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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day. OK Dave, explain it one more time please.  I have noticed it is there when I fly the red-eye between Wellington & Auckland in the morning but not there on the afternoon return flight. IMOE it is "flat spots" in the tyres from standing and cooling down. The deformed shape "sets".   Once they get moving and warm up somewhat, the thumping disappears.

Yep, right answer. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service – become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/

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Happened back in the late 50s/early 60s too, cant remember what a/c type, Electra, or similar, in all likelihood.

I have a dim recollection  it was a DC-4 on that occasion. But the bottom line is that it *has* happened. At least twice. Cheers.

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I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day. OK Dave, explain it one more time please.  I have noticed it is there when I fly the red-eye between Wellington & Auckland in the morning but not there on the afternoon return flight.

Tyre develops a flat spot if you leave it parked long enough The thumping is the flat spot on the tyre thumping the tarmac. Once the tyre warms up a little, and spins around a few hundred times, the tyre is again round, and the noise disappears

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I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day. OK Dave, explain it one more time please.  I have noticed it is there when I fly the red-eye between Wellington & Auckland in the morning but not there on the afternoon return flight.

IMOE it is "flat spots" in the tyres from standing and cooling down. The deformed shape "sets".   Once they get moving and warm up somewhat, the thumping disappears. Used to be a problem with cross-ply car tyres and the nylon in the sidewalls.  In fact, it should still be a problem with those tyres …

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Trev, Nice to hear from the ex "local". You are right of course but it doesn’t seem to stop them lining up on the Hwy. Up past Morphettville the Hwy does veer left and run parallel to RWY 05 but I doubt if the PICs could have seen that far up the Hwy. How long since you’ve been back to AD Trev, you probably wouldn’t recognise the beach front south of the "Pat". Beach front multi story buildings down to Magic Mountain with further buildings planned down to the Town Hall. Just as an aside, had an early morning Qantas B767 from Darwin arriving before first light a few years ago. CAVOK, PIC said he had the aerodrome in sight at about 15 miles NW and was given a vector to intercept final from the NW. Aircraft merrily sailed through final and continued to the SE. I asked the PIC if there was a problem at about the same time as the a/c banked sharply to the left to regain final. He had mistaken the Marino Light House for the ABN. I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions from that one.

Hello Stephen, yes that Marino lighthouse is a trap for the  unwary, coming in from the west at night (as I have done on many occasions after working for my ride loading/unloading newspapers at PLC & KSC), the Marino lighthouse is much more visible than the beacon at YPAD. And the fact that the Marino lighthouse is surrounded by an area that has no other lights it looks pretty much like an airport from a distance. One day, an aircraft was having trouble identifying the airport visually, and the controller said to him something alongs the lines of "its the big dark bit with the beacon in the middle" That describes Marino better than YPAD! But what about having some lead in strobes with HIAL for the 05 approach? what a nice addition that would be:-) All those (construction) cranes at Glenelg have enough strobes on them:-) Ben Matthes. Canberra, Australia. Aircraft Manager, Canberra Aero Club. http://www.canberra-aeroclub.com.au/

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No problems with any of what you have said, as I have mentioned before, I used to have a PPL (no longer do, mainly due to cost constraints) Mr Proctor if you once held an Australian Pilot’s licence then I can assure you that, regardless of what you think, you actually still hold a licence. They have been permanent for more than 5 years now.

This was back in the late 80’s. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service – become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/

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    Dave The fact remains that not everyone on board is a seasoned     Dave traveller, and this needs to be borne in mind by those     Dave operating the aircraft.  Someone in a window seat who sees     Dave the earth rapidly approaching, and then all of a sudden     Dave experiencing a dramatic increase in power and the aircraft     Dave climbing, may regard this as a scary experience. I have had conversations with people along the lines of: Them: "we almost crashed, we were about to land, but then the aircraft started climbing again…" Me: "…no, it is unlikely you were about to crash… go arounds are a normal safety procedure." Them: "this wasn’t normal, we were climbing so steeply (almost straight up), and besides I heard we were only xx seconds away from colliding with an aircraft on the runway." (I can’t remember the times given, 20 seconds?, but wouldn’t trust it in any case). Nothing I can say will change their opinion that a "steep climb" and "xx seconds" doesn’t mean a "near crash." Also the perception that the aircraft was flying "straight up" (vertical?) is almost certainly incorrect (it wasn’t a space shuttle was it?) . This also highlights that for some passengers, the more information the pilots give can be reassuring, but for other passengers it could potentially make them even more nervous. —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve also heard of pilots aborting approaches because: – they lined up on the highway instead of the runway (Darwin NT, back in the early 90’s – involved a Garuda 767 IIRC) I saw that last year at YBMC in a rainstorm around dusk. <TED HARRISON Maroochydore </TED HARRISON It has happened at least twice in Adelaide when RWY 05 was in use for arrivals. The last was only a few years ago, an Ansett 737 as I recall. The a/c was conducting a RWY 05 VOR approach, in near minimum conditions, and caught sight of Anzac Highway, presumed it was the runway and lined up on the highway. Anzac Highway runs in approx the same direction as RWY 05 and is approx 1nm to the south of RWY 05. Actually there’s around 45 degrees difference between Rwy 05 and the Anzac highway where it reaches the coast. For it’s last three miles or so the highway runs east west down to the coast.

Hi Trev, Nice to hear from the ex "local". You are right of course but it doesn’t seem to stop them lining up on the Hwy. Up past Morphettville the Hwy does veer left and run parallel to RWY 05 but I doubt if the PICs could have seen that far up the Hwy. How long since you’ve been back to AD Trev, you probably wouldn’t recognise the beach front south of the "Pat". Beach front multi story buildings down to Magic Mountain with further buildings planned down to the Town Hall. Just as an aside, had an early morning Qantas B767 from Darwin arriving before first light a few years ago. CAVOK, PIC said he had the aerodrome in sight at about 15 miles NW and was given a vector to intercept final from the NW. Aircraft merrily sailed through final and continued to the SE. I asked the PIC if there was a problem at about the same time as the a/c banked sharply to the left to regain final. He had mistaken the Marino Light House for the ABN. I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions from that one.

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Stealth ( it all seems so hard when you no longer do it ) Pilot

You can’t help commenting on stuff outside your experience, can ya? <g,d,r

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I’ve also heard of pilots aborting approaches because: – they lined up on the highway instead of the runway (Darwin NT, back in the early 90’s – involved a Garuda 767 IIRC)

Many years ago some poor bastard landed at the worng runway at Alice Springs. Must have burnt the brakes stopping.. counld get out due to the lack of runway lenght. They trucked the aircraft to the correct runway for the departure.. It was a Canberra!!! (Bet that f**ked  his career!!

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  I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those   seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start   taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day.   OK Dave, explain it one more time please.  I have noticed it is there when I fly the red-eye between Wellington & Auckland in the morning but not there on the afternoon return flight. — If you’re under control you’re not going fast enough Mike Butler                  Wellington NZ Ella ADX Kelpie              New Zealand Dog Agility on the Web                               http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~mbutler/nala/ Ben BC X Doing agility where there are no contacts

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve also heard of pilots aborting approaches because: – they lined up on the highway instead of the runway (Darwin NT, back in the early 90’s – involved a Garuda 767 IIRC) I saw that last year at YBMC in a rainstorm around dusk. <TED HARRISON Maroochydore </TED HARRISON It has happened at least twice in Adelaide when RWY 05 was in use for arrivals. The last was only a few years ago, an Ansett 737 as I recall. The a/c was conducting a RWY 05 VOR approach, in near minimum conditions, and caught sight of Anzac Highway, presumed it was the runway and lined up on the highway. Anzac Highway runs in approx the same direction as RWY 05 and is approx 1nm to the south of RWY 05.

