Hi, I’ve just had this email from a competitor who is selling the same thing as me: "IF WERE BOTH going to sell the (widget) how about we both sell for 1.99 ? deal?" How do you think I should respond to that?? I would have thought this was illegal. Thanks
I certainly would not respond. But, then again, I would not sell anything on eBay that anybody else does. Rule #1 is to offer unique products not available elsewhere. There is nothing in the UCC concerning price fixing or bid rigging. But the Sherman Antitrust Act may apply for interstate or international transactions. Also, an opening price of $1.99 is fundamentally insane. The minimum profitable eBay sale is $19.63. http://www.tinaja.com/glib/ebaysell.pdf — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mon, May 2, 2005, 8:16pm (CDT+5) (BrotherBart) Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit. Well shit!. The Department of Justice can just close up the Antitrust Division then and save a bunch of money. Those fools have been spending all this time enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act when they didn’t need to. The fine is only up to $350,000 and/or three years in a Federal pen for an individual. and ten mil for a corporation.
This applies to PUBLICLY traded companies. If your company is not on a stock exchange in the USA; then it isn’t publicly traded and not subject to price regulations nor even standard accounting procedures. I doubt many eBay sellers are listed on stock exchanges How price fixing works it like this Let’s say it works like this I work for Westin (public traded as Starwood) and call up Marriott (also publicly traded) If I say I’m Fred from the Westin what are your prices today, this is PRICE FIXING. However if I say "What are your prices for today" when I call the Marriott w/o identifying myself from the Westin it is NOT price fixing. See the fine line one walks with that.
If you believe that, I have a nice bridge in New York for sale and some waterfront property in Florida.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit. Well shit!. The Department of Justice can just close up the Antitrust Division then and save a bunch of money. Those fools have been spending all this time enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act when they didn’t need to. The fine is only up to $350,000 and/or three years in a Federal pen for an individual. and ten mil for a corporation. Call’em and tell them you said knock it off. (And for your information, gas stations do not "do it all the time". They do set their prices based on what they see each other doing just like airlines, and ebay sellers for that matter, but they damn sure know better than to talk to each other about pricing.)
American Businesses do the same thing every day, if you’re making more money at 1.99 do it. Amoco would.
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I have a grand that says the first one published their intention to raise the price and the other one followed shortly thereafter.
I’ll see your grand and raise you a spinet. Lumpy — Hey Spanky! Can you make it on May 20th? www.digitalcartography.com/gigs.htm
I was living in Boston about 25 years ago when the two daily newspapers in town both raised their newsstand price from 35 cents to 50 cents, and damned if it didn’t happen on the same day. Must be one of those amazing coincidences that’s just the result of sunspots or something, as the Feds didn’t knock on either door. Maybe both papers are owned by the same company? Or maybe they both buy their paper or ink from the same place and got the same increase in cost at the same time? I have a grand that says the first one published their intention to raise the price and the other one followed shortly thereafter.
That’s another possibility that I hadn’t thought of … though it seems like if both papers sell for 35 cents and one raises the price to 50 cents, most people would buy the 35 cent paper, if for no other reason than because it was cheaper.
And there’s a fairy at the bottom of my garden, too. You mean they know better than to "get caught talking to each other" Eighteen years with a major oil company in marketing says you do not know what the fuck you are babbling about.
Are you trying to tell us that there are no fairies in the bottom of the gardens of the major oil companies? — Tony Cooper Orlando FL
I was living in Boston about 25 years ago when the two daily newspapers in town both raised their newsstand price from 35 cents to 50 cents, and damned if it didn’t happen on the same day. Must be one of those amazing coincidences that’s just the result of sunspots or something, as the Feds didn’t knock on either door. Maybe both papers are owned by the same company? Or maybe they both buy their paper or ink from the same place and got the same increase in cost at the same time?
I have a grand that says the first one published their intention to raise the price and the other one followed shortly thereafter.
"HHH" wrote … I’ve just had this email from a competitor who is selling the same thing as me: "IF WERE BOTH going to sell the (widget) how about we both sell for 1.99 ? deal?"
So he’s charging less for shipping? — Andrew http://www.weirdity/ebay/
I was living in Boston about 25 years ago when the two daily newspapers in town both raised their newsstand price from 35 cents to 50 cents, and damned if it didn’t happen on the same day. Must be one of those amazing coincidences that’s just the result of sunspots or something, as the Feds didn’t knock on either door.
Maybe both papers are owned by the same company? Or maybe they both buy their paper or ink from the same place and got the same increase in cost at the same time?
And there’s a fairy at the bottom of my garden, too. You mean they know better than to "get caught talking to each other"
Eighteen years with a major oil company in marketing says you do not know what the fuck you are babbling about.
"BrotherBart" wrote … And for your information, gas stations do not "do it all the time". They do set their prices based on what they see each other doing … but they damn sure know better than to talk to each other …
And there’s a fairy at the bottom of my garden, too. You mean they know better than to "get caught talking to each other" — Andrew http://www.weirdity/ebay/
Also, an opening price of $1.99 is fundamentally insane. The minimum profitable eBay sale is $19.63. Please explain why *YOU* Don have a number of items currently listed with opening bids considerably less than $19.63 right now. Ed
Because they are normally sold in quantity. Because the price goes up before closing. Because the "I’ll take them all’s" normally go for hundreds to thousands of dollars. Our average billing per shipment is way above $19.63 It is extremely rare for us to sell for less. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
May be illegal or not – who cares – If it is all the oil companies and most big & small retailers would be in court
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit. Well shit!. The Department of Justice can just close up the Antitrust Division then and save a bunch of money. Those fools have been spending all this time enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act when they didn’t need to. The fine is only up to $350,000 and/or three years in a Federal pen for an individual. and ten mil for a corporation. Call’em and tell them you said knock it off. (And for your information, gas stations do not "do it all the time". They do set their prices based on what they see each other doing just like airlines, and ebay sellers for that matter, but they damn sure know better than to talk to each other about pricing.)
I was living in Boston about 25 years ago when the two daily newspapers in town both raised their newsstand price from 35 cents to 50 cents, and damned if it didn’t happen on the same day. Must be one of those amazing coincidences that’s just the result of sunspots or something, as the Feds didn’t knock on either door.
Also, an opening price of $1.99 is fundamentally insane. The minimum profitable eBay sale is $19.63.
Please explain why *YOU* Don have a number of items currently listed with opening bids considerably less than $19.63 right now. Ed
Also, an opening price of $1.99 is fundamentally insane. The minimum profitable eBay sale is $19.63.
Maybe he’s charging $17.64 for shipping. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany — "it’s the network…" "The Journey is the reward" Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit. Well shit!. The Department of Justice can just close up the Antitrust Division then and save a bunch of money. Those fools have been spending all this time enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act when they didn’t need to. The fine is only up to $350,000 and/or three years in a Federal pen for an individual. and ten mil for a corporation. Call’em and tell them you said knock it off. (And for your information, gas stations do not "do it all the time". They do set their prices based on what they see each other doing just like airlines, and ebay sellers for that matter, but they damn sure know better than to talk to each other about pricing.)
Yeah. And we all know how honest those price gouging grease monkeys are. I did misread the original post. I thought it said opening bid. A fixed price BIN collusion would be illegal. About on the same level as burning a DVD though in this particular case. The DOJ isn’t interested in the small stuff. Yet it’s illegal all the same. My mistake. Back to the gas stations. The antitrust act does not tolerate: "large price changes involving more than one seller of very similar products of different brands, particularly if the price changes are of equal amount and occur at the same time." Can you say Shell, Texaco, Exxon, etc. And it’s done right under our noses every summer, during holiday seasons, travel seasons and beyond. In many cases oil prices were declining, but they still gouged the crap out of us anyway. I imagine if the DOJ doesn’t enforce the billions gouged from us every year, they probably won’t send in the troops for a $1.99 auction. And WHY don’t they go after the oil companies. You know the answer to that one. Cause the govt. steals about 40 to 50 cents a gallon. Currently, the average family pays about $660 a year in fuel taxes, according to the American Petroleum Institute. Sources: http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/antitrust/antitrus.htm http://money.cnn.com/2003/02/26/pf/taxes/gastaxes/
If the two of you have a monopoly on said widget it would be illegal…otherwise I’m not sure.
Acting so as to restrain trade is illegal. Not that they will give a hoot about some trivial ebay monopoly. Hi, I’ve just had this email from a competitor who is selling the same thing as me: "IF WERE BOTH going to sell the (widget) how about we both sell for 1.99 ? deal?" How do you think I should respond to that?? I would have thought this was illegal. Thanks
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Hi, I’ve just had this email from a competitor who is selling the same thing as me: "IF WERE BOTH going to sell the (widget) how about we both sell for 1.99 ? deal?" How do you think I should respond to that?? I would have thought this was illegal. Thanks
Hi, I’ve just had this email from a competitor who is selling the same thing as me: "IF WERE BOTH going to sell the (widget) how about we both sell for 1.99 ? deal?" How do you think I should respond to that??
