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What? Can’t remember all their names? Well, maybe next time they sail in, you’ll get more memory practice. I’m sure they remember ‘that kate
Kate, when you meet as many folks as me and Brenda, names and faces blur. You should get out more often. Will
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Blenda" tried BS-ing a *newbie*: As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group. royake ***Hello Royake…to myself being a teacher does not in the least make someone below you or any such thing. I have always figured that anyone and anything can teach. This goes far in accounting for your inabilities, Blenda. ***I have two students and they teach me constantly. You have no "students" since you do not _teach_. You are no student since you have failed to learn. *** If someone does not want what they think is "lorded over teaching"…all they have to do is say "no thanks" to me is all. You want politeness after your condescension? Okay, please ram your "ravenings" back up your bum, if you would be so kind. Howzzat? ***When someone throws back something that is given in love I am hoping that they will at least understand and appreciate the spirit in which it is given. I can’t understand the need in some to spew insult however. You know, it does seem as if you cannot truly understand the reaction to the way you present yourself. Consider the huge blindspot which that self-delusion of yours creates. Now, consider it again. ::Spring arrives:: And again. ::now it’s Summer:: And yet again. *** I don’t feel that you can be talked down to unless you really feel yourself as below someone. Which explains your martyrdom and inferiority complexes. Wow, I coulda been a shrink! *** Since I don’t think I am better than anyone else…it is their own way of understanding that makes them feel I am talking down to them I would reckon. Blenda, the way you post comes off as "superior". You are correct in that _You_ are not superior. Now, the way I post to you comes off as superior due to my not being as dense as you. See the distinction? *** To myself, everyone is on a road to enlightenment….some are there ahead of others in some departments..but below in others that does not make anyone better or lesser….it just *is* I have yet to see any post of yours which shows any "department" in which you are ahead of … anyone … on any path. Maybe you mean behind you at the cash register in the department store? *** (my opinion obviously and I don’t ask anyone to agree..just hear me out hopefully). Anyway….I have blathered on enough in this post. Every post you make removes any residual doubts about you, Blenda. Keep posting while the fog closes in. Hey, I replied to your post. Got the guts to respond? Nope – didn’t think so. [I'm fargin' psychic!] Trevor (Steady Eye of Falcon) N. Blendings, Brenda
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"Blenda" tried BS-ing a *newbie*: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group. royake ***Hello Royake…to myself being a teacher does not in the least make someone below you or any such thing. I have always figured that anyone and anything can teach.
This goes far in accounting for your inabilities, Blenda. ***I have two students and they teach me constantly.
You have no "students" since you do not _teach_. You are no student since you have failed to learn. *** If someone does not want what they think is "lorded over teaching"…all they have to do is say "no thanks" to me is all.
You want politeness after your condescension? Okay, please ram your "ravenings" back up your bum, if you would be so kind. Howzzat? ***When someone throws back something that is given in love I am hoping that they will at least understand and appreciate the spirit in which it is given. I can’t understand the need in some to spew insult however.
You know, it does seem as if you cannot truly understand the reaction to the way you present yourself. Consider the huge blindspot which that self-delusion of yours creates. Now, consider it again. ::Spring arrives:: And again. ::now it’s Summer:: And yet again. *** I don’t feel that you can be talked down to unless you really feel yourself as below someone.
Which explains your martyrdom and inferiority complexes. Wow, I coulda been a shrink! *** Since I don’t think I am better than anyone else…it is their own way of understanding that makes them feel I am talking down to them I would reckon.
Blenda, the way you post comes off as "superior". You are correct in that _You_ are not superior. Now, the way I post to you comes off as superior due to my not being as dense as you. See the distinction? *** To myself, everyone is on a road to enlightenment….some are there ahead of others in some departments..but below in others that does not make anyone better or lesser….it just *is*
I have yet to see any post of yours which shows any "department" in which you are ahead of … anyone … on any path. Maybe you mean behind you at the cash register in the department store? *** (my opinion obviously and I don’t ask anyone to agree..just hear me out hopefully). Anyway….I have blathered on enough in this post.