Actually there’s around 45 degrees difference between Rwy 05 and the Anzac highway where it reaches the coast. For it’s last three miles or so the highway runs east west down to the coast. — Trevor Fenn There are too many zz’s in my email address above. Take two zz’s and email me in the morning. "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just"                           The Star Spangled Banner                             Francis Scott Key                    

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No problems with any of what you have said, as I have mentioned before, I used to have a PPL (no longer do, mainly due to cost constraints)

Mr Proctor if you once held an Australian Pilot’s licence then I can assure you that, regardless of what you think, you actually still hold a licence. They have been permanent for more than 5 years now. If you are at all interested then apply to CASA for a reissue.(it is free, the ICAO format plastic book to hold them costs $10) the licence attests for ever of your competent knowledge. if you wish to exercise that knowledge then all you require is a current BFR and a medical. it has never been easier to exercise the priveleges of a pilot’s licence ….regardless of the bullshit published on aus.avaition. ..of course getting to know the homebuilt end of the environment can put you back in the air for life for less than the cost of a new car. But it is still nice to have some information from the flight crew *when they get the chance* if for no other reason than to reassure those once-a-decade passengers who do not realise such things. I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day.

forgotten to undo the tiedowns? the concrete one on the tail does make a frightening noise as it drags across the sprinklers luckily the pegs used on the wings just drag out quietly until you hit the taxiway I always find that hard to explain with a straight face. The fact remains that not everyone on board is a seasoned traveller, and this needs to be borne in mind by those operating the aircraft.

I can sympathise. I had to do a go around myself today. 15 knot gusting headwind and it just wouldnt three point nicely, even decided to float despite me being on the back side of the power curve. I was beside myself but strangely we were communicating telepathically really well. "oh thats a bloody awful approach" "well bloody well power on and go around" "yeah thats not a bad idea, make it so mr sulu" I wasnt happy so an hour or so later I went out again. I was circling over freo watching the stars and stripes flying from a departing frigate and just beside it the sail training ship leeuwin decided to set sail and cruise out as well. very picturesque. must have been what I needed because I didnt need a go around on the final flight. Stealth ( it all seems so hard when you no longer do it ) Pilot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, this thread has the wrong title. You may need to explain why you carried out a go around, but you’ll only need an excuse if you continue an approach from which you should have gone around. Some more basic rules of aviation:    if you think you’re high, then you’re probably very high,    if you think you’re low, then you’re probably very low,    if the thought ’speedbrake’ crosses your mind, then you need all of it, and 10 seconds ago and,    if ‘go around’ starts to creep into the head, then do it, ‘cos you should. Passengers don’t thank you for saving an approach. They expect to get from a to b safely, and if a go around becomes part of that equation then so be it. Company accountants don’t come out and berate you going around (though I’m sure some would like to). It’s rather a pity that the media have beaten go arounds up as a dangerous event, when they are almost certainly removing you from the scene of something that is actually dangerous. I have fond memories of my first ever solo approach in a Skyhawk…it was a go around when the sink rate got out of hand.

No problems with any of what you have said, as I have mentioned before, I used to have a PPL (no longer do, mainly due to cost constraints) so *I* understand where you are coming from as far as the go-around being the safest option. But it is still nice to have some information from the flight crew *when they get the chance* if for no other reason than to reassure those once-a-decade passengers who do not realise such things. I have lost track of the times where I have explained to those seating next to me why we get a thumping noise when we start taxiing on the first flight that aircraft has operated that day. The fact remains that not everyone on board is a seasoned traveller, and this needs to be borne in mind by those operating the aircraft. Someone in a window seat who sees the earth rapidly approaching, and then all of a sudden experiencing a dramatic increase in power and the aircraft climbing, may regard this as a scary experience. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service – become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/

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Actually, this thread has the wrong title. You may need to explain why you carried out a go around, but you’ll only need an excuse if you continue an approach from which you should have gone around. Some more basic rules of aviation:     if you think you’re high, then you’re probably very high,     if you think you’re low, then you’re probably very low,     if the thought ’speedbrake’ crosses your mind, then you need all of it, and 10 seconds ago and,     if ‘go around’ starts to creep into the head, then do it, ‘cos you should. Passengers don’t thank you for saving an approach. They expect to get from a to b safely, and if a go around becomes part of that equation then so be it. Company accountants don’t come out and berate you going around (though I’m sure some would like to). It’s rather a pity that the media have beaten go arounds up as a dangerous event, when they are almost certainly removing you from the scene of something that is actually dangerous. I have fond memories of my first ever solo approach in a Skyhawk…it was a go around when the sink rate got out of hand. JB

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And as far as telling pax – that’s REAL good news.   Not enuff of that from most flight decks. Many years ago, while flying from Amsterdam to Jo’burg (SAA), first stop was Paris where half-a-dozen people suddenly swarmed over one of the outer engines. Cowlings off, heads down, bums up – not a peep from up-front. If you happened to be a nervous pax it would have been very worrying. Back in 1999, flying from BNE to PER, had an aborted T/O due to a faulty hydraulic valve. We were talked through the problem from start to finish. Something I really appreciated..

Several years ago, I was a passenger in a 727*  departing Sydney to Brisbane with very strong winds and a big crosswind component.  A fair way into the take-off roll, there were three very big bangs that shook the aircraft, about one second apart.  Lots of passengers looking around at each other with big rabbit eyes.  About five minutes later (I guess the captain had been busy checking things out) he came on and told us it was a compressor stall and relatively common in high cross-wind situations. Nick * (gee, can that be right?  When did 727s last fly in Aust?  Maybe it was a DC-10. I clearly remember it had a central engine.)

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Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot?

Couple of weeks ago an Australian 767 went round due incapacitation of the pilot. He was OK again by the time the second approach was set up. Alan

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Last time I had a go around, that’s almost verbatim what I told the passengers. It was a really windy, rough, day, and I simply said that I wasn’t happy with the approach. Thinking back a year or two, we’ve had:    lightning strike and all of the runway lights went out    not visual at minima (during the typhoon in HK)    previous aircraft aborted (767 in Mel)    previous aircraft too slow to get going (VB in Sydney) Just tell the passengers what happened. JB

Sounds reasonable.   A lot of the stuff I did was into 1-way strips.  No go-around possible.   However, if a go-around was possible and things had gone pear shaped well, why not?   A bit more experience…… accompanied by And as far as telling pax – that’s REAL good news.   Not enuff of that from most flight decks.

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And as far as telling pax – that’s REAL good news.   Not enuff of that from most flight decks.

Many years ago, while flying from Amsterdam to Jo’burg (SAA), first stop was Paris where half-a-dozen people suddenly swarmed over one of the outer engines. Cowlings off, heads down, bums up – not a peep from up-front. If you happened to be a nervous pax it would have been very worrying. Back in 1999, flying from BNE to PER, had an aborted T/O due to a faulty hydraulic valve. We were talked through the problem from start to finish. Something I really appreciated..

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Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot? Couple of weeks ago an Australian 767 went round due incapacitation of the pilot. He was OK again by the time the second approach was set up. Alan

Probably just having a good sneezing fit Stephen

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I’ve also heard of pilots aborting approaches because: – they lined up on the highway instead of the runway (Darwin NT, back in the early 90’s – involved a Garuda 767 IIRC) I saw that last year at YBMC in a rainstorm around dusk. <TED HARRISON Maroochydore </TED HARRISON

It has happened at least twice in Adelaide when RWY 05 was in use for arrivals. The last was only a few years ago, an Ansett 737 as I recall. The a/c was conducting a RWY 05 VOR approach, in near minimum conditions, and caught sight of Anzac Highway, presumed it was the runway and lined up on the highway. Anzac Highway runs in approx the same direction as RWY 05 and is approx 1nm to the south of RWY 05. Happened back in the late 50s/early 60s too, cant remember what a/c type, Electra, or similar, in all likelihood. In Adelaide it seems the most common reason for making a missed approach is because of an "unstable approach" condition. A couple of years ago I had six missed approaches by B737s in 20 minutes due to a front passing through the aerodrome and the associated wind sheer. Most of the time it seems to be because the approach becomes unstable because of Wx conditions. Very very occasionally the approach is mishandled by the pilot/ ATC or a preceding landing or departing aircraft takes an unusually long time to leave the runway. Animals, birds, trespassers, unintentional runway incursions by vehicles, personnel and aircraft have all caused missed approaches or "go rounds". Even had an instructor once tell me that he was going around because of a flock of penguins on final, I think he meant pelicans. Anyway we had a good look for the penguins anyway. Now that would have made the newspapers. Cheers Stephen

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Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot?

