA sports does a great job of providing an "overall racing experience for the family."  There is entertainment and other distractions for the family.  If you’re thinking of travelling, Sunriver is a good destination. Also, last year, this race was a qualifier for Long Course Worlds.  If it is again this year, it’s probably not too tough to qualify. For more information on the race, check out www.racecenter.com Will I do it again?  No, for two reasons.  One, the lack of support really, really left a bad taste in my mouth last year.  Two, it interferes with IM Switzerland. Good luck, and let us know how it goes this year if you race. — Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Hi All, I would like to have some comments/suggestions on a decision that I need to make in the next couple of days.Currently, I do the accounting for a retail chain across Canada, they have 6 stores and we are currently using Simply Accounting as our accounting package. We have a separate module for the inventory and I just extract the info. from it and enter it into Simply, very time consuming. I am not a big lover of Simply and I have only been working with it for 3 months. I do however, like Quickbooks. I find that it has alot more to offer in the way of reports etc. I have purchased QuickBooks US Pro for our US store opening up in Kirkland, Seattle. We also have a separate module for the inventory, not the same package that we use in Canada, so I am not sure if I will have to extract and enter the information the same way that I do now. I haven’t had a chance to look at the Quickbooks Pro package yet, as I am picking it up this week. So, my dilemma is, now that we are finishing up our year end in Canada, do I switch to QuickBooks now instead of opening a new year using Simply, or is Simply a better program for what our needs are? Are we going to have to eventually go with AccPac because of the expansion? Money is an issue at the moment, so I need to go with something that is going to lighten the work load somewhat but still provide me with good reports and statements and that is within our budget. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated and I hope that I have explained this logically. Thank you. B.B.

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Hi BikerBabe! If you tell me what sort of $ you have budgeted, I may be able to suggest some software that will work for you. If you are in the Simply/Quickbooks league, I can’t help you, but with 6 or 7 stores, you should have a more sophisticated accounting system than those. This costs money though and you would have to pay for implementation and training.  Let me know what your budget is and I will try to help you. Peter

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I am Accounting Director for a management company of multiple medical practices. We   are currently using Macola Progression 7.0 accounting software and are in the process of evaluating other packages for a possible conversion in the near future. We have looked at Great Plains and Soloman software and are interested in any information that current users of these or any other packages can give us. We would be interested in knowing of particular favorable attributes or problems, and general satisfaction with the products. We are looking for information on the general ledger and accounts payable modules in particular. Thanks in advance for your help…..

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Take a look at Navision Financials (http://www.navision-us.com) It is designed to be customized to the way you do business. I am Accounting Director for a management company of multiple medical practices. We   are currently using Macola Progression 7.0 accounting software and are in the process of evaluating other packages for a possible conversion in the near future. We have looked at Great Plains and Soloman software and are interested in any information that current users of these or any other packages can give us. We would be interested in knowing of particular favorable attributes or problems, and general satisfaction with the products. We are looking for information on the general ledger and accounts payable modules in particular. Thanks in advance for your help…..

–         -jp      * Remove  the NOSPAM if you are *        * trying to send Email          *

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So are Great Plains Dynamics and Solomon.  We resell and support Great Plains’ products.  If you have any specific questions, please feel free to e-mail me. Alan C. Whitehouse The Resource Group Renton, WA Great Plains Software VAR & ISV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take a look at Navision Financials (http://www.navision-us.com) It is designed to be customized to the way you do business. I am Accounting Director for a management company of multiple medical practices. We   are currently using Macola Progression 7.0 accounting software and are in the process of evaluating other packages for a possible conversion in the near future. We have looked at Great Plains and Soloman software and are interested in any information that current users of these or any other packages can give us. We would be interested in knowing of particular favorable attributes or problems, and general satisfaction with the products. We are looking for information on the general ledger and accounts payable modules in particular. Thanks in advance for your help….. —        -jp     * Remove  the NOSPAM if you are *     * trying to send Email          *

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I am Accounting Director for a management company of multiple medical practices. We   are currently using Macola Progression 7.0 accounting software and are in the process of evaluating other packages for a possible conversion in the near future. We have looked at Great Plains and Soloman software and are interested in any information that current users of these or any other packages can give us. We would be interested in knowing of particular favorable attributes or problems, and general satisfaction with the products. We are looking for information on the general ledger and accounts payable modules in particular. Thanks in advance for your help…..

this site has reviews and features of mid-range acct. software (march 1998 issue) http://www.cfonet.com/html/98MAcfo.html

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Jerry falwell and Phyilis Schlafly standing naked.

