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Another Intuit spin as posted on C|NET

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posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare.

If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim

They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. There are few post about this now. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Posted & Emailed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – posted & emailed This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working.

I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Posted & Emailed. If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working.

Why did you cut this from my last post: "There are few post about this now." That is why I said it is working. I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim

Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Posted and Emailed. They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. Why did you cut this from my last post: "There are few post about this now." That is why I said it is working.

Don’t see how this line make "it" working. All that says is one issue has passed. Still not sure what you mean by "it is working – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would expect an Intuit employee posting here to need clearance. I can’t see how you can say "it is working". Their feedback to this forum is not working. Their feedback on problems they have solved is not working. Jim Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Don’t see how this line make "it" working. All that says is one issue has passed. Still not sure what you mean by "it is working

It’s the Mike Block defintion of "working". That is, Intuit’s revenues continue to increase despite applakling customer service, and a license activation and enforcement scheme that causes legitimate customers grief. It means that the amount of protest posts have died down since the Wall Street Journal article. It doesn’t mean the problems have been solved. It just means that the optics have improved.

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Your comment is not accurate, Mike. In the "good old days", Intuit fully supported their products online via the CompuServe forums. Users would interact DIRECTLY with support specialists and other power users in the forums. The support people had access to the software engineers and usually came back with both the correct solution to the user’s problem and an AUTHORIZED explanation of how the software operated. Furthermore, bug determinations were made quickly without rancor and put on the to-do list of the engineers. As time went on, Intuit reduced the online staffing levels and the quality of the people assigned to this support. The company pulled the plug after encountering a blizzard of user complaints regarding a particularly inept and bug-ridden upgrade version. "In order to better serve our customers", Intuit ran from public scrutiny and put in place of the public forum a private one-to-one customer dialog where it could easily (and invisibly) turn away customer comments, criticisms, suggestions and questions. The rest is history. Austin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If Intuit has people monitoring forums like this, why doesn’t Intuit have their people respond in this forum? Keeping it a secret won’t help them, and relying on St. Mike to communicate it isn’t working. Jim They never have had anyone do this. When a Quicken guy posted often, on his own time, he was so often trashed he finally dropped out. Perhaps such a person might need company clearance to respond. Regardless, it is working. There are few post about this now. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted." Meanwhile at Intuit headquarters the special "Mike Block Red Phone" rings and the VPs jump to action…. "Yes sir right away sir, public apology will be posted today sir!" What utter BS. Give it a rest Mike, your a bit too self involved for the rest of reality. Do you actually think Intuit apologized because YOU and YOU ALONE told them too?

My requests are a small part of the data Tom gets. I am sure he will not do foolish things for me, but am constructive. People here said Intuit should apologize. I was the only one to publicly agree AND specifically say Tom should do it. 30 hours later a man who was not quoted before about TurboTax activation did so in the Cnet story. A while ago someone wanted what I felt was excessive activation (10 years). I asked Tom to promise this anyway. His favorable reply (on my website about 4 hours later) plainly shows this was a case of first impression. When I claimed responsibility for it someone said I was a megalomaniac, but the emails prove otherwise. I then publicly and privately wrote Tom that it made no economic sense to pay for activation servers for 10 years, as this would not satisfy some users. That made me say Intuit should instead provide a C-Dilla free version of TurboTax after 10/15. It took about 2 days after that for an ExtremeTech article to say this. I could ask Tom to say that my advise on these points was a key part of his decisions or inspiration for them, but that would ask something for me I do not need. Therefore, you need not say Intuit listens to me. It is OK if you believe I am a terrific psychic in predicting what they do. Saint Mike is sounding even better. Tom and I know what is going on and that is enough for us both. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." No one has a problem — until they have a problem. Most people are fat-dumb-and-happy, until something unexpected happens and they have to re-activate TT — that is when the nightmare starts. That is when the "we don’t collect any personal information" sails out the window. To re-activate they want your name, address, where you purchased TT, and so on. The only way to remain anonymous is to purchase another TT.