Every post you make removes any residual doubts about you, Blenda. Keep posting while the fog closes in. Hey, I replied to your post. Got the guts to respond? Nope – didn’t think so. [I'm fargin' psychic!] Trevor (Steady Eye of Falcon) N. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Blendings, Brenda
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: ***hmmm Brian…okay I may know him. I know a few military witches here. That one sounds familiar but not sure. Thanks hon. Brenda I was surprised when I entered the scene of public poetry readings in 1995 how many really good poets came out of the USArmy… and likewise Warlocks, Witches and various other Occulists. From the moments I spoke with him he was very enthusiastic, a nice guy. I have to conclude that they grow ‘em good up your way, you being the sweetest Witch of all, and this dude… a lot like I would imagine you in real life. Oh! Canada! Will [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
***awwwwww! I am just curious as to the fact that he remembers me…and with my mundame name too! I usually go by my pagan name to other pagans here in RL. Yes judging by my brothers we do grow’em good here in Canada! ..but remember many of my ancestors hail from the South! 
Brenda
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Well, ya gonna find your own path or continue to follow the Trolls? Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Blenda" tried BS-ing a *newbie*: As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group. royake ***Hello Royake…to myself being a teacher does not in the least make someone below you or any such thing. I have always figured that anyone and anything can teach. This goes far in accounting for your inabilities, Blenda. ***I have two students and they teach me constantly. You have no "students" since you do not _teach_. You are no student since you have failed to learn. *** If someone does not want what they think is "lorded over teaching"…all they have to do is say "no thanks" to me is all. You want politeness after your condescension? Okay, please ram your "ravenings" back up your bum, if you would be so kind. Howzzat? ***When someone throws back something that is given in love I am hoping that they will at least understand and appreciate the spirit in which it is given. I can’t understand the need in some to spew insult however. You know, it does seem as if you cannot truly understand the reaction to the way you present yourself. Consider the huge blindspot which that self-delusion of yours creates. Now, consider it again. ::Spring arrives:: And again. ::now it’s Summer:: And yet again. *** I don’t feel that you can be talked down to unless you really feel yourself as below someone. Which explains your martyrdom and inferiority complexes. Wow, I coulda been a shrink! *** Since I don’t think I am better than anyone else…it is their own way of understanding that makes them feel I am talking down to them I would reckon. Blenda, the way you post comes off as "superior". You are correct in that _You_ are not superior. Now, the way I post to you comes off as superior due to my not being as dense as you. See the distinction? *** To myself, everyone is on a road to enlightenment….some are there ahead of others in some departments..but below in others that does not make anyone better or lesser….it just *is* I have yet to see any post of yours which shows any "department" in which you are ahead of … anyone … on any path. Maybe you mean behind you at the cash register in the department store? *** (my opinion obviously and I don’t ask anyone to agree..just hear me out hopefully). Anyway….I have blathered on enough in this post. Every post you make removes any residual doubts about you, Blenda. Keep posting while the fog closes in. Hey, I replied to your post. Got the guts to respond? Nope – didn’t think so. [I'm fargin' psychic!] Trevor (Steady Eye of Falcon) N. Blendings, Brenda
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***hmmm Brian…okay I may know him. I know a few military witches here. That one sounds familiar but not sure. Thanks hon. Brenda
I was surprised when I entered the scene of public poetry readings in 1995 how many really good poets came out of the USArmy… and likewise Warlocks, Witches and various other Occulists. From the moments I spoke with him he was very enthusiastic, a nice guy. I have to conclude that they grow ‘em good up your way, you being the sweetest Witch of all, and this dude… a lot like I would imagine you in real life. Oh! Canada! Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: Apparently the USA & Canada have some deal in the upcoming war… I haven’t looked at the news in probably 3 months, so I dunno… but he’s here in a military capacity, they train folks here at the School of the Americas so that may relate… hopefully I’ll see the guy tommorow, at the same place… he wanted to hear some songs that we usually don’t do… some covers, Neal Young and like that… we mostly do original stuff. He seemed cool, dark hair and small glasses, named Brian… didn’t get much conversation besides the kinda short "I’m from Victoria!" "Hey, know a Brenda?" "Beautiful redhead?" "Yeah!" and then on to other agendas for us both… he to wrestle with his barracks buddies, and me to attempt a few more songs. Will [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis ***hmmm Brian…okay I may know him. I know a few military witches here. That one sounds familiar but not sure. Thanks hon.