In the interest of efficiency, you wouldn’t really need two people.  Betty Freidan naked could cover both genders. Tim Horton — "The smoothly efficient First Lady we have seen before us, with her chameleonlike blond hairdos and charismatic smile, is actually a drag queen,the magnificent final product of a long process of self-transformation from butch to femme." — Camille Paglia

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: : Jerry falwell and Phyilis Schlafly standing naked. : : :In the interest of efficiency, you wouldn’t really need two people.  Betty :Freidan naked could cover both genders. : :Tim Horton : As could Tim Horton!?

Sorry to disappoint but I couldn’t begin to compete with Betty in this arena…she’s in a class of her own.   :– :"The smoothly efficient First Lady we have seen before us, with her :chameleonlike blond hairdos and charismatic smile, is actually a drag :queen,the magnificent final product of a long process of :self-transformation from butch to femme." — Camille Paglia : So, after a bitterly sexist remark, he then goes on to quote one of the great nutjobs of our time. Great job, Tim!

Thanks, Milt, though I’m sorry that responding to Xona’s posting in like kind apparently offended your sensibilities.  I should probably have proposed a disrobed J. K. Galbraith in compromising pose with Ms. Freidan in order to maintain equality of the sexes. As for Ms. Paglia:  A professor studying the decline of slavery in this country once pointed out to me that desperate defenders of a fading status quo often reserve their foulest bile not for their idealogical antitheses, but for those of their fellow travellers unwilling to sacrifice intellectual and moral self-consistency at the altar of short-sighted and short-term political goals. Tim Horton

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: : Jerry falwell and Phyilis Schlafly standing naked. : : :In the interest of efficiency, you wouldn’t really need two people.  Betty :Freidan naked could cover both genders. : :Tim Horton : As could Tim Horton!? :– :"The smoothly efficient First Lady we have seen before us, with her :chameleonlike blond hairdos and charismatic smile, is actually a drag :queen,the magnificent final product of a long process of :self-transformation from butch to femme." — Camille Paglia : So, after a bitterly sexist remark, he then goes on to quote one of the great nutjobs of our time. Great job, Tim! –Milt http://www.u.arizona.edu/~mshook "If a person is under investigation by the Ethics Committee, and he is in a position to influence the outcome of the investigation, then he should resign immediately…"                         –Newt Gingrich, 1988

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Despite decades of efforts to improve the lot of American farm workers, wages for the nation’s more than two million farm laborers have trailed stubbornly behind inflation for the past 20 years, making it hard for many of them to afford adequate housing and other necessities. Agricultural economists and some industry surveys found that farm workers’ wages have fallen 20 percent or more over the past two decades after accounting for inflation, while a U.S. Department of Agriculture study found a 7 percent drop, to $6.17 an hour, over that period.

The real causes of this should be objectively determined, and well-thought-out steps should be taken to reverse the trend.  You go on, however, and jump to the following item. And: Green Tree Financial Corp chief executive officer Lawrence Coss received a $102 million bonus in 1996, the Wall Street Journal said Thursday. That amounted to Coss receiving $279,452 every single day last year, the Journal said.