This seems very accurate. It is why Intuit has people monitoring forums like this looking for problems. About half the time I refer Tom to someone he tells me they have already seen the post and have already contacted the person. Of course, as you say, it does not feel good if you are the one with a nightmare. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -They make people who do have problems feel like an intruder and that they (Intuit) are doing them a big favor to re-activate, rather than understanding that the problem was caused by the product, not the consumer. Good news is not news worthy. No one really cares when everything goes right. It is when thing go wrong that people start paying attention. How a company handles the problems of the few is much more important to the reputation of the company than all of the non-problems put together. To a lot of folks, the reputation of a company’s service department is as important, or more important, than the product itself. Lots of people buy cars, for example, from dealers with good reputation for their service, and shy away from those who they have reportably poor service. I say all of this because Intuit still seems to be puffing up all those who have _not_ had problems (and not having problems is what most people would expect anyway), rather than smoothing the path for those few who do have problems, and trying to make the problem solving process as easy as possible so the customer leaves with a good feeling about Intuit — a company that cares; rather than a company that made them feel like a criminal. -Ernie-

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I failed to put quotation marks about the section pasted from the article, but it really seems to be an exact copy. You must not have read the article carefully. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call. Very odd. Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident; it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet.

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"I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted." Meanwhile at Intuit headquarters the special "Mike Block Red Phone" rings and the VPs jump to action…. "Yes sir right away sir, public apology will be posted today sir!" What utter BS. Give it a rest Mike, your a bit too self involved for the rest of reality. Do you actually think Intuit apologized because YOU and YOU ALONE told them too? —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —–

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just be glad Daniel Lavigne doesn’t use turbotax ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At some point in your life, can you begin omitting alt.accounting from your bash Intuit & Mike Block posts? I have an idea, start a new group called "Bash Mike Block and Intuit" group. Then have at it. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia

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"What do you mean by really bad…? All of it is true. Tom" Hehe I guess that’s the Intuit definition of "true". There is now way on earth that writing to the zero sector was meant to save space for the user, that is a misleading statement clear and simple and shows Intuit is still trying to spin this around with more misleading statements wrapped up in supposed apologies. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top Looks like a small step in the right direction. I wrote Tom about the article and he quickly replied: —–Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:25 AM To: Allanson, Tom I tremendously liked this. The best part was the personal apology from the man who really matters. There was one really bad part: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space,…" —– Original Message —– To: ‘Mike Block – QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.’ Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:46 AM What do you mean by really bad…? All of it is true. Tom I do not know how much space TT now uses in this hidden area. I doubt it is only the 1m it takes as a resident program. However, to me this fast response shows that Intuit believed what Tom said. That does not mean it was not a bad decision as Tom indicates elsewhere in the article. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted."

No one has a problem — until they have a problem. Most people are fat-dumb-and-happy, until something unexpected happens and they have to re-activate TT — that is when the nightmare starts. That is when the "we don’t collect any personal information" sails out the window. To re-activate they want your name, address, where you purchased TT, and so on. The only way to remain anonymous is to purchase another TT. They make people who do have problems feel like an intruder and that they (Intuit) are doing them a big favor to re-activate, rather than understanding that the problem was caused by the product, not the consumer. Good news is not news worthy. No one really cares when everything goes right. It is when thing go wrong that people start paying attention. How a company handles the problems of the few is much more important to the reputation of the company than all of the non-problems put together. To a lot of folks, the reputation of a company’s service department is as important, or more important, than the product itself. Lots of people buy cars, for example, from dealers with good reputation for their service, and shy away from those who they have reportably poor service. I say all of this because Intuit still seems to be puffing up all those who have _not_ had problems (and not having problems is what most people would expect anyway), rather than smoothing the path for those few who do have problems, and trying to make the problem solving process as easy as possible so the customer leaves with a good feeling about Intuit — a company that cares; rather than a company that made them feel like a criminal. -Ernie-

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Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top Looks like a small step in the right direction.