What? Can’t remember all their names? Well, maybe next time they sail in, you’ll get more memory practice. I’m sure they remember ‘that kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda — "There is no religion higher than truth." Theosophical Society. ___|___ Tori Ollie ___|___ | (_) | | (^) (^) | | (_) |
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: Apparently the USA & Canada have some deal in the upcoming war… I haven’t looked at the news in probably 3 months, so I dunno… but he’s here in a military capacity, they train folks here at the School of the Americas so that may relate… hopefully I’ll see the guy tommorow, at the same place… he wanted to hear some songs that we usually don’t do… some covers, Neal Young and like that… we mostly do original stuff. He seemed cool, dark hair and small glasses, named Brian… didn’t get much conversation besides the kinda short "I’m from Victoria!" "Hey, know a Brenda?" "Beautiful redhead?" "Yeah!" and then on to other agendas for us both… he to wrestle with his barracks buddies, and me to attempt a few more songs. Will [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
***hmmm Brian…okay I may know him. I know a few military witches here. That one sounds familiar but not sure. Thanks hon. Brenda — "There is no religion higher than truth." Theosophical Society. ___|___ Tori Ollie ___|___ | (_) | | (^) (^) | | (_) |
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Apparently the USA & Canada have some deal in the upcoming war… I haven’t looked at the news in probably 3 months, so I dunno… but he’s here in a military capacity, they train folks here at the School of the Americas so that may relate… hopefully I’ll see the guy tommorow, at the same place… he wanted to hear some songs that we usually don’t do… some covers, Neal Young and like that… we mostly do original stuff. He seemed cool, dark hair and small glasses, named Brian… didn’t get much conversation besides the kinda short "I’m from Victoria!" "Hey, know a Brenda?" "Beautiful redhead?" "Yeah!" and then on to other agendas for us both… he to wrestle with his barracks buddies, and me to attempt a few more songs. Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] "Phoenix" Organization: Road Runner – NC Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: [8] http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: victoria.tc.ca… Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: [8] [10] http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) ***snip Yep! **btw*** I met a guiy at my gig last night that I suspect knows you… from Victoria. I said: beautiful redhead? He said "Yep!" ***wink*** Will [9] [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alevgleasonpublication ***hmmmm now I’m curious.. Brenda heheheheheee.. me too! Was he wearing dark glasses and waving a white cane? Sorry, Brenda, I just couldn’t resist that one.. P
***He may have been. I was’nt there. I think I am okay looking..but it is up to each and every one of us however. Brenda
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – victoria.tc.ca… Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: [8] http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) ***snip Yep! **btw*** I met a guiy at my gig last night that I suspect knows you… from Victoria. I said: beautiful redhead? He said "Yep!" ***wink*** Will [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alevgleasonpublication ***hmmmm now I’m curious.. Brenda
heheheheheee.. me too! Was he wearing dark glasses and waving a white cane? Sorry, Brenda, I just couldn’t resist that one.. P
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 50030227 VII Merry Meet Joe, Kate! …at times there seems to be a clear chance to help somebody else who is walking the same path, and there can be a genuine expectation that the teaching role can be helpful. indeed, consensually-engaged, it can be conducive to personal growth. If you find a genuine teacher, yes, or someone who can travel along the same ‘path’ as you and learn ‘with’ you. And be open to the teaching/learning. do you think the differential can be marked? a guru/chela master/devotee type thing? I noticed a great deal of resistance to such devotional differentials in the Wiccan and greater Neopagan (as compared with, say, the Santerian or Vaisnavite) groups. I can’t say I was very drawn to it most of my life myself, though I can find it with Kali directly rather than human beings. She’s very easy with me, though, so I suspect this may be a similar experience with other Neopagans.
