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How is school going for you? What classes are you taking? Nikki

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How’s the kids?  the little buggers are doing well, I’m not making any visits to the school this year. Although, I have been donating my time to Headstart again. The bus driver is trying to get me to apply for a position as bus aide. How’s the wacky neighbor? Accusing my kids of watermelloning her car, going around saying all I do is get high all day. I will just ignore her for now. My school, is more important than her right now. How are you? Nikki

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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:26:17 GMT, "Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote: >How’s the kids? > the little buggers are doing well, I’m not making any visits to the school >this year. Although, I have been donating my time to Headstart again. The >bus driver is trying to get me to apply for a position as bus aide. >How’s the wacky neighbor? >Accusing my kids of watermelloning her car, going around saying all I do is >get high all day. I will just ignore her for now. My school, is more >important than her right now. >How are you? >Nikki

Glad the kids are doing so well in school!!  Are you going to go for that job as bus aide?  I think you’d be great.  You’re such a focused mom   Geez, that neighbor never gives up, does she?  She is a wack job.  I’m glad you are ignoring her!  Is she still calling you all the time? Yes, your school is definitely more important than her…in fact, so is anything and everything else!!   I’m doing about the same.  I finally got my TENS unit for pain.  It helps a lot, but it’s only temporary.  I’ll try anything at this point!  Thanks for asking  :-) D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I finally got my TENS unit for pain what is this? I don’t remember reading about it in any of your other posts but then again I could of been having a brain fart. Nikki

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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:26:59 GMT, "Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote: >I finally got my TENS unit for pain >what is this? I don’t remember reading about it in any of your other posts >but then again I could of been having a brain fart. >Nikki

LOL!  I love that "brain fart"! It’s a little machine that zaps my muscles/nerves via these little electrodes.  It gives me pain relief…although, temporary.  Better than nothing!! D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote in news:x1_eb.662282$Ho3.137121 @sccrnsc03: > How is school going for you? What classes are you taking? > Nikki

biology, chemistry and physics and my final test before mid-term is tomorrow you ?  

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On 2 Oct 2003 20:56:23 GMT, Veronika <veronikalind…@hotmail.com> wrote: >"Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote in news:x1_eb.662282$Ho3.137121 >@sccrnsc03: >> How is school going for you? What classes are you taking? >> Nikki >biology, chemistry and physics >and my final test before mid-term is tomorrow

GOOD LUCK, VERONIKA!!! D

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biology, chemistry and physics wow, my classes sound like clown school classes next to yours. Good luck! I’m taking Business Mathematics, Intro to Accounting and Psychology. Nikki

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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:14:47 GMT, "Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote: >biology, chemistry and physics >wow, my classes sound like clown school classes next to yours. Good luck! >I’m taking Business Mathematics, Intro to Accounting and Psychology. >Nikki

Doesn’t sound like "clown classes" to me, Nikk   Those classes are difficult! D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote in news:7jMeb.649781$YN5.498954@sccrnsc01: > Well after a week from hell with tests in every class today, I can’t > unwine. My thoughts are going ten forty but my body feels like a Mack > truck slammed into me

Mack trucks are dangerous You’re really doing great!  I’m single, I don’t have a house and I’m already feeling overwhelm.  You have a lot on your shoulder right now it would ok in your case to be feel a bit overwhelm.

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manageable routines instead of letting everything pile up until i feel overwhelmed and then nothing gets done. Normally I don’t let things pile up, I do certain tasks on each day, but these tests really had me going. Nikki

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Why do people hate laundry? The machine does the work… It’s not the washing or the drying its the folding and putting away of five people. Nikki

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(((((((Nikki))))))))))) You did it, girl.  I was wondering where you went to. Congratulations for making it through  :-) How’s the kids? How’s the wacky neighbor? Nice to hear from you! D On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:45:23 GMT, "Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well after a week from hell with tests in every class today, I can’t unwine. >My thoughts are going ten forty but my body feels like a Mack truck slammed >into me. The only plus, is no school the rest of this week but now I have a >nasty house to attend too. Yuck! I hate laundry. >Nikki

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"Nikki" <I’m ti…@oflife.com> wrote | Well after a week from hell with tests in every class today, | I can’t unwine. My thoughts are going ten forty but my body | feels like a Mack truck slammed into me. The only plus, | is no school the rest of this week but now I have a | nasty house to attend too. Yuck! I hate laundry. i’ve gotten pretty good at breaking down my household chores into small, manageable routines instead of letting everything pile up until i feel overwhelmed and then nothing gets done.  i used to do that constantly.  ;) oh, btw, good work with school!

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I’ve had the sorry luck to have used an outfit known variously as Accountants Referral Network or Accountants Referral Services.  This organization is owned by a person known either as Lise Buscher, though she may introduce herself as Ann. This shadiness should be a warning.  This organization, by whatever name used, is unreliable, unproductive and a waste of money.  In my experience, they do not provide quality referrals.    Of the countless appointments I went on, only ONE became a financially viable client.  Most of the others were in search of  free advice so they could steer their present accountants in the correct direction. Two were so bad off that insolvency or bankruptcy were their only remaining options. I’m passing this along to keep others from learning a tough lesson. — Michael E. Blount, CPA Managing Director Blount & Company, LLP 888.984.1040 www.blountcpa.com

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I’ve had the sorry luck to have used an outfit known variously as Accountants Referral Network or Accountants Referral Services.  This organization is owned by a person known either as Lise Buscher, though she may introduce herself as Ann. This shadiness should be a warning.  This organization, by whatever name used, is unreliable, unproductive and a waste of money.  In my experience, they do not provide quality referrals.  Of the counteless appointments I went on, only ONE became a financially viable client.  Most of the others were in search of free advice so they could steer their present accountants in the right direction.  Two were so bad off that insolvency or bankruptcy were their only remaining options. In addition, I’ve been contacted by the US Postal Inspectors Office to follow up on mail/wire fraud charges levied against this organization. I’m passing this along to keep others from learning a tough lesson — Michael E. Blount, CPA Managing Director Blount & Company, LLP 888.984.1040 www.blountcpa.com

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Courtesy of another NG. LZ

Any Congressional or Senatorial investigation should be amusing to say the least.. seems that in the House, about 60% of ‘em got Enron money and in the Senate, about 75%.   Fun and games guessing who got the contributions and who didn’t… Mark

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Courtesy of another NG. LZ snip an enormous lazy waste of bandwidth with a couple of interesting tidbits buried in it… Can you spell EDIT? Bob

Educational materials should NOT be edited.  That is how brainwashing is performed. LZ

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Courtesy of another NG. LZ

snip an enormous lazy waste of bandwidth with a couple of interesting tidbits buried in it… Can you spell EDIT? Bob