I would ignore it and sell my widget at the price point that is best for me. I would have thought this was illegal.
It’s collusion. Hardly worth prosecuting over though. Just thinking out loud here – eBay might consider it "Auction Interference" and boot the seller if you forward the email to them. A
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That seller has to be an idiot to think it is ok to e-mail other sellers and say they should all sell for the same price! Any person with common sense knows competitiors are forbidden from "price fixing" in the normal marketplace and eBay would frown on that there too. They may not act ok it if reported, but it’s not smart. I would just ignore the e-mail all together, charge whatever you choose and move on. You don’t want to get into an exchange with this loser.
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Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit.
Illegal? Hardly. I think people have been watching too much TV. In some cases it makes sense to coordinate prices. Gas stations do it all the time. The answer to your question is do what works best for your profit.
Well shit!. The Department of Justice can just close up the Antitrust Division then and save a bunch of money. Those fools have been spending all this time enforcing the Sherman Antitrust Act when they didn’t need to. The fine is only up to $350,000 and/or three years in a Federal pen for an individual. and ten mil for a corporation. Call’em and tell them you said knock it off. (And for your information, gas stations do not "do it all the time". They do set their prices based on what they see each other doing just like airlines, and ebay sellers for that matter, but they damn sure know better than to talk to each other about pricing.)
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Hey, if I owned a brewpub/resaurant and AB threatened to pull their product, I’d probably hold the door for em! You’d probably say what one pub owner once told me – "Say what you will about Bud but that tap gives me the luxury of affording to keep the good stuff on hand".
There is a German Beer Garden here in Cincy which started in 1865 – Mecklenburg Gardens – that has 16 taps, none of which has ever passed a Budmilloors product. They probably have Bud, etc. in bottles, but I can’t remember seeing one around being drank. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tony V. LS6-b "6N"
Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff. Theoretically, you are correct, however the Feds threaten to jerk a state’s highway funds if it does not tow the line. To my knowledge all states now are 21 for any alcohol.
The Constitution doesn’t give them the right to set a national drinking age so they use extortion instead. "We won’t give you YOUR money back unless you…." Of course they could just pass a law and say it effects commerce between the sates and use that as a grounds like they do for most other laws they don’t have the authority to pass. Not that I’m for or against the 21 year old drinking age but if the Fed’s want to have a national drinking age then they should pass a constitutional amendment to do so. Mike — Process Software Phone: 800 722-7770 x369 959 Concord St. 508 879-6994 x369 Framingham MA 01701-4682 FAX: 508 879-0042
The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21? I say either up the limits on tobacco, voting and the military, or drop the drinking age down to 18…
The US has a tough time figuring out that a laissez-faire attitude towards "sins" seems to produce much more socially beneficial results than a hard line. Take the war on drugs – those who compare the US’s drug use rate with the Netherlands already know which country’s policy works better. (Not even withstanding the prison-complex solutions the US often uses for social-moral type of problems – on simple usage terms, The Netherlands has a much lower rate.) Sad to say, this extension rolls over to drinking as well, and 21 satisfies the moral teetotaller types to a degree. It’s unfortunate that we have to listen to them. Almost *all* studies show that moderate drinking is considerably more healthy than the anti-alcohol extreme. 
I started a bit early too, though here the drinking age is 18. I think i started brewing a few months earlier than my 18th birthday. Used the same ‘no legal age for buying hops etc..’ logic. And I wasn’t brewing with the intention of brewing Coors et al. Fight the power! John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is 18 legal to vote and old enough to join the military but not drink? That would be "gubmet logic." I responded by starting to brew at 18, there being no age limit to purchase yeast, hops, or malted barley (the 80-something HB shop owner and I had a good chuckle over that as I bought my first kit).
Why not set the Drinking age like 25 or even thirty since most early 20’s are still immature? Why is 18 legal to vote and old enough to join the military but not drink?
Like I said I’m not for or against the 21 year limit. I can see pro’s and cons to both sides. If it was my choice I would have a 16 year drinking age but you couldn’t drive until you were 21. Nothing in the Constitution is clear and precise and every day the Court system can and will interpreted it differently.
That’s why it includes a procedure to amend it. We should have long ago cleared up a lot of the ambiguities in the Constitution via amendments. Welcome a Democracy.
If we created laws via a democratic process this country would be a scary place! Laws are easier to change and enforce than a Constitutional amendment, but remember those can be changed or repealed, Ever hear of Prohibition?
I have heard of Prohibition and I do understand that laws are easier to change then a Constitutional amendment. I think currently there are two many laws passed that the government has no right to pass. Most would probably not be passed by Constitutional amendment either – which is fine with me. — Process Software Phone: 800 722-7770 x369 959 Concord St. 508 879-6994 x369 Framingham MA 01701-4682 FAX: 508 879-0042
Why is 18 legal to vote and old enough to join the military but not drink?
That would be "gubmet logic." I responded by starting to brew at 18, there being no age limit to purchase yeast, hops, or malted barley (the 80-something HB shop owner and I had a good chuckle over that as I bought my first kit).
Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff. Theoretically, you are correct, however the Feds threaten to jerk a state’s highway funds if it does not tow the line. To my knowledge all states now are 21 for any alcohol.
Aint it great that we’re a union of individual states? Individual states that are threatened by the federal governement to comply with their rule, or else. Dunno why we bother to have states anymore… its just one big thing ruled by the central govnernment anyway. Just expressing my annoyance.
I’m sure you are allowed to buy liquor at a package store on a military reservation if you are 18. At least I did when I was at Ft. Knox. It was a great way to meet STANKY girls from that little town just outside the gate… -Brett – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses. The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21? I say either up the limits on tobacco, voting and the military, or drop the drinking age down to 18… At least, that’s what I think (and yes, I have spoken to Rep. Rehberg about this…he was Lt. Gov of MT at the time). — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk
I have worked in many places and I still have to go to places where BUDMILLOORS drinkers made it possible to actually enjoy a beer from other breweries. Europe is starting to have to fend off BUDMILLOORS. Now if I ever win the Texas Lottery I will be able to do that but until then…….just dreams
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, if I owned a brewpub/resaurant and AB threatened to pull their product, I’d probably hold the door for em! — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk The beer distributers are very powerful, and even if you were a licensed brewery (I know a couple who are) you’d find it nearly impossible to get tap space. AB wouldn’t have to compete. All they’d have to do is threaten the bar owner with pulling their product. Guess who’d lose.
Why not set the Drinking age like 25 or even thirty since most early 20’s are still immature? Why is 18 legal to vote and old enough to join the military but not drink? Nothing in the Constitution is clear and precise and every day the Court system can and will interpreted it differently. Welcome a Democracy. Laws are easier to change and enforce than a Constitutional amendment, but remember those can be changed or repealed, Ever hear of Prohibition?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff. Theoretically, you are correct, however the Feds threaten to jerk a state’s highway funds if it does not tow the line. To my knowledge all states now are 21 for any alcohol. The Constitution doesn’t give them the right to set a national drinking age so they use extortion instead. "We won’t give you YOUR money back unless you…." Of course they could just pass a law and say it effects commerce between the sates and use that as a grounds like they do for most other laws they don’t have the authority to pass. Not that I’m for or against the 21 year old drinking age but if the Fed’s want to have a national drinking age then they should pass a constitutional amendment to do so. Mike —
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Hey, if I owned a brewpub/resaurant and AB threatened to pull their product, I’d probably hold the door for em! — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The beer distributers are very powerful, and even if you were a licensed brewery (I know a couple who are) you’d find it nearly impossible to get tap space. AB wouldn’t have to compete. All they’d have to do is threaten the bar owner with pulling their product. Guess who’d lose.
Hey, if I owned a brewpub/resaurant and AB threatened to pull their product, I’d probably hold the door for em!
You’d probably say what one pub owner once told me – "Say what you will about Bud but that tap gives me the luxury of affording to keep the good stuff on hand". Tony V. LS6-b "6N"
Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff.
Which ones still split the law? I think none. http://www.madd.org/stats/0,1056,4565,00.html My understanding (could be wrong) was that if a state did not adopt the 21 drinking age, they would loose Federal road funding. IIIRC LA was the last to fold, in 1988… Cheers, Mike
Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff.
Theoretically, you are correct, however the Feds threaten to jerk a state’s highway funds if it does not tow the line. To my knowledge all states now are 21 for any alcohol. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses. The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21? I say either up the limits on tobacco, voting and the military, or drop the drinking age down to 18… At least, that’s what I think (and yes, I have spoken to Rep. Rehberg about this…he was Lt. Gov of MT at the time).
