Question:

I use Quickbooks for everything, including my Ebay and other auction sales. Lori — Looking for sexy fashions in leather, pvc, shoes, accessories and more? Visit my online store at www.sensualelegance.com NOW WITH OVER 2500 ITEMS ONLINE AND MORE ADDED DAILY! And for adults only: www.sensual-desire.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

Response:

Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated.

With all due respect, unless you are a lorge, large seller, just do it the way I have been doing it for 30 + years  – paper and pencil  – cheap and accurate

Response:

Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro.  What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days…….

Response:

I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days…….

So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst?

Response:

I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days……. So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst?

Ask Worldcom and Enron. – Email replies should be sent to the address found here: http://members.aol.com/jonpurkey/email.gif

Response:

I was losing money left and right on ebay. Then a friend turned me onto a company caller "Arthur Andersen" But I don’t think they are taking on any new clients these days……. So, what was the best advice they gave you?    What was the worst? Ask Worldcom and Enron.

<http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Sep/09042003/business/89481.asp

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, What are your recommendations regarding bookkeeping for sellers on ebay?  In the ebay community discussion boards there is a link to Jerry’s Bookkeeping Tools but it’s just a not very well disguised advertisement for eBay’s Sellers Assistant Pro. What else to people use?  Is there software that I could purchase rather than sign up for the never-ending constantly-increasing monthly fee? Have any of you created your own customized application in Excel or Access? Any and all thoughts regarding the bookkeeping side of running a home based ebay business are appreciated. Regards, Norman

Probably whatever accounting software you feel comfortable with would work for you. Just set up categories of expenses and income— from supplies, listing fees, postage, actual payments received… etc. I use Microsoft Money because it was a program bundled with my computer and I was already familiar with it. I make a new account for each year, so I have everything I need to know for that year to pass on to my accountant. Using categories, I can easily tell my accountant the exact figures for postage, income, etc. I only document ebay fees once per month when I get the monthly invoice.

Response:

Question:

Thanks for the tip Drum. Lucky for me it will be my only class this term. On the other hand I do have a 4 year old, a 1 year old, a house, and a 37 year old  to take care of as well. *sigh*  I try to be the Little Engine That Could…I think I can…I THINK I can… I really enjoy accounting. After reading a previous post on forensic accounting, I am checking into it. Call me strange, but I LOVE doing research in accounting. If I had a head for human science I would have become a forensic scientist. JD

Response:

Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets.

Just think of IA as an aptitude test give to see if you have the aptitude for accounting.  If you don’t pass it, your not accounting material and should choose something else. Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, PRC, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, W.Miller, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying."

Response:

Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets. —

The worst thing I recall about Intermediate (around 1990) was the text by Keiso and Weygandt.  Many in our class were utterly mystified by critical passages so badly written it was scarcely better than random gibberish. I find it difficult to believe this text is still widely used. Perhaps later editions were massively revised.

Response:

Ahh, I remember Theory I and II as if it were yesterday.   On the first day of class, our professor got up (didn’t even introduce herself) and said "40% of you won’t be here by the end of the semester", and she was right.  One of my buddies warned me that they try to weed people out in Intermediate Theory.  The advice here so far has been excellent, and here are a few of my own: 1) Plan ahead as far as possible and work ahead if you can.  Usually I do the reading and homework that the upcoming exam will cover in order to give myself as much time to study for the exam as possible. 2) As mentioned above, do the homework problems over as many times as possible.  The exams will likely be 90% problem-based and the nuts and bolts of the problems need to be ingrained as much as possible. Infact, re-doing homework problems was the best way for me to study. 3) I also read the chapters three times total – 1st I read it straight through like a novel, 2nd I read it with highlighter and pen in hand, and 3rd I took notes on the readings.  This may be overkill to some people, but it worked for me. If someone like me can make it through it so can you.  I remember that I flunked my first exam in Theory I and still got a B in the class, and if you’re asking questions like these then you’re already way ahead of your classmates. Jim

Response:

Good advice, Marisa.  Where were you when I was taking those classes?

Response:

I think with almost every college that teaches Intermediate, there are horror stories. In fact, my professor had actually had the previous semester’s class write up tips to give the new incoming students about what they thought about the course and how to succeed in it. You should have read some of these things! The only advice I can give you is that you should be prepared to spend more time on this course (and Intermediate II) than you have for any other course. They call Intermediate I, the "make or break" course. Those left standing at the end are the ones that will be continuing on and making a career in accounting. Case in point. My Intermediate I class started out with 24 students and ended up with 11 at the end of the semester! I offer the following tips:   1.. Don’t get behind! Much like paying bills, it’s harder to catch up than not to get behind in the first place!   2.. Trim the fat where you can as far as methods of study. There may be times where you have to skim the chapter, go straight to the problems and see what they are looking for, then go to the applicable section and really spend some time there to reinforce the points needed to solve the problem. Intermediate Accounting texts’ are notorious with being more information-laden than "normal" textbooks. Many topics are bundled in to a single chapter. Using the technique above, you "trim the fat" and focus on what’s needed (at least for the course anyway).   3.. When working with problems and you have one successfully completed problem where the solution is verified, rework the problem in a "rote" fashion. Do the problem 4 or 5 times in a row. What you’re trying to build here is the repetition of learning the steps needed to solve the problem (not just getting the "answer"). One skill that you absolutely need other than getting the correct final answer is a thorough knowledge of the PROCESS of how answers are derived. Nothing is more worse than taking an exam and reading a problem with the sudden realization that you have absolutely no clue where to begin!   4.. When you are copying down calculations done on the board by the teacher, just don’t copy down the numbers. Use arrows or some other means to "label" the numbers so you know where they came from and how they pertain the to the topic at hand. If you don’t do this, you’ll spend WAY too much time "rediscovering" how the calculations came about. Completely avoid this my labeling your calculations taken down in class.   5.. You’re going to spend a  lot of time studying. Take a break and go for a short walk. You WILL need to do this to get a fresh start/perspective during those long study sessions. Hope the info given helps!   Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets.

Response:

Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough.

Oooooooooo Half a chapter a day, and weekends off. Where do I sign up? — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

Response:

JD- Intermediate is the class that will prepare you for the CPA exam (if you decide that you want to take it).  So you are about to take on of the most important courses in your college career!  This may help…..I suggest coming home and rewriting or typing your notes.  This  will: – Allow you to put things in your own words – Will guarantee that you revisit the lecture at least once -Will act as a study guide at test time (and even for the exam) And don’t be afraid to ask questions- don’t spin your wheels.  Chances are if you are confused, so are most people in the class.   Good luck! Marisa

  Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets.

Response:

Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets.

I am not really sure how different/heavy the Intermediate Accounting courses are up in the US compared to Canada.  But up here in Ontario the course(s) are tough!  It isnt your basic accounting/bookkeeping courses where you are basically walked through each subject.  These courses are tough, and the only way to succeed in them is to do your work.  I have already weeded through 2 intermediate courses (obtained a B+ for both so far), so heres some of my tips: –  Manage your time.  Spend a good amount of time studying everything in each chapter.  You will need to know everything in each chapter.  I normally spent about 4 hours per chapter, reading it over and studyign the examples to make sure I understand them fully before jumping into the homework. –  Give some of the homework questions a shot without looking at the chapter/reviewing and flipping through again.  If you dont know the answer, guess..  after giving the question(s) your best shot, check the solutions and then see what your problem area(s) are. –  Dont fall behind in the readings.  In my college, we basically covered one chapter a week (2 session per week, first session is where the teacher would walk us through the chapter highlighting to us and bringing certain things for discussion) 2nd session is for bringing up any concerns about the homework or chapter. –  Study hard..  dont cram.  it will be impossible trying to cram multiple chapters, especially when you get into Complex Secruities, Pensions (this stuff is hard), F/S Analysis (we arent just talking about memorzing formulas.) –  Hopefully you have access to the homework solutions.. but do yourself a favor and DO NOT just skim through the solutions figuring you would do the same as the author would.  Make the effort to do the homework. The Intermediate Courses here are tough.  I know a few colleagues in my school still on the 1st Intermediate Course (they have tried 2 times.. both times failed/dropped out) simply because they dont/wont do the homeork properly.   Good luck! -SA

Response:

Alright, I have heard several horror stories about intermediate financial accounting. How bad is this course? Lucky for me it will be the only course I will be studying this fall. Is it truly one of those hated classes that will make you or break you? I just finished fundamentals of corporate finance. Crammed 13 chapters into a 6 week period. THAT was rough. I ask how much harder can my next class be? Yes, I know this next class involves heavy analysis of balance sheets.

