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Hurray! I just checked amazon.com and they shipped my copy of A Stitch in Time today! That gives me two new books this week – the other being Harry Potter, of course….so much for getting any stitching done. Lyanne — WIP: L&L – Angel of the Sea, TW – Mermaid, Celtic Bird glasses case, Lizzie Kate – Cherish All Living Things, Just Nan – All Aboard, and a really nasty UFO

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I’m still waiting on my Harry Potter.  Grrrr……Oh, well.  Just like everyone else, I have a stack of reading to go along with my stack of stitching.  Maybe I have more hobbies than I thought. Isabel

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hurray! I just checked amazon.com and they shipped my copy of A Stitch in Time today! That gives me two new books this week – the other being Harry Potter, of course….so much for getting any stitching done. Lyanne — WIP: L&L – Angel of the Sea, TW – Mermaid, Celtic Bird glasses case, Lizzie Kate – Cherish All Living Things, Just Nan – All Aboard, and a really nasty UFO

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I stopped at the bookstore on the way home from work Monday and bought my copy! Tama – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May I take a little space here to remind those of you who know about Betsy that the third novel, A Stitch in Time, should be in the stores by Monday.  I actually received a report that it is in at least one bookstore now.  I’d've been boring you all to tears about it, but I’ve been a little busy.  If any of you happen to come across a copy, and read it, let me know what you think, okay? Mary Monica aka Moncia Ferris

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   I love the summer when all the new books come out!! <G Nina said… Yes, but — they all come out at the SAME TIME!!!!  I’m reading Elizabeth Peters’ latest Amelia Peabody mystery, and Spider Robinson’s Callahan book tantalizes me every time I pass it.  Or should I read Rita Mae Brown’s Mrs. Murphy mystery?  Or Mary Monica’s?  Or one of the two Annes — McCaffrey and George — that aren’t new, but new to me?  And Harry Potter IV will be here any day!  It’s more than I can stand!

Whoa…new callahan book? Hold up! I missed that….what new Callahan book? And to think I thought I’d be stitching tonight…. Kali on her way to Amazon to see..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I love the summer when all the new books come out!! <G Nina said… <snip Spider Robinson’s Callahan book tantalizes me every time I pass it… Whoa…new callahan book? Hold up! I missed that….what new Callahan book? And to think I thought I’d be stitching tonight…. Kali on her way to Amazon to see..

Oh good, now someone else will be facing the Impossible Choice with me! Stitch or read, stitch or read, stitch or read…. One can learn a lot hanging around in alt.callahans; we’ve known about Callahan’s Key for a looooong time.  Come on over and I’ll buy your first BOYC! Nina — Professional proofreading doesn’t cost – it pays!

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Mary Monica,    I’m dancing all over the place here!!  New books!  New books!!    I love the summer when all the new books come out!! <G Deborah Pesa – New York http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1646 WIP: Flora-StitchWorld, A Midsummer Night’s Fairy – Mirabilia, Chickadee – Crossed Wings Dogs’ lives are too short.  Their only fault, really.  - Agnes Sligh Turnbull

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   I love the summer when all the new books come out!! <G

Yes, but — they all come out at the SAME TIME!!!!  I’m reading Elizabeth Peters’ latest Amelia Peabody mystery, and Spider Robinson’s Callahan book tantalizes me every time I pass it.  Or should I read Rita Mae Brown’s Mrs. Murphy mystery?  Or Mary Monica’s?  Or one of the two Annes — McCaffrey and George — that aren’t new, but new to me?  And Harry Potter IV will be here any day!  It’s more than I can stand! Nina, trying to play eenie-meenie-miney-moe Finished in July: Peaceful Sea, Amaryllis Artworks WIPS: The Lord is my Shepherd, Just CrossStitch; Random Thoughts, Drawn Thread; A Cat with Heart, glasses/cel phone case [purse project] UFOs: too many to list… <sigh — Professional proofreading doesn’t cost – it pays!

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Yes, but — they all come out at the SAME TIME!!!!  I’m reading Elizabeth Peters’ latest Amelia Peabody mystery, and Spider Robinson’s Callahan book tantalizes me every time I pass it.  Or should I read Rita Mae Brown’s Mrs. Murphy mystery?  Or Mary Monica’s?  Or one of the two Annes — McCaffrey and George — that aren’t new, but new to me?  And Harry Potter IV will be here any day!  It’s more than I can stand! Nina, trying to play

Yes, and I just finished the new Janet Evanovich book, Hot Six.  I drool over the new Susan Conant book (which I will wait for in paperback)  I bought two JS Borthwick mysteries yesterday which I didn’t have, yet.  My waiting to be read pile is about a mile high and I’m still buying more books!  And everytime I go to the library I find another author that I have to read.   Now I need to win the lottery so I can quit work and spend all day reading or stitching – maybe I’ll get something finished then<G Deborah Pesa – New York http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1646 WIP: Flora-StitchWorld, A Midsummer Night’s Fairy – Mirabilia, Chickadee – Crossed Wings Dogs’ lives are too short.  Their only fault, really.  - Agnes Sligh Turnbull

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I’m reading Elizabeth Peters’ latest Amelia Peabody mystery, snip Nina,

If you haven’t finished this one yet, make sure to allow yourself to read the last 100 pages or so in one fell swoop.  You won’t want to put it down! The one before this one left me kind of unsatisfied, but this last one definitely makes up for every unfulfilled moment of the one before. ))) Also, anyone who wants to read the series and really enjoy it, should NOT read this one first. ))  I’m hoping the library will eventually get them all on tape (with Barbara Rosenblatt reading, of course <lol) and I can start at the beginning again and "read" the whole series while I stitch. ))))) Liz from Humbug

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I’m reading Elizabeth Peters’ latest Amelia Peabody mystery, snip Nina, If you haven’t finished this one yet, make sure to allow yourself to read the last 100 pages or so in one fell swoop.  You won’t want to put it down! The one before this one left me kind of unsatisfied, but this last one definitely makes up for every unfulfilled moment of the one before. )))

Thank you, Liz!  I’ll make a note of that.  And did I miss a book somehow?  I don’t recall "hearing" the events involving Ramses and Nefret that he recounts (the ones nobody else knows).  This one is excellent so far!  She’s a fantastic writer under any name; I have two of her "serious" Egyptology books (autographed) and they’re just as fascinating.  Such talent! Also, anyone who wants to read the series and really enjoy it, should NOT read this one first. ))  I’m hoping the library will eventually get them all on tape (with Barbara Rosenblatt reading, of course <lol) and I can start at the beginning again and "read" the whole series while I stitch. )))))

Nonono, new readers MUST start from the beginning and read Amelia in order!  I didn’t realize *any* of them were on tape … now I know what I want for Christmas!  Last year I got all of the Levenger "For the Reader" CDs, and three GCs to LNSes.  It was a very good year!!!! Thank you again, Liz!  May your floss never knot! Nina — Professional proofreading doesn’t cost – it pays!

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I put Raveled Sleeve, the fourth Betsy Devonshire mystery, into the mail this morning,

Yippee!! May I take a little space here to remind those of you who know about Betsy that the third novel, A Stitch in Time, should be in the stores by Monday.