I’ve never considered my *real* teachers to be gurus and such. No such adolation was required. I also find a lot of my teachings through the darker goddesses. If I did find a teacher that was willing to teach me something I was intensely curious about, I don’t think I’d mind playing the ‘devotee’ for awhile. Most of my best teachers have been on a level with me, knowing somethng different. Varied paths, varied interests. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am leery of the teacher role though. I think if somebody is in a position to teach, as opposed to mutually searching, then the value of what they say will stand out. If it doesn’t, then maybe what seemed like an opportunity to help somebody less advanced was not what it appeared. True teachers do stand out. Many times very quietly, other times it’s very obvious. There’s no end of variety afa real teachers are concerned, which is all to the good. And if it does, there is no reason for friction. usenet put-on teachers can be problematic, though — the kind what are requiring didactic relations from the get-go, perhaps to appease their monumental egos. I’ve run into one of these in person within apparent yogic trads in which the master (a woman) didn’t inform me that our relation was to be this differentiated. it was a surprise to be greeted on the phone by her attendant, as I was preparing to travel to their location, and informed that I should bring a gift for the Interview With the Master. I have to admit I was somewhat irreverent and she didn’t like it. having felt deceived, though, I was as respectful as I felt that I could be. I just had to ask why the master sat on cushions. ;
Usenet *teacher* tend to be mostly frauds IMO and experience, unless they’re friends of mine. They don’t charge or sit on cushions to impress anyone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – occasionally when in ritual, possessed individuals in Neopagan or trans-Neopagan trads have demanded a kind of obeisance or dutiful respect. when I knew this was to be part of the routine it was a relation that I accepted going in. when it was foisted upon me unexpectedly I sometimes challenged the ‘gods’ and stood my ground. much to my amusement, sometimes I was told by those training ritualees not to let the gods get away with too much. ; there was a half-suspicion in some cases that the possessed were not truly so, and that they used their position in rite to work out interpersonal disputes to their advantage under the guise of a deity. not seeing their investiture as truly different than my own (I often felt completely enthused by Siva during many of these rites), I didn’t need that advice to get along in rituals, but the dynamics that I did witness were at times quite heated. There are other teachers here (yes, right here in ARW). Look for them, not just flame fests. *sigh* I’d got that impression, yes. : thanks for confirming it.
You’re welcome, but I do wish you’d see for yourself. kate blessed be!