Response:

Question:

Update on our Global Debit Card project….
If you have an entrepreneuristic bone in your body..
If you have a drop of visionary blood in your veins..
JOIN THIS. Don’t get left out. Look at it closely.
It is something that your local bank WILL NOT LIKE.
We have been looking for this product for some time.
In fact, this is another topic I have discussed with
many of you privately, for over a year now. We KNEW
this was coming. And, the early reponse is overwhelming!
On July 1, an announcement will be made that will rock
the home-based, networking, entrepreneur, financial
services, money exchange, worlds. This announcement will
name the name of the financial partner for this new opportunity. This is the company that actually issues the card. This name is one of the most (if not THE most) recognized financial names in the world. Absolute household name. Worldwide client assets of 1.6 TRILLION dollars!
To reserve a spot in NOW…
Go to http://www.globalcreditcard.net/unbeatable
and sign up for the free replicating web site.
Then, contact me and I will place you into another
database that will get you a superior position in the
group. You will receive further info via e-mail.
Warmest regards
Michelle Aldous
http://www.libertyprofit.cjb.net – Tired of recruiting, tired of selling, no experience required, no inventory – ALL you need to do is ENROL and Liberty take care of the rest
http://mlmeducationalandresources.cjb.net – Ultimate educational and promotional resource center for MLM professionals. The one website that all Network Marketers MUST gain access to.
http://totalsaturation.cjb.net – Automate your promotions by posting to 1 million daily.
http://iamgoingplatinum.cjb.net – Full FREE ISP that pays YOU to use the internet.

Response:

PRE-LAUNCHING WORLDWIDE JULY – ACT NOW PHOENIX, ARIZONA U.S.A. BASED COMPANY HAS CREATED THE MOST POWERFUL AND PROFITABLE ONE CARD SOLUTION IN THE WORLD! THIS IS AN ENTREPRENEURS DREAM THAT IS CREATING THE MOST PHENOMENAL WORLDWIDE EXPLOSION NEVER SEEN BEFORE, WITH ANY PRODUCT, IN DIRECT SALES INDUSTRY You’re About To Discover The Most Exciting and Built-To-Last Opportunity That Will Enable You To Earn More Money QUICKLY, GLOBALLY and Keep It Coming For The Rest Of Your Life!! or visit http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable
THIS UNIVERSAL CARD WAS CREATED BY: * THE COMPANY PRESIDENT, A FORMER OFFICER OF ONE OF THE   LARGEST INTERNATIONAL BANK IN THE WORLD * A FORMER SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF VISA INTERNATIONAL * A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR WORLDWIDE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION
UNMATCHED CREDIBILITY AND RECOGNITION The card functions on a Certified Platform that cost over $15 million dollars, took 6 years to create and can perform hundreds features. Ernst and Young, a leading International accounting firm, valued the platform at $25 million dollars.  
International Multi-Function Debit Card Available In All Countries
Carries The Logos Of: * A Multi-Billion Worldwide Financial Institution That  Holds And Insures   The Deposits  
* The Largest Merchant Aggregating Company In The World * The Three Largest ATMs Networks In The World * The Largest POS Networks In The World
UNMATCHED FEATURES * Anyone In the World Can Obtain The Card With NO Credit Check,   NO Questions and NO Interest * You Can Deposit And Use An UNLIMITED Amount Of Money * You Can Use It To Charge At Over 17 MILLION Point Of Sale Locations   Worldwide * Your Money Is Instantly Available Though The Three Largest ATMs Networks   In The World * Low Cost Member-To-Member Cash Online Transfer Feature Let You Tap And
  Undercut The Three Trillion-Dollar Cash Transfer Industry! * Unique Feature Let You Transfer Money From Your Card To Your ACH   (Automated Clearing House) Checking Account * All Transfers Have Automatic Conversion In the Local Country Currency * You Can Carry Any Amount Anywhere In The World * It Can Be Used By Any Size Company As A Real-Time Global Direct Payroll   Deposit * And So Much More! or visit http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable
UNMATCHED DEMAND * 90% Of Adults In The World Cannot Obtain A Credit Card Or A Checking Account * 40% Of People In The US Still Don’t Have A Credit Card * 90% Of Adults In The World Cannot Obtain A Credit Card Or A Checking Account * 15% Don’t Have A Checking Account * 75% Of People in the US Who Have A Credit Card Are Maxed Out * No Doubt, The Debit Card Market Is Substantially Larger Than The Credit Card   Market * Our Multi-Function Card Is HANDS DOWN, The Best Choice Of Any Debit Card,
  Secure Card, Check Card Or Cash Card With A LOW PRICE Anyone In The World Can   Afford! UNMATCHED PROFITS! You Can Build A Worldwide Associates’ Organization From Any Country And Earn
WEEKLY COMMISSIONS From Commissionable Business Centers Through An
Incredible Front-End 2 X Infinity  - Plus Matching Bonuses Compensation Plan Historically Proven To Create  Business Momentum and Large Incomes FAST! You Can Build A LIFE-LONG MONTHLY RESIDUAL INCOME  In Usage Overrides * From Card Purchases
* Money Transfers * All The Services The Card Offers
Used By Customers And Associates In Your Worldwide Organization,
Through The Most Lucrative Back-End Unilevel Compensation Plan A COMPANY BUILT-TO-LAST MAKING HISTORY AROUND THE WORLD The company is a stable three year old corporation that was formed   to develop and distribute worldwide  various breakthrough technologies
that represent giant advancements in global financial services, e-commerce,
telecommunications, Internet technologies and other advanced solutions.
The company has developed a powerful system of truly global connectivity and
is extremely well poised to attract and service a large International community
of customers and Associates.  
ACt fast – For more information send an email to or visit http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable
Warmest regards
Michelle Aldous
http://www.libertyprofit.com/?refer_id=333000574 – Tired of recruiting, tired of selling, no experience required, no inventory – ALL you need to do is ENROL and Liberty take care of the rest
http://mlmeducationalandresources.cjb.net – Ultimate educational and promotional resource center for MLM professionals. The one website that all Network Marketers MUST gain access to.
http://iamgoingplatinum.cjb.net – Full FREE ISP that pays YOU to use the internet.

Response:

The Market Potenial Is Huge
There is a HUGE gap in the market place for a legitimate GLOBAL, Internet based network marketing company with a REAL product. Up until now, there has been NONE that was available worldwide. This could be the ONE. This is a REAL product that is NEEDED by 90% of the world population. Listen to the online audio and TRY not to get excited about the HUGE market potential of this product:
http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable/betterway If this gets you excited too, you can sign up for your own FREE Pre-Launch site RIGHT NOW. And then just go out and share the online audio from your site with 10 other friends. It will blow you away the response you get. It did me. Remember people buy what they WANT. And it appears people REALLY want what this program is all about. Sign up for your own FREE Pre Launch site: http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable/betterway
And for those without Internet access have them call 858-646-1446 for voice mail and fax on demand.
And if you get a chance, I highly encourage you to listen in on one of our global conference calls.
MPI GLOBAL CONFERENCE CALLS
1- 212- 461- 5860 Pin (card) 2273#
USA – EUROPE
Every Wednesday 12:00 (Noon) PST
USA – EUROPE
Every Saturday
10:00 AM PST
USA- AUSTRALIA – NEW ZEALAND JAPAN – ASIA – PACIFIC RIM
Every Saturday 6:00 PM PST
ACT NOW – go to http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable/betterway
If you would like to touch base with me, here is my contact information:
Name: Michelle Aldous
http://mlmeducationalandresources.cjb.net – Ultimate educational and promotional resource center for MLM professionals. The one website that
all Network Marketers MUST gain access to.
http://totalsaturation.cjb.net – Automate your promotions by posting to 1 million daily.
http://iamgoingplatinum.cjb.net – Full FREE ISP that pays YOU to use the internet.

Response:

NEW Global Opportunity Explodes Worldwide!
This is the first global internet based network marketing company with a REAL WORLD viable product.
You can earn money QUICKLY, GLOBALLY and keep it coming for LIFE! Click on this link and try NOT to get excited.
http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable
Be on the team of a 3-time top distributor who has developed a HALF A MILLION DOLLAR online business building system. He will give you a FREE replicating site to start promoting this
program NOW. Due to PRE – LAUNCH 1 July – ACT FAST.
This site is a FREE value added service for associates sponsors organization only. He is the creator of $500,000 online business building system for network marketers called RecruitOMatic. This is a bare bones version of his system.
Our Sponsor has been the top distributor in 3 different network marketing opportunities primarily by using the Internet and will be providing information and tools you will not  get anywhere else. In addition you will ALWAYS get the straight scoop. No hype. He has an EXCELLENT position with the company. We are in HIS Power Leg.
http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable
The backer is and it’s a company is 10 times more known than Coca Cola, with tons more credibility.  
As well as this opportunity it is the ONLY GLOBAL ONLINE opportunity that exists.  Others can only say they are in xx amount of countries.  This means that you can travel anywhere in the world and build this on your laptop!!  
The web site is translated into 8 languages already, with more to come. Now’s the time to become a significant leader.  
Warmest regards
Michelle Aldous

http://www.globaldebitcard.net/unbeatable

Response:

Question:

<<SNIPPED a bunch of stuff which seemed to be quite accurate None of that material supported the statement by seetheplane, "Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow." What I suspect he did was make the common mistake of calling the backing out of non-cash expenses a source of cash because such numbers are added to net income to determine operating cash flow for the period. Regards, Bill

Response:

I see two error in this thread (not to mention it’s being off subject) 1) I did not quote the full Glossary discription (my fault) 2) You did not read my post correctly which may or may not have helped <g I did not originaly say "free cash"  I said "free cash flow" As defined in the glossary: Free cash flows = Sales (Revenues from operations) – COGS (Cost of goods sold-labor, material, book depreciation) – SG&A (Selling, general administrative costs) EBIT (Earnings before interest and taxes or Operating Earnings) – Taxes (Cash taxes) EBIAT (Earnings before interest after taxes) + DEP (Book depreciation) – CAPX (Capital expenditures) – ChgWC (Change in working capital) C (Free cash flows) That URL is http://www.duke.edu/~charvey/Classes/wpg/glossary.htm <<SNIPPED a bunch of stuff which seemed to be quite accurate None of that material supported the statement by seetheplane, "Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow." What I suspect he did was make the common mistake of calling the backing out of non-cash expenses a source of cash because such numbers are added to net income to determine operating cash flow for the period. Regards, Bill