Age of drinkers is determined by each state not the federal gov. Feds say min age is 18 but each state has the right to rise the age limit. Some states have 19 for beer and 21 for the hard stuff. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses. The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21? I say either up the limits on tobacco, voting and the military, or drop the drinking age down to 18… At least, that’s what I think (and yes, I have spoken to Rep. Rehberg about this…he was Lt. Gov of MT at the time).
Heck, you have that in common with just about everybody who in the homebrewing/microbrewing business! Right, Listermann? ;^) There’s an old joke that can be applied to this: Q: What’s the best way to make a million dollars in the microbrewing business? A: Start with TWO million!
It is a great way to ruin an engineering career as well. . . I toy with a brew pub idea. I have a great building in a good location with plenty of parking. I don’t have the time or money to do it. I don’t want to be a full boogie restaurant with all the stuff that goes with it including their high failure rate, but I would have munchies. In Ohio it will cost about $7500 a year for a license. I also toy with the microbrewery idea. It is a tough row to hoe. There is one in town that is getting along without bottling, but they would do a whole lot better if they did bottle. Believing that I could get shelf space in the local carry out is fantasy. — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com Free shipping for orders greater than $35 and East of the Mighty Miss.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – However, the zero limit on sale of homebrew – now you’re talking. I would love to see homebrew on tap at my favorite restaurant or even in bottles at the store. But then the problems would be taxes and more likely profitability. If there was 30 different brown ales available at the local package store it would drive the price of brown ale down considerably. The same could be said for any style of beer. It would put a lot of homebrewers out of business in a short time. You’d likely see AB producing a brown ale to stay competitive and to keep any would-be brewers out of "their" market (doesn’t AB’s Michelob already do something like that? yuck). Only the big boys with lots of money would win this battle, and the local microbrewers/ brewpubs would seriously suffer. I doubt most of them have enough money to advertise and compete in the same market as the really big boys. You’d have an easier time convincing the ATF to allow you to sell it tax free than you would getting many bars to carry it. The beer distributers are very powerful, and even if you were a licensed brewery (I know a couple who are) you’d find it nearly impossible to get tap space. AB wouldn’t have to compete. All they’d have to do is threaten the bar owner with pulling their product. Guess who’d lose. This isn’t just a fantasy. Where I lived in San Luis Obispo, a local liquor store got into an argument with the Miller distributer (no one I know really knows what the argument was about) and the Miller distributer pulled their products for a couple of years. You can figure out who hurt the most on that one. Most of the time the nano-breweries that I know of can only get a restaurant to sell the beer, and then only if it’s in bottles, and it’s a small restaurant. In any case, it not that hard to get a license to brew and wholesale beer. And the license itself it’s not that expensive. Really, the taxes aren’t all that high either. You do have to put up with a lot of accounting, and you have to have locked storage for tax-paid product, etc. But it’s not really that hard. I got the paperwork together and filed way back in the 80’s for this very thing, and it really wasn’t that hard. I don’t mean as a brewpub–you have to have a restaurant for that. I mean as a regular brewery. In the amounts we’d be brewing, you can get special classifications for it. Now, of course my comments don’t apply in those states with wacky alcohol laws. I never could figure out why, in Virginia, I couldn’t buy beer at the store on Sunday, and take it home and drink it watching the football game, but I _could_ go to the bar, get ripped, and try to drive home with it in my belly. Who knows how twisted the laws are in places like that. But in some states, at least, you might find it easier than you think. I don’t brew to get rich… Regards, Mike Sharp
However, the zero limit on sale of homebrew – now you’re talking. I would love to see homebrew on tap at my favorite restaurant or even in bottles at the store. But then the problems would be taxes and more likely profitability. If there was 30 different brown ales available at the local package store it would drive the price of brown ale down considerably. The same could be said for any style of beer. It would put a lot of homebrewers out of business in a short time. You’d likely see AB producing a brown ale to stay competitive and to keep any would-be brewers out of "their" market (doesn’t AB’s Michelob already do something like that? yuck). Only the big boys with lots of money would win this battle, and the local microbrewers/ brewpubs would seriously suffer. I doubt most of them have enough money to advertise and compete in the same market as the really big boys.
You’d have an easier time convincing the ATF to allow you to sell it tax free than you would getting many bars to carry it. The beer distributers are very powerful, and even if you were a licensed brewery (I know a couple who are) you’d find it nearly impossible to get tap space. AB wouldn’t have to compete. All they’d have to do is threaten the bar owner with pulling their product. Guess who’d lose. This isn’t just a fantasy. Where I lived in San Luis Obispo, a local liquor store got into an argument with the Miller distributer (no one I know really knows what the argument was about) and the Miller distributer pulled their products for a couple of years. You can figure out who hurt the most on that one. Most of the time the nano-breweries that I know of can only get a restaurant to sell the beer, and then only if it’s in bottles, and it’s a small restaurant. In any case, it not that hard to get a license to brew and wholesale beer. And the license itself it’s not that expensive. Really, the taxes aren’t all that high either. You do have to put up with a lot of accounting, and you have to have locked storage for tax-paid product, etc. But it’s not really that hard. I got the paperwork together and filed way back in the 80’s for this very thing, and it really wasn’t that hard. I don’t mean as a brewpub–you have to have a restaurant for that. I mean as a regular brewery. In the amounts we’d be brewing, you can get special classifications for it. Now, of course my comments don’t apply in those states with wacky alcohol laws. I never could figure out why, in Virginia, I couldn’t buy beer at the store on Sunday, and take it home and drink it watching the football game, but I _could_ go to the bar, get ripped, and try to drive home with it in my belly. Who knows how twisted the laws are in places like that. But in some states, at least, you might find it easier than you think. I don’t brew to get rich…
Heck, you have that in common with just about everybody who in the homebrewing/microbrewing business! Right, Listermann? ;^) There’s an old joke that can be applied to this: Q: What’s the best way to make a million dollars in the microbrewing business? A: Start with TWO million! Regards, Mike Sharp
Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses. The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking.
To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21? I say either up the limits on tobacco, voting and the military, or drop the drinking age down to 18… At least, that’s what I think (and yes, I have spoken to Rep. Rehberg about this…he was Lt. Gov of MT at the time). — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk
Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21?
I know in the Canadian Militia the unwritten rule was "if you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to drink for your country" and no matter what age you were you got served at the base. cheers, -Alan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses. The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. To this day, I can’t figure this one out….at 18, a person can vote, buy tobacco, and join the military. But they can’t beer? I still have some issues with the gov’t over this (I’m 25 now, btw)…how the hell can we, as Americans, ask somebody to die for this country, and yet not let them have alcohol until they are 21?
"Hey Sarge… this assault we’re about to run is pretty dangerous… we might die up there…" "Yes son, thats true." "Man, I sure could use a beer to steady my nerves." "If you survive this battle, maybe in a few years when you turn 21. Now, go fight produly for your country!" I agree. It’s total BS. I think the whole drinking age thing has to do with maturity and whatnot… but I also think a huge part of underage drinking is "I’m not allowed to do it. I’m gonna do it!" I think there’d be less teen binge drinking if they were allowed to do it legally. A huge part of the thrill wouldnt be there. Anyway. Totally off topic, and I dont want to start a war here.
The 200 gallon limit is, IMO, a paper tiger put in place to keep folks from breaking the law in other ways – i.e.: selling your brew, or in other ways competing with the tax-generating commercial brewer. If I brew 600 gallons, no one is going to be pounding on my door unless I’m doing something else to draw the attention of law enforcement, like selling it, or serving it at regularly scheduled parties in my home where I charge a "cover charge" to get in, etc. So why put the effort into getting the law repealed, when it would only be enforced when you’re operating outside the law in other ways (unless of course, you just want to be able to stay within the letter of the law). For example, a guy near my town brews his beer in 50 gallon all-grain batches in his yard (man, it’s a sight to behold!) and brews more than 4 batches a year. But he doesn’t sell it, or do anything else outside the law (AFAIK), and has never been bothered by law enforcement. Of course, he and his buddies spend alot of time working at his place, and they drink up alot of brew (although, I don’t know if they consume ALL of it on-site). Admittedly, N=1 is no proof that you won’t get busted for breaking the 200 gallon limit, but it is an example. I say Brew On! David Whitwell Half-Whit Brewing Tacoma, Washington "Because Half the Whits Brew, and Half the Whits Don’t"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried talking to their senators/reps about getting the limits on homebrewing raised? I’ve got a pretty good in with US Rep Denny Rehberg, and if I could get some serious backing, I’ll talk to him over a few pints (the man does like good beer!) — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk I’m not advocating breaking the law, but I’ve always wondered how anybody would ever know how much beer you brew in a given year? One can buy ingredients for others, or stock up in advance, etc., so I don’t think anyone really spends time tracking how much malted barley Joe O’Meara is buying. Does the AHA still exist? They might be able to coordinate a 50-state drive to strike the limits from the books. There’s no limit to how much you can buy, so who cares how much you brew (as long as you don’t sell it)? Boycott The Body Shop
Has anyone tried talking to their senators/reps about getting the limits on homebrewing raised? I’ve got a pretty good in with US Rep Denny Rehberg, and if I could get some serious backing, I’ll talk to him over a few pints (the man does like good beer!) — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk
I’m not advocating breaking the law, but I’ve always wondered how anybody would ever know how much beer you brew in a given year? One can buy ingredients for others, or stock up in advance, etc., so I don’t think anyone really spends time tracking how much malted barley Joe O’Meara is buying. Does the AHA still exist? They might be able to coordinate a 50-state drive to strike the limits from the books. There’s no limit to how much you can buy, so who cares how much you brew (as long as you don’t sell it)? Boycott The Body Shop
Has anyone tried talking to their senators/reps about getting the limits on homebrewing raised? I’ve got a pretty good in with US Rep Denny Rehberg, and if I could get some serious backing, I’ll talk to him over a few pints (the man does like good beer!)