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Courtesy of another NG. LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ENRON’s CEO lost over 2.5 BILLION! Lay got out with $100 million.  But at one time he had over $3 billion in ENRON stock. He lost as much as his people did. http://biz.yahoo.com/t/in/e/ene.html He had 2,885,874 shares of stock. He is also on the board of Compaq computers and Eli Lily. Companies’ exposure to Enron financial woes http://www.wiredbrain.com/scandal.htm Long List ! Companies’ exposure to Enron financial woes Below is a collection of stories from Platts alert services reporting on companies’ exposure to Enron. Platts real-time screen news and market reporting services include Platts Global Alert (PGA), European Power Alert (EPA), Platts Petrochemical Alert (PCA), Platts Electricity Alert (PEA) and Natural Gas Alert (NGA).  http://www.platts.com/features/enron/exposure.shtml It’s difficult to define Enron in a sentence, but the closest we come is this: we make commodity markets so that we can deliver physical commodities to our customers at a predictable price. It’s difficult, too, to talk about Enron without using the word "innovative." Most of the things we do have never been done before. We believe in the economic benefits of open, competitive wholesale markets, and we play a leading role in creating them. We initiated the wholesale natural gas and electricity markets in the United States, and we are helping to build similar markets in Europe and elsewhere. Every day we strive to make markets in other industries that need a more efficient way to deliver commodities and manage risk, such as metals, forest products, bandwidth capacity and steel. Our passion has enabled us to manage weather risk. No wonder Fortune surveys have named Enron the most innovative company in America for six years in a row. Enron’s four business units — Wholesale Services, Energy Services, Broadband Services and Transportation Services — offer a wide range of physical, transportation, financial and technical solutions to thousands of customers around the world. To a Wall Street obsessed not with earnings but with revenue growth, the performance propelled Enron’s shares into the stratosphere, enriching executives and investors. "The way these revenues were accounted for at Enron essentially made them pro forma revenues, which have little basis in reality," one institutional money manager said. "Yet the size of the revenues allowed the company to expand its balance sheet by piling on debt. That is why the company unraveled so quickly Naturally, given the millions of dollars Wall Street firms generated selling Enron’s shares and bonds to investors, analysts were among the most vociferous defenders of the company, even after its stock began to fall. David N. Fleischer, who followed Enron for Goldman, Sachs, recommended it until Oct. 17, the day after Enron disclosed that it had lost $618 million in the most recent quarter and that because earlier financial statements had been inaccurate, it was lopping $1.2 billion off its net worth. Even with the stock at 68 cents, Mr. Fleischer currently rates Enron a market performer. Across town at Lehman Brothers (news/quote), Richard Gross continues to rate Enron a strong buy. Raymond C. Niles at Salomon Smith Barney did change his rating on Enron from buy to neutral, but not until Oct. 26, when the stock closed at $15.40. During the previous 12 months, Enron had traded as high as $84.63. Of course, if a company wants to mislead its investors, analysts and accountants, there is probably little that can be done to stop it. Arthur Andersen, Enron’s auditor, has said that it was misled. But what is becoming evident about Enron is the decidedly ephemeral nature of its operations and its revenues. Beginning as a mundane natural gas pipeline company in the 1980’s, Enron had morphed into a financial services firm by the late 1990’s. It traded things like oil, but created new markets to trade oddities like weather and bandwidth.  http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/business/14ENRO.html Because Enron operated in a largely unregulated arena and because of the way energy trading firms are allowed to account for their operations, the company recorded revenue that made the economic status of its business appear larger than it really was. Under accounting rules, when an energy trading company trades electricity or gas, it can count as revenues the whole amount of every transaction rather than simply the profit or loss, as a brokerage firm does. It is similar to the way Priceline .com counted as revenues the whole sale price of plane tickets sold online rather than just commissions, as traditional travel agents do.  http://www.enron.com/corp/products/ Enron’s auditors Arthur Andersen have revealed that some of its employees have destroyed a number of documents related to its handling of Enron’s accounts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1754000/1754249.stm  Most Recent ENRON REPORTS RECURRING THIRD QUARTER EARNINGS OF $0.43 PER DILUTED SHARE; REPORTS NON-RECURRING CHARGES OF $1.01 BILLION AFTER-TAX; REAFFIRMS RECURRING EARNINGS ESTIMATES OF $1.80 FOR 2001 AND $2.15 FOR 2002; AND EXPANDS FINANCIAL REPORTING – 10/16/2001 http://www.enron.com/corp/investors/earnings.html Enron reinvented itself, turning into a behemoth that traded in energy rather than merely providing it. By 2000, it had become the poster boy for the benefits of deregulation and limited government oversight. Here was a $60 billion concern that smugly called itself the "World’s Leading Company." And why not? Although Enron had a low public profile – have you ever even seen its tilted "E" logo? – it was idolized by financial publications. And like a tumor, it was growing inexorably bigger, even building pipelines and plants in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, India, Mozambique, the Philippines and China. Meanwhile, back in Houston, the corporate hotshots behaved as if the word hubris hadn’t yet been translated into Texan. In a superb article in the December 9 Houston Chronicle, reporter Greg Hassell offered a portrait of Enron’s glory days, laying bare a gaudy corporate culture that was busy readying its vanities for the bonfire: Beyond the in-building health club and free Starbucks coffee, silver Porsches became an obligatory parking-lot status symbol, and traders were known to freak out when their annual bonus was only half a million bucks. This conspicuous consumption was encouraged by an evangelical leadership that one former executive compared to the Taliban – either you were for the company or you were an infidel. To call down an Enron fatwa, you needed merely ask for proof of its extravagant claims of profitability (proof its accountants obviously didn’t seek very diligently).  http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/laweekly/20020110/lo/31442_1.html Another question is how could Wallstreet be so far off base – the stock was recommended until December when it should have been clear by Oct or before that there was great risk – Everyone thinking in a pack – group think – they were all were wrong – very wrong – how can that be? 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I checked the Betaseron website, and unlike Copaxone which you should NOT massage, Beta instructs to gently massage the area for a moment (didn’t say anything about ‘vigorously rub’). Anyway, you may just be one of those sensitive souls, Penny <g>, but remember, it’s fighting back against the disease, pro-active. — Best regards, Meg Penny wrote:  "I didn’t think that the area should be massage either, but

the nurse at the betaseron place told me to rub the area vigurously for 1-2 minutes. I have tried the auotinjector but that makes the bruising even worse. I have tried ice – nothing. I guess I just have to live with it." <

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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:23:58 -0400, "Mona" <mona_ra…@hotmail.com> wrote: }I am not a nurse so couldn’t tell you if rubbing is a good or bad thing to }do.

I am a nurse.  I used to apply pressure for a few moments after the injection. Not a lot, just enough to allow the tissue to close over the minute injection site. — Joan The main cash crop on the planet Mercury is gluten. The natives are looking at aspartame as an alternate.

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Meg, I didn’t think that the area should be massage either, but the nurse at the betaseron place told me to rub the area vigurously for 1-2 minutes. I have tried the auotinjector but that makes the bruising even worse. I have tried ice – nothing. I guess I just have to live with it. Penny

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Hi Rita. I’ve been on beta 1 1/2 years now and still have some side effects. I still must take something when I get the shot but now all I need is one extra strength tylenol.  I had to have ibuprofen in the past.  The side effects have definitely gotten better over the months. Right now I have two flaming red marks from the last 2 shots. Sometimes I have no reaction at the site and then other times I get the big red mark.  Icing it helps me but I was also told to rub some over-the-counter cortisone cream on the site.  This helps cut the inflammation.  Hang in there.       Judy "Rita Miller" <mille…@wsu.edu> wrote in message

news:9pgl5u$5kph$1@murrow.murrow.it.wsu.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, I have been using the betaserone for a little over 2 mo. > starting full dosage about 2 weeks ago. My injection sites > for the last 6 times have become really red, tender and > large.(more than usual). > I do the injections REALLY slowly-and have begun doing > them shallower than previously.and seem… > to have less sickness? but the sites area real pain. > Literally. Any hints? Ideas? I have done the > ice thing but that, seemed to make it disperse more slowly. > I keep watching to make sure the sites aren’t rotting > out in the middle, but other than that I don’t know what > to do. > Any ideas – suggestions would be most welcome. > Have those of you using the betaseron gotten to the place > where the side effects even out? When is it? I keep > telling myself, that this is just what I need to do, > and if I can stick it out it will be worth it. > Some days I don’t really believe me. Sheesh. > thanks alot in advance, > — > — >  Rita A. Miller – mille…@wsu.edu >  * "You’re just jealous because the voices are talking to me."

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ewwww….i just KNEW it would excite you.. by the way <thwack> never never never ever again insult wonder girl woman wife in my prescence! You know what I’m talking about.. — Laura There are more donut shops per capita in Canada than in any other country "Old Uncle Steve" <alden8…@aol.com4getit> wrote in message news:20011004160721.19298.00000392@mb-ci.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Old Uncle Steve

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Whomp!!!  Whomp!!! That’s what I did to the kitty who leapt up and thought she would play with mine while I played the piano.   You’re every bit as deserving as she was.  No, more so. Another hearty Gaylon-type whomp!!! for good measure.   – Lynne Old Uncle Steve wrote: > Old Uncle Steve

– Lynne Davis Coordinator of Administrative Services Casey Computer Center, Baylor University Lynne_Da…@baylor.edu

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On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 03:31:10 +0000 (UTC), mille…@wsu.edu (Rita Miller) wrote: }I do the injections REALLY slowly-and have begun doing }them shallower than previously.and seem… }to have less sickness? but the sites area real pain.

Sounds to me as if you are not giving them deep enough. If you use an autoject what is your setting? I took Betaseron for 3 years. Used number 6 setting on the autoject. Before the autoject I just put needle in full depth. It needs to go into the subcutaneous tissue, not just barely under the skin. You could end up with tissue necrosis. Just keep watching the sites and try going deeper. Should not affect the side effects. — Joan The main cash crop on the planet Mercury is gluten. The natives are looking at aspartame as an alternate.

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I have been using betaseron for a year now. My legs and arms look like someone has beat me. I get large red marks that turn to bruises and stay for weeks. Dr. said that some people have this reaction and there is nothing that can be done. I use a clean needle to inject and rub the spot for 5 minutes after injecting. I know this doesn’t help you, but thought you would like to know that you are not alone. Penny

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Hi Penny — I don’t know about the specific instructions for Beta, but I know that Copaxone is also injected with a similar sized syringe and needle, and depth. We’re specifically instructed NOT to massage or rub the injection site. I mean, I think it’s okay to press an alcohol swab (ouch!), and in my own case I briefly press a tissue against the site, but I definitely don’t massage it. I wonder if that might be irritating the site, and accounting for the redness and bruising you’re experiencing. I know some people are more sensitive than others to these injections, but still, I’m curious. As someone else mentioned, the needle is supposed to be inserted at its full length (which is pretty short, really). Do you use an autoject? Best regards, Meg "Barnespen" <barnes…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20011005122310.19153.00000929@mb-md.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been using betaseron for a year now. My legs and arms look like someone > has beat me. I get large red marks that turn to bruises and stay for weeks. Dr. > said that some people have this reaction and there is nothing that can be done. > I use a clean needle to inject and rub the spot for 5 minutes after injecting. > I know this doesn’t help you, but thought you would like to know that you are > not alone. > Penny