I wrote Tom about the article and he quickly replied: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:25 AM To: Allanson, Tom I tremendously liked this. The best part was the personal apology from the man who really matters. There was one really bad part: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space,…" —– Original Message —– To: ‘Mike Block – QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.’ Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:46 AM What do you mean by really bad…? All of it is true. Tom I do not know how much space TT now uses in this hidden area. I doubt it is only the 1m it takes as a resident program. However, to me this fast response shows that Intuit believed what Tom said. That does not mean it was not a bad decision as Tom indicates elsewhere in the article. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

The article headline is "Intuit offers TurboTax tests, apologies. It says, "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." What part of this is NOT an apology, must less barely one? This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. Funny that he didn’t mention you.

I have three new emails from Tom this morning. Not only did Intuit apologize, but the specific person I asked to apologize did so (though he had made no prior public comment on TurboTax). Tom did not do this because I needed an apology or publicity. He did so once I asked because we agreed with newsgroup posts that Intuit should do this. That it should come from hum was my idea, which he accepted. Now we need details of what he and his website should confirm as to changes for this year. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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Ah thought you were making your own statement, hard to figure out what your referring to sometimes as you mix your own statements with those of others especially since you didn’t quote that section properly in your reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. " Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call. Very odd. Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident; it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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–Victor, Mike just likes to play the semantics game. Since he cannot –directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and –diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good. It seems –to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, –as to why we can only guess. My guess is he is just to invested in Personal capital

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This is nuts. Go to the cited Cnet article that is the subject of this thread. I marked this as a QUOTE. It is the last of several parts of the article quoted, because it is the last paragraph of the article. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident; it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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At some point in your life, can you begin omitting alt.accounting from your bash Intuit & Mike Block posts? I have an idea, start a new group called "Bash Mike Block and Intuit" group. Then have at it. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia

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it is funny how mike block takes credit for everything related to intuit – like they designated him the "go-to" guy for intuit, a grandiose shill if there was ever one!

comment about him contacting the VP and telling him to make a press – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – release and then 30 hours later is funny though. Just like the TT boycott Mike likes to jump in and take credit for everything related to Intuit, yet he isn’t an insider and has nothing personal to gain from Intuit If the VP is taking orders from Mr Block then Intuit is worse off than any of us even imagined. —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —– Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary. It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. Gee. I’m still not impressed. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. Funny that he didn’t mention you. — Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com Victor, Mike just likes to play the semantics game. Since he cannot directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good. It seems to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, as to why we can only guess.

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Mike – I have successfully resisted replying to your posts even with you were posting bald face lies. However, I cannot avoid responding when you call me "prejudiced" for expressing my opinion about an Intuit press release. Perhaps you have no idea what the word prejudiced means? Please explain how it applies to a situation in which I express my displeasure with one single company? You were involved in a long, bandwidth wasting thread a short while back about the meaning of shill. Perhaps you need a new dictionary. It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax.

Gee. I’m still not impressed. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom.

Funny that he didn’t mention you. — Vic Roberts http://www.RobertsResearchInc.com

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Victor, Mike just likes to play the semantics game. Since he cannot directly state what Intuit wants to do he needs to mix words and try and diminish the comments of others in order to make Intuit look good. It seems to be his single goal in life is to protect Intuit’s reputation at all cost, as to why we can only guess. The comment about him contacting the VP and telling him to make a press release and then 30 hours later is funny though. Just like the TT boycott Mike likes to jump in and take credit for everything related to Intuit, yet he isn’t an insider and has nothing personal to gain from Intuit If the VP is taking orders from Mr Block then Intuit is worse off than any of us even imagined. —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —–

Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

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"But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident; it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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"Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. " Hmm, so you don’t work for Intuit and you don’t own stock yet you know what was said during the earnings call. Very odd. Does Intuit have a policy of letting anyone join such calls? —– "I will always do almost anything you ask…" – Mike Block to an Intuit Manager circa Jan 2003 —– Hi all, having lurked here since last December and the start of the