First, you’ve gotta be a serious brewer and drinker to surpass 200 gallons/year. Not many of us here reach that number. Secondly… anyone here filling out paperwork and sending it into the government reporting the amounts they are brewing? Anyone here had the cops at your door asking for reports on quantity? Sure… no limits would be nice… but its not a fight I have the time for 
Limits? Which limits? Does anyone really look at how much you brew? I know more then a few people who drink more then you and I brew in a year. I don’t think the Feds are going to knock on your door and ask for receipts for malts, hops, and such. echoing MKloepster’s and Lord Damax’s responses.
The brewing/ drinking age? I’ll leave this alone.. I was a kid once, though I don’t endorse underage drinking. However, the zero limit on sale of homebrew – now you’re talking. I would love to see homebrew on tap at my favorite restaurant or even in bottles at the store. But then the problems would be taxes and more likely profitability. If there was 30 different brown ales available at the local package store it would drive the price of brown ale down considerably. The same could be said for any style of beer. It would put a lot of homebrewers out of business in a short time. You’d likely see AB producing a brown ale to stay competitive and to keep any would-be brewers out of "their" market (doesn’t AB’s Michelob already do something like that? yuck). Only the big boys with lots of money would win this battle, and the local microbrewers/ brewpubs would seriously suffer. I doubt most of them have enough money to advertise and compete in the same market as the really big boys. I’d rather give away a case of my homebrew for free – and receive a case of someone else’s homebrew for free – then try to sell it. I don’t brew to get rich, only to save money and to enjoy and be proud of something that I made with my own spit and sweat. You probably don’t want a case of my homebrew now… my two cents, Buck
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone tried talking to their senators/reps about getting the limits on homebrewing raised? I’ve got a pretty good in with US Rep Denny Rehberg, and if I could get some serious backing, I’ll talk to him over a few pints (the man does like good beer!) — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk
Has anyone tried talking to their senators/reps about getting the limits on homebrewing raised? I’ve got a pretty good in with US Rep Denny Rehberg, and if I could get some serious backing, I’ll talk to him over a few pints (the man does like good beer!) — Joe O’Meara He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to Heaven. Amen." — Unkown Monk
Can anyone guide me to an appropriate software package? Background: Small business – 4 people (networked) Organise onsite interpreting assignments (2hrs to all day) Use many independent contractors Need to know who is doing what job when and ensure that these jobs don’t clash Would be happy to use an oline accounting package into which contractors could log on and enter in their hours worked, however, this is not the most important point. Have been trying out MYOB premier, and it has come to crunch time. Before I lay out $1,000+ I would like some advice as to whether there is something out there that is more appropriate. Ease of use is important as I don’t want to spend a lot of time training new people as they come on board. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Have you looked at your country’s version of Quickbooks 2002? Has many of the features you are asking for. Jack Hatfield Accounting Software Solutions Quickbooks, MAS90 & Businessworks Greentop MO 63546 660-949-2416
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone guide me to an appropriate software package? Background: Small business – 4 people (networked) Organise onsite interpreting assignments (2hrs to all day) Use many independent contractors Need to know who is doing what job when and ensure that these jobs don’t clash Would be happy to use an oline accounting package into which contractors could log on and enter in their hours worked, however, this is not the most important point. Have been trying out MYOB premier, and it has come to crunch time. Before I lay out $1,000+ I would like some advice as to whether there is something out there that is more appropriate. Ease of use is important as I don’t want to spend a lot of time training new people as they come on board. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
It will cost you more money … but, worth the look. Accpac with a third party add-in called Service Manager … it seems to be exectly what you are looking for. http://www.technisoft.com.au/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone guide me to an appropriate software package? Background: Small business – 4 people (networked) Organise onsite interpreting assignments (2hrs to all day) Use many independent contractors Need to know who is doing what job when and ensure that these jobs don’t clash Would be happy to use an oline accounting package into which contractors could log on and enter in their hours worked, however, this is not the most important point. Have been trying out MYOB premier, and it has come to crunch time. Before I lay out $1,000+ I would like some advice as to whether there is something out there that is more appropriate. Ease of use is important as I don’t want to spend a lot of time training new people as they come on board. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
that’s a lot of paws – not to mention fur! very hairy cats! Nice to see and hear from you Inge! lots of lovely pics! so many furries … and that Bandit seem enough to keep you occupied all on his own! Roundabout? =o) — lewe ‘o’< lewemi at yahoo dot se ‘o’< | Hi everyone:-) | | Some perhaps still remember me – however for the others a short | introduction: My name is Inge. When I began to read this NG some years | ago we had 3 cats: Tientje, She and Puschel. Now, that changed (as you | can read in the header). And then Owl and Dax came and then Chiara | came. And Chiara was pregnant. She delivered 5 kitten to the world: 4 | toms and 1 cat. We were firmly convinced of the fact that we would | find new homes for all of the kitten…:) But 1. it comes differently | and 2…. | The kitten were born in the night of 31.10.2001 to 01.11.2001 and are | now 7 months old. I think I reportet here when the babies were born | and gave a link to the pictures of them. Who is interested however, | can amuse himself with my homepage, which in the meantime nearly | bursts from the tons of cat pictures *g*. There the entire birth of | the kitten is documented in pictures from the day of their birth until | today. | First we had no more time for something different than cats, because | the mom-cat had too little milk for her children and we had to hand | feed them. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary – it will be | over when the babies first time start eating by themselves. | Then they could eat by themselves and we still had no time for | something else than cuddling with them and playing because they were | soooo cute and we couldn’t resist watching them develop. We said to | ourselves: that is only temporary -it will pass, when they are | somewhat larger. | Now they were somewhat larger and we still had no time for something | else because they got ‘ free course ‘ in the whole house now and we | had to do all hands full to prevent them from suicidal plays at stairs | and balconies. We secured stairs and balconies and thought, we do not | have to watch them that closely anymore. | However we did not have also ‘ more ‘ time now, because the Bandit, | who was the smallest and most impudent one of the litter always came | up with something new to keep us busy.E.G. he discovered that one | could hang its claws into the woofer of Volkers loudspeakers – thus | the Speakers became secured with screens. Bandit discovered also that | he could drive roundabout on the record player and that there was a | tone arm with such an amusing thing under there, where you could paw | at… Thus the record player got a cover. | We drew a deep breath and believed to have somewhat more time now | which turned out as mistake. The Bandit figured then out that he can | run up the wallpapers and again we had all hands full of work to pick | him from 2,50 m height and grumble with him. Who of you has seen pics | of Bandit knows that grumbling with him is not that easy – he has an | indescribable charm and is irresistibly cute *sigh*. Fortunately the | wallpaper is quite stable and bears the Bandit (still). Particularly | endangered places became ’secured’ with sisal carpets. Yes and then | there still are his sibblings: Lady Mortisha, Cottonball and Smoke. | Correctly, one is missing : -) We gave our Rasputin – we called him | that, because he was the largest in the litter – away. However he | lives not far away with good friends and we visit him regularly. And | he is not longer called Rasputin but Mr. Jingles (buahaha, a | mouse-name!) But enough of it and back to the topic. | As already said above, we didn’t have more time, because the Bandit | still has his sibblings. Everyone of them has his own tick and all | together are endowed ‘battle-cuddler’. | But we didn’t hesitate and told ourselves: That is only temporary. | When they are somewhat older, we give them a new home. The situation | stayed like this for quite some time. And then we became acquainted | with Sirikit and we fell in love with the little girl immediately. | When she was old enough for a new home (14 weeks), Sirikit moved in: | -) Our relatives and friends certified us completely nuts. We didn’t | talk about giving the babies away for a long time and actually we | can’t imagine giving one away. We can’t imagine either how life was | without them – and a life with plenty of time. Who now took in | account, comes on 44 paws. Correctly. One is missing. The Puschel. But | that is another story…. | | And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my | cattidude-shirt:-) | http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm | | Purrs to all of you | Volker & Inge and the catgang | — | In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge | trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, | Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und | Sirikit
<snip We can’t imagine either how life was without them – and a life with plenty of time. Who now took in account, comes on 44 paws. Correctly. One is missing. The Puschel. But that is another story…. And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm
Oh, all of them so are so beautiful! Thankou for letting us "share" them with you. What happened to Puschel? Yowie — RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm
Hi Yowie:-) Oh, all of them so are so beautiful! Thankou for letting us "share" them with you.