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I am not a nurse so couldn’t tell you if rubbing is a good or bad thing to do. The MS pathways folks suggested I ice the spot of the injection afterwards. I never remembered how long the said to ice for so I just sit and watch TV with ice on the spot. I seem to recall them telling me also come to think of it to wipe it with a non alcohol wipe after injecting. Nothing about rubbing though.  I never did that anyway. The spots that "show" in summer – thigh and arm I ice (only in summer, don’t care in winter!lazy…) — Laura There are more donut shops per capita in Canada than in any other country "Barnespen" <barnes…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20011005122310.19153.00000929@mb-md.aol.com…> I have been using betaseron for a year now. My legs and arms look like someone – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> has beat me. I get large red marks that turn to bruises and stay for weeks. Dr. > said that some people have this reaction and there is nothing that can be done. > I use a clean needle to inject and rub the spot for 5 minutes after injecting. > I know this doesn’t help you, but thought you would like to know that you are > not alone. > Penny

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Hi from Nashville I was on beta for three and half years and the big thing was to use two needles. One to fill the syringe with the liquid and change the needle. I was told not let the beta touch the skin. You should stick your self with a clean needle. The beteseron going into the skin will cause the redrised spot at the site. Call Berlix they should be able to help you. "Rita Miller" <mille…@wsu.edu> wrote in message

news:9pgl5u$5kph$1@murrow.murrow.it.wsu.edu…> Hi, I have been using the betaserone for a little over 2 mo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> starting full dosage about 2 weeks ago. My injection sites > for the last 6 times have become really red, tender and > large.(more than usual). > I do the injections REALLY slowly-and have begun doing > them shallower than previously.and seem… > to have less sickness? but the sites area real pain. > Literally. Any hints? Ideas? I have done the > ice thing but that, seemed to make it disperse more slowly. > I keep watching to make sure the sites aren’t rotting > out in the middle, but other than that I don’t know what > to do. > Any ideas – suggestions would be most welcome. > Have those of you using the betaseron gotten to the place > where the side effects even out? When is it? I keep > telling myself, that this is just what I need to do, > and if I can stick it out it will be worth it. > Some days I don’t really believe me. Sheesh. > thanks alot in advance, > — > — >  Rita A. Miller – mille…@wsu.edu >  * "You’re just jealous because the voices are talking to me."

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Just measured a betaseron needle – it is 1/2 inch long.  For me the only place with flab (lol) like that is my flapping old lady arms (<thwack> steve, don’t want to hear about the sexual gratification that just gave you..lol) So, is there a shorter needle or am I just "firmer" (lol…) than the average ms’r? — Laura There are more donut shops per capita in Canada than in any other country "Meg" <mlgerr…@1earth2link3.net> wrote in message

news:4LYu7.1849$3i3.173247@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I use Copax instead of Betaseron, so I can’t be terribly specific. But just > the other day we were posting about the depth setting on the autojector, > although I gather you don’t use that tool. I highly recommend it. Even > still, since the Beta needles are short anyway, why are you making efforts > to shoot close to the surface? That was my first thought about the excessive > site irritation, that the drug isn’t going deep enough. Even at the deepest, > it isn’t very deep. But that’s what occurs to me, for what it’s worth, and > with hopes that it’s helpful. Best regards, Meg > Rita Miller wrote: Hi, I have been using the betaserone for a little over 2 > mo. starting full dosage about 2 weeks ago. My injection sites > for the last 6 times have become really red, tender and  large.(more than > usual) . . ." <

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I use Copax instead of Betaseron, so I can’t be terribly specific. But just the other day we were posting about the depth setting on the autojector, although I gather you don’t use that tool. I highly recommend it. Even still, since the Beta needles are short anyway, why are you making efforts to shoot close to the surface? That was my first thought about the excessive site irritation, that the drug isn’t going deep enough. Even at the deepest, it isn’t very deep. But that’s what occurs to me, for what it’s worth, and with hopes that it’s helpful. Best regards, Meg Rita Miller wrote: Hi, I have been using the betaserone for a little over 2

mo. starting full dosage about 2 weeks ago. My injection sites for the last 6 times have become really red, tender and  large.(more than usual) . . ." <

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Hi, I have been using the betaserone for a little over 2 mo. starting full dosage about 2 weeks ago. My injection sites for the last 6 times have become really red, tender and large.(more than usual). I do the injections REALLY slowly-and have begun doing them shallower than previously.and seem… to have less sickness? but the sites area real pain. Literally. Any hints? Ideas? I have done the ice thing but that, seemed to make it disperse more slowly. I keep watching to make sure the sites aren’t rotting out in the middle, but other than that I don’t know what to do. Any ideas – suggestions would be most welcome. Have those of you using the betaseron gotten to the place where the side effects even out? When is it? I keep telling myself, that this is just what I need to do, and if I can stick it out it will be worth it. Some days I don’t really believe me. Sheesh. thanks alot in advance, — —  Rita A. Miller – mille…@wsu.edu    * "You’re just jealous because the voices are talking to me."

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If you haven’t checked this site out yet, for accounting jobs, you’re missing out… http;//www.career-path.com I found my acct. job here… good luck!

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I’d been a little down lately, everything seems to be going kinda crappy lately.  So, Friday, I took a road trip to go visit a friend of mine who lives several hours away, I hadn’t seen him for a long time.  By the time I got there, it was late, so we just hung out and watched some videos, and I, of course, talked through the entirety of both movies. We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking.  I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained."  This is a friend who always has a hug for me, and is always sure to let me know he cares.  His roomate also made me an Easter basket. I was supposed to be back in town today, my family was getting together.  I got very delayed on the way back, and was over 2 hours late.  When I got to my parents’ house, I apologized for being late, and my aunt told me that it was ok, and that everyone was just glad I was there.  We had lots of the famous mile-a-minute family conversation, and everyone got along.  Not only that, but I got the first real, home-cooked meal I’ve had for a very long time, plus a ‘care package’ to take home (Yay! Grandma cookies!!). This weekend, I noticed that I have a lot of people in my life who really love me and accept me for who I am, with all my maddening faults and everything.  Sometimes, it must be hard for them to understand why I act the way I do.  It’s so easy to get upset when well-meaning friends and family tell you what they think is best for you and what you should do.  I’m starting to see this in a different light as I get older, as much as it used to piss me off when I was younger.  Just the fact that they care makes it a lot easier to live with everything when things aren’t going well.  I feel very lucky.  I had a very beautiful weekend.

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That’s very wonderful news!   You know, what you said about talking through every minute of the videos sounds like me.  My family and friends don’t like to watch anything with me because I do that.  I feel I’m not enjoying it fully unless I laugh and talk alot.  They roll their eyes or get quiet. That is one trait, plus my impulsive, rambling talking, where I say things I regret, that makes me think I may have ADD.  My son is diagnosed as having it, and my other son who is 25 may have it, and I’ve wondered if they got it from me.  I’m pretty organized tho and get a lot done.  I had my share of trouble in school and still struggle to learn new things when they are tedious to me.  I just push myself to learn what I need to on computer and bookkeeping/accounting etc. My hyper mouth has always made me feel as if something is wrong with me, could it be ADD or compulsive?  I also interrupt and dominate conversations even tho I try not to.  I can hardly end a phone conversation.  I feel as if I must constantly empty my mind verbally. Anyone with ADD who has these traits? — Colette

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" I noticed that I have a lot of people in my life who really love me and accept me for who I am, with all my maddening faults and everything." I think it was Shakespearwho said that you should measure a man’s (person’s) wealth not by what they have, but by what they would never give up.  It sounds to me as if you are a wealthy person! I’m glad that you took the time to take care of yourself. Sean Before you buy.

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We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking.  I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained."

Now this friend is a keeper! — "After long thought and much perplexity, to be very brief was all that she could determine on with any confidence of safety."      – Jane Austen in _Northanger Abbey_,

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My hyper mouth has always made me feel as if something is wrong with me, could it be ADD or compulsive?  I also interrupt and dominate conversations even tho I try not to.  I can hardly end a phone conversation.  I feel as if I must constantly empty my mind verbally. Anyone with ADD who has these traits?

Sounds a lot like me.  It’s an ADHD thing.  There are ways to learn the social skills that ADHDers tend to miss. — Nessa — does fuzzy logic tickle

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We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking.   I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained." Now this friend is a keeper!

My friends say that they all love me and wouldn’t change my ‘qurikiness’ since life with me is NEVER BORING. Problem is that you can’t expect everyone to adapt to you and learn to accept your quirks.   ADHDers have to learn to interact with everyone on their terms… it makes life easier in the long run. It’s the learning that is a hard thing…  I know I am working on those skills now. — Nessa — If trains stop at trains stations, what happens at work stations?

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Thanks, you pencil-necked geek, you. Sh*t, I hope one day *my* sons grow up to write such things about me. LJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d been a little down lately, everything seems to be going kinda crappy lately.  So, Friday, I took a road trip to go visit a friend of mine who lives several hours away, I hadn’t seen him for a long time.  By the time I got there, it was late, so we just hung out and watched some videos, and I, of course, talked through the entirety of both movies. We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking.  I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained."  This is a friend who always has a hug for me, and is always sure to let me know he cares.  His roomate also made me an Easter basket. I was supposed to be back in town today, my family was getting together.  I got very delayed on the way back, and was over 2 hours late.  When I got to my parents’ house, I apologized for being late, and my aunt told me that it was ok, and that everyone was just glad I was there.  We had lots of the famous mile-a-minute family conversation, and everyone got along.  Not only that, but I got the first real, home-cooked meal I’ve had for a very long time, plus a ‘care package’ to take home (Yay! Grandma cookies!!). This weekend, I noticed that I have a lot of people in my life who really love me and accept me for who I am, with all my maddening faults and everything.  Sometimes, it must be hard for them to understand why I act the way I do.  It’s so easy to get upset when well-meaning friends and family tell you what they think is best for you and what you should do.  I’m starting to see this in a different light as I get older, as much as it used to piss me off when I was younger.  Just the fact that they care makes it a lot easier to live with everything when things aren’t going well.  I feel very lucky.  I had a very beautiful weekend.