I liked ‘Blessed Beast much better, fits you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lorax666
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You forgot to include yourself on that vapid little list, sham – man. So I added you and yer whore. Yer welcome, shitsucker.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 50030227 VII Merry Meet Joe, Kate! …at times there seems to be a clear chance to help somebody else who is walking the same path, and there can be a genuine expectation that the teaching role can be helpful. indeed, consensually-engaged, it can be conducive to personal growth. If you find a genuine teacher, yes, or someone who can travel along the same ‘path’ as you and learn ‘with’ you. And be open to the teaching/learning. do you think the differential can be marked? a guru/chela master/devotee type thing? I noticed a great deal of resistance to such devotional differentials in the Wiccan and greater Neopagan (as compared with, say, the Santerian or Vaisnavite) groups. I can’t say I was very drawn to it most of my life myself, though I can find it with Kali directly rather than human beings. She’s very easy with me, though, so I suspect this may be a similar experience with other Neopagans. I am leery of the teacher role though. I think if somebody is in a position to teach, as opposed to mutually searching, then the value of what they say will stand out. If it doesn’t, then maybe what seemed like an opportunity to help somebody less advanced was not what it appeared. True teachers do stand out. Many times very quietly, other times it’s very obvious. There’s no end of variety afa real teachers are concerned, which is all to the good. And if it does, there is no reason for friction. usenet put-on teachers can be problematic, though — the kind what are requiring didactic relations from the get-go, perhaps to appease their monumental egos. I’ve run into one of these in person within apparent yogic trads in which the master (a woman) didn’t inform me that our relation was to be this differentiated. it was a surprise to be greeted on the phone by her attendant, as I was preparing to travel to their location, and informed that I should bring a gift for the Interview With the Master. I have to admit I was somewhat irreverent and she didn’t like it. having felt deceived, though, I was as respectful as I felt that I could be. I just had to ask why the master sat on cushions. ; occasionally when in ritual, possessed individuals in Neopagan or trans-Neopagan trads have demanded a kind of obeisance or dutiful respect. when I knew this was to be part of the routine it was a relation that I accepted going in. when it was foisted upon me unexpectedly I sometimes challenged the ‘gods’ and stood my ground. much to my amusement, sometimes I was told by those training ritualees not to let the gods get away with too much. ; there was a half-suspicion in some cases that the possessed were not truly so, and that they used their position in rite to work out interpersonal disputes to their advantage under the guise of a deity. not seeing their investiture as truly different than my own (I often felt completely enthused by Siva during many of these rites), I didn’t need that advice to get along in rituals, but the dynamics that I did witness were at times quite heated. There are other teachers here (yes, right here in ARW). Look for them, not just flame fests. *sigh* I’d got that impression, yes. : thanks for confirming it. blessed be! lorax666
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50030227 VII Merry Meet Joe, Kate! …at times there seems to be a clear chance to help somebody else who is walking the same path, and there can be a genuine expectation that the teaching role can be helpful.
indeed, consensually-engaged, it can be conducive to personal growth. If you find a genuine teacher, yes, or someone who can travel along the same ‘path’ as you and learn ‘with’ you. And be open to the teaching/learning.
do you think the differential can be marked? a guru/chela master/devotee type thing? I noticed a great deal of resistance to such devotional differentials in the Wiccan and greater Neopagan (as compared with, say, the Santerian or Vaisnavite) groups. I can’t say I was very drawn to it most of my life myself, though I can find it with Kali directly rather than human beings. She’s very easy with me, though, so I suspect this may be a similar experience with other Neopagans. I am leery of the teacher role though. I think if somebody is in a position to teach, as opposed to mutually searching, then the value of what they say will stand out. If it doesn’t, then maybe what seemed like an opportunity to help somebody less advanced was not what it appeared. True teachers do stand out. Many times very quietly, other times it’s very obvious. There’s no end of variety afa real teachers are concerned, which is all to the good. And if it does, there is no reason for friction.
usenet put-on teachers can be problematic, though — the kind what are requiring didactic relations from the get-go, perhaps to appease their monumental egos. I’ve run into one of these in person within apparent yogic trads in which the master (a woman) didn’t inform me that our relation was to be this differentiated. it was a surprise to be greeted on the phone by her attendant, as I was preparing to travel to their location, and informed that I should bring a gift for the Interview With the Master. I have to admit I was somewhat irreverent and she didn’t like it. having felt deceived, though, I was as respectful as I felt that I could be. I just had to ask why the master sat on cushions. ; occasionally when in ritual, possessed individuals in Neopagan or trans-Neopagan trads have demanded a kind of obeisance or dutiful respect. when I knew this was to be part of the routine it was a relation that I accepted going in. when it was foisted upon me unexpectedly I sometimes challenged the ‘gods’ and stood my ground. much to my amusement, sometimes I was told by those training ritualees not to let the gods get away with too much. ; there was a half-suspicion in some cases that the possessed were not truly so, and that they used their position in rite to work out interpersonal disputes to their advantage under the guise of a deity. not seeing their investiture as truly different than my own (I often felt completely enthused by Siva during many of these rites), I didn’t need that advice to get along in rituals, but the dynamics that I did witness were at times quite heated. There are other teachers here (yes, right here in ARW). Look for them, not just flame fests. *sigh*
I’d got that impression, yes. : thanks for confirming it. blessed be! lorax666
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
Oh, cool. Than we could be sure newbies are adequately warned about how bad your poetry is. — theoneflasehaddock Offender of the Faith. A reel Troll. Merry Plonk. Don’t like my postings? post and whine about it. EYE PLAY WIF PHISHEZZ LYKE SACQUE J00STEAU!
