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NEBRASKA http://www.unogateway.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/29/4248e409e1ef6 No safe haven for Nebraska children Scott Stewart March 29, 2005 The state of Nebraska is one of four states that have no kind of "Safe Haven" law. Such a law would allow unwilling parents to give away their newborn child without fear of charges for child abandonment or neglect. Safe Haven laws have been passed in forty-six states in response to a growing concern about child abandonment, perhaps prompted by stories about children being left in dumpsters or other locations. For instance, last Thursday, the Omaha World-Herald reported that Maria Vargas, 18, gave birth in her family’s bathtub on Saturday, March 20. Police found the baby under clothes in a laundry basket, hidden in a closet. There was some injury to a child. Cases like these have renewed questions about why Nebraska joins Alaska, Hawaii and Vermont as the only states without some sort of Safe Haven laws. Senator Elaine Stuhr of Bradshaw (district 24) proposed Legislative Bill 307 calling for the state to create a task force on safe havens for abandoned infants, provide duties and declare an emergency. The task force, if approved, would research issues involving child abandonment in Nebraska and make recommendations to the Unicameral by the start of 2006. A proposal made by Stuhr last year, LB 933, would have given Nebraska a Safe Haven law similar to Colorado’s, where unharmed infants younger than 72 hours could be turned over to hospitals, fire stations, substance abuse centers and some churches and licensed child placement agencies. The submission would be made anonymously, with some basic health questions (such as propensity for diabetes) being asked. Stuhr’s 2004 proposal would have also allowed for a one-month waiting period where parents could change their minds before placing the child up for adoption. Residences of Iowa can turn over newborns two weeks old or younger to hospital emergency rooms or other medical facilities. Residences of South Dakota have 60 days, Kansas 45 days and Missouri and Wyoming have 30 days. UNO senior Henry Karpf said, "I think Nebraska should have a Safe Haven law." He also said he didn’t know why Nebraska wouldn’t have one while nearly every other state does.

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In the legislative jungle, there is a cardinal rule, Monkey see, monkey do. Not a word on effectiveness, not a word on adoption, it’s all about, "Hey, every other state has one, why don’t we?" It’s like a hula-hoop, or Nike’s.

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<<<It’s like a hula-hoop, or Nike’s. Let’s talk about the efficacy of Nikes and hula-hoops. Nikes still sell more then almost any athletic shoe in the world, that’s effectiveness. They also continue to improve their model of athletic performance. Hula-hoops are still as much fun as they were over three decades ago, solid efficacy. They still provide that same fun for many generations, and are known as a household name. If either product was a so-called fad they would have disappeared from existence long ago. Of course the effectiveness of Baby Safe Haven laws is now very clear. Just look at the model here in Massachusetts. Prior to our law passing, going back four years, 13 newborns were abandoned, six died, four came within minutes of death, three were safely surrendered under what some parents thought were laws from adjoining states.  Well over half were stripped of their identities in both life and death. That’s the efficacy of the opponents of Baby Safe Haven laws. Since passage one newborn was safely surrendered under the law, a second was three months older then the law allowed, but the Mom was properly counseled, kept in full confidentiality, and both Mom and baby are doing well.   Both Moms have the full immunity from prosecution that allows all medical/familial historical information to go along with the baby. Your prior model of non-passage, you advocated for, was a horrific disaster. Now 99% of the US population knows better Ms

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Let’s talk about the efficacy of Nikes and hula-hoops. Nikes still sell more then almost any athletic shoe in the world, that’s effectiveness. They also continue to improve their model of athletic performance. Hula-hoops are still as much fun as they were over three decades ago, solid efficacy. They still provide that same fun for many generations, and are known as a household name. Thanks for proving my point, that baby dumps are about branding and nmae identification; in the first case the genius of Phil Knight in getting kids to shell out $120 for sneakers he pays 5 bucks for, the second for Whammo for patenting a plastic hoop. Of course the effectiveness of Baby Safe Haven laws is now very clear. Clear as mud. In California, the state has absolutely no mechanism for accounting for lethally abandoned infants, and was embarassed to discover that it had failed the minimum standards of doing so set forth in the 2001 Safe Haven law. As far as can be determined, as many babies have been lethally abandoned after 2001 per annum as before. Some effectiveness. We’ll see how it goes over the years in Mass, but I don’t see any data to indicate that Safe Havens will fare any better in decreasing lethal abandonment there than here. No matter, PT Barnum had it right, a sucker is born every minute. just because you can convince a ghetto kid he "needs" $120 sneakers, or a little girl that she "needs" to buy a $10 plastic hoop, or a legislature that they "need" baby dumps doesn’t make you anything other than a huckster. Ron

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<<<It’s like a hula-hoop, or Nike’s. Let’s talk about the efficacy of Nikes and hula-hoops. Nikes still sell more then almost any athletic shoe in the world, that’s effectiveness. They also continue to improve their model of athletic performance.

That’s effectiveness of the marketing spin, not of the actual product. Big difference. Hula-hoops are still as much fun as they were over three decades ago, solid efficacy. They still provide that same fun for many generations, and are known as a household name. If either product was a so-called fad they would have disappeared from existence long ago.

Hula hoops did dissapear from popularity for decades, only to resurface when the marketing campaign is renewed. Body piercing has been around for generations, but only became popular in the 90’s.  Same with red meat, thanks to Atkins.  Neither is particularly good for you, so what’s your point?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course the effectiveness of Baby Safe Haven laws is now very clear. Just look at the model here in Massachusetts. Prior to our law passing, going back four years, 13 newborns were abandoned, six died, four came within minutes of death, three were safely surrendered under what some parents thought were laws from adjoining states.  Well over half were stripped of their identities in both life and death. That’s the efficacy of the opponents of Baby Safe Haven laws. Since passage one newborn was safely surrendered under the law, a second was three months older then the law allowed, but the Mom was properly counseled, kept in full confidentiality, and both Mom and baby are doing well.   Both Moms have the full immunity from prosecution that allows all medical/familial historical information to go along with the baby. Your prior model of non-passage, you advocated for, was a horrific disaster. Now 99% of the US population knows better Ms

Yeah, sure they do.  Good luck with that newly minted law in MA…here’s what California has experienced: "In California, the number of infants that are illegally abandoned still exceed the number of those safely given up anonymously. Since the Safely Surrendered Baby Law was passed in 2001, 56 babies were legally abandoned, while another 98 have been illegally abandoned, according to the Associated Press." http://66.195.16.55/nat648.html Chickeyd

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Full Charge Bookkeeper, to $40K Small but growing company in Dunwoody needs strong full charge bookkeeper/office manager to be responsible for accounts payable, general ledger, payroll and financial statements as well as general office duties for this small corporate office. Must be hands-on, energetic type individual with multi task capabilities. Stable work history as well as Word/Excel/Access experience also preferred. 404-255-4201 http://employmentatlanta.com

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$40K? in Atlanta GA?!!!  That’s an insult! — This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Full Charge Bookkeeper, to $40K Small but growing company in Dunwoody needs strong full charge bookkeeper/office manager to be responsible for accounts payable, general ledger, payroll and financial statements as well as general office duties for this small corporate office. Must be hands-on, energetic type individual with multi task capabilities. Stable work history as well as Word/Excel/Access experience also preferred. 404-255-4201 http://employmentatlanta.com

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for some reason, a lot of companies pay the people who handle their money a pittance …. for instance, Home Depot pays the 100 or so folks who do payroll for the 300,000+ employees a starting hourly rate of $13 or less … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – $40K? in Atlanta GA?!!!  That’s an insult!

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I agree!! AN INSULT!!

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Not an insult – stupid.  Much more likely to get you someone marginal or dishonest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree!! AN INSULT!!

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$40K? in Atlanta GA?!!!  That’s an insult!

They will find someone at that rate. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net

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Are you kidding?!! I’m a full-charge bookkeeper, to trial balance & reconciliations, audit preprations, post review entries, etc. etc. and I make 43K a year, CANADIAN (read: 32,500 USD). I have 8 years experience in general accounting, including payroll, sales taxes, compensation, and UNION remittances… They want to pay a BA with 5+ years experience, and level 3 CGA/CMA 14 to 17 AN HOUR (read: 10 to 13 USD). — Stephanie Serba, AICIA Partner, Durham Business Outsource Accounting & Technology smserba <at dbo <dot ca www.dbo.ca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – $40K? in Atlanta GA?!!!  That’s an insult! They will find someone at that rate. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net

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$40K? in Atlanta GA?!!!  That’s an insult! They will find someone at that rate.

The $40k sounded a little high for just a FC/Bk in Atlanta, unless its really and Office Manager who also does the bookkeeping.

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Are you kidding?!!

No.  I am not. They will fill that position, with someone, probably by spring. They want to pay a BA with 5+ years experience, and level 3 CGA/CMA 14 to 17 AN HOUR (read: 10 to 13 USD).

That’s what they are ~asking~ for, but not the person they will end up with. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net

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posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare.

If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim

They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. There are few post about this now.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Posted & Emailed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working.

I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Posted & Emailed. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working.

Why did you cut this from my last post:    "There are few post about this now." That is why I said it is working. I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim

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Posted and Emailed. They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. Why did you cut this from my last post:   "There are few post about this now." That is why I said it is working.

Don’t see how this line make "it" working. All that says is one issue has passed. Still not sure what you mean by "it is working – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim         Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540           Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council       Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Don’t see how this line make "it" working. All that says is one issue has passed. Still not sure what you mean by "it is working

It’s the Mike Block defintion of "working".  That is, Intuit’s revenues continue to increase despite applakling customer service, and a license activation and enforcement scheme that causes legitimate customers grief. It means that the amount of protest posts have died down since the Wall Street Journal article.  It doesn’t mean the problems have been solved.  It just means that the optics have improved.

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Your comment is not accurate, Mike. In the "good old days", Intuit fully supported their products online via the CompuServe forums. Users would interact DIRECTLY with support specialists and other power users in the forums. The support people had access to the software engineers and usually came back with both the correct solution to the user’s problem and an AUTHORIZED explanation of how the software operated. Furthermore, bug determinations were made quickly without rancor and put on the to-do list of the engineers. As time went on, Intuit reduced the online staffing levels and the quality of the people assigned to this support. The company pulled the plug after encountering a blizzard of user complaints regarding a particularly inept and bug-ridden upgrade version. "In order to better serve our customers", Intuit ran from public scrutiny and put in place of the public forum a private one-to-one customer dialog where it could easily (and invisibly) turn away customer comments, criticisms, suggestions and questions. The rest is history. Austin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. There are few post about this now.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted." Meanwhile at Intuit headquarters the special "Mike Block Red Phone" rings and the VPs jump to action…. "Yes sir right away sir, public apology will be posted today sir!" What utter BS.  Give it a rest Mike, your a bit too self involved for the rest of reality.  Do you actually think Intuit apologized because YOU and YOU ALONE told them too?

My requests are a small part of the data Tom gets. I am sure he will not do foolish things for me, but am constructive. People here said Intuit should apologize. I was the only one to publicly agree AND specifically say Tom should do it. 30 hours later a man who was not quoted before about TurboTax activation did so in the Cnet story. A while ago someone wanted what I felt was excessive activation (10 years). I asked Tom to promise this anyway. His favorable reply (on my website about 4 hours later) plainly shows this was a case of first impression. When I claimed responsibility for it someone said I was a  megalomaniac, but the emails prove otherwise. I then publicly and privately wrote Tom that it made no economic sense to pay for activation servers for 10 years, as this would not satisfy some users. That made me say Intuit should instead provide a C-Dilla free version of TurboTax after 10/15. It took about 2 days after that for an ExtremeTech article to say this.   I could ask Tom to say that my advise on these points was a key part of his decisions or inspiration for them, but that would ask something for me I do not need. Therefore, you need not say Intuit listens to me. It is OK if you believe I am a terrific psychic in predicting what they do. Saint Mike is sounding even better. Tom and I know what is going on and that is enough for us both.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." No one has a problem — until they have a problem.  Most people are fat-dumb-and-happy, until something unexpected happens and they have to re-activate TT — that is when the nightmare starts.  That is when the "we don’t collect any personal information" sails out the window.  To re-activate they want your name, address, where you purchased TT, and so on.  The only way to remain anonymous is to purchase another TT.

This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -They make people who do have problems feel like an intruder and that they (Intuit) are doing them a big favor to re-activate, rather than understanding that the problem was caused by the product, not the consumer. Good news is not news worthy.  No one really cares when everything goes right.  It is when thing go wrong that people start paying attention.   How a company handles the problems of the few is much more important to the reputation of the company than all of the non-problems put together. To a lot of folks, the reputation of a company’s service department is as important, or more important, than the product itself.  Lots of people buy cars, for example, from dealers with good reputation for their service, and shy away from those who they have reportably poor service. I say all of this because Intuit still seems to be puffing up all those who have _not_ had problems (and not having problems is what most people would expect anyway), rather than smoothing the path for those few who do have problems, and trying to make the problem solving process as easy as possible so the customer leaves with a good feeling about Intuit — a company that cares; rather than a company that made them feel like a criminal. -Ernie-

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Ah thought you were making your own statement, hard to figure out what your referring to sometimes as you mix your own statements with those of others especially since you didn’t  quote that section properly in your reply. "Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. "

I failed to put quotation marks about the section pasted from the article, but it really seems to be an exact copy. You must not have read the article carefully. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call.  Very odd.  Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident;  it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.

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"I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted." Meanwhile at Intuit headquarters the special "Mike Block Red Phone" rings and the VPs jump to action…. "Yes sir right away sir, public apology will be posted today sir!" What utter BS.  Give it a rest Mike, your a bit too self involved for the rest of reality.  Do you actually think Intuit apologized because YOU and YOU ALONE told them too? —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —–

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just be glad Daniel Lavigne doesn’t use turbotax ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At some point in your life, can you begin omitting alt.accounting from your bash Intuit & Mike Block posts? I have an idea, start a new group called "Bash Mike Block and Intuit" group. Then have at it. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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"What do you mean by really bad…?   All of it is true. Tom" Hehe I guess that’s the Intuit definition of "true".  There is now way on earth that writing to the zero sector was meant to save space for the user, that is a misleading statement clear and simple and shows Intuit is still trying to spin this around with more misleading statements wrapped up in supposed apologies. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top Looks like a small step in the right direction. I wrote Tom about the article and he quickly replied: —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:25 AM To: Allanson, Tom I tremendously liked this. The best part was the personal apology from the man who really matters. There was one really bad part: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space,…" —– Original Message —– To: ‘Mike Block – QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.’ Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:46 AM What do you mean by really bad…?   All of it is true. Tom I do not know how much space TT now uses in this hidden area. I doubt it is only the 1m it takes as a resident program. However, to me this fast response shows that Intuit believed what Tom said. That does not mean it was not a bad decision as Tom indicates elsewhere in the article.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted."

No one has a problem — until they have a problem.  Most people are fat-dumb-and-happy, until something unexpected happens and they have to re-activate TT — that is when the nightmare starts.  That is when the "we don’t collect any personal information" sails out the window.  To re-activate they want your name, address, where you purchased TT, and so on.  The only way to remain anonymous is to purchase another TT. They make people who do have problems feel like an intruder and that they (Intuit) are doing them a big favor to re-activate, rather than understanding that the problem was caused by the product, not the consumer. Good news is not news worthy.  No one really cares when everything goes right.  It is when thing go wrong that people start paying attention.   How a company handles the problems of the few is much more important to the reputation of the company than all of the non-problems put together. To a lot of folks, the reputation of a company’s service department is as important, or more important, than the product itself.  Lots of people buy cars, for example, from dealers with good reputation for their service, and shy away from those who they have reportably poor service. I say all of this because Intuit still seems to be puffing up all those who have _not_ had problems (and not having problems is what most people would expect anyway), rather than smoothing the path for those few who do have problems, and trying to make the problem solving process as easy as possible so the customer leaves with a good feeling about Intuit — a company that cares; rather than a company that made them feel like a criminal. -Ernie-

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Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top Looks like a small step in the right direction.

I wrote Tom about the article and he quickly replied: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:25 AM To: Allanson, Tom I tremendously liked this. The best part was the personal apology from the man who really matters. There was one really bad part: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space,…" —– Original Message —– To: ‘Mike Block – QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.’ Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:46 AM What do you mean by really bad…?   All of it is true. Tom I do not know how much space TT now uses in this hidden area. I doubt it is only the 1m it takes as a resident program. However, to me this fast response shows that Intuit believed what Tom said. That does not mean it was not a bad decision as Tom indicates elsewhere in the article.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

The article headline is "Intuit offers TurboTax tests, apologies. It says, "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." What part of this is NOT an apology, must less barely one? This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. Funny that he didn’t mention you.

I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted. Now we need details of what he and his website should confirm as to changes for this year.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Ah thought you were making your own statement, hard to figure out what your referring to sometimes as you mix your own statements with those of others especially since you didn’t  quote that section properly in your reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. " Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call.  Very odd.  Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident;  it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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–Victor,  Mike just likes to play the semantics game.  Since he cannot –directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and –diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good.  It seems –to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, –as to why we can only guess. My guess is he is just to invested in Personal capital

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"Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. " Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call.  Very odd.  Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls?

This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts   of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident;  it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

         Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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At some point in your life, can you begin omitting alt.accounting from your bash Intuit & Mike Block posts? I have an idea, start a new group called "Bash Mike Block and Intuit" group. Then have at it. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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it is funny how mike block  takes credit for everything related to intuit – like they designated him the "go-to" guy for intuit,   a grandiose shill if there was ever one!

comment about him contacting the VP and telling him to make a press – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – release and then 30 hours later is funny though.  Just like the TT boycott Mike likes to jump in and take credit for everything related to Intuit, yet he isn’t an insider and has nothing personal to gain from Intuit  If the VP is taking orders from Mr Block then Intuit is worse off than any of us even imagined. —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —– Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary. It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. Gee. I’m still not impressed. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. Funny that he didn’t mention you. — Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com Victor,  Mike just likes to play the semantics game.  Since he cannot directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good.  It seems to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, as to why we can only guess.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements

Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary. It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax.

Gee. I’m still not impressed. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom.

Funny that he didn’t mention you. — Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com

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Victor,  Mike just likes to play the semantics game.  Since he cannot directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good.  It seems to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, as to why we can only guess. The comment about him contacting the VP and telling him to make a press release and then 30 hours later is funny though.  Just like the TT boycott Mike likes to jump in and take credit for everything related to Intuit, yet he isn’t an insider and has nothing personal to gain from Intuit  If the VP is taking orders from Mr Block then Intuit is worse off than any of us even imagined. —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —–

Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary. It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. Gee. I’m still not impressed. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. Funny that he didn’t mention you. — Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com

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Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology.

"But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident;  it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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"Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. " Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call.  Very odd.  Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —– Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident;  it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.          Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540            Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council        Error Codes/Fixes  http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Eliza:  Don’t reply to my message.  Start your own thread and you’ll get much better responses.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear all, My friend had done the operation to remove part of his colon as the doctor found a tumor inside (T3N0). Pet scan show no cancerous, but his Oncologist suggested him to do the chemo by 5FU for 1 year in order to prevent for recurrence as he’s still young (50). Does Xeloda can use as the preventive method for his situation?  Because my friend does not want to do the IV injection. Thank you. Eliza

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear all, My friend had done the operation to remove part of his colon as the doctor found a tumor inside (T3N0). Pet scan show no cancerous, but his Oncologist suggested him to do the chemo by 5FU for 1 year in order to prevent for recurrence as he’s still young (50). Does Xeloda can use as the preventive method for his situation?  Because my friend does not want to do the IV injection.

I’m not a doctor, but I have rectal cancer. Although I can’t say for sure, I think that 5FU is more effective than Xeloda, otherwise Xeloda would be first line treatment for colorectal cancer. If your friend has anxiety about IV’s, there’s lots of things that can be done to deal with it- I’d suggest getting a porta-cath. It’s easier both psychologically and physically than getting frequent needle sticks for IV’s. your friend might also ask his doctor about having either Oxaliplatin or Camptosar along with the 5FU. and he should also talk to his doctor about Xeloda as an option. Michele

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear all, My friend had done the operation to remove part of his colon as the doctor found a tumor inside (T3N0). Pet scan show no cancerous, but his Oncologist suggested him to do the chemo by 5FU for 1 year in order to prevent for recurrence as he’s still young (50). Does Xeloda can use as the preventive method for his situation?  Because my friend does not want to do the IV injection.

I found this on another NG. It may help your friend: Trial Shows Pill is as Effective as Standard Chemotherapy for Advanced Colorectal Cancer M. D. Anderson News Release 04/12/01 A study led by The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center shows that a small pink tablet may offer a less toxic, more convenient option in the treatment of advanced colorectal cancer. In the study, researchers found that oral capecitabine, also known by its trade name of Xeloda, is an acceptable option to the intravenous chemotherapy regimen of fluorouracil plus leucovorin (5FU/LV), a standard treatment for metastatic colon cancer. Investigators suggest that while it has been proven effective, the oral drug is most appropriate for patients who are highly motivated and able to take the pill twice a day as directed. Results of the Phase III trial, conducted at M. D. Anderson and sites throughout Canada and the United States, are published in the April 15 issue of the Journal of Clinical Oncology. More than 600 patients were enrolled on the trial, all with colon cancer that had spread to other organs. The oral drug, which produced a significantly higher tumor response than the intravenous chemotherapy, offers patients a much less toxic, convenient and home-based therapy. According to the study, patients experienced a significantly lower incidence of nausea, hair loss and fever, symptoms commonly associated with intravenous chemotherapy.  Fewer patients taking the capecitabine required hospitalization for adverse reactions than those patients taking the 5FU plus leucovorin. But researchers say the trade-off for convenience is that patients must take responsibility for taking the pills as directed and communicating regularly with their health care team. For that reason, the pill remains an option, rather than a new standard treatment, for patients with metastatic colorectal cancer. "The encouraging results of this trial give physicians additional latitude in recommending to each patient the optimal course of treatment.  It is especially important to remember that this oral drug was found to be equal to, not superior to, the intravenous chemotherapy regimen of F-5U plus leucovorin, " said Dr. Robert Wolff, assistant professor of gastrointestinal oncology at M. D. Anderson and a colon cancer specialist who enrolled many patients on the trial. "While the oral drug is much more convenient for patients and produces fewer side effects, this treatment depends on the patient’s willingness and ability to take the pills as prescribed." In the study, patients took oral capecitabine twice daily for two weeks.  The patients then took one week off from treatment.  The pills were taken approximately 12 hours apart, with water, within 30 minutes of breakfast and dinner. "This treatment is definitely more convenient and less toxic than the intravenous chemotherapy," said Dr. Wolff.  "But it literally puts the treatment in the hands of the patient.  It is a consideration that physicians must acknowledge when devising a treatment plan." According to the comparative study, tumors in approximately 25 percent of patients who took the oral capecitabine responded, compared to 15.5 percent of patients receiving intravenous chemotherapy.  Median survival was 12.5 months for the oral drug and 13.3 months for the intravenous therapy, and median times to disease progression were 4.3 months for the pill and 4.7 months for intravenous chemotherapy. According to the National Cancer Institute, colorectal cancer is the third most commonly diagnosed malignancy, accounting for 10 to 15 percent of newly diagnosed cancer cases in the United States and Europe. An estimated 783,000 new cases are diagnosed annually worldwide. Up to 30 percent of patients are diagnosed with metastatic disease while 50 to 60 percent eventually develop metastatic or advanced disease.  The five-year survival rate for advanced colon cancer is five percent or less.  Xeloda is manufactured by Hoffmann-La Roche. 4/12/01

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Thanks Steph.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. 1) How far from the anus is it? If it’s mor ethan 8cm, you probably will get away with an anterior resection. Lower than that may need a permenant colostomy 2) A CT scan will likely be done. It can’t accurately stage the priimary, but would probably show liver metastases if they are present. 3) The mainstay of treatment for trectosigmoid cancer is surgery, but a short course of reoperative radiotherapy certainly reduces the risks of recurrence, and probably eliminates the need for post-op adjuvant chemo.

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Dear all, My friend had done the operation to remove part of his colon as the doctor found a tumor inside (T3N0). Pet scan show no cancerous, but his Oncologist suggested him to do the chemo by 5FU for 1 year in order to prevent for recurrence as he’s still young (50). Does Xeloda can use as the preventive method for his situation?  Because my friend does not want to do the IV injection. Thank you. Eliza

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Print out the question to ask your doctor at http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/faq.htm — Steve Gossman Survivor webmaster Colorectal Cancer Network http://www.colorectal-cancer.net http://www.colon-cancer.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. — (I delete every e-mail sent to my address, without reading.)

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Thanks.  Great resources.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Print out the question to ask your doctor at http://www.colorectal-cancer.net/faq.htm — Steve Gossman Survivor webmaster Colorectal Cancer Network http://www.colorectal-cancer.net http://www.colon-cancer.net I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. — (I delete every e-mail sent to my address, without reading.)

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I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. — (I delete every e-mail sent to my address, without reading.)

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Hi Peter, Some of the questions you could ask may not be as appropriate for the surgeon as they are for your oncologist. What type of cancer is it? Are they anticipating doing chemo and radiation before or after surgery or both?  What will the surgery entail? Are they thinking any type of ostomy? There are several types of chemo administration regimen (e.g., some days on, some days off, continuous infusion through a pump, etc)…what type are they considering? And prognosis if cancer has not spread to the lymph nodes is pretty good! Another test that is sometimes used is the PET scan. It’s expensive and sometimes, however, the insurance companies don’t want to pay for it. These are just laymen questions. Any doctors on board could offer more professional information. Hang in there, Peter. Gather as much information as you can from reputable sites and sources. Write down any questions you think of for your doctor (we often forget the question we want to ask the doctor if we don’t write them down). Stay positive. Bye for now, Deborah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. — (I delete every e-mail sent to my address, without reading.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Peter, Some of the questions you could ask may not be as appropriate for the surgeon as they are for your oncologist. What type of cancer is it? Are they anticipating doing chemo and radiation before or after surgery or both? What will the surgery entail? Are they thinking any type of ostomy? There are several types of chemo administration regimen (e.g., some days on, some days off, continuous infusion through a pump, etc)…what type are they considering? And prognosis if cancer has not spread to the lymph nodes is pretty good! Another test that is sometimes used is the PET scan. It’s expensive and sometimes, however, the insurance companies don’t want to pay for it. These are just laymen questions. Any doctors on board could offer more professional information. Hang in there, Peter. Gather as much information as you can from reputable sites and sources. Write down any questions you think of for your doctor (we often forget the question we want to ask the doctor if we don’t write them down). Stay positive. Bye for now, Deborah

Thanks for the quick reply.  I don’t have an appointment with an oncologist. I think surgery is the option they are using.  I am checking WebMD.  Good information there. Problem is not knowing.  I want to know everything now, not next week.  I wish I could be in surgery this afternoon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA. — (I delete every e-mail sent to my address, without reading.)

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Something else I’d ask is what type of pain control will they do for you, post surgery? For example, will you be on a PCA (patient controlled analgesia) or will they give you an epidural? Do you have a choice? How long will you be in the hospital? What’s the expected recovery time? I’d also make sure someone talks to you about breathing exercises and how to move in the first days following surgery. This will probably be covered in a pre-surgical visit to the hospital (rather than by the surgeon himself), and it’s good to know about it before the surgery, so you can be prepared. (bring a nice, hard pillow to hold against your belly for when you have to cough- the hospital pillows are too flimsy, imo <g). Michele, after two abdominal surgeries

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Ok thanks again.  More questions after I meet with the surgeon next tuesday.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? Any other questions I should be asking? TIA.

1) How far from the anus is it? If it’s mor ethan 8cm, you probably will get away with an anterior resection. Lower than that may need a permenant colostomy 2) A CT scan will likely be done. It can’t accurately stage the priimary, but would probably show liver metastases if they are present. 3) The mainstay of treatment for trectosigmoid cancer is surgery, but a short course of reoperative radiotherapy certainly reduces the risks of recurrence, and probably eliminates the need for post-op adjuvant chemo.

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I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:))

I’d ask him if he’s done a lot of these surgeries in the past. How much of your colon and/or rectum will he be removing? Will you need a colostomy? Often bowel surgery causes changes in bowel function. I would ask him if he anticipates you experiencing those changes. Once surgery and possible adjunct treatment are finished, what type of follow up does your surgeon plan? (ie, frequency of colonoscopies) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy?

I don’t think so. However, a CT scan of the abdomen is pretty common for folks who have colorectal cancer. I would ask your surgeon for one. He will also examine your liver and other organs during the surgery, looking for metastasis. At some point they’ll probably do a CEA test on your blood- CEA can =sometimes= be an effective tumour marker for CR cancer. Probably they will compare your CEA level before and after surgery, and then periodically check it afterwards. Sometimes a rising CEA is a sign that the cancer has returned (though sometimes cancer returns and CEA remains low). What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis?

IIRC, if the cancer has not spread to other organs or lymph nodes, cure rate is something like 80%. Any other questions I should be asking?

When will you be seeing an oncologist? A good place for information is the colorectal mailing list at: http://www.acor.org Michele, diagnosed two years ago today with rectal cancer

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Thanks Michele.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a colonoscopy this week and the polyp they removed turns out to be cancerous.  This polyp was first detected via a sigmoidoscopy, so I am assuming it is not too far up the colon.  I’ll have a consultation with the surgeon next week.  I am looking for some intelligent questions to ask him (aside from, "can I see your medical license?)  -:)) I’d ask him if he’s done a lot of these surgeries in the past. How much of your colon and/or rectum will he be removing? Will you need a colostomy? Often bowel surgery causes changes in bowel function. I would ask him if he anticipates you experiencing those changes. Once surgery and possible adjunct treatment are finished, what type of follow up does your surgeon plan? (ie, frequency of colonoscopies) I suppose he wouldn’t know how far, or if the cancer has spread, until he has a look at the colon and biopsy of the lymph nodes.  Can he tell just from the biopsy of the polyp or from the pictures they took during the colonoscopy? I don’t think so. However, a CT scan of the abdomen is pretty common for folks who have colorectal cancer. I would ask your surgeon for one. He will also examine your liver and other organs during the surgery, looking for metastasis. At some point they’ll probably do a CEA test on your blood- CEA can =sometimes= be an effective tumour marker for CR cancer. Probably they will compare your CEA level before and after surgery, and then periodically check it afterwards. Sometimes a rising CEA is a sign that the cancer has returned (though sometimes cancer returns and CEA remains low). What other tests or procedures can he use to detect how advance the cancer is?  If the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes, what’s the prognosis? IIRC, if the cancer has not spread to other organs or lymph nodes, cure rate is something like 80%. Any other questions I should be asking? When will you be seeing an oncologist? A good place for information is the colorectal mailing list at: http://www.acor.org Michele, diagnosed two years ago today with rectal cancer

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You might also ask for a chest x-ray. CR cancer sometimes spreads to the lungs. (I had both the chest x-ray, and a CT scan before surgery) Michele

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I’m off to Sydney in June with a 12-month working holiday visa.  I’ve heard that it’s not easy to get work there at the moment.  Can anyone give any tips on good ways to find work?  Don’t mind what I do – office/bar/labouring etc, whatever. Cheers! Matt (I have 5 years accountancy experience (cima), is it easy to get that kind of work? – I’d rather steer clear if possible, but would do it if that’s all I could get!!)

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I’m off to Sydney in June with a 12-month working holiday visa.  I’ve heard that it’s not easy to get work there at the moment.  Can anyone give any tips on good ways to find work?  Don’t mind what I do – office/bar/labouring etc, whatever. Cheers! Matt (I have 5 years accountancy experience (cima), is it easy to get that kind of work? – I’d rather steer clear if possible, but would do it if that’s all I could get!!)

In order to practice accountancy, you would have to be recognized and insured by the relevant regulator, I suspect.  That said, I hear Andersen’s might be a good prospect since they might not be quite as strict <VBG.  You might also get "informal" work that doesn’t require licensing, only your expertise (e.g. number crunching for a C.A.) The big cities are always going to have the most competition.  Sunraysia is always a good bet for fruit picking/farm work but it’s backbreaking.

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I’m off to Sydney in June with a 12-month working holiday visa.  I’ve heard that it’s not easy to get work there at the moment.  Can anyone give any tips on good ways to find work?  Don’t mind what I do – office/bar/labouring etc, whatever. Cheers! Matt (I have 5 years accountancy experience (cima), is it easy to get that kind of work? – I’d rather steer clear if possible, but would do it if that’s all I could get!!)

Try http://www.tntmagazine.com/au/working/displayContent.asp?id=760726&in… yID=4&intContinentID=9 You shouldn’t have much problem in getting a job, especially with your accounting experience. There are generally plenty of back breaking farm jobs. Farmers quite often head down to the local backpacker palace when they’re in need of a team of labourers. It’s hard work but you’ll get a great sun tan, fresh air and meet some real characters on the job and have a lot of fun. Ashame the pay will be lousy. In most backers you’ll find signs on the notice boards about where you can get a job. Plus lots of word of mouth when you get here. Don’t worry, be happy, there’ll be a job for you when you get here. Kerry http://www.byrononline.com

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Hello, Pacioli 2000 for windows version 4.51 is an accounting system that I would like to try out even though M-USA is out of business or in reorganization(I don’t know which) and I know that I may be flogging a dead horse but I have version 1.4, 1.6, 2.0 for DOS and 4.0 for windows(all of which are not Y2K compliant). Version 4.51 is Y2K compliant. Pacioli 2000 for windows seems to me to be a brilliant piece of software and ideal for the  "do it yourself" small business. It is unique in the way the Chart of Accounts is organized(which I like) that may allow it to be used as General Ledger only or as a complete system. I havent used it enough to realize  the limitations. I was thinking that some of you may have a copy that you are willing to share. Meybe someone who has replaced it with another system such as Peachtree, Quicken, Quickbooks, NYOB, Great Plains, Harper Shuman, Business Works, Red Wing, Traverse 97, Simply Accounting, Daceasy or some other system. Thanks Charles

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Hello, Pacioli 2000 for windows version 4.51 is an accounting system that I would like to try out even though M-USA is out of business or in reorganization(I don’t know which) and I know that I may be flogging a dead horse but I have version 1.4, 1.6, 2.0 for DOS and 4.0 for windows(all of which are not Y2K compliant). Version 4.51 is Y2K compliant. Pacioli 2000 for windows seems to me to be a brilliant piece of software and ideal for the  "do it yourself" small business. It is unique in the way the Chart of Accounts is organized(which I like) that may allow it to be used as General Ledger only or as a complete system. I havent used it enough to realize  the limitations.

Come on now!  Surely some of you have a copy of Pacioli 2000 for windows version 4.51 lying around someplace.  After all the User Manuals say that it is the worlds best selling accounting software. Thanks Charles

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Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

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John – I, as a reseller for several other products, was recruited to resell Great Plains as well.  I decided not to include the product in my list of available products for several reasons (note this was 2 years ago).  I list the following:     1)    Tech Support – try calling them and getting an answer that actually answers your question.     2)    If your company purchases the product as a single user system and then in the future requires a multi-user, you are assessed the original purchase price and more for this option.  There are many products available that allow the client to add "user licenses" at a minimal fee for this future need.     3)    Finally, I found the product cumbersome to setup and new users for my clients would require a great amount of training to learn it. You might also inquire as the yearly maintenance costs for technical support, PR Tax Table updates, etc. before you make your final decision. DeeDee Heyne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

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I would like to comment on a couple of the following: 1) Great Plains is constantly rated one of the best companies for providing support both to end users and to resellers. 2) Not true.  If you buy a single user system and wish to move to multi-user your original investment is applied to the new purchase. 3)  It does require a great deal of setup and training and that is because Great Plains’ products are very feature rich and powerful.  Flexibility like that comes with a price and that price is in increased implementation fees. Alan — Alan C. Whitehouse The Resource Group Great Plains Reseller 1400 Talbot Rd. S., Suite 301 Renton, WA 98055 (425) 277-4760 http://www.resgroup.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John – I, as a reseller for several other products, was recruited to resell Great Plains as well.  I decided not to include the product in my list of available products for several reasons (note this was 2 years ago).  I list the following:     1)    Tech Support – try calling them and getting an answer that actually answers your question.     2)    If your company purchases the product as a single user system and then in the future requires a multi-user, you are assessed the original purchase price and more for this option.  There are many products available that allow the client to add "user licenses" at a minimal fee for this future need.     3)    Finally, I found the product cumbersome to setup and new users for my clients would require a great amount of training to learn it. You might also inquire as the yearly maintenance costs for technical support, PR Tax Table updates, etc. before you make your final decision. DeeDee Heyne Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

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Great Plains makes some great software but without knowing more about your organization there is no way of knowing if it might be good (or bad) for you. Alan — Alan C. Whitehouse The Resource Group Great Plains Reseller 1400 Talbot Rd. S., Suite 301 Renton, WA 98055 (425) 277-4760 http://www.resgroup.com

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Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

Great Plains software is perfectly irrelevant to 99.9% of small and midrange businesses because it is waay up in the high end on pricing, and maintenance.  You could buy a house for $50,000 and five figures per year in maintenance… Great Plains software is for the fortune 1000.  Companies who need the functionality of GPS:  you know who you are:  There is a great website for you at http://www.erpfans.com for ERP software; no aspersions intended, on GPS itself. * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * XML accounting, WebLedgers, ASPs, GL dialtone, whatever it takes

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Great Plains has a very good reputation. We regularly compete against them (I’m a MAS90 reseller). We do not run into many companies switching from Great Plains. We run into many more switching from lower tier products like RealWorld or Accpac…..the systems that haven’t done as well or been upgraded as much in recent years. You can get some independent feedback at http://www.ctsguides.com — they produce and Expertalk survey annually that queries resellers of various products and publishes the results (things like satisfaction and other juicy comments). If I were looking for software in today’s market, I’d be focussing on: Great Plains Solomon MAS90 (biased) Navision I find that they all have a typical price of around $1,500 per module and an equal amount in consulting/setup time. Typical client for me is in the $1 million to $ 50 million range. Regards, Wayne http://www.s-consult.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks Great Plains software is perfectly irrelevant to 99.9% of small and midrange businesses because it is waay up in the high end on pricing, and maintenance.  You could buy a house for $50,000 and five figures per year in maintenance… Great Plains software is for the fortune 1000.  Companies who need the functionality of GPS:  you know who you are:  There is a great website for you at http://www.erpfans.com for ERP software; no aspersions intended, on GPS itself. * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * XML accounting, WebLedgers, ASPs, GL dialtone, whatever it takes

– Schulz Consulting is an authorized consultant/reseller for the popular MAS90 accounting software. Visit us online at http://www.s-consult.com Before you buy.

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Irrelevant?  Hardly. Perhaps there is some need of an explanation of ‘Great Plains’, which is a company, not a product.  Generally, when folks are talking about ‘Great Plains’, they are talking about the product called Dynamics – their foundation product.  They also support a lower end product called Great Plains Accounting, which I think is on the way out. Dynamics also has a higher end brother called Dynamics C/S+.  Dynamics runs on C-Tree, which is a low end (1-5 users) that can support both MAC and PC clients, or BTrieve (now called Pervasive SQL).  Pervasive SQL can support up to 12-14 users.  C/S+ runs on Microsoft SQL for high end processing but low numbers of users (limited to 10).  This product doesn’t really seem to have a place and I doubt it will live many more years.  GP’s ERP product is called eEnterprise and runs on SQL as well.  It is extremely expensive but can scale up to run extremely large companies. In summary, GP has several different products to suit the size of different businesses. I am a GP reseller and would be happy to answer any questions you may specific to your industry.  Unless you’re close geographically, I would suggest another reseller that could be more hands-on.  However, don’t take my word for it.  Check out independant evaluations from people who actually know something about the product, you can start at: http://www.accountingsoftwarenews.com Mike. Michael Cooper Director of Information Systems Hisle and Company Lexington, Kentucky

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Software: good. Price: a little steep. Flexibility: adequate but not comparable to UA Corporate Accounting.  - Carl Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

Respectfully,   – Carl Dick www.cpaccess.com 800-997-7944 949-261-2694  California, USA

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Does anybody have any good or bad experience with Great Plains software? Thanks

John: Our company has been using Dynamics for 2 years and have had a very positive experience.  We moved off of a mini-computer based system.  We are a relatively small company (under $25 million in revenues) and only use Dynamics for General Ledger, Accounts Payable and Bank Rec.  Our Vertical Market Software Vendor supplies software strictly for our industry, and thus it handles all other funcitons and needs.  Our experiences with Great Plains Dynamics include: – Participating in Great Plains Training Class prior to implementation where we were not only trained on using the software, but also setting up the system. – Performing all set-ups in-house.  (Our total training class bill paid to Great Plains plus the consulting bill paid to our VAR was less than 40% of the purchase price of the software. – As yet, having not utilized the first one of the 5-pack of Support Calls that we purchased with the software.  I know this sounds unbelievable, however our company’s experience with software systems is such that we are capable, ‘low-maintenance’ users. – A good working relationship with our VAR, who was supportive of our desire to perform set-ups in-house.  Our company’s philosophy is to try to be as self-supportive as possible, and therefore, we felt if we did not perform the set-ups ourselves, we wouldn’t be as successful making changes later. While we appreciate the value of the VAR, the success of our experience with the product (and its ability to meet and continue to support our needs) was more important to them than selling us alot of consulting time. – We designed and utilize a combination of Unit and Variable Allocation accounts combined with a unique Account Segment design to enable Automated Allocations of Costs using Activity based costing models built in to Dynamics.  The software, and its FRx reporting utilities are certainly feature rich enough for our needs. In sum, having spent around $9k for the software (4-user license), and around $5k in total implementation/support/upgrade costs for the first 2 years of utilization, it has been an excellent solution for our company. You may want to look at www.ctsguides.com They publish a helpful tool for Accounting Software selection. Good luck with your selection. Kevin Nelson <Remove the dontspamme for e-mail

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thanks for the info!  i have seen this of course happen on many other newsgroups.  at first i thought our cj was ray gordon who habits the gymnastics newsgroup.  the title and writing style are almost identical.  i think maybe we ought to iinclude this article in the faq.  most newsgroups who have a troll like this have an article in their faq explaining the situation just like the one you posted. thank you

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Seems from some common crossposts, it looks like the infamous Colin James III, aka CJ3, has pretty well torn this newsgroup up.  I’ve seen it before, the carnage he can create here like he did in alt.recovery.na where I read.  Maybe this article might be a start on knowing who your dealing with, the lowest of the low.  Read this net article completely and see if it doesn’t strike similarities to what is happening here. CJ3 is very accomplished at confusing the net-unsavy by forging posts.  He’ll have a great deal of difficulty forging an anon.twwells.com message as everyone is identical and different in the header.  Your going to have to learn to "spot" these forgeries as the only way to get rid of him is too not give him a reply to feed off of, I mean that most sincerely, as CJ3 is bottom feeding scum who has no morals for God, country or authority.  You will find him to be a habitual liar.  We’ll talk more after you see how what is happening here has happened in many other newsgroups, yet this newsgroup seems more vulnerable than others, perhaps due to the topics discussed here?  CJ3 is a cyber-stalker and won’t hesitate to use sexual intimidation, as I have seen in reading some of his posts here.   I will try to help you along by identifying "forgered" posts so you can get a "feel" for this slippery netscum. 2/15/1998                      Fouling the Net                            Kooks and Kops clash on-line                                        by Nick Rosen The Right Reverend Colin James III is not very popular on the Internet. He has been called "scum," a "jerk," a "pain in the ass," and an "asshole." His name has been transformed by others into "The Right Retarded Colin James," "Colic James III" or simply "Colon." He has been accused of "not firing on all cylinders" and inhabiting the "algae-ridden shallow end of the gene  pool." And now, the much-maligned Bishop of the Continuing  Episcopal Church is being accused of  defamation in a Colorado district court.  For years, the Reverend, or CJIII, as he’s known on-line, has been a notorious Internet rebel, bombarding Usenet participants with newsgroup postings and e-mail filled with varied and vitriolic rhetoric. "Fuck you and your family, and go to hell," the Reverend commands one Usenet writer, who posted an article referring to him as "our favorite loon." While the Reverend’s on-line postings are not all fueled by expletive, they are commonly venomous. His  derisive crusades range from the invasion of ‘net pornography to the Darwinian doom of "Mom ‘n Pop" Internet Service Providers (ISP’s) to "lazy" government workers who are wasting our tax dollars cavorting on the Internet while on the job. The Reverend pulls no punches, and names names.  But he may have named one too many: His former ISP, Fort Collins-based JYM Information Systems, claims that James made a number of false, defamatory remarks about the company over the Internet, not the least-creative being that JYM is headquartered inside a Budweiser brewery. According to the lawsuit, JYM alleges that the Reverend made "claims of incompetence on the part of plaintiffs … derogatory references to plaintiff(’s) family name and ancestry; and false and derogatory references to plaintiff(’s) wife."  Seeking relief for the damage done to its character, the company is suing James for more than $10,000.  The trouble between the Reverend and JYM began when the provider dumped his account after receiving complaints about the acrimonious and harassing content of his e-mail and Usenet postings. The ISP alleges that "James misused said system thereby causing a third party to consider rejecting all further traffic from JYM clients and subscribers." While the company’s lawyer Joseph Fanfara would not go into details, this "third party" was probably another one or more providers, who threatened to blacklist the ISP if they didn’t drop James as a customer.  JYM is not the first Internet provider to clash with James – he’s Denver-based Dimensional Communications, owner Dave Denny a thick file about James’ behavior from his previous. Not one to prejudge his clients, Denny ignored it, but soon nature of his e-mails and Usenet postings. He then found himself in court with the Reverend, who sued him for a refund plus court fees.  Denny subsequently considered countersuing for libel after the Reverend allegedly orchestrated an on-line smear campaign against Dimensional, but decided against it because the publicity "was actually helping business." The Reverend went to another Denver provider, and eventually sued them for similar reasons.  The Reverend denies almost everything in the JYM lawsuit, item by item, including a statement that the Internet is a valuable and important forum. Despite his frequent use of the Internet, the Reverend attacks the medium and all who invest their intellectual stock in it. "I believe the Internet is a vast wasteland," says James, "I look at it as basically trivial." He claims that systems like Usenet, which pioneered the Internet with topic-based "newsgroups," have degenerated into useless forums and nests of pornography.  But whether or not the Internet is slouching toward Bethlehem, the Reverend seems eager to help it along the way. He has been accused of numerous violations of "Netiquette," such as excessive cross-posting (posting articles to more than five newsgroups at a time, which the Reverend denies, except by accident) and posting "off-topic" articles in specified newsgroups – usually to attack the technological expertise, or, at times, the mental stability of a particular Usenet participant. When one man argues a particular legal point, James answers the posting with the opinion that the fellow "needs competent legal counsel, and psychiatric assistance." When a recent article on the co.fort-collins.general newsgroup criticized James for posting an off-topic, "excessively long" article four consecutive times (there were "slight variations in each one," James defends), he sarcastically asks the complainant if he’s an "Internet mommy."  Many people complain that, while newsgroups can be very useful as a forum to exchange scientific articles and advice (after all, this was the founding promise of the Internet: increased communication will revolutionize the progress of mankind), they’re crippled by all the off-topic "noise." The caustic clutter from users like James have led to the topical regulation of many specialized newsgroups, in off-topic postings are culled and removed. When Chris Gunn, the coordinator of an accounting newsgroup (part of BIZynet) politely informs users that its newsgroup will be moderated to focus on the main topic, James answered "BIZynet sucks. Chris Gunn is a censor. Fuck you BIZynet."  The Reverend has been accused of more than just "virtual" malfeasance. Many claim that James has gone as far as to call his enemies’ employers (when those enemies post articles from a company computer) and demands that if they don’t fire the employee he’ll sue for libel. Though the Reverend denies these accusations, a page on the World Wide Web has sprung up to assist his alleged victims. Titled the "Colin James III Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)," the document hypothesizes: "Help! Colin James sent 150 nasty faxes to my boss and human resources department because of my Usenet posts! He demands that I be fired. Will I be fired?" The FAQ calmly reassures the imaginary victim: "Most probably no. He has complained to employers of at least 90 people in the last six or seven months and no one (to our best knowledge) has been fired." The FAQ claims that when federal employees run up against CJIII, he calls upon the U.S. Inspector General. The Reverend denies this as well.  The Reverend’s on-line reputation earned him the notorious "Kook of the Month" award for January, 1996. This honor is intended to recognize "great achievements in the field of kookery" among Netizens. James received a record number of votes – 182 – more than was received by such Kook of the Month memorables as Joan Brewer, the user who inundates the "Bill Gates fan club" newsgroup with her theory that homosexual rape is a standard initiation rite at Microsoft. (Of course, Kook of the Month is run by the same net-head who created the Colin James FAQ, demonstrating that the Reverend is not the only one with itchy fingers and an ax to grind.) [snip]  As to the alleged connection between him and Net.Scum, the Reverend denies it. Then he modifies this denial, going on to explain that he "contributed" his own list of enemies to the Net.Scum page. Certainly he has common cause with Net.Scum – the bitter hatred of all who would attempt to regulate newsgroups by canceling off-topic posts. And now that he’s been kicked off ISP’s from Denver to Fort Collins, he has come home to roost: His new provider is (or will be, once it claws its way back on-line) GMTI, formerly known as – you guessed it -Cyber Promotions. With "Spamford" Wallace on his side, there may be no stopping the Reverend.  Except, perhaps, a lawsuit. A legal success for JYM Communications could chill the derogatory atmosphere on Usenet, if users had solid legal recourse to defend themselves against the profligate remarks of their on-line adversaries. There is little to no legal precedent for defamation on the Internet, and Fanfara believes that JYM vs. James is a case of "first impression" and thus would be a landmark decision for the state of Colorado. The plaintiffs hope to hang the Reverend up as an example to other on-line insurrectionists and thus protect the Internet from further defilement. [snip]  Meanwhile, Reverend James continues to make enemies. Even Scott Weiser, the notorious front-range newsgroup pundit and self-proclaimed champion of free expression ( his articles are punctuated by "I love the Internet … I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!") has turned against James. In a recent posting, Weiser makes an ironic challenge: "If (CJIII) … read more »

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Dang, four accounting books and not one of them ever mentioned how much was "material" to a business. Chuckling and running for cover – Gail — The fault finder will find faults even in paradise.  Thoreau

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It has been held that materiality is an amount greater than 10% of the gross profit of the corporation.

Actually, that’s not the definition of materiality. Materiality is defined as any item that would affect the decisions of an outside user reading the financial statements.  While it tends to vary based upon the size of the entity, I don’t think you can clearly say 10% of the gross profit always is the break point.  In fact, depending on the amount of other expenses the entities incurs, a difference of 10% of gross profit could spell the difference between a profitable enterprise or filing for chapter 7 <grin. Some items (like disclosures on related party transactions) don’t depend on quantitative materiality, but rather on qualitative materiality. Ed Zollars, CPA (AZ) http://www.getnet.com/~hmtzcpas

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  Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses?

Not so!  The job of the outside auditor is to express an opinion as to whether the statements present fairly the financial position of the corporation.  In forming his/her opinion, materiality becomes important. It has been held that materiality is an amount greater than 10% of the gross profit of the corporation. Do not reply to the above address.  Reply to harold(at)isracom(dot)net(dot)il

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Arnold, I think you jumped the gun a little bit.  The previous author said "accountant", you said "auditor."  Entirely different rolls to play.  I agree with the original author and You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses? Not so!  The job of the outside auditor is to express an opinion as to whether the statements present fairly the financial position of the corporation.  In forming his/her opinion, materiality becomes important. It has been held that materiality is an amount greater than 10% of the gross profit of the corporation. Do not reply to the above address.  Reply to harold(at)isracom(dot)net(dot)il

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There is no such thing as a free ride.  Everthing in life has a price.  Even OJ is paying in his mind – if he is guilty.

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My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work. Apparently this happened several months ago and she says has also happened before and the bank never discovered the mistake.  This is a relatively small figure in the scope of her business dealings. She says that there is no "cannon of ethics" she knows of that says that ethically she must notify the bank.  …."Besides if she screwed up the bank wouldn’t tell her….they just write it off…..its a large company so it doesn’t matter….they already pay the bank enough…"

        It is clearly unethical to keep the money. Just because others might not return the money in the same situation doesn’t make it right. "What you do speaks so loud that I  cannot hear what you say."                     Ralph Waldo Emerson      

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My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work. Apparently this happened several months ago and she says has also happened before and the bank never discovered the mistake.  

I was appalled to read, several years ago, that a national accounting organization had surveyed practices in Accounts Receivable in major corporations and found that a large percentage, I seem to recall more than 50% of the companies surveyed, keep overpayments made by customers without notification. I’m not sure exactly what the report meant; perhaps they meant the excess or credit balances are maintained as prepayments towards recurring charges, or something.    But I would not be surprised to see companies print and mail monthly statements only to customers with outstanding positive receivable amounts, and end up one or more years in the future, quitely raking the credit balances into income. In the past, most of the time when I asked a client to contact the owner of credit balances, the facts emerged that my client was actually entitled to the money and had lost track of their sales invoice, etc.   If the customer had been dishonest my client could have been tricked into sending a free refund. ======= In Washington State the law requires remitting most types of found money to the state.  There is a web site with many thousands of people’s money held in perpetual trust, awaiting their claims.

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From the AICPA course on Professional Ethics, is the following quote: A man should *be* upright; not be *kept* upright.         -Marcus Aurelius – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work. Apparently this happened several months ago and she says has also happened before and the bank never discovered the mistake.  This is a relatively small figure in the scope of her business dealings. She says that there is no "cannon of ethics" she knows of that says that ethically she must notify the bank.  …."Besides if she screwed up the bank wouldn’t tell her….they just write it off…..its a large company so it doesn’t matter….they already pay the bank enough…" She says if the bank calls her and asks for the money she will have no problem in giving it back (DUH!) but as long as they dont she is going to keep her mouth shut. She also says that at work they are doing things right and not making such mistakes and the bank should do the same.  Its not their responsibility to make sure the bank does its job right. Somehow she distinguishes a difference between business and personal dealings.  I asked her if she was following someone who dropped a $100 bill whether she would keep it or give it back.  She said she would give it back, but that was a "totally different" case.  Also many other analogies,… getting too much change, etc. She says everyone she works with agrees with her.  Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses?  Is an accountant like a lawyer where the client is jealously defended first and the truth may be hidden if no one else knows about it?  Although I dont agree with that either. Its my opinion that if she knowingly takes the money it may be illegal.   At the very least it is unethical.  Isnt there a published code of ethics for CPA’s? Wouldnt a board of accountancy be able to enforce such guidelines and have the authority to revoke licenses? If they were audited what would the IRS say? I cant believe that she can believe this.  Does anyone else agree with me, or am I alone in this one? Thanks in advance for anyones thoughts, Confused in KC.

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In my opinion, what she is doing is wrong.  I am a CPA, and I believe that both from a professional and a personal point of view it is wrong to keep money that is not yours, especially when you know who the rightful owner is.  If our whole society operated on the basis that she is operating on, think of the chaos that would follow.  Then again, look where we are now… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work. Apparently this happened several months ago and she says has also happened before and the bank never discovered the mistake.  This is a relatively small figure in the scope of her business dealings. She says that there is no "cannon of ethics" she knows of that says that ethically she must notify the bank.  …."Besides if she screwed up the bank wouldn’t tell her….they just write it off…..its a large company so it doesn’t matter….they already pay the bank enough…" She says if the bank calls her and asks for the money she will have no problem in giving it back (DUH!) but as long as they dont she is going to keep her mouth shut. She also says that at work they are doing things right and not making such mistakes and the bank should do the same.  Its not their responsibility to make sure the bank does its job right. Somehow she distinguishes a difference between business and personal dealings.  I asked her if she was following someone who dropped a $100 bill whether she would keep it or give it back.  She said she would give it back, but that was a "totally different" case.  Also many other analogies,… getting too much change, etc. She says everyone she works with agrees with her.  Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses?  Is an accountant like a lawyer where the client is jealously defended first and the truth may be hidden if no one else knows about it?  Although I dont agree with that either. Its my opinion that if she knowingly takes the money it may be illegal.   At the very least it is unethical.  Isnt there a published code of ethics for CPA’s? Wouldnt a board of accountancy be able to enforce such guidelines and have the authority to revoke licenses? If they were audited what would the IRS say? I cant believe that she can believe this.  Does anyone else agree with me, or am I alone in this one? Thanks in advance for anyones thoughts, Confused in KC.

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Perhaps she feels that her employer benefits by her silence, not her, and that makes it acceptable. I don’t think theft to benefit your employer is any better than theft for personal benefit. However, I would suggest she notify the bank anyway—and she will do the right thing and probably still get the money. Twice in my experience the bank has made significant errors in our favor. Once they paid our merchant discount fees and instead of deducting them from our account, they added them. A second time, the shifted a decimal in a deposit. The first gave us 484 and the second 230.00. Now in both cases, I informed the bank, brought them copies of the documents to show the error, and reminded them monthly for ages. I carried the stuff for a year and then booked it as miscellaneous income. After that effort, I thought the company deserved it simply as reimbursement for my time in trying to give the money back ; ) RuthAlice —    I belong to no organized political party…I am a Democrat.         Check out The Useful Page, a directory of hyperlinks          useful to students, researchers, and activists.                 http://www.teleport.com/~ruthalis

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She says everyone she works with agrees with her.  Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses?  

Most states follow the AICPA’s Ethics rules as their guidelines for conduct (or at least most of the volume). The professional ethics rules for CPAs are generally geared towards public accounting and financial reporting.  And the financial reporting rules are simple–there, the CPA is charged with assuring that the records are free of *MATERIAL* error.  If the amount involved was material, the CPA would have to consider under SFAS #5 the likelihood of the "loss contingency" arising and likely book an accrual for the eventual payment.  However, you’ve already admitted that the amount is immaterial. One key concept to get down *FAST* is that there is no one single "correct" set of financial statements or books for any enterprise.  As financial statements are required to disclose these days, financial statements necessarily include estimates and numbers that, at best, approximate the financial condition. The one ethical issue that could tie you up in a case like this is the catch-all "acts discreditable to the profession" clause in the ethics that allows action when no other provision applies.  But in these exact facts, I doubt that issue would be pursued.  Now if her company had taken advantage of such "unjust enrichment" and ended up a widow’s life savings, the situation just might be seen differently. Is an accountant like a lawyer where the client is jealously defended first and the truth may be hidden if no one else knows about it?  Although I dont agree with that either.

CPAs are prohibited in most states from revealing confidential information obtained from clients (or, most cases, their employer) except under court order.  Note that in most states they can be compelled to testify.  Also, at many points in the authoritative accounting literature, the accountant is advised that under certain circumstances he/she must resign the engagement. A key distinction you have to understand is between the outside accountant (public accountant, which is what CPAs are licensed to do) and those inside the firm (who are employees of the entity).  An outside CPA has a duty of independence when dealing with the client *ON FINANCIAL REPORTING ISSUES ONLY*.  The CPA still cannot disclose the information received if the client won’t allow it, but the CPA cannot be associated with a misleading financial statement. If the amount involved was material, an outside CPA likely would not be able to report on any statements that omitted a reference to the issue.  Note that the CPA couldn’t "turn the client in" since that would violate the confidentialty provisions–but issuing a statement anyway would be a serious violation of professional ethics. If the engagement was any other type of engagement, the CPA might be able to complete it, but would need to consider this evidence of the ethics of management in determining whether to continue the engagement.  Again, materiality comes into play, as does the practical fact others have noted that it will be darned difficult to get the bank to *TAKE* the money back (since that means someone at the bank has to admit to making a mistake, and since nobody there wants to do that…<grin). Its my opinion that if she knowingly takes the money it may be illegal.   At the very least it is unethical.  Isnt there a published code of ethics for CPA’s?

Yep–it’s published at the AICPA’s web site (http://www.aicpa.org).  You may have to hunt a bit, since the site isn’t particularly well organized, but the ethics rules and interpretations are there. Wouldnt a board of accountancy be able to enforce such guidelines and have the authority to revoke licenses?

Only under the conditions I outlined above.  At this point, the only thing open would appear to be "acts discreditable" and that appears a flimsy case at best. If they were audited what would the IRS say?

If they reported the windfall as income, absolutely nothing. In fact, the IRS would be more likely to go after someone that still had that "payable" on their books (and so hadn’t recognized the income) even though the bank had refused repayment and wasn’t attempting to get the money back.  The risk with the IRS is if she acts as you apparently believe she should. I cant believe that she can believe this.  Does anyone else agree with me, or am I alone in this one?

Not alone, but probably not aware of many of the important distinctions made in the types of jobs that CPAs perform, and the distinction between a CPA in industry and a CPA in public practice. Ed Zollars, CPA (AZ) http://www.getnet.com/~hmtzcpas

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She isn’t the only one who separates business behavior and "personal" behavior.  But, they are inseperable. Moral imperatives aside.  Similar thing happened to us a couple of years ago.  We wrote a check, the bank under deducted.  We realized it in reconciliation.  But we weren’t sure how to handle it (no moral dilema, its not our money).  We did not want to reissue the check (the difference) to the payee, because we expected the bank to correct the mistake, then we would be holding the bag.  We made four calls to the bank, and finally a visit.  It was never taken care of.  Actually, the people we talked to at the bank insisted the bank couldn’t have made the error.  We went to the payee, their account had been properly credited, so their manager didn’t want the money. We held it in reserve as a liability for a year, sent a certified letter to the bank, and finally gave up and booked it as miscellaneous income. Wins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work.

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My girlfriend is a CPA.  We were discussing her work and how a bank had screwed upand put an extra $3000 dollars in an account at work. Apparently this happened several months ago and she says has also happened before and the bank never discovered the mistake.  This is a relatively small figure in the scope of her business dealings. She says that there is no "cannon of ethics" she knows of that says that ethically she must notify the bank.  …."Besides if she screwed up the bank wouldn’t tell her….they just write it off…..its a large company so it doesn’t matter….they already pay the bank enough…" She says if the bank calls her and asks for the money she will have no problem in giving it back (DUH!) but as long as they dont she is going to keep her mouth shut. She also says that at work they are doing things right and not making such mistakes and the bank should do the same.  Its not their responsibility to make sure the bank does its job right. Somehow she distinguishes a difference between business and personal dealings.  I asked her if she was following someone who dropped a $100 bill whether she would keep it or give it back.  She said she would give it back, but that was a "totally different" case.  Also many other analogies,… getting too much change, etc. She says everyone she works with agrees with her.  Is this truly the case in the accounting profession?  Isnt it every accountants responsibility to provide a truly correct "accounting" of business transactions, be it theirs or someone elses?  Is an accountant like a lawyer where the client is jealously defended first and the truth may be hidden if no one else knows about it?  Although I dont agree with that either. Its my opinion that if she knowingly takes the money it may be illegal.   At the very least it is unethical.  Isnt there a published code of ethics for CPA’s? Wouldnt a board of accountancy be able to enforce such guidelines and have the authority to revoke licenses? If they were audited what would the IRS say? I cant believe that she can believe this.  Does anyone else agree with me, or am I alone in this one? Thanks in advance for anyones thoughts, Confused in KC.

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Anyone got any ideas on accounting/market related responses to spamming?  I know, pay as you go means they won’t be worth sending…… rather mess up the idea of an open newsgroup though….

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Anyone got any ideas on accounting/market related responses to spamming?  I know, pay as you go means they won’t be worth sending…… rather mess up the idea of an open newsgroup though….

I think you’re seeing some news servers take action directly against spamming.  For instance, the news server I’m posting from runs an automated agent to remove spam from their feed before I read it. As a practical matter, that allows me to pay them for that service.  I expect we may see more "edited" sources of news as a way around spam. Alternatively, we’re also seeing more and more groups turn to moderation as a method to control spamming. — Ed Zollars, CPA                         Phoenix, AZ http://www.getnet.com/~hmtzcpas

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///edited out for brevity// |So there you have it.  Companies that use the Internet are losing |money due to spam.  Companies that do business on the Internet are |losing business due to spam. | |-Dan | |– Excellent post– would you consider buying the bulk emailer and sending this message to all spammers.  I’d contribute my share. —- —-  Firefly  -<— My tables don’t link!

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