thank you:-) I’m glad you like the pics. I could write a book about them. They keep us occupied all day long and even at night we can’t get rest because one of them always want a good scritch:-) Purrs to you, Joell, Fluffy and Shmogg:-) Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Soncek is swelling with pride, because you wrote he is lovely. He is purring doubly hard for you to find a much better job where you will be appreciated as much as we here at rpca appreciate you and where you will be earning a lot of money since you have so many hungry kitty mouths to feed, says Soncek. Best wishes from me too, Polonca
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Polonca & Soncek:-) Oh, I’m so sorry to hear you lost your job. I do hope you get a much better one very soon. I’m sure kitties are happier now that you have more time to spend with them. Maybe you can find a job where you can work from home. Best wishes and purrs for a wonderful job for you, thanks for your good wishes:-) I’m writing applications right now and I think I will not be without work for long:-) Of course some purrs could be helpful:-) Purrs to you and lovely Soncek Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi Gandalf:-) I’ve always said if I had a cat that had kittens, I couldn’t imagine giving even a single one to a new home
In the beginning we were sure, that it would not be a problem, giving the babies away *buahahaha* But now… Bandit is a really pretty cat. It would be difficult/impossible to be angry with him for long. He looks like a little angel, but we all know looks can be deceiving!
You are right. Bandit really looks like an angel. But he definitely is camouflaged *g*. He was the weakest and smallest of the litter. He also was never afraid of anyone or anything. When I think of Bandit the following comes into my mind: curiosity kills the cat… We love him anyway:-) Purrs to you Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi Grace:-) Yup, I remember you. You’re Owl’s meowmy. Still my pick for the cutest kitty contest anyday.
thats correct:-) I’ m Owls meowmy:-) He is the cutest cat I ever met. There is no evil in him at all. He never uses his claws or bites and he has no cattitudes at all. We had him and Dax neutered 2 weeks ago. Before the neutering the only thing he really wanted was beeing close and beeing cuddled. After the neutering it is the same. He has such a pleasant charakter and we love him dearly:-) Purrs to you Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi Christine:-) I can understand why these cuties would be hard to give up! They are adorable and I truly enjoyed following their story from the birthing last year! Thanks so much for the link to the photos — you look a great "slave" in your Cattitude shirt!
Thank you:-) I love my Cattitude shirt very much and I wear it quite often:-) Volker and I started discussion about giving them away recently but we can’t decide with which one to start. So I think they all will stay with us:-) When it comes to new homes for our cats we are quite picky:-) Lots of purrs to you and your lovely cats Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi Lena:-) that’s a lot of paws – not to mention fur! very hairy cats!
They are very hairy *g*. When they changed fur from winter to summer, we had tons of hairballs…. But now it is ok. A could brush once a week helps a lot:-)) lots of lovely pics!
I’m glad you like them:-) I can’t decide which one to take or which one not. So I took them all:-) so many furries … and that Bandit seem enough to keep you occupied all on his own!
That is true. But fortunately the Bandit sleeps sometimes *g*…. Gives me quite some opportunity to do something else:-) Roundabout?
Yes. It is a thing where children can take a ride on on fairs. For Bandit it was Volkers turntable where he could take a ride on *g*. Purrs to you and your sweet kitties Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Whew! I was worried she got lost. Karen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Karen:-) Love the pics!! What happened to Puschel? Thank you for your nice compliment. Puschel doesn’t live here anymore. She is living now with a very nice couple close by. I wrote her story down and I will post it as soon as I have translated it into English:-) Purrs Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me – however for the others a short introduction: My name is Inge. When I began to read this NG some years ago we had 3 cats: Tientje, She and Puschel. Now, that changed (as you can read in the header). And then Owl and Dax came and then Chiara came. And Chiara was pregnant. She delivered 5 kitten to the world: 4 toms and 1 cat.
Inge! It’s great to see you posting again. I’m sorry you lost your job, but I’m sure better things are coming for you. I would find it hard to part with such cute little furballs. You have my admiriation for taking such good care of them. Hazel Az
Hello Hazel:-)) Inge! It’s great to see you posting again. I’m sorry you lost your job, but I’m sure better things are coming for you.
I’ m not that sad about loosing my job. I will soon find another. Good tax advisers/accountants are searched for all the time. And I finally found some time for the NG and a ‘little’ work in the garden:-) I would find it hard to part with such cute little furballs. You have my admiriation for taking such good care of them.
The only thing I can reply to this is: <silent mode We are addicted! </silent mode Purrs to you, your family and your lovely furballs:-) Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Oh, I’m so sorry to hear you lost your job. I do hope you get a much better one very soon. I’m sure kitties are happier now that you have more time to spend with them. Maybe you can find a job where you can work from home. Best wishes and purrs for a wonderful job for you, — Polonca & Soncek
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your warm words. I was there all the time but reading only. After I lost my job recently I have some extra time to participate in this lovely NG. When I worked, I left home at 7:00 and came back at 17:00. First thing I had to do when I came home was cuddling with all of the cats. <snip
Hi everyone:-) SNIP And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang
I’ve always said if I had a cat that had kittens, I couldn’t imagine giving even a single one to a new home Bandit is a really pretty cat. It would be difficult/impossible to be angry with him for long. He looks like a little angel, but we all know looks can be deceiving! ~~~~~~ Life without cats would be only marginally worth living. T.C. and the unmercifully, relentlessly sweet calico Kenzie
Hello Polonca & Soncek:-) Oh, I’m so sorry to hear you lost your job. I do hope you get a much better one very soon. I’m sure kitties are happier now that you have more time to spend with them. Maybe you can find a job where you can work from home. Best wishes and purrs for a wonderful job for you,
thanks for your good wishes:-) I’m writing applications right now and I think I will not be without work for long:-) Of course some purrs could be helpful:-) Purrs to you and lovely Soncek Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi Karen:-) Love the pics!! What happened to Puschel?
Thank you for your nice compliment. Puschel doesn’t live here anymore. She is living now with a very nice couple close by. I wrote her story down and I will post it as soon as I have translated it into English:-) Purrs Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Inge! Where have you been? With this many babies it’s no wonder you haven’t even had time to post in the ng! What lovely babies they are…and so cute and funny. Please keep in touch with all of us, we miss you.
Thanks for your warm words. I was there all the time but reading only. After I lost my job recently I have some extra time to participate in this lovely NG. When I worked, I left home at 7:00 and came back at 17:00. First thing I had to do when I came home was cuddling with all of the cats. They knew exactly when I came and where waiting for there cuddles:-) Volker had dinner prepared by then and we had dinner. After dinner we did some cleaning and started playing with the cats. At about 22:30 I went to bed, surrounded by at least 6 cats…. Now I have some extra time when our cats are sleeping:-) Purrs to you and a good scritch to Jazz:-) Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Love the pics!! What happened to Puschel? Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Thank you so much for the update, Inge. I will set aside some time to look at your newest pics, they are so wonderful to watch. I’ve enjoyed all of them so much, I’ve seen how they’ve grown almost as if I were there with you. I do envy you though, having so many pretty kitties, but I do know it is hard to take care of them all – especially the hooli-kittens. Best wishes and purrs to you, Volker and the kitties, — Polonca & Soncek
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me <snip
Hello Polonca & Soncek, I’ve enjoyed all of them so much, I’ve seen how they’ve grown almost as if I were there with you.