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Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot?

There are all sorts of reasons, but the most common is that the pilot ?PIC is not satisfied that the approach is stable and correct in all respects. No other excuse/reason is needed. JD

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Last time I had a go around, that’s almost verbatim what I told the passengers. It was a really windy, rough, day, and I simply said that I wasn’t happy with the approach. Thinking back a year or two, we’ve had:     lightning strike and all of the runway lights went out     not visual at minima (during the typhoon in HK)     previous aircraft aborted (767 in Mel)     previous aircraft too slow to get going (VB in Sydney) Just tell the passengers what happened. JB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot? There are all sorts of reasons, but the most common is that the pilot ?PIC is not satisfied that the approach is stable and correct in all respects. No other excuse/reason is needed. JD

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Just reading on a.net about some go around experience and was wondering what type of excuses/reasons pilots have given for the go-around. Animals on the runway, wind change etc etc… bored pilot?

Bored?  Heheh – if a pilot started doing go-arounds just because of boredom they’d be looking for a new job pretty soon.  I flew RPT and general charter at one stage in my life and the schedule is "God" as far as the pilot is concerned – and you’d want to have a pretty good excuse for aborting anything (take off, landing, your shout at the bar…) if you want to keep your career and promotion path alive But as JD said, in a perfect world the only reason needed would be the PIC wasn’t satisfied (for whatever reason) with the approach and decided to have another crack at it.  In my experience that can be any (or all) of the following; – runway infringement (car/plane/animal/person/drunk local on motor bike) – just plain screwed up the approach (too fast/slow/high/low, mis-judged the crosswind when turning final and finding yourself pointing at the control tower…during the inital onslaught of a cyclone tho – honest!) – ATC instruction – out of tolerance on an instrument approach (one that springs to mind: ILS into Alice Springs one night -5am in winter- in heavy cloud after a 10hr duty and 6 hr flight….ugh!) – forgot to put the gear down (I was doing training and had <1hr on retractables…oops! Glad I had an instructor on board.) I’ve also heard of pilots aborting approaches because: – they lined up on the highway instead of the runway (Darwin NT, back in the early 90’s – involved a Garuda 767 IIRC) – they realised the were about to land at the wrong homestead (RFDS pilots – c’mon speak up! You know who you are!! ) Does that satisfy your curiosity? Take care. James — Fortune cookies says: In every hierarchy the cream rises until it sours.                 — Dr. Laurence J. Peter

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I work in Canada for a $4.5-$6 million company. We also have two locations (Waterloo, ON and Richmond Hill, ON). Our Waterloo office is the head office and it uses Great Plains Dynamic as our accounting application. We currently pay atleast $3000 on maintenance and upgrades. Apparently next year we will need to upgrade this product entirely to MS SQL Server. This is going to cost us an additional $7000 (server, upgrade, etc.) plus ongoing maintenance and upgrades. I was wondering if there is an alternative that will match our needs? We need to do the following: *Consolidate two companies into one *Do payroll for atleast 70 employees *Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) *Compare actuals to budgets (monthly, year to date and lytd basis) We are looking to cut costs, but still run our day to day operations. Thanks in advance.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work in Canada for a $4.5-$6 million company. We also have two locations (Waterloo, ON and Richmond Hill, ON). Our Waterloo office is the head office and it uses Great Plains Dynamic as our accounting application. We currently pay atleast $3000 on maintenance and upgrades. Apparently next year we will need to upgrade this product entirely to MS SQL Server. This is going to cost us an additional $7000 (server, upgrade, etc.) plus ongoing maintenance and upgrades. I was wondering if there is an alternative that will match our needs? We need to do the following: *Consolidate two companies into one *Do payroll for atleast 70 employees *Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) *Compare actuals to budgets (monthly, year to date and lytd basis) We are looking to cut costs, but still run our day to day operations. Thanks in advance.

one suggestion – look for reviews from publications with some objectivity (if that’s possible!)  such as AICPA’s Journal of Accountantcy article on mid level accounting software – http://www.aicpa.org/pubs/jofa/may2002/jones.htm it includes solomon / MS great plains Carillon Pettit & Co.  Epicor Epicor Software Computer Associates

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A business has been using cash-based accounting for both internal tracking as well as for paying taxes, but then decides to switch to accrual-based accounting for internal tracking only (and continue to pay taxes on cash-based system).  Is there a legitimate fear that the IRS could discover the accrual-based books and then demand that the business switch to accrual reporting for taxes purposes?  That is, can a company safely keep two sets of books, one for paying taxes and one for internal tracking.  Of course, both are completely truthful, just a different way of matching expenses and income. thanks, MJH

generally if you sell a product with inventory you must use accrual

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A business has been using cash-based accounting for both internal tracking as well as for paying taxes, but then decides to switch to accrual-based accounting for internal tracking only (and continue to pay taxes on cash-based system).  Is there a legitimate fear that the IRS could discover the accrual-based books and then demand that the business switch to accrual reporting for taxes purposes?  That is, can a company safely keep two sets of books, one for paying taxes and one for internal tracking.  Of course, both are completely truthful, just a different way of matching expenses and income.

The only thing that matters as far as the IRS is concerned is that the company uses (for tax reporting) the correct accounting method for that company. It does not matter how many different methods the company uses for internal reporting.  This is the United State of America, the place where freedom rings. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thanks, MJH

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A business has been using cash-based accounting for both internal tracking as well as for paying taxes, but then decides to switch to accrual-based accounting for internal tracking only (and continue to pay taxes on cash-based system).  Is there a legitimate fear that the IRS could discover the accrual-based books and then demand that the business switch to accrual reporting for taxes purposes?  That is, can a company safely keep two sets of books, one for paying taxes and one for internal tracking.  Of course, both are completely truthful, just a different way of matching expenses and income. thanks, MJH

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3 Replacing such machineries which require heavy maintenance -buy on e-bay used or new equipment

OT, but doesn’t NASA do this w/ parts for their really old Amiga computers?? -=john=-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – plz help me out with this case i need to prepare a presentation for my university i need urgently within a day Situation u r working as Cost Accounting in a large manufacturing organization. After working for few months u have analysed the product’s cost is higher then other manufactures. the production director is also concerned about the problem and requested u to analyse this situation further and give a presentation in front of top executives about how to control the cost ur presentation should cover the following areas 1 Reducing overheades for controlling costs 2 Controlling wastage of material to reduce costs 3 Replacing such machineries which require heavy maintenance 4 Improving accounting system for proper recording of costs 5 controlling labour costs (Use imaginary details)

if u knead it ina day u r skrued Learn to spell. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA, PC Athens, Georgia — Paul A. Thomas, CPA, PC Athens, Georgia

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I think that an accountant alone will not find the solutions.  You need to talk to the shop floor personnel and ask suggestions on improving efficiencies they are the ones who are involved day in and day out.  Better yet, the accountant should spend some time out on the floor to gain an appreciation of what is at hand.  In order to figure out how to cut costs, the person in charge of cutting costs needs to have a very good understanding of the manufacturing process.  The reason for this is what may look good on ‘paper’ may not actually work on the shop floor. — P.S.:  Have a beer on me!    |            Miller Lite         || |____

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – plz help me out with this case i need to prepare a presentation for my university i need urgently within a day Situation u r working as Cost Accounting in a large manufacturing organization. After working for few months u have analysed the product’s cost is higher then other manufactures. the production director is also concerned about the problem and requested u to analyse this situation further and give a presentation in front of top executives about how to control the cost ur presentation should cover the following areas 1 Reducing overheades for controlling costs 2 Controlling wastage of material to reduce costs 3 Replacing such machineries which require heavy maintenance 4 Improving accounting system for proper recording of costs 5 controlling labour costs (Use imaginary details)