-       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

I see two error in this thread (not to mention it’s being off subject) 1) I did not quote the full Glossary discription (my fault) 2) You did not read my post correctly which may or may not have helped <g

Yes, I did. I did not originaly say "free cash"  I said "free cash flow"

The full quote is in the post of mine you quoted below. As defined in the glossary: Free cash flows = Sales (Revenues from operations) – COGS (Cost of goods sold-labor, material, book depreciation) – SG&A (Selling, general administrative costs) EBIT (Earnings before interest and taxes or Operating Earnings) – Taxes (Cash taxes) EBIAT (Earnings before interest after taxes) + DEP (Book depreciation)

The above line is support for my contention that you made "the common mistake of calling the backing out of non-cash expenses a source of cash because such numbers are added to net income to determine operating cash flow for the period." Depreciation is not a source of cash. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - CAPX (Capital expenditures) – ChgWC (Change in working capital) C (Free cash flows) That URL is http://www.duke.edu/~charvey/Classes/wpg/glossary.htm <<SNIPPED a bunch of stuff which seemed to be quite accurate None of that material supported the statement by seetheplane, "Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow." What I suspect he did was make the common mistake of calling the

   ^^^^ backing out of non-cash expenses a source of cash because such numbers are added to net income to determine operating cash flow for the period.

Regards, Bill

Response:

You are correct. I posted it for the benefit of the person who asked the original question. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<SNIPPED a bunch of stuff which seemed to be quite accurate None of that material supported the statement by seetheplane, "Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow." What I suspect he did was make the common mistake of calling the backing out of non-cash expenses a source of cash because such numbers are added to net income to determine operating cash flow for the period. Regards, Bill

Response:

Wow… there’s actually over a million!  I’ve read the dozen or so posts in response to my original question, and now  I’m even more confused than ever. One answer even said "Both" !!  Reading through those posts, I feel I’ve been through a whole accountancy course.  Maybe I’ll just ask my consultant to explain it to me. It’ll cost an arm an a leg though… maybe that’s what depreciation is… diminuition in value over time… to my bank account!! thanks to all Haskey

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what! According to the AICPA, about 1 million, with 300,000 being CPA’s. Exact quote: "There were almost 1.1 million accountants in 1998. Most of them worked in cities, because that is where the large companies tend to be. " http://stats.bls.gov/k12/text/mat%5F002t.htm Here, the AICPA claims 330,000 members: http://www.aicpa.org/index.htm

Response:

<<SNIP Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash I won’t evaluate the entire post but I have to say this. Depreciation is NOT a source of cash. Regards, Bill

The only part you were willing to disagree on was the part I quoted strait out of my Internet Glossary from Duke Ed. but I have to admit it’s hard to support the notion (unless it was talking about the Tax coffer’s pockets <G –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<SNIP Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash I won’t evaluate the entire post but I have to say this. Depreciation is NOT a source of cash. Regards, Bill The only part you were willing to disagree on was the part I quoted

No. It’s the only part I was willing to analyze in enough detail to respond to. In general, your logic is … a challenge to follow. For example, you said, "Depreciation is a debit to your tax liability and a credit to your expense ledger at the same time." In fact, depreciation is a debit to an expense account (or to inventory for a manufacturer) and a credit to a contra-asset account. Ultimately, tax liability is lower because of depreciation and a liability balance is made smaller by a debit entry. However, depreciation for financial reporting and cost recovery for tax determination are two quite different issues. strait out of my Internet Glossary from Duke Ed. but I have to admit

You have an URL on that? If your source does say that depreciation is a source of cash, I’d like to see what else is said there. Regards, Bill

Response:

The assets, (resources controlled by the entity) completely used in an accounting period to earn revenue are expensed. Certain assets, will not be completely consumed during an accounting period. Those assets, "Capital assets" are recorded in the ledger at cost and appear on the balance sheet at that value. Over a number of accounting periods capital assets are consumed in the process of generating revenue. Depreciation / Amortization is the process used to recognize that during the accounting period prepaid capital assets have changed in value. The most common change is the loss of value. The "Matching Principal" expenses incurred to earn revenue is the concept. Some Capital assets land and certain intangibles are not "consumed" and are not depreciated. The accounting process has some fundamental concepts  - assumptions, principles, elements of financial statements and from this spring the detailed practices and procedures. The "Continuity Assumption", "going-concern" assumes that a business will follow it objective in the foreseeable future. This is why when a capital asset is purchased a decision is made to choose an approved orderly system for depreciation recognition for the life of the asset rather than an annual estimation of consumption value – continuity.  If the predetermined consumption expense process fails to keep pace with the actual consumption use of the asset then that fact must be addressed and disclosed. (Full- Disclosure Principle) There are certain assets that increase in value and the recognition of that is another argument. The "posting" of depreciation is normally a credit to a separate "contra account"; the assets remain on the balance sheet at cost and the consumption is shown as a negative value and a debit to depreciation expense. Depreciation is a non-cash expense for the accounting period because it is the recognition of past cash expense. RE: RE:

Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what!

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. It’s the only part I was willing to analyze in enough detail to respond to. In general, your logic is … a challenge to follow. For example, you said, "Depreciation is a debit to your tax liability and a credit to your expense ledger at the same time." In fact, depreciation is a debit to an expense account (or to inventory for a manufacturer) and a credit to a contra-asset account. Ultimately, tax liability is lower because of depreciation and a liability balance is made smaller by a debit entry. However, depreciation for financial reporting and cost recovery for tax determination are two quite different issues. strait out of my Internet Glossary from Duke Ed. but I have to admit You have an URL on that? If your source does say that depreciation is a source of cash, I’d like to see what else is said there. Regards, Bill

Response:

You are correct. I posted it for the benefit of the person who asked the original question.

… who stopped reading days ago.   –Rick

Response:

Any teenage acounting student should be able to explain to you that with each entry there is a debit and a credit. That applies even to depreciation, debit depreciation expense, credit depreciation accumulated in respect of the asset. Roger What’s your point?

Sorry It appears you were not reply to me but to the post before mine. My mistake! –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

Any teenage acounting student should be able to explain to you that with each entry there is a debit and a credit. That applies even to depreciation, debit depreciation expense, credit depreciation accumulated in respect of the asset. Roger

What’s your point? The question was – _which one is it_? Your reply supports my contention that the question is _amiss_ since Depreciation _itself_ is neither. You could also say it’s an expense _and_ an asset (I would hope) if it has value. I just don’t explain it very well. It’s not a credit or a debit but rather "An allowance made for a loss in value of property." (usually) –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

Wow… there’s actually over a million!  I’ve read the dozen or so posts in response to my original question, and now  I’m even more confused than ever. One answer even said "Both" !!  Reading through those posts, I feel I’ve been through a whole accountancy course.  Maybe I’ll just ask my consultant to explain it to me. It’ll cost an arm an a leg though… maybe that’s what depreciation is… diminuition in value over time… to my bank account!!

Any teenage acounting student should be able to explain to you that with each entry there is a debit and a credit. That applies even to depreciation, debit depreciation expense, credit depreciation accumulated in respect of the asset. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks to all Haskey If you knew the definition of credit and debit and you knew the definition of depreciation then you would know why you cant get a strait answer. Don’t bother paying someone to tell you – just try to figure out what’s wrong with the question. (or tell us why you asked it) –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

Wow… there’s actually over a million!  I’ve read the dozen or so posts in response to my original question, and now  I’m even more confused than ever. One answer even said "Both" !!  Reading through those posts, I feel I’ve been through a whole accountancy course.  Maybe I’ll just ask my consultant to explain it to me. It’ll cost an arm an a leg though… maybe that’s what depreciation is… diminuition in value over time… to my bank account!! thanks to all Haskey

If you knew the definition of credit and debit and you knew the definition of depreciation then you would know why you cant get a strait answer. Don’t bother paying someone to tell you – just try to figure out what’s wrong with the question. (or tell us why you asked it) –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

I see two error in this thread (not to mention it’s being off subject) 1) I did not quote the full Glossary discription (my fault) 2) You did not read my post correctly which may or may not have helped <g Yes, I did.

I see now. Thanks for the clarification. I just THOUGHT you misread me based on the post of yours I read yesterday (copied just bellow) <<SNIP Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash I won’t evaluate the entire post but I have to say this. Depreciation is NOT a source of cash.