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The only other trait I recognize other than having daydreamed my way through school and struggled my way through college is being uncoordinated at sports, steering didn’t come naturally, even a sled, throwing or catching, etc. and being very impulsive about purchases, and jumpiing in with both feet to new interests and then changing interests fairly often.  I never seem to settle into anything completely. I’m not physically hyper at all.  I’m fairly organized and didn’t lose school papers, which was my son’s most obvious problem.  He also couldn’t learn very well…and neither could I in subjects I wasn’t interested in.   I’m still wondering if my kids got this from me.  Jesse’s Dad, who is diff. than Beau’s Dad had learning problems that stymied his career, but he was never diagnosed.  Jesse has diagn. ADD.  Beau has symptoms (25 yrs. old and never diagn.) –his Dad doesn’t have any symptoms. My eldest, Erich, doesn’t have any problems and he had same Dad as Beau. Hope that was clearer than mud.  Said that to say I’m still trying to figure out if Jesse and Beau inherited it from me.  I have the super hyper mouth problem, social skills problem, impulsive problem, and a hard time concentrating on something to learn it if it bores me.   Drinking coffee helps me get busy with paper work.  I’m not messy or disorganized.  I’m always on time and don’t lose things. I do forget what I was about to say mid sentence and get all side tracked when talking.  I talk faster and more than anyone I know.  I also wondered if it was a compulsion, but the more I read about ADHD the more I think it is impulsive and hyperactive.  I am aware that I’m not saying the right things when I’m saying them (probably unlike Asperger’s) and regret my lack of control as soon as I am alone.  I think, "Why couldn’t I shut up!" Thanks for letting me ramble.  Any insights? — Colette

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Drinking coffee helps me get busy with paper work.  I’m not messy or disorganized.  I’m always on time and don’t lose things.

Whew, you are lucky!  Those are some of my biggest probs.  Being aware of and keeping track of time is so hard for me.  I hate it. I do forget what I was about to say mid sentence and get all side tracked when talking.  I talk faster and more than anyone I know.  I also wondered if it was a compulsion, but the more I read about ADHD the more I think it is impulsive and hyperactive.  I am aware that I’m not saying the right things when I’m saying them (probably unlike Asperger’s) and regret my lack of control as soon as I am alone.  I think, "Why couldn’t I shut up!"

Unfortunately for me, regrets come much much later.  I do not know what I’m saying is not socially, politically, or emotionally correct at the time I said it. Most of the time I don’t even understand why people think what I think is wrong. Well, unlike you I DO have Asperger’s in addition to my ADHD. The Ritalin really helps my hyperverbality and impulsivity but it doesn’t help me at all with decoding social clues. I have been blessed with a really cool family.  We all know that I’m clueless in certain areas and we deal with it.  They make clearer requests and I ask for better directions.  Someone says I did such-and-such today or so-and-so said to me and I say what do you want me to say?  Oh, you want me to commiserate with you or Oh, you want me to say I can’t believe it.  Sounds stilted I know but it works for us. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hi, I am glad you had a good weekend, you have it so lucky  My friends don’t really understand what ADD is, so when I get angry, they get angry back and say it was my fault the whole time.  My parents don’t talk to me a lot anymore.  I made some mistakes in my past, I moved away from home and it took a long time for my Mom to even talk to me again.  I am trying to correct those mistakes now.  I dropped out of college when I was 19, I am 23 now and back in school.  I am still trying to work on my family situation, but it seems they don’t want to be flexible or support me.  I know they support my decision to go back to school, they are just not positive in it. They never call me either. Sorry if I went a little overboard, guess I had to get that out.  I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 4 years old.  I was on Ritalin in high school and getting ready to go back on it. Jenn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d been a little down lately, everything seems to be going kinda crappy lately.  So, Friday, I took a road trip to go visit a friend of mine who lives several hours away, I hadn’t seen him for a long time.  By the time I got there, it was late, so we just hung out and watched some videos, and I, of course, talked through the entirety of both movies. We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking. I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained."  This is a friend who always has a hug for me, and is always sure to let me know he cares.  His roomate also made me an Easter basket. I was supposed to be back in town today, my family was getting together. I got very delayed on the way back, and was over 2 hours late.  When I got to my parents’ house, I apologized for being late, and my aunt told me that it was ok, and that everyone was just glad I was there.  We had lots of the famous mile-a-minute family conversation, and everyone got along.  Not only that, but I got the first real, home-cooked meal I’ve had for a very long time, plus a ‘care package’ to take home (Yay! Grandma cookies!!). This weekend, I noticed that I have a lot of people in my life who really love me and accept me for who I am, with all my maddening faults and everything.  Sometimes, it must be hard for them to understand why I act the way I do.  It’s so easy to get upset when well-meaning friends and family tell you what they think is best for you and what you should do.  I’m starting to see this in a different light as I get older, as much as it used to piss me off when I was younger.  Just the fact that they care makes it a lot easier to live with everything when things aren’t going well.  I feel very lucky.  I had a very beautiful weekend.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d been a little down lately, everything seems to be going kinda crappy lately.  So, Friday, I took a road trip to go visit a friend of mine who lives several hours away, I hadn’t seen him for a long time.  By the time I got there, it was late, so we just hung out and watched some videos, and I, of course, talked through the entirety of both movies. We slept in the next morning and spent the next day outside, went hiking.  I exhausted my entire repetoire of (unintentional) irritating behavior through out the day.  He didn’t get upset with me.  Later, I asked him why he’s never lost his temper with me, like a lot people do.  His answer was, "I like it.  You keep me entertained."  This is a friend who always has a hug for me, and is always sure to let me know he cares.  His roomate also made me an Easter basket. I was supposed to be back in town today, my family was getting together.  I got very delayed on the way back, and was over 2 hours late.  When I got to my parents’ house, I apologized for being late, and my aunt told me that it was ok, and that everyone was just glad I was there.  We had lots of the famous mile-a-minute family conversation, and everyone got along.  Not only that, but I got the first real, home-cooked meal I’ve had for a very long time, plus a ‘care package’ to take home (Yay! Grandma cookies!!). This weekend, I noticed that I have a lot of people in my life who really love me and accept me for who I am, with all my maddening faults and everything.  Sometimes, it must be hard for them to understand why I act the way I do.  It’s so easy to get upset when well-meaning friends and family tell you what they think is best for you and what you should do.  I’m starting to see this in a different light as I get older, as much as it used to piss me off when I was younger.  Just the fact that they care makes it a lot easier to live with everything when things aren’t going well.  I feel very lucky.  I had a very beautiful weekend.

You should tell the ones you love and who will love you no matter what about your ADD because it shows them you are doing something about it and you value their friendship enough to trust them.

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Yes, it looks like that program will export all the data. Problem is, there is apparently no way to get it back into QB from there. If you could do that, you could probably reduce the bloat.

You can take the Datablox data in the Access tables and create iif files (with Access) and import it back into any QB file. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -moderator (mike block) note: This thread started with comments from those who wanted to leave QB, so I mentioned a solution that works well. It will take some programming to end the file bloat problem. However, this program has what we need to do it: http://www.quickiifx.com/ QuickIIFx provides an ActiveX object interface to QuickBooks Information Interchange Format (IIF) files, dramatically simplifying the effort involved in reading and WRITING these file formats. My Russian connection can do it for less than $1,000 in less than 2 months. All I need is an indication there will be reasonable numbers of customers for the service or program once we do it. So far I have not gotten that. Reports yes, data no. There is no way to export all the data, such as transactions. I most respectfully disagree. Recent versions of QB create classic journal entries for all transactions. You can, I believe, Customize these to show data from all fields. You also can use http://www.datablox.com/ to export the entire QB database to Excel or Access.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.  World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Yes, it looks like that program will export all the data. Problem is, there is apparently no way to get it back into QB from there. If you could do that, you could probably reduce the bloat. moderator (mike block) note: This thread started with comments from those who wanted to leave QB, so I mentioned a solution that works well. It will take some programming to end the file bloat problem. However, this program has what we need to do it:       http://www.quickiifx.com/         QuickIIFx provides an ActiveX object interface to QuickBooks         Information Interchange Format (IIF) files, dramatically simplifying         the effort involved in reading and WRITING these file formats. My Russian connection can do it for less than $1,000 in less than 2 months. All I need is an indication there will be reasonable numbers of customers for the service or program once we do it. So far I have not gotten that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Reports yes, data no. There is no way to export all the data, such as transactions. I most respectfully disagree. Recent versions of QB create classic journal entries for all transactions. You can, I believe, Customize these to show data from all fields. You also can use http://www.datablox.com/ to export the entire QB database to Excel or Access.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.  World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Reports yes, data no. There is no way to export all the data, such as transactions.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why don’t you want to upgrade?  QB Pro 99 works much better and you can export reports to Excel in a snap. Paula

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Why don’t you want to upgrade?  QB Pro 99 works much better and you can export reports to Excel in a snap.