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1 Reducing overheades for controlling costs

-hire stupid university students at minimum wage – part-time -get rid of the baby boomers with fat salaries -cut down on electrical consumption, turn down the temperature a couple of degrees -buy at cosco the office supplies, or even Walmart. 2 Controlling wastage of material to reduce costs

-resell extra material to recycle depots -calculate using CAD software the exact quantity of materials required -calculate and develop an inventory of exactly what is being wasted to determine where to cut costs 3 Replacing such machineries which require heavy maintenance

-rent, lease expensive equipment -hire part-time technician to fix equipment and maintain them -buy on e-bay used or new equipment -decide to make or buy based on cost scenarios -outsource the production that uses the heavy maintenance 4 Improving accounting system for proper recording of costs

-purchase great plains software, or business visions, or even crapbooks pro fo $300, otherwise get a pirated free version! -develop a system of collecting source documents from different department, let them consolidate the data on excel and email you the totals per weekend. 5 controlling labour costs

- hire students on coop – hire part-time employees – add other incentives such as options, shares, commission – hire people in China and India or Africa to do the work – get volunteers There are billions of other things you can do man!!! this is all common sense crap.

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plz help me out with this case i need to prepare a presentation for my university i need urgently within a day Situation u r working as Cost Accounting in a large manufacturing organization. After working for few months u have analysed the product’s cost is higher then other manufactures. the production director is also concerned about the problem and requested u to analyse this situation further and give a presentation in front of top executives about how to control the cost ur presentation should cover the following areas 1 Reducing overheades for controlling costs 2 Controlling wastage of material to reduce costs 3 Replacing such machineries which require heavy maintenance 4 Improving accounting system for proper recording of costs 5 controlling labour costs (Use imaginary details)

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Benny wrote: > I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great.

I am 60 years old.  I have been married four times, twice to the same woman (#1 & #4; the mother of my children).  My grown children are 30 and 31.   Each produced a grandchild last year.  Our daughter lives literally next door.  I’m having dinner at her place in an hour or so.  Our son lives in the nearest large town, about 45 minutes away. I can’t tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I would do.   I would be rent a U Haul and head for Cleveland.   I have experienced nothing in this life as miserable as living with an unhappy woman.   I have experienced nothing as wonderful as living with a happy woman, with the possible exception of playing with my grandchildren. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with > her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law > can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we > constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would > be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland.

Just remember there is a huge difference between spending the weekend with someone and living in the same home town.  It’s usually much easier living in your own house and in your own space, than living with your in-laws. You mightn’t find it nearly so bad if you were actually living there in your own place.  Why not try staying in your own accommodation when you go and visit them and see whether this is more tolerable.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: Jim Hudspeth >I am 60 years old.  I have been married four times, twice to the same woman >(#1 & #4; the mother of my children).  My grown children are 30 and 31.   >Each produced a grandchild last year.  Our daughter lives literally next >door.  I’m having dinner at her place in an hour or so.  Our son lives in >the nearest large town, about 45 minutes away. >I can’t tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I would do.   >I would be rent a U Haul and head for Cleveland.   >I have experienced nothing in this life as miserable as living with an >unhappy woman.   >I have experienced nothing as wonderful as living with a happy woman, with >the possible exception of playing with my grandchildren. >– >Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   >http://survivalworks.com

You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it )

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Jadelee111512 wrote: > You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it )

At my age I sure hope so. My wife is spending this weekend at a rented house with a bunch of female nurses from the clinic where she works.  I have the weekend to play (alt.accounting, alt.support.marriage, alt.whatever, New Yorker, Atlantic Monthly, Wall St. Journal, etc., etc.).   I just finished dinner with my daughter & granddaughter at my daughter’s place.  Her husband had to work late.  He just got home.  We had a few very pleasant words & I left.  They need some time. — Jim Hudspeth,

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>From: Jim Hudspeth >> You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it ) >At my age I sure hope so.

Some people never do

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My response: I think this is a serious situation. My aunt married a man and had a child in a town where she was not happy. It never got better and he would not move because he wanted to stay where his mother lived and he liked his job. She stayed until her daugher graduated from high school and then she left. That’s a long time to endur a place you hate. I visited her and I didn’t like it there either. Some places are just not meant for some people. It doesn’t sound like you two really care as much for being with each other as you care about being with your families. I think you should consider a separation and definitely no children until this is sorted out. Or you could move half way in between the families. That way you would each be an hour away from each family. Or move to somewhere completely away from both families. That way you depend on each other for company. So that is my two cents. Benny wrote:

Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her feel guilty for living in Columbus. Also, her mother is constently upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then you’ll do this one thing for me and move." Now, I’ve lived my entire life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this tough situation. Any advice would be great. Thnx, B

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>From: cheron…@webtv.net >I think this is a serious situation. My aunt married a man and had a >child in a town where she was not happy. It never got better and he >would not move because he wanted to stay where his mother lived and he >liked his job. She stayed until her daugher graduated from high school >and then she left. That’s a long time to endur a place you hate. I >visited her and I didn’t like it there either. Some places are just not >meant for some people. It doesn’t sound like you two really care as much >for being with each other as you care about being with your families. I >think you should consider a separation and definitely no children until >this is sorted out. Or you could move half way in between the families. >That way you would each be an hour away from each family. Or move to >somewhere completely away from both families. That way you depend on >each other for company. So that is my two cents.

What happens if that distance happens to be a thousand miles away?  My husband wants to stay here and I want to live where we both came from.

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Jadelee111512 wrote | It appears that the OP has disappeared. | | Hate it when that happens – Michaela

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I think that first you two need to elevate your discourse a little bit. It sounds like she is using some really classic manipulation attacks, e.g. If you really loved me, you would… and I did that for you, now you should do this for me…  Also you say she has changed (she’s not herself in Columbus). Don’t expect her to change change back to what she was 5 years ago It won’t happen. People change, and don’t expect the reasoning of "If only this were fixed everything would be ok again." It doesn’t happen. If she’s unhappy in Columbus, she’ll be unhappy in Cleveland. Just for a different reason. If you shouldn’t have made the assumption that you would be in Columbus the rest of your lives, she shouldn’t have assumed that you wouldn’t be. Have you considered seeing a marriage counselor? If you argue for 4.5 hours and got nowhere, there’s a problem. I think that you need to learn how to productively and jointly solve a problem. The other thing is in either case you would only be a few hours away from the other city. Surely you can find some sort of compromise. Before you can make a good decision about where to live you probably both need to learn how to communicate and fight fair. Tony In article <fd6ac55d.0201180855.1ba90…@posting.google.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - bennyandthej…@yahoo.com (Benny) wrote: > Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 > years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown > after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at > the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 > yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my > hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close > with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs > north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and > sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my > wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, > her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some > part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night > she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland > in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. > Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister > recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always > reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her > feel guilty for living in Columbus.  Also, her mother is constently > upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife > feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me > and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then > you’ll do this one thing for me and move."  Now, I’ve lived my entire > life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in > a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend > lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too > far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family > is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my > mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with > her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law > can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we > constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would > be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. > So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because > she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have > assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. > Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her > feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to > be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to > grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last > night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great. > Thnx, B

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Benny <bennyandthej…@yahoo.com> wrote:

: So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because : she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have : assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Why she thinks you shouldn’t? Has she told you she is unhappy in Columbus? From your post it is very clear she doesn’t feel good, but it is not clear if living where you live is an issue. How about asking her exactly what is not OK with Columbus? If she will insist on leaving, offer her moving to some other place – far away from Columbus AND far away from her family. You are married to her not to her family, if you can’t stand them, don’t move next to them – it will only make matters worse. Tell your wife you don’t want to live next to them, and listen what she will answer. : Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her : feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to : be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to : grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last : night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this : tough situation. Any advice would be great. This ir bad sign, IMHO. She doesn’t feel secure. Maybe her relationships with your relatives in Columbus has some problems? You should discuss your "general life plan" with your wife: how do you plan your careers, how many kids do you plan to have, does she plan to be SOHM, how she feels about changes in her life, what she expects from you and what you expect from her. There are many questions you can ask yourself and then discuss with your wife – and answers for you both absolutely *must* be at least not mutualy exclusive. Place where you live may have nothing to do with your problems at all. Timo — Chamber-pot is spamtrap. Contact me tiwoll at gmx dot net.

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>From: TommyJ >Assuming you would be at least equally unhappy if you moved, I’m siding >a little bit with you, -for now.

That makes little sense to me. >Your wife made the decision to move to >be with you. You didn’t ask her to do that. Although maybe that didn’t >constitute a "life-time" agreement in her mind, moving would be a >drastic change for you that you hadn’t anticipated when you agreed to >get married. She knew what she was getting in to.

Life is about taking risks.  If you don’t take risks then you don’t grow.  It is possible…and of course I am speaking from my own experience that one takes a risk and realizes it was a mistake.  That is the case for me.  I have been here for 8+ years and realize that without the sun and ocean I am often depressed.  Living in sweat clothes 10 months out of the year sucks in my opinion.  Does that mean that I should be forced to stay here until I’m in my 60’s? The point I am making is this:  couples should work together for the good of the relationship.  Whether the issue is moving, finances, in laws or children…the couple should be figuring out how everyone’s needs can be met. If someone is not happy, it should be discussed how they can work together as a team to help that person become happier.  It seems a bit callous to me to hear something like…well, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it. >However, if and/when you have kids, you may want to consider moving if >your wife would be the primary care person for them.

Things don’t magically change for the better once children arrive.  If this woman is not happy now, then they had better figure out what their plans are before getting pregnant! Perhaps no children are in order if they can’t reach an agreement and she really and truly needs to move.  I didn’t realize >how important the support of the extended family can be until we had a >child. Trust me on this one. Assuming her family is physically and >emotionally able to help with the care of your child, being a convenient >distance away can make you and your wife’s life with kids much easier.

I have raised both of my children away from family and have done a wonderful job.  Family is not as crucial in my opinion as being where you want to be.  I raised one child in Calif, where I loved it and one child here, where I hate it and believe me…it makes a world of difference.  And I had no family there or here. >There are lots of other issues at work here though. One concern I’d have >is that you don’t like your mother in law very much and that might be >exacerbated by moving closer and by having kids.

Hehe.  I won’t even touch that issue.  Mother in laws can be rancid even when you live 3000 miles away.  Another thing for your >wife to think about is that a little distance can be a good thing when >there’s conflict in the family. She maybe trading one set of bad >feelings for another if you two move closer to her family and she’s >constantly dealing with the fighting between her mother and sister.

How old is this woman?  I assume she is a grown up and understands the logistics and dynamics involved.  She did, afterall, grow up with them >Perhaps you could agree to a two year trial, your wife may remember some >of the reasons she left had nothing to do with you and be eager to leave >again. On the other hand, you may find that living there isn’t so bad, >and 2.5 hours isn’t really all that far away from your own family.

Now that’s a good idea!  But it will have to be well thought out ahead of time…purchasing houses and finding jobs are not issues to be dealt with lightly.   >Lastly, your individual happiness is tied to your spouse’s to a certain >extent. So even if you look at it selfishly, being married to a happy >person is a whole lot nicer than being married to one that’s miserable.

I agree  In our case, my husband claims that he’d be miserable if we moved back to CA.  So I guess we get to have me miserable here so that he isn’t miserable there.  As you see, we have not resolved this issue.  I probably should not even be responding to this thread for that matter! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just as an aside, given the choice, my wife would prefer to move my hometown and I would prefer to move to hers. I like the scenic beauty and quaintness of her town, but she dislikes the cold weather, -not that my hometown is exactly tropical. She’d prefer to live closer to my family. Unfortunately, her family was small. She’s an only child, her mother’s dead, and her father has been in an institution for several years. But, if we didn’t have kids, she probably wouldn’t have that much desire to live any closer to my family than we do today.

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<snip > So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because > she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have > assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. > Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her > feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to > be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to > grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last > night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great. > Thnx, B

I’m sorry you’ve found yourself in this situation. Jadelee’s advice about listening to your wife (and how to listen) is very good. Assuming you would be at least equally unhappy if you moved, I’m siding a little bit with you, -for now. Your wife made the decision to move to be with you. You didn’t ask her to do that. Although maybe that didn’t constitute a "life-time" agreement in her mind, moving would be a drastic change for you that you hadn’t anticipated when you agreed to get married. She knew what she was getting in to. However, if and/when you have kids, you may want to consider moving if your wife would be the primary care person for them. I didn’t realize how important the support of the extended family can be until we had a child. Trust me on this one. Assuming her family is physically and emotionally able to help with the care of your child, being a convenient distance away can make you and your wife’s life with kids much easier. There are lots of other issues at work here though. One concern I’d have is that you don’t like your mother in law very much and that might be exacerbated by moving closer and by having kids. Another thing for your wife to think about is that a little distance can be a good thing when there’s conflict in the family. She maybe trading one set of bad feelings for another if you two move closer to her family and she’s constantly dealing with the fighting between her mother and sister. Perhaps you could agree to a two year trial, your wife may remember some of the reasons she left had nothing to do with you and be eager to leave again. On the other hand, you may find that living there isn’t so bad, and 2.5 hours isn’t really all that far away from your own family. Lastly, your individual happiness is tied to your spouse’s to a certain extent. So even if you look at it selfishly, being married to a happy person is a whole lot nicer than being married to one that’s miserable.

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Hi B, I very much relate to your situation, although I moved much farther to be with my husband.  I have not been happy here so in your post, I mostly relate to your wife. My suggestion to you is to try and be as understanding as possible.  Try and listen to your wife without saying, "yeah but…".  Be empathic and try and put yourself in her  shoes.  One of the most frustrating things in a relationship is when a spouse tries to explain how they feel and they’re met with resistance.  That adds insult to injury. I also highly recommend seeking some counseling over this particular issue.  A person who is not involved in your lives can look at the situation without any biases (unlike friends and family).  The bottom line is that it’s a very real issue that causes pain to both of you and it has to be addressed.  A trained professional can help you with this.  You don’t have to go for years a psychotherapy… this is just to address this problem. I feel for both of you.  My husband is in your shoes and we have wrestled with this issue for close to 9 years.  The whole time, me living where he wants to live.  It’s not easy but you have to both come to terms with it.  Again, until you can seek some outside help, I suggest that you try to be as understanding and kind as possible toward your wife’s feelings.  Don’t resist how she feels.

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Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her feel guilty for living in Columbus.  Also, her mother is constently upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then you’ll do this one thing for me and move."  Now, I’ve lived my entire life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this tough situation. Any advice would be great. Thnx, B

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I have a client that has some very strange and unusual problems with a new account package installation.  They just went to Open Windows and are recieving errors in two modules of the accounting package.           Payroll         PATIMINI – Sector Out Of Range BBx 7         Accounts Recievable     ? Sales Journal                                            Basic Error 47 Line 3062                                            Prog ARPRJ1                                            3062 Let xx$=tf8$(1.26)                                            Substring Out Of Range If any one has any idea of what this just might be it would be greatly appreciated.  OSAS says that it a hardware issue and have no idea what it means…..  which really helps me a hell of a lot. Thanks in advance; Stephen

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What bull.  Substring out of range is an error immediately recognizable to anyone who has written software, particularly in BASIC.  This is a very specific message, and while I haven’t used basic in 20 years (nor would I), there is no question that this error is a programming error.  At the very least, it GIVES THE APPEARANCE of being a bug rather than a "hardware issue".  While you can never rule out the possibility of a damaged module, the second error, in particular would be highly unlikely to result from anything other than a bug. You really need to re-think this package.  Bugs can happen, but this one is amateurish, and their response to it is even more so.  One really wants to question whether it makes sense to build a database within a system that is subject to unexpected stoppage with such BS from the vendor. David Ray, CPA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a client that has some very strange and unusual problems with a new account package installation.  They just went to Open Windows and are recieving errors in two modules of the accounting package.           Payroll         PATIMINI – Sector Out Of Range BBx 7         Accounts Recievable     ? Sales Journal                                            Basic Error 47 Line 3062                                            Prog ARPRJ1                                            3062 Let xx$=tf8$(1.26)                                            Substring Out Of Range If any one has any idea of what this just might be it would be greatly appreciated.  OSAS says that it a hardware issue and have no idea what it means…..  which really helps me a hell of a lot. Thanks in advance; Stephen

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I prefer to shuck them first, then put the shucks back on after removing the silk (keep the shuck in one piece to make it stay on better when you reassemble it).  That way, you don’t have to spend as much time shucking piping-hot corn.

Yes, I have tried this way too, and it works well…  After several hundred tries at cooking corn on campfires, I have found that the single most important part is the soaking in water.  The soaking makes for some tender corn that is not burnt. I have also noticed that white corn works better for some reason… not really sure why, and the grocery stores only seem to get white corn once in while as opposed to yellow corn, which seems to always be available.

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I prefer to shuck them first, then put the shucks back on after removing the silk (keep the shuck in one piece to make it stay on better when you reassemble it).  That way, you don’t have to spend as much time shucking piping-hot corn.

That’s the way I do it, too. Peel the shucks down only as much as you have to to get out most of the silk, pour in half a cup of water, twist the shucks back together at the tip, and roast the ears when ready. As late as the sixties you could walk much of the Appalachian Trail at the right time of year and have fresh corn for supper whenever you wanted it by picking a couple of ears from a handy field as you went by. The farmers were usually happy to let you have a little. Now there isn’t a lot of sweet corn grown there, there aren’t nearly as many cornfields next to the trail, and the farmers have had to stop giving things to hikers because there are too many of us and too many of us will steal it instead of asking. The times, they are a-changin’. —    Stephen Worley Anderson in Rocky Mount, North Carolina (To e-mail, alter the header address by deleting "erasethis.")

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This sounds absurd.  Did you sign and get a copy of a charge slip with the $250 charge on it?  If you did then you screwed yourself.  If you didn’t then protest the charge through the bank that issued your card. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Author:  JIM  THIS  IS  TRUE—-PLEASE  TAKE  THE TIME TO READ IT AND PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY  SINGLE  PERSON  YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS….THIS IS REALLY TERRIFIC. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided  to  have  a  small dessert.  Because both of us are such cookie lovers,  we  decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." {EDITORIAL COMMENT: Neiman’s  is  a  VERY  EXPENSIVE department store in the States}. It was so excellent  that  I  asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not." Well,  I  said,  would  you let me buy the recipe?  With a cute smile, she said,  "Yes."  I asked how much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it’s a great deal!"  I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty  days  later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was  $285.00.   I  looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00" That’s outrageous!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge.  They would not refund my money, because according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the recipe – we absolutely will not refund your money at this point."  I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas, I threatened to refer them to the Better Business Bureau and the State’s Attorney General for engaging in fraud.  I was basically told, "Do what you want, we don’t give a crap, and we’re not refunding your money."I waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money back.  I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun."  I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus…for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!!  Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possible think of.  I paid $250 for this…I don’t want Neiman-Marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe…. (Recipe may be halved)     2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar ** 5 cups blended oatmeal 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars.  Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts.  Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  Makes 112 cookies.

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But, to stay on topic… here is a real recipe for campfires.  Take whole corn on the cob and with the shucks still on the ear, soak in water for about 30 minutes.  Place the ears, with the shucks still on right on the coals of your fire.  Turn the ears occasionally, and the shucks will become blackened.  After about 20 minutes the ears will be done.  Peel back the shucks to reveal some tender, tasty corn on the cob with a slight smokey flavor.

I prefer to shuck them first, then put the shucks back on after removing the silk (keep the shuck in one piece to make it stay on better when you reassemble it).  That way, you don’t have to spend as much time shucking piping-hot corn.           –Alan Alan Dove N3IMU http://128.59.173.136/Poliolab/Alan/Dove.html

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This sounds absurd.  Did you sign and get a copy of a charge slip with the $250 charge on it?  If you did then you screwed yourself.  If you didn’t then protest the charge through the bank that issued your card. Author:  JIM

==Apocryphal Cookie Recipe Acquisition Story deleted here== – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Recipe may be halved)     2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar ** 5 cups blended oatmeal 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars.  Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts.  Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  Makes 112 cookies.

Well, OK, the recipe is legit. This story ranks right up there with the "dying-kid-who-collects-business-cards" threads. Don’t waste the bandwidth (unless you’re into broadcasting nice cookie recipes.) – Rich –

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Author:  JIM  THIS  IS  TRUE—-PLEASE  TAKE  THE TIME TO READ IT AND PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY  SINGLE  PERSON  YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS….THIS IS REALLY TERRIFIC.

<snip Yes, this story is total BS. I’ve seen it several times, and it’s been emailed to me at least twice already. 1) Why wouldn’t this person challenge the charge on the VISA card? 2) Why would any well established store throw a customer away on a shady deal like this? Please stop wasting everyone’s time with this idiotic garbage. If you want to post it, post it on your refrigerator. — –your favorite soils professional

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AND, this is off-topic for rec.backcountry. But, to stay on topic… here is a real recipe for campfires.  Take whole corn on the cob and with the shucks still on the ear, soak in water for about 30 minutes.  Place the ears, with the shucks still on right on the coals of your fire.  Turn the ears occasionally, and the shucks will become blackened.  After about 20 minutes the ears will be done.  Peel back the shucks to reveal some tender, tasty corn on the cob with a slight smokey flavor.

Or, if you don’t need to throw them into the coals you can use my recipe. Just shuck those ears of corn, apply a tiny amount of butter (oil) and roast over the coals.  Done in less than ten minutes (as soon as it turns deep yellow). Chris

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Author:  JIM THIS  IS  TRUE—-PLEASE  TAKE  THE TIME TO READ IT AND PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY  SINGLE  PERSON  YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS….THIS IS REALLY TERRIFIC.

<snip This is an ‘urban legend’ and has been filtering around usenet for years.  This is simply a common recipe for chocolate chip cookies. AND, this is off-topic for rec.backcountry. But, to stay on topic… here is a real recipe for campfires.  Take whole corn on the cob and with the shucks still on the ear, soak in water for about 30 minutes.  Place the ears, with the shucks still on right on the coals of your fire.  Turn the ears occasionally, and the shucks will become blackened.  After about 20 minutes the ears will be done.  Peel back the shucks to reveal some tender, tasty corn on the cob with a slight smokey flavor.

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Author:  JIM  THIS  IS  TRUE—-PLEASE  TAKE  THE TIME TO READ IT AND PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY  SINGLE  PERSON  YOU KNOW WHO HAS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS….THIS IS REALLY TERRIFIC. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided  to  have  a  small dessert.  Because both of us are such cookie lovers,  we  decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." {EDITORIAL COMMENT: Neiman’s  is  a  VERY  EXPENSIVE department store in the States}. It was so excellent  that  I  asked if they would give me the recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not." Well,  I  said,  would  you let me buy the recipe?  With a cute smile, she said,  "Yes."  I asked how much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it’s a great deal!"  I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty  days  later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was  $285.00.   I  looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00" That’s outrageous!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of the phrase.   Neiman-Marcus refused to budge.  They would not refund my money, because   according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the recipe – we absolutely will not refund your money at this point."  I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas, I threatened to refer them to the Better Business Bureau and the   State’s Attorney General for engaging in fraud.  I was basically told, "Do what you want, we don’t give a crap, and we’re not refunding your money."I waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money back.  I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun."  I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus…for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!!  Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possible think of.  I paid $250 for this…I don’t want Neiman-Marcus to   *ever* get another penny off of this recipe…. (Recipe may be halved)     2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar ** 5 cups blended oatmeal 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)

Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars.  Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda.  Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts.  Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  Makes 112 cookies.

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I agree with many of the opinions expressed — Wooden Boat and ON have greater depth; Soundings when boat shopping; Messing About for local color; Latitude for sailing community, a national boat search or  an interest in cruising Mexico — but for the kind of sailing you do right now, I believe you’ll be most happy with Sailing and Cruising World. –Patti Borns   Home port: Westport, Mass.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been getting Cruising world for the last 3 or 4 years.  A well-done magazine, but it tends to mostly feature boats of 40+ feet and 5000 mile voyages.  These are about 15+ feet and 4990 miles more than my usual daysail on the Chesapeake.    How true!  If you really want to read a good sailing magazine look around for the earliest issues of Cruising World, particularly the adventures of Sven Lundin, who built a 20-foot sloop of cold-molded plywood in his mother’s basement in Sweden, then sailed it to the Falkland Islands, among other places.  That was a cruising story.  It was about 1976. — –Fabbian G. Dufoe, III   350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South |  27 deg 44.5 min N, 82 deg 38.3 min W   813-823-2350                 |  uucp:     …palan!deep6!nifty!fgd3

I think that Cruising World is still my favorite sailing magazine. I started my subscription in 1976, and have most every copy (my wife just loves all of the boxes:)) CW’s stories in the 70’s and early 80’s were mostly cruising oriented, with smaller is better in mind. The 80’s however, were tough on CW. They changed their style several times (I seem to remember at least three) and redirected their concentration on a more generic sailing style, with a little more gloss thrown in for good measure. It used to take me mabey 3 hours to read everything-ads included. Now, I am through reading in 45 minutes or so. I used to keep every issue for reference purposes, but now, it is a race whether CW or Sail hits the trash can first.  Incidently, Soundings is another good magazine/paper AND they have a Great Lakes edition that is full of news from the area. They have the most boat for sale type ads of all of the main periodicals. Wonder what happened to Sail’s classified advertising for Boats For Sale?

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John F. Hughes opines: 3.  Ocean Navigator I really like ON. Their technical articles are usaully pretty good, their political views about marine events tend to agree with mine (grin), and their articles on Navigation are first-rate. And some of the letters are better than anything that appears in Cruising World.

Here’s a second vote for _ON_. Greg Walsh & Co. put out the *best* serious rag I’ve seen on maritime matters. They’re really fine people, too; helpful & knowledgeable & fun. If you’re ever in Portland, ME pop in & visit them. The letters section is a good part of the format & I agree with John that they add alot to the magazine’s appeal. They just changed (slightly) their cover layout this year for the 10th anniversary edition. I also hear that Greg’s gone high-tech . . . he got an *electric* typewriter ! ;-. Check them out at Sail Expo, if you go. DJF      Beside thee is the ocean; it is true it does not always roar, and   sometimes it spreads out like silk & gold & a gentle reverie. But times   when thou wilt feel that it is infinite, and that there is nothing        more frightful than infinity. – Sea Angst from Nietzsche —

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Actually, the letters aren’t so much fun as the responses from whomever is in charge of responding for the editors.

That’s usually Richard Spindler: publisher, executive editor and creator of Latitude 38. The whole thing was his idea, and "48 North", "Santana," and I imagine "Rags" are copies of the format to some extent. we’ll see them online, though. —                                      -"Call me Fishmeal"-

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Cruisers – the people out there actually sailing around in yachts – rarely read any of the popular "slick" magazines (this includes "Cruising World"). Throughout the Pacific, at least, the only magazine avidly read by real cruisers is "Latitude 38" published in San Francisco. Although Lat38 has many articles which apply to the Bay Area only, it has several things that cruisers like. One is the "Changes in Latitudes" column which, like a good home town newspaper, contains interesting tidbits on the members of the (realatively small) cruising fraternity. Cruise more than a year or two and I guarentee you will see a write-up on someone you know. Maybe even you. Another is the Letters. Yeah, I know, reading the Letters shouldn’t be much fun. Actually, the letters aren’t so much fun as the responses from whomever is in charge of responding for the editors. Usually worth reading. (The occasional running feud is fun too….like the one debating the relative merits of celestial sight reduction calculators which give you lat/lon or LOPs for chart plotting.) A third is the Crew List. Every year they offer readers the opportunity to list boats wanting crew and crew wanting boats. Categories include "I look good in a bikini". Finally, the Classy Classifieds for everything from sextants to boats. Want a liferaft? A diesel engine? If it’s for a sailboat and for sale, you can find it here. But the best part is they actually publish well written articles from people who aren’t named Pardey. And they pay you for them, too!!!                  Craig Jungers  —  Royal City, WA 99357

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   How true!  If you really want to read a good sailing magazine look around for the earliest issues of Cruising World, particularly the adventures of Sven Lundin, who built a 20-foot sloop of cold-molded plywood in his mother’s basement in Sweden, then sailed it to the Falkland Islands, among other places.  That was a cruising story.  It was about 1976.

Somewhere about that time, you can find a note on the cover of one issue saying "John Hughes speaks out on Cruising Manners," and the accompanying article inside. Not me–my Dad. He made such points as "If I’m the only boat anchored in a cover that you enter, don’t assume that I’ve got the best spot and that you therefore should anchor right next to me," and "If you pick up my mooring, make sure you have someone aboard at all times who can drop the mooring and move the boat within a couple of minutes of my return. Don’t even think about offering to "let me raft up" on my own mooring." Most of his points are more and more relevant… -John

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The other magazines, particularly Cruising World and Sail, not to mention Yachting, read like nothing but advertisements by comparison.

For my taste, as a cruising sailor, Cruising World is the best of the lot.  Lots of practical information.  Sail and Yachting are for the armchair types.   Just one opinion, and you know what they say about opinions. –

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In the past two days I have received more offers for special subscriptions to boating magazines than I have for offers for credit cards (I know – hard to believe, but its true). Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.  Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail

Snipped . . . . You may want to look into: 1. Practical Sailor – the Consumer Reports of the marine world. 2. Sailing – A magazine geared towards the lower end market.  Smaller              boats, say 15 to 35 feet, as opposed to Yachting’s              multi-millon dollar monsters. 3. Sailing World – Not bad but not as good as Sail or Cruising World. Hope this helps . . . . Paul Brown

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2. Sailing – A magazine geared towards the lower end market.  Smaller             boats, say 15 to 35 feet, as opposed to Yachting’s             multi-millon dollar monsters.

I second the recommendation for Sailing.  However, there’s only one section I always read:  Bob Perry’s design reviews.   These are very personal and are based only on drawings and specs (he doesn’t sail or inspect the boats).  But they are almost always entertaining and rewarding.   If you can spend more money, and can put up with a lot of information that has no relevance to a North American sailor, the British magazines Yachting World and Practical Boat Owner have much greater depth than their American counterparts, except for Ocean Navigator and Wooden Boat.   Anyone who thinks Practical Sailor does a good job reviewing boats ought to compare YW and PBO.  Yachting Monthly (also British) is pretty good, too, more cruising-oriented (orientated, they would say), than YW.  Finally, Seahorse (yes, British) specializes in ocean racing, and is quite good for those interested in the subject.  Look for these rags at large newstands or nautical bookshops.       Bill Courington

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I’ve been getting Cruising world for the last 3 or 4 years.  A well-done magazine, but it tends to mostly feature boats of 40+ feet and 5000 mile voyages.  These are about 15+ feet and 4990 miles more than my usual daysail on the Chesapeake.

        How true!  If you really want to read a good sailing magazine look around for the earliest issues of Cruising World, particularly the adventures of Sven Lundin, who built a 20-foot sloop of cold-molded plywood in his mother’s basement in Sweden, then sailed it to the Falkland Islands, among other places.  That was a cruising story.  It was about 1976. — –Fabbian G. Dufoe, III    350 Ling-A-Mor Terrace South |  27 deg 44.5 min N, 82 deg 38.3 min W    813-823-2350                 |  uucp:     …palan!deep6!nifty!fgd3

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the past two days I have received more offers for special subscriptions to   boating magazines than I have for offers for credit cards (I know – hard to   believe, but its true). Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.   Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail WoodenBoat, if you’re at all interested in traditional boats.  It’s not just   for those with sawdust in their beards.  The depth and quality of the articles   are several orders of magnitude better than the mainstream magazines.   WoodenBoat also has a – how shall I say – somewhat less capital-intensive attitude toward boating.  The other magazines, particularly Cruising World and   Sail, not to mention Yachting, read like nothing but advertisements by   comparison.

I can add little to this though having written for some of them. Anorther is Offshore here in the East. Their boat reviews are no better than anyone else’s but theer in close descriptions of North East marinas and harbors are hard to beat. And then their is Messing About In Boats. Every two weeks, $22. Quirky and not to be missed. One almsot wishes he would be moved a litttle more by advertisers. He has few.  Ocean Navigator is great because it is real. It is real because it is not just great letters but almost all letters! The editor and I, however, do not agree on some issues concerning freedom of the seas

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: | : | Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. : :    In your summary of sailing magazines you forgot a significant :    national magazine (sorry Lat 38) :   : : :    6.  Sailing World,,,, I find great for racing news       : :  Steinert

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In the past two days I have received more offers for special subscriptions to boating magazines than I have for offers for credit cards (I know – hard to believe, but its true). Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.  Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail WoodenBoat, if you’re at all interested in traditional boats.  It’s not just for those with sawdust in their beards.  The depth and quality of the articles are several orders of magnitude better than the mainstream magazines.  WoodenBoat also has a – how shall I say – somewhat less capital-intensive attitude toward boating.  The other magazines, particularly Cruising World and Sail, not to mention Yachting, read like nothing but advertisements by comparison. Keith Wilson

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Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.  Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail

Of the magazines you have listed, I like Cruising World the best, followed by Sail and Ocean Navigator.  I have a subscription to all 3. I find Ocean Navigator interesting, but it’s a bit dry.  Its the only magazine I know of that gives navigation "homework" problems.  I would certainly skip Yachting unless you’re looking to purchase a mega-yacht.  I’ve read a few issues of Soundings and found very little of interest except for the advertisments. I’d add "Sailing" to the top of your list.  They have the best photographs around, if you like that sort of thing.  "Practical Sailor" is another good one, but costs about as much as all the others combined due to their lack of advertising.  But they are the only one that does critical product reviews. — Physics Department, University of Michigan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the past two days I have received more offers for special subscriptions to boating magazines than I have for offers for credit cards (I know – hard to believe, but its true). Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.  Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail Our sailing (on a 28.5ft Hunter named Sirena) generally consists of weekend trips around Cape Ann, Isle of Shoals, and southern Maine and a couple of weeks up in the Casco Bay area of Maine. Our (2 couples) experience levels are generally as beginners and 1 of the 4 of us has a few years experience. Thanks, Mike B….

I’ve been getting Cruising world for the last 3 or 4 years.  A well-done magazine, but it tends to mostly feature boats of 40+ feet and 5000 mile voyages.  These are about 15+ feet and 4990 miles more than my usual daysail on the Chesapeake. Lots of good articles on upgrading and maintenance, electrical systems, and the like.  Lots of interesting articles on cruising to faraway places, which I can enjoy even if I have no such plans (hey, you can’t take away the dreams…). While I’ve enjoyed the magazine, I feel like I’ve pretty much gotten what they have to offer.  I got clued in to this when I read my third or fourth "Refrigeration Systems – Is your engine and electrical system up to the task?" article. As I read this over again, I see that I really haven’t given much of a recommendation for or against.  Well, I’d recommend it as interesting, but don’t expect too much focus on the kind of boat or sailing that you’re doing. Hope this has been helpful! — Bob Kurtz "Hey Dad", Seafarer 26

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In the past two days I have received more offers for special subscriptions to boating magazines than I have for offers for credit cards (I know – hard to believe, but its true). Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. 1.  Soundings 2.  Cruising World 3.  Ocean Navigator 4.  Yachting 5.  Sail Our sailing (on a 28.5ft Hunter named Sirena) generally consists of weekend trips around Cape Ann, Isle of Shoals, and southern Maine and a couple of weeks up in the Casco Bay area of Maine. Our (2 couples) experience levels are generally as beginners and 1 of the 4 of us has a few years experience. Thanks, Mike B….

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Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc.

Since we sail in similar areas, I’ll go ahead and give it a shot… 1.  Soundings

Soundings is terrific for keeping you up to date on local happenings in the boating world, including the commercial side of it. It’s not got terribly in-depth reporting, and sometimes a few important facts get left out of their stories, but I’ve kept my subscription for several years. The boat listings in the 3rd section are incredibly comprehensive, and give you a decent sense of what you might sell your boat for if you ever sold it. The Tag Sale section of the classifieds is also great—I got a nice cheap replacement fuel pump for my diesel there… 2.  Cruising World

This used to be great, but now that it’s been taken over by some publishing conglomerate, it’s gotten more and more fluffy, to the point where I hardly read it at all. Too many articles of the form "Cruising in the Virgins: A Winter Dream Come True" for my tastes. And their "product reviews" look more and more like the material you can find by a good reading of any marine catalog. 3.  Ocean Navigator

I really like ON. Their technical articles are usaully pretty good, their political views about marine events tend to agree with mine (grin), and their articles on Navigation are first-rate. And some of the letters are better than anything that appears in Cruising World. 4.  Yachting

The "People Magazine" of boats: *lots* of ads, and every article is short enough that you can read it in one visit to the bathroom…even if you’re only peeing. All articles are content-free as far as I’m concerned. On the other hand, you can see lots of pictures of very large boats… 5.  Sail

I’ve never been real keen on it, but for no good reason. [we take] weekend trips around Cape Ann, Isle of Shoals, and southern Maine and a couple of weeks up in the Casco Bay area of Maine. Our (2 couples) experience levels are generally as beginners and 1 of the 4 of us has a few years experience.

You might also consider going a notch or two further next time—Muscongus Bay or even Penobscot—less in the way of crowds, even more beautiful scenery. Can’t think of nay magazines that are particularly relevant to that area aside from Soundings (unless you want to read National Fisherman, and you probably don’t). -John

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| | Any opinions on the following publications? Useful? Worth the cost? etc. | 1.  Soundings | 2.  Cruising World | 3.  Ocean Navigator | 4.  Yachting | 5.  Sail | | Our sailing (on a 28.5ft Hunter named Sirena) generally consists of weekend | trips around Cape Ann, Isle of Shoals, and southern Maine and a couple of | weeks up in the Casco Bay area of Maine. Our (2 couples) experience levels | are generally as beginners and 1 of the 4 of us has a few years experience. | | Thanks, | Mike B…. I find that Cruising World is by far the most versatile in sailing magazines.  It has a little bit of everything.  Adventure, refits, boat reviews, racing updates, classifieds, etc.  The cost is very reasonable, and I just found out the this months issue of Skiing Magazine, has a promotional offer for half the regular subscription cost (something like $14 or $15 for a year) Yachting magazine, is on the most part a showcase of huge sail and motorboats for sale or charter, the occasional useful article, does not make this magazine worth buying in my opinion.  However, I always pick up a free copy at the USAIR shuttle terminal in LaGuardia when I am travelling (just to look at the pretty pictures). Soundings is a very good source for buying boats and related things. I bought individual copies when I was looking for my sailboat. Actually, I did find the boat of my dreams in Soundings. Sail magazine is like the racing version of Cruising world, although it has some articles on refits etc. Hope this helps. Alexandra

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