That was my intension to show how they grow in pictures. Up to today there are about 600 pics of them:-) Sometimes I ask myself if I could take some of them off my page. But then I can’t decide which one to take. So I leave them all online to please myself and other catcrazy people:-) Lots of purrs for you and give Soncek a good scritch from us:-) Inge and the catgang *purr* — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me – however for the others a short introduction: My name is Inge. When I began to read this NG some years ago we had 3 cats: Tientje, She and Puschel. Now, that changed (as you can read in the header). And then Owl and Dax came and then Chiara came. And Chiara was pregnant. She delivered 5 kitten to the world: 4 toms and 1 cat. We were firmly convinced of the fact that we would find new homes for all of the kitten…:) But 1. it comes differently and 2…. The kitten were born in the night of 31.10.2001 to 01.11.2001 and are now 7 months old. I think I reportet here when the babies were born and gave a link to the pictures of them. Who is interested however, can amuse himself with my homepage, which in the meantime nearly bursts from the tons of cat pictures *g*. There the entire birth of the kitten is documented in pictures from the day of their birth until today. First we had no more time for something different than cats, because the mom-cat had too little milk for her children and we had to hand feed them. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary – it will be over when the babies first time start eating by themselves. Then they could eat by themselves and we still had no time for something else than cuddling with them and playing because they were soooo cute and we couldn’t resist watching them develop. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary -it will pass, when they are somewhat larger. Now they were somewhat larger and we still had no time for something else because they got ‘ free course ‘ in the whole house now and we had to do all hands full to prevent them from suicidal plays at stairs and balconies. We secured stairs and balconies and thought, we do not have to watch them that closely anymore. However we did not have also ‘ more ‘ time now, because the Bandit, who was the smallest and most impudent one of the litter always came up with something new to keep us busy.E.G. he discovered that one could hang its claws into the woofer of Volkers loudspeakers – thus the Speakers became secured with screens. Bandit discovered also that he could drive roundabout on the record player and that there was a tone arm with such an amusing thing under there, where you could paw at… Thus the record player got a cover. We drew a deep breath and believed to have somewhat more time now which turned out as mistake. The Bandit figured then out that he can run up the wallpapers and again we had all hands full of work to pick him from 2,50 m height and grumble with him. Who of you has seen pics of Bandit knows that grumbling with him is not that easy – he has an indescribable charm and is irresistibly cute *sigh*. Fortunately the wallpaper is quite stable and bears the Bandit (still). Particularly endangered places became ’secured’ with sisal carpets. Yes and then there still are his sibblings: Lady Mortisha, Cottonball and Smoke. Correctly, one is missing : -) We gave our Rasputin – we called him that, because he was the largest in the litter – away. However he lives not far away with good friends and we visit him regularly. And he is not longer called Rasputin but Mr. Jingles (buahaha, a mouse-name!) But enough of it and back to the topic. As already said above, we didn’t have more time, because the Bandit still has his sibblings. Everyone of them has his own tick and all together are endowed ‘battle-cuddler’. But we didn’t hesitate and told ourselves: That is only temporary. When they are somewhat older, we give them a new home. The situation stayed like this for quite some time. And then we became acquainted with Sirikit and we fell in love with the little girl immediately. When she was old enough for a new home (14 weeks), Sirikit moved in: -) Our relatives and friends certified us completely nuts. We didn’t talk about giving the babies away for a long time and actually we can’t imagine giving one away. We can’t imagine either how life was without them – and a life with plenty of time. Who now took in account, comes on 44 paws. Correctly. One is missing. The Puschel. But that is another story…. And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang —
Yup, I remember you. You’re Owl’s meowmy. Still my pick for the cutest kitty contest anyday. Grace
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me – however for the others a short introduction: My name is Inge. When I began to read this NG some years ago we had 3 cats: Tientje, She and Puschel. Now, that changed (as you can read in the header). And then Owl and Dax came and then Chiara came. And Chiara was pregnant. She delivered 5 kitten to the world: 4 toms and 1 cat. We were firmly convinced of the fact that we would find new homes for all of the kitten…:) But 1. it comes differently and 2…. The kitten were born in the night of 31.10.2001 to 01.11.2001 and are now 7 months old. I think I reportet here when the babies were born and gave a link to the pictures of them. Who is interested however, can amuse himself with my homepage, which in the meantime nearly bursts from the tons of cat pictures *g*. There the entire birth of the kitten is documented in pictures from the day of their birth until today. First we had no more time for something different than cats, because the mom-cat had too little milk for her children and we had to hand feed them. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary – it will be over when the babies first time start eating by themselves. Then they could eat by themselves and we still had no time for something else than cuddling with them and playing because they were soooo cute and we couldn’t resist watching them develop. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary -it will pass, when they are somewhat larger. Now they were somewhat larger and we still had no time for something else because they got ‘ free course ‘ in the whole house now and we had to do all hands full to prevent them from suicidal plays at stairs and balconies. We secured stairs and balconies and thought, we do not have to watch them that closely anymore. However we did not have also ‘ more ‘ time now, because the Bandit, who was the smallest and most impudent one of the litter always came up with something new to keep us busy.E.G. he discovered that one could hang its claws into the woofer of Volkers loudspeakers – thus the Speakers became secured with screens. Bandit discovered also that he could drive roundabout on the record player and that there was a tone arm with such an amusing thing under there, where you could paw at… Thus the record player got a cover. We drew a deep breath and believed to have somewhat more time now which turned out as mistake. The Bandit figured then out that he can run up the wallpapers and again we had all hands full of work to pick him from 2,50 m height and grumble with him. Who of you has seen pics of Bandit knows that grumbling with him is not that easy – he has an indescribable charm and is irresistibly cute *sigh*. Fortunately the wallpaper is quite stable and bears the Bandit (still). Particularly endangered places became ’secured’ with sisal carpets. Yes and then there still are his sibblings: Lady Mortisha, Cottonball and Smoke. Correctly, one is missing : -) We gave our Rasputin – we called him that, because he was the largest in the litter – away. However he lives not far away with good friends and we visit him regularly. And he is not longer called Rasputin but Mr. Jingles (buahaha, a mouse-name!) But enough of it and back to the topic. As already said above, we didn’t have more time, because the Bandit still has his sibblings. Everyone of them has his own tick and all together are endowed ‘battle-cuddler’. But we didn’t hesitate and told ourselves: That is only temporary. When they are somewhat older, we give them a new home. The situation stayed like this for quite some time. And then we became acquainted with Sirikit and we fell in love with the little girl immediately. When she was old enough for a new home (14 weeks), Sirikit moved in: -) Our relatives and friends certified us completely nuts. We didn’t talk about giving the babies away for a long time and actually we can’t imagine giving one away. We can’t imagine either how life was without them – and a life with plenty of time. Who now took in account, comes on 44 paws. Correctly. One is missing. The Puschel. But that is another story…. And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Inge, I can understand why these cuties would be hard to give up! They are adorable and I truly enjoyed following their story from the birthing last year! Thanks so much for the link to the photos — you look a great "slave" in your Cattitude shirt! Regards, Christine and purrs from Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Ore (pictures: http://www.ejepo.com/burel)
Inge! Where have you been? With this many babies it’s no wonder you haven’t even had time to post in the ng! What lovely babies they are…and so cute and funny. Please keep in touch with all of us, we miss you. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we came, to the stars we return from now until the end of time
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone:-) Some perhaps still remember me – however for the others a short introduction: My name is Inge. When I began to read this NG some years ago we had 3 cats: Tientje, She and Puschel. Now, that changed (as you can read in the header). And then Owl and Dax came and then Chiara came. And Chiara was pregnant. She delivered 5 kitten to the world: 4 toms and 1 cat. We were firmly convinced of the fact that we would find new homes for all of the kitten…:) But 1. it comes differently and 2…. The kitten were born in the night of 31.10.2001 to 01.11.2001 and are now 7 months old. I think I reportet here when the babies were born and gave a link to the pictures of them. Who is interested however, can amuse himself with my homepage, which in the meantime nearly bursts from the tons of cat pictures *g*. There the entire birth of the kitten is documented in pictures from the day of their birth until today. First we had no more time for something different than cats, because the mom-cat had too little milk for her children and we had to hand feed them. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary – it will be over when the babies first time start eating by themselves. Then they could eat by themselves and we still had no time for something else than cuddling with them and playing because they were soooo cute and we couldn’t resist watching them develop. We said to ourselves: that is only temporary -it will pass, when they are somewhat larger. Now they were somewhat larger and we still had no time for something else because they got ‘ free course ‘ in the whole house now and we had to do all hands full to prevent them from suicidal plays at stairs and balconies. We secured stairs and balconies and thought, we do not have to watch them that closely anymore. However we did not have also ‘ more ‘ time now, because the Bandit, who was the smallest and most impudent one of the litter always came up with something new to keep us busy.E.G. he discovered that one could hang its claws into the woofer of Volkers loudspeakers – thus the Speakers became secured with screens. Bandit discovered also that he could drive roundabout on the record player and that there was a tone arm with such an amusing thing under there, where you could paw at… Thus the record player got a cover. We drew a deep breath and believed to have somewhat more time now which turned out as mistake. The Bandit figured then out that he can run up the wallpapers and again we had all hands full of work to pick him from 2,50 m height and grumble with him. Who of you has seen pics of Bandit knows that grumbling with him is not that easy – he has an indescribable charm and is irresistibly cute *sigh*. Fortunately the wallpaper is quite stable and bears the Bandit (still). Particularly endangered places became ’secured’ with sisal carpets. Yes and then there still are his sibblings: Lady Mortisha, Cottonball and Smoke. Correctly, one is missing : -) We gave our Rasputin – we called him that, because he was the largest in the litter – away. However he lives not far away with good friends and we visit him regularly. And he is not longer called Rasputin but Mr. Jingles (buahaha, a mouse-name!) But enough of it and back to the topic. As already said above, we didn’t have more time, because the Bandit still has his sibblings. Everyone of them has his own tick and all together are endowed ‘battle-cuddler’. But we didn’t hesitate and told ourselves: That is only temporary. When they are somewhat older, we give them a new home. The situation stayed like this for quite some time. And then we became acquainted with Sirikit and we fell in love with the little girl immediately. When she was old enough for a new home (14 weeks), Sirikit moved in: -) Our relatives and friends certified us completely nuts. We didn’t talk about giving the babies away for a long time and actually we can’t imagine giving one away. We can’t imagine either how life was without them – and a life with plenty of time. Who now took in account, comes on 44 paws. Correctly. One is missing. The Puschel. But that is another story…. And here you find the latest pics of the gang, including me wearing my cattidude-shirt:-) http://www.gwsystems.com/inge/Galerie/310502/e_index.htm Purrs to all of you Volker & Inge and the catgang — In CatManiacs World: http://www.gwsystems.com/inge trifft man die Katzis Tientje, She, das Gast-Puschel, Owl, Dax, Chiara, Lady Mortisha, Bandit, Smoke, Cottonball und Sirikit