Reports yes, data no. There is no way to export all the data, such as transactions.

I most respectfully disagree. Recent versions of QB create classic journal entries for all transactions. You can, I believe, Customize these to show data from all fields. You also can use http://www.datablox.com/ to export the entire QB database to Excel or Access.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.              World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. ….. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5? http://www.datablox.com/ for a QB to Access program. Thanks Mike. I guess the ransom to spring my data is $179. That will teach me to use crappy software like QB that insists on holding *my* data hostage. I think complete export facilities should have been built into QB in the first place. I am simply disgusted by software companies that constantly change file formats to railroad users into upgrading (M$ with every version of Office), hold data hostage (M$, Intuit), ship buggy crap and then release service packs to fix all the problems caused by the previous service packs (M$ with NT SP3-SP5), nickel and dime users to death for little or no perceived value (M$, Intuit – did I really need the dancing paper-clip in Office 97?).

I agree data export should be built in. It was the most requested feature by QB6 beta testers. However, the value – cost ratio of QB, for almost all small business, is incredibly high compared to other current and older programs. That is why it has had 80%+ of its market for years. You can print a journal, with all data (Customize) to an Excel file and then import into Access to format. However, you will spend lots of time. I have long had the Datablox program and can do most exports for $40.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.              World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Why don’t you want to upgrade?  QB Pro 99 works much better and you can export reports to Excel in a snap. Paula

Wait for QB2000, which is now out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. Recently, I had to reinstall the software on a new drive when I ran out of disk space on the disk containing QB Pro and since then, I have had a problem with the display of data in things like invoices, bills, and purchase orders. Some of the text fields contain non-printable ASCII characters which make the document in question look like gibberish on the screen. It looks fine if I click into the text field in question or print the document so clearly, there is nothing wrong with the data. The fields look fine if I force a redraw by resizing the window containing the document. I have gone back to a tape backup of the application to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions besides upgrading to a later version? The problem outlined above and the fact that QB Pro is not meeting my needs for inventory have forced me to contemplate what I would do in the event of a disaster. I do regular backups but know all too well that there may be undiagnosed problems with the backups as well. I have not found any obvious way to get *all* my data out of QB Pro into tab-delimited text files in order to be able to import it into another application. Quicken’s import and export facilities seem to be rather weak. I do not feel comfortable entrusting my company’s accounting data to an application designed by a company that seems to be intent on holding my data hostage. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5?

  Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.              World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Hi Paula, I will not upgrade to QB 99 because: 1. There is the issue of Canadian vs. US version. I need the Canadian version and I believe the current Canadian version is 6. 2. Mike Block pointed out that QB 2000 is around the corner, not that I am considering upgrading to that either unless it has addressed the subsequent points. 3. The way QB handles inventory is pretty rudimentary. I need something that will handle sub-assemblies. 4. I do not want my data held hostage. My data is worth much more than the accounting application. If the datafile is hosed, I want to be able to at the very least to export to a tab-delimited text file so that I can either create a new QB file or migrate to something else. Intuit should try to keep me as a customer not by locking me in but by providing better value than I can get elsewhere. 5. I think it is ludicrous that I cannot fax or better yet, e-mail invoices to my clients directly from within QB even if the client also happens to use QB. 6. I was not happy with how QB dealt with GST which is the Canadian federal government’s equivalent of the European VAT. QB 4 treated GST differently than QB 5. When I upgraded to QB 5, I ended up with GST(old) and GST accounts in my COA. There was no obvious way that I have found to combine the two so that I could have one unified view of how much GST I owed or was due for the period of the conversion to QB 5. Now all entries are made to the new GST account but it was still poorly handled. QB 5 should have given me the option of consolidating the two accounts. Other than that, I like QB:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Why don’t you want to upgrade?  QB Pro 99 works much better and you can export reports to Excel in a snap. Paula Hi, I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. Recently, I had to reinstall the software on a new drive when I ran out of disk space on the disk containing QB Pro and since then, I have had a problem with the display of data in things like invoices, bills, and purchase orders. Some of the text fields contain non-printable ASCII characters which make the document in question look like gibberish on the screen. It looks fine if I click into the text field in question or print the document so clearly, there is nothing wrong with the data. The fields look fine if I force a redraw by resizing the window containing the document. I have gone back to a tape backup of the application to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions besides upgrading to a later version? The problem outlined above and the fact that QB Pro is not meeting my needs for inventory have forced me to contemplate what I would do in the event of a disaster. I do regular backups but know all too well that there may be undiagnosed problems with the backups as well. I have not found any obvious way to get *all* my data out of QB Pro into tab-delimited text files in order to be able to import it into another application. Quicken’s import and export facilities seem to be rather weak. I do not feel comfortable entrusting my company’s accounting data to an application designed by a company that seems to be intent on holding my data hostage. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5?

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I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. ….. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5?

http://www.datablox.com/ for a QB to Access program.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.              World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Why don’t you want to upgrade?  QB Pro 99 works much better and you can export reports to Excel in a snap. Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. Recently, I had to reinstall the software on a new drive when I ran out of disk space on the disk containing QB Pro and since then, I have had a problem with the display of data in things like invoices, bills, and purchase orders. Some of the text fields contain non-printable ASCII characters which make the document in question look like gibberish on the screen. It looks fine if I click into the text field in question or print the document so clearly, there is nothing wrong with the data. The fields look fine if I force a redraw by resizing the window containing the document. I have gone back to a tape backup of the application to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions besides upgrading to a later version? The problem outlined above and the fact that QB Pro is not meeting my needs for inventory have forced me to contemplate what I would do in the event of a disaster. I do regular backups but know all too well that there may be undiagnosed problems with the backups as well. I have not found any obvious way to get *all* my data out of QB Pro into tab-delimited text files in order to be able to import it into another application. Quicken’s import and export facilities seem to be rather weak. I do not feel comfortable entrusting my company’s accounting data to an application designed by a company that seems to be intent on holding my data hostage. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5?

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Thanks Mike. I guess the ransom to spring my data is $179. That will teach me to use crappy software like QB that insists on holding *my* data hostage. I think complete export facilities should have been built into QB in the first place. I am simply disgusted by software companies that constantly change file formats to railroad users into upgrading (M$ with every version of Office), hold data hostage (M$, Intuit), ship buggy crap and then release service packs to fix all the problems caused by the previous service packs (M$ with NT SP3-SP5), nickel and dime users to death for little or no perceived value (M$, Intuit – did I really need the dancing paper-clip in Office 97?). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. ….. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5? http://www.datablox.com/ for a QB to Access program.  Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.             World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/   Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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Hi, I am running QB Pro 5 single user on NT 4 SP3 with 192M of RAM. The OS and hardware platform have been stable for some time. Recently, I had to reinstall the software on a new drive when I ran out of disk space on the disk containing QB Pro and since then, I have had a problem with the display of data in things like invoices, bills, and purchase orders. Some of the text fields contain non-printable ASCII characters which make the document in question look like gibberish on the screen. It looks fine if I click into the text field in question or print the document so clearly, there is nothing wrong with the data. The fields look fine if I force a redraw by resizing the window containing the document. I have gone back to a tape backup of the application to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions besides upgrading to a later version? The problem outlined above and the fact that QB Pro is not meeting my needs for inventory have forced me to contemplate what I would do in the event of a disaster. I do regular backups but know all too well that there may be undiagnosed problems with the backups as well. I have not found any obvious way to get *all* my data out of QB Pro into tab-delimited text files in order to be able to import it into another application. Quicken’s import and export facilities seem to be rather weak. I do not feel comfortable entrusting my company’s accounting data to an application designed by a company that seems to be intent on holding my data hostage. Does anyone know how to get *all* the data out of QB Pro 5?