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and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs",
As long as I maintain the a.p FAQ no poster name will be listed, because of thier posts or posts about them. It certainly is posible that a regular poster might be named in the FAQ as being a resource or contributor to the FAQ (former posters certainly are named as contributors and prehaps a few still lurk). — Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** Will
***makes sense. Brenda
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** Will ***makes sense. Brenda
Yep! **btw*** I met a guiy at my gig last night that I suspect knows you… from Victoria. I said: beautiful redhead? He said "Yep!" ***wink*** Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alevgleasonpublication
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: victoria.tc.ca… Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] Will Dockery Organization: [8] http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s)
***snip Yep! **btw*** I met a guiy at my gig last night that I suspect knows you… from Victoria. I said: beautiful redhead? He said "Yep!" ***wink*** Will [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alevgleasonpublication
***hmmmm now I’m curious.. Brenda
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink***
As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group. royake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Brenda: being on the list. Reply to: [1] "Royake the Dark" Organization: RoadRunner – Tampa Bay Newsgroups: [2] alt.religion.wicca, [3] alt.pagan, [4] alt.magick Followup to: [5] newsgroup(s) References: "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group. royake Will [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
***Hello Royake…to myself being a teacher does not in the least make someone below you or any such thing. I have always figured that anyone and anything can teach. I have two students and they teach me constantly. If someone does not want what they think is "lorded over teaching"…all they have to do is say "no thanks" to me is all. When someone throws back something that is given in love I am hoping that they will at least understand and appreciate the spirit in which it is given. I can’t understand the need in some to spew insult however. I don’t feel that you can be talked down to unless you really feel yourself as below someone. Since I don’t think I am better than anyone else…it is their own way of understanding that makes them feel I am talking down to them I would reckon. To myself, everyone is on a road to enlightenment….some are there ahead of others in some departments..but below in others that does not make anyone better or lesser….it just *is* (my opinion obviously and I don’t ask anyone to agree..just hear me out hopefully). Anyway….I have blathered on enough in this post. Blessings Brenda
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As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude).
As is only right. Welcome to the fray BTW 
my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd.
No one expects anyone to ‘join in’ with any In Crowd, fer gawds sakes. We all have our own reasons for this. Look, read, listen, come to your own conclusions like the others have. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group.
So, you agree there can definitely be ‘personality’ and ‘tone’ in a posters words? Aye, I tend to agree with you there. When you find a teacher, the teacher finds you. That’s an interesting point. I don’t know Brenda and don’t mean to agree or disagree with your particular characterization of her (I am not ‘in’ this newsgroup … one isn’t really ‘in’ a newsgroup, posts to a group will sometimes go to multiple groups) but there are times in a newsgroup that somebody will, sometimes arrogantly, take on the role of ‘teacher’. Often this is really offensive and presumptious, or worse, while formally a ‘teaching’ kind of relationship, the presumed ‘teacher’ is really presenting their own opinions as being inherently superior, so it’s really not a teaching relationship at all, but just another usenet soapbox.
By George, I think you’ve Got it Joe! Her arrogance and condescension isn’t the sign of a *teacher*. She uses the medium merely as a soapbox for herself and her egotism. Thanks for pointing this out. And yet, as Brenda pointed out in what seemed a very insightful reply to this post, at times there seems to be a clear chance to help somebody else who is walking the same path, and there can be a genuine expectation that the teaching role can be helpful.
