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Hello, I am from Poland, and have over six years professional experience in audit and accounting area in one of the Big 4 company in Poland. I completed all exams to be polish cerified auditor. I have good knowledge of UK GAAP, US GAAP  and IRFS (of course local polish accounting standards as well). I would like to cooperate with accounting and consulting companies from UK and USA. regards,

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Hello, I am from Poland, and have over six years professional experience in audit and accounting area in one of the Big 4 company in Poland. I completed all exams to be polish cerified auditor. I have good knowledge of UK GAAP, US GAAP  and IRFS (of course local polish accounting standards as well). I would like to cooperate with accounting and consulting companies from UK and USA. regards,

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Winnebago has Flexsteel furniture.  Rexhall uses crap.

When did they start that? Winnebago was building their own furniture last fall when we took the factory tour. Lon

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My opinion… Winnebago has been in the business longer and seems to have a better customer relation than Rexhall….

Rexhall’s management hasn’t been impressive lately to say the least. Shortly after 9-11, they laid off over half of their employees. They later hired some of them back. Looking at their quarterly and yearly reports, it looks like they laid them off again. The also had to fire their accounting firm and restate earnings. If you read the Yahoo REXL message board, disgruntaled employees are saying that all upper management have been fired except for people whose last name is Rex. According to hoovers.com, Mr Rex owns 55% of the shares in his company. The way they are losing money, he has to be thinking, do I sell out or keep making motorhomes until I go broke. Contrast that to Winnebago (WGO) saying they put employees on overtime after 9-11 to meet demand. Just recently they had to go to reduced work schedules, but they are still making fifty cents a share.

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They offer Flexsteel driver and passenger seats on some coaches.

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Birch) writes: Winnebago has been building their own furniture at least since ‘99. The only thing they farmed out at that time, were the driver and passenger seat which were made by Stitchcraft. Stitchcraft stuff has crappiest stuff ever made! I even got special-order upgraded seats for my rig, and they are terrible! The driver’s seat sagged so badly to the right, that I’ve had to shim it up about a half inch on that side. I intend to replace them as soon as I can find some decent seats.  

I’m really surprised to hear that. Our standard issue front captain’s chairs still look and act like new. At first, I was wishing we had leather, but as I see these wear, I have decided they will outlast me. Lon

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My opinion… Winnebago has been in the business longer and seems to have a better customer relation than Rexhall. Winnebago has Flexsteel furniture.  Rexhall uses crap. Winnebago uses quiet smooth Onan generators.  Rexhall uses loud vibrating Generac. Winnebago has lots of dealers and service centers.  Rexhall has few of both. Winnebago’s construction is fairly consistent.  Rexhall, well you never know what you will get or how it is mounted. Other than that… Rexhall has a completely welded steel frame.  Winnebago’s is aluminum screwed together.  In my experience steel doesn’t flex as much therefore less squeaks and creaks. Rexhall has passthrough storage, and lots of it.  Winnebago seems to have used most of there storage compartments for the coach systems and there storage hogging basement air conditioner. Rexhall has there TV down in the living area where it is easily viewed from the couch.  Winnebago’s is over the drivers compartment where you have to strain your neck to watch it while sitting at a right angle to it on the couch. Rexhall uses W22 workhorse chassis with 242" wheelbase.  Winnebago used W20 with 208. Rexhall has close to 3000 CCC.  Winnebago has a little over 1500 CCC. Rexhall in in Lancaster, CA.  Winnebago is in Forest River , IW.  A plus for Southern Californians.

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Personally I prefered the soda fountain at our neighborhood drug store Of course that’s primarily because I worked behind the counter and we were allowed to drink the "surplus" malt leftover after filling the customer’s glass – sure was glad the metal cups were so big. CruzMastr

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

IMO both are about the same.But over all I would have to go with the Winnie,it sounds better than saying Wrecks-all–I mean Rexall. Simmons Freedom of Speech Academy    http://www.roadwarriorisanazi.com

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Winnebago is better than Rexhall is better than Winnebago is better than… There is no answer to this question. CruzMastr Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

Sure there is a answer Rexall always had better soda fountains. Wade

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Winnebago is better than Rexhall is better than Winnebago is better than… There is no answer to this question. CruzMastr

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

Which factory are  you closer to, in case you have problems? Lon

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

Ford or Chevy? Steak or Rib? Coffee or Tea? Answers will vary depending on each individual’s experience and perception. What would you define "better" to mean? Mark

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

I’ve never owned a Rexall.  I did shop them in ‘95 though and found them inferior in workmanship to the Winnebago.  I had plenty of floor trouble with my ‘95 Adventurer but the Rexalls all had things falling apart while they were still on the lot. LZ

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Winnebago or Rexall? Dan

I used to like Rexall until they took out the soda fountain and the red stools. Steve

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Hey, Dip, if you still have a red stool, go see your proctologist. lol

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winnebago or Rexall? Dan I used to like Rexall until they took out the soda fountain and the red stools. Steve

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Oman was absolutely fantastic, I’d love to go back if I could get a job as a medical transcriptionist there.  I was working for the oil company in the computer department at the time (technical project leader), stayed for nine years.  Loved the people, the physical beauty of the country, the water sports, the company facilities (boat club etc.), even the work was fun, most of the time.  The Omanis I worked with were really nice. Problem was I got burned out on the computer biz (it is an occupational hazard) and decided to leave and come up with something else to do for a living when my husband decided to go back to university in Britain.  He is now an astronomer, an observer at an observatory here in New Mexico. Somehow it took me eight years to come up with something, I’d basically rather be retired than anything, just lazy I guess. If there is anything specific you’d like to know about Oman, email me separately and we’ll carry on the conversation. — Sharon B. To email, replace ‘notreal’ with ’sabarr’ in heading email address

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Yep, Iran (1979), Saudi (1980-81), Oman (1985-1993).  I’m vaguely thinking about going back to Saudi–see separate post by me.  Old expats never die, they just keep looking for contracts!  (I’m currently in the States.)

The reason I asked was because most people seem to find the salaries there pretty solid, even for local hires (so long as you’re from a western country working in a professional field). Oman, now there’s somewhere I’d like to try living for a while. How was it? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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Take a look at http://www.expat.or.id/ for some general information. Plus some comments below. Roger, Jakarta I’m currently considering marrying an Indonesian woman and living with her in Indonesia. I’m an internet programmer by past profession (although I could do other computer-related activities) and was wondering 1. about the possibility of finding worthwhile employment in Indonesia (is there any work for computer professionals, and at what salary?); at the moment, I don’t speak a word of Indonesian, although I would learn.

Tough. Local rates are low as other people said. 2. the cost of moving to Indonesia, and my status after marrying my fiancee. Would I have Indonesian citizenship?

No. Very hard to get, and rarely wanted. You will have enough trouble getting a residence permit without a job, though there is some kind of long term social visit visa (maybe 6 months?) which may be applicable if you are married to an Indonesian – your local Indonesia Embassy can advise. You have to get a job to get a working permit (KITAS/KIMS – expensive and bureaucratic process). Tourist and business visas allow 60 day visits, not extendable. For a business visa you need an invitation from a local company. 3. whether telecommuting is a practical proposition – ideally working in Indonesia and getting paid Western wages

Good luck. On the plus side you can get good connections (ADSL etc) in Jakarta, but generally not elsewhere. And computers are cheap enough.  But can you get such a job? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I currently have about $10k in capital and would very much like to live in Indonesia – unfortunately the downturn in tourism means that any business in this area would surely fail….

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Yep, Iran (1979), Saudi (1980-81), Oman (1985-1993).  I’m vaguely thinking about going back to Saudi–see separate post by me.  Old expats never die, they just keep looking for contracts!  (I’m currently in the States.) — Sharon B. To email, replace ‘notreal’ with ’sabarr’ in heading email address

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I lived and worked in Indonesia for 5 years, returning in May this year due to a lack of work opportunities there. You may find the following useful. 1. There is little work for expatriate (Western) IT professionals as there are plenty of competent Indonesians that would be delighted to work for one tenth of what you would expect for a day’s work. Indonesian IT pro’s will be paid between Rp.3,000,000 (US$120) and Rp.10,000,000 (US$400) per MONTH not per day, as in the West!! Most IT (and any other work) will require you to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian Language). Outside Jakarta there is little English spoken. You should also be aware that in addition to the National Language, there are around 300 local languages and dialects. I would be surprised if your fianc

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Hi, I was just wondering which one should be done first. The income statement or the balance sheet? Thanks, Yuting — At first there was nothing. Then God said ‘Let there be light!’ Then there was still nothing. But you could see it.

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Hi, I was just wondering which one should be done first. The income statement or the balance sheet?

If you use a "textbook" double entry accounting system, the first one you do is the one you pull off the adjusted trial balance first. In other words, it really doesn’t make any difference which one you do first. If you do the balance sheet first, you will know what net income will turn out to be because you will know what retained earnings has to be on the balance sheet because you know assets, liabilities, and contributed capital. If you do the income statement first, that will tell you what retained earnings has to be because you know net income. If the two approaches give you different numbers for retained earnings, then you’ve made a mistake somewhere. That is the beauty (and the curse) of double entry accounting. Regards, Bill #*#*# Associate Professor of Accounting School of Business & Economics Longwood College http://web.lwc.edu/staff/wpbrown/wpbrown.htm Opinions expressed by me are mine alone and not that of my employer.

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Thanks — At first there was nothing. Then God said ‘Let there be light!’ Then there was still nothing. But you could see it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was just wondering which one should be done first. The income statement or the balance sheet? If you use a "textbook" double entry accounting system, the first one you do is the one you pull off the adjusted trial balance first. In other words, it really doesn’t make any difference which one you do first. If you do the balance sheet first, you will know what net income will turn out to be because you will know what retained earnings has to be on the balance sheet because you know assets, liabilities, and contributed capital. If you do the income statement first, that will tell you what retained earnings has to be because you know net income. If the two approaches give you different numbers for retained earnings, then you’ve made a mistake somewhere. That is the beauty (and the curse) of double entry accounting. Regards, Bill #*#*# Associate Professor of Accounting School of Business & Economics Longwood College http://web.lwc.edu/staff/wpbrown/wpbrown.htm Opinions expressed by me are mine alone and not that of my employer.

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That’s a good one Moose.  Keep up the good work ! Peter

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Moose, Another way to view the relationships among the statements is to consider the Balance sheet as a static view of the firm’s financial position and the Income Statement, Statement of Retained Earnings and Statement of Cash Flows to be descriptions of the dynamic changes in financial position during the period in question.  I usually start with the Beginning Balance Sheet (same as the ending balance sheet for the previous period) then the dynamics and finally the Balance sheet describing the financial position at the end.  In the  worksheet approach the unadjusted trail balance represents the beginning point. Al S.

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Computer flight sims lack one major thing.  Feel.  Other than that, they can be a useful tool in practicing other aspects of flight.  I routinely practice IFR procedures, recognizing that sitting at home in my comfy chair in front of the computer is not as stressful as bouncing through shitty weather knowing the ground is down there somewhere, and knowing that an error could start a very nasty chain of events. Colin

It seems that we can agree on at least one little bitty thing. J Kelley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Computer flight sims lack one major thing.  Feel.  Other than that, they can be a useful tool in practicing other aspects of flight.  I routinely practice IFR procedures, recognizing that sitting at home in my comfy chair in front of the computer is not as stressful as bouncing through shitty weather knowing the ground is down there somewhere, and knowing that an error could start a very nasty chain of events. Colin It seems that we can agree on at least one little bitty thing. J Kelley

That’s because generally I’m an agreeable person. cr

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    Well, my instructor commented that it definitely showed that I had been using the simulator, and I have been flying the plane since the beginning, doing the whole thing from preflight to shutdown. I have not been critiqued for any bad habits, and I definitely knew how to handle the aircraft and what to expect with differing control inputs.  I think there is nothing wrong at all with simulators, good simulators…..any $30 program, whether it be accounting or sims, is not going to be very useful…..all I can say is, the sim I use is very good, and was definitely not cheap.  I also think you are coming at the whole sim wuestion from the perspective of someone who has had the opportunity of flying from a very early age and some of us haven’t had this opportunity.  I have always kept it in my mind that the sim is not the real thing, and was expecting it to be a lot different in the plane, but it really wasn’t. I also found that landings in real life were a whole lot easier s you have a full field of view to assist lining up, not the "tunnel vision" of the sim.  As for sims making "airplane drivers" instead of real pilots, I seriously doubt it. The sim had already taught me to keep my head out of the cockpit, to "fly the picture" and other important things.  Anyway, you asked for opinons,  Andrew. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question that immediately comes to mind is this:  Are you really learining about flying, or are you merely learning about operating the kind of "flight simulator" that is in reality, merely a computer game? I critise the use of simulators for pre-flight training.  I appreciate well designed and set up simulators when properly used as instrument flight training aids. My experience with flight simulators dates from the early fifties when I was first introduced to the "Link Trainer" in the US Civil Air Patrol, from the mid fifties when I learned with them as a USAF Aviation Cadet, and in the mid to late fifties when, as a USAF single engine jet flight instructor, I used Curtiss instrument flight simulators to teach insturument flight procedures and radio navigation to cadets and student officers in basic flight training. My experience with PC flight simulators consists of FS 98 & 2000, FS Combat, Flight Unlimited II & III, Fly, Pro Pilot 99 and Jeppesson Flite Pro which is the only one I found to be worthwhile for instrument flight training, but otherwise a crushing bore. As a game, I find the best game type flight simjulators to be a lot of fun, but I’m sure to a moral certainty that their use by prospective flight trainees and fledgling flyers can only lead to the formation of the kind of bad habits that could destroy their chances of success in real life aviation. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t learn to operate the kinds of aircraft crowding the skies today, but they are definately less likely to make pilots.  They may well become "airplane drivers" instead. J Kelley Before you buy.

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I’m quite good at spotting traffic, but lousy at keeping the plane straight and level by reference to outside reference.  On my checkride the DE commented to me that steep turns are a lot easier by external rather than instrument reference.  But I don’t think this has anything to do with my use of the FS; I think I just naturally don’t trust my senses – never had the slightest trouble with unusual attitudes even after the usual vertigo inducing head movements. I don’t think using FS had any negative effects, but I don’t know that for sure. I didn’t start using FS until during my training when my CFI recommended getting it.  He told me to go through the entire checklist, just like in the real sim at the FBO and on the real aircraft, and treat it seriously by only accepting top notch performance from myself and never making excuses.  I found the real sim and FS both harder to accurately fly than a real plane. Peter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did your flight simulating experience impact on your pre-solo flight training? J Kelley I felt it was helpful with nav and planning issues (my CFI suggested I get it) but was utterly useless in terms of learning to fly the plane. Peter Apart from being useless, did it in any way interfere with or retard your progress?  Did you have difficulty ‘keeping your head out of the cockpit?’  Did your instructor comment on your prior flight simulation experience in that regard? J Kelley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m quite good at spotting traffic, but lousy at keeping the plane straight and level by reference to outside reference.  On my checkride the DE commented to me that steep turns are a lot easier by external rather than instrument reference.  But I don’t think this has anything to do with my use of the FS; I think I just naturally don’t trust my senses – never had the slightest trouble with unusual attitudes even after the usual vertigo inducing head movements. I don’t think using FS had any negative effects, but I don’t know that for sure. I didn’t start using FS until during my training when my CFI recommended getting it.  He told me to go through the entire checklist, just like in the real sim at the FBO and on the real aircraft, and treat it seriously by only accepting top notch performance from myself and never making excuses.  I found the real sim and FS both harder to accurately fly than a real plane. Peter

I think that you are fortunate to have had flight experience before you started using a flight simulator.  I have absolutely no use for them in real life training outside of use as instrument training devices.  They are well suited for that if designed and set up properly. As to the comment by the examiner, he has a talent for understatement.  Attitude instruments have no place in contact flying.  It’s important to keep track of airspeed, altitude and power indications but you should otherwise keep your head out of the cockpit. J Kelley

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The best thing you can do for your flight training is to follow your flight instructors lead and use flight simulators only upon his recommendation and only under his close supervision, not merely his silent acquiescence.  If he fails to lead in this regard, I would suggest shopping for another instructor. You are likely to benefit from simulated instrument flight practice, but only after you have become proficient in contact flight and are taking formal instrument instruction toward a rating.

Alas, time and scheduling make "shopping for an instructor" a luxury unavailable to me at this time.  Right now, I do a bit here and there, mostly to keep my head into it, while concentrating on improving my flying skills by doing cross countries whenever I can.  After each flight I go over everything I did and try to tear it apart, then work out how I will improve the next time in areas where I was less than perfect.  It is completely understandable why there is a XC time requirement before obtaining the instrument rating. When the opportunity presents itself (and perhaps when I find the "right" instructor) I will dive in completely and give it the full attention and intense schedule required to do it right. Peter

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   Hi there,  I found the simulator I have very useful in helping me to learn how to fly. It taught me a lot of useful things, like how to maintain the aircraft’s energy in turns, how the controls react at different speeds and most importantly, how all those gauges and instruments are supposed to look as things happen. It also taught me a lot about landings too..  It is very important I feel to have a sim that has a very good flight model, and not to worry too much about graphics…someone said on one of these newsgroups that dogfighting is useless…I disagree! I learned a hell of a lot doing that.  I have Pro Pilot, and I think it is pretty useless for anything, but I am not in the Us..so it is not too relevant.  I often feel the people who criticise sims really haven’t used a good one..I have just come across a great sim…Virtual Wings. I only have the demo, but I have it on order……  Regards, Andrew.

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   Hi there,  I found the simulator I have very useful in helping me to learn how

to fly. It taught me a lot of useful things, like how to maintain the aircraft’s energy in turns, how the controls

react at different speeds and most importantly, how all those gauges and instruments are supposed to look as things happen.

It also taught me a lot about landings too..  It is very important I feel to have a sim that has a very good

flight model, and not to worry too much about graphics…someone said on one of these newsgroups that dogfighting

is useless…I disagree! I learned a hell of a lot doing that.  I have Pro Pilot, and I think it is pretty useless for anything, but

I am not in the Us..so it is not too relevant.  I often feel the people who criticise sims really haven’t used a

good one..I have just come across a great sim…Virtual Wings. I only have the demo, but I have it on order……  Regards, Andrew.

The question that immediately comes to mind is this:  Are you really learining about flying, or are you merely learning about operating the kind of "flight simulator" that is in reality, merely a computer game? I critise the use of simulators for pre-flight training.  I appreciate well designed and set up simulators when properly used as instrument flight training aids. My experience with flight simulators dates from the early fifties when I was first introduced to the "Link Trainer" in the US Civil Air Patrol, from the mid fifties when I learned with them as a USAF Aviation Cadet, and in the mid to late fifties when, as a USAF single engine jet flight instructor, I used Curtiss instrument flight simulators to teach insturument flight procedures and radio navigation to cadets and student officers in basic flight training. My experience with PC flight simulators consists of FS 98 & 2000, FS Combat, Flight Unlimited II & III, Fly, Pro Pilot 99 and Jeppesson Flite Pro which is the only one I found to be worthwhile for instrument flight training, but otherwise a crushing bore. As a game, I find the best game type flight simjulators to be a lot of fun, but I’m sure to a moral certainty that their use by prospective flight trainees and fledgling flyers can only lead to the formation of the kind of bad habits that could destroy their chances of success in real life aviation. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t learn to operate the kinds of aircraft crowding the skies today, but they are definately less likely to make pilots.  They may well become "airplane drivers" instead. J Kelley Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My instructor had me operate everything in the plane from the first moment we climbed in.  I taxied, and did the runup, and then called my intentions to take off (uncontrolled field….FCA).  As I started my take-off roll, my instructor said, "Okay, this will look just like the simulator."  Key word in that sentence is "LOOK".  It is the feel that really gets you the first time you fly, and there is no simulator (at least the ones for a PC) that can simulate that.  The knowledge of the instruments, how they looked while in flight, and how to use them to cross check the other instruments is what the main benefit of the sim was for me.  I am not going to go as far as to say that this same knowledge could not be learned from well written text with good illustration, and I think that all simulator work should be done with actual flight training books to cross reference. — At first, I was surprised to hear how many flight instructors seemed to accept flight simulation and either worked with or around it.  I now think that it may have become a non-issue because of economic reasons. Flying schools are in business to make money and are reluctant to take any position that might steer customers away.  If you are a flight simmer, I would expect any school to welcome you and perhaps even praise your self taught pre-flight preparation through simulating. Personally, I am appalled. J Kelley

Computer flight sims lack one major thing.  Feel.  Other than that, they can be a useful tool in practicing other aspects of flight.  I routinely practice IFR procedures, recognizing that sitting at home in my comfy chair in front of the computer is not as stressful as bouncing through shitty weather knowing the ground is down there somewhere, and knowing that an error could start a very nasty chain of events. Colin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that you are fortunate to have had flight experience before you started using a flight simulator.  I have absolutely no use for them in real life training outside of use as instrument training devices.  They are well suited for that if designed and set up properly. One thing that made a difference may be that I have made it clear from the beginning that I fully intend on getting the instrument rating (I’m working on it now).  However, for serious use, I think FS is just a toy and virtually useless, especially compared to time in an actual aircraft.  It seems not worth the time to fool around with FS, rather spend the time on other things. Others must surely be better, but I’m going to concentrate on the more traditional methods at this point.

The best thing you can do for your flight training is to follow your flight instructors lead and use flight simulators only upon his recommendation and only under his close supervision, not merely his silent acquiescence.  If he fails to lead in this regard, I would suggest shopping for another instructor. You are likely to benefit from simulated instrument flight practice, but only after you have become proficient in contact flight and are taking formal instrument instruction toward a rating. J Kelley Before you buy.

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I think that you are fortunate to have had flight experience before you started using a flight simulator.  I have absolutely no use for them in real life training outside of use as instrument training devices.  They are well suited for that if designed and set up properly.

One thing that made a difference may be that I have made it clear from the beginning that I fully intend on getting the instrument rating (I’m working on it now).  However, for serious use, I think FS is just a toy and virtually useless, especially compared to time in an actual aircraft.  It seems not worth the time to fool around with FS, rather spend the time on other things. Others must surely be better, but I’m going to concentrate on the more traditional methods at this point.

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When the opportunity presents itself (and perhaps when I find the "right" instructor) I will dive in completely and give it the full attention and intense schedule required to do it right. Peter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My instructor had me operate everything in the plane from the first moment we climbed in.  I taxied, and did the runup, and then called my intentions to take off (uncontrolled field….FCA).  As I started my take-off roll, my instructor said, "Okay, this will look just like the simulator."  Key word in that sentence is "LOOK".  It is the feel that really gets you the first time you fly, and there is no simulator (at least the ones for a PC) that can simulate that.  The knowledge of the instruments, how they looked while in flight, and how to use them to cross check the other instruments is what the main benefit of the sim was for me.  I am not going to go as far as to say that this same knowledge could not be learned from well written text with good illustration, and I think that all simulator work should be done with actual flight training books to cross reference. —

At first, I was surprised to hear how many flight instructors seemed to accept flight simulation and either worked with or around it.  I now think that it may have become a non-issue because of economic reasons. Flying schools are in business to make money and are reluctant to take any position that might steer customers away.  If you are a flight simmer, I would expect any school to welcome you and perhaps even praise your self taught pre-flight preparation through simulating. Personally, I am appalled. J Kelley Before you buy.

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My instructor had me operate everything in the plane from the first moment we climbed in.  I taxied, and did the runup, and then called my intentions to take off (uncontrolled field….FCA).  As I started my take-off roll, my instructor said, "Okay, this will look just like the simulator."  Key word in that sentence is "LOOK".  It is the feel that really gets you the first time you fly, and there is no simulator (at least the ones for a PC) that can simulate that.  The knowledge of the instruments, how they looked while in flight, and how to use them to cross check the other instruments is what the main benefit of the sim was for me.  I am not going to go as far as to say that this same knowledge could not be learned from well written text with good illustration, and I think that all simulator work should be done with actual flight training books to cross reference. — Fred Choate Northwest Montana (FCA) http://www.geocities.com/choate22/TheChoatesWebPage.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The current use of P.C. flight simulators by prospective flight students for the purpose of pre-flight training is of great interest to me.  I’m a ex USAF flight instructor and I would like to know about your experiences relating to simulators and contact flight training.  If you used simulators for preflight training, how did it affect your training and what positions did your flight instructors take with respect to flight simulator use?  If you are a flight instructor, what do you think about the use of flight simulators by fledglings?  I’m not talking about the use of simulators for instrument training, that’s an entirely different matter. Thanks, J Kelley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What about airport signs?  Most sims that I’ve used don’t have any.  And when someone is flight training and learns how to get to the runways, he forgets about the signs until it’s time for the written or when he does a cross country to a particularly tricky airport.     It’s one thing to identify the sign on paper, but another to figure out what it means while taxiing. For example: Controller:  Taxi to ADF on taxiway H Me: Roger, taxi to ADF on H Controller:  No, it’s the next taxiway parallel to the one you’re on Me:  Uhhh, request progressive taxi to ADF Controller: Just….  The sign facing me wasn’t for the taxiway I was at, but for the next taxiway. It’s too easy to slide by this part of flight training, and in a sim you could practice on complex airports without pissing off the airliners of the controllers.

I know of no simulators that would help in that way.  On the other hand, I don’t have experience with all simulators.  Don’t be bashful about asking such questions of your flight instructor.  Answering student’s questions is part of what he’s paid to do. My concern is with the question of how and to what extent the use of simulators prior to primary flight training, has an effect on the students progress through that training. J Kelley

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What about airport signs?  Most sims that I’ve used don’t have any.  And when someone is flight training and learns how to get to the runways, he forgets about the signs until it’s time for the written or when he does a cross country to a particularly tricky airport.     It’s one thing to identify the sign on paper, but another to figure out what it means while taxiing. For example: Controller:  Taxi to ADF on taxiway H Me: Roger, taxi to ADF on H Controller:  No, it’s the next taxiway parallel to the one you’re on Me:  Uhhh, request progressive taxi to ADF Controller: Just….  The sign facing me wasn’t for the taxiway I was at, but for the next taxiway. It’s too easy to slide by this part of flight training, and in a sim you could practice on complex airports without pissing off the airliners of the controllers.

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How did your flight simulating experience impact on your pre-solo flight training? J Kelley

I felt it was helpful with nav and planning issues (my CFI suggested I get it) but was utterly useless in terms of learning to fly the plane. Peter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did your flight simulating experience impact on your pre-solo flight training? J Kelley I felt it was helpful with nav and planning issues (my CFI suggested I get it) but was utterly useless in terms of learning to fly the plane. Peter

Apart from being useless, did it in any way interfere with or retard your progress?  Did you have difficulty ‘keeping your head out of the cockpit?’  Did your instructor comment on your prior flight simulation experience in that regard? J Kelley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I first started doing XCs as a student I would first do the flight in FS98, paying careful attention to the navaids and their behavior.  After a while I was able to look at the line I drew on the sectionals and get "awareness" of what was going to happen in my head, and also what to expect if I was off-course in any way.  FS helped a lot initially in being able to do this.  If there are enough VORs it’s fun to use your mind as a sort of RNAV to put you where you want (memorize sine/cosine tables, get good with multiplying in your head and practice with FS, it’s a cool trick).

How did your flight simulating experience impact on your pre-solo flight training? J Kelley

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When I first started doing XCs as a student I would first do the flight in FS98, paying careful attention to the navaids and their behavior.  After a while I was able to look at the line I drew on the sectionals and get "awareness" of what was going to happen in my head, and also what to expect if I was off-course in any way.  FS helped a lot initially in being able to do this.  If there are enough VORs it’s fun to use your mind as a sort of RNAV to put you where you want (memorize sine/cosine tables, get good with multiplying in your head and practice with FS, it’s a cool trick).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes. one who read that subject line and thought of that guy a while back who was looking for a female pilot to pre-flight naked for his web page?

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Well, but that subject line was "Pre-flight flight sTimulating"… Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am I the only one who read that subject line and thought of that guy a while back who was looking for a female pilot to pre-flight naked for his web page? Tina Marie —  skydiver – PP-ASEL – N860SG  * An apostrophe does not mean, "Yikes! http://www.neosoft.com/~tina   * Here comes an ’s’!" – Dave Barry

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Yes.

one who read that subject line and thought of that guy a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – while back who was looking for a female pilot to pre-flight naked for his web page?

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Am I the only one who read that subject line and thought of that guy a while back who was looking for a female pilot to pre-flight naked for his web page? Tina Marie —  skydiver – PP-ASEL – N860SG  * An apostrophe does not mean, "Yikes! http://www.neosoft.com/~tina   * Here comes an ’s’!" – Dave Barry

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ws.net… Am I the only one who read that subject line and thought of that guy a while back who was looking for a female pilot to pre-flight naked for his web page? Tina Marie —  skydiver – PP-ASEL – N860SG  * An apostrophe does not mean, "Yikes! http://www.neosoft.com/~tina   * Here comes an ’s’!" – Dave

Barry Got no web page, but send me some 8×10 glossies anyway. J Kelley

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The current use of P.C. flight simulators by prospective flight students for the purpose of pre-flight training is of great interest to me.  I’m a ex USAF flight instructor and I would like to know about your experiences relating to simulators and contact flight training.  If you used simulators for preflight training, how did it affect your training and what positions did your flight instructors take with respect to flight simulator use?  If you are a flight instructor, what do you think about the use of flight simulators by fledglings?  I’m not talking about the use of simulators for instrument training, that’s an entirely different matter. Thanks, J Kelley

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I had a nice dream last night. It involved lots of vomiting. First it was 2 babies puking on eachother, then it was a couple of old guys vomiting all over the place, which I didn’t see but when I followed the sound of the vomiting I found myself in a room where the walls and ceiling were covered in vomit, dripping off the ceiling too. Then there was an annoying kid vomiting all over the place too and he just grabbed me and refused to let go and I was trying to get away cus I knew he was gonna throw up on me. I managed to get away tho, just in time. I also had a dream about a dog. I have some nice dreams don’t I? Also when I woke up I thought I had to get up to go to school, but after a minute or so I realised I don’t go to school anymore. I also said for some unknown reason "we’re pathetic. I hate my life":P So, I have some odd mornings. G’night.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Victor" (_) writes: > I had a nice dream last night. > It involved lots of vomiting. > First it was 2 babies puking on eachother, then it was a couple of old > guys vomiting all over the place, which I didn’t see but when I > followed the sound of the vomiting I found myself in a room where the > walls and ceiling were covered in vomit, dripping off the ceiling too. > Then there was an annoying kid vomiting all over the place too and he > just grabbed me and refused to let go and I was trying to get away cus > I knew he was gonna throw up on me. > I managed to get away tho, just in time. > I also had a dream about a dog. > I have some nice dreams don’t I? > Also when I woke up I thought I had to get up to go to school, but > after a minute or so I realised I don’t go to school anymore. > I also said for some unknown reason "we’re pathetic. I hate my life":P > So, I have some odd mornings. > G’night.

I was always told that dreaming of poop meant "money coming in". Vomit, well, let’s hope that is not money going out L:) I dreamt for a change, two nights ago. The only bits I remember seem to be about two bits of dreams (neither seemed to last and both seemed dreamt just before I woke up, one after the other if seperate dreams. In one, I was in a bus. My change fell out of my pockets and into the bus seat…Only, In canada, coins can be one dollar coins and/or 2 dollar coins. In my dream, I had lost a half handfull or so, and I then proceeded to try and slip my hand between the seat and the back to try and get it back. But I then saw that as happens sometimes in buses, the seat was loose, not snapped nor screwed in the metal frame. I then made it slide, and lo and behold, many had lost their coins there. It was filled with a whole bunch f handfulls. I was trying to grab by the handfull to get my money back at ;east when a couple on the bus, the only two save me and the driver, started saying somethign about that money being theirs or eveyone’s where they anted it. I explained turning to the guy that I had dropped my own coins, a half handfull or so, there, myself and was trying to ge it back…But by the time I turned around to try some more, all the coinsd were gone…The gal had snatched it as her bfriend had distracted me. But I had a chance before they did to grab a few handfuls:). The driver as payign close attention lookng in his rear view mirror and I thought that at any time he woudl stop the bus and come grab it all:), or ask us/the couple to give him all the coins back. Seemd like poele hunfgry for money, hehehe. Only bit I rememebr of that one. Then I was in another dream, at the office. There, I do not remember a context or anything. I donlt think there was one, save my coilleague talking as she does at times being rude, and "baveuse" (arrogant and tlking with a loose mouth, like one aving a hot potato in their mouth when saying rude thngs like bum-teens, say. I donlt remeber what she said at all, nor did I hear any words per se in the dream save that it was supposed to be that I had heard, and racted to the tone anyway, telling the colleague rigt off the bat "You are so rude.". But using the word "Bete" which in France French means "beast/animal", nbut in quebvecer means like someone born without any civilized ways or always rude, no family education, no knoledge of politeness, just plain "rough" and mean/constantly in a foul mood. Ther, maybe "foul" says it best for the English equivalent (?). I threw that walking back to my office after she threw whatever usual on that tone of hers, which she threw as I was already walking to my office from the corridor, as if back from the file room to fetch something. I told her in the dream how "foul" she was but on a sort of statement tone, like oen not even bothering with what she might ever have to say/said, given the tone I foudn just not worthy of any other reply. I remembered waking up how dreams can be therapeutic. Probably everyen dreams of work all the time and tells poeple off or whatever. But in my case, this being the first dream of a year, if not of the lst year (might be, I hardly ever ever dream at all), it made me once more measure how much I miss out in just never or *almost* never dreaming. So what happened in your day that could make you now know what a dream where everyone vomits means…? Let us know in case anyone woudl ever dream that too;-):):) C —

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"Wing Commander Sandcastle" <ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:ahe4pv$sfr7m$1@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de… > www.slowwave.com

Interesting link, thanks.  I’ve just submitted the dream too.

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www.slowwave.com OTS "Ben G." <no_email_replies_tha…@thisisaspamblock.com> wrote in message

news:3d3a8380_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve started writing down my dreams, see what you make of this dream I had > last night: > I remember I went for a job interview in this dream somewhere in the south > of England.  I remember the interview going ok but I was asked some awkward > questions.  For instance, I recall being asked for proof of my > qualifications (original certificates) for when I went for the second > interview.  I remember that the position was only temporary and I couldn’t > get them to tell me about the salary.  It was a sort of accounting job > though with what seemed like a large element of problem solving.  The guy > who interviewed me said I’d have to come back for a second interview in > Ipswich I think.  This is where it went weird; I recall leaving the place > feeling down because of my lack of qualifications and then I heard a phone > conversation between another applicant and the guy who’d just interviewed > me.  The caller was a graduate of some kind an he was baffling on about > logic so I pretty much gave up on the idea of getting the job.  I then > recall leaving on a bicycle with loads of kids everywhere, I remember trying > to dodge them on my bike and avoid them even though it was impossible.  I > then recall thinking that I probably wouldn’t even take the job because it > was down in Suffolk and it would mean moving and the pay probably wasn’t > sufficient to warrant doing so.  I then remember driving round what was sort > of like Ipswich in an old classic (but beat up) car with someone (I can’t > recall who).  I remember seeing a few American cars before I went to park. > When I parked I seemed to have difficulty manoeuvring the car because it was > difficult to steer and I remember the car park attendant asking me to pull > forward to I could take the ticket from him.  I then remember parking up in > a dusty part of the car park (which was multi storey originally but was now > a normal car park) and leaving the ticket in the window of the car.  I then > remember walking down a quaint looking street street and into a shop of some > kind (I think it was a toy shop or possibly a music shop) with someone and > still thinking to myself whether to take the job or not.  At this point I > woke up.

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I’ve started writing down my dreams, see what you make of this dream I had last night: I remember I went for a job interview in this dream somewhere in the south of England.  I remember the interview going ok but I was asked some awkward questions.  For instance, I recall being asked for proof of my qualifications (original certificates) for when I went for the second interview.  I remember that the position was only temporary and I couldn’t get them to tell me about the salary.  It was a sort of accounting job though with what seemed like a large element of problem solving.  The guy who interviewed me said I’d have to come back for a second interview in Ipswich I think.  This is where it went weird; I recall leaving the place feeling down because of my lack of qualifications and then I heard a phone conversation between another applicant and the guy who’d just interviewed me.  The caller was a graduate of some kind an he was baffling on about logic so I pretty much gave up on the idea of getting the job.  I then recall leaving on a bicycle with loads of kids everywhere, I remember trying to dodge them on my bike and avoid them even though it was impossible.  I then recall thinking that I probably wouldn’t even take the job because it was down in Suffolk and it would mean moving and the pay probably wasn’t sufficient to warrant doing so.  I then remember driving round what was sort of like Ipswich in an old classic (but beat up) car with someone (I can’t recall who).  I remember seeing a few American cars before I went to park. When I parked I seemed to have difficulty manoeuvring the car because it was difficult to steer and I remember the car park attendant asking me to pull forward to I could take the ticket from him.  I then remember parking up in a dusty part of the car park (which was multi storey originally but was now a normal car park) and leaving the ticket in the window of the car.  I then remember walking down a quaint looking street street and into a shop of some kind (I think it was a toy shop or possibly a music shop) with someone and still thinking to myself whether to take the job or not.  At this point I woke up.

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Hi! On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:19:19 -0800 "Demiurge" <phof_…@ispchannel.com> wrote: > Hi > I have to say My nightmares were always my favorite > since they would scare me more than any horror movie.

Ever thought of publishing them as movie scripts? I’m puzzled at your considering them "favorite". > And in some cases with my nightmares when the > division between dream and reality (or the illusion > thereof) is lost and you aren’t sure when you woke up.

This is also not rare with nightmares, together with a sudden awakening. Actually, you pass thought an intermediate state, when you are like awake but still believe in the "facts" the dream as they were real. Usually this lasts a few seconds. > — > Paul > Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours. > "Rainbow Knight" <kingM…@telware.it> wrote in message > news:%1Ow4.1290$A4.115061@c01read04.service.talkway.com…

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Hi again! On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:12:10 -0800 "Demiurge" <phof_…@ispchannel.com> wrote: > Hi > it is strange that I have never had a virus problem, > and so don’t know what they are like. I generally follow > all the safety protocalls for cruising on the net.

You do well, BTW. >  I kinda think maybe it is a reference into my life. > About my fears for the future and if I will fail in > classes again this quarter. I refuse to give in to my > fears so I believe (when I rarely dream) that it is me > giving myself response to my life and fears. I have had > worse nightmares though.

Your interpretation could be the right one. Fear has taken the shape of a virus in this case. As to dream, you always dream. This is physiological, we all do when sleeping. It is the normal activity of our brains. Only you forget most of what you dream, which is again normal. > — > Paul > Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours.

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Hi I have to say My nightmares were always my favorite since they would scare me more than any horror movie. And in some cases with my nightmares when the division between dream and reality(or the illusion thereof) is lost and you aren’t sure when you woke up. — Paul Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours. "Rainbow Knight" <kingM…@telware.it> wrote in message

news:%1Ow4.1290$A4.115061@c01read04.service.talkway.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi again! > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:12:10 -0800 "Demiurge" <phof_…@ispchannel.com> > wrote: > > Hi > > it is strange that I have never had a virus problem, > > and so don’t know what they are like. I generally follow > > all the safety protocalls for cruising on the net. > You do well, BTW. > >  I kinda think maybe it is a reference into my life. > > About my fears for the future and if I will fail in > > classes again this quarter. I refuse to give in to my > > fears so I believe (when I rarely dream) that it is me > > giving myself response to my life and fears. I have had > > worse nightmares though. > Your interpretation could be the right one. Fear has > taken the shape of a virus in this case. > As to dream, you always dream. This is physiological, > we all do when sleeping. It is the normal activity of > our brains. Only you forget most of what you dream, > which is again normal. > > — > > Paul > > Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours. > Best wishes > Rafwolf > Remove MAPS from the address to reply. >                 *** Homepage *** > <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> >                 *** ASL RAF FAQ *** > <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/aslfaq.html> > — > Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums > Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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Hi it is strange that I have never had a virus problem, and so don’t know what they are like. I generally follow all the safety protocalls for cruising on the net.      I kinda think maybe it is a reference into my life. About my fears for the future and if I will fail in classes again this quarter. I refuse to give in to my fears so I believe (when I rarely dream)that it is me giving myself response to my life and fears. I have had worse nightmares though. — Paul Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours. "Rainbow Knight" <kingM…@telware.it> wrote in message

news:4xCw4.1047$A4.112481@c01read04.service.talkway.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Paul! > Your dream looks like a description I’ve heard of > the "worm" Happy99.exe. They told me that it made > appear as everything was cancelled, but in fact > it wasn’t. The "smiley" face didn’t appear, but > were the programs icon. > Whatever, a point with the interpretation of dreams > is that without knowing you there is little chance > to detect its meaning. (Nor that one can detect it > in any case, but there are more odds to say something > significant). > An obvious guess is that your dream concerns a > dilemma about giving confidence to a stranger: > you’ve downloaded a file from an unknown source > and got a bad surprise. So possibly your mind > is busy with the issue of opening to communication > and to the concerned risks. The smiley may be a > symbol for hypocrisy. > HTHBDTS (Hope This Helps But Don’t Think So) > Raffreud > On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:56:43 -0800 "Demiurge" <phof_…@ispchannel.com> > wrote: > > Oh I had a dream. > > It was cool I was surfing the web and I saw something interesting to = > > download I proceded and downloaded it and what do you know+ACE- It = > > automatically started opening the files unzipping itself and starting = > > itself. Next thing I know I see a window open up with a bunch of torn = > > files being put into the garbage can. finally all damaged files are = > > dropped into the garbage can and my monitor displays a smiley face. Then = > > my monitor goes blank+ACE- I think to my self +ACI-Oh sh+ACo-t I = > > downloaded a virus+ACEAIg-=20 > > Weird dream. > > I wonder what it means? > > –=20 > > Paul=20 > > Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours.  =20 > Remove MAPS from the address to reply. >                 *** Homepage *** > <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> >                 *** ASL RAF FAQ *** > <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/aslfaq.html> > — > Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums > Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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Oh I had a dream. It was cool I was surfing the web and I saw something interesting to download I proceded and downloaded it and what do you know! It automatically started opening the files unzipping itself and starting itself. Next thing I know I see a window open up with a bunch of torn files being put into the garbage can. finally all damaged files are dropped into the garbage can and my monitor displays a smiley face. Then my monitor goes blank! I think to my self "Oh sh*t I downloaded a virus!" Weird dream. I wonder what it means? — Paul Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours.  

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Hi Paul! Your dream looks like a description I’ve heard of the "worm" Happy99.exe. They told me that it made appear as everything was cancelled, but in fact it wasn’t. The "smiley" face didn’t appear, but were the programs icon. Whatever, a point with the interpretation of dreams is that without knowing you there is little chance to detect its meaning. (Nor that one can detect it in any case, but there are more odds to say something significant). An obvious guess is that your dream concerns a dilemma about giving confidence to a stranger: you’ve downloaded a file from an unknown source and got a bad surprise. So possibly your mind is busy with the issue of opening to communication and to the concerned risks. The smiley may be a symbol for hypocrisy. HTHBDTS (Hope This Helps But Don’t Think So) Raffreud On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:56:43 -0800 "Demiurge" <phof_…@ispchannel.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh I had a dream. > It was cool I was surfing the web and I saw something interesting to = > download I proceded and downloaded it and what do you know+ACE- It = > automatically started opening the files unzipping itself and starting = > itself. Next thing I know I see a window open up with a bunch of torn = > files being put into the garbage can. finally all damaged files are = > dropped into the garbage can and my monitor displays a smiley face. Then = > my monitor goes blank+ACE- I think to my self +ACI-Oh sh+ACo-t I = > downloaded a virus+ACEAIg-=20 > Weird dream. > I wonder what it means? > –=20 > Paul=20 > Patron Saint of lost causes and Hopeless endeavours.  =20

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pss.. Ollie.. virtual reality and simulation will never replace what is real.. just a thought .. Pamela "Nothing Face" <ol…@sandcastle.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:847vcp$a67$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If the simulation had a high fidelity, it should not matter what was real > and what not. > All existence is just information being run through a virtual machine. > OTS > The Beast wrote in message <38660…@news.iglou.com>… > >I > >woke up > >one morning > >and > >you were laying > >in bed > >beside me. > >We > >laughed and > >played all day > >and shared > >a nice > >romantic > >candlelight dinner > >beside the fireplace. > >We > >made love > >all night long > >and afterwhich > >we held eachother > >as lovers do > >without a care in the world > >But…. > >I woke up > >alone > >and realized that > >it was merely > >a dream.

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I woke up one morning and you were laying in bed beside me. We laughed and played all day and shared a nice romantic candlelight dinner beside the fireplace. We made love all night long and afterwhich we held eachother as lovers do without a care in the world But…. I woke up alone and realized that it was merely a dream.

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    Sigh, been there Beast, thanx for sharing Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The Beast wrote: > I > woke up > one morning > and > you were laying > in bed > beside me. > We > laughed and > played all day > and shared > a nice > romantic > candlelight dinner > beside the fireplace. > We > made love > all night long > and afterwhich > we held eachother > as lovers do > without a care in the world > But…. > I woke up > alone > and realized that > it was merely > a dream.

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We gotta have dreams, it’s a better place with them, living without dreams would be so boring and mundane. Harvey In article <38660…@news.iglou.com>, thebe…@iglou.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I >woke up >one morning >and >you were laying >in bed >beside me. >We >laughed and >played all day >and shared >a nice >romantic >candlelight dinner >beside the fireplace. >We >made love >all night long >and afterwhich >we held eachother >as lovers do >without a care in the world >But…. >I woke up >alone >and realized that >it was merely >a dream.

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I’m crying for you and for me.  I hope that it will be more than a dream for you someday soon. The Beast <thebe…@iglou.com> wrote in message

news:38660e16@news.iglou.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I > woke up > one morning > and > you were laying > in bed > beside me. > We > laughed and > played all day > and shared > a nice > romantic > candlelight dinner > beside the fireplace. > We > made love > all night long > and afterwhich > we held eachother > as lovers do > without a care in the world > But…. > I woke up > alone > and realized that > it was merely > a dream.

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If the simulation had a high fidelity, it should not matter what was real and what not. All existence is just information being run through a virtual machine. OTS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The Beast wrote in message <38660…@news.iglou.com>… >I >woke up >one morning >and >you were laying >in bed >beside me. >We >laughed and >played all day >and shared >a nice >romantic >candlelight dinner >beside the fireplace. >We >made love >all night long >and afterwhich >we held eachother >as lovers do >without a care in the world >But…. >I woke up >alone >and realized that >it was merely >a dream.

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Deep Sigh… beautiful thought.. wondrous dreaming but ducking the onslaught of thought for my own sanity.. Thank you Gentle Beast for sharing.. Pamela "The Beast" <thebe…@iglou.com> wrote in message

news:38660e16@news.iglou.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I > woke up > one morning > and > you were laying > in bed > beside me. > We > laughed and > played all day > and shared > a nice > romantic > candlelight dinner > beside the fireplace. > We > made love > all night long > and afterwhich > we held eachother > as lovers do > without a care in the world > But…. > I woke up > alone > and realized that > it was merely > a dream.

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61 events per hour is SEVERE. For severe, my provider makes CPAP happen immediately. To do otherwise *should* be criminal. I suspect the wait is because of the Canadian socialized medicine paper machine. regards, eric pearson er…@nospammindspring.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:46:26 -0500, Barb <amo…@oxford.net> wrote: ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> ><html> >well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope this comes >thru ok! I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea – I don’t know if it was >severe or not – the doctor said I had 391 "incidents" in the 6 hours of >sleep, and 61 arousals per hour. Is this alot? What is considered mild/average/severe? ><p>After the diagnosis, I went the next week (just last monday) to try >the cpap. Well, I got to be the subject of a bit of an experiment – just >that day a new mask was brought in to try – very, very small and light >- just barely fits over the nose. Apparently these are not available yet >but will be soon. ><p>I didn’t have much trouble adjusting, but I did wake up a couple of >times during the night because the mask was leaking, and I had to readjust >it. In the morning I found out that they had to adjust the air level to >11 to keep my blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that a high level? >Was that why I was having the air leakage problem? ><p>I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait until January >4, 2000 to get my results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to me >to have to wait – is that the average wait after the cpap trial? ><p>Anyway – I was interested to read about the night sweats – one of the >things I noticed at the cpap trial was that when I woke up I still had >all the covers on! Usually I toss them all off during the night, and wake >up in a sweat. I hadn’t even sweated at all! Is the night sweats from struggling >to breath? ><p>I am really anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can tollerate >it – are there any Ontario – Canada people on this newsgroup that could >tell me what the good units available here are? ><p>Thanks! ><p>Barb ><br>&nbsp; ><br>&nbsp;</html>

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Lee Babcock <babco…@idirect.ca> wrote: >> I suspect the wait is because of the Canadian socialized medicine >> paper machine. >Eric…. don’t speak without knowledge!  I’m in Ontario and waited only 13 days from FIRST >test to getting my machine.  I got the machine 3 days after my final test.  Also, I got a >sleep lab appointment in two days  and this was my choice.  I could have had it the same >night!  I get tired of people, especially Americans, belittling a health care system that >they know nothing about.  

Umm, in Alberta and B.C. the wait is between six and eighteen months to get into a sleep lab depending on where you live. Furthermore in AB and BC you have to pay for the CPAP machines yourself.  I think ON the govt pays for them. Tony —- Message posted to newsgroup and, if appropriate, emailed. Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at    http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm VolStar http://www.volstar.com Manage hundreds or    thousands of volunteers for special events.

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news:383B3D92.69A86515@idirect.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jo…. I don’t know when you got yours, but they have a long legal form now that is > your diagnosis and prescription, is signed by the sleep specialist and the referring > physician and of course, you as the patient.  It clearly states that the patient has > a permanent disability which can be useful other places.  I used a copy of this to > get disabled parking at the college.  When OHIP receives this, you are enrolled. > The selling agents (i.e. Medigas) do all the running around and getting the form > signed and in fact submit it to OHIP. > It’s really simple now. > Regards, Lee

    Must have started after I got mine, that was 3 years ago, seeing as how I knew nothing about this service when I got mine.  I’m not in Ontario now but it might help when I go back after my hubby retires, that is, if we don’t retire to Florida or somewhere else sunnier, which is what I want to do and my hubby is willing to do. Jo

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Peg wrote: > All I got from my K-W sleep clinic in Aug 99 was a standard sized > prescription sheet with the CPAP pressure. The form I signed with > Medigas was a financial agreement only.

Peg….  form is legal sized, multiple copy, Ontario Ministry of Health, Assistive Devices Branch, 7th floor, 5700 Yonge St, North York, M2M 4K5. 1-800-268-6021.  Form name is Equipment/Supply Authorization.  Form number is 7530-4835. I’d jump on your supplier and give them this info.  They need to earn their money! Hope this helps Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jo wrote: >     I wish you hadn’t responded so harshly to Lee’s comment about him being > tired of Americans belittling a health care system they know nothing about.  I > am an American and I do know about their health care since I lived up there for > four years and was privy to using their system, though I didn’t use it much. >  I’m wishing I was > back in Ontario and had that wonderful free OHIP plan going.  I would love to go > to a doctor and see if I really do have fibromyalgia or not but I don’t want to > go here until I have some insurance under my belt, know what I mean? >     I’m paying out of my pocket now for the doctor’s visit to see about my high > blood pressure, and paying full price for the meds, too.  Ugh!  I may not have > been completely happy with the doctors up there but I’ve not been completely > happy with the doctors I’ve seen here, either.  I think it’s just me, actually, > but at least the doctor visits were free and I didn’t have to put off going > until I had enough money to go.  There is a lot to be said about this kind of > coverage. >     I just felt that you came out flailing and I didn’t like what I saw. > Jo

Jo… appreciate the support, but I’m ‘broad shouldered across the hips’ so I can take the strain. <g> Why don’t you and your husband move back here?  Good people are always welcome. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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Jo wrote: > > …  Once you get your > > prescription, you will be enrolled (automatically) in the > > Assisted Home Care Devices plan for OHIP and they will come >     Oh, that’s interesting.  I don’t think I was enrolled in that plan after I > got mine.  In order to get mine, I had to go to Medigas and talk with them > there.  The guy there showed me the machine and how it works, set the pressure > the lab had recommended, had me put the straps on the mask and

Jo…. I don’t know when you got yours, but they have a long legal form now that is your diagnosis and prescription, is signed by the sleep specialist and the referring physician and of course, you as the patient.  It clearly states that the patient has a permanent disability which can be useful other places.  I used a copy of this to get disabled parking at the college.  When OHIP receives this, you are enrolled. The selling agents (i.e. Medigas) do all the running around and getting the form signed and in fact submit it to OHIP. It’s really simple now. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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Dear Z,     I wish you hadn’t responded so harshly to Lee’s comment about him being tired of Americans belittling a health care system they know nothing about.  It is true that most Americans know nothing about the Canadian health care plan.  I am an American and I do know about their health care since I lived up there for four years and was privy to using their system, though I didn’t use it much.     I found drawbacks, yes, like one ER in a Scarborough hospital only having one doctor on duty for the whole ER.  And when the doctors went on strike, we couldn’t get my son’s allergies tested for months and months.  And there was never any job openings in any of the hospitals ever.  Maybe initially I didn’t feel as confident in the doctors there as I did of the ones in the U.S. but whatever medical problem I had was treated successfully.  And my kids, too.  Our family doctor was Chinese so I don’t know if that means anything significant or not.  And I got my sleep studies and my CPAP machine for free.     All I do know is that now I am back living in Ohio and I don’t have any medical insurance covering me right now at all, and I am going to have a damned hard time getting one to cover me since I’m so fat and now am on medicine for high blood pressure.  My husband is working in a very small company, hence the insurance plan that they have for their employees isn’t a very hefty one.  In order to put me on it under the family plan I was going to have to pay a good $300 a month.  That was an outrageous price and I decided that I could get a better price on my own forgetting that I have a fat body and forgetting how insurance companies look with disdain at such fatties.  At the time my husband started working here we just plain couldn’t afford another $300 added to our budget.  We just did not have it.  Now that we do, I’m f#@ked from what I’m seeing when I look at the insurance brochures I’ve received.  I’m wishing I was back in Ontario and had that wonderful free OHIP plan going.  I would love to go to a doctor and see if I really do have fibromyalgia or not but I don’t want to go here until I have some insurance under my belt, know what I mean?     I’m paying out of my pocket now for the doctor’s visit to see about my high blood pressure, and paying full price for the meds, too.  Ugh!  I may not have been completely happy with the doctors up there but I’ve not been completely happy with the doctors I’ve seen here, either.  I think it’s just me, actually, but at least the doctor visits were free and I didn’t have to put off going until I had enough money to go.  There is a lot to be said about this kind of coverage.     I just felt that you came out flailing and I didn’t like what I saw. Jo

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> …  Once you get your > prescription, you will be enrolled (automatically) in the > Assisted Home Care Devices plan for OHIP and they will come > to your home/office and demo machines and masks and show you > how to use them etc.  The people you will deal with in this > regard must be registered respiratory technicians to get the > job, so they have knowledge that is far beyond most of the > doctors.

    Oh, that’s interesting.  I don’t think I was enrolled in that plan after I got mine.  In order to get mine, I had to go to Medigas and talk with them there.  The guy there showed me the machine and how it works, set the pressure the lab had recommended, had me put the straps on the mask and then put it on my face.  We tried to make sure that it fit right before I left.  I wasn’t very cooperative with him because I was in resent mode very badly that day.  I barely listened to what he was saying and just barely did what he asked me.     At that time, I hated the whole friggin’ idea of having to wear a mask and have air forced down my throat to sleep.  It’s a long story, one that I have related here but don’t want to take up the space to relate it again. Jo

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> Yeah Scarborough!  Hello Jo.  Mention to your SO that we just got a huge and much > needed new addition to the college.  They are putting the windows in this week and > we move in first week of Jan 2000.  Will include a new 100 unit student only > computer lab open 24/7. > Regards, Lee

    My hubby worked at the Bibliocentre on Kennedy so I don’t think he’s really that familiar with what’s going on at the university proper.  But thanks for telling us anyway.     I lived for two years in Scarborough off Scarborough Golf Club Rd.  We really miss going to Pickering to Frenchman’s Bay and sitting on the beach to watch the sunsets.     Anyway, what this has to do with sleep disorders, I don’t know so I guess I better stop. Jo

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mira…@my-deja.com wrote: > In regards to your question below, the funding in Ontario will not > cover ongoing exspenses related to CPAP, therfore you are on your own > to replace the mask, tubing, headgear ect. Private insurance may pay > for ongoing exspenses depending on your coverage. > Generally you should replace your mask at least once a year, they pick > up the oil off your skin and become more brittle, if you take good care > of your mask you can have it last longer.

If you invest a little more in the Mirage mask (provided that it fits OK), you don’t have to replace the mask, only the silicone seal.  This would save money in the long run Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:45:21 GMT, Lee Babcock <babco…@idirect.ca> wrote: >If you invest a little more in the Mirage mask (provided that it fits OK), >you don’t have to replace the mask, only the silicone seal.  

And any other parts that break…. which I’ve had happen. I send the bills in and my insurance pays 80% (but I don’t hold my breath waiting for them).

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Barb wrote: > hank you!! One question I have – how long have you been on > the cpap, and do you find you still feel good with it? > Also, how long does a mask generally last, and are they > covered by OHIP too (i.e. when you need to get a new one.)

Barb…. whatever related equipment you get is covered, so you might as well get something good.  I got two sets of hoses, extra foam and extra fine filters as well.  I got the humidifier and two sets of hoses and several spare gaskets for it as well.  OHIP’s funding is only once every three years, so get what you can now.    Someone told me that the Shopper’s Drug Mart Home Care Stores have CPAP accessories so I’m going to check that out this week. I’ve been on it since the first of August 99 and am just getting used to it.  My pressure setting was 11 but I couldn’t tolerate it so had to start at 8 for a while, then up by .5 every so often.   The mask was a problem at first, but the folks here explained the ‘rules’ for the Mirage. I’m now getting about 5 – 6 hours sleep a night, most of it good sleep.  As for feeling better, I had severe cognitave impairment to the extent that I couldn’t do basic math and early in the day couldn’t fiigure out what key locked the door.  This has almost disappeared.  My short term memory was shot and still is.  I’ve lost  14kg since I started on the CPAP and haven’t changed my eating or excercise.  I have a severely enlarged heart, an enlarged liver and kidney damage, most of which they think is reverseable.  I have a lot of energy now compared to pre-CPAP, but it is not very durable.  Most days, by 4 or 5 in the afternoon, I am wiped out!  Mind you, I was wiped out when I got out of bed before.  I haven’t gone out at night for the last few years as I didn’t have the energy.  If things keep on the way they are, I’m hoping to get out evenings for Tai Chi after the new year.  In answer to your question am I still feeling good, I have only recently started to feel good but am expecting great things.  Fifteen years ago I had endless energy and I hope to get that back.  Are you in K/W or did you go there for your testing? Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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In regards to your question below, the funding in Ontario will not cover ongoing exspenses related to CPAP, therfore you are on your own to replace the mask, tubing, headgear ect. Private insurance may pay for ongoing exspenses depending on your coverage. Generally you should replace your mask at least once a year, they pick up the oil off your skin and become more brittle, if you take good care of your mask you can have it last longer. > > Thank you!! One question I have – how long have you been on the cpap, and > do you find you still feel good with it? Also, how long does a mask generally > last, and are they covered by OHIP too (i.e. when you need to get a new > one.) > <p>Thanks again! > <p>Barb > <br>&nbsp;</html>

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*lee babcock* apparently *hates* Americans, an allied country of his/her beloved Canada !!!! all you have to do is read his/her posts!!! btw, *lee babcock*, my start to finish period was 8 days here in the USA! approximately what city in the USA would your Ontario compare to in medical research, in universities, economically and industrially?  memphis, tn?  providence, ri? chicago, il? napa, ca? seattle, wa? the silicon valley?  mit? stanford? princeton? houston, tx? boston, ma? i know you are an expert on Canada and surroundings, so how many Canadians go to university in the USA; how many Americans go to university in Canada?  P.S. don’t look at the statistics! also, you do not breathe through anything made in the USA, do you, that would be unfair to Canada, correct???  God forbid you send your Canadian dollars to the USA!!! what IS the exchange rate now?  hmmmmmmm! if your beloved country is attacked by russia or china or iran or anyone, who you gonna call on? france???  england???  nato???  sorry, they are all relying on us to bail them out!!! *lb*, get a real life!  why not spend the rest of it giving honor and glory to God and by loving and caring for others??? including me! well, God bless *lee babcock* anyhow!!!!  a bunch!!!! often!!! unconditionally!!! z <+>< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lee Babcock wrote: > eric pearson wrote: > > For severe, my provider makes CPAP happen immediately. > > To do otherwise *should* be criminal. > > I suspect the wait is because of the Canadian socialized medicine > > paper machine. > Eric…. don’t speak without knowledge!  I’m in Ontario and waited only 13 days from FIRST > test to getting my machine.  I got the machine 3 days after my final test.  Also, I got a > sleep lab appointment in two days  and this was my choice.  I could have had it the same > night!  I get tired of people, especially Americans, belittling a health care system that > they know nothing about.  Those that know our system wish they one as good! > Regards, Lee > — > Lee Babcock > Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada > Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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well, my dear fellow, so happy that you tore into me for loving your Canada, the little i have visited there; other may be offended, i only offer your my deepest forgiveness! i believe my intention was to encourage and share my experiences with barb and the ng, certainly not to invite *lee babcok* to criticize and belittle but may God richly bless you and comfort you, anyways z <+>< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lee Babcock wrote: > > do you have socialized insurance and medical coverage in Canada?  if so, > > that may cause the time delays at every step! > We do, and it does NOT cause any delay.  See my other post! > > btw, i worked as a technician in electronics and computers from > > 1963-1998; one trip ( about early 70’s) took me to Edmonton, Ontario to > Edmonton is over 1,000 miles from central Ontario!  Edmonton is in Alberta > and is a city.  Ontario is a Province.  The Prime Minister resides in > Ottawa, the capital of Canada and is in eastern Ontario. > > work on the Prime Minister’s computer system and terminal; it seemed > > like people were walking on eggshells, in fear of their life!  but, i > > took care of things and went on my wayl Edmonton is a beautiful city, it > > must have been autumn with all the colors! > There is virtually no fall colours in Edmonton.  There is however, an > incredible pallete of fall colours in Eastern Ontario. > Regards, Lee > — > Lee Babcock > Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada > Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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> do you have socialized insurance and medical coverage in Canada?  if so, > that may cause the time delays at every step!

We do, and it does NOT cause any delay.  See my other post! > btw, i worked as a technician in electronics and computers from > 1963-1998; one trip ( about early 70’s) took me to Edmonton, Ontario to

Edmonton is over 1,000 miles from central Ontario!  Edmonton is in Alberta and is a city.  Ontario is a Province.  The Prime Minister resides in Ottawa, the capital of Canada and is in eastern Ontario. > work on the Prime Minister’s computer system and terminal; it seemed > like people were walking on eggshells, in fear of their life!  but, i > took care of things and went on my wayl Edmonton is a beautiful city, it > must have been autumn with all the colors!

There is virtually no fall colours in Edmonton.  There is however, an incredible pallete of fall colours in Eastern Ontario. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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eric pearson wrote: > For severe, my provider makes CPAP happen immediately. > To do otherwise *should* be criminal. > I suspect the wait is because of the Canadian socialized medicine > paper machine.

Eric…. don’t speak without knowledge!  I’m in Ontario and waited only 13 days from FIRST test to getting my machine.  I got the machine 3 days after my final test.  Also, I got a sleep lab appointment in two days  and this was my choice.  I could have had it the same night!  I get tired of people, especially Americans, belittling a health care system that they know nothing about.  Those that know our system wish they one as good! Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jo wrote: > Barb <amo…@oxford.net> wrote in message news:3833A0C2.228708B0@oxford.net… > > well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope this comes > thru ok! >     Hi, Barb, yep, your note came through fine and you’ve gotten some answers > back. > > I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait until January 4, > 2000 to get > >my results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to me to have to wait – is > that the > >average wait after the cpap trial? >     To me that is a very long time to wait in Canada.  Not everyone has the same > experience but in my case, I got my machine one week after the titration sleep > study.  I was living in Ontario at the time I got my machine, in Scarborough.

Yeah Scarborough!  Hello Jo.  Mention to your SO that we just got a huge and much needed new addition to the college.  They are putting the windows in this week and we move in first week of Jan 2000.  Will include a new 100 unit student only computer lab open 24/7. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Barb wrote: > well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – > hope this comes thru ok! I was just diagnosed with sleep > apnea – I don’t know if it was severe or not – the doctor > said I had 391 "incidents" in the 6 hours of sleep, and 61 > arousals per hour. Is this alot? What is considered > mild/average/severe? > After the diagnosis, I went the next week (just last > monday) to try the cpap. Well, I got to be the subject of > a bit of an experiment – just that day a new mask was > brought in to try – very, very small and light – just > barely fits over the nose. Apparently these are not > available yet but will be soon. > I didn’t have much trouble adjusting, but I did wake up a > couple of times during the night because the mask was > leaking, and I had to readjust it. In the morning I found > out that they had to adjust the air level to 11 to keep my > blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that a high > level? Was that why I was having the air leakage problem? > I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to > wait until January 4, 2000 to get my results and get my > cpap – it seems a long time to me to have to wait – is > that the average wait after the cpap trial? > Anyway – I was interested to read about the night sweats – > one of the things I noticed at the cpap trial was that > when I woke up I still had all the covers on! Usually I > toss them all off during the night, and wake up in a > sweat. I hadn’t even sweated at all! Is the night sweats > from struggling to breath? > I am really anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can > tollerate it – are there any Ontario – Canada people on > this newsgroup that could tell me what the good units > available here are?

Barb…. I’m in Scarborough and had my unit 3 days after my final test.  OHIP will pay 75% of the cost up to $1,200 every three years for your unit.  I have the Ramstar unit and the Mirage mask and both like and have no problems with either. Where are you located and where did you have your test.  I had mine at a sleep clinic on Neilson Road that is connected with Sunnybrooke Health Sciences Centre.  I was referred by Sunnybrooke and things really moved fast.  Had my first test two days after I saw the doctor, had the second test 10 days later. As for machines, a lot of the units sold elsewhere are not sold in Ontario.  OHIP requires patient protection in that there must be a three year warranty and they must have local service facilities available.  Once you get your prescription, you will be enrolled (automatically) in the Assisted Home Care Devices plan for OHIP and they will come to your home/office and demo machines and masks and show you how to use them etc.  The people you will deal with in this regard must be registered respiratory technicians to get the job, so they have knowledge that is far beyond most of the doctors. If you have any questions, reply here or by email and I’ll do my best to help. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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Barb <amo…@oxford.net> wrote in message news:3833A0C2.228708B0@oxford.net… > well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope this comes

thru ok!     Hi, Barb, yep, your note came through fine and you’ve gotten some answers back. > I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait until January 4, 2000 to get >my results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to me to have to wait – is that the >average wait after the cpap trial?

    To me that is a very long time to wait in Canada.  Not everyone has the same experience but in my case, I got my machine one week after the titration sleep study.  I was living in Ontario at the time I got my machine, in Scarborough. > …anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can tollerate it – are there any Ontario – > Canada people on this newsgroup that could tell me what the good units available > here are?

    Like I said I was in Canada when I got my machine back in 1996.  I chose to get the Monarch mini-mask since that was the mask that I tolerated the best during the study.  I was told that I could only get a Remstar machine since that was the specific mask I chose.  So, I’m not a good one to be able to tell you about what good units are available there.     I just want to point out that after OHIP pays for its share of the machine to check with any other insurance policies you might be carrying like one from where you (or your husband if you are married) work.  My husband’s insurance coverage from Centennial College covered the rest of the expense of the machine plus a passover humidifier.     I hope that you also consider getting a humidifier.  The consensus here is that having a humidifier is greatly beneficial in making the usage of CPAP more comfortable.  From what I’ve read, a heated humidifier is the one of choice here.  I have the passover type and that works just fine for me.  If I don’t use the humidifier, I feel very dried out. Jo

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barb,  i am osa newbie, also, but i live in houston, texas, usa; had the first osa test (nov 11), 457 *apnea events/ 6 hours / 75 per hour; o2 at 98; cpap overnight (nov 13) showed snoring and apneas both went to zero; o2 went from 78 to 98!  i guess you could say the cpap for me was love at first sight (night)! BUT, i had the results in no time and the cpap machine and masks, etc. were to be here today (nov 19), but i have a bronchitis infection, fever, etc so will get it monday, nov 22!  i really hate to see you have to wait for so long! really, at first, one sleep clinic guessed it would be mid-december for my first osa test, and long after that for the 2nd, and the cpap machine; i took another direction and went start to finish (cpap machine, etc) in 8 days!  here in houston, when you finally get the Rx from your dr, with the faxing back and forth between dr and sleep clinic, it looks like you could get your cpap and all accessories within a couple of days!  getting the scores of each test, via a pulm med specialist, takes about one day!  i guess this is one blessing of living in a big (?) city, the one that happens to have the most polluted air in the usa! i hope and pray you get your cpap sooner than january!  here is the usa, i am told, with our group medical, once the cpap Rx is written, we can "shop around" and go to any (approved equipment provider) that our coverage lists  ( we have united healthcare ); do you have socialized insurance and medical coverage in Canada?  if so, that may cause the time delays at every step! btw, i worked as a technician in electronics and computers from 1963-1998; one trip ( about early 70’s) took me to Edmonton, Ontario to work on the Prime Minister’s computer system and terminal; it seemed like people were walking on eggshells, in fear of their life!  but, i took care of things and went on my wayl Edmonton is a beautiful city, it must have been autumn with all the colors! be blessed, and keep in touch with these folks on the ng; some seem to only post questions, several regulars frequently email and post back, and newbies always continue to come on in; anyway, blessings and may God make a special way for you to be "taken care of" very soon!!! z <+>< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howard Bilkey wrote: >      Barb and Group:I took my sleep test on 10-30-99 and have >      been using my CPAP machine since then. My setting is 13.  I >      found this week that my arousals were 95.1 per hour.  The >      doctor’s comment was  "This is severe!" and "No Wonder you >      felt so bad."I was also diagnosed as Diabetic Type 2. >      However, my glucose readings are now in the normal range >      (80- 113) since I have been using the CPAP machine.  Is >      their anyone out there who is experiencing the same >      results???My mask would also leak.  Sometimes I would not >      wash the mask each day and forget to wash my face before >      going to sleep.  I would have leaks.  Keep the mask and your >      face clean and you should not have the leaks.MY machine is a >      GoodNight A18G.  It is rather quiet, Apparently much quieter >      than several that I have read about in this New Group.Good >      luck with you results and machine.Barb <amo…@oxford.net> >      wrote in message news:3833A0C2.228708B0@oxford.net…well, >      here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope >      this comes thru ok! I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea – >      I don’t know if it was severe or not – the doctor said I had >      391 "incidents" in the 6 hours of sleep, and 61 arousals per >      hour. Is this alot? What is considered mild/average/severe? >      After the diagnosis, I went the next week (just last monday) >      to try the cpap. Well, I got to be the subject of a bit of >      an experiment – just that day a new mask was brought in to >      try – very, very small and light – just barely fits over the >      nose. Apparently these are not available yet but will be >      soon. >      I didn’t have much trouble adjusting, but I did wake up a >      couple of times during the night because the mask was >      leaking, and I had to readjust it. In the morning I found >      out that they had to adjust the air level to 11 to keep my >      blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that a high >      level? Was that why I was having the air leakage problem? >      I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait >      until January 4, 2000 to get my results and get my cpap – it >      seems a long time to me to have to wait – is that the >      average wait after the cpap trial? >      Anyway – I was interested to read about the night sweats – >      one of the things I noticed at the cpap trial was that when >      I woke up I still had all the covers on! Usually I toss them >      all off during the night, and wake up in a sweat. I hadn’t >      even sweated at all! Is the night sweats from struggling to >      breath? >      I am really anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can >      tollerate it – are there any Ontario – Canada people on this >      newsgroup that could tell me what the good units available >      here are? >      Thanks! Barb

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  Barb and Group:   I took my sleep test on 10-30-99 and have been using my CPAP machine since then. My setting is 13.  I found this week that my arousals were 95.1 per hour.  The doctor’s comment was  "This is severe!" and "No Wonder you felt so bad."   I was also diagnosed as Diabetic Type 2.  However, my glucose readings are now in the normal range (80- 113) since I have been using the CPAP machine.  Is their anyone out there who is experiencing the same results???   My mask would also leak.  Sometimes I would not wash the mask each day and forget to wash my face before going to sleep.  I would have leaks.  Keep the mask and your face clean and you should not have the leaks.   MY machine is a GoodNight A18G.  It is rather quiet, Apparently much quieter than several that I have read about in this New Group.   Good luck with you results and machine.   Barb <amo…@oxford.net> wrote in message news:3833A0C2.228708B0@oxford.net…   well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope this comes thru ok! I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea – I don’t know if it was severe or not – the doctor said I had 391 "incidents" in the 6 hours of sleep, and 61 arousals per hour. Is this alot? What is considered mild/average/severe?   After the diagnosis, I went the next week (just last monday) to try the cpap. Well, I got to be the subject of a bit of an experiment – just that day a new mask was brought in to try – very, very small and light – just barely fits over the nose. Apparently these are not available yet but will be soon.   I didn’t have much trouble adjusting, but I did wake up a couple of times during the night because the mask was leaking, and I had to readjust it. In the morning I found out that they had to adjust the air level to 11 to keep my blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that a high level? Was that why I was having the air leakage problem?   I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait until January 4, 2000 to get my results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to me to have to wait – is that the average wait after the cpap trial?   Anyway – I was interested to read about the night sweats – one of the things I noticed at the cpap trial was that when I woke up I still had all the covers on! Usually I toss them all off during the night, and wake up in a sweat. I hadn’t even sweated at all! Is the night sweats from struggling to breath?   I am really anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can tollerate it – are there any Ontario – Canada people on this newsgroup that could tell me what the good units available here are?   Thanks!   Barb

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In article <3833A0C2.22870…@oxford.net>,    Dear Barb      As I am sure you are aware you are eligible for some funding for your CPAP unit, this requires that you select units that are on the funding agencies approved list, the newest units to make this list are the Respironics Remstar LX model and the Puritan Bennett Companion 418 both of these units are very good and have the latest technology, these units are basic units as compared to the "auto CPAP" units, however there is no funding for auto cpap units.I would suggest that when you get your unit, that you get all of your accessories (i.e. humidifier) at that time, because the funding is for one time only . If you wish to view the units that are available in Ontario, you can do so at www.cpap.on.ca         regards Miraldi Barb <amo…@oxford.net> wrote: > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> > <html> > well, here goes. I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before – hope this comes > thru ok! I was just diagnosed with sleep apnea – I don’t know if it was > severe or not – the doctor said I had 391 "incidents" in the 6 hours of > sleep, and 61 arousals per hour. Is this alot? What is considered

mild/average/severe? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <p>After the diagnosis, I went the next week (just last monday) to try > the cpap. Well, I got to be the subject of a bit of an experiment – just > that day a new mask was brought in to try – very, very small and light > – just barely fits over the nose. Apparently these are not available yet > but will be soon. > <p>I didn’t have much trouble adjusting, but I did wake up a couple of > times during the night because the mask was leaking, and I had to readjust > it. In the morning I found out that they had to adjust the air level to > 11 to keep my blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that a high level? > Was that why I was having the air leakage problem? > <p>I woke up feeling pretty refreshed – however I have to wait until January > 4, 2000 to get my results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to me > to have to wait – is that the average wait after the cpap trial? > <p>Anyway – I was interested to read about the night sweats – one of the > things I noticed at the cpap trial was that when I woke up I still had > all the covers on! Usually I toss them all off during the night, and wake > up in a sweat. I hadn’t even sweated at all! Is the night sweats from struggling > to breath? > <p>I am really anxious to get the cpap now that I know I can tollerate > it – are there any Ontario – Canada people on this newsgroup that could > tell me what the good units available here are? > <p>Thanks! > <p>Barb > <br>&nbsp; > <br>&nbsp;</html>

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Barb wondered: > … 61 arousals per hour. Is this alot?

Yes.  It’s considered severe.  5 or less is normal.  5-20 is mild, 20-40 is moderate, and 40+ is severe. > … they had to adjust the air level to 11 to keep my > blood oxygen high and breathing normal – is that > a high level? Was that why I was having the air > leakage problem?

11 cm H2O pressure isn’t all that high.  But pressure and severity of the apnea do not correlate.  Some people with higher pressure have milder apnea. And the other way around.  It’s the pressure YOU need to keep your airway open. Air leakage normally just results from having to get adjusted to the mask. There are some tricks that make it work better.  Clean your face before bed. Lie down, THEN adjust the mask.  Don’t over tighten it.  Most masks require that you actually decrease the pressure on the straps.  It’s counter intuitive, but it works. > … I have to wait until January 4, 2000 to get my > results and get my cpap – it seems a long time to > me to have to wait – is that the average wait after > the cpap trial?

No.  It’s really quite long.  It should only take at most a couple of weeks. But it always depends on where you live, how overloaded the sleep lab is, and how much paper work / approval work must be done. > Is the night sweats from struggling to breath?

Absolutely.  This can put a terrible burden on your body during your sleep. If left unchecked it probably would result in irreversible cardiovascular problems. Regards, =jbf= John B. Fisher

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I also was newly diagnosed, after I took the first half of the test they sent me to take the second part (using CPAP) in ten day because of the problems they noticed. I was waking an average of 70 times an hour and my blood oxygen was less than 40% at times. I am on a BiPAP now and feel much better.

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All, Any good parsers available to parse OFX messages?  Unfortunately, OFX is not XML, therefore we need a SGML parser (?).  Any help appreciated…. Thanks. -John

I’ve read OFX servers are available, to be licensed around $10,000. There are several components glued to gether including the security? Anyways, these being sold to banks.  I imagine the small companies providing these servers probably too busy with setup and support, to do any marketing.   Therefore, we *never hear about* these products. These software companies are ‘resource constrained’, not market constrained.   That is one of the BASIC, systematic problems with the way information is disseminated to the accounting profession today.   Other horrible biases arise from the fact that all mass-market organs like magazines, are funded by advertising.  We pollute our information streams by allowing it to be paid for by people who are intrinsically motivated to influence our thinking. The many-to-many confernce on usenet and websites are the antidote. Keep posting.  Here is a master list of forums. http://www.isomedia.com/homes/tboyle/forums.htm

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OFX is the standard for data connectivity between all manner of personal finance (Quicken/Money etc.) and banks.  It represents an explosive, compression merger of the major competing standards for internet banking standards in August 1998.  Very big news at the time. Here is the spec, it is 550Kbytes download and very informative. ftp://ftp.quicken.com/pub/corporate/ofexchange/151html.zip It starts off: Open Financial Exchange is a broad-based framework for exchanging financial data and instructions between customers and their financial institutions. It allows institutions to connect directly to their customers without requiring an intermediary.

Graphics at this point are excellent. go read them. Shows examples of the above "customers" and "institutions" including every category of business to business transaction. *** Not just home banking ***. –Todd) Open Financial Exchange is an open specification that anyone can implement: any financial institution, transaction processor, software developer, or other party. It uses widely accepted open standards for data formatting (such as SGML), connectivity (such as TCP/IP and HTTP), and security (such as SSL). Open Financial Exchange defines the request and response messages used by each financial service as well as the common framework and infrastructure to support the communication of those messages. This specification does not describe any specific product implementation.

Note that OFX is not XML at this point.  There has been a rather looonnnngg pause since the end of competition on the standards in August 1998.  Note that the "Standard" is published on the Intuit home page.. Hmmmmmmm. Todd out.

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All, Any good parsers available to parse OFX messages?  Unfortunately, OFX is not XML, therefore we need a SGML parser (?).  Any help appreciated…. Thanks. -John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OFX is the standard for data connectivity between all manner of personal finance (Quicken/Money etc.) and banks.  It represents an explosive, compression merger of the major competing standards for internet banking standards in August 1998.  Very big news at the time. Here is the spec, it is 550Kbytes download and very informative. ftp://ftp.quicken.com/pub/corporate/ofexchange/151html.zip It starts off: Open Financial Exchange is a broad-based framework for exchanging financial data and instructions between customers and their financial institutions. It allows institutions to connect directly to their customers without requiring an intermediary. Graphics at this point are excellent. go read them. Shows examples of the above "customers" and "institutions" including every category of business to business transaction. *** Not just home banking ***. –Todd) Open Financial Exchange is an open specification that anyone can implement: any financial institution, transaction processor, software developer, or other party. It uses widely accepted open standards for data formatting (such as SGML), connectivity (such as TCP/IP and HTTP), and security (such as SSL). Open Financial Exchange defines the request and response messages used by each financial service as well as the common framework and infrastructure to support the communication of those messages. This specification does not describe any specific product implementation. Note that OFX is not XML at this point.  There has been a rather looonnnngg pause since the end of competition on the standards in August 1998.  Note that the "Standard" is published on the Intuit home page.. Hmmmmmmm. Todd out.

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