Yup. A couple of weeks ago, I reserved a copy at Barnes & Noble. They called on the Fourth saying it was in. When I picked it up Thursday, I saw that they’ve given you the prime spot at the display in front of the cash registers, to tempt everyone who’s standing in line. Kathy K — X/USA/S/-/-/-/27B/Monolog in Blue, various little things/X,Bw,D,P/E,L/D,S,Od/:-P~ /S/M+/B/b/R-/S/K-/E+/L/G-/Wo/Sam Elliott/David Weber/pizza

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Mary, Okay…..I’m new to this newsgroup….I am just getting back into cross stitching (left it for a few years while I returned to college to get my accounting degree) and I am an avid reader. So, after reading this ‘thread’ and realized that people were saying the books were very good, I checked out your books on amazon.com and placed an order for all three…… Hope all is well…..good luck with the 4th book….. Carol

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About all I’ve been able to do lately is go to rctn only to dump everything that’s arrived because I didn’t have time to read it all. But now I can start reading again.  Because I put Raveled Sleeve, the fourth Betsy Devonshire mystery, into the mail this morning, and it will take my editor a few weeks to read and notate the manuscript: Hurrah, rah, rah!  A big THANKS to all of you who answered questions and gave suggestions to me in writing this most difficult novel (so far) in the series.  Some of you will discover who you are when you notice the names of the women at the stitch-in that is at the heart of Raveled Sleeve.  But it’s done at last, and only a week late getting into the mail (with my editor’s permission — she was on vacation this week, so it wasn’t holding anything up).  That last week really put a shine on the manuscript. May I take a little space here to remind those of you who know about Betsy that the third novel, A Stitch in Time, should be in the stores by Monday.  I actually received a report that it is in at least one bookstore now. I’d've been boring you all to tears about it, but I’ve been a little busy.  If any of you happen to come across a copy, and read it, let me know what you think, okay? Now I think I’d better start shoveling out the accumulated mail, notes, magazines, stitchery books, and other stuff that piled up while I was trying to get this thing out of my head and onto paper. And maybe do some serious stitching, too. Again, thanks to everyone who helped; I couldn’t have done it without you. Mary Monica aka Moncia Ferris There are three rules for writing a novel.  Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are. -Somerset Maugham

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Congrats!!! I’ve had an advance order in for your third book thru Amazon.com for the last two months.  Now I can hope to get it soon (but not until I read the next Harry Potter one <VEBG) Lil Banchik BTW, have you ever considered publishing your books in the Rocket e-book format? Mr. Cole’s Axiom:  The sum of the intelligence of the planet is a constant. The population is increasing.

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ay I take a little space here to remind those of you who know about Betsy that the third novel, A Stitch in Time, should be in the stores by Monday.

     You know we will all be waiting — not so patiently — when the bookstores open up tomorrow AM!!!  I have already told DH that we need to make a trip into town to look for this newest needlework novel )). If any of you happen to come across a copy, and read it, let me know what you think, okay?

           Uh-OH — You’ve asked for it now — LOLOL!  Do you think there’s a snowball’s chance in he** that we WON’T tell  you what we think???  Especially since you asked us for input on this one )).  If it’s anything like the last two then it is going to be GREAT!!!   OOOO I can’t wait to get to the bookstore!  I do hope it is there or I will be majorly disappointed!   CiaoMeow ^;;^<

. PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^<     Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!!   Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs! No husband was ever shot doing dishes! Visit my photo album  http://www.photopoint.com

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About all I’ve been able to do lately is go to rctn only to dump everything that’s arrived because I didn’t have time to read it all. But now I can start reading again.  Because I put Raveled Sleeve, the fourth Betsy Devonshire mystery, into the mail this morning, and it will take my editor a few weeks to read and notate the manuscript: Hurrah, rah, rah!  A big THANKS to all of you who answered questions and gave suggestions to me in writing this most difficult novel (so far) in the series.  Some of you will discover who you are when you notice the names of the women at the stitch-in that is at the heart of Raveled Sleeve.  But it’s done at last, and only a week late getting into the mail (with my editor’s permission — she was on vacation this week, so it wasn’t holding anything up).  That last week really put a shine on the manuscript. May I take a little space here to remind those of you who know about Betsy that the third novel, A Stitch in Time, should be in the stores by Monday.  I actually received a report that it is in at least one bookstore now.  I’d've been boring you all to tears about it, but I’ve been a little busy.  If any of you happen to come across a copy, and read it, let me know what you think, okay? Now I think I’d better start shoveling out the accumulated mail, notes, magazines, stitchery books, and other stuff that piled up while I was trying to get this thing out of my head and onto paper. And maybe do some serious stitching, too. Again, thanks to everyone who helped; I couldn’t have done it without you. Mary Monica aka Moncia Ferris There are three rules for writing a novel.  Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are. -Somerset Maugham

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I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take? **NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS E-MAIL** My home page is frequently updated!  http://www.nyx.net/~thill

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I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take?

I’m not sure where the delays in the interbank transfer system are.  But note that it’s *BANKING* days, not calendar days.  So Saturday and Sunday don’t count. And if you do a transfer after 3PM (when banking day closes, for accounting purposes), then nothing happens until the next banking day. FWIW, each time I’ve done a transfer from my PayPal account, the $ appeared in my bank account by the afternoon of the 3rd banking day.   That’s according to my bank’s automated phone gizmo (with tends to run 24 hours behind reality). Is your transaction listed as "completed" in your PayPal "history" area? If it is, call your bank and find out what happened. – Dan. — – South Jersey, USA, Earth  <http://users.snip.net/~darmok – Consciousness: That annoying time between naps.

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I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take?

I’ve been waiting since February 24.

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There site kept bogging down last week, and it took me a couple of days to get to the point of completing the request for a check, but once I got past that I got the check in less than a week. It was a bit strange that the online part took forever, and the part that required actual physical handling of paper went so quickly. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take? I’ve been waiting since February 24.

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I’ve only received two PayPal payments, the first took 3 days, the second 7 days. Are you waiting for my $8.90??  They charged my card in a matter of milliseconds!  (don’t forget my feedback

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Showed up on 4th day. Bill Shaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take?

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I think everybody requesting their ten buck has probably slowed the system down a bit.  I think it will get better soon.  Of course, I got my money in two days. — Regards, C.D. Damron "We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose" Support the Libertarian Party  http://www.lp.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I requested a withdrawal by direct deposit to my bank account over the weekend and it STILL hasn’t hit.  This is the same bank account that PayPal has no trouble taking money from instantaneously when I send money. Has anyone else pulled a withdrawal from PayPal?  How long does it take? **NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS E-MAIL** My home page is frequently updated!  http://www.nyx.net/~thill

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Requested a direct deposit last Tuesday evening and it showed up in my account on Friday. Steven

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I’m sounding like a broken record, but you can estimate the total costs for a well-utilized (200-hours or greater per year) airplane as 4x the fuel cost.  So the Arrow is about a $100/hour bird not including capital costs. Anything more detailed depends on a wide variety of factors such as location, time of pilot(s), condition of airplane, how much avionics it has, how it is flown, etc. Annuals (inspection only) will run around $1200.  Throw in an oil change, spark plug cleaning, wheel bearing repack, airframe lube, and the other stuff usually done with an annual and you’ll probably be close to $2K.  Add any discrepencies to this. Landing gear is very simple and about as trouble-free as any retract.  Much simpler than the Cessna systems. The Arrow is a great basic retract.  You get more utility for less maintenance in the 235-hp fixed-gears (e.g., Dakota or 182) but if you want folding wheels in a simple and relatively easy-to-maintain plane, it is pretty hard to beat the Arrow.  Virtually every mechanic has seen hundreds of Cherokees and tens of Arrows. – Mark

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I am considering the purchase of an Arrow.  Anyone have the numbers for annual, etc?  Also how much of a problem is/are the landing gear? Also, what about operating costs?         Thanks in advance         Jerry

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Have owned 1968 Arrow since 1973, with well kept records of all expenses. 2500 hours put on the Arrow over these years. Total comes to $70/hour which includes all fixed expenses, hanger, insurance, annuals, non scheduled maint., avionics maint.,and fuel. If you would like more info:

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Have owned 1968 Arrow since 1973, with well kept records of all expenses.