–       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

Neither CPAa nor teachers have monopoly on good answers. Your answer makes sense and this is what counts. greg — http://greg.misiorek.home.att.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what! It’s both. It’s not evasive, just overly simple. It just depends what your talking about and what your depreciating. Sometimes you depreciate property that acctualy is going up in value (real estate) and other times you depreciate items that deminish (trucks) Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow. It’s an amount allocated during the period to amortize the cost of acquiring long-term assets over the useful life of the assets. Credits and Debits are bookkeeping terms that describe what your doing in your books (adding to an account or duducting from an account) Depreciation can be a debit to your tax liability and a credit to your expense ledger at the same time. It’s BOTH I’m sure, since I’m not a teacher or a CPA, (just a part time bookkeeper) there are a hundred guys (and gals) here that can explain it much better than I can. –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

<<SNIP Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash

I won’t evaluate the entire post but I have to say this. Depreciation is NOT a source of cash. Regards, Bill

Response:

I am looking for information about how many accountants in US and would surely be glad if someone could point me in the right direction. regards, Dan Pedersen

Response:

There are over 300,000 CPAs. I would think there are probably ten times more who perform accounting taks in their jobs. greg — http://greg.misiorek.home.att.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for information about how many accountants in US and would surely be glad if someone could point me in the right direction. regards, Dan Pedersen

Response:

Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what! It’s both.

It’s not evasive, just overly simple. It just depends what your talking about and what your depreciating. Sometimes you depreciate property that acctualy is going up in value (real estate) and other times you depreciate items that deminish (trucks) Depreciation is a non-cash expense that provides a source of free cash flow. It’s an amount allocated during the period to amortize the cost of acquiring long-term assets over the useful life of the assets. Credits and Debits are bookkeeping terms that describe what your doing in your books (adding to an account or duducting from an account) Depreciation can be a debit to your tax liability and a credit to your expense ledger at the same time.   It’s BOTH I’m sure, since I’m not a teacher or a CPA, (just a part time bookkeeper) there are a hundred guys (and gals) here that can explain it much better than I can. –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what!

It’s both.

Response:

Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what! Haskey

It’s both –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

Response:

3.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for information about how many accountants in US and would surely be glad if someone could point me in the right direction. regards, Dan Pedersen

Response:

Over 300,000 ,eh….. and none of them will give you a straight answer as to whether depreciation is a debit or a credit…!! Evasive or what! Haskey

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are over 300,000 CPAs. I would think there are probably ten times more who perform accounting taks in their jobs. greg — http://greg.misiorek.home.att.net I am looking for information about how many accountants in US and would surely be glad if someone could point me in the right direction. regards, Dan Pedersen

Response:

Question:

You want to be a TeleCommuter?  Try "Telecommuting Job Opportunities": http://www.tjobs.com/jobopps.htm Joe Morris eBusiness Sales Consultant http://www.icode.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am curious as to whether there are opportunities to earn an income from undertaking professional accounting / tax work on the internet.  I am interested in discovering whether I can obtain training and employment in the US while living in Australia. I wish to work for an accounting practice located in the US. I would prepare taxation returns and undertake other accounting work. However I would be located in Australia and all my work and other communications for the accounting business would be via the internet. Can anyone assist me in identifying accounting businesses which are interested in this type of arrangement? Alternatively, where can I obtain more information on accounting businesses which are interested in this type of arrangement? Finall, what professional qualifications do I require? Any advice / assistance would be appreciated.

Response:

I am curious as to whether there are opportunities to earn an income from undertaking professional accounting / tax work on the internet.  I am interested in discovering whether I can obtain training and employment in the US while living in Australia. I wish to work for an accounting practice located in the US. I would prepare taxation returns and undertake other accounting work. However I would be located in Australia and all my work and other communications for the accounting business would be via the internet. Can anyone assist me in identifying accounting businesses which are interested in this type of arrangement? Alternatively, where can I obtain more information on accounting businesses which are interested in this type of arrangement? Finall, what professional qualifications do I require? Any advice / assistance would be appreciated.

Response:

Question:

 Thank General Douglas MacAurthur for that.

Yeah, P.  I’ve only looked over the Articles to Japan’s Constitution. Makes interesting reading to an American. I don’t know what changes have been made since 1946 but there are conflicting standards and values evident in the document; with heavy emphasis on personal liberty in A.19&21 and emphasis on the collective good in much of the remainder. A very unusual document written, as you’ve said, by two cultures at the conclusion of a  horrendous conflict. A very peaceful document,  even if ambiguous on personal freedom overall.

Response:

This is URGENT information that all posters should note.  Dan is, as usual, right on the logical money with this – the study of our communications is not "conspiracy paranoia" – it’s simple, cold, clear, fact. Dan:  Thanks for reminding us. declared in alt.society.homeless: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little more quiet than usual. I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently, involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance. It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists, scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control over the e-mail networks. So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc. Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks. A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can download it free for your machines at various sites, such as http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private communications, do this: 1.  Write your private messages offline into a text file 2.  Encrypt the file so only the recipient can read it.  Do this offline.    The instructions teach you how to do this. 3.  Boot up your e-mail program’s message composer 4.  Paste the encrypted text into the message box 5.  Send the message. PGP effectively seals an e-mail the same way an envelope seals a letter, except you can’t open it to read the contents unless you can decrypt it. Encrypted messages can be scrambled to a bunch of people you know, but read only by the person who has the correct "key".  By scrambling the message to several people, interceptors will not necessarily know who the message is directed to.   After you’re PGP’d, let me know.  I’ll be happy to be on your scramble list.  In fact, as these types of privacy abuses become widspread, it may become good netiquette to welcome even people you don’t know to put you on their scramble lists. PGP won’t solve all problems relating to privacy.  Many of the attacks I’ve been subjected to have involved people sneaking up behind me in a library to read my computer screen, and today I found signs of an attempted phone tap in a friend’s private apartment.   dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/completeclinton.html "Dummycrats, Oxford morons, and America’s Class Battlelines" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/nobility.html "Which Constitution Is Taught In the Law Schools?" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/admissions-scandal.html "Fraudulent Conviction In Princeton Case – The Grand Jury Should Have Been Indicted" (1992) http://www.best.com/~dhm/policy/riot-act.html Commentary on the Rodney King riots – How the poor are "legally" disfranchised from the legal system by the credentialatura in what is supposed to be a system of justice. http://www.best.com/~dhm/archives/1panth.html "Go To School, Learn To Rule – The Yale Method"  (a rare, insightful Black Panther document which would have been out of your reach.  Compare this to what you were told by the newsmedia and government.) http://www.best.com/~dhm/paloalto-homeless/op2.html Irrational Use of the Homeless Classification By the Police http://www.best.com/~dhm/harvard-troll.html Smear campaign waged against me by young member of a RICO-interest group in Harvard Law School. http://www.best.com/~dhm/radical.html My original on-line publication, with the above links and more. —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzac9U8AAAEEAN9IaX8748zjIEF95FDCDl1ehew5iZ5hiZOAmecgtlGt/3gi VmjXJx9khaiNLpXSnCQjl2Hyo+6Eq8+8vOcNqn2iAorL6a4i3Ta47kMFQcRotyNH voBzwK49ulwd4YepwU0UpOT3gVLR0MyOKaFhojOYDhar+OiMHLVfyNCdYq3ZABEB AAG0G0RhbmllbCBNeWVycyA8ZGhtQGJlc3QuY29tPokAlQMFEDac+Lm1X8jQnWKt 2QEB240D/1ZXEi9+PQCU7bDNQ9OWNgOr8nEkfHo1R1M85M2Ni0dykoIq+9G+D6Hq uG6M1SUTAQ07qn7KgtMpdcQmyoasOPLXk8JK1PThoaBNKVZjcq8Z1O36RZmNWmOb LoObS8Hx4ieQLmdqyF+px18n3PQXibDbX/QLhh38fdFe/5ziofOd =fd+R —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– dhm                                                                    

– CopWatch:               http://thebird.org/copwatch/ THE BIRD column:        http://thebird.org/publish/ Works at HeadShop:      http://thebird.org/store Please don’t email newsgroup replies.

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       I’ve trimmed a few newsgroups here, also deleted the userid of the sender to the list I received it from. (OK, it’s available from archive, LEO’s can do their own homework).       Apparently, the cops have learned from the virus-builders. I do not think DIRT is their cutting-edge tech, just what’s been publicised. Hi all! Sorry about the long post, but I thought that you’al might like to read this. My question is: I was under the impression that W$ NT had, at least, some file permissions / owners like Linux. So that this type of attack would be hard on an NT. Is it possible that Gates gave the Feds a backdoor? Or is NT just that shitty?