I’m failing to see what relationship exists between Green Tree Financial Corporation, a mortgage lender for mobile homes, and the agriculture industry or farm workers.  Your point would make more sense if Green Tree was a farm corporation or even a company somehow related to agriculture, but it is not. In addition, while Coss’s bonus may or may not be obscene compared to the benefit he has brought to it’s stockholders, employees, and customers, you have provided no information with which to judge one way or the other.  As founder of the company in 1975, he is apparently not a corporate gunslinger brought in simply to cut jobs.     Nonetheless, let’s play out a scenario that redistributes income (equally, of course) to the 2 million+ farm laborers mentioned above.  $6.17/hour times 2000 hours (40 hour work weeks for 50 weeks) yields $12340/year.  In order to make up the 20 percent drop mentioned above (which, being the larger estimate, is the one labor leaders are likely to quote) one would have to increase yearly wages to $12340/.80 or $15425, an increase of $3085 per year per worker.  Multiplied by 2,000,000+ workers this means a redistribution of over $6 billion dollars which Coss’s bonus wouldn’t even begin to fund. It is certainly legitimate to question, on a case by case basis, the bonuses that corporate CEO’s get, though the final judgement should be up to the stockholders, employees, and customers of those companies.  It accomplishes nothing other than emotional pandering, however, to compare apples and oranges in a way which implies that one man’s compensation, appropriate or not, is somehow morally and numerically correlated to the misfortune of 2,000,000 workers in an unrelated field (no pun intended). Tim Horton — "The smoothly efficient First Lady we have seen before us, with her chameleonlike blond hairdos and charismatic smile, is actually a drag queen,the magnificent final product of a long process of self-transformation from butch to femme." — Camille Paglia

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Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Despite decades of efforts to improve the lot of American farm workers, wages for the nation’s more than two million farm laborers have trailed stubbornly behind inflation for the past 20 years, making it hard for many of them to afford adequate housing and other necessities. Agricultural economists and some industry surveys found that farm workers’ wages have fallen 20 percent or more over the past two decades after accounting for inflation, while a U.S. Department of Agriculture study found a 7 percent drop, to $6.17 an hour, over that period.

The real causes of this should be objectively determined, and well-thought-out steps should be taken to reverse the trend.  You go on, however, and jump to the following item. And: Green Tree Financial Corp chief executive officer Lawrence Coss received a $102 million bonus in 1996, the Wall Street Journal said Thursday. That amounted to Coss receiving $279,452 every single day last year, the Journal said.

I’m failing to see what relationship exists between Green Tree Financial Corporation, a mortgage lender for mobile homes, and the agriculture industry or farm workers.  Your point would make more sense if Green Tree was a farm corporation or even a company somehow related to agriculture, but it is not. In addition, while Coss’s bonus may or may not be obscene compared to the benefit he has brought to it’s stockholders, employees, and customers, you have provided no information with which to judge one way or the other.  As founder of the company in 1975, he is apparently not a corporate gunslinger brought in simply to cut jobs.     Nonetheless, let’s play out a scenario that redistributes income (equally, of course) to the 2 million+ farm laborers mentioned above.  $6.17/hour times 2000 hours (40 hour work weeks for 50 weeks) yields $12340/year.  In order to make up the 20 percent drop mentioned above (which, being the larger estimate, is the one labor leaders are likely to quote) one would have to increase yearly wages to $12340/.80 or $15425, an increase of $3085 per year per worker.  Multiplied by 2,000,000+ workers this means a redistribution of over $6 billion dollars which Coss’s bonus wouldn’t even begin to fund. It is certainly legitimate to question, on a case by case basis, the bonuses that corporate CEO’s get, though the final judgement should be up to the stockholders, employees, and customers of those companies.  It accomplishes nothing other than emotional pandering, however, to compare apples and oranges in a way which implies that one man’s compensation, appropriate or not, is somehow morally and numerically correlated to the misfortune of 2,000,000 workers in an unrelated field (no pun intended). Tim Horton — "The smoothly efficient First Lady we have seen before us, with her chameleonlike blond hairdos and charismatic smile, is actually a drag queen,the magnificent final product of a long process of self-transformation from butch to femme." — Camille Paglia

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Despite decades of efforts to improve the lot of American farm workers, wages for the nation’s more than two million farm laborers have trailed stubbornly behind inflation for the past 20 years, making it hard for many of them to afford adequate housing and other necessities. Agricultural economists and some industry surveys found that farm workers’ wages have fallen 20 percent or more over the past two decades after accounting for inflation, while a U.S. Department of Agriculture study found a 7 percent drop, to $6.17 an hour, over that period. And: Green Tree Financial Corp chief executive officer Lawrence Coss received a $102 million bonus in 1996, the Wall Street Journal said Thursday. That amounted to Coss receiving $279,452 every single day last year, the Journal said. A study in contrasts. Harry

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