My club has a similar vintage Arrow.  Ours flies about 300 hours a year, and the club has had it for many years. Total comes to $70/hour which includes all fixed expenses, hanger, insurance, annuals, non scheduled maint., avionics maint.,and fuel.

You’re doing better than we are.  We come up with about $85/tach-hr, which includes something like $11/hr towards engine overhaul reserves.  That not counting fixed costs like insurance, debt service, and tiedown; the way we do our accounting makes it hard to work that into the hourly figure, but another $3-4/hr wouldn’t be an unreasonable guess for that.  If the plane were flown by just one person who did some basic work themselves (oil changes, etc) and gave it a bit more TLC than even the best intentioned 30 or so club members who fly it, your $70 figure seems plausable.

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I’m not sure what my hourly costs have been, but I can tell you that last year’s annual cost $1500 with essentially nothing wrong with the plane. This year’s annual cost $20,300, which included an overhaul by G&N to new limits (my engine had 1650 smoh and had a camshaft causing metal in the oil), copper battery cable, new ELT, battery box drain tube, new oil and fuel lines firewall foreward, landing gear AD stud replacement, prop and governor inspection and reseal, one cowl latch replacement, quick oil drain replacement, vacuum air inlet filter, air induction filter, alternater belt, the cost of the inspection and a/d compliance, and engine removal and reinstallation.  The overhaul was 13,700 (I had a 100 dollar credit because I had already installed a new starter), and the labor total was about 85 hours at 50/hour.  The remainder was parts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have owned 1968 Arrow since 1973, with well kept records of all expenses. 2500 hours put on the Arrow over these years. Total comes to $70/hour which includes all fixed expenses, hanger, insurance, annuals, non scheduled maint., avionics maint.,and fuel. If you would like more info:

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Hello. I’m a graduate student in accounting. I’m writing a paper about the international tax systems and laws,especially the comparison among U.S. , England, German, and so on. I gathered some articles, but have not many. If there is anyone who had concerning about this theme, or know about it ,please give me a letter. Everything concerned about my theme is welcomed. Thank you for your reading.

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writes: Hello. I’m a graduate student in accounting. I’m writing a paper about the international tax systems and laws,especially the comparison among U.S. , England, German, and so on. I gathered some articles, but have not many. If there is anyone who had concerning about this theme, or know about it ,please give me a letter. Everything concerned about my theme is welcomed.

This link is from Will Yancey’s Home Page: http://www.taxsites.com/international.html Philadelphia, Pa – Atlantic City, NJ – West Wildwood, NJ My Newsgroups & Boards at:   http://members.aol.com/TaxService/index.html Where Ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise!=:)

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Hello. I’m a graduate student in accounting. I’m writing a paper about the international tax systems and laws,especially the comparison among U.S. , England, German, and so on. I gathered some articles, but have not many. If there is anyone who had concerning about this theme, or know about it ,please give me a letter. Everything concerned about my theme is welcomed. Thank you for your reading.

The best general references, and by far the most readable and logically organized, are the country-by-country tax brochures by the big accounting firms. Why don’t you plan your research approach, and any checklists and questionnaires first.  Then ask the large firms if you could be allowed into their library for a specific number of hours, to review the country tax summaries or brochures. If you can wade thru all that material and complete your report within your time budget, you’ll probably get hired by the firm. You might need to narrow it down to just a particular question such as progressivity, treatment of cap gains, etc. I’ve always thought it would be dynamite, if somebody would perform a big regression analysis on marginal rates vs. taxable revenue realized, across all countries to prove that corporations tend to pencil in their profits into the subsidiaries having the lowest tax burdens.

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I offer a package that I think would intrest you.  Not only does it seem to meet your needs, but it is also an Access ‘97 based system that is fully customizable and is very scalible.  If this is something that you might be interested in, please do not hesitate to drop me a note. Darin Ries IBS Consulting – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of a suitable accounting package for a mid sized advertising/graphic design studio? Requirements: 1. y2k compatible 2. payroll integrated 3. job costing system 4.  Customisable reports 5.  customisable graphs 6. run on a windows based system 7. divisional budgets and tracking tia

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Does anyone know of a suitable accounting package for a mid sized advertising/graphic design studio? Requirements: 1. y2k compatible 2. payroll integrated 3. job costing system 4.  Customisable reports 5.  customisable graphs 6. run on a windows based system 7. divisional budgets and tracking tia

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Does anyone know of a suitable accounting package for a mid sized advertising/graphic design studio? Requirements: 1. y2k compatible 2. payroll integrated 3. job costing system 4.  Customisable reports 5.  customisable graphs 6. run on a windows based system 7. divisional budgets and tracking tia

ACCPAC SIMPLY for windows is an inexpensive package that should meet your needs. For my clients it is the one to be eliminated before we consider anything else.

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Hi, I have quickbooks 5 and I was hoping that someone could tell me how to set it up so each customer has a different rate for each item, instead of typing it in everytime. Thanx, Shawn

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QuickBooks can only have one price per item. If this feature is a must have for your business then you should look into higher end accounting systems. Many of these accounting systems have multiple price lists as well as the ability to adjust the sales price by a discount percentage or markup based on the type of customer you are selling to. In addition many have provision for special sales prices that have start and end dates.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I have quickbooks 5 and I was hoping that someone could tell me how to set it up so each customer has a different rate for each item, instead of typing it in everytime. Thanx, Shawn

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This isn’t a question that has "an answer."   But I’ve been reading here for several days and I can see there is a lot of intelligence out there reading and pounding keyboards… Here’s the situation: I’m not a carpenter, not a woodworker, but want to be, while I still have a full set of fingers. We are planning a new home, way out of town and I’ll have to become something of a carpenter and wood-dorker ™ before very long.   Yes, I’ll need to buy tools, but I am not asking which RAS to buy right now.  (I can hear sighs of relief.)  I did ask Santa for a nice compound miter saw last Chritmas, so I’ve gotten that far. Before leaving, I have some fixing up to do at the present residence, and one task will involved replacing all the moldings, coves, etc., as well as SOME of the paneling, in our large den. It was done by a contractor with a love for the cheap and it hasn’t worn well.  I’ve estimated prices of similar moldings from the local Home Depot at approx $350. What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.) I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation? Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-) David San Antonio, TX