If you find a genuine teacher, yes, or someone who can travel along the same ‘path’ as you and learn ‘with’ you. And be open to the teaching/learning. Certainly at times it can be hard to tell the difference.
Very true. I am leery of the teacher role though. I think if somebody is in a position to teach, as opposed to mutually searching, then the value of what they say will stand out. If it doesn’t, then maybe what seemed like an opportunity to help somebody less advanced was not what it appeared.
True teachers do stand out. Many times very quietly, other times it’s very obvious. There’s no end of variety afa real teachers are concerned, which is all to the good. And if it does, there is no reason for friction.
In Brenda’s case, there’s cause for friction. She’s a troll looking for attention. Search alt.native, starting around Nov. 8th for Brenda G. Kent, right up to the present on AP and ARW to get some background. That’s if you want to do your own work, and not just ask for proof that draws more flames than it’s really worth. I would suggest cat do that also, since she seems to think Brenda’s being flamed for no reason. And may I ask you to read Whole threads, not just Brenda’s replies or the replies to her? There are other teachers here (yes, right here in ARW). Look for them, not just flame fests. *sigh* kate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Joe Cosby http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com More evil means more Christ. – Zosodada
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As a newbie, i would just like to make a point. i’ve been lurking here for quite a while to learn the ins and outs of this ng. that included seeing what kind of discussion is the norm here and THE PEOPLE who post. my opinions of the regular posters here are based soley on what that particular person posts, (content, personality and attitude). my opinion of brenda is my own and i will not start flaming her just to join the IN crowd. you can see my response to her in my greeting post for proof. however, if she or anyone starts talking down to me or trying to take up a post as "TEACHER" over me, then i feel justified in responding in kind. the only one who can show others what a person is really like is the person themself. and it is totally reflected in their writings to the group.
That’s an interesting point. I don’t know Brenda and don’t mean to agree or disagree with your particular characterization of her (I am not ‘in’ this newsgroup … one isn’t really ‘in’ a newsgroup, posts to a group will sometimes go to multiple groups) but there are times in a newsgroup that somebody will, sometimes arrogantly, take on the role of ‘teacher’. Often this is really offensive and presumptious, or worse, while formally a ‘teaching’ kind of relationship, the presumed ‘teacher’ is really presenting their own opinions as being inherently superior, so it’s really not a teaching relationship at all, but just another usenet soapbox. And yet, as Brenda pointed out in what seemed a very insightful reply to this post, at times there seems to be a clear chance to help somebody else who is walking the same path, and there can be a genuine expectation that the teaching role can be helpful. Certainly at times it can be hard to tell the difference. I am leery fo the teacher role though. I think if somebody is in a position to teach, as opposed to mutually searching, then the value of what they say will stand out. If it doesn’t, then maybe what seemed like an opportunity to help somebody less advanced was not what it appeared. And if it does, there is no reason for friction. — Joe Cosby http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com More evil means more Christ. – Zosodada
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis Oh, cool. Than we could be sure newbies are adequately warned about how bad your poetry is.
I think they can figure that out without any help from you! They’re welcome to check it out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ironywaves
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…This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch.
that *is* the idea behind it, yes. : blessed be! lorax666
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"I don’t mind my name being on the list much…however being that I am not a troll it seems misrepresentative to have my name on that list. Perhaps if you had a non-troll list it would apply." Blessings Brenda Brenda, being on the list in some ways is good, since you’re listed as the most viciously attacked by these scoundrells. As this list becomes more well know, and I’ve a hunch Usenet posters wil —or should— go there by the millions, and in fact it should be a part of "alt.pagan FAQs", Brenda Kent will more easily be recognisable as the object of uncalled for persecution when "newbies" join the ngs. This list might steer many people away from being caught in the sway of this bunch. ***imo*** ***wink*** Will http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_ofisis
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Hi, I’m concerned about the narrowm view of the world ‘hard’ science students have these days. I think the problem starts at college – There’s a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it. Let’s tell it like it is. ’science’ is just as much about opinion as the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why, what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I degress… Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed that Valves for instance sound great. But knowitall engineers use trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks. They argue with numbers. Hey, I don’t want to do maths just to listen to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all mightier–then-thou. The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist. Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes me so mad when people say "oh, he’s doing a humanities degree, that’s easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" , I’m going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I’ll be line for tenure where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great things were done by humanities. You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life. Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
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A bunch of stuff that was about 95% opinion, 5% fact. (snip) Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
Try your own advice… Tom
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<Spleen venting sniperoo As a woodworker or woodturner, one ends up drawing on art, design, proportion, visual weight and textures, simple mathmatics to geometry and algebra, some grasp of physics, chemistry, metallurgy, mechanical engineering and I’m sure other topics I’m overlooking. My point being that the "creative arts" require a well rounded education – to shun the sciences will have the effect of hindering the growth and problem solving skills of the artist. — Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company Offering a shim for the Porter-Cable 557 type 2 fence design. <http://www.flybynightcoppercompany.com <http://www.easystreet.com/~onlnlowe/index.html
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Thank goodness for the "improved grammer and spelling skills" of this person. The world is now a safer place… I didn’t know bitterness was now part of the liberal arts degree program.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m concerned about the narrowm view of the world ‘hard’ science students have these days. I think the problem starts at college – There’s a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it. Let’s tell it like it is. ’science’ is just as much about opinion as the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why, what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I degress… Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed that Valves for instance sound great. But knowitall engineers use trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks. They argue with numbers. Hey, I don’t want to do maths just to listen to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all mightier–then-thou. The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist. Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes me so mad when people say "oh, he’s doing a humanities degree, that’s easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" , I’m going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I’ll be line for tenure where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great things were done by humanities. You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life. Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
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Where the hell did that come from?????
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m concerned about the narrowm view of the world ‘hard’ science students have these days. I think the problem starts at college – There’s a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it. Let’s tell it like it is. ’science’ is just as much about opinion as the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why, what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I degress… Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed that Valves for instance sound great. But knowitall engineers use trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks. They argue with numbers. Hey, I don’t want to do maths just to listen to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all mightier–then-thou. The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist. Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes me so mad when people say "oh, he’s doing a humanities degree, that’s easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" , I’m going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I’ll be line for tenure where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great things were done by humanities. You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life. Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
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the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be?
Nice job with that improved grammar and spelling of yours. Dan
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If this is typical of today’s college student, I weep for the future. B.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m concerned about the narrowm view of the world ‘hard’ science students have these days. I think the problem starts at college – There’s a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it. Let’s tell it like it is. ’science’ is just as much about opinion as the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why, what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I degress… Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed that Valves for instance sound great. But knowitall engineers use trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks. They argue with numbers. Hey, I don’t want to do maths just to listen to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all mightier–then-thou. The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist. Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes me so mad when people say "oh, he’s doing a humanities degree, that’s easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" , I’m going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I’ll be line for tenure where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great things were done by humanities. You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life. Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
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Ha Ha! Good one! — Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
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Hi,
[snip of whiny drivel] improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the technical.
In your post, I counted: – four errors in grammar – nine errors in punctuation – thirty-four errors in spelling or capitalization My undergraduate and graduate degrees are in computer science. Regards, Doug Miller — Real email address is alphageek /at/ milmac /dot/ com .. Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun.
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Ah, starting the day with some rash overgeneralization? I presume something led to this? JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m concerned about the narrowm view of the world ‘hard’ science students have these days. I think the problem starts at college – There’s a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages eliteism, and I for one am sick of it. <some snippage You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should learn to enjoy life. Relax, and make peace with god. He transcends all.
– James T. Kirby http://chinacat.coastal.udel.edu/~kirby
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You sir are a troll and I claim my