From BS:   What came first, the Internet or Bill Gates? The feds or Bill Gates? We all know Al Gore, not Bill Gates, invented the Internet. If Gates was the Gatekeeper, would he sell out us common folk to the feds? It is much more likely Gates was never NOT sold out, and that he is more than happy, to help the feds keep him the world’s richest individual, safe from revolutions, anarchism and other such attacks on capitalism. Seems to me the feds, the military and Pentagon have had a "backdoor" — about the length, breadth and depth of the Grand Canyon — to the Internet from the very beginning. Why would they develop this powerful technology, any other way, and then close or destroy their backdoor, after this new technology was released to a very rebellious public? It amazes me how so many people believe our government is nothing less than an honorable highly-principled institution that never breaks the law. Ours is not a nation of laws, as President Clinton and other public officials have proven time and again, along with the rich. It is a nation "of the rich, by the rich and for the rich" which has established a middle class, to protect the rich and itself from the nation’s poor and rebellious citizens. Local and state governments cater to the rich, as well, while their puppet bureaucrats, politicians, accountants, lawyers and judges protect their financial interests, throughout the country, and around the world via police and brute force. Bill Gates sell us out?! Come on! He’s one of us, can’t you see by his smile? ******* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Getting DIRT on the Bad Guys    Here’s the ultimate weapon in the war against cyber crime.    by Tom Spring, PC World    June 29, 1999, 12:23 p.m. PT    To former detective Frank Jones, "secure network" is an oxymoron. The    word "delete" isn’t in his vocabulary. Password-protect your computer    and you’ll make his day.    And if you really get on Jones’ bad side, he’ll take complete control    of your PC–and your first clue will be when you open your door and    the boys in overcoats start flashing badges at you.    If you’re among the anonymous thousands of cyber bad guys who inhabit    the Internet’s underbelly, Jones is your worst nightmare.    The retired New York City detective works on the law enforcement    sidelines building software tools to help the government and police    crack down on online criminals.    And his latest tool is considered the ultimate weapon.    Digging up DIRT    Jones wrote the widely used, but little-known software program called    DIRT. The program works like a telephone wiretap for computers, giving    its users the ability to monitor and intercept data from any Windows    PC in the world.    DIRT stands for Data Interception by Remote Transmission and was    originally created by Jones as a tool to help snare online child    pornographers. But in the short time it has been available only to    government and law enforcement agencies, DIRT is now used to battle    hacker groups like Cult of the Dead Cow and to trap terrorists, drug    dealers, money launderers, and spies.    "What we do is give law enforcement an additional line of defense,"    says Jones, the president of Codex Data Systems.    The DIRTy Details    The client side version of the DIRT program is less than 20KB in size    and is typically installed on a target PC using a Trojan horse program    (a set of instructions hidden inside a legitimate program). The DIRT    program is usually sneaked inside an e-mail attachment, a macro, or a    workable program that a targeted user is enticed to download.    Once inside a target Windows 95/98/NT computer, it gives law    enforcement complete control of the system without the user’s    knowledge.    It starts off by secretly recording every keystroke the user makes.    The next time the user goes online, DIRT transmits the log for    analysis. Jones says government agencies have even managed to open    encrypted files by obtaining password locks.    During a recent program demonstration, Jones easily uploaded and    downloaded files to a DIRT-infected computer connected to the Net by a    dial-up modem. Jones could upload and download files to the PC without    a hint of activity on the other end. — Taxi          Linux           FreeBSD

– Blazing Star <http://members.tripod.com/~sananda/homeless/welcome.html Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Response:

        I’ve trimmed a few newsgroups here, also deleted the userid of the sender to the list I received it from. (OK, it’s available from archive, LEO’s can do their own homework).         Apparently, the cops have learned from the virus-builders. I do not think DIRT is their cutting-edge tech, just what’s been publicised.         Hi all! Sorry about the long post, but I thought that you’al might like to read this. My question is: I was under the impression that W$ NT had, at least, some file permissions / owners like Linux. So that this type of attack would be hard on an NT. Is it possible that Gates gave the Feds a backdoor? Or is NT just that shitty?    Getting DIRT on the Bad Guys    Here’s the ultimate weapon in the war against cyber crime.    by Tom Spring, PC World    June 29, 1999, 12:23 p.m. PT    To former detective Frank Jones, "secure network" is an oxymoron. The    word "delete" isn’t in his vocabulary. Password-protect your computer    and you’ll make his day.    And if you really get on Jones’ bad side, he’ll take complete control    of your PC–and your first clue will be when you open your door and    the boys in overcoats start flashing badges at you.    If you’re among the anonymous thousands of cyber bad guys who inhabit    the Internet’s underbelly, Jones is your worst nightmare.    The retired New York City detective works on the law enforcement    sidelines building software tools to help the government and police    crack down on online criminals.    And his latest tool is considered the ultimate weapon.    Digging up DIRT    Jones wrote the widely used, but little-known software program called    DIRT. The program works like a telephone wiretap for computers, giving    its users the ability to monitor and intercept data from any Windows    PC in the world.    DIRT stands for Data Interception by Remote Transmission and was    originally created by Jones as a tool to help snare online child    pornographers. But in the short time it has been available only to    government and law enforcement agencies, DIRT is now used to battle    hacker groups like Cult of the Dead Cow and to trap terrorists, drug    dealers, money launderers, and spies.    "What we do is give law enforcement an additional line of defense,"    says Jones, the president of Codex Data Systems.    The DIRTy Details    The client side version of the DIRT program is less than 20KB in size    and is typically installed on a target PC using a Trojan horse program    (a set of instructions hidden inside a legitimate program). The DIRT    program is usually sneaked inside an e-mail attachment, a macro, or a    workable program that a targeted user is enticed to download.    Once inside a target Windows 95/98/NT computer, it gives law    enforcement complete control of the system without the user’s    knowledge.    It starts off by secretly recording every keystroke the user makes.    The next time the user goes online, DIRT transmits the log for    analysis. Jones says government agencies have even managed to open    encrypted files by obtaining password locks.    During a recent program demonstration, Jones easily uploaded and    downloaded files to a DIRT-infected computer connected to the Net by a    dial-up modem. Jones could upload and download files to the PC without    a hint of activity on the other end. — Taxi            Linux           FreeBSD

Response:

Thank General Douglas MacAurthur for that.

  Daniel,    Some good advice there.  Don’t let anyone tell ya you’re going paranoid.  There is a problem. I remember in the early 80’s  when I was more active politically. I  was supporting peace-movement efforts to get us (I expect you live in the States) out of those revolting killing operations in Central America. Over a 3-4 month period, three letters I received from the peaceniks were mangled; fully exposed correspondence, apparent sorting machine jams. It’s interesting that in five decades of life, those were the only mangled letters I’ve had delivered.   As for the present environment of central-government intrusiveness and loss of civil-liberties, all you can do is push for change. I looked over the first ten Amendments again last night. Familiar themes. Gov’t forbidden from confiscating private property, for example. My view earlier  in the 90’s was that the federal operatives who are taking part in these activities were doing so in a vacuum: being unaware of the damage they were inflicting on a free constitutional government and just following orders. Now, however, with the agenda so clear , and with the damage accelerating, it seems that people are being hired on the basis of their willingness to carry out orders harmful to freedom. The addition of large corporations to the mix, such as AOL and its policy of informing on its customers, brings the added spectre of fascism to the table. In my view, the operatives engaging in the anti-freedom measures are acting in a treasonous manner.  The feds appear, again in my view, to have collapsed to a rabble of peeping-toms.   As a last note, Japan has been pressured by US/Britain/Australia into implementing censorship measures. Here Daniel, for your entertainment, is Article 21 of  Japan’s Constitution: For those interested, here is Article 21 of Japanese Constitution: "Freedom of assembly and association as well  as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed.  2) No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated."     I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I     thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little     more quiet than usual.     I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently,     involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance.     It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists,     scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be     attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control     over the e-mail networks.     So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe     through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I     write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a     result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with     important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over     sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc.     Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative     that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can     be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against     each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of     you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing     that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks.     A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can     download it free for your machines at various sites, such as     http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make     yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private     communications, do this:

Response:

Daniel,    Some good advice there.  Don’t let anyone tell ya you’re going paranoid.  There is a problem. I remember in the early 80’s  when I was more active politically. I  was supporting peace-movement efforts to get us (I expect you live in the States) out of those revolting killing operations in Central America. Over a 3-4 month period, three letters I received from the peaceniks were mangled; fully exposed correspondence, apparent sorting machine jams. It’s interesting that in five decades of life, those were the only mangled letters I’ve had delivered. As for the present environment of central-government intrusiveness and loss of civil-liberties, all you can do is push for change. I looked over the first ten Amendments again last night. Familiar themes. Gov’t forbidden from confiscating private property, for example. My view earlier  in the 90’s was that the federal operatives who are taking part in these activities were doing so in a vacuum: being unaware of the damage they were inflicting on a free constitutional government and just following orders. Now, however, with the agenda so clear , and with the damage accelerating, it seems that people are being hired on the basis of their willingness to carry out orders harmful to freedom. The addition of large corporations to the mix, such as AOL and its policy of informing on its customers, brings the added spectre of fascism to the table. In my view, the operatives engaging in the anti-freedom measures are acting in a treasonous manner.  The feds appear, again in my view, to have collapsed to a rabble of peeping-toms. As a last note, Japan has been pressured by US/Britain/Australia into implementing censorship measures. Here Daniel, for your entertainment, is Article 21 of  Japan’s Constitution: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For those interested, here is Article 21 of Japanese Constitution: "Freedom of assembly and association as well  as speech, press and all other forms of expression are guaranteed.  2) No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated." I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little more quiet than usual. I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently, involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance. It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists, scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control over the e-mail networks. So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc. Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks. A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can download it free for your machines at various sites, such as http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private communications, do this:

Response:

I know the feeling well however how does your comp defeat the new comps the feds have on line?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little more quiet than usual. I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently, involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance. It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists, scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control over the e-mail networks. So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc. Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks. A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can download it free for your machines at various sites, such as http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private communications, do this: 1.  Write your private messages offline into a text file 2.  Encrypt the file so only the recipient can read it.  Do this offline.     The instructions teach you how to do this. 3.  Boot up your e-mail program’s message composer 4.  Paste the encrypted text into the message box 5.  Send the message. PGP effectively seals an e-mail the same way an envelope seals a letter, except you can’t open it to read the contents unless you can decrypt it. Encrypted messages can be scrambled to a bunch of people you know, but read only by the person who has the correct "key".  By scrambling the message to several people, interceptors will not necessarily know who the message is directed to. After you’re PGP’d, let me know.  I’ll be happy to be on your scramble list.  In fact, as these types of privacy abuses become widspread, it may become good netiquette to welcome even people you don’t know to put you on their scramble lists. PGP won’t solve all problems relating to privacy.  Many of the attacks I’ve been subjected to have involved people sneaking up behind me in a library to read my computer screen, and today I found signs of an attempted phone tap in a friend’s private apartment. dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/completeclinton.html "Dummycrats, Oxford morons, and America’s Class Battlelines" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/nobility.html "Which Constitution Is Taught In the Law Schools?" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/admissions-scandal.html "Fraudulent Conviction In Princeton Case – The Grand Jury Should Have Been Indicted" (1992) http://www.best.com/~dhm/policy/riot-act.html Commentary on the Rodney King riots – How the poor are "legally" disfranchised from the legal system by the credentialatura in what is supposed to be a system of justice. http://www.best.com/~dhm/archives/1panth.html "Go To School, Learn To Rule – The Yale Method"  (a rare, insightful Black Panther document which would have been out of your reach.  Compare this to what you were told by the newsmedia and government.) http://www.best.com/~dhm/paloalto-homeless/op2.html Irrational Use of the Homeless Classification By the Police http://www.best.com/~dhm/harvard-troll.html Smear campaign waged against me by young member of a RICO-interest group in Harvard Law School. http://www.best.com/~dhm/radical.html My original on-line publication, with the above links and more. —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzac9U8AAAEEAN9IaX8748zjIEF95FDCDl1ehew5iZ5hiZOAmecgtlGt/3gi VmjXJx9khaiNLpXSnCQjl2Hyo+6Eq8+8vOcNqn2iAorL6a4i3Ta47kMFQcRotyNH voBzwK49ulwd4YepwU0UpOT3gVLR0MyOKaFhojOYDhar+OiMHLVfyNCdYq3ZABEB AAG0G0RhbmllbCBNeWVycyA8ZGhtQGJlc3QuY29tPokAlQMFEDac+Lm1X8jQnWKt 2QEB240D/1ZXEi9+PQCU7bDNQ9OWNgOr8nEkfHo1R1M85M2Ni0dykoIq+9G+D6Hq uG6M1SUTAQ07qn7KgtMpdcQmyoasOPLXk8JK1PThoaBNKVZjcq8Z1O36RZmNWmOb LoObS8Hx4ieQLmdqyF+px18n3PQXibDbX/QLhh38fdFe/5ziofOd =fd+R —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– dhm

Response:

I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little more quiet than usual. I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently, involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance. It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists, scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control over the e-mail networks. So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc. Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks. A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can download it free for your machines at various sites, such as http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private communications, do this: 1.  Write your private messages offline into a text file 2.  Encrypt the file so only the recipient can read it.  Do this offline.     The instructions teach you how to do this. 3.  Boot up your e-mail program’s message composer 4.  Paste the encrypted text into the message box 5.  Send the message. PGP effectively seals an e-mail the same way an envelope seals a letter, except you can’t open it to read the contents unless you can decrypt it. Encrypted messages can be scrambled to a bunch of people you know, but read only by the person who has the correct "key".  By scrambling the message to several people, interceptors will not necessarily know who the message is directed to.   After you’re PGP’d, let me know.  I’ll be happy to be on your scramble list.  In fact, as these types of privacy abuses become widspread, it may become good netiquette to welcome even people you don’t know to put you on their scramble lists. PGP won’t solve all problems relating to privacy.  Many of the attacks I’ve been subjected to have involved people sneaking up behind me in a library to read my computer screen, and today I found signs of an attempted phone tap in a friend’s private apartment.   dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/completeclinton.html "Dummycrats, Oxford morons, and America’s Class Battlelines" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/nobility.html "Which Constitution Is Taught In the Law Schools?" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/admissions-scandal.html "Fraudulent Conviction In Princeton Case – The Grand Jury Should Have Been Indicted" (1992) http://www.best.com/~dhm/policy/riot-act.html Commentary on the Rodney King riots – How the poor are "legally" disfranchised from the legal system by the credentialatura in what is supposed to be a system of justice. http://www.best.com/~dhm/archives/1panth.html "Go To School, Learn To Rule – The Yale Method"  (a rare, insightful Black Panther document which would have been out of your reach.  Compare this to what you were told by the newsmedia and government.) http://www.best.com/~dhm/paloalto-homeless/op2.html Irrational Use of the Homeless Classification By the Police http://www.best.com/~dhm/harvard-troll.html Smear campaign waged against me by young member of a RICO-interest group in Harvard Law School. http://www.best.com/~dhm/radical.html My original on-line publication, with the above links and more. —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzac9U8AAAEEAN9IaX8748zjIEF95FDCDl1ehew5iZ5hiZOAmecgtlGt/3gi VmjXJx9khaiNLpXSnCQjl2Hyo+6Eq8+8vOcNqn2iAorL6a4i3Ta47kMFQcRotyNH voBzwK49ulwd4YepwU0UpOT3gVLR0MyOKaFhojOYDhar+OiMHLVfyNCdYq3ZABEB AAG0G0RhbmllbCBNeWVycyA8ZGhtQGJlc3QuY29tPokAlQMFEDac+Lm1X8jQnWKt 2QEB240D/1ZXEi9+PQCU7bDNQ9OWNgOr8nEkfHo1R1M85M2Ni0dykoIq+9G+D6Hq uG6M1SUTAQ07qn7KgtMpdcQmyoasOPLXk8JK1PThoaBNKVZjcq8Z1O36RZmNWmOb LoObS8Hx4ieQLmdqyF+px18n3PQXibDbX/QLhh38fdFe/5ziofOd =fd+R —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– dhm                                                                    

Response:

I smell the stench of your 1980’s goose-stepping diatribes for what they are- a veiled attempt to shove your opium of the masses down my throat. My esophagus will channel up all this semi-digested spew and reflect it back towards the aggressor with interest. It could have been love and hugs and happy thoughts back when we were innocent of the charges. Those days are gone. The sad reality of your ideological flatulance accosting my every fibre of truth is emphatically this. The capitalist opressors of yesteryear have sucked dry the marrow from those old Trotsky bones. It was almost as if the Arch-Angel of death had swept clean the wilderness of our inner-child~ all was lost. A shrill symphony of beautiful things were made ugly as the impure thoughts were cleansed by fire. It was the raping and destruction of a century’s-worth of worthless ideas by a group of people indifferent to the writings of Shakespeare. Retreat into your Kremlinesque semi-Soviet pipe dreams of the past. I could care less. I stopped believing in fairy tales in the era where Reagan was crowned emperor for life. We were Gods and we were beautiful but it did’nt matter. Not for lack of greed- but for love. An insatiable lust for golden baubles and things that glitter. We marched our bare naked souls into the light like lemmings~ never doubting our own miscreations. All without the benefit of bomb shelters during those apocalyptic midnights of the witching hour. The fury and chaos of it all was arousing. Our nipples were always excited into states of solidity while the borders around us became like so many bars in the cage. In all her majesty, The never-ending prison we pretend is life had finally come full circle. But that was then and this is now. Today will be the yesterday of the only tomorrow we have. Don’t squander it. "Soylent Green is Peeeeople!" Mark Keiper The Conspiracy continues. …a bloated enemy in a crumbling castle.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I post in the above-listed news/discussion groups from time to time, so I thought I’d better write this warning and tell you why I’ve been a little more quiet than usual. I have personally experienced a number of "privacy" attacks recently, involving attempted (or actual covert) unlawful, political surveillance. It seems inevitable that the e-mail privacy of important activists, scholars, newspapers, attorneys, doctors, and government officials will be attacked by rogue police, various corporations, and others having control over the e-mail networks. So far I think there hasn’t been actual e-mail blocking (except maybe through the remailers), but I’m starting to feel that everything private I write and read from this account may be or become intercepted.  As a result, I have hesitated from initiating certain communications with important scholars, faculty members, and government officials over sensitive issues, things I’m writing and researching, etc. Whether there is agreement or disagreement among people, it is imperative that they understand the need for privacy in communications.  E-mail can be intercepted anywhere, read, and brokered.  People can be pitted against each other by third parties.  Important work can be disrupted.  Some of you reading this will hesitate to communicate with me privately, fearing that your message (and identity) must be approved by geeks. A partial solution is the judicious use of is PGP software.  You can download it free for your machines at various sites, such as http://anon.efga.org. After you’ve loaded it up on your computer, make yourselves a 1024 RSA encryption key. Then, for your private communications, do this: 1.  Write your private messages offline into a text file 2.  Encrypt the file so only the recipient can read it.  Do this offline.     The instructions teach you how to do this. 3.  Boot up your e-mail program’s message composer 4.  Paste the encrypted text into the message box 5.  Send the message. PGP effectively seals an e-mail the same way an envelope seals a letter, except you can’t open it to read the contents unless you can decrypt it. Encrypted messages can be scrambled to a bunch of people you know, but read only by the person who has the correct "key".  By scrambling the message to several people, interceptors will not necessarily know who the message is directed to. After you’re PGP’d, let me know.  I’ll be happy to be on your scramble list.  In fact, as these types of privacy abuses become widspread, it may become good netiquette to welcome even people you don’t know to put you on their scramble lists. PGP won’t solve all problems relating to privacy.  Many of the attacks I’ve been subjected to have involved people sneaking up behind me in a library to read my computer screen, and today I found signs of an attempted phone tap in a friend’s private apartment. dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/completeclinton.html "Dummycrats, Oxford morons, and America’s Class Battlelines" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/nobility.html "Which Constitution Is Taught In the Law Schools?" (1993+) http://www.best.com/~dhm/commentaries/admissions-scandal.html "Fraudulent Conviction In Princeton Case – The Grand Jury Should Have Been Indicted" (1992) http://www.best.com/~dhm/policy/riot-act.html Commentary on the Rodney King riots – How the poor are "legally" disfranchised from the legal system by the credentialatura in what is supposed to be a system of justice. http://www.best.com/~dhm/archives/1panth.html "Go To School, Learn To Rule – The Yale Method"  (a rare, insightful Black Panther document which would have been out of your reach.  Compare this to what you were told by the newsmedia and government.) http://www.best.com/~dhm/paloalto-homeless/op2.html Irrational Use of the Homeless Classification By the Police http://www.best.com/~dhm/harvard-troll.html Smear campaign waged against me by young member of a RICO-interest group in Harvard Law School. http://www.best.com/~dhm/radical.html My original on-line publication, with the above links and more. —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzac9U8AAAEEAN9IaX8748zjIEF95FDCDl1ehew5iZ5hiZOAmecgtlGt/3gi VmjXJx9khaiNLpXSnCQjl2Hyo+6Eq8+8vOcNqn2iAorL6a4i3Ta47kMFQcRotyNH voBzwK49ulwd4YepwU0UpOT3gVLR0MyOKaFhojOYDhar+OiMHLVfyNCdYq3ZABEB AAG0G0RhbmllbCBNeWVycyA8ZGhtQGJlc3QuY29tPokAlQMFEDac+Lm1X8jQnWKt 2QEB240D/1ZXEi9+PQCU7bDNQ9OWNgOr8nEkfHo1R1M85M2Ni0dykoIq+9G+D6Hq uG6M1SUTAQ07qn7KgtMpdcQmyoasOPLXk8JK1PThoaBNKVZjcq8Z1O36RZmNWmOb LoObS8Hx4ieQLmdqyF+px18n3PQXibDbX/QLhh38fdFe/5ziofOd =fd+R —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– dhm