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But I’ve been reading here for several days and I can see there is a lot of intelligence out there reading and pounding keyboards… Here’s the situation: I’m not a carpenter, not a woodworker, but want to be, while I still have a full set of fingers. We are planning a new home, way out of town and I’ll have to become something of a carpenter and wood-dorker ™ before very long.   Yes, I’ll need to buy tools, but I am not asking which RAS to buy right now.  (I can hear sighs of relief.)  I did ask Santa for a nice compound miter saw last Chritmas, so I’ve gotten that far. Before leaving, I have some fixing up to do at the present residence, and one task will involved replacing all the moldings, coves, etc., as well as SOME of the paneling, in our large den. It was done by a contractor with a love for the cheap and it hasn’t worn well.  I’ve estimated prices of similar moldings from the local Home Depot at approx $350. What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.) I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation? Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-) David San Antonio, TX

I built a fireplace mantle a little while ago and I’ll give you some things to consider. 1.  Is there a "real" molding supplier in your area.  I mean a firm that stocks or can make/get a wide variety of moldings in different woods for architects, custom builders, and the like.  If you can find such a firm, you only need to use your compound miter saw and other tools to fit and install your new trim.  This should be easier than making and installing your own molding so the learning curve should be faster and easier.  However, I’ll bet you will pay more for the wider selection and better quality of molding from a dedicated supplier. 2.  If HomeDepot or the like is your only available supplier or you really want to make your own molding, then consider getting a good router and getting/building a good router table.  You can make your own coves with a tablesaw and other molding details with a router table.  You just need to be sure to use featherboards and the like to remove the need to have your fingers anywhere near a cutting edge. I hope this helps. TJ

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My guess is you really won’t end up saving much money by producing your own mouldings. Even if you factor in a value of zero for your time after you pay for materials and lost materials due to the learning curve you probably will come out more expensive than buying from Home Depot.  Once you factor in a  value on your time I’m sure it won’t come out ahead.  Even if you’re retired the time away from the family is a cost. The only real reasons to do it are 1) you want something special that you can’t buy off the rack and 2) you just want to do it.  Most of us do the woodworking just because we like doing it and we get a lot of personal satisfaction from it.  If you’re trying to work on the costs then let a pro who know’s what he’s doing and has the most efficient set up do it. On the other part of your question, it is very possible to do it yourself. Just take it slow and run several trials on scrap pieces to make sure you’re getting what you want.  We all learn something new every time we do a project (otherwise this would be a pretty boring hobby) so don’t get frustrated by the fact that the first couple of try’s you end up learning a lot (i.e. making lots of mistakes).  Just do it on cheap small scrap pieces and you’ll feel good about it. Have fun. Joe P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This isn’t a question that has "an answer."   What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.) I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation? Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-) David San Antonio, TX

Joseph B. Paperman Assistant Professor of Accounting School of Business Administration University of Washington Box 353200 Seattle, WA  98195-3200

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This isn’t a question that has "an answer."

that’s ok… we can substitute some other types of comments… But I’ve been reading here for several days and I can see there is a lot of intelligence out there reading and pounding keyboards…

pretty amazing, aint it? Here’s the situation: I’m not a carpenter, not a woodworker, but want to be, while I still have a full set of fingers. We are planning a new home, way out of town and I’ll have to become something of a carpenter and wood-dorker ™ before very long.

enjoy the trip (yes, both of them.) Yes, I’ll need to buy tools, but I am not asking which RAS to buy right now.  (I can hear sighs of relief.)  I did ask Santa for a nice compound miter saw last Chritmas, so I’ve gotten that far.

the cms will make a ras redundant. well, almost so. Before leaving, I have some fixing up to do at the present residence, and one task will involved replacing all the moldings, coves, etc., as well as SOME of the paneling, in our large den. It was done by a contractor with a love for the cheap and it hasn’t worn well.  I’ve estimated prices of similar moldings from the local Home Depot at approx $350.

geez, pound for pound those mouldings outprice zebrawood… What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.)

the short answer: mostly. in a little more detail: with the router in a table and a well positioned set of featherboards you can easily make most of the mouldings you are likely to meet. make the router cut first, then rip off the moulding on the table saw. buy more wood than you need. the last rip will probably be too flexible to get good results with…  I recently did a "makeover" of a jelly cabinet into an entertainment center. sort of a silk purse from a sow’s ear thing… I bought the crown moulding and made the rest. I discovered one neat dodge: I bought small dowels and ran them through the thickness planer for the small half rounds. it allowed me to leave them slightly more than half, rather than slightly less (which some commercial half rounds are). could do it with a hand plane, too. possibly rip a kerf into a board to keep the little buggers from rolling away… it was nice to be able to make just the shapes I needed, as I thought them up. but then I have 61 router bits…(I just went and counted ‘em).  one clear advantage to this approach is that you get to size things on location. sometimes you want to leave a bit of extra to one side to add the next moulding, that sort of thing.   the downside… you’re gonna have to go buy some cutters, and some of the cutters could be hard to find. there will be a learning curve (be real careful about fingers around router tables…) the whole learning curve will be out in plain view- imperfections and all. I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation?

reasonable? around here? on usenet? I should hope not! but seriously, this is going to require some technique. get a good router book or two. read them before you buy the tools, and again as the project progresses. come back here as you have specific questions. learn about featherboards. learn about fences. get some goggles, or better yet a face shield. the list goes on… this is not a bad way to get started… complex enough to keep you busy for a while, enough instant results to keep you entertained… Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-)

good. take your time. enjoy the creative process. have fun, dammit! David San Antonio, TX

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Me too and don’t have any spare time.  This newsgroup ISN’T a waste of time!! If the molding you want can be formed with router bits GO FOR IT!  Make some feather boards and a fence and some outboard support for the wood and work safely.  Hearing protection and dust collection would NOW be near the top of the list.  Waited TOO LONG I realize NOW. Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-) David

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[snip questions about making moulding] What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be

Some possibly rambling thoughts from one who’s made some mouldings: The tools you may want/need depend somewhat on the type of wood you purchase – whether  s4s, s2s, rough, etc. . . I get mine s2s, but it’s only kind of s2s (4/4 is surfaced  to 7/8" and typically a tad rougher than you’d get from 4/4 s2s dimensioned to 3/4"). In my situation, the tools used include: table saw (for ripping and final jointing) band saw (for resawing) surface planer (guess) large router in a large table (for making profiles) hand jointer (for getting edges close to straight to start with) My guess it that purchasing s2s stock in the relatively thin thicknesses often used for moulding would be rather expensive. You’d definitely be money ahead if you are able to resaw 5/4 or 6/4 stock yourself, say, rather than buying 1/2" stock. Though your wood will be sold by the board foot, which is a volume, the thin stock less than 4/4 nominal is often priced by the lineal foot, typically close (or the same) as you’d pay for full 4/4 stock. One point to consider, also, is that you’ll be working with long pieces, which can be very awkward in a small shop (believe me!). The CMS you spoke of will definitely be handy when cutting the final moulding to length, but you’ll still suffer when making it in the first place if you don’t have a large area to work in, say 20′ x 20′ or so. The feather boards others wrote about are a definite necessity, as will be some sort of outfeed table/roller outfit for the saw(s), planer (if used) and router table. The feather boards on the router table are not just for safety, either. You’ll need them to keep the long pieces tight against the fence and table as you feed them by the cutter. Making moulding by its nature (you’re typically removing lots of material – more than when just cutting) generates vast quantities of dust and, more preferably, shavings. Expect to spend a *lot* of time sweeping and cleaning if you don’t have a dust collector. And even if you do have a collector, expect to spend a decent amount of time emptying it if you make a ton of moulding. I’d stongly advise against doing this without a dust collector. I’d advise you to get only top quality router bits you’ll be using. My personal preference is Jesada here. Their bits are oh, so sharp, make absolutely beautiful, fluffy shavings, and of course leave an exceptionally nice finished surface (better than the Freuds I’ve used). Whatever bits you use, you’ll get a nicer surface when using complex shapes (like an ogee) if you make multiple passes. Trying to hog off too much material at once is both dangerous and yields inferior results. Doing this sort of thing is rather tough on a router. Get a good one, and take the time to blow it out with compressed air every so often. (A compressor and finish nailer will make putting up the moulding much easier, BTW.) If you’re willing to spend the bucks on a more single-purpose machine, you might look into a planer/moulder. This will do the job of the surface planer and the router. A typical weekend warrior will probably get lots more use out of the separate tools, though, in the long run. — Jeff Thunder Dept. of Mathematical Sciences Northern Illinois Univ.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.) I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation? Oh, I am retired and have a little spare time!  :-)

I think it is too much trouble to produce your own mouldings and won’t save much money; but if you have a compound miter saw, you could certainly install your own trim. That is something a new woodworker can handle and it is not so time-consuming to be impractical. If your home is not new, then you may need or want to do all kinds of rennovations, and that is a good way to learn, provided you do a little at a time– not big projects at first. Gradually work your way into it. You need some hand tools– saws and hammers, nail set, try-square, make two sawhorses. You need a drill, circular saw, 4-foot level which is also a good straightedge; nail apron, some bits, prybar, simple tools like that, it will get you started. As you go along you can add tools as you need them. Best of luck!! John Cornett

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: [snip questions about making moulding] : What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to : buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the : needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be : Some possibly rambling thoughts from one who’s made some mouldings: <snip, snip remainder of this reponse, sorry. Okay, I certainly got my money’s worth out of this query! Thanks, Bob, Bridger, Joe, John, Jeff, TJ, who replied to me in the public forum, and to the eight unnamed individuals who replied in private e-mail! I was surprised to get more advice via e-mail than in the ng, but I’m sure there is a reason.   I very much appreciate all of the folks who took their precious time to write and offer advice and suggestions.  I’m pretty darned conservative and I had formed some ideas of my own before I wrote. Some of the replies confirmed my ideas, some of them shot the bejabbers out of my ideas, and some offered brand new thoughts which had not occurred to me. Since so many folks reponded privately — I’d imagine to avoid having their opinions targeted <g publicly — I’ll take heed of that and exercise caution in this and future posts here <grin. I will probably stay conservative till the day I die, so I’ll very likely take that approach here.  One significant factor which I’d not given enough thought to:  Keeping the wife happy so I can keep buying more tools!  Good suggestion along that line — thanks to the feller who made it!   I’ll make use of all of it, one way or the other!  thanks again. This is a good group! David San Antonio

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I was surprised to get more advice via e-mail than in the ng, but I’m sure there is a reason.

Some of us have seen what can happen if one opens the mouth wide enough  (feet taste TERRIBLE!) Tom

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What I’m wondering is this:  Could a newbie reasonably expect to buy a table saw, router, and some assorted tools and "produce" the needed moldings, thus helping to pay for the new tools which will be needed in the next year or so, anyway?  Or would this newbie be fooling himself (and worse, his wife) by attempting this?  (I’ve been married over 38 years and don’t want her to find out that I’m not perfect, you see.) I sorta figure "might as well start somewhere…and now is not so bad."  But I wonder if there is anyone out there who will take a chance and give an opinion.  Is it a reasonable expectation?

You can make your own moldings, but you will find there are slight variations from piece to piece that will make installation tougher. Commercial moldings from a multi-head spindle molder will be much more consistant. Making your own moldings is fun, but my advice would be to try making them on a smaller project before you get bogged down in a big project. Jim Eddy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }[edited] } }Right, we all know that we need lawyers to protect our freedom.   } }  Hmmm, does that mean if you were hauled in to either }  civil or criminal court you’d defend yourself rather }  than hire an attorney? Two similar thinkers come to }  mind: Colin Ferguson and Ted Kazinski. You’ll fit }  right in. } }Poor little Ricka’s response to everything, a ad hominem attack.  been }taking lessons to, I would guess. }     Far from being an ad hominem attack, it was right  on point. Or perhaps you can name the last person  to successfully defend themselves in a criminal trial? You think I am a lawyer?  Why would you think that I might have this information?  I suggest that you consult a library. As for myself, I remain convinced that we have an excessive number of lawyers, and, in general, they inhibit the liberty of the citizenry, not aid it.

   And there are some who think evolution is nonsense, others    are convinced the Earth is about 6,000 years old. You’ll    fit right in. Regards, Harold —– "The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern."    —Lord Acton (1834-1902)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }[edited] } }Right, we all know that we need lawyers to protect our freedom.   } }  Hmmm, does that mean if you were hauled in to either }  civil or criminal court you’d defend yourself rather }  than hire an attorney? Two similar thinkers come to }  mind: Colin Ferguson and Ted Kazinski. You’ll fit }  right in. } }Poor little Ricka’s response to everything, a ad hominem attack.  been }taking lessons to, I would guess. }     Far from being an ad hominem attack, it was right  on point. Or perhaps you can name the last person  to successfully defend themselves in a criminal trial?

You think I am a lawyer?  Why would you think that I might have this information?  I suggest that you consult a library. As for myself, I remain convinced that we have an excessive number of lawyers, and, in general, they inhibit the liberty of the citizenry, not aid it. Regards, Harold —– "The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern."         —Lord Acton (1834-1902)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } }Right, we all know that we need lawyers to protect our freedom.   }    You think it was plumbers and poodle groomers that  wrote the Bill of Rights? Did not James Madison have the most responsibility for the Bill of Rights?  He was a career politician who did some postgraduate work in theology, don’t recall if he was a lawyer.   You think they were all lawyers?  I would have guessed that many of the founding fathers were landowners and traders or merchants.  Let’s see, I do recall at one time making a list of them and their occupations.  Let’s see if I can find it.   Yep, here it is: 1.  Washington – landowner, military 2.  Franklin – publisher, diplomat 3.  Madison – politician, theology 4.  Hamilton – studied law after military career, politician 5.  Morris, G. – lawyer 6.  Morris, R. – merchant 7.  Wilson – lawyer 8.  Pinckey, C.C. – lawyer 9.  Pinckey, C. – military, politician 10.Rutledge – legal training, planter 11.Butler – military, planter 12.Sherman – career politician 13.Johnson – lawyer 14.McHenry – medicine 15.Read – lawyer 16.Bassett – planter, lawyer 17.Gorham – merchant 18.Dayton – lawyer 19.Carroll – planter 20. Few – lawyer 21.Baldwin – minister, lawyer 22. Langdon – merchant 23.Gilman – merchant 24.Livingston – lawyer 25.Paterson – manufacturer 26.Mifflin – merchant 27.Clymer – merchant 28.Fitzsimons – merchant 29.Ingersoll – lawyer 30.Bedford – lawyer 31.Brearly – lawyer 32.Dickinson – lawyer 33.Blair – lawyer 34.Broom – farmer, merchant 35.Spaight – military, politician 36. Blount – career politician 37.Williamson – scientist 38. Jenifer – planter 39. King – lawyer, politician OK, we have 18 who were lawyers or had legal training, out of 39.  Not even half, and some of them never practiced law or practiced it for a short time.

  Context, Mr. Brashears, context! You are attempting to   explain a period in American history when over 90% of   all workers were employed in a food related industry.   So almost half is very significant in terms of the   era. Sorry, while many were lawyers, it would be an error to characterize even the majority as lawyers. Regards, Harold —– "The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern."    —Lord Acton (1834-1902)

– rha

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[deleted] As for myself, I remain convinced that we have an excessive number of lawyers, and, in general, they inhibit the liberty of the citizenry, not aid it.   And there are some who think evolution is nonsense, others   are convinced the Earth is about 6,000 years old. You’ll   fit right in.

More logical fallacies, implying that someone who thinks we have too many lawyers must believe in creationism. My, aren’t you special!  I am impressed.  Anyone can play the insult game, most much more creatively than that.  For example: I have never seen someone so dumb use a keyboard!!  Does your big sister find the keys for you? See my sig. Regards, Harold —- "I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.  And God granted it."         –Voltaire, French philosopher, author. Letter, 16 May 1767.

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[...deletia...] While it’s true that there are some lawyers that manage to get a license even when they shouldn’t, they are in the minority.  The goal of UPL laws is to protect the public from unqualified practioners;

What is your definition of a "unqualified practioner"? those laws work 99% of the time.  Most lawyers are able and competent. The occassional bad apple doesn’t mean the law is bad.  After all, we license doctors — does that mean because a Florida doctor amputated the wrong leg of his patient we should do away with licensing in the medical profession?

Yeah, but at least if a doctor screws up, you stand a chance of getting restitution. [...deletia...] Yeah, and how does the consumer protect himself from the ABA and State Bar Commisions whose jobe is to supposedly protect the consumer? You keep bringing up the ABA like they have some kind of power.  They don’t.

Actually the ABA does have power but it is not of the type you are thinking of. While membership in the ABA is not madatory to practice law. It is reasonable to assume that someone who is a member of the ABA is a competent lawyer. The lawyer who screwed me over is a member, and the ABA has yet to pull that persons membership. The state bar is where it’s all at.  The ABA promulgates model rules of professional responsibility that are quite influential, but they have no control over the actual regulation of the legal profession.

See above. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -UPL laws exist for the same reasons that doctors and CPA’s must be licensed. No they don’t they just protect lawyers from outside competition. Only to the extent that the licensing of doctors and CPA’s protects *them* from outside competition. That ain’t what the SC descisions say.  As a matter of fact the who case was on the grounds of violation of the Anti-trust laws. *Sigh.*  Your ignorance is showing.  _Bates v. Arizona_ (433 US 350) established the right for a lawyer to advertise *on constitutional first-amendment grounds* in 1977.  I’d be interested to hear a citation for this alleged case deciding the issue on antitrust grounds.

You are right here and I appologize. I was thinking of the the case involving madatory fee scheduals and thought they were one in the same. Mandatory fee scheduals are an anti-trust issue, not a first amendment.

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If there is one single industry that proves government intervention in free enterprise is a bad thing it has to be the legal industry. Before 1930 you did not need a license to practice law in the United States. Until 1930 most lawyers learned their profession as apprentices rather than as students. For some reason the legal profession decided that theirs was a learned profession, far above the ordinary market competition of plumbers, dry cleaners, electricians, etc. but undignified in such a dignified and cerebral calling as the law.

The reason is that an unqualified individual practicing law can wreak havoc on an unsuspecting client.  Since much of what a lawyer does cannot be undone (for instance, drafting a will — once the testator dies, that document cannot be changed), a degree of consumer protection is warranted.  UPL laws exist for the same reasons that doctors and CPA’s must be licensed. (snip) This scheme worked perfectly for decades until the 1970’s when the US Supreme Court ruled that mandatory fee schedules and banning of advertising was in violation of anti-trust laws. But the UPL’s stayed in place. The SC, lawyers themselves, knew they couldn’t get rid of everything without bringing censure on themselves if they declared UPL’s in violation of anti-trust law.

Actually, the advertising ban was eliminated based on first amendment grounds. UPL statutes are based on the assumption that no one who has not completed law school and passed the bar exam can be competent in assisting another person with a legal problem. I call this line of reasoning into question. A tax accountant knows just as much about IRS tax codes as a tax lawyer, if not more so, than the tax lawyer, but if the tax accountant gives any legal tax advice he or she can find themselves facing fines and/or prison time for giving that legal advice. Personally I would rather get legal tax advice from the tax accountant than a tax lawyer just because the tax account is usually more up to date on the tax code than any tax lawyer.

1. You lack of knowledge regarding UPL is showing.  A tax accountant *may* render legal tax advice, and may even defend his client in tax court without committing UPL.  It is an exception specifically carved out by the IRS. 2. A tax lawyer will generally be just as up to date (if not more so) than a tax accountant since they will analyze tax legislation from the moment it is proposed.  Tax lawyers have the added benefit of being trained in legal research, which gives them a "leg up" on accountants in knowing the tax code. 3. Tax lawyers and tax accountants generally provide different services.  They are trained differently (I majored in accounting, and am currently a law student, so I feel qualified to speak on this point).  Accountants are generally trained "on the numbers" — tax compliance and basic planning is their game.  Tax lawyers are trained in a more code-based manner; their game is generally planning complex transactions to minimmize tax liability.  If you need a return completed, or want to do some basic retirement planning, contact a CPA; if you need to structure a partnership to take advantage of the tax code, call a lawyer. Having had discussions with lawyers over the last few years, I have found that I know more about the Constitutional law than many lawyers.

Bully for you.  Most lawyers don’t deal with constitutional law on a day-to-day basis, so a lack of knowledge isn’t terribly surprising — you tend to forget what you don’t use.  You should know, however, that every lawyer must have taken Constitutional Law in law school (it’s a requrement for the school to be ABA-accredited, and offered at pretty much all non-accredited schools as well).  Many schools (like UT) require and additional, upper-level con law class as well. (snip more bragging about how much con law he knows) The 6th Amendment of the United States Constitution says: (snip excess text)    and TO HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF COUNSEL FOR HIS DEFENSE.    [Emphasis mine]" This is an important point. The 6th Amendment does not say "

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I am looking for a software that will allow imports from the bank and from the different accounting areas of my company- then it should match up the different entries and produce an exception report.   I have already looked at QuikBooks, Quicken, Peachtree and they will not be able to handle the load for various reasons.  Does anyone have any other suggestions??  I would greatly appreciate any guidance in this area.

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Have you checked with your bank. Some of them – if they offer electronic services have software. It sounds as if you are getting an electronic bank statement.. therefore you might need their input anyway. Other wise you are at a sophistication level above the $100 software category you listed. You are going to have to check at the $500-1500 level next. I do not have suggestions. Sorry. Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a software that will allow imports from the bank and from the different accounting areas of my company- then it should match up the different entries and produce an exception report.   I have already looked at QuikBooks, Quicken, Peachtree and they will not be able to handle the load for various reasons.  Does anyone have any other suggestions??  I would greatly appreciate any guidance in this area.

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I am looking for a software that will allow imports from the bank and from the different accounting areas of my company- then it should match up the different entries and produce an exception report.   I have already looked at QuikBooks, Quicken, Peachtree and they will not be able to handle the load for various reasons.  Does anyone have any other suggestions??  I would greatly appreciate any guidance in this area.

Good luck…since the bank statements do not reflect whom the checks were paid to,it would the be tough to have them placed in the correct accounts..How woudl you know where check # 2341 for $23.10 should go in your ledger? if you find such a program don’t keep it a secret.

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Have you tried Access Accounting? It has a web sie at www.access-accounts.com. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a software that will allow imports from the bank and from the different accounting areas of my company- then it should match up the different entries and produce an exception report.   I have already looked at QuikBooks, Quicken, Peachtree and they will not be able to handle the load for various reasons.  Does anyone have any other suggestions??  I would greatly appreciate any guidance in this area.

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All this discussion about the EAA reminded me of a question I’ve wanted to ask all you folks who were at Oshkosh this year and who know the layout of the grounds from previous years. Last year at Oshkosh I learned that the EAA was planning to "buy" certain houses from neighbors abutting the field in order to expand the grounds.   The particular houses in question are a bit south of Theater In The Woods, on the opposite side of the street that defines the western edge of the field. Essentially the homeowners had a choice of selling to EAA or having their houses condemned (the EAA pretty much admitted this in a column in the magazine, but the wording was toned way down, to something like "the ‘affected’ homeowners…."). My question is, does anybody know whether this actually occurred?  I *think* they were planning on relocating Theater In The Woods a few hundred yards farther to the south as part of the overall plan.  Can anyone say whether that was moved? —      Steve Pennypacker               PP-ASEL

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Many home-builders are not particularly active in EAA.  Instead, they develop smaller associations among local and regional enthusiasts.  We have a large collection of RV builders at one of our local airports.   While most of the ones I have met are members of my EAA chapter, they seem to be sort of ambivalent about it.  My own feelings are similar. However, I am very glad that the EAA (and the AOPA) are out there doing their excellent lobbying and public-awareness activities.  I only hope that what they are lobbying for remains in our interest.  BTW, the crowds at airshows (and Oshkosh)  keep me away. Mark "Pseudo-Pundit" "Rebel Flaperon Expert" Conover  

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| One impression from OshKosh ‘93 is the continued de-emphasis | of homebuilts.  I know that war birds bring in the paying customers, | but this year for the first time, the field was closed to homebuilts | while war birds and the new Classic category planes kept coming in. | I believe this happened on Friday.  Rutan mentioned it in his Saturday | forum.  This really stinks.  EXPERIMENTAL Aircraft Association is | what’s on all the badges and literature. | | As the EAA becomes more main-stream (it is looking more like the | AOPA every day), what other choices do we as homebuilders have? | Is anyone aware of any other organizations that are specific to | experimentals??? | | Ticked off in Houston, | | Sid Lloyd | Cozy IV Fabricator Sid, I agree with you.  I stopped buying the EAA calendars several years ago because more than half of the months were warbirds.  Recently, more of the Sport Aviaton covers are warbirds than any homebuilt classification, further diluted by "classics". I believe this change is directly influenced by the current EAA president, who is personally heavily into warbirds.  Ironically enough, this means that our EAA dues (which go to pay his salary) are essentially paying for the demise of the grass-roots heritage of EAA. I believe there is a place for warbirds and classics in EAA — after all, our commonality is our love of flying machines, great and small.  Unfortunately EAA’s head has certainly lost touch with it’s toes. I am not aware of any similar organizations.  I suppose that if enough people were disgruntled with the current state of EAA affairs, we could branch off on our own.  I think a better way would be for us to put together a grass-roots movement to vote the warbird contingency out of office and replace them with people who are interested in grass shade of green, not the $ shade of green. With your permission I would like to publish this in next month’s Chapter 187 newsletter.  Maybe we can get something started… Say Hi to Neil Condra for me… Paul McKinley                                        Unix SysAdmin Contractor Smail:  Rt. 3 Box 1300 Georgetown TX 78626-9803      Homephone:  512/869-6522

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The question is. Is the EAA still Experimental? A multitude of valid points have been brought up. But, the bottom line is the EAA will become what has been described IF YOU LET IT. Oshkosh has become a Circus, The WARBIRDS due to their $$$ have a large place in the ramp and airshows. But face it the public at large recognizes warbirds and Piper Cubs.  Its either one or the other. Speaking of the other Classics, Antiques, Contemporary, sure eat up a lot of ramp space. Finally there is Homebuilts (note: EAA Oshkosh subtley is trying to change this to "Custom Built". But really this encompasses Experimental, and Ultralights. But once again Oshkosh is becoming a zoo. The North end has thousands of store bought planes, flown by "EAA Members" (my own feeling is the only reason they join is to save a few bucks at the gate). Of course many of these planes are flown in by folks who are building but have not completed their plane. ****Not letting the Experimental slip from EAA***** GET INVOLVED IN YOUR LOCAL CHAPTER. Chapters make the EAA different from AOPA. A Chapter is what you make it. I have visited social chapters, club chapters, flying chapters, warbird chapters, there is even a Ham Chapter (radios folks, not the porker) The chapter I belong to to started to lean towards becoming a social chapter, I became more involved, probably too much so as I am in my second year as President. Several things have changed, but the most noticable is that every meeting the program deals with building. If the subject would benifit from hands on we schedule a Saturday at someones hanger, learning or showing someone else how to weld, rivet, rib stitch, fiberglass, etc. We just completed 3 months of electrical systems. The programs wanted are submitted by the members and a member that has experiance will present the program. Our chapter is medium size, 120 members. We have 77 homebuilts either flying or in the project stage, 44 different types of home builts, and in the 25 years the chapter has been around we have built 91 aircraft. We don’t have a lot of  money in the chapter, any extra goes towards tools, which are loaned to members. The chapter is growing, folks are seeking us out. The chapter is trying to help those folks that are building, encourage those that are making a decision, by giving them a chance to see what is involved in building and to test there skill level with what is needed to build a plane. Also, a network is created in the chapter of people who can call on other folks to build. Without the EAA to provide the medium, chapters, I don’t think any of this would happen. Sure a few RV builders, or Skybolt builders would get together, but, what about the people who are undecided, or building a less popular craft? Again the EAA is what you make it, to me the EAA is the chapters, Oshkosh is exactly what it is presented, a Convention.  Yes I would like to see more homebuilding tips from "Sport Aviation". According to Tom Poberezny in the parking area across from the main gate there will be constructed new exhibition halls, the area where the exhibition buildings are now at will be torn down and made into homebuilt parking. (note: Someone let his feeling be known about folks at "Kitplanes" but if he lets every salesman get to him how does he buy anything, I overlook the salesfolks, and look at what I am buying. I like "Kitplanes" generally the articles are germain to our Sport planes. I learn from each issue and THATS what I pay for.) Now if you want to see home builts go to a Regional fly-in, or Sun’n Fun. Soap box  off. Doug Bloomberg Chapter 301, Denver "Rocky Mountain" RV-6 flying in loose formation in my garage, basement, attic, friends hanger.

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I went to OSH this year for the first time.  It was pretty much the first exposure to EAA.  IMO, EAA has got some excellent business people running it – things were generally very well run and one can probably buy just about anything with EAA stamped on it.   But it was a bit too slick – I suspect that EAA will head where ever the money is.  Warbirds or whatever.

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Perhaps this jibes with something I saw last year.  I stayed in a private home on the north side of the city.  Petitions were being circulated up there opposing some sort of EAA expansion.  I don’t remember the full story, but it was generally something along the lines of the EAA having too much power with the city government.

For brevity I left out some details from the original post, but the strong-arm stuff was happening with the help of the state of Wisconsin (I don’t know if the city of Oshkosh was involved or not, but I know the state was involved).  The EAA Convention is big business in that state. Ever notice that the governor always makes an appearance? By the way, with all this EAA-bashing going on, I should mention that I do think the EAA is still worth belonging to.  I feel I get my money’s worth, and they do a lot of good work.  I enjoy going to Oshkosh as much as anyone, and I don’t mind paying for it.  I like the magazine.  I actually don’t mind the Pobereznys’ paychecks and airplanes, as long as they’re honest about them.  I like being able to call Ben Owen or other people at headquarters and getting quick, friendly, and helpful answers to whatever questions I have.   And of course the biggest benefit is what they’ve done for homebuilding.   But in some ways, EAA has grown too big, powerful, and bureaucratic for its own good.  Bullying neighbors into selling property is the worst one I know about.  But what about all the blacklisting of people who speak out against EAA, the questionable accounting practices (anybody ever actually go through the annual report in detail, and then compare that to the figures they claim for Oshkosh?  Something ain’t right.), decreasing emphasis on homebuilts (the emphasis on warbirds is definitely NOT going away after this year, it’s been a slow but steady trend for several years now), and outrageously unresponsive rules-based security people at Oshkosh ("No, you can’t leave through that open gate, you have to use the one a few hundred yards away.   Yes, I know  you’re only trying to cross the street and you’re wearing a 30+ lb backpack".  I’ve got plenty of other stories as well.).  And these are only some of the things that I have personal knowledge of.  Then there are all the other stories we keep hearing about (but I can’t personally verify), such as Paul and Tom’s salaries and airplanes, questionable politics, and sometimes taking credit for things they didn’t do (I guess that one holds for AOPA as well). Sorry for all the doom and gloom.  As I said, I’m still a member and have no immediate plans to quit.  But it’s important for people to know about both sides of the EAA.  In my opinion, they are absolute masters at controlling the information they want to get out. —      Steve Pennypacker               PP-ASEL

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Last year at Oshkosh I learned that the EAA was planning to "buy" certain houses from neighbors abutting the field in order to expand the grounds.   The particular houses in question are a bit south of Theater In The Woods, on the opposite side of the street that defines the western edge of the field. Essentially the homeowners had a choice of selling to EAA or having their houses condemned (the EAA pretty much admitted this in a column in the magazine, but the wording was toned way down, to something like "the ‘affected’ homeowners….").

Perhaps this jibes with something I saw last year.  I stayed in a private home on the north side of the city.  Petitions were being circulated up there opposing some sort of EAA expansion.  I don’t remember the full story, but it was generally something along the lines of the EAA having too much power with the city government.                                           Ron Wanttaja

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  My question is, does anybody know whether this actually occurred?  I *think*   they were planning on relocating Theater In The Woods a few hundred yards Theatre in the woods is still in the same place (just north of the big rut that you fall in when walking from the classic camping area).  If they moved it farther south, the’d have to rename it as it wouldn’t be in the woods anymore.  Theatre in the Swamp would be appropriate. -Ron

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Being linked to the FAA/Wag Aero debacle didn’t exactly endear the organization to the aviation related industries either.

Errr… which debacle is that?  I think this predates my entry into aviation.

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Add my name to the list of people who are starting to feel the ‘pains of dissatisfaction’ with EAA.  I became disenchanted with AOPA long ago, particularly over the auto-fuel thing, where they gave it the editorial brush-off until after it was approved, and then tried to hop on the bandwagon as if they were in there pushing all along.  Then cometh their many ‘fund raisers’ where they call me, inevitably during dinner time, to ask me to contribute big bucks to the cause.  Hell, if I had the Big Bucks, I would not have an Ercoupe in the middle of a long restoration project. I think the emphasis on warbirds is all in timing.  Remember folks, this IS the 50th anniversary of WWII and those airplanes are getting all the attention for the moment.  This will pass.  But I think the EAA is neglecting the low-end homebuilders to a great extent.  It seems you have to subscribe to the EXPERIMENTER for that stuff.  Sport Aviation has become too all-emcompassing….just like AOPA PILOT has changed to the point that mostly the big iron is covered.  But then again, these are all personal perceptions…and subject to the planetary alignments etc.  I too skip Glasair articles.   I would hope that the people who are dissatisfied make their thoughts known to the EAA…and I would hope that someone with some literary talent would do an expose of the rec.aviation.xxx groups for the EAA audience.  In fact a ‘digital corner’ might be nice to see in SPORT AVIATION. Bill

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One impression from OshKosh ‘93 is the continued de-emphasis of homebuilts.  I know that war birds bring in the paying customers, but this year for the first time, the field was closed to homebuilts while war birds and the new Classic category planes kept coming in. I believe this happened on Friday.  Rutan mentioned it in his Saturday forum.  This really stinks.  EXPERIMENTAL Aircraft Association is what’s on all the badges and literature. As the EAA becomes more main-stream (it is looking more like the AOPA every day), what other choices do we as homebuilders have? Is anyone aware of any other organizations that are specific to experimentals??? Ticked off in Houston, Sid Lloyd Cozy IV Fabricator

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One impression from OshKosh ‘93 is the continued de-emphasis of homebuilts.  I know that war birds bring in the paying customers, but this year for the first time, the field was closed to homebuilts while war birds and the new Classic category planes kept coming in. I believe this happened on Friday.  Rutan mentioned it in his Saturday forum.  This really stinks.  EXPERIMENTAL Aircraft Association is what’s on all the badges and literature.

Eikes! I hadn’t realized that it had become that bad and it might also explain the rather compressed space for homebuilts this year. I strongly second the suggestion that you write a letter to Sport Aviation about this. As the EAA becomes more main-stream (it is looking more like the AOPA every day), what other choices do we as homebuilders have? Is anyone aware of any other organizations that are specific to experimentals???

I haven’t given up on the EAA yet, although the necessary efforts towards "saving general aviation" has shifted their focus in ways that make me uncomfortable. The Young Eagles idea is pure brilliance, something that recognizes the grass roots nature of general aviation. On the other hand, I have some misgivings about the Eagle Foundation efforts mostly because of the way that raising money seems to have become a fixation for many of the people involved rather than the activities that the Foundation is supposed to support. It could be that this revenue-enhancement mood is affecting the rest of the operations. Being linked to the FAA/Wag Aero debacle didn’t exactly endear the organization to the aviation related industries either. But I am still optimistic. venky

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