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Todd, client /server is far from dead.   It seems that you are equating SQL to fat clients? We came full circle and we will go again.  As soon as everything runs great on thin client(i.e. the mainframe from 20 years ago) someone will start touting the faster thick client.   The future is client/server tools where anything can run anywhere.  That way the system can be optimized to run local or remote. Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carl, this is an important debate and it’s important not to go around in circles like so many exchanges on usenet, wasting our time. There is a fundamental change taking place in the Windows software market.  Reliability problems are a very, very expensive problem for all businesses large and small.  These problems are caused by  - user error or abuse of the machine,  - network-related problems often coupled with NIC driver problems  - wide variety of low-quality hardware that just isn’t up to spec,     and should have never been sold to the public, causing the     occasional bit to be lost  - errors and problems in firmware, such as motherboard BIOSs  - errors in motherboard design  - bugs in the Microsoft Windows platform  - bugs in the Accounting software application including all its     data handling layers etc.  - DLL conflicts caused by Microsoft’s design which calls for putting     DLL components of completely unrelated software in the same     directory (the main binaries directory of the OS, making it evn     worse)  - bad design choices in the Microsoft Windows platform in management     of programs in memory, allowing them to corrupt other processes  - continual upgrades and changes to the Microsoft Windows platform     at intervals which are too short for Accountnig software vendors     to publish upgrades to their software to be compatible with Mickey’s     newest design changes… which Mickey is doing for Mickey’s own     profit, let’s not forget that.  And often to support *applications*     which Mickey is selling to compete directly with independent     application vendors. I could wear out my fingers writing all this and it makes me extremely frustrated to think of it all, quite frankly, and  particularly to have to explain it to vendors of software built on Microsoft platforms. The software industry is totally aware of these and has been working overtime making software more like the browser– i.e. the whole thing doesn’t destroy itself and corrupt the files if the network connection is broken, or if the connection between software components in memory is broken.  Right?  Aren’t you seeing that too?  10 years ago you opened an application on a Novell LAN and opened up fifty pointers to blocks on disk.  If anything went wrong the file was hosed.  Today you open up DCOM connections to SQL server but you don’t have anny opportunity to corrupt the database directly. The Idea of an application talking directly to another applicationover a LAN with DCOM is what is going out of style.  Even in the unix environment the same thing has happened. Running X windows over the internet is NOT a realistic businss solution.  Especially since it can be done so much better with HTTP. — It’s all history as far as I’m concerned.  The world’s accounting will move to hosts on the internet for many reasons, that have little to do with our theological discussion about RDBMSs.  The main reason is that it has grown increasingly difficult and expensive to maintain accounting appplications on drive C: or even on an expensive, high quality fileserver or applicaion server on a LAN. As internet speeds go from 56K V90, to 256K DSL, to megabit and ethernet speeds, don’t you think it’s rather obvious that the accounting software will be maintained more cheaply in a shared host someplace? As the complexity and interconnectedness of internet commerce grows in coming years, don’t you think the developers of packaged software will be unable to keep up with the potentials?  The pattern I see is that the innovation curve has flipped.  Before the quick brown fox was on the desktop, jumping over the lazy dogs of unix and mainframe software.  Now, the potentials of B2B commerce are being achieved only by megabuck Oracle financials, Great Plains, and related vertical applications.  Small businesses who want to send invoices electroncally, pay bills electronically, POs and ASNs online, etc and have an integrated view of their cyber/meatspace storefronts can get that by buying $100,000 systems and hiring $100,000 engineers—or signing up for BOL. Which do you think they will do? There are cruel advantages to the internet hosts.  They can connect with 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 credit card providers.  Once it’s working the Web GL operator can use those connections for 100 user, or 1000, or 1000000 users. Your idea of installing Microsoft SQL server into small business locations, coupled with an extensive application for accounting and managing the business, represents a decision by those businesses that they will carry on Ecommerce thru remote proxy (web host providers) and pay a lot of money for contiual integration at the fronttier between those systems. It dooms them to participating with the internet economy only by messaging, basically.  Heres why:  To operate a real internet site that involves money (and it surely must), the small business must solve the security problem, alone.  That is really the killer. Far wiser to understand the offerings of those web hosting companies who evolve up to the level that they provide the whole accounting solution (integrated inventory, payables, receivables, project, costing, time/billing or whatever your industry needs)   Just as we finally gave up fixing our cars and admitted it is far more practical and cheaper to either pay the garage to fix them or just sell the damned thing, and buy a new one. I see client-server systems, specifically SQL-based client-server systems, as the result of decades of engineering and experimention. The point is that data will be stored in a file format somewhere, and there must be standardized methods to access the data.  Structured Query Language started strong and grew stronger as it migrated from mainframes to minicomputers to PCs.  It has survived the cut everytime, for decades. Thin clients?  The thinnest client was the dumb terminal.  Clients may get thinner, but hard disks, RAM, and processing power are so inexpensive that a portion of the storage and processing burden should reside on the individual workstation, reducing the burden on the server and the communication links. SQL system prices are dropping; Microsoft claims to have demonstrated similar performance to Oracle for 1/16th the cost.   I refer to their press release: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/1999/03-16sql.htm Respectfully, – Carl Dick I am wondering if there is Accounting Software that can act as a front end while SQL is used as it’s backend.  Any suggestions? Client Server is dead.  It will cost you far more than its worth.  You’re coming at the tail end of a mature technology that never got cheap.  It just Look for something thin. Todd

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all the guy wanted was a recommendation or two on scaleable accounting packages that he could integrate into his existing system setup without two much grief, and this thread has become a debate on the theoretical evolution of internet and accounting software. Lets get back to the initial question, guys. I was in public for 5 years selling and maintaing accounting packages ranging from One Write Plus and Quickbooks to Solomon IV, MAS 90 and Great Plains. Now I am in industry and have been for several years and have actually been a user of several packages. While not perfect (and no package is, regardless what the reseller says), Solomon does have a microsoft sql version of their program that will integrate and allow the use of your access queries. I dont have the vendor information handy, but I am sure you can locate the web site easy enough. Regards, Matt Bunin, CPA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -all the guy wanted was a recommendation or two on scaleable accounting packages that he could integrate into his existing system setup without two much grief, and this thread has become a debate on the theoretical evolution of internet and accounting software. Lets get back to the initial question, guys. I was in public for 5 years selling and maintaing accounting packages ranging from One Write Plus and Quickbooks to Solomon IV, MAS 90 and Great Plains. Now I am in industry and have been for several years and have actually been a user of several packages. While not perfect (and no package is, regardless what the reseller says), Solomon does have a microsoft sql version of their program that will integrate and allow the use of your access queries. I dont have the vendor information handy, but I am sure you can locate the web site easy enough. Regards, Matt Bunin, CPA

Good points Matt.   Good for you.  Why don’t you just keep up the good work, and maintain things that actually work for people, and get us down the road another year until the web ledgers get a bit more mature. Just a reminder, don’t expect a long life from the stuff. Keep it simple and practical. TOdd

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Try digita.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are currently in the process of merging our MIS together in order to maintain accurate data.  However, QuickbooksPro (our current accounting software) does not support other data sources except it’s own.  Our main company database is a SQL backend with a customized Access front end. I am wondering if there is Accounting Software that can act as a front end while SQL is used as it’s backend.  Any suggestions? — Jack H. Phan IT Director Handyman Online

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It may work, but it makes me cranky!

Aaron, i am just curious, does the stack also raise your heart rate? or cause irregular beats? rosie

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I believe the moniker is applied due to the effect, not do to the nature of the action of the herb.  In other words, there isn’t any reason to believe that Ephedra causes the same problems that fen-phen did–it may do the same thing but it works differently.

My doctor warned me against it.  He said "speed" is "speed" no matter how it’s packaged. It all has the same effects on the body and metabolism.  Long term use can mess you up.  If you’re predisposed to problems with it you will have them with this junk too. ___ Laura B. 203/180/150  first time 6-98  190/180/150 second round 6-99 (or until my IQ is higher than my bodyweight (remove spamless to e-mail)

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"There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," said Metabolife’s Dr. Randy Smith. " **end paste** lol — why doesn’t this surprise me?????? It may work, but it makes me cranky!

Being shot would make me cranky, too. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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It may work, but it makes me cranky! i am just curious, does the stack also raise your heart rate? or cause irregular beats?

I can’t tell if they’re actually irregular but it feels like I’m racing and it is "skipping". I never combined it with St. John’s Wort, though. Aaron D. Gross  alt.support.diet.low-carb FAQ: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc (245/213/185)

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"There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," said Metabolife’s Dr. Randy Smith. " **end paste** lol — why doesn’t this surprise me?????? It may work, but it makes me cranky! Being shot would make me cranky, too.

I was held up at gunpoint at the student grocery where Normn and I both worked while in college.  (Told to lie, face down, told I would have my brains blown out if I moved, then forced into the walk-in refrigerator with the two managers who were with me closing the store. The robber tried to wire the frig shut but didn’t know that by law in NYC, walk-in refrigerators must have an interior handle that works even if the outside handle is padlocked.) I dropped 10 lbs that night. If I could be held up without harm 3 times this week, I’d reach my target weight! Aaron D. Gross  alt.support.diet.low-carb FAQ: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc (245/213/185)

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I just read the report and have one question….I have read numerous information pages on stacking and never once read that it was herbal fee-phen. Is Thermadrene jsut another name for Herbal fen-phen?

Herbal pen-phen is a name used for various combinations of Ma Huang and other herbs.  Most often it refers the combination of Ma Huang and St. John’s Wort. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I took Metabolife for three months in a much smaller dose than was recommended for my weight.  I took only one a day and on a recent visit to my physicican my blood pressure was elevated.  I told my doctor that I was on Metabolife and she said that it has been known to cause paplitations and high blood pressure.  She said the only way to really tell is to get off and monitor my BP. When I stopped taking it, my BP went back to normal.  I guess everyone may not react to it.  Just be wise and if you become symptomatic, stop taking it. Linda 243/218/150

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i just heard about this on CNN,  the government has sent the FDA  back to look for more information, and states that it does not have enough facts yet! i personally still think its dangerous and should be regulated, but thats — read and post, rosie The only time we should look down on another person, Is when we are bending over to help them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes looks like the government won’t be getting it’s paternalistic claws into our WOL any time soon….. http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9908/04/ephedra.safety/index.html **Begin paste from above URL** "The GAO report is considered a victory for dietary supplements. Metabolife International, one of the largest distributors of ephedra in the United States, says many of the people in the FDA reports who died may have been taking the supplement, but it didn’t kill them. "There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," said Metabolife’s Dr. Randy Smith. " **end paste** lol — why doesn’t this surprise me??????