Response:

Question:

I’d be very interested in what procedures other CPAs are actually performing when adjusting clients’ Quickbooks or Peachtree accounting data at ends of periods. Under traditional accounting practices you prepare a paper voucher or other evidence, staple the source document to it, punch it into a file in sequential order, and write the sequential Journal Entry number on it……. then post your Adjusting Journal Entry, or Reversing or Correcting entry, and the revised corrected journal entry. But when there are numerous misclassifications, it’s awfully tempting to put the cursor on that sucker, and just pull down the Accounts List, and change the account it is posted to. For some of my clients, the traditional approach is like fashioning a silk purse out of a sows ear… they can’t afford the time and fees for it anyway. Honestly, I’m thinking of a whole new kind of Journal, called a Reclassifcations Journal, maintained separately in Excel or something, with perhaps these columns: Transaction Type (invoice, disbursement etc) Date   Account Originally Posted Account Changed to: Transaction Type changed to: Perhaps I would need a collection of Reclassification Journals, for Accounts, Periods, Etc.   Similarly, the Journals should make it very fast and easy to record a deletion of a transaction, etc.  

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’d be very interested in what procedures other CPAs are actually performing when adjusting clients’ Quickbooks or Peachtree accounting data at ends of periods. Under traditional accounting practices you prepare a paper voucher or other evidence, staple the source document to it, punch it into a file in sequential order, and write the sequential Journal Entry number on it……. then post your Adjusting Journal Entry, or Reversing or Correcting entry, and the revised corrected journal entry. But when there are numerous misclassifications, it’s awfully tempting to put the cursor on that sucker, and just pull down the Accounts List, and change the account it is posted to. For some of my clients, the traditional approach is like fashioning a silk purse out of a sows ear… they can’t afford the time and fees for it anyway. Honestly, I’m thinking of a whole new kind of Journal, called a Reclassifcations Journal, maintained separately in Excel or something, with perhaps these columns: Transaction Type (invoice, disbursement etc) Date   Account Originally Posted Account Changed to: Transaction Type changed to: Perhaps I would need a collection of Reclassification Journals, for Accounts, Periods, Etc.   Similarly, the Journals should make it very fast and easy to record a deletion of a transaction, etc.  

Hi Todd: We do most work in original QB client files or Accountant’s Review copies. We try to do it fast enough so clients automatically base future entries on our revised work. Email is important for this. We start by seeing if we can condense old periods to increase speed. No clients do this. We then combine account or payee names and run comparative financials. If prior difference are significant we zero the income statement in an entry and enter prior final balances in a second. A third and fourth entry do this for the balance sheet. We then run reports by payee for accounts we question. We can drill down in them to move entries for some payees to different accounts. If there are many transactions for a payee, and the change would be of no interest to Internal Revenue, we may make entries with payee names as explanations, with some memo field detail. This zeroes out the payee total, in accounts from which we transfer. We create an other asset JOURNAL account for our entries. We include a zero entry to this account in balanced split Edited entries. This lets us list our entries separately from client entries. We supply tax return copies for credit purposes and rarely issue financials. This lets us use QB as a tax return workpaper. Our chart of accounts has net operating income equal to page one net taxable income, less half of entertainment. Mike Block, C.P.A. Tax Fighter, 954-566-7540,  fax 7541 QuickBooks Professional Advisor, Multi-User Test Winner   biz.comp.accounting co-moderator for spam free news         NO TAX INCREASES without voter approval    275 E Oakland Park Blvd, Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33334

Response:

Well, I just "put the cursor on that sucker and just pull down the Accounts List, and change the account it is posted to".  Of course, I have small business clients, someone with more data might do it differently.  I’m now the only one making entries, so I don’t need all that other documentation. For special entries that need to be made, I just make sure that there is sufficient detail in the entry so someone can figure out why it was made.

Response:

This works well only if you are in the current accounting period. If you are not, you will have to go back and re-print all your reports and financial statements. This is the most classic mess non-accounting people can make with intuitive-type accounting software. It used to be accountants/bookkeepers did accounting work, ship builders built ships, etc. The ship builder can now do accounting at about the same level I make a ship!! Julie Klar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I just "put the cursor on that sucker and just pull down the Accounts List, and change the account it is posted to".  Of course, I have small business clients, someone with more data might do it differently.  I’m now the only one making entries, so I don’t need all that other documentation. For special entries that need to be made, I just make sure that there is sufficient detail in the entry so someone can figure out why it was made.

Response:

Question:

Is anybody aware of a good (and not outrageously expensive) accounting package, with source code for VB? Joseph I. Ceasar

Response:

What do you consider outrageously expensive?  State of the Art has a Client/Server product called Acuity Financials that has source available. The client side is VB with the Server Microsoft SQL Server 6.5.  It’s a middle market system so it isn’t going to be cheap like PeachTree or MAS90, but it isn’t SAP either.  check it out http://www.sota.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anybody aware of a good (and not outrageously expensive) accounting package, with source code for VB?

Response:

VB aside, one thing to keep in mind is that most of the high-end accounting software developers will make source code available — for a price.  It is rarely included and it is usually expensive.  Also be aware that  making source code changes can be risky and expensive.  The risk is that you have a programmer making changes who does not understand audit trails or that debits must equal credits and so forth.  Also source code changes tend to have to be totally re-written everytime you wish to update your software. I would take a long, hard look at the type of changes you desire and see if they can be accomplished without source code.  Many of the high-end packages can had add-ons written for them to add logic or functionality without changing source code. Alan C. Whitehouse The Resource Group Great Plains Software VAR & ISV 1400 Talbot Rd. S., Suite 301 Renton, WA  98055 (425) 277-4760 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you consider outrageously expensive?  State of the Art has a Client/Server product called Acuity Financials that has source available. The client side is VB with the Server Microsoft SQL Server 6.5.  It’s a middle market system so it isn’t going to be cheap like PeachTree or MAS90, but it isn’t SAP either.  check it out http://www.sota.com Is anybody aware of a good (and not outrageously expensive) accounting package, with source code for VB?