Is this the extent of your needs? I would not want to recommend something that would be overkill. Give of some idea of what the business is about. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
To Philfree, If you want an affordable software that will handle multiple companies and have a flexible payroll, including after the fact payroll (hand checks), go to www.a-systems.net and click on "Starter" at the top toolbar. * A-Systems will deliver this package for $25. * The program was written for contractors needing its powerful job cost accounting feature, but many other non construction businesses have found it very useful. * Payroll Tax tables may be updated by the user, no need to purchase them from the software company. * The CD comes with 40 sessions of multimedia training. * Next year, when you want the latest and greatest version, you need only pay $25 for an update. You don’t need to repurchase the software every time an update is available. Arnold – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out www.a-systems.net . They have a complete accounting program for $25. Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
Thanks. This appears to be a single company software suite. I will check it out though. Have you tried it? Did you like it? Phil
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Why not check out RSA at www.rsasoftwareinc.com it might be what your looking for! On the website there is a fully functional demo that you can use and abuse and see if it works for you! TRy it Bruce Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
Thanks. I will try it out. Have you used it? What do you think of it? Phil
Hi Why not check out RSA at www.rsasoftwareinc.com it might be what your looking for! On the website there is a fully functional demo that you can use and abuse and see if it works for you! TRy it Bruce
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
Check out www.a-systems.net . They have a complete accounting program for $25. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
Hi, I am looking for multi client financial reporting software. Need to produce check register, cash receipts, after the fact payroll and payroll tax returns, g/l and financial statements. I used to use Class2 but they sold out to CSA. I am trying CSA, but it seems like overkill and too complicated to use and maintain. Also expensive. I dislike Quickbooks. Additionally, I would like to find payroll software that can provide for 4 different pay rates. Does not have to integrate with G/L. Thanks for your help. Phil
i,m looking for a free software program for a small business. piet
i,m looking for a free software program for a small business. piet
You might want to take a look at "Simple Business Accounting" for Windows 95 or Basic Bookkeeping for Windows. Both programs are very easy to use and don’t require that you be an accountant to figure out how to enter your information. http://www.owlsoftware.com OWL Software http://www.owlsoftware.com Small Business and Investment Software Specialists
i,m looking for a free software program for a small business. piet
If you’re operating a business, you would be well advised to spend some money on software. Cutting cost corners is wise, but doing so in the areas which can protect you against an audit and/or help to fortify your tax posture is, in my professional opinion, foolish; given the variety of low-cost and effective accounting packages on the market today. Try DacEasy. It’s full-featured, powerful and cheap (less than $150).
I would like to pose a quick question. I’m trying to find-out the name of a good account software package for win95/winnt platform. I know nothing about account.
QuickBooks, which is made for non-accountants, is the world’s largest selling small business accounting package. Many CPAs are learning that a powerful, fast, easy to learn & easy to correct programs is also good for them. You can download a 25 use trial at www.intuit.com. You should be able to use it without a manual, but QuickBooks 5 for Dummies is very good. You will not lose your data if you do not buy the program as fast as you should. Mike Block, C.P.A. Tax Fighter, 954-566-7540 QuickBooks Professional Advisor biz.comp.accounting co-moderator for spam free news NO TAX INCREASES without voter approval 275 E Oakland Park Blvd, Ft Lauderdale FL 33334 If this answer was valuable, send money
BAUMARK Accounting Software is really easy to use. http://www.baumark.com or 1-888-485-3900. Thanks – Gail Hasselberg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to pose a quick question. I’m trying to find-out the name of a good account software package for win95/winnt platform. I know nothing about account. Thank you
It is for a small municipal utility with around 45 regular employees. There would be about 10 or so users of the accounding software. Thank You
I would like to pose a quick question. I’m trying to find-out the name of a good account software package for win95/winnt platform. I know nothing about account. Thank you
You will need to be more specific, i.e., what does the company do, company size, type of company, and what you need the accounting software to do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to pose a quick question. I’m trying to find-out the name of a good account software package for win95/winnt platform. I know nothing about account. Thank you
John: <" P.S.: Kindly, S-T-O-P libeling me or I wont be so polite NEXT time. " You are not polite to begin with (calling people names, deliberately misquoting them), so what would be different? And libel? Oh puhleeeze — don’t threaten people with half-assed nonsense you couldn’t back up with an army, okay? You don’t intimidate me with your laughable crap. LOL <"Nor, is a FORMAL education the path to enlightenment. :-)" Nobody said a formal education was the path to enlightenment — I *did* say that lack of education wasn’t. Read before you spout off. <"Furthermore, … enlightenment generally has a spiritual element to it. It has very little, indeed, with academia. :-)" Enlightenment does not *have* to have a spiritual component to it, my dear Moron. Perhaps a brief look at a dictionary? *****NOUN : 1. a. The act or a means of enlightening. b. The state of being enlightened. 2. Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century that emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian reforms. Used with the.***** (The American Heritage
I think someone at Intuit thought if people could inport data into QHI but could not export it, they might think twice before jumping ship and start using another application, specially after putting the effort in to build up an inventory Intuit is a much admired company in Silicon Valley and investment circles generally, for their financial success, drawing recurring revenue year after year from users of their accounting and personal finance suites. No doubt, they are the most ferocious lock-in vendor in the software market today.
Intuit has not had ANY lock in for years. That is how long http://datablox.com/ has had a complete QB to Access export program. In fact, this program makes it far easier to export data than it is to import data, because there is no import type for payroll checks. Once all the data is in Access you can easily move it to many programs. However, small businesses cannot find a program as fast, easy to use and powerful as QB, at a comparable price (particularly when they add transfer costs). mike block – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is determinism. Its just the way our capitalist heritage works, as applied to software and intellectual property generally. If you want to do something about this, as a matter of principle, you have to take a big step DOWN in functionality going to something besides M$ or Intuit. Theoretically you should be able to pay a higher price (i.e. the FULL cost) of an equivalently great piece of software. Intuit hides the cost from you until you’re locked in, of course. You didn’t know you were signing up for annual payments did you! The low price is how they drive every other competitor out of the market. But there’s no honest, full-price personal finance software any more, because your fellow citizens are all dumb shits, and you were born in the wrong century. There aren’t enough people who see thru intuit’s loss-leader pricing to support a competing product. If you want to do something about this, like I said, there is little you can do other than write your congressman. Or, civil disobedience I suppose, e.g. napster, piracy etc. That seems to be the direction of things since the congress is so unhelpful, in these matters, and like I said, most of our fellow citizens are real dumb shits, so they would rather cheat than pickup a phone and call their congressman. TOdd www.gldialtone.com Epsilon said, I don’t think it’s a bug. I am also running W2K. It’s as follows: 1. Try printing to a text file from a Generic printer from within QHI and it gives you just the first page, and incomplete at that!!! 2. Try printing to any other printing device from within QHI and it works flowlessly. 3. Try printing to a text file from a Generic printer from within any other application except QHI and it works flawlessly. I think someone at Intuit thought if people could inport data into QHI but could not export it, they might think twice before jumping ship and start using another application, specially after putting the effort in to build up an inventory of their things. Also, trying to export from withing Quicken 2000 Deluxe as proposed earlier on this thread does not work, since it only exports an extremely limited, almost useless portion of the data. Very devious….. Just my opinion. Hmmm, I also get it truncated after the first page. (on W2K) I guess its a bug. Don Macpherson I tried doing that. Installed a "new" generic printer to print text to a file. The sons of bitches at Intuit have rigged the program so it only outputs the first page (six records) to the ascii file. If you use the same Generic text printer to file with any other windows application (I tried word and excel), you can both preview and output to file the entire contents of the document, however, Quicken Home Inventory cuts you off at the end of page one !!!! Quicken is the first and last product I will ever buy from them bastards. Any other ideas?? I appreciate your help. What about printing the Inventory Detail Report to a file? Don Macpherson If someone knows a way of exporting data already stored in a Quicken Home Inventory file (file extension .IDB), or else if you know of a third party utility that will do this, or even if you have information on the structure of the file itself, so I can write a program to extract said information, I would be very appreciative. I tried doing that. Installed a "new" generic printer to print text to a file. The sons of bitches at Intuit have rigged the program so it only outputs the first page (six records) to the ascii file. If you use the same Generic text printer to file with any other windows application (I tried word and excel), you can both preview and output to file the entire contents of the document, however, Quicken Home Inventory cuts you off at the end of page one !!!! Quicken is the first and last product I will ever buy from them bastards. Any other ideas?? I appreciate your help. What about printing the Inventory Detail Report to a file? Don Macpherson If someone knows a way of exporting data already stored in a Quicken Home Inventory file (file extension .IDB), or else if you know of a third party utility that will do this, or even if you have information on the structure of the file itself, so I can write a program to extract said information, I would be very appreciative.
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I think someone at Intuit thought if people could inport data into QHI but could not export it, they might think twice before jumping ship and start using another application, specially after putting the effort in to build up an inventory
Intuit is a much admired company in Silicon Valley and investment circles generally, for their financial success, drawing recurring revenue year after year from users of their accounting and personal finance suites. No doubt, they are the most ferocious lock-in vendor in the software market today. This is determinism. Its just the way our capitalist heritage works, as applied to software and intellectual property generally. If you want to do something about this, as a matter of principle, you have to take a big step DOWN in functionality going to something besides M$ or Intuit. Theoretically you should be able to pay a higher price (i.e. the FULL cost) of an equivalently great piece of software. Intuit hides the cost from you until you’re locked in, of course. You didn’t know you were signing up for annual payments did you! The low price is how they drive every other competitor out of the market. But there’s no honest, full-price personal finance software any more, because your fellow citizens are all dumb shits, and you were born in the wrong century. There aren’t enough people who see thru intuit’s loss-leader pricing to support a competing product. If you want to do something about this, like I said, there is little you can do other than write your congressman. Or, civil disobedience I suppose, e.g. napster, piracy etc. That seems to be the direction of things since the congress is so unhelpful, in these matters, and like I said, most of our fellow citizens are real dumb shits, so they would rather cheat than pickup a phone and call their congressman. TOdd www.gldialtone.com Epsilon said, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t think it’s a bug. I am also running W2K. It’s as follows: 1. Try printing to a text file from a Generic printer from within QHI and it gives you just the first page, and incomplete at that!!! 2. Try printing to any other printing device from within QHI and it works flowlessly. 3. Try printing to a text file from a Generic printer from within any other application except QHI and it works flawlessly. I think someone at Intuit thought if people could inport data into QHI but could not export it, they might think twice before jumping ship and start using another application, specially after putting the effort in to build up an inventory of their things. Also, trying to export from withing Quicken 2000 Deluxe as proposed earlier on this thread does not work, since it only exports an extremely limited, almost useless portion of the data. Very devious….. Just my opinion. Hmmm, I also get it truncated after the first page. (on W2K) I guess its a bug. Don Macpherson I tried doing that. Installed a "new" generic printer to print text to a file. The sons of bitches at Intuit have rigged the program so it only outputs the first page (six records) to the ascii file. If you use the same Generic text printer to file with any other windows application (I tried word and excel), you can both preview and output to file the entire contents of the document, however, Quicken Home Inventory cuts you off at the end of page one !!!! Quicken is the first and last product I will ever buy from them bastards. Any other ideas?? I appreciate your help. What about printing the Inventory Detail Report to a file? Don Macpherson If someone knows a way of exporting data already stored in a Quicken Home Inventory file (file extension .IDB), or else if you know of a third party utility that will do this, or even if you have information on the structure of the file itself, so I can write a program to extract said information, I would be very appreciative. I tried doing that. Installed a "new" generic printer to print text to a file. The sons of bitches at Intuit have rigged the program so it only outputs the first page (six records) to the ascii file. If you use the same Generic text printer to file with any other windows application (I tried word and excel), you can both preview and output to file the entire contents of the document, however, Quicken Home Inventory cuts you off at the end of page one !!!! Quicken is the first and last product I will ever buy from them bastards. Any other ideas?? I appreciate your help. What about printing the Inventory Detail Report to a file? Don Macpherson If someone knows a way of exporting data already stored in a Quicken Home Inventory file (file extension .IDB), or else if you know of a third party utility that will do this, or even if you have information on the structure of the file itself, so I can write a program to extract said information, I would be very appreciative.
It sounds to me as though this friend very definitely needs to see a physician. –Connie — "Starving the flesh wastes the spirit." –Kandis Elliot
hi meggan… i’ll keep in the spoiler. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Here is the problem: She said that when she is in a purging phase, she doesn’t keep anything at all down. During this time, her typical bowel movements stop and instead she passes bloody mucus. She wonders if this is "normal" for her situation or if it’s a sign of another problem, beyond the bulimia.
well, this never happened to me or anything, but i might have an idea. with purging, she could have ruptured/torn/damaged something in her stomach which is accounting for the blood. the extra mucus might be cause, from purging, a person creates a LOT of thick saliva, which she could be swallowing. mixed together, that might be what’s passing through her system. and you said she doesn’t want to see a doctor? it might be a good idea if she does… then again, this is like the pot calling the kettle black. ;) —julia, who won’t go see a doctor about anything ED-related either (even though i haven’t shown serious symptoms of anything)
Hi, I will spoiler this for talk of bulimia/questions about physical symptoms. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Okay, here goes. I am a mostly recovered anorexic/bulimic.I have a friend who is currently actively bulimic. She told me about some physical symptoms she’s been having lately and wondered if I knew anything about it. She does not want to see a doctor. Here is the problem: She said that when she is in a purging phase, she doesn’t keep anything at all down. During this time, her typical bowel movements stop and instead she passes bloody mucus. She wonders if this is "normal" for her situation or if it’s a sign of another problem, beyond the bulimia. I told her I had seen people answer on here who seemed to know a lot about these things. While I was bulimic, I mainly used a lot of laxatives but did little to no vomiting, so can’t give her much help in this area. If anyone can give us some advice, I will be glad to forward it to her. Thanks much! Meggan * — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.
I am setting up books for an architectural firm (cash basis) on Peachtree 6.0 I would like to maintain an accounts receivable but it doesn’t seem possible. If I record an invoice debiting the accounts receivable account the offsetting credit to income would not work. Any ideas? I would greatly appreciate any help Ralph
TO: COSMO15 We are using Peachtree 6.0 for two "in house" accounts, my accounting practice and my wife’s professional practice, both on the cash method of accounting (no recorded receivables). We keep our accounts receivable in a separate data base. If you want to use Peachtree 6.0 to record your receivables you will need to set it up on the accrual method in the first place. Peachtree’s instructions are very clear on this issue. Also, according to their instructions, once you have set it up you cannot change it. What you can do is start over from scratch, and select accrual during setup. Jim *** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ***
Get back to basics. Do you want cash or accrual. The whole concept of cash vesus accrual accounting is that you record your income when you get the cash, If you want to accrue your income with invoices, then you should be on an accrual basis accounting system. If you are ivnoicing at all and give your cusotmerd any more than a few days to pay an invoice, then you should probably be on an accrual basis system. The whole cash basis system is based on recording your uncome at your point of sale. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am setting up books for an architectural firm (cash basis) on Peachtree 6.0 I would like to maintain an accounts receivable but it doesn’t seem possible. If I record an invoice debiting the accounts receivable account the offsetting credit to income would not work. Any ideas? I would greatly appreciate any help Ralph
Sherry, Most professional practices use cash accounting (at least for tax purposes) regardless of the status of their accounts receivable. The object is to pay taxes later rather than sooner. Based on his post (I am setting up books for an architectural firm (cash basis) on Peachtree 6.0), COSMO15 is trying to keep his accounts receivable in Peachtree 6.0 after he has told Peachtree he is on the cash method of accounting. In order to resolve his problem, COSMO15 needs to either start over with Peachtree or set up a separate accounts receivable data base. Incidentally, I set up Peachtree for accrual accounting even when I intend to use cash accounting – just in case I want to change later. Jim Hudspeth, CPA