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes looks like the government won’t be getting it’s paternalistic claws into our WOL any time soon….. http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9908/04/ephedra.safety/index.html **Begin paste from above URL** "The GAO report is considered a victory for dietary supplements. Metabolife International, one of the largest distributors of ephedra in the United States, says many of the people in the FDA reports who died may have been taking the supplement, but it didn’t kill them. "There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," said Metabolife’s Dr. Randy Smith. " **end paste** lol — why doesn’t this surprise me??????

It may work, but it makes me cranky!

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"There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," ….snip….. It may work, but it makes me cranky!

Maybe it was the shooter who was on ephedra,  not the victim.  :)

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here is a complete paste from 1010wins.com Report: FDA Evidence too Weak to Restrict Ephedra – August 4, 1999 at 17:29:15 A new government report released Wednesday says the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not have the evidence needed to put restrictions on ephedra, a popular weight loss herb the federal agency considers dangerous. Ephedra, also called ma huang, epitonin and sida cordifolia, contains stimulants known chemically as ephedrine. It has been promoted as a natural version of the once-popular diet drug combination fen-phen. The FDA had proposed limits on ephedrine levels in supplements and warning labels recommending ephedra products be taken for no more than seven days. The General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, was asked to look into the FDA’s proposed restrictions after the dietary supplements industry approached Congress about the FDA’s conclusions. Since 1994, the FDA has had more than 800 reports of side effects from ephedrine, including heart palpitations, psychosis, heart attacks and strokes. But the GAO said the FDA needed to provide better evidence to support the proposed restrictions, according to a memo prepared by the House Science Committee staff. "FDA needs to provide stronger evidence on the relationship between the intake of dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids and the occurrence of adverse reactions," the GAO said. The FDA relied heavily on so-called Adverse Events Reports without providing its usual follow-up investigation, the GAO said. The GAO report is considered a victory for dietary supplements. Metabolife International, one of the largest distributors of ephedra in the United States, says many of the people in the FDA reports who died may have been taking the supplement, but it didn’t kill them. "There are reports in there where someone was shot and killed in a grocery story, and they happened to be taking an ephedra dietary supplement," said Metabolife’s Dr. Randy Smith. Still, University of Arkansas pharmacologist Bill Gurley said he is worried about people who take ephedra products for many weeks or who take more than the recommended dosage on the label. "You have to realize that these things are potent cardiac stimulants, and when you are exercising and lifting heavy weights, you are already taxing your cardiovascular system, and all this does is make it work harder," said Gurley. Gurley has analyzed approximately 20 ephedra products and found great variability in the amount of active ingredient, not only between products but often within the same brand. "If a conventional pharmaceutical company had this kind of quality control, the FDA would shut them down in a heartbeat," Gurley said. A 1994 federal law essentially removed dietary supplements, like herbs, from FDA control. As a result, supplements aren’t subjected to the same strict clinical testing standards as prescription and most over-the- counter drugs. Though it won’t appear on the label, the FDA continues to recommend that those who are pregnant or have high blood pressure, heart conditions or neurological disorders avoid ephedra-based products. fefe 191*/169**/148/137 *1-1-97 **1-25-99 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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x-no-archive: yes looks like the government won’t be getting it’s paternalistic claws into our WOL any time soon…..

Started stacking today and so far feel fine.  But, I’m only doing half the dose so I see how my body reacts to ephedra. Ann

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I just read the report and have one question….I have read numerous information pages on stacking and never once read that it was herbal fee-phen. Is Thermadrene jsut another name for Herbal fen-phen? Sonia 335/298/? (I’ll know when I get there) 4/29/99 Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after another. –Walter Elliott

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I just read the report and have one question….I have read numerous information pages on stacking and never once read that it was herbal fee-phen. Is Thermadrene jsut another name for Herbal fen-phen?

I believe the moniker is applied due to the effect, not do to the nature of the action of the herb.  In other words, there isn’t any reason to believe that Ephedra causes the same problems that fen-phen did–it may do the same thing but it works differently. Brian Charles Kohn               (275/244/)259/254/175  Restarted: 7/6/99 "Hope, not fear, is the best advocate of action." (Remove NOSPAM from Reply-To address to send email.)

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I think what some people do for their pets is disgusting.

hey! they’ve got as much right to affordable healthcare as the rest of us do… how sad my home would be if my kits weren’t there to curl up with me after a cold day on the river… http://rivervision.netmegs.com/brooke/lnm.html -brooke

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Then again, I have no intention of getting an AARP card ’til I’m 70 or so…

I absolutely detested getting that AARP card. The wife made my application without my knowing about it. But, I’ve gotta admit, the discounts are nice . . . — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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I absolutely detested getting that AARP card. The wife made my application without my knowing about it. But, I’ve gotta admit, the discounts are nice . . .

My dog is on heart medicine I couldn’t afford without that AARP Pharmacy!

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I think what some people do for their pets is disgusting. I hear some guy up in Canada has his dog on estrogen which effectively fixes up her incontinence. But I never thought of using my drug plan to pay for it. … Hmmmmm. Lyle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dog is on heart medicine I couldn’t afford without that AARP Pharmacy!

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I used turning 60 as an excuse to buy a new boat. "Significant" birthdays should always be celebrated properly by doing something significant.

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I used turning 60 as an excuse to buy a new boat. "Significant" birthdays should always be celebrated properly by doing something significant.

i LIKE this idea. I wonder how significant I can make my next one, hmmm… — Glenn Ward To reply, remove nospam from sig.

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Before I was 40, I wanted to run the upper Gauley because I was convinced that after 40, I could never handle it.  At 57, I run the Gauley routinely.  What are the differences?  The challenge is still a kick, but Death Risk isn’t what it is cut up to be after a few close shaves.  The River is still constant.  The rules don’t change.  If you push the envelope, your good luck will eventually run out.  I won’t run the Cranberry at flood, the Gauley at 8000 cfs, the Upper Blackwater, the Russell Fork, etc.  Done that.  Wasn’t fun.  So, 50 is a stress landmark.  Playing a great hole is still every bit as fun, but survival ferries lose their mystique.

    My fifties were more fun than my forties.  Now that I’m in my sixties I’ve been thinking that I MIGHT think about slowing up, but hell, why should I?  I’m having too much fun.  Besides, I’m still running everything that I did back in my forties and then some. Jim

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Hmm….  Never occurred to me to change my style at 50.  I didn’t see 50 as a turning point at all, unless it was to do that year what I wasn’t quite able to do at 49. Then again, I have no intention of getting an AARP card ’til I’m 70 or so… Brad Snow

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     responding to Peik’s you gotta be in VERY bad shape to be unable to sit in a boat        said: Agreed.  That’s when I plan to take up kayaking.

Well, Floater,you’ve been my friend BUT this was a most unfortunate thing for you to LET OUT… NOW,I’m afraid, all my buds that saw me race up (and pass) 50 and thought "Wow, look at him paddling a Kayak all winter! and his Open all summer!" ; will now realize it didn’t have anything to do w/ testosterone…. but it’s those 80 year old knees attached to that lean 50 yr old machine…. what a shame and sham Grieving, Barnett.

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50 is like any other rapid . . . Scout it, but don’t think about it too long. Just pick your line and run it. There are plenty more rapids downstream.

2 points to consider here: I’m 48 and my paddling is still improving. One day it won’t improve any more, but IME you gotta be in VERY bad shape to be unable to sit in a boat. One day this will happen to me, not soon I hope. Then it’ll be nice to have an alternative passtime to keep me happy off the river: — Peik Borud Norway

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you gotta be in VERY bad shape to be unable to sit in a boat.   One day this

will happen to me, not soon I hope. Then it’ll be nice to have an alternative passtime to keep me happy<< Agreed.  That’s when I plan to take up kayaking. Dick Creswell "The worst river trip I ever had was wonderful"

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Before I was 40, I wanted to run the upper Gauley
because I was convinced that after 40, I could never
handle it.  At 57, I run the Gauley routinely.  What
are the differences?  The challenge is still a kick,
but Death Risk isn’t what it is cut up to be after a
few close shaves.  The River is still constant.  The
rules don’t change.  If you push the envelope, your
good luck will eventually run out.  I won’t run the
Cranberry at flood, the Gauley at 8000 cfs, the Upper
Blackwater, the Russell Fork, etc.  Done that.  Wasn’t
fun.  So, 50 is a stress landmark.  Playing a great
hole is still every bit as fun, but survival ferries
lose their mystique.
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A River Rat looks at 50: Aside from the increase in the number and duration of minor aches and pains, I had never really thought much about aging.  Until, that is, I went to my family physician to get some medication for an ear infection.  He flipped through my chart and finally muttered "You don’t come to see us very often". "Only when I get broken", I replied. And then he spoke those words that have been on my mind every since; "At your age …" He was right.  I had neglected a fair amount of maintainence on my physical plant.  He scheduled and I submitted to all the tests that I should have had done periodically over the years.  The results only confirmed what I already knew.  I should be in better cardio-vascular shape.  I should watch my cholesterol, weight and blood pressure. Years back, when none of these were a concern, I really thought I could burn the candle at both ends. Heck, those were things that only plague *old* people.  Now, "at my age", apparently,  I am one.  Next year at 50, I can get my AARP card. By nearly any accounting, I stand on the threshold of the final third of my life.  8 inches of the ruler gone. I could buy 30 "Year at a Glance" charts, put them on the wall and view every day of the rest of my life.  Several friends have already died without every standing at the doorstep of this new frontier. Now some would find all of this depressing.  But I find it highly motivating. The imperative has become to make conscious choices about how that last 20+ quality years should be lived.  If I average one a year, what twenty adventures should I pursue? On the Gotta Do Rafting List: (#1) Top of this list is the Grand Canyon trip I am 4000 names away from taking.        I figure 6 to 8 years out for this.   (1 year sometime around 2005 – 2007) (#2) Minnesota to Hudson’s Bay.       First leg:      Little Fork Headwaters to Rainey River as far as Lake of the Woods.       Second leg:  Lake of the Woods to Lake Winnipeg via the Winnipeg river.       Third leg:      Lake Winnipeg.  (Sailed solo or with another hearty soul)       Final leg:      Nelson river to Hudson’s Bay.  (4 years – 1999 or 2000 for first leg) (#3) The Yukon river:  Whitehorse to as far as one can get on a summer vacation trip.        (1999 or 2000) (#4)  Nahanni River.  Another family summer vacation. (#5)  Rio Grande River:  Lajitas to Langtry.  Early summer or early autumn vacation. On the Nice Addition List: (no particular order) Copper River – Alaska A Barrens river trip – Thelon? The Mackenzie? Quebec. Then there are the permit lotteries:  Maybe a MF Salmon and/or Main Salmon sometime in the next 10 years. All of these trips match our family’s enjoyment profile:  Extended trips (150 miles+), all either wilderness or very remote.  This may change of course as my daughter moves deeper into her teenage years and I start getting dumber by the year. Not every summer can be spent on the river.  There will have to be a couple of European vacations:   One as the journey to our roots (both my wife and I are half Finnish), the other pure tourist. The original plan had been to continue rafting until the Grand Canyon permit came through and  then perform a paradigm shift:  Decommission the raft and move on to something else.  Sailing is a likely successor.  Or long distance hiking.  (Nevada – NE to SW).  The actual activity really doesn’t matter.  The intrinsic reward is still the same.  There is simply some great joy in following your sense of adventure.  It must be genetic.  A link to our ancestor’s need to move ever-westward (and northward). What I remember most about aging is my father’s comment when I had just turned 40.  I told him I felt still felt 21  inside.  At 72, in failing health and on oxygen, he looked at me, smiled, and said "Yeah, me too."  Our bodies will decline, but the spirit of our youth lives forever. Blakely LaCroix You are not what it is that you are not doing.

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A River Rat looks at 50:

<much good stuff snipped And then he spoke those words that have been on my mind every since; "At your age …"

<clip Now some would find all of this depressing.  But I find it highly motivating. The imperative has become to make conscious choices about how that last 20+ quality years should be lived.  If I average one a year, what twenty adventures should I pursue? On the Gotta Do Rafting List: (#1) Top of this list is the Grand Canyon trip I am 4000 names away from taking.        I figure 6 to 8 years out for this.   (1 year sometime around 2005 – 2007)

Hey, you don’t have to wait THAT long. Join a mailing list like the Grand Canyon Boaters list and see if someone would like company on their trip. Or phone in for cancellations – you may get a launch on short notice (30- to 90 days out) but it beats waiting for years by a long shot. None of us really can afford to wait 6 to 8 years at a point when 6 to 8 years may see vastly changed personal circumstances. I think that my point to you and other folks looking at 50 (from either side) is that you gotta do it now. Or at least much closer to now than you might have thought before. If I were you, I’d take some steps to increase your chances and options for a trip down the Colorado. See the GC Boaters archive at           http://songbird.com/gcboaters/archive/ See the Grand Canyon Private Boaters Association at http://www.flagstaff.az.us/~gcpba/ See Robert Marley’s Grand Canyon pages starting at         http://www.amug.org/~kwagunt/gctrips.html and there certainly are a lot of other web sources for Grand Canyon info. <snippo What I remember most about aging is my father’s comment when I had just turned 40.  I told him I felt still felt 21  inside.  At 72, in failing health and on oxygen, he looked at me, smiled, and said "Yeah, me too."  Our bodies will decline, but the spirit of our youth lives forever. Blakely LaCroix You are not what it is that you are not doing.

Let’s go rafting! — Michael (ageing as I write this) Dooley Grand Canyon Rafting http://www.sonic.net/mdooley/rivrpage.html

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A River Rat looks at 50:

                  < sniperooski Heck, those were things that only plague *old* people.  Now, "at my age", apparently,  I am one.  Next year at 50, I can get my AARP card.

– Hi Blakely :       Great post ! I also have a list like yours. BTW don’t bother AARP will send you a card. That’s when 50 really hit me. I stood in my driveway staring down at my shiny new AARP card for a long time. Ouch ! Floatin, John

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A River Rat looks at 50: (#3) The Yukon river:  Whitehorse to as far as one can get on a summer

vacation Nearly everyone goes to Dawson City. I hope to in 99 (#4)  Nahanni River.  Another family summer vacation.

See my video at: http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/CanoeBC A Barrens river trip – Thelon?

If you haven’t been north of 60 and in particular north of the tree line — you never really lived. The Mackenzie?

A very big river. My choice would be the Bonnet Plume/Peel again. Sincerely, Carey Robson President – Recreational Canoeing Association of British Columbia Master Instructor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/CanoeBC

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hey blakely – i’m all for "burning the candle at both ends" whatever your age – the only moment we ever really have is now – so happy birthday! – and enjoy your tripping. . . . – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky) "Life on the newsgroup is a strange gestalt of folks who are brethern at heart the long distance trippers, and rads throwing ends, and those who ask how to start" – CubicDog

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The fact that you are planning your life is telling me that you do have a 20 years old attitude … the fact you are 50 is just a fact of life, no big deal. Happy paddling, Fred Fred Mechini http://pluto.njcc.com/~fmec WEB page dedicated to the sport of Sprint Kayak

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50 is like any other rapid . . . Scout it, but don’t think about it too long. Just pick your line and run it. There are plenty more rapids downstream. Dick Creswell "The worst river trip I ever had was wonderful" Dick Creswell "The worst river trip I ever had was wonderful"

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50 is like any other rapid . . . Scout it, but don’t think about it too long. Just pick your line and run it. There are plenty more rapids downstream.

Good advice.  I tainted many a day on the Grand Canyon worrying about Crystal when I was still miles above it. I got 10 years until 50: I’ll swim it when I get to it. The longer you look at it, the harder it gets. —                      myron buck (riverman): DoD #9250                O                                             O_               /     ACGWB #2              1995 VN750   _____</_____            ( )( )   BWOB #4        1970 Bluehole 17A   ___ /_____/

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   The only problem about being 50 (or older) is dealing with how embarrassed the 20, 30, and 40 year olds often are when they can’t keep up with you.    Also – some advice:  laugh alot; it’s good for you and everyone else around you, on water and off.       /      / R     /   A                 /  /          _ _ _ _ _/        _ _ _ _ _/    _ _ _ _ _/ RI RIDERS http://members.aol.com/RWFarnum/Index.html

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A River Rat looks at 50: Now some would find all of this depressing.  But I find it highly motivating. The imperative has become to make conscious choices about how that last 20+ quality years should be lived.  If I average one a year, what twenty adventures should I pursue?

Saskia replies: Since you neglected to mention the Little Missouri River (300 miles of Prarie Badlands paddling) in western most North Dakota (yeah NoDaK), I can only assume you will be forcibly "re-born" until you "get it right" (like Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day)…..this river is a gem in our backyard…get no through tripping use…unchanged in 20 years…spent 21 days on it, in Spring flood in 1995…saw no one for 10 days, and then only 1 group of paddlers within the Theodore Roosevelt National Park. Saw bison,elk,turkeys white tail and mule deer, white pelicans, and my wife discovered an intact buffalo skull there…IT WAS PARADISE. So don’t count on RIP, until you move it onto your list (Grin). (and do it). My wife wrote it up for Canoe& Kayak…Oct 96…probably upped usage by 1 solo paddler every year. On a serious note ( I am 45) know what you mean…but I say "I am getting TOO old not to be doing what I really want to be doing….so next summer we are heading for the headwaters of the Lockhart River in NWT’s BarrenGround….

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A couple of years ago we were waiting to launch on the Yampa. I was watching the group ahead of us put in and noticed an older gent on the oars of a dory. It was Martin Litton 80 + years old and the Yampa was at 19,500 cfs. I believe he set a record for oldest to row the Grand that year also. I like the example that man sets. Good Luck Blakely I hope you reach your goals ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"At your age …" . Blakely LaCroix You are not what it is that you are not doing.

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