Response:

Intech Software has a package that comes with source code.  Prices start at 295 per module.  Their web page is www.generaloffice.com  I have no idea if their stuff is any good.  Just that it’s there. If you do happen to try it, I would love to hear how it goes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anybody aware of a good (and not outrageously expensive) accounting package, with source code for VB? Joseph I. Ceasar

Response:

Solomon is another VB based package that ships with source code.  I have no idea what it costs. Tony Selke

Response:

I know of one more, check out: http://www.bayoucitysystems.com/ I don’t know how good it is, I only know it exists John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Solomon costs A LOT. Anywhere from $3-10 grand. A friend of mine was working for a Solomon support co. as a "Certified Soloman Developer". Said it kept crashing & pulling blue screens, drove him away to work on other more stable things like SQL Server. The Docs on Solomon will make your mouth water, the code looks good but its a little overextended to be stable. The Price will kill you unless you’re working for some deep pockets Fortune 500 co. that dislikes SAP. Solomon is another VB based package that ships with source code.  I have no idea what it costs. Tony Selke

Response:

According to an ad in January’s VBPJ, try http://www.generaloffice.com they advertise accounting modules, complete with source code…if you are looking to modify one, try the book Accounting and Finance Developers Guide with Visual Basic, it comes with a complete system on disk, so you can modify to your hearts content. HTH Wendy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know of one more, check out: http://www.bayoucitysystems.com/ I don’t know how good it is, I only know it exists John Solomon costs A LOT. Anywhere from $3-10 grand. A friend of mine was working for a Solomon support co. as a "Certified Soloman Developer". Said it kept crashing & pulling blue screens, drove him away to work on other more stable things like SQL Server. The Docs on Solomon will make your mouth water, the code looks good but its a little overextended to be stable. The Price will kill you unless you’re working for some deep pockets Fortune 500 co. that dislikes SAP. Solomon is another VB based package that ships with source code.  I have no idea what it costs. Tony Selke

Response:

The accounting program that is on disc is for VB3 and will not work with VB4 or VB5.

Response:

Question:

The sad fact is that the holidays come at the end of the year and that is when many companies ‘clean out’ to reduce their resource expense for the coming year.  I was informed in Dec 93 that my division was being dissolved and I may not have a job; in December 94 that we were purchasing a company and we would have to interview to get a new job in the merged companies. This year I was informed in November that 600 of us were being outsourced as of 2/1/97.  To say it affects one’s attitude during the holidays is an understatement. — Camille It keeps me in stitches – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What kind of jerk tells an employee something like that during the holidays?

Response:

I wonder if they are any relation to the jerk who told my Mom (after she had finished the jerk’s entire end of the month accounting in a single morning)–that she was being "let go… in favor of someone more youthful and energetic…"   (Mom was in her mid 50’s)

Um, so how much money did your mom get when she sued the pants off the jerk for age discrimination?? Kimbo, who doesn’t take kindly to discrimination in any form

Response:

What kind of jerk tells an employee something like that during the holidays …

I know how you feel, I lost my job November 8th and have been actively seeking employment but I have not found anything yet.  My 13 yr. old son has needed me twice in that time for several days due to his best friend dying and then he needed oral surgery.  So it has worked out for the best in that aspect.  I get depressed at times, but I am getting more stitching and quilting done.  Good luck in your search. Irene J. Bunner

Response:

My husband was laid off the week before Christmas.  How’s that for holiday spirit? Mary — http://users.twave.net/Alexander/ | What kind of jerk tells an employee something like that during the | holidays? | | Here is hoping that you manage to find something else soon.  What is it | that you do?  Is there anything we can do to help? | | Jenn Maples | http://www.sonic.net/~jlmaples | | I was informed a few days after Christmas that I was no longer needed at | work, no warning. I am really depressed about it. Maybe, I’ll catch up | on a few UFOs. | | |

Response:

boy did that interest and those penalties add up…. ;.)

Christina – I like your style.  Don’t get mad get even….

Response:

What kind of jerk tells an employee something like that during the holidays? Here is hoping that you manage to find something else soon.  What is it that you do?  Is there anything we can do to help? Jenn Maples http://www.sonic.net/~jlmaples – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was informed a few days after Christmas that I was no longer needed at work, no warning. I am really depressed about it. Maybe, I’ll catch up on a few UFOs.

Response:

What kind of jerk tells an employee something like that during the holidays? Here is hoping that you manage to find something else soon.  What is it that you do?  Is there anything we can do to help? Jenn Maples I was informed a few days after Christmas that I was no longer needed at work, no warning. I am really depressed about it. Maybe, I’ll catch up on a few UFOs.

Oh, I’m so sorry.  I know how unbelievably unfair this can be.  The day my DH and I came home from our honeymoon, the same thing happened to him (nice way to start a marriage, huh?  and child support to pay and a wedding/honeymoon to pay off to boot!)   Whatever you decide to do, please be sure you stay in contact with those who love you the most – your family, your friends, us.  You have a right to be mad and to be depressed, but please share it with others. — Karin (who has been through that depression and knows what it can do) "Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend.  Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read." — Groucho Marx

Response:

Question:

Can anyone recommend a good resource about composting paper or for using shredded paper, newspaper or other types as a mulch in the garden??

"… good men must commit themselves to the glories of love."                                                Martin Luther King Jr.

Shredded newspaper is indeed a good mulch, like shredded leaves. I used to sneak into the copy room at work during lunch to shred stacks of paper for the garden. I also used the computer papers accounting shredded. Shredded paper is great bedding for composting worms, and an active worm pit can consume incredible amounts of it. I understand that paper can take the place of leaves or straw in composting — that is, it provides the dry, carbonaceous material. Regards, Robert

Response:

Can anyone recommend a good resource about composting paper or for using shredded paper, newspaper or other types as a mulch in the garden?? Thanks — Thomas C. Waters I always assume someone is gay unless they tell me otherwise. "When evil men plot, good men must plan.  When evil men burn and bomb, good men must build and bind.  When evil men shout ugly words of hatred, good men must commit themselves to the glories of love."                                                 Martin Luther King Jr.

Response:

I’ve used shredded paper in the compost heap (no coloured inks!) Are the colored inks really bad? If so, why?

Colors are created with the same chemicals/pigments paint is made from. Read the labels on paint for the hazards – chromium yellow, cadmium red are examples that cause liver damage. You could check with OSHA for a complete report.

Response:

I’ve used newsprint added to clay soil to make it a bit better. — "You are not ready for Immortality" Kosh on Babylon 5

Response:

Having just finished shredding my out-of-date records and bills from the early ’90s, I wonder if the shredded paper is useful in the compost pile along with the plant material I’ve added there.  Has anyone tried using shredded paper in the compost heap?  Did it make a worthwhile addition? Regards —

I work for Georgia-Pacific, and I can tell you that paper would work fine with your compost — it’s pine and hardwood pulp and will decompose fine.  The two things you’ll want to watch out for are the inks (both color and black).  The color can be toxic, and the black carries trace metallic elements.  The black shouldn’t hurt, as long as you don’t go whole hog and put in cartons and cartons and cartons. And if you have colored paper (like yellow post-it’s), you may want to avoid that, too.  The dye there is actually put in during the papermaking process. The other thing you’ll want to watch is the ph.  Depending on the process used to bleach the paper, it could raise or lower the acidity. Otherwise, go to it!  No only are you adding pulp, but it you use white office paper, you also be adding calcium to your compost.

Response:

The shredded paper you have would be an excellent addition of carbon to your compost system.  Having shredded it is an added bonus!  Balance it with roughly equal volumes of garden waste that is still vibrant in color; like grass clippings, spent flowers and veggies (I know you have a lot of those this time of year ) and such.  these are rich in nitrogen.  Keep the pile moist and turn it as often as you can.  Great home recycling you’re doing! Kelly Slocum Vermiculture specialist Clark County Washington – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having just finished shredding my out-of-date records and bills from the early ’90s, I wonder if the shredded paper is useful in the compost pile along with the plant material I’ve added there.  Has anyone tried using shredded paper in the compost heap?  Did it make a worthwhile addition? Regards —

Response:

I’ve used shredded paper in the compost heap (no coloured inks!)

Are the colored inks really bad? If so, why? Linda

Response:

Jim, I’ve been using my shredded records in my compost for a few years.  My grass grows so fast I always have more grass clippings than I can leave on the lawn and more than the amount of dried leaves.  I mix them about half & half with the grass and the pile heats up well in a few days.  Turn the pile frequently and keep just moist.   Julie L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Having just finished shredding my out-of-date records and bills from the early ’90s, I wonder if the shredded paper is useful in the compost pile along with the plant material I’ve added there.  Has anyone tried using shredded paper in the compost heap?  Did it make a worthwhile addition? Regards —

Response:

I’ve used shredded paper in the compost heap (no coloured inks!) and it works fine if it’s spread thinly throughout as opposed to all in a lump (although even a lump will eventually break down). Also left a large bag of it out for a few years and when I finally went to add it to the compost heap it already had it’s own population of earthworms and other insects… I’ve also used finely shredded paper (about 1" x 1/16") to mulch under Rhododendrons, which certainly makes them stand out (until bark mulch was put on top!) and caused no problems — Leo Smit,   Mt Uniacke, Nova Scotia, Canada;                      USDA Zone 5, sort-of

Response:

Having just finished shredding my out-of-date records and bills from the early ’90s, I wonder if the shredded paper is useful in the compost pile along with the plant material I’ve added there.  Has anyone tried using shredded paper in the compost heap?  Did it make a worthwhile addition? Regards —

Response:

Having just finished shredding my out-of-date records and bills from the early ’90s, I wonder if the shredded paper is useful in the compost pile along with the plant material I’ve added there.  Has anyone tried using shredded paper in the compost heap?  Did it make a worthwhile addition? Regards —

I’ve read that a lot of people do it. I for one do not. I have enough grass clippings and leaves to supply all I need. John Huff Home Page: http://web2.airmail.net/jhu554

Response:

I put shredded wet newspaper, only black and white, (the color ink isn’t good) as a base for garden beds in the spring.  It helps with water retention and it can be laid in sheets for weed block.  My guess is that it would take a while to compost.   Michele

Response: