On 19 Jul 2004 15:09:18 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: >FIRST Amendment, Cain.
The First does not give you the right to break the law. So tell us, if someone gives legal advice who is proscribed from doing so, are they protected by the First Amendment? You live in a state where it is illegal to give legal advice. You advised someone, wiht nothing more than one simple unadorned sentence, to deny entry to a police officer in an investigation. That constitutes legal advice. I advise you…and it’s not legal advice…to make a thorough retraction really PDQ, Buttercup, or your ass is in rather deep Fertilizer should anyone decide your behavior is actionable in your state. >But of course freedom of speech is anathema to the likes of you.
On the contrary..the "likes" of me believes that without The First Amendment I might not be able to point out your lies, stupidity, and very-dangerous-to-parents advice you give so freely here, without regard to the risk to others you might be creating. You abuse the right, thus risking it. All who abuse it risk it for the rest of us, just as those that misuse firearms attract those that would try and do away with the 2nd amendment and its meaning, thus risking that right for those of us who exercise it. Same with all our rights under the law. The lawless risk our safety and even attack the law itself by breaking it. You are Pond Scum, another form of Vegetation. And you gave patently obvious legal advice…dangerous advice at that. I suggest you reconnect with the poster and clarify those circumstances when it might be POSSIBLE to refuse entry, and the safest was to do so in their state…..go GET THE FRIGGIN’ LAW AND MAKE SURE, AND BETTER YET PAY AN ATTORNEY TO INTERPRET IT FOR YOU. You going to clean up your shitty mess, or continue to try and hide it under the rug by attacking me? >http://www.txcfr.org TX group for even unfairly accused fosters.
Anybody that is "accused" seems to be "unfairly" done so, to you and yours, Potatohead. Are you really this Nuts? Kane
On 17 Jul 2004 12:35:27 -0700, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote: >Kane wrote >> You could also be open for civil suit should >> a homeowner refuse entry and be hurt in the >> process. >A legal opinion from Kane saying >that somebody elses legal opinion >is illegal to disseminate? Ha!
Excuse me, idiot boy, but can "bring suit" for absolutly any cockamamee reason they want in this country. THAT, was not legal "advice." I did not tell The Plant to DO anything, but to STOP doing something. >By that same logic, a parent who >totally rolls over when caseworkers >come to their door could sue you! Naa!
Of course they could, but it NOT the "same logic" at all. To tell someone to refuse entry to an LEO IS legal advice. And you’ll notice, R R R R R, idiot boy, that at NO point did I suggest the homeowner "role over" to a caseworker….as in "go see your lawyer." Is THAT what you think rolling over is? What must the homeowner do for it to NOT be a rollover…..assault the LEO? >> You aren’t hard to trace down should >> someone wish to. I understand a certain >> public figure in the entertainment >> industry’s people know who and were >> you are. Probably just rumor. >Or intestinal gas.
It’s estimated that on average everyone emits intestinal gas about 11 to 12 times a day. Even the beautiful people. The difference between us and YOU, is that we get up and move away by going to work and actually doing something with our lives, rather than stalk single mothers wish children. >Have you found a way to bottle it and >save it on your shelf along with your >yellow jars and little brown balls you rolled?
I have no such obsessions. Is THAT what you are doing with all that spare time you have? May I suggest gardening? You have more than enough fertilizer for a great start. And if you run out I recommend you contact Douggie and The Plant. They’ve enough for a hundred gardens. Then of course there is – R R R R R – bobb the Bigot and his raft of shit. Greegor, as a Flamer, yer a Lamer. Kane
FIRST Amendment, Cain. But of course freedom of speech is anathema to the likes of you. http://www.txcfr.org TX group for even unfairly accused fosters.
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news:7ed8d1be.0407171343.ba7a4b3@posting.google.com… > It’s estimated that on average everyone emits intestinal gas about 11 > to 12 times a day. Even the beautiful people.
Class, now pay attention, obviously this Kane Asshole knows what it is talking about. Mrs. Grif.
Kane, I have read at least one high court opinion very noteable for ALLOWING advocates to dispense legal advice without acting as an attorney. The LOUSY state of affairs with public defenders doing the JUDAS act is widely known and some of this has become caselaw. It was either about Suzanne Shell or part of the caselaw that Suzanne Shell used to defend herself. Basically, anybody can do legal research, it would be just plain unAmerican to tell people that they could not research it or tell what they had found. This is NOT the same as pretending to be an attorney. Somebody once posted that early Americans actually prohibited Barristers (Lawyers) from flooding into the new world. Barristers/Lawyers were much hated even then. Do you think Abraham Lincoln ever had to go to law school or pass a BAR EXAM before he practiced law? I highly doubt that the US Constitution was meant to stifle grass roots efforts to understand our laws, now convoluted beyond even the abilities of barristers. Despite that old expression that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." now’days it is sort of a nonsense comment. It takes a giant COMPUTER to track "the law" and all of the corrolaries, caselaw, precedent, etc. The Judge in the decision I refer to above could not get around the value of such research and advocacy. Put even simpler, it seemed like the CPS and their attorneys were being GIANT CRYBABIES in trying to pretend that providing legal research was in fact providing legal advice. It was a desperate tactic used by desperate prosecutors. In another case CPS actually PROTESTED in court that an advocate group had helped a mother find a home and a job! (As if it was somehow UNFAIR!) The Judge was not happy with CPS that day. Prosecutors do often try some pathetic tactics.
On 18 Jul 2004 16:31:54 -0700, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote: >Kane, >I have read at least one high court opinion >very noteable for ALLOWING advocates to dispense >legal advice without acting as an attorney.
Then cite and post please. For some reason I have trouble taking your word for things. >The LOUSY state of affairs with public defenders >doing the JUDAS act is widely known and some >of this has become caselaw.
Boy, this Plant just told someone to refuse entry to police officer. Not that may NOT result in any untoward outcomes, but would YOU want to follow that advice, without first taking to an attorney in your state, or at the very least looking up the statutes in your state and county, as well as city, to see just what a police officers choices are in such matters? The Plant seems perfectly willing, as usual, and as YOU do, to dispense advice or misleading information that could result in very serious consequences for those taking that advice or using that information. >It was either about Suzanne Shell or part of >the caselaw that Suzanne Shell used to defend herself.
R R R R …. Exactly my point. >Basically, anybody can do legal research,
Yes, and that IS what I recommended. The Plant said to refuse entry to a police officer. And said this what NO caveats whatsoever, leaving the reader, or who ever It was responding to, to assume it is possible to do this regardless of the circumstances at the time of the events. >it >would be just plain unAmerican to tell people >that they could not research it or tell what >they had found. This is NOT the same as >pretending to be an attorney.
Please point out were I told someone not to research. In fact I did exactly the opposite, you fuckin’ mindless parasite. I told them NOT to take advice from a pack of self serving sick little fucks like you on the Web, and go get REAL legal advice, and REAL information. You want to defend telling them to refuse entry to a police officer, be my guest, but know that you place OTHERS in jeapordy by such advice. >Somebody once posted that early Americans >actually prohibited Barristers (Lawyers) from >flooding into the new world. >Barristers/Lawyers were much hated even then.
Now there’s a usual piece of information for 2004 decision making. >Do you think Abraham Lincoln ever had >to go to law school or pass a BAR EXAM >before he practiced law?
There are, I believe, about 6 states, that still allow for NOT attending an accredited college of law and take the bar exam. Preparation, as A. Lincoln did, is called "Reading the Law." It is usually done, I’m told, by actually working in a law office, likely as a clerk or para, and then taking the bar. My understand was there was no such thing as a bar exam in Lincolns time but he met the criteria common to all in those days. Just as todays ambitious want to be legal beagles must. But that isn’t the issue. The Plant has NO "Reading the Law" experience It has shared with us, and the perfect example of It’s ignorance is posted from time to time here, and THIS example was a perfect one. An advice to refuse entry to a police officer. >I highly doubt that the US Constitution >was meant to stifle grass roots efforts to >understand our laws,
Nope. You are free to study the Constituion however you wish. Go read it. You have 24 hours to prepare for a quiz. >now convoluted beyond >even the abilities of barristers.
No, Constitution is anything but convoluted. I has hardly changed except for some additions that were a natural outgrowth of an evolving society of humans. >Despite that old expression that "Ignorance >of the law is no excuse." now’days it >is sort of a nonsense comment.
No, it isn’t. That still stands as fact. Ignorance will NOT excuse you from charges. It might help you in court. You see, assbrain, you and The Plant and some others who have haunted this ng from time to time have spouted tons of garbage on legal issues, failing to even discriminate between the branches of government…constantly mixing up their duties and responsibilities to spread your whining complaining stupid shit around. The law of the land in THIS country is a wonderfully fine and simple document….The United States Constitution. I’ll bet you’ve never even read it through, including the BOR and the rest of the amendments, now have you? >It takes a >giant COMPUTER to track "the law" and all >of the corrolaries, caselaw, precedent, etc.
Yer babbling, as usual. Go to a law library. People on foot will go to the stacks for you and pull out exactly what you are looking for without resorting to a computer. There sometimes is a small fee for copying. The attempts to make the law complicated are typical of jailhouse lawyers, those guilty of crimes, caught or not, that want to avoid the simple facts in the law. Start standing around little naked girls taking showers again and watch what happens to you, dummy. >The Judge in the decision I refer to above >could not get around the value of such >research and advocacy.
There is no case mentioned "above." What ARE you babbling about again? Stop snipping attributions and maybe you’d make some sense. >Put even simpler, it seemed like the CPS >and their attorneys were being GIANT CRYBABIES >in trying to pretend that providing legal >research was in fact providing legal advice.
Totally incoherent garbage. I know of nothing in this thread that would explain you mumbling whine. >It was a desperate tactic used by >desperate prosecutors.
What case are you referring to? You’ve completely obscured any case by NOT citing the previous posts that have that content. I will not discuss a case with you unless you actually have the prior referances to it so I know WHICH fuckin’ case you are talking about. Other people have lives, couch croucher, and haven’t time to keep with five or six of you babblers and your subject matter. >In another case CPS actually PROTESTED >in court that an advocate group had >helped a mother find a home and a job!
Citation please, and source access. >(As if it was somehow UNFAIR!) >The Judge was not happy with CPS that day.
How do YOU know they though it unfair, other than from the opinion of some asshole anti CPS freak? >Prosecutors do often try some pathetic tactics.
Prosecutors try lots of things, inluding the truth about shitheels such as you. You are one of the luckiest fuckers in Iowa to have gotten away with what you did. Now you are doing the con number, trying to deflect people from YOUR viscous treatement of a child and her mother. Go fuck yourself, asshole. Because of your innate dishonesty, and weaselly tactics I’ve had to do your work for you, and so I’ve pasted the post you are responding to below. You are a very serious passive agressive, aren’t you, asshole, in addition to being a narcissistic twit. Kane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -pohakuyakok…@subdimension.com (Kane) wrote in message <news:7ed8d1be.0407171143.7779cfd8@posting.google.com>… > On 17 Jul 2004 12:18:33 -0700, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) > wrote: > >Fern wrote > >> >> Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later. > >Kane wrote > >> > You just gave legal advice. That’s illegal in your state. > >Is that your legal opinion, Kane? > Nope, just an opinion. My own lawyer told me so. > > Legal in your state? 
> To tell someone not to give legal advice….sure. Is it legal to give > legal advice in your state if you are not a lawyer? If not, don’t do > it. It’s not in The Plant’s. > >Next you’ll be saying that reading of the Constitution > >is only for properly trained individuals to interpret, right? > Why would I say that? Can’t imagine me doing anything so stupid, but > you, on the other hand, might just be stupid enough to encourage The > Plant to NOT actually site the constitution and just babble. > It did not say "here is the law" or "go find out what the law is in > your state." Instead it risked THE OTHER PERSON’S SAFETY AND CHILD AND > FAMILY. See why I am such a millstone around the collective neck of > you evil vicious thugs? > Now take a look at that sentence of It’s. > It says: > "Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later." > The first sentence provides NO caveat…such as "unless…etc….." > And there one hell of a lot of "unless" and "etc." when a sworn law > enforcement officer presents him or herself at your door and requests > entry. > The correct, and NON-legal advice should be, "ask politely if the > officer has a warrant to serve to to see it." I think even the nutso > anti government anit cps crusader organizations know to do that. > Now look at the next sentence. "Grounds for lawsuit later." > The Brazil Nut doesn’t have the slighest idea of what constitutes > grounds for a lawsuit. …. especially in that the homehomer cannot > know, while reading that piece of LEGAL ADVICE, if such a situation > will even present itself. > Do YOU know the kind of advice Ruth and Brian Christine got…..and > that their chidren are being raise by their parents now, and both are > in jail for many years because of BAD FUCKIN’ LEGAL ADVICE? And Brian > damn near murdered someone, because of BAD FUCKIN’ LEGAL ADVICE? > That is EXACTLY what nailed them. > >All hail the priesthood of the law. > Sonny, you couldn’t drive three blocks and not get killed without "the > priesthood of the law." The traffic laws require enforcment to work, > legislation to determine them, and a judicial to apply sanctions > against having broken them. > What system would YOU suggest to replace LAW? > Law are nothing more than the rules we make between us to stay alive, > less injured, and have much more fun…like being able to work for a > living and be responsible for oursel…..oppps! Sorry. I forgot about > you and your "situation." > >The modern Pharisees who paid Judas to maintain their power. > Please point out how my suggesting that The Plant NOT
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Fern wrote > >> Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later.
Kane wrote > > You just gave legal advice. That’s illegal in your state.
Is that your legal opinion, Kane? Legal in your state? Next you’ll be saying that reading of the Constitution is only for properly trained individuals to interpret, right? All hail the priesthood of the law. The modern Pharisees who paid Judas to maintain their power.
Kane wrote > You could also be open for civil suit should > a homeowner refuse entry and be hurt in the > process.
A legal opinion from Kane saying that somebody elses legal opinion is illegal to disseminate? Ha! By that same logic, a parent who totally rolls over when caseworkers come to their door could sue you! Naa! > You aren’t hard to trace down should > someone wish to. I understand a certain > public figure in the entertainment > industry’s people know who and were > you are. Probably just rumor.
Or intestinal gas. Have you found a way to bottle it and save it on your shelf along with your yellow jars and little brown balls you rolled?
On 17 Jul 2004 12:18:33 -0700, Gree…@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson) wrote: >Fern wrote >> >> Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later. >Kane wrote >> > You just gave legal advice. That’s illegal in your state. >Is that your legal opinion, Kane?
Nope, just an opinion. My own lawyer told me so. > Legal in your state?
To tell someone not to give legal advice….sure. Is it legal to give legal advice in your state if you are not a lawyer? If not, don’t do it. It’s not in The Plant’s. >Next you’ll be saying that reading of the Constitution >is only for properly trained individuals to interpret, right?
Why would I say that? Can’t imagine me doing anything so stupid, but you, on the other hand, might just be stupid enough to encourage The Plant to NOT actually site the constitution and just babble. It did not say "here is the law" or "go find out what the law is in your state." Instead it risked THE OTHER PERSON’S SAFETY AND CHILD AND FAMILY. See why I am such a millstone around the collective neck of you evil vicious thugs? Now take a look at that sentence of It’s. It says: "Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later." The first sentence provides NO caveat…such as "unless…etc….." And there one hell of a lot of "unless" and "etc." when a sworn law enforcement officer presents him or herself at your door and requests entry. The correct, and NON-legal advice should be, "ask politely if the officer has a warrant to serve to to see it." I think even the nutso anti government anit cps crusader organizations know to do that. Now look at the next sentence. "Grounds for lawsuit later." The Brazil Nut doesn’t have the slighest idea of what constitutes grounds for a lawsuit. …. especially in that the homehomer cannot know, while reading that piece of LEGAL ADVICE, if such a situation will even present itself. Do YOU know the kind of advice Ruth and Brian Christine got…..and that their chidren are being raise by their parents now, and both are in jail for many years because of BAD FUCKIN’ LEGAL ADVICE? And Brian damn near murdered someone, because of BAD FUCKIN’ LEGAL ADVICE? That is EXACTLY what nailed them. >All hail the priesthood of the law.
Sonny, you couldn’t drive three blocks and not get killed without "the priesthood of the law." The traffic laws require enforcment to work, legislation to determine them, and a judicial to apply sanctions against having broken them. What system would YOU suggest to replace LAW? Law are nothing more than the rules we make between us to stay alive, less injured, and have much more fun…like being able to work for a living and be responsible for oursel…..oppps! Sorry. I forgot about you and your "situation." >The modern Pharisees who paid Judas to maintain their power.
Please point out how my suggesting that The Plant NOT give legal advice, and my personal advice to the inquirer that he or she DO seek competent legal advice equates to that nonsense … Or could it just be we are all being treated <sigh> once again, to a segue into YOUR particularly sordid mess that destroyed a loving family by YOUR actions and that mother’s stupid choice to take YOU over her own daughter? Kane
On 15 Jul 2004 13:27:30 -0700, Kane <pohakuyakok…@subdimension.com> wrote: > On 15 Jul 2004 18:47:27 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: >> http://www.profane-justice.org/html/faq.html#letcwin >> Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later. . > You just gave legal advice. That’s illegal in your state. > In court you could plead insanity though. Write it down so you don’t > forget.
Eyy, eyy ninnyboy. — Just Say NO to Miss Information
On 15 Jul 2004 18:47:27 GMT, fern5…@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote: >http://www.profane-justice.org/html/faq.html#letcwin >Do not admit to home. Grounds for lawsuits later. .
You just gave legal advice. That’s illegal in your state. In court you could plead insanity though. Write it down so you don’t forget. You could also be open for civil suit should a homeowner refuse entry and be hurt in the process. You aren’t hard to trace down should someone wish to. I understand a certain public figure in the entertainment industry’s people know who and were you are. Probably just rumor. >Be polite
Sure, yah ol’ dingbat. Doug uses that ploy all the time. Me, I’m anything but polite because I’m not a smarmy liar that needs to con people to put out my public claims and rebuttals. I want to make SURE no one buys what I say because I’m "nice." I want them to THINK….of course I gave up on Yew long long ago. Stick it, Pinenut. Polite enough for yah? >http://www.profane-justice.org Colorado Website of Suzanne Shell. Early >advocate for families against DHS, DSS.
Never ever seek advice from such sources as above until you have thoroughly investigated them and their principals and, principles. Legal advice should come from a legal source. The statutes, the prior case law findings, and lawyers to interpret. NOT THESE yahoos. Not even lawyers on staff or retainer with them if they are not in your state….and I’d suggest you check out their record of wins, and failures in any case, just because you can and you should. It’s YOUR family. YOU care about it far more than any of them could. That said, on to the subject, Salvia vulgaris: The homeowner better not stop the cop from entering and bringing the social worker if the cop has even the slightest suspicion…like a neighbor says they heard child screams… of a crime in progress. It’s called "probable cause" and "reasonable suspicion" and it’s put some folks behind bars that tried that nonsense of denying entry you suggest, Sugatsuga enflorescence. EVEN WHEN THERE WAS NO CRIME IN PROGESS and the cop was mistaken. The cop is not required to be RIGHT, (that would be kind of stupid in the crime stopping business) but only required to have reasonable cause for suspicion…and they know exactly how to do that…and make it stick. He or she can even hurt you to gain entry, or shoot you dead dead dead on reasonable grounds of believing him or herself or another at risk of serious bodily harm of fatal injury. So if "not letting them in" should escalate to the use of physical force by the homeowner..well, you figure it out. These terms I use vary from state to state…you need to look up yours if you have a serious concern you might find a police officer at your door requesting entry. Addressing the correspondent of The Plant: Walk softly if a cop shows up with the worker. Know your LEGAL rights, not the garbage peddled by these nitwits. Most cops are kindly disposed to parents, being parents themselves most often…but they are NOT kindly disposed to abusers. Make sure you don’t look like or act like one. And MY legal advice is……NOTHING AT ALL….just call your attorney and ask someone authorized to give legal advice. If you have a question like this one The Plant tries to mislead you about, get you to your lawyers office NOW and ask what your options are. This ng (and the one I’ll crosspost to that is the one this should have been in) can be the best and the worst of places to seek information and help. We have pimps and shills for anti CPS crusader groups that will sell your ass and your children for a drop of blood to lubricate the wheels of their strange machines. We have self admitted (but they deny it) child abusers and gigolos who will encourage you to do the WORST possible things you could do in protecting yourself and your kids from unwarranted CPS interventions or retrieving your children from state custody should that be needed. We have had people here, and there’s no accounting for their return or not, that have urged others to, and claimed they would, shoot, poison, and or, inject illegal materials on computers, and even bomb CPS buildings with clients – parents and children in the way of harm. We call all these, nutcases, and you won’t run short of them in these ngs. On the other hand, we also have a small contingent of people that have learned the CPS system, know very well how to deal with issues with CPS successfully. Actually I think the number is probably less than three at this time, though some foster parents that come here can also give pretty good info. The former, the nutsos, have had NO successes in getting findings reversed or children returned from state custody that they posted here, while the latter have had, Dan Sullivan more than any, a phenomenal success record in doing both, and in some instances we’ve gotten to watch the progress of these cases right here in the ng. And The Plant called Fern? R R R R R…. Be warned. This is someone that so hates children that It excuses even murder of children by parents, with beatings and torture supported and even promoted as reasonable under the US Constitution and something It calls, a Parent’s Liberty Interest in Raising Their Children. goggle It in the archives and see. It lies in it’s posting’s subject lines. It makes claims that are easily proven false, but will NOT back down from dangerous advice that goes with such nonsense. In fact, I consider it an enemy of families as well…as it frequently in past years up to the present, has tried to send folks down exactly the wrong path into the swamp. It shills endlessly for blood dancers that, if you fail and lose your children, they have something to crusade about, and somemore lubrication for their wheels. Study the Christine case to learn how they work. It’s a model in what NOT to do. Now It will, of course, stupidly attempt to deflect attention, probably by claiming slander…when I have NO idea what IT’s real name is. If you aren’t in trouble and don’t really need help, you might find this place entertaining by way of studying the human condition and the machinations of some of our more, shall we say, "troubled" citizens. You asked a legal question. Get legal advice. Best of luck to you. Kane
Yet I am amazed that neither the firm nor the news media have addressed the real core problem: buying financial products from the same firm that is paid to review and comment on those products.
Like I stated in another post: As long as the books can be cooked, and you’re the chef, the guy that picks out the menu, the food critic, the dishwasher, and the health inspector, there’s tons of room for trouble. One day we’ll be on an even par with used car salesman. The only question is whether or not we’ll get there by pulling ourselves out of this mess. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia
The principle of avoiding conflict of interest is one of the oldest in the advisory profession. Advisers who violate this principle, in my opinion, have no real defense in a claim of professional malpractice when the objectivity of their advice is challenged. On the flip side, clients who take advice from product sellers – regardless of how wealthy the client or prestigious the adviser – do so at their own peril. Many KPMG clients are learning this basic lesson from the IRS the hard way.
I agree with both points, as will many of the regulars here. Welcome to the group. Hope to hear more from you. Jim
Op/Ed on Tax Shelter Litigation by Tony Novak, MBA. MT While litigation over abusive tax shelters continues around the country, the IRS released new information in court documents this week showing that at least some KPMG employees were aware of legal problems with the tax shelter products the firm was selling to its clients. The IRS cited internal memos discussing "troublesome issues" with the products. The Wall Street Journal (6/25/03) quoted a statement issued by KPMG LLP on June 24 saying that the firm would not comment on the internal memos released in the lawsuit but instead said that the firm provides "appropriate tax-planning services to our clients, which is fully supported by the Internal Revenue Code and related regulations." Yet I am amazed that neither the firm nor the news media have addressed the real core problem: buying financial products from the same firm that is paid to review and comment on those products. This is simply a bad practice. The industry and the public would be better served by acknowledging the issue and then moving forward. KPMG would do far better by admitting the systematic flaw in its business procedure and take a leadership role in adapting new corrective policies. The solution is really simple: clients should buy financial products from one firm and get their tax & professional opinions from another firm. If I was a public relations adviser to KPMG, I would have them revise their press statement to say "KMPG acknowledges participating in the industry-wide practice of selling financial products and receiving commissions on the sale of financial products to our tax clients. We recognize that this practice creates an inherent conflict of interest and may impair our ability to provide completely objective tax advice. We have changed our business practice and now do not sell products or receive commissions from the accounts of our tax clients." This statement would go a long way toward restoring public faith in the accounting industry. Yet a discussion of this simple principle still ruffles the feathers of many accounting firms that have switched from providing solely tax and accounting services to providing financial planning and investment services. Multiple income sources have now become the norm in the accounting profession despite the recent IRS crackdown. Of course, this is not the only hot issue rocking the accounting industry. After a rash of recent scandals that made national headlines, accountants no longer provide financial planning advice to executives within the firms where they provide audit services. The accounting industry had no choice but to revise its practice or risk public scorn and additional federal regulation. The tax shelter problem seems to be running the same course, but at a much slower pace since these issues are not front-page news. It might take another threat of federal legislation or a rash of civil judgments against CPA firms before the accounting industry revises its practice of providing tax advice to clients who purchase financial products. The principle of avoiding conflict of interest is one of the oldest in the advisory profession. Advisers who violate this principle, in my opinion, have no real defense in a claim of professional malpractice when the objectivity of their advice is challenged. On the flip side, clients who take advice from product sellers – regardless of how wealthy the client or prestigious the adviser – do so at their own peril. Many KPMG clients are learning this basic lesson from the IRS the hard way. *** Articles are archived online at www.tonynovak.com.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Sunny; You wrote "The seeds of Christianity can indeed be found in Judaism." I hope you are referring to what is the current religion called Christianity and not true Christianity. True Christianity is totally of God and has nothing to do with any religion of mankind. Actually, yes — sort of What interests me more is the thoughts I can find in both — and in others, too — which have a whole lot less to do with "templing" and a whole lot more to do with what I think of as the true search for God. Remember that one phrase, kevannah (I think I’ve spelled it right)? That’s something I found researching Judaism. Though the word is Hebrew, and the writing was Jewish, the thought or idea expressed sort of transcended that which I think of as religion. So it’s both, really. In terms of religious ritual and thought, I can find the seeds of the one in the other (though there’s a great deal of difference, too, which tends to get glossed over or ignored by Christians determined to interpret an entirely different practice to suit what they think, and no offense to Christians intended here, please). But what always strikes me are the things that are expressed *through* the religion which don’t seem religious. This is a wild overgeneralization, but you know how each religion can be sort of grouped into those who are more rigid, and those who aren’t? So you have the orthodox Jews, and you have the kabbalah sort of mystic Jews; you have the fundamentalist Christians, or to use an older term, the pistics, and then you have the gnostics; and you have the radical islamics, whether Sunni or Wahabbi, and you have the sufi mystic sorts. And if you put the kabbalah/mystics and the gnostics and the sufi’s in the same room, they’d all probably get along famously, because they look for the essence behind the words; and if you put the orthodox Jews and a fundamentalist Christian and a Wahabbi Muslim in the same room, they’d kill each other. Sunny who knows that’s an overgeneralization, but it’s close "It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than ‘try to be a little kinder.’" – Aldous Huxley
Have fifty people in a room. Have one whisper an explanation of a principle in the ear of another, repeating this until the last of the fifty who then declares what was originally said. This, is religion. Taking an original, word, concept, precept, understanding, and "handling it" throughout many years and many people. The difference being, religionists delight in forming a new opinion to replace the original declaration. Religion is "founded" on matters relating to God but are never instituted by God. Even scripture cannot be accepted as factual accounting of the relationship between God and mankind. Scriptures, or some scriptures, offer testimony of a "witness" who relates an experience. As you know, I am a former police officer. It is common to have numerous "eye witnesses" to an event, relate totally different facts concerning the event they witnessed. Even in police academy, an event was staged for this reason and the many cadets gave totally different accountings and "facts" concerning what they "witnessed." And "all" thoroughly believed what they "thought" they saw and heard was an accurate accounting, and were totally convinced their accounting was "the" accurate accounting. Colors, sizes, shapes, order of events, were all different in the accountings. The ability to perceive correctly and accurately varies from person to person. Add to this, the way in and by which different people interpret matters in so many different ways, and it is easily seen why mankind has created so many religions and sects with so many different believers and followers. Unless a person possesses the same mind as the person issuing a testament, it is not possible for another person to see exactly what the person is talking about. Consequently, the "scriptures" are a compilation of what and how many people "perceived" what the words were conveying. It is well accepted, God is not the author of confusion or a lie. Simple logic demands the conclusion, the existence of the many different teachings and understandings religion offers is not of God nor an accurate definition or description of the matters of God. Follow this with understanding this logic dictates, and it must be questioned as to why any person would believe what any religion teaches. The error of the vast majority of mankind is they have no "love" for truth. They are content to merely believe what another person offers in their word. An attorney, politician, preacher, or other con artist, can make any lie sound believable. The entire world of mankind has been led to believe the great lie, religion represents God. Consequently, many different images of God are created and held by the masses to be the real God when they are all false images created by the imagination of mankind. Concerning the "seed" of a religion, seed of course is a word. A word may be a short sentence of a great volume of words. The great difference between Judaism, who has handled and offers what the "Hebrew" religion is, and Christianity, in its true form, is the primary teaching of what is to be held as truth and who is the author of truth. Judaism accepts current interpretation of scriptures as the source of truth. True Christianity accepts only the Word from God as truth. Religionists, teach others to follow what they say and teach. True Christians teach man to come to God and hear what God has to say. Again logic dictates hearing the Word of God from God is the way to know what God has to say. Of course, Jesus of Nazareth taught this as "the way to know the truth." This "way" is what separates true Christianity from religions of man for Christianity is not religion, in its true form. All religions are founded on belief of what others of man have to say, and are "belief systems." The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth is not founded on what any of mankind has to say, but is founded on a principle or way, in and by which man may know for sure, what is the truth concerning God and the matters of God. It is truth alone, that sets man free from believing teachings that are not truth. In correct understanding, this way sets man free from belief in religious teachings. When the entirety of mankind has believed the lie of religionists, which is that no person is able to communicate with God and gain knowledge of this truth, knowledge of "the way" to know truth has been removed from the minds of mankind. Whenever then, a person declares this way, they are met with the same opposition Jesus of Nazareth was met with from the ruling religionists who control the minds of the people in the matters concerning God. It is as a group of people lost in a vast forest, wandering around endlessly. But one person declares he knows the way out because he has already followed this way and has experienced coming out of the forest. However, the people refuse to believe the way he proposes and will not believe it is possible for this man to have followed this way. The result? They remain lost. Their unbelief has prevented them from "proving" what the man declares. If they chose to prove the word of the man, they would of course, find their way out of the forest. So it is, those who are able to believe it may be possible, and seek to prove the matter, do prove whether the word is truth or a lie by whether or not the desired result is experienced or not. Religion does not and cannot teach this way taught by Jesus of Nazareth for it would destroy the religion. If man is able to gain sure knowledge of truth concerning God and the matters of God, from God; what good is religion? What is any religion able to offer compared to sure knowledge of truth? Such is the difference between the different "seed" that originated religions and true Christianity. The seed that originated true Christianity is the seed from God, or the Word God has planted/inspired in the mind of man. It is the seed of Christ, or the seed coming to whosoever is able to receive the Word of God directly from God. The seed of religion is the seed of fallen "Adam" or "fallen mankind" who fell away from knowledge and understanding of this way to know truth. The great falling away and the believing of a great lie, foretold two thousand years ago, has occurred. Mankind has believed the lie of religionists who teach it is not possible for man to gain sure knowledge of truth from God. As long as they believe the lie, their unbelief keeps them separated from God. It is a tradition of mankind, to create religion as a replacement for God. Hence the vast majority who have been taught and have believed the lie that says scriptures are the source of knowledge and understanding of truth concerning the matters of God. Take care Sunny, DW Suiter Son of God
Hello Sunny; You wrote "The seeds of Christianity can indeed be found in Judaism." I hope you are referring to what is the current religion called Christianity and not true Christianity. True Christianity is totally of God and has nothing to do with any religion of mankind.
Actually, yes — sort of What interests me more is the thoughts I can find in both — and in others, too — which have a whole lot less to do with "templing" and a whole lot more to do with what I think of as the true search for God. Remember that one phrase, kevannah (I think I’ve spelled it right)? That’s something I found researching Judaism. Though the word is Hebrew, and the writing was Jewish, the thought or idea expressed sort of transcended that which I think of as religion. So it’s both, really. In terms of religious ritual and thought, I can find the seeds of the one in the other (though there’s a great deal of difference, too, which tends to get glossed over or ignored by Christians determined to interpret an entirely different practice to suit what they think, and no offense to Christians intended here, please). But what always strikes me are the things that are expressed *through* the religion which don’t seem religious. This is a wild overgeneralization, but you know how each religion can be sort of grouped into those who are more rigid, and those who aren’t? So you have the orthodox Jews, and you have the kabbalah sort of mystic Jews; you have the fundamentalist Christians, or to use an older term, the pistics, and then you have the gnostics; and you have the radical islamics, whether Sunni or Wahabbi, and you have the sufi mystic sorts. And if you put the kabbalah/mystics and the gnostics and the sufi’s in the same room, they’d all probably get along famously, because they look for the essence behind the words; and if you put the orthodox Jews and a fundamentalist Christian and a Wahabbi Muslim in the same room, they’d kill each other. Sunny who knows that’s an overgeneralization, but it’s close "It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than ‘try to be a little kinder.’" – Aldous Huxley
Hello Sunny; You wrote "The seeds of Christianity can indeed be found in Judaism." I hope you are referring to what is the current religion called Christianity and not true Christianity. True Christianity is totally of God and has nothing to do with any religion of mankind.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m researching conceptions of moralities, and their differences between the christian and hebrew/jewish religion. for instance, how the holy works of the jewish and christians differ in ‘dos and don’ts’…. anyone know of a webpage or two that draws a contrast? unbiased sources which draw wholly from scripture preferred. I don’t need a ‘look at what the jewish faith vs christian fath has done to screw the world over’ page… nor am I trying to be converted to one side or another… I’m quite comfortable in my atheistic approach. simply looking for the facts, ma’am…. I’m not sure you’re going to be able to find a scripturally based web site which is either unbiased or anywhere close to accurate with respect to how the religions themselves manifest. You’re talking about belief systems which span thousands of years, and have had countless (particularly Christianity) manifestations which fall under the broad umbrella of either religion. The seeds of Christianity can indeed be found in Judaism, though a whole lot less obviously than a redactive Christian reading of the old testament would claim. One main, major difference is the Christian claim of Jesus as a manifestation of God, and a requirement for belief to precede salvation. Judaism finds heretical *any* depiction of God, and concerns itself more with right behavior. There are, however, broad overlaps, and it’s nearly impossible to honostly ascribe any one "morality" to either religion without excluding a great number of those who actually *practiced* those faiths. In other words, I think you’re looking for a simple answer to a complicated question Sunny "It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than ‘try to be a little kinder.’" – Aldous Huxley
allo heh I’m not sure what to make of this newsgroup. on one hand there seems to be alot of mindless flaming.. on the otherhand a few of you seem to be reasonably well spoken… I’m researching conceptions of moralities, and their differences between the christian and hebrew/jewish religion. for instance, how the holy works of the jewish and christians differ in ‘dos and don’ts’…. anyone know of a webpage or two that draws a contrast? unbiased sources which draw wholly from scripture preferred. I don’t need a ‘look at what the jewish faith vs christian fath has done to screw the world over’ page… nor am I trying to be converted to one side or another… I’m quite comfortable in my atheistic approach. simply looking for the facts, ma’am…. -Barton
Dear Barton, May I suggest that you "Cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils" and turn to God, your Creator, Sustainer and Savior, with a humble, honest heart.. I commend you to the Word of God which is given for our learning, historically and personally.. (It speaks of a Holy God and sinful man and his redemption — morally!) "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God".. Better to be a fool for Christ, the Savior, than a damned fool of Satan.. The choice is yours! Don’t be a loser!!
I’m researching conceptions of moralities, and their differences between the christian and hebrew/jewish religion. for instance, how the holy works of the jewish and christians differ in ‘dos and don’ts’…. anyone know of a webpage or two that draws a contrast? unbiased sources which draw wholly from scripture preferred. I don’t need a ‘look at what the jewish faith vs christian fath has done to screw the world over’ page… nor am I trying to be converted to one side or another… I’m quite comfortable in my atheistic approach. simply looking for the facts, ma’am….
I’m not sure you’re going to be able to find a scripturally based web site which is either unbiased or anywhere close to accurate with respect to how the religions themselves manifest. You’re talking about belief systems which span thousands of years, and have had countless (particularly Christianity) manifestations which fall under the broad umbrella of either religion. The seeds of Christianity can indeed be found in Judaism, though a whole lot less obviously than a redactive Christian reading of the old testament would claim. One main, major difference is the Christian claim of Jesus as a manifestation of God, and a requirement for belief to precede salvation. Judaism finds heretical *any* depiction of God, and concerns itself more with right behavior. There are, however, broad overlaps, and it’s nearly impossible to honostly ascribe any one "morality" to either religion without excluding a great number of those who actually *practiced* those faiths. In other words, I think you’re looking for a simple answer to a complicated question Sunny "It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one’s life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than ‘try to be a little kinder.’" – Aldous Huxley
if you’re hell-bent on doing it – you’ll find the reasons to go the airplane route. but here are some things to keep in mind: - it’ll be much more expensive than renting an apt. - chances are you’ll have to leave a car at the dest airport - you’ll have to be instrument rated to increase your chances on making the flight on bad weather days - you really won’t save that much time. 80 miles by road let’s say it’s 1.5 hrs – 2 hrs door to door by plane (asssuming a few things) time to airport (15 mins) + pre-flight/taxi (10) + enroute (40 min) + taxi-tiedown (10) + ride to company (15) = 1.5 hrs. like i said, if you’ve already made up your mind…. b-man
You haven’t spent much time commuting in Los Angeles have you? 80 miles could take 4hrs. Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if you’re hell-bent on doing it – you’ll find the reasons to 80 miles by road let’s say it’s 1.5 hrs – 2 hrs door to door by plane (asssuming a few things) time to airport (15 mins) + pre-flight/taxi (10) + enroute (40 min) + taxi-tiedown (10) + ride to company (15) = 1.5 hrs. like i said, if you’ve already made up your mind…. b-man
Some good points, but driving is absolutely out of the question. Trust me. Arguably, my drive requires the absolute most congested route in Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is always named the most traffic congested city of the nation. I’ve done the drive; in fact, did it for several weeks. Per day, it would take 4.5 hours. If there’s an accident then all bets are off. Now, mind you, this isn’t just normal hours, this is frustrating, want to kill the person in front of you, smelling car fumes, getting a headache, not a pleasant mood by the end of the trip, hours. Those kind of hours. :P Flying requires concentration, and may be frustrating, but *NOTHING* like being stuck on the 91 freeway. I realize it will be more expensive than an apartment, but I don’t really care. The point is, I have 2 kids and a wife that I don’t see during the week. That, to be blunt, sucks. I wrote a bunch more, but then deleted it because I was rambling. The only thing that I’m hellbent on is getting home every night, and the only way I see doing that is flying. I’m open to other options, but every other one that I’ve thought of isn’t an option for a variety of reasons (moving, carpooling, train, motorcycle). Any thoughts? r. P.S. I’m actually kind of surprised more people aren’t taking this option and teaming up with other people to defray the cost.
Well…the real solution is not to have to go everyday… Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some good points, but driving is absolutely out of the question. Trust me. Arguably, my drive requires the absolute most congested route in Los Angeles, and Los Angeles is always named the most traffic congested city of the nation. I’ve done the drive; in fact, did it for several weeks. Per day, it would take 4.5 hours. If there’s an accident then all bets are off. Now, mind you, this isn’t just normal hours, this is frustrating, want to kill the person in front of you, smelling car fumes, getting a headache, not a pleasant mood by the end of the trip, hours. Those kind of hours. :P Flying requires concentration, and may be frustrating, but *NOTHING* like being stuck on the 91 freeway. I realize it will be more expensive than an apartment, but I don’t really care. The point is, I have 2 kids and a wife that I don’t see during the week. That, to be blunt, sucks. I wrote a bunch more, but then deleted it because I was rambling. The only thing that I’m hellbent on is getting home every night, and the only way I see doing that is flying. I’m open to other options, but every other one that I’ve thought of isn’t an option for a variety of reasons (moving, carpooling, train, motorcycle). Any thoughts? r. P.S. I’m actually kind of surprised more people aren’t taking this option and teaming up with other people to defray the cost.
Well…the real solution is not to have to go everyday…
That’s true. You did mention you were a software engineer. Won’t the company allow you to write code from home and only come in once in a while? But, having said that, one day a week is a good enough excuse to buy a 182. Actually, because you want one and you can afford it is a good enough excuse in my book. =)
P.S. I’m actually kind of surprised more people aren’t taking this option and teaming up with other people to defray the cost.
I knew someone who flew from N. of Ft Lauderdale to north of Miami on a daily basis; there were 4 of them. Saved 2+hrs on I95 a day. More recently (~10 years ago) a Telebit [THERE'S an old name] engineer flew in from Sacramento to the Mt. View area. The housing cost differential paid for the a/c inc. running costs; he kept a clunker car at the field. And there was an old rec.aviation regular, an MD who lived on Kent Island and flew into College Park daily. {Anyone here recall the flyin he hosted? Ron Wanttaja gave a talk on Flybaby..} —
I just tried it for the fun factor for a month and a half from Riverside,CA to Sta. Monica. Door to door 65 sm. 15 miles of side streets. Plane 90 min. 30-42 in air. Truck 90 min. flowing. 120-180mins. traffic. BMW motorcycle purchased three months ago=65 mins. no matter what. 2100 miles a month. Fun factor and living for the excitement just about same on m/c. Much safer to fly, actually. Scuff marks on motorcycle hardbags are badges of honor. Boy was I relaxed when flying to work and arriving at work. Not nearly as much talking to myself. Wx grounded me a day every week and a half. VFR only. I tried to find a small plane but I’m building a four banger instead. I’d go for it! Have a place to crash, though. mm N174mm reserved
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings! I’m an avid follower of this group and new pilot. My desire to become a pilot has always been a dream, but really because I wanted to spend time with my family. I currently have an apartment about 80 miles from my home. I spend work weeks at the apartment, and weekends at my home with my family. I know a lot of guys who would love to spend this much time away from the wife, but I’m not one of them. :P I’m looking into purchasing an aircraft, and to see if it’s a deductable business expense. This would allow me to be home every night, and drop the apartment entirely. I work as a full-time contractor (software engineer) for one company. The work I perform is through my own closely held California C-Corporation. In reading the AOPA tax guide, it seems that the IRS will challenge anyone that trys to deduct expenses for a plane *IF* there are commercial airplanes available instead. Well, I’m commuting in the Los Angeles basin, and there’s tons of commercial planes. However, the cost of flying commercial and owning my own plane is the same. Does the IRS care? More importantly, are there any other metropolitan pilots who are commuting to work each and every work day that know this is a legitimate deduction? Any insight would be appreciated! r.
Commuting to and from work is never deductable. If you used it to travel from one work location to another work location you might have a case, but the ride to and from work is at your expense. Just like it is for me in my car. — Trevor Fenn To Email me add an extra green to the address above. "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just" The Star Spangled Banner Francis Scott Key
Again, thanks for the info. Great stuff! 
r. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just tried it for the fun factor for a month and a half from Riverside,CA to Sta. Monica. Door to door 65 sm. 15 miles of side streets. Plane 90 min. 30-42 in air. Truck 90 min. flowing. 120-180mins. traffic. BMW motorcycle purchased three months ago=65 mins. no matter what. 2100 miles a month. Fun factor and living for the excitement just about same on m/c. Much safer to fly, actually. Scuff marks on motorcycle hardbags are badges of honor. Boy was I relaxed when flying to work and arriving at work. Not nearly as much talking to myself. Wx grounded me a day every week and a half. VFR only. I tried to find a small plane but I’m building a four banger instead. I’d go for it! Have a place to crash, though. mm N174mm reserved
Hi Trevor, Actually, since I work for my own company as a contractor, travel in my car is deductable. And since the trip is over 80 miles each way, I can actually claim per diem! :P If you take a look at the original message, you’ll get a better idea of my situation. Anyway, I’m consulting with a aviation tax lawyer on the issue and post a follow-up for everyone when I have that information. r. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Commuting to and from work is never deductable. If you used it to travel from one work location to another work location you might have a case, but the ride to and from work is at your expense. Just like it is for me in my car.
Hi Trevor, Actually, since I work for my own company as a contractor, travel in my car is deductable. And since the trip is over 80 miles each way, I can actually claim per diem! :P If you take a look at the original message, you’ll get a better idea of my situation. Anyway, I’m consulting with a aviation tax lawyer on the issue and post a follow-up for everyone when I have that information.
If travel in the car is deductable, travel in the plane is. I haven’t found any instances where you can deduct one where you can’t deduct the other.
Greetings! I’m an avid follower of this group and new pilot. My desire to become a pilot has always been a dream, but really because I wanted to spend time with my family. I currently have an apartment about 80 miles from my home. I spend work weeks at the apartment, and weekends at my home with my family. I know a lot of guys who would love to spend this much time away from the wife, but I’m not one of them. :P I’m looking into purchasing an aircraft, and to see if it’s a deductable business expense. This would allow me to be home every night, and drop the apartment entirely. I work as a full-time contractor (software engineer) for one company. The work I perform is through my own closely held California C-Corporation. In reading the AOPA tax guide, it seems that the IRS will challenge anyone that trys to deduct expenses for a plane *IF* there are commercial airplanes available instead. Well, I’m commuting in the Los Angeles basin, and there’s tons of commercial planes. However, the cost of flying commercial and owning my own plane is the same. Does the IRS care? More importantly, are there any other metropolitan pilots who are commuting to work each and every work day that know this is a legitimate deduction? Any insight would be appreciated! r.
It should be deductible if it is set up right. If an expense is an "ordinary and necessary" business expense then it is a legitimate deduction, period. It doesn’t really matter if there are commercial alternatives unless you get really ridiculous (like taking a business trip to Japan via Alaska and Siberia in a Bonanza). Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings! I’m an avid follower of this group and new pilot. My desire to become a pilot has always been a dream, but really because I wanted to spend time with my family. I currently have an apartment about 80 miles from my home. I spend work weeks at the apartment, and weekends at my home with my family. I know a lot of guys who would love to spend this much time away from the wife, but I’m not one of them. :P I’m looking into purchasing an aircraft, and to see if it’s a deductable business expense. This would allow me to be home every night, and drop the apartment entirely. I work as a full-time contractor (software engineer) for one company. The work I perform is through my own closely held California C-Corporation. In reading the AOPA tax guide, it seems that the IRS will challenge anyone that trys to deduct expenses for a plane *IF* there are commercial airplanes available instead. Well, I’m commuting in the Los Angeles basin, and there’s tons of commercial planes. However, the cost of flying commercial and owning my own plane is the same. Does the IRS care? More importantly, are there any other metropolitan pilots who are commuting to work each and every work day that know this is a legitimate deduction? Any insight would be appreciated! r.
As an accounting major, the general rule is that your commute too and from work is on you…However, if you set up a bona fide home office, then it would be more on the level. For example if you have a company car, the drive to and from work is not deductable, but office to the PO, to the bank, to the client is ok. Thor
So, since he’s working for himself (i.e. if the ‘corporation’ is based at his home) he can deduct the expenses?
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He is not commuting to work, he is traveling to his customer. Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an accounting major, the general rule is that your commute too and from work is on you…However, if you set up a bona fide home office, then it would be more on the level. For example if you have a company car, the drive to and from work is not deductable, but office to the PO, to the bank, to the client is ok. Thor
The previous message made it sound as if the office, work job etc, was 80 miles away. If a home office is set up and used, and the company is run from there, everything is probably somewhat on the level. Generally you can look it this with a type of litmus test on how much on an impact it will have on income. A/C used for a business other than charter etc, have a 5 yr MACRS life span. You will take the decpreciation, interest expence, fuel, and non major maintaince off of the bottom line each year. New engines etc are depreciated in most cases. If it does not stand out like a sore thumb, usually you are ok. If it greatly changes the income figures, it will be more likely to be looked at a bit closer. Hope this helps, but as always..take free advice from the net, as just that free! Thor
Great points everyone! The point on commuting is valid, however, the workplace that I attend daily is over 80 miles from my home. So currently, the apartment that I rent is deductable and we also take per diem expenses as well. My reasoning is that I’m basically replacing my deductable apartment expenses with deductable aircraft expenses. Although my figures put the aircraft as being approximately $1200.00 more per month than the apartment expenses. Anyway, I guess it’s pretty clear that I should spend some money on a good aviation tax attorney or CPA and see what they think before I go dropping a ton of money into this! :) Have a great day! r.
Hi I am an electrician who has nearly finished a big nstallation ( for me) the Materials have come to over
My email has been down since we were first hit at 4:30 this morning. Rumors have it that the virus scanners will post the update tonight to catch it. d
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT. My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city. Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs. So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita
Thanks Rita – I just got a notice from my own ISP about it so this must be a real and nasty one.
Just FYI – Unless someone’s using Microsoft Outlook it’s safe to read the E-mail, as long as the attachment isn’t downloaded. The same goes for pretty much any virus …it’s 100% impossible to get a virus simply from reading E-mail, despite all the hoaxes on the Internet to the contrary. Outlook is the only exception to the rule, thanks to the brilliant folks at Microsoft, who decided to jazz up ordinary text E-mail a little too much by supporting a format in which the text can also include executable macros. It’s probably the least safe program out on the market. The thing that makes me laugh is that every few months or so all these big companies get hit with E-mail viruses like this one through Microsoft Outlook, yet they still insist on using it. If they’d just move all of their Outlook files to the Recycle Bin and buy new E-mail programs, and told their employees not to D/L any attached files, they’d never ever get another virus again. Oh well… Just my 2 cents LOL — Steve
Very true, In my department we have a policy to not enable any macros sent through email. However being a college campus, we are only a small portion of the university. Anyhow it looks like we will be nailing some attachments through our firewall now. Personally I think we should just ban them anyhow. I have personal email for the attachments if I want them. d
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just FYI – Unless someone’s using Microsoft Outlook it’s safe to read the E-mail, as long as the attachment isn’t downloaded. The same goes for pretty much any virus …it’s 100% impossible to get a virus simply from reading E-mail, despite all the hoaxes on the Internet to the contrary. Outlook is the only exception to the rule, thanks to the brilliant folks at Microsoft, who decided to jazz up ordinary text E-mail a little too much by supporting a format in which the text can also include executable macros. It’s probably the least safe program out on the market. The thing that makes me laugh is that every few months or so all these big companies get hit with E-mail viruses like this one through Microsoft Outlook, yet they still insist on using it. If they’d just move all of their Outlook files to the Recycle Bin and buy new E-mail programs, and told their employees not to D/L any attached files, they’d never ever get another virus again. Oh well… Just my 2 cents LOL — Steve
You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed? Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf.
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*Here is the article from Reuters*-Julie Thursday May 4 2:21 PM ET New ‘Love Bug’ Computer Virus Sweeps World By Derek Caney NEW YORK (Reuters) – A computer virus dubbed the “Love Bug” caused havoc with computer systems worldwide on Thursday, shutting down email servers at major companies and penetrating the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain’s Parliament. Companies across Europe, North America, Asia and Australia were hit by the so-called “Love Bug” virus, raising fears of a repeat of the Melissa virus that wreaked havoc in the United States last year. The virus appears to have been sent by someone operating under the pseudonym “Spyder,” citing a printout of the virus program, said Britain’s Consumers’ Association. A Pentagon office that compiles news clippings sent to the ”ILOVEYOU” message to its mailing, including contacts at the Central Intelligence Agency, Civil Air Patrol, General Accounting Office, military commands and the FBI-led National Infrastructure Protection Center. White House spokesman Jake Siewert said so far the virus has not gotten through the White House system. “It hasn’t affected operations at the White House,” he said. “There have been some reports around the government about it. The White House has taken some measures to secure its system … our cybersecurity people are on top of it.” The British Parliament was also said to be affected, with London’s House of Commons shutting down its e-mail system for about two hours on Thursday to safeguard against the virus. Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F – news) said it shut down its e-mail system, serving more than 100,000 employees worldwide, this morning after the virus infiltrated its system in Europe. “The virus was first noticed in Europe,” said Ford spokeswoman Kathleen Vokes. “When it was determined it could be a serious virus, the decision was made to shut down all servers supporting e-mail within Ford to prevent its spread. Once the virus is eradicated, we will bring the servers back up.” Internal e-mail systems at many of the world’s largest companies and organizations have been hit by the virus, ranging from media companies to agricultural companies to technology companies to public utilities. “We’ve already gotten about 50 reports on the virus, which is pretty significant for this time of day,” said Bill Pollak, a spokesman for the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), a Defense Department-funded computer security project at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Penn. The virus comes in an e-mail that says “ILOVEYOU” in the subject line and an attachment, which when opened using Microsoft Outlook software sends the virus to the e-mail addresses stored within the software, researchers say. Once the virus infects the computer it can destroy certain files not only on the user’s own hard drive, but also other files on networks that the user is connected to. “What makes this virus effective is that it can spread to other computers within the network,” said David Chess, a researcher with International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM – news). in Armonk, N.Y. “It can slow down e-mail systems, crash computer networks and potentially destroy important files.” The virus is said to overwrite picture and music files from local and network drives. The “love bug” parallels a similar virus attack in 1999 known as Melissa, which was also spread through Microsoft Outlook’s address book and produced one of the most widespread infections ever, although damage to individual computers was limited. U.S. media conglomerate Time Warner Inc. (NYSE:TWX – news) said its computers had been affected. “It’s all over our system,” said a staff member in its public relations department in New York. The world’s largest wireless telecommunications firm, Vodafone AirTouch Plc (NYSE:VOD – news), shut down its internal e-mail system, which prevented its internal staff from sending and receiving e-mail but has not had any impact on customer records or billing. Archer Daniels Midland Co., (NYSE:ADM – news) a Decatur, Ill.- based international grain and food company with more than 500 grain elevators and 350 processing plants worldwide was affected by the virus. “We did get hit this morning. We have implemented corrective fixes such as temporarily shutting a few of our e-mail servers down,” said Karla Miller, spokeswoman for Archer Daniels Midland Co. “There were no widespread outages.” Newark, N.J.-based Public Service Enterprise Group Inc. (NYSE:PEG – news) shut down its e-mail shortly after 9 a.m. to prevent dissemination of the virus, according to spokesman Paul Rosengren. PSEG is the parent company of Public Service Electric & Gas Co. — PSE&G — New Jersey’s largest utility. IBM’s Chess said messages within the e-mail indicate the virus originated in Manila, Philippines. “But really, there’s no way to tell for sure, where it came from,” he said. Those infected appear to be limited to users of Microsoft Outlook, and only if the user were to open the accompanying attachment. Microsoft Corp. (NasdaqNM:MSFT – news) was not immediately available for comment. 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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed? Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf. If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT. My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city. Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs. So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita
THANK YOU BOTH!!! Di
Thanks for the information Xan, Rita, Jackie Debby
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed? Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf. If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT. My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city. Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs. So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita
If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT. My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city. Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs. So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita
If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT. My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city. Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs. So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita
Dear Rita, My husband called me this morning to warn me of this too. He was sent an e-mail from England, he opened it and within minutes e-mail was being sent to people in his address book and it corrupted 5 files before he could stop it. His computer had virus protection too…… Thanks Rita ) Jackie This was on AOL news today: ‘Love Bug’ Computer Virus Sweeps World Reuters NEW YORK (May 4) – A computer virus dubbed the ”Love Bug” wreaked havoc on computer systems worldwide Thursday, shutting down E-mail servers at major companies and penetrating the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain’s parliament. The ”love bug” is being called the fastest spreading computer virus, affecting hundreds of thousands of computers around the world at brokerages, agricultural companies, media, auto giants and technology firms. The virus drew comparisons with last year’s Melissa virus, which spread through computer systems in the U.S. Mikko Hypponen, manager of anti-virus research at computer security firm F-Secure Corp.’s testing facilities in Helsinki, Finland, said the virus had affected hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide and could become the most widespread virus attack ever. ”We know from direct reports from customers that there are over 150,000 computers affected,” Hypponen said. ”I would say several hundreds of thousands of computers are affected by this. It’s still too early to say just how many.” Melissa affected 300,000 computers in March 1999. Hyponnen said the virus had spread twice as fast as Melissa in the first 10 hours since the company identified the virus on computers. The virus appears to have been sent from the Philippines by someone operating under the pseudonym ”Spyder,” Britain’s Consumers’ Association said, citing a print-out of the virus program. The virus comes in an e-mail that says ”ILOVEYOU” in the subject line. With the e-mail comes an attachment, which when opened using Microsoft Outlook software sends the virus to the e-mail addresses stored within the software, researchers say. Once the virus infects the computer, it can destroy certain files not only on the user’s own hard drive, but also other files on networks to which the user is connected. ”It can slow down E-mail systems, crash computer networks and and potentially destroy important files,” said David Chess, a researcher with International Business Machines Corp. The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating the matter. A Pentagon office that compiles news clippings sent the ”ILOVEYOU” message to its mailing lists, including the General Accounting Office and security agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency, the FBI-led National Infrastructure Protection Center and military commands. White House spokesman Jake Siewert said the virus had not gotten through the White House system. ”It hasn’t affected operations at the White House,” he said. ”There have been some reports around the government about it. The White House has taken some measures to secure its system. Our cybersecurity people are on top of it.” The British Parliament was also said to be affected, with London’s House of Commons shutting down its e-mail system for about two hours Thursday to safeguard against the virus. F-Secure’s Hypponen said the virus was targetting computer music and graphic files in formats such as JPEG, MPEG2 and MP3. As a result, Hyponnen said several European publishing companies had lost their digital photo archives, including a local publisher in Sweden and a multinational one, but he declined to name the companies. He also said his company had been contacted by a radio station in Central Europe that had had its digital music archives wiped out. Hyponnen’s company, previously known as Data Fellows Corp., is headquartered in San Jose, Calif. Inevitably perhaps, stock market investors seized on the attack as evidence of growing need for computer security tools and pushed up the shares of anti-virus companies — more than 20 percent in the case of McAfee.com and Trend Micro . Other beneficiaries included Check Point Software of Israel and Baltimore Technologies of Ireland. Internal E-mail systems at many of the world’s largest companies and organizations have been hit by the virus. Ford Motor Co., said it shut down its e-mail system, serving more than 100,000 employees worldwide, this morning after the virus infiltrated its system in Europe. Archer Daniels Midland Co., a Decatur, Ill.-based international grain and food company with more than 500 grain elevators and 350 processing plants worldwide, had to shut down several E-mail servers. Vodafone AirTouch Plc, the world’s largest wireless telecommunications firm, was also affected. Those infected appeared to be limited to users of Microsoft Outlook, and only if users opened the accompanying attachment. Business software maker Computer Associates International Inc. said it had software available for free download from its Web site (http://antivirus.ca.com) that can eradicate the virus from infected computers. Symantec Corp., which makes a software maintanence package called Norton System Works, said it had software available for download from its Web site that could detect the ”love bug,” but it relies on the user to manually delete the infected files. ”We will have software on the Web site that can both detect and repair infected files within a couple of hours,” said Marian Merritt, group product manager for Norton System Works. REUTERS 15:06 05-04-00
Lets keep all the boats. One half fish one year and the others the next. Who knows after five years there may be enough fish to allow all boats to fish again.
FYI CCA IN UNPRECEDENTED AGREEMENT TO CONTROL LONGLINES, SHRINK FLEET In late August, CCA, in conjunction with The Billfish Foundation and the American Sportfishing Association, entered into a memorandum with the Blue Water Fishermen’s Association (which represents longliners), pursuant to which 160,000 square miles of US waters would be permanently closed to longlining, additional time and area closures would be instituted, the size of the longline fleet would be reduced by 30% and longliners would be required to participate in an extended study aimed at reducing bycatch. The permanently closed area would stretch from the North Carolina/South Carolina border to Key West, Florida, an area identified in Billfish Foundation studies as the U.S. region accounting for the greatest incidence of sub-legal swordfish and billfish bycatch. (Early this year, CCA opposed NMFS’s original proposal of a seasonal closure encompassing only the Florida Straits, since we realized that the more extensive closure provided by the current agreement was not only possible, but necessary.) Large areas in the northern and western Gulf of Mexico will also be subject to seasonal closures. As part of the agreement, the longline fleet will be reduced by approximately 30% through buyouts. 50% of the money for the buyouts will come from the federal government. The remaining costs will be shared equally by the remaining participants in the longline fishery and by anglers fishing in the closed areas (or by state governments assuming the anglers’ share). While the agreement is, in the words of Walter Fondren, CCA’s Chairman, "maybe the biggest conservation measure for offshore fisheries ever," it is, as he acknowledges, only a "step in the right direction." CCA, other conservation organizations and the longliners themselves will now go to the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and request that similar conservation measures be implemented in international waters. Such international management is essential, since about 95% of Atlantic billfish mortality, and most mortality of juvenile swordfish, is caused by foreign longliners. For the agreement to become effective, it must be approved by Congress. CCA has already lined up a list of influential sponsors and cosponsors in both the House and the Senate. Unfortunately, a negative campaign with some false information regarding the agreement is encouraging anglers to ask their Congressman to oppose the deal. Since any piece of legislation is a very delicate construct, that campaign could succeed. Therefore, CCA NY members are being provided with the following information so that, properly informed, they can spread the truth regarding the agreement: Vessels that are "bought out" of the longline fishery will not be able to enter any other commercial fishery. Such vessels are federally documented. Pursuant to the buyout agreement, not only the vessels’ longline permits, but also the commercial fishing endorsement in their documentation, will be purchased. After such purchase, the vessels may be used as dive boats, party boats, whale-watchers, oil-rig tenders or any other purpose except commercial fishing for the rest of their working lives. The buyout will substantially reduce effort in the domestic swordfish fishery. Longliners remaining after the buyout have agreed to support, at ICCAT, at 10-year rebuilding plan for swordfish, and will insist that American negotiators press for such a plan. Since a 10-year rebuilding plan will require harvest reductions of at least 27%, both the reduction in fleet size and the reduction in harvest will be roughly proportional. The remaining longline vessels will not reap a significantly larger share of the swordfish quota. There should be little displacement of longline effort from the closed areas to the mid-Atlantic and New England. The east-coast longline fishery is broken into distinct segments. a) Longliners in the Gulf of Mexico primarily target yellowfin tuna in a short-set, live bait fishery that provides most of the fresh tuna steaks to the eastern United States. Employing methods designed to get fish from the water to the consumer in a matter of hours, Gulf longliners have already agreed that they could remain in local waters and serve their traditional markets under the terms of the agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, they have agreed to participate in a multi-year scientific study of longline bycatch. b) Southeastern longliners primarily target swordfish, and is the group that will be the most affected by the closures. Some may opt to travel from traditional ports, and fish in waters north of the closure line. However, most are expected to accept the buyout offer instead. c) Mid-Atlantic longliners, most operating out of New Jersey, are unique in that they target both swordfish and tuna. They are not expected to be significant participants in the buyout, and their operations will see little immediate impact from the agreement, although they will also participate in a multi-year bycatch study. d) New England longliners are primarily swordfishermen, and comprise a distant waters fleet that frequently fishes for extended periods outside of the EEZ. They will see the least immediate impact from the agreement, and will remain in traditional waters. Vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to re-enter the fishery unless another owner leaves. Because a limited-entry system has been instituted in the longline fishery, the only way such a vessel owner would be able to obtain a permit would be to buy it from another owner who will then no longer be able to fish. A direct ban, without some of agreement from longliners may even hurt the fishery. Longlining is a frighteningly effective and terribly destructive means of catching fish. However, American vessels, fishing under a permit issued by NMFS, are required to obey American fishery management plans even when they fish in international waters. Thus, U.S.-permitted longliners may not retain billfish, fin sharks or commit similar offenses whenever and wherever they fish. A vessel banned in the U.S. might decide to reflag in Trinidad, Haiti, Venezuela or other foreign jurisdiction, and would free such vessels of the restrictions imposed by American law. Since more than 95% of billfish and more than 50% of juvenile swordfish are already killed by foreign-flag boats, an American ban would do virtually nothing to rebuild the fishery, but would end America’s moderating influence. Pursuant to the agreement, vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to reflag in another nation. Armed with the above information, CCA NY members will be able to refute fallacious arguments and urge adoption of the longline agreement-the first real breakthrough in the conservation of highly migratory species since CCA spearheaded the drive to outlaw the sale of Atlantic billfish, more than a decade ago. — Joseph M Tyson Bellport, Long Island
Just my opinion, but buying out 68 boats of dubious condition for $1 million each using our tax dollars is pretty depressing. I haven’t read the fine print of this "deal with the devil" pact, but I’d like to see the longline fishery’s total quota reduced by at least 50% if we can’t succeed in banning the (longline) fishing method altogether. Dollars to donuts the NMFS will take any quota reduction from lost longliners and stick it back in another fishery’s quota. While it sounds prosaic… longliners should all convert back to harpoon boats for swords, and the NMFS should put a minimum of 250 pounds dressed carcass weight for a commercial-sold fish. Right now longliners are landing juvenile fish in the sub-100 pound category on a regular basis, and these fish aren’t even old enough to spawn… so it’s only a matter of time before the species is wiped out and these jerks are holding their hands out again. Just look at the mess up in New England in the George’s Bank. I’ve seen longliners out in the deep transferring fish carcasses from one boat to another, and you know that something fishy (no pun intended) is going on. Probably selling a decent sized blue marlin to a foreign boat. Yeah, it’s OK because it’s dead bycatch. Saw that out around Washington Canyon a couple of years ago while we were fishing in the Mid-Atlantic 500. Everyone should work so hard to eliminate the longline fishery altogether without a cash buyout, and support the Recreational Fishing Alliance and the 90+ groups, companies, and other organizations that are opposing the CCA deal. I’ve suggested to Doug Kelly of Sport Fishing that the next FACE OFF article should feature this debate… hopefully with someone like Al Ristori/Jim Donofrio on one side supporting the RFA, and John McMurray supporting the NY-CCA and their position. Doug has already responded to muy email and agreed that this would be a good one… so look forward to two conservation groups with different perspectives going at it soon. Maybe we’ll have some surprises on both sides, but this issue needs to be discussed, since both groups want strong stocks of billfish, tuna and shark. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI CCA IN UNPRECEDENTED AGREEMENT TO CONTROL LONGLINES, SHRINK FLEET In late August, CCA, in conjunction with The Billfish Foundation and the American Sportfishing Association, entered into a memorandum with the Blue Water Fishermen’s Association (which represents longliners), pursuant to which 160,000 square miles of US waters would be permanently closed to longlining, additional time and area closures would be instituted, the size of the longline fleet would be reduced by 30% and longliners would be required to participate in an extended study aimed at reducing bycatch. The permanently closed area would stretch from the North Carolina/South Carolina border to Key West, Florida, an area identified in Billfish Foundation studies as the U.S. region accounting for the greatest incidence of sub-legal swordfish and billfish bycatch. (Early this year, CCA opposed NMFS’s original proposal of a seasonal closure encompassing only the Florida Straits, since we realized that the more extensive closure provided by the current agreement was not only possible, but necessary.) Large areas in the northern and western Gulf of Mexico will also be subject to seasonal closures. As part of the agreement, the longline fleet will be reduced by approximately 30% through buyouts. 50% of the money for the buyouts will come from the federal government. The remaining costs will be shared equally by the remaining participants in the longline fishery and by anglers fishing in the closed areas (or by state governments assuming the anglers’ share). While the agreement is, in the words of Walter Fondren, CCA’s Chairman, "maybe the biggest conservation measure for offshore fisheries ever," it is, as he acknowledges, only a "step in the right direction." CCA, other conservation organizations and the longliners themselves will now go to the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and request that similar conservation measures be implemented in international waters. Such international management is essential, since about 95% of Atlantic billfish mortality, and most mortality of juvenile swordfish, is caused by foreign longliners. For the agreement to become effective, it must be approved by Congress. CCA has already lined up a list of influential sponsors and cosponsors in both the House and the Senate. Unfortunately, a negative campaign with some false information regarding the agreement is encouraging anglers to ask their Congressman to oppose the deal. Since any piece of legislation is a very delicate construct, that campaign could succeed. Therefore, CCA NY members are being provided with the following information so that, properly informed, they can spread the truth regarding the agreement: Vessels that are "bought out" of the longline fishery will not be able to enter any other commercial fishery. Such vessels are federally documented. Pursuant to the buyout agreement, not only the vessels’ longline permits, but also the commercial fishing endorsement in their documentation, will be purchased. After such purchase, the vessels may be used as dive boats, party boats, whale-watchers, oil-rig tenders or any other purpose except commercial fishing for the rest of their working lives. The buyout will substantially reduce effort in the domestic swordfish fishery. Longliners remaining after the buyout have agreed to support, at ICCAT, at 10-year rebuilding plan for swordfish, and will insist that American negotiators press for such a plan. Since a 10-year rebuilding plan will require harvest reductions of at least 27%, both the reduction in fleet size and the reduction in harvest will be roughly proportional. The remaining longline vessels will not reap a significantly larger share of the swordfish quota. There should be little displacement of longline effort from the closed areas to the mid-Atlantic and New England. The east-coast longline fishery is broken into distinct segments. a) Longliners in the Gulf of Mexico primarily target yellowfin tuna in a short-set, live bait fishery that provides most of the fresh tuna steaks to the eastern United States. Employing methods designed to get fish from the water to the consumer in a matter of hours, Gulf longliners have already agreed that they could remain in local waters and serve their traditional markets under the terms of the agreement. Under the terms of the agreement, they have agreed to participate in a multi-year scientific study of longline bycatch. b) Southeastern longliners primarily target swordfish, and is the group that will be the most affected by the closures. Some may opt to travel from traditional ports, and fish in waters north of the closure line. However, most are expected to accept the buyout offer instead. c) Mid-Atlantic longliners, most operating out of New Jersey, are unique in that they target both swordfish and tuna. They are not expected to be significant participants in the buyout, and their operations will see little immediate impact from the agreement, although they will also participate in a multi-year bycatch study. d) New England longliners are primarily swordfishermen, and comprise a distant waters fleet that frequently fishes for extended periods outside of the EEZ. They will see the least immediate impact from the agreement, and will remain in traditional waters. Vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to re-enter the fishery unless another owner leaves. Because a limited-entry system has been instituted in the longline fishery, the only way such a vessel owner would be able to obtain a permit would be to buy it from another owner who will then no longer be able to fish. A direct ban, without some of agreement from longliners may even hurt the fishery. Longlining is a frighteningly effective and terribly destructive means of catching fish. However, American vessels, fishing under a permit issued by NMFS, are required to obey American fishery management plans even when they fish in international waters. Thus, U.S.-permitted longliners may not retain billfish, fin sharks or commit similar offenses whenever and wherever they fish. A vessel banned in the U.S. might decide to reflag in Trinidad, Haiti, Venezuela or other foreign jurisdiction, and would free such vessels of the restrictions imposed by American law. Since more than 95% of billfish and more than 50% of juvenile swordfish are already killed by foreign-flag boats, an American ban would do virtually nothing to rebuild the fishery, but would end America’s moderating influence. Pursuant to the agreement, vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to reflag in another nation. Armed with the above information, CCA NY members will be able to refute fallacious arguments and urge adoption of the longline agreement-the first real breakthrough in the conservation of highly migratory species since CCA spearheaded the drive to outlaw the sale of Atlantic billfish, more than a decade ago. — Joseph M Tyson Bellport, Long Island
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writes: I remember learning to cook chicken in many, many creative ways for dinner every single day and buying less expensive everything just to squeeze out a few dollars every month when I could buy a few more colors of wools, cottons and a book! Good thing I wasn’t into silk threads in those days!
chicken? whats chicken? LOL mostly do the hambuger thing here, if that….some favorite lo budget dinners here are spaghetti with butter and parmesean, no sauce, but is really alright…mac and cheese and stewed tomatos…plus some others Mona
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After posting to the silk "thread" tonight, I got to thinking about how I managed to buy stash in my early student days when we didn’t have much money for extras. It made me to wonder what other stitchers do to squeeze out money to support an addictive hobby! I remember learning to cook chicken in many, many creative ways for dinner every single day and buying less expensive everything just to squeeze out a few dollars every month when I could buy a few more colors of wools, cottons and a book! Good thing I wasn’t into silk threads in those days! — Lula http://www.woolydream.com Needlework Adventures
Hey, this sounds familiar. I learned how to make a pound of ground beef stretch for a month back when I was first out on my own. Developed a real fondness for beans & legumes, too. And rice, of course. I didn’t have enough money to squeeze out for hobbies then, so I counted on holidays and birthdays for my stash. Now I have a little system for my savings. I have 4 little coin bowls on the counter in my dressing room. Pennies, nickles, dimes & quarters. I sort my change out at night (I leave about 45 cents in my wallet; the rest goes into the bowls). Each time I fill the bowls, I roll the coins and either put the $$ in the bank or spend it on it’s designated purpose: Pennies are for library fines. Nickles are for snacks/sweets like expensive desserts I like to get occasionally. Dimes are for my Buy-a-serger fund. Quarters are for XS and sewing stuff. The only disadvantages are that you have to roll the coins and sometimes the library doesn’t like getting rolled coins–at least, until you remind them that they could be looking at $3.50 in loose coins. Then, suddenly, they’re pretty happy to have the coins all neatly rolled. I refuse to spend $20 on one of those automatic coin-stacker things and I’ve heard they aren’t accurate, so I just have to roll them by hand. Our local grocery store has a machine that will charge you 10 cents on the dollar to roll coins, but I’m not giving away anything! My credit union in pretty nice about supplying me with coin wrappers, and as long as my name & acct number are on the wrappers they don’t mind my turning in coins for deposits. You’d be surprised at how quickly this method adds up. Alicia — X/usa/DBF+3/-/-/5C/1D/X/OH/:-X/P/GG-NG/Wo/DMC/M/B/B/R~/S-/Kc/ E/-*/-*/Patrick Stewart, Mel Gibson/Elizabeth Peters/Everlasting Gobstoppers, Chili Cheese Fritos, chocolate *don’t care one way or the other
We were talking about this some time ago (well, a long time ago) and one stitcher said she adds a few dollars to her grocery bill every time she shops, getting the few dollars back for her stash money. I thought that was a good idea – and use it occasionally myself. Sure helps me resist those impulse buys to help justify adding on a dollar or two to every shopping trip! Carol
Besides setting aside a certain amount from each pay check to support my habit, I also clip coupons and send in rebates. Any $$$ received from those goes straight to the stitching purse. Since I took the time to clip the coupon or send in for the rebate, I consider it my "pay"! Works for me! Sally in WV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After posting to the silk "thread" tonight, I got to thinking about how I managed to buy stash in my early student days when we didn’t have much money for extras. It made me to wonder what other stitchers do to squeeze out money to support an addictive hobby!
Ginger gives me money every week, and then I give it right back to her… 
Plus I pick up something small almost every time I go in there, like a skein of silk…it spreads out the pain a little! I’ve got a Flower Fairy tin box full of nickels and dimes for my framing money, too. (Quarters are for laundry, pennies go to DF’s hobbies.) AustinAnne — Machine shared by Anne Gwin (agwin*AT*mail.utexas.edu) and Nyarlathotep (nyarlathotep*AT*mail.utexas.edu). Sometimes we forget to change the name on the post. <Discussing an image of a black rectangle silhouetted against the Martian landscape "That is the top of the calibration target, that is _not_ in fact a monolith."–NASA TV commentator, 7/5/97 "Fine. Done. Let’s eat." — G’Kar.
2) Make gifts for some co-workers (only the one’s that will appreicate the amount of work involved ) small desk pieces or book marks then I can take my expenses related to that as a business expense.
LOL! in my former life (BK – before kid) i worked in accounting (i love numbers) and did taxes regularly and somehow i don’t think this is a valid "business expense" ; but it did give me a chuckle on a saturday morning!! (Top news story…. cross stitch addiction can land you in jail) <snicker just felt like yanking your chain, have a good weekend! Buttons Visit our family page http://members.aol.com/we3reeds
I have a calednar where I give myself a quarter for each of the following: 1) Exercise 2) Homework 3) Chores 4) Not going out for food while at work (except the morning orange juice and newspaper) 5) Practicing clarinet 6) Stitching for a half an hour on something I’m not fond of At the end of the month, I use half of it to cover part of my layaway at Stitchery Row and the other half goes into my piggy bank and when the bank reaches $100 it goes to helping pay off a credit card. To send e-mail remove "nospam.nospam" from the address. Do not send unsolicited advertising or junk e-mail to this account. Current projects: 2.5 more coasters (an iris, a sunflowers, and some red-orange flower); Oscar the Grouch, the first sampler in my EGA correspondence course; Nancy Whitley’s filigree heart, a beginning Hardanger project kit from anchor designed by Nancy Whitley which is coming out beautifully,You are what you eat, others for a total of 15. GOAL: Complete at least three of the 15 by the end of the month.
With both my DH and I disabled, money is tight. We take ours and some neighbors’ soda and beer recycleables back and the $$ goes into a jar for extras. I work part time but it’s a feast or famine financially. when I have a good month I can spend a bit on needlework, but it has to share with my quilting stash ((-: My husband started to smoke a pipe again ( which I don’t like him to do because of s heart but you know men!) and we agreed that each time he buys a little pouch of tobacco for about $2, I get $2 for my "addiction". I am still waiting for that windfall! Jane
It made me to wonder what other stitchers do to squeeze out money to support an addictive hobby!
I’ve got my dh and in-laws pretty well trained, still working on my side of the family. For birthdays, Christmas, and Mother’s Day I only want one thing — S.E.X. cash or gift certificates (LS, SOCS, or Nordic Needle). I promise to be thrilled when I open the cards and again when I get home from shopping. Joy "Is it so small a thing To have enjoyed the sun, To have lived light in the spring, To have loved, to have thought, To have done?" –M. Arnold
Well, I don’t find ways to squeeze out more money…I usually find ways to make my stash spending seem like less money. For example…have decided I really really want to do Sharon Cohen’s Golden Age Sampler in silks…we’re talking $60-75 here. So I’ve got a shopping list in my wallet, and every time I go to a stitching store for any reason, I’ll pick up one skein of silk. At $3-4 a visit it doesn’t seem like much. And then in a year or so I’ll have all the materials I need to do the sampler. (And maybe in that amount of time I’ll have finished a few UFOs so that I’ll feel better about starting it!) Even DH couldn’t argue too much with that logic Julie — Julie Gritton aka Mommy aka The Secret Pal Godmother Disclaimer: Anything objectionable gets blamed on the 4-year-old. Check out the Stitchers’ Secret Pal Page! http://www.gritton.org/pal
1) I swap stash with friends. Some things I bought and haven’t done and have decided no longer interest me I will trade for something someone else has and no longer wants to do. 2) Make gifts for some co-workers (only the one’s that will appreicate the amount of work involved ) small desk pieces or book marks then I can take my expenses related to that as a business expense. 3) I shop sales. 4) I bought a preferred stitcher card at my local needlework shop. Annual fee of $20, but I get 10% off on all non sale merchandise, and twice a year I get one shopping day with 20% off. ;-) Cindy in PHX
(AChrist787) writes: Having your kids leave home and leave your checkbook is truly a wonderful thing.
Ain’t it the truth? We have four children and had three in college at the same time. We have paid for college for 22 years. Whew! Now my stiching stash is growing with leaps and bounds. Not only is there more money for stitching, there is more time to stitch. Ain’t it just great? Rita in Indiana : ) A little more laughter, a little less worry, a little more kindness, a little less hurry.
I don’t have to worry about it so much now that the kids are all grown and gone, but there was a long spell where we had our souls mortgaged to the orthodontist for 4 kids, and then later when we were paying for college for all four – a total of 10 years with three of them in college at once for 3 years and the twins for the last year. My stash wasn’t nearly what it is now, and I learned to only stitch on one project at a time because that was all I could afford. I bought only what I needed for each project and believe me my stash has burgeoned since then. Having your kids leave home and leave your checkbook is truly a wonderful thing. Smiles…Anne Anne Christopherson "Old roses are full of instructions on how to live right."
writes: I have that little savings bank where I put each 5.-DM coin which occurs to be in my purse after 8 p.m. == sometimes hard (too many coins!) but rewarding!
I also have a change bank – you’d be suprised how fast that change adds up!! Bonnie (Bon-Bon)
It made me to wonder what other stitchers do to squeeze out money to support an addictive hobby!
Hi all! I would clip coupons religiously, then the grocery money saved by couponing became "mine". Double couponing was a real treat! Lee
It made me to wonder what other stitchers do to squeeze out money to support an addictive hobby!
Well, I gave up the hairdresser… let it grow again. It seems that one straight cut every 12 or 24 month will do. And haridresser visits are expensive = makes nice money for stash! I (nearly) gave up eating — no that is not true – I gave up the nonsense- food like chips, salty stitcks, peanuts == some money saved, a lot of weight lost ! I asked each and everybody to sponsor my addiction with donations of pure mere money instead of flowers/ sweets/ other gifts for birthday and Christmas. = works fine I have that little savings bank where I put each 5.-DM coin which occurs to be in my purse after 8 p.m. == sometimes hard (too many coins!) but rewarding! and there are hundreds of other ways to pick up some extra money for stash (fibers, fabrics ,books…) The only astonishing thing is that I still want more, more more ) I could bet that there are even more "ingenious" ways of squishing some extra money out …. Share them , please Martina "Ch
Pierre: Yes, accounting can be boring and one dimentional. My partner and I both "quit" the traditional corporate accounting world for that very reason. Additionally, in my opinion, CPA firms are not that exciting either. However, accounting knowledge and experience can catapult you into rewarding and exciting by-product careers. Check out our web site to see what I mean, and don’t hestiate to email me directly for some follow-up discussion. Paulette — SBS Associates, Inc. specializing in accounting and information systems http://www.sbsassociates.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am 15 years old and trying to make plans and decide on a career. I am interested in accounting so I thought I would ask here. I hope you will not mind. Basically, I find accounting interesting, and I like mathematics. So I think a career in accounting would be nice. However, I have a few questions: Accounting seems to require a lot of manual mathematics. Is this true, or does computerisation result in less manual math? From what I’ve seen/read/heard about it, accounting is portrayed as a very dull and boring job. Not only that, accountants themselves are generally thought to be very boring people who never have fun. Is the job truly lousy and does it convert one into a boring person? What is the office atmosphere like? Is it fun or very dull? Are you happy doing it? What are the career prospects like? Does one get to higher positions over the years? I know maybe it’s too early to decide on a career, but I am curious since it may help make up my mind later. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Pierre Theremin.
Ask your local CPA firm for permission to "hang out" in the office for a three days — Noel Nichols Return mail is for Spam
One exciting new field in accounting is accounting information systems consulting. If I could do it over again, I would have gotten a B.S. degree in Computer Science and an MBA with a concentration in accounting. Instead, I have a BS in Finance and an MBA with a concentration in accounting (still not a bad combo).
I have a client that uses the DOS version. They like it. (they use ar/ap/gl/po and payroll. Payroll was recently changed to ABRA because Platinum no longer sells their own. They are not real high on ABRA. I like it because it is btrieved based and we run many audit and analytical reports using Access which reads the files directly using ODBC. We also wrote a simplified bill of material for them that links directly between the live Platinum files and the Access files. I have seen some negative comments on the Windows product but do not have any experience with it. — Karl E. Irvin, CPA - Arlington, Texas
Computers definitely help. The name of the game is to get the job done as efficiently as possible. A boring person will be boring no matter what his or her profession. Maybe you’ve had teachers that knew a lot but just couldn’t get you interested in the subject, and other teachers who have made you want to learn whether you were interested in the subject or not. More reserved accountants "do the numbers." More outgoing accountants bring in the business. An accounting firm needs both. Some people are both. Accounting seems to require a lot of manual mathematics. Is this true, or does computerisation result in less manual math?
Not only that, accountants themselves are – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – generally thought to be very boring people who never have fun. Is the job truly lousy and does it convert one into a boring person? What are the career prospects like? Does one get to higher positions over the years?
Accounting expressions come and go, and currently in vogue seems to be ’shareholder value’. What do you understand by this, and how is it important? My personal take on the term is anything which raises the stock price gives or has positive shareholder value. New organization, new product, new partner any and all can create a perception of increased value over yesterday’s prices. Sue
don’t forget dividend payments … not so common in the US due to the tax regime, I understand, but still the way forward for British companies. These are included in shareholder value measurements, such as "Total shareholder return". — andrew what law am i breaking now?
I’ve seen various interpretations of the expression, the latest being that SV means the net present value of future cash flow, but I don’t know how many years of cash flow that would mean. I have also been told that it certainly does not mean the current market capitalisation of a company.
The net present value of future cash flow should be the current market capitalization (theoretically), which would also be the shareholder value.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve seen various interpretations of the expression, the latest being that SV means the net present value of future cash flow, but I don’t know how many years of cash flow that would mean. I have also been told that it certainly does not mean the current market capitalisation of a company. The net present value of future cash flow should be the current market capitalization (theoretically), which would also be the shareholder value. I understand market capitalisation to mean shares in issue multiplied by the market price. I’ve been told that this approach represents a short term approach to company valuation whereas the projected cash flow is long term.
The above definition of market capitalization is generally accepted as correct (shares issued and outstanding x market price). The second sentence re. short vs. long term is also generally correct although the current market price would include consideration of future cash flows, indeed, some would argue that the current market price reflects ALL currently available public information (some would also add insider information). Market makers won’t know from day to day the projected cash flow. The shareholder value (or stock price multiplied by the number of shares) *should* be the net present value of all projected cash flows, ad infinitum, or until the projected end of the existence of the corporation, if it is known that the company will be of limited duration.
I think that this is overly simplistic. It is true that one method of valuing publicly traded shares is to base the calculation on the dividend stream in perpetuity (or the projected end of the corporation as you state). Keep in mind that the farther you go out from today the less impact those future cash flows will have on the value – indeed, it quickly approaches an insignificant amount depending on the discount rate applied. Market value can be affected by MANY factors that don’t involve cash flow – can you say Bre-X? The discounted cash flow valuation approach (as distinct from dividend stream) is another method of valuing shares of a company – however, so is tangible asset backing, capitalized maintainable earnings, modified tangible asset value, liquidation value, rules of thumb etc., etc. There is also a significant difference between the valuation of a public and a private company. Too many to go into here. [snip investment discussion] — Carl
I wish my 25 year old kid wrote as well as you do !!! Good luck kid. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am 15 years old and trying to make plans and decide on a career. I am interested in accounting so I thought I would ask here. I hope you will not mind. Basically, I find accounting interesting, and I like mathematics. So I think a career in accounting would be nice. However, I have a few questions: Accounting seems to require a lot of manual mathematics. Is this true, or does computerisation result in less manual math? From what I’ve seen/read/heard about it, accounting is portrayed as a very dull and boring job. Not only that, accountants themselves are generally thought to be very boring people who never have fun. Is the job truly lousy and does it convert one into a boring person? What is the office atmosphere like? Is it fun or very dull? Are you happy doing it? What are the career prospects like? Does one get to higher positions over the years? I know maybe it’s too early to decide on a career, but I am curious since it may help make up my mind later. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Pierre Theremin.
Accounting expressions come and go, and currently in vogue seems to be ’shareholder value’. What do you understand by this, and how is it important?
Accounting expressions come and go, and currently in vogue seems to be ’shareholder value’. What do you understand by this, and how is it important?
My personal take on the term is anything which raises the stock price gives or has positive shareholder value. New organization, new product, new partner any and all can create a perception of increased value over yesterday’s prices. Sue
don’t forget dividend payments … not so common in the US due to the tax regime, I understand, but still the way forward for British companies. These are included in shareholder value measurements, such as "Total shareholder return". andrew what law am i breaking now?
I’ve seen various interpretations of the expression, the latest being that SV means the net present value of future cash flow, but I don’t know how many years of cash flow that would mean. I have also been told that it certainly does not mean the current market capitalisation of a company. Apparently the use of SV is intended to tackle the way trying to satisfy stockmarket short termism can be harmful to a company in the longer term. I look forward to seeing more comments on this thread. Roger
I would suggest looking at the web pages of the accounting firms, www.gt.com www.anderson.com www.bestcpa.com These should give you a good insight – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 15 years old and trying to make plans and decide on a career. I am interested in accounting so I thought I would ask here. I hope you will not mind. Basically, I find accounting interesting, and I like mathematics. So I think a career in accounting would be nice. However, I have a few questions: Accounting seems to require a lot of manual mathematics. Is this true, or does computerisation result in less manual math? From what I’ve seen/read/heard about it, accounting is portrayed as a very dull and boring job. Not only that, accountants themselves are generally thought to be very boring people who never have fun. Is the job truly lousy and does it convert one into a boring person? What is the office atmosphere like? Is it fun or very dull? Are you happy doing it? What are the career prospects like? Does one get to higher positions over the years? I know maybe it’s too early to decide on a career, but I am curious since it may help make up my mind later. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Pierre Theremin.
Hi, I am 15 years old and trying to make plans and decide on a career. I am interested in accounting so I thought I would ask here. I hope you will not mind. Basically, I find accounting interesting, and I like mathematics. So I think a career in accounting would be nice. However, I have a few questions: Accounting seems to require a lot of manual mathematics. Is this true, or does computerisation result in less manual math? From what I’ve seen/read/heard about it, accounting is portrayed as a very dull and boring job. Not only that, accountants themselves are generally thought to be very boring people who never have fun. Is the job truly lousy and does it convert one into a boring person? What is the office atmosphere like? Is it fun or very dull? Are you happy doing it? What are the career prospects like? Does one get to higher positions over the years? I know maybe it’s too early to decide on a career, but I am curious since it may help make up my mind later. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Pierre Theremin.
Note from Hammell: Following my comments is the latest in a series of very alarming press releases which consumers of dietary supplements and herbs, all over the world should be aware of. Tony Martinez just forwarded this to me. PharmaPrint Inc. is very bad news. They intend to drive natural herbs out of the marketplace to clear the way for themselves to make huge profits by selling patented analogs, as is already happening in Europe. They intend to sell their patented so called "BioPrinting" process to other pharmaceutical firms. Please do not be complacent about this. We must all fight back! Note what is said here (towards end of article below) "PharmaPrint is the only developer and manufacturer of patented pharmaceutical versions of multimolecule herbal medicines. Management expects to introduce a succession of new pharmaceuticals originating from widely demanded, but scientifically UNTESTED and UNREGULATED herbal products." (my emphasis, these herbs have only been used by millions of people for thousands of years and these greed driven people have the colossal gall to call them "untested"???) The so called "Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels" (created when DSHEA was gutted by Waxman) is currently considering creating a separate regulatory category for herbals and botanicals. (p.3 of the official minutes from the Commission on Dietary Supplement Labels, Meeting #5, September 19-20, 1996, Sheraton Hotel, Reston VA. If this new category is created, it would create a very slippery slope for all other dietary supplements. Given the overt WHO backing of PharmaPrint Inc.,this is clearly a Codex harmonization effort. PharmaPrint announced in an earlier press release (PR Newswire, Dec.4, 1996 "New Technology, Global Initiative to Bring Herbal Medicines into Modern Medical Science Announced by World Health Organization Today) that they have the complete backing of WHO in their efforts to create patentable analog products from the world’s most popular herbs. Is this good for consumers? The FDC Tan Sheets (Dec.2, ‘96) stated that PharmaPrint has entered into a joint venture with University of Miami to patent an analog of saw palmetto berry extract (which according to them, "consumers are currently using on an unregulated basis".) They want to put their patented version through controlled clinical trials. After they spend the money to do this, you can be sure they will seek to protect their investment and will do everything in their power to sweep the natural product off the shelves. The latest PharmaPrint press release follows, and the best way to strike back is to use the attached file or download my Codex Report from Bonn from http://www.lef.org and forward it to more people so we can build the coalition necessary to fight back. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -PharmaPrint names former Regency Health CFO Jim Wodach chief financial officer Business Editors IRVINE, Calif.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Dec. 18, 1996–PharmaPrint Inc. (NASDAQ:PPRT) Wednesday announced the appointment of well-known industry financial executive James R. Wodach as senior vice president and chief financial officer as part of the company’s stated plans to expand management in key areas. President and Chief Executive Officer Elliot Friedman said: "Jim adds a new dimension to our management team. He has tremendous experience working with high-growth companies, and we intend to use his experience as we execute our expected licensing of the PharmaPrinting technology to other pharmaceutical companies. "Just as important, Jim has a distinguished track record in financial management, not only in drug discovery but also health service operations, adding a unique, broad perspective to our strategic planning and financial systems." Wodach was formerly director of finance of Paragon Biomedical Inc., a company that provides contract research services for the pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries. Prior to Paragon, Wodach served in various capacities, including senior vice president finance and chief financial officer for Regency Health Services Inc., a New York Stock Exchange company. Wodach, a certified public accountant, has 12 years of experience in the health-care industry. PharmaPrint is the only developer and manufacturer of patented pharmaceutical versions of multimolecule herbal medicines. Management expects to introduce a succession of new pharmaceuticals originating from widely demanded, but scientifically untested and unregulated herbal products. The company also markets its PharmaPrinting technology to other pharmaceutical companies. PharmaPrinting was developed over the course of 20 years at the University of Southern California, which still owns an interest in the company. For more information on PharmaPrint Inc. via facsimile at no cost, simply call 800/PRO-INFO and dial client code 285. –30–RJ/la* RPL/la CONTACT: PharmaPrint Inc., Irvine James Burgess, 714/224-2555 or Financial Relations Board, Los Angeles Moira Conlon, 310/442-0599 (investor/analyst contact) Steven Seiler, 310/442-0599 (media) KEYWORD: CALIFORNIA INDUSTRY KEYWORD: PHARMACEUTICAL BIOTECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT CHANGES MEDICINE Copyright 1996 Business Wire. All rights reserved.
John Hammell, Political Coordinator,Life Extension Foundation Please Snowball My Codex Report From Bonn Download from http://www.lef.org Join Us To DEFEND Health Freedom INTERNATIONALLY!!!
Hammell) writes: They intend to drive natural herbs out of the marketplace to clear the way for themselves to make huge profits by selling patented analogs, as is already happening in Europe. They intend to sell their patented so called "BioPrinting" process to other pharmaceutical firms. Please do not be complacent about this. We must all fight back!
This information re Codex has been discussed for some time in myAR/ vegetarian list. I saw the national news a while back where this anaolg and patenting process was announced with great glee, like they had discovered a cure for AIDS. As one who is never ceased to be amazed at the stupidity and gullibility of most ppl, I have every reason to believe that this could happen. As usual, the bottom line is $$ not health. Next think ya know, they’ll be telling us we can’t smoke cannabis leaves. ~Velvet O’Rourke~ Sacramento, California