TT/C_DILLA debacle, I haven’t seen a reference to this. It was posted on 2/23/03 AM in the grc.privacy news group. The link is: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://news.com.com/2100-1040-985648.html?tag=fd_top If that wraps here it is at make a shorter link: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C22C26593 Looks like a small step in the right direction. A very small step. Barely an apology. "But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." I think calling this barely an apology is at least as prejudiced as some of my statements It is an apology AND it comes from Tom Allanson, Intuit Senior VP of Consumer Tax. This is the first TurboTax announcement not from a "company spokesman." It is what I publicly asked Tom to do less than 30 hours earlier in this newsgroup (and copied to him). Thank you very much Tom. If anyone thinks Intuit is trying to hide this then this clearly seems to say otherwise. Some will never forgive Intuit for a mistake, though we all should make as few as they do. We also all should like the first part of this (which is what Tom told me on January 26): "We’re probably going to go with a much different strategy next year–it will not be memory-resident; it won’t have any of the writing to track zero problem," he said. I agree the first part of this is silly: "We did it that way because we don’t want to eat up disk space, and we wanted to make it easier if people had to restore from a backup." This is the real story: "We’ve got well over 3 1/2 million people who have activated the product through the server and never had a problem. But I am very sorry for the customers who have been impacted." Intuit executives said during the company’s second-quarter earnings call earlier this month that the TurboTax flap has had a negligible effect on the company’s business. The latest software sales reports from market researcher NPD Group still show Inuit on top, with versions of TurboTax accounting for the top three retail software packages during the first week of February, followed by three versions of H&R Block’s competing TaxCut products. I must say this does not sound like TurboTax still has a 70% market share. That is why Tom now needs a further public statement, coupled with website confirmation, about the other things he told me, ExtremeTech and now Cnet. Mike Block, QuickBooks Tax Cut CPA, 954-566-7540 Founding Member: QuickBooks Advisory Council Error Codes/Fixes http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-errors.htm QB Add-ons http://blocktax.com/quickbooks-addons/quickbooks-add-ons.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Heya Bro :)} Pardon my snippage. Short posts are easier for aged minds. :)} I can look at this from two directions. Yep, the words "under God" sorta fly in the face of "freedom of religion" including "no religion at all". And some religions use words different from "God".

And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written.

Yep, but how do you decide WHOSE ethics, values and morals we should be under? If we’re forcing the kids to say it in school, we better have a consensus about we mean and for a guy who, when I say I feel like crap today tells me how what I’m feeling out on the BF Islands would be perfectly ok, you should get this ; ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a stray thought. SpiritQuest

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x-no-archive:yes perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" well…they could always change it to say In some god(s) some trust?

Why mention it at all? I don’t invoke the gods or goddess when I make a transaction. Who is the goddess in charge of money, anyway? : ) Or….they could make a clear line of delineation between church and state, as the constitution requires.

What a concept… I think it’s arrogant for the USA to think that everyone believes in the same thing or should and tries to remind us of that belief at every turn — that spits in the face of what sets us apart from other nations.

It’s arrogant to assume we all have religion, that’s for sure and it has always been beside the point of the constitution. d

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Great post, Kc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes : : The ninth circuit is the most reversed federal appeals court in the nation – : My take is that some ruling judge somewhere should go in there and : completely review with them what cases they are deciding to hear and what : they are not. Surely they have more important things to do with their time : and our money. I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any oath or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course. : : Isn’t there some innocent guy in jail or something that they could be : hearing? ROFL, I’m *quite sure there are many. : : : And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as : worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next : breath, : we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". : : Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least : tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our : in detail on : the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the : foundation : of these United States. : : It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the : pre-Eisenhower : wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these : principles are *not* mere words. : : It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch : "fringe religions", : that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to : them too. : But it would be a step in the right direction. : : If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State : has become : very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to : the phrase : "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an : affirmation of : te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. : : | : | : | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional : | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. : | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest : news. : | : | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution : | : | "Amendment I : | : | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or : | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of : | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to : | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" : | : | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until : | the 50’s…… : | : | not everyone’s god is the same….. : | : | just a bit of history : — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

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YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part!

What a strange time to be reciting the pledge of allegiance! :)} SpiritQuest

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And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all".

Heya Bro :)} Pardon my snippage. Short posts are easier for aged minds. :)} I can look at this from two directions. Yep, the words "under God" sorta fly in the face of "freedom of religion" including "no religion at all". And some religions use words different from "God". Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written. Just a stray thought. SpiritQuest

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Nawwww … Robert Byrd talked about God on the floor of the Senate yesterday … we are talking about God and it not being in the Pledge right now … its not wrong or bad or unconstitutional for people to talk about God. What the itch is a group nazi storm trooping pledge to da Oberfurher God … or it could be a pledge to a "No God" as well … that would be equally as misplaced and unconstitutional. Its the Governement working as whole, making the nazi trip of a Country under Vishnu or Under No God or Under Satan My Uncle is whats the problem. This is the correct fact of the matter … The pledge addition of that God thingy since 1952 is wrong, is unconstitutional and done by popular vote just like they burned the Constitution or tossed American Japanese people in USA gulags on December 8th 1941. Or making Slavery legal by Supreme Court vote … or making Bush President by Supreme Court vote and not the Electors doing it – it was wrong, illegal, unconstitutional and bad. The 136,000 ’spoiled votes’ where people wrote in pen or pencil ‘Al Gore’ cause they knew their voting machine was busted, and they wanted their vote to be clear … when they held it up to the light to see what was written on them. These 136K votes were NEVER counted, on the first count – on the second count – all the way through the sixthe count and till today – these voters have not been counted and their legal and constitutional voted taken note of as provided by law. Simply cuase time ran out – ha. Toss Bush outta office – he is not the President. We will have a much better country with out the Slave State Christian Republicans like Korish, Jones or Robertson to do all this to the USA. Slave State Corporations seem to be a big problem these days ya notice. Slave State Republcians have assassinated every President the USA had. They got quite a resume these Slave State Christians just like Bush is a believer and making for the Last Trumpet one nation under GOD that kills and makes babies with his virgin daughters. sumbuddie not making it up. Does that mean that the Declaration of Independence is also unconstitutional? And what about the US Constitution?

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Please pay attention to the Constitution saying "no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof (religion). so Robert Byrd can talk about God all he wants as you and I can – and we do all the time. That is not unconstitutional … the itch is when I (as a governemnt employee) make Dragon Lady or Liz or Kaitlyn or Azure or Tiderider sit down with me – stand up with me and make them pray to MY GOD who dont fuck around, is not a hypocrite or makes junk. That just would be so abusive – coercisive and misplaced for me to force and make them do this by public toxic shaming or toxic shunning, killfileing, deleting and ignoring … as they are not beleivers like ME. You want to pray to God in school – then go to Jonestown or Waco or the 700 Club and pay for it yourself – dont use tax payers money for your GOD trip – I dont use your taxpayers voucher money for my GOD trip. Its only fair – ya think ??? sumbuddie said dis :*) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history

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And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)} depends on who would have been the assigned helpers. the Archangel Frank would have done a quick and economical job, however the demoness Hildybel would have scrapped and redone it six times. and given us protuberant

fins. Yeah, but then we’d have been in her image! Dragon

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message following: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. You know, this is something I just don’t understand. Pledging allegiance, in one form or another, has been around for longer than most of the religions that exist today. It is *not* the same thing as worshiping, even when directed at a flag, which is nothing other than a representation of a country. Unless you worship this country (I sure as hell don’t), pledging allegiance to the flag, with or without the phrase "under God", is hardly worship. It’s a pledge of loyalty, and nothing more.

I was wondering if anyone would catch that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dragon

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| | x-no-archive:yes | | | perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… | | "In God We Trust" | | well…they could always change it to say | | In some god(s) some trust? | | Why mention it at all? I don’t invoke the gods or goddess when I make a | transaction. Who is the goddess in charge of money, anyway? : ) Well, I’ve often heard phrases like "Goddamned rip off!" during transactions involving money. Currency bearing religious sentiments is certainly another area in which those who wish a closer joining between (their) religion and the government have been able to gain a foothold. Still, there is at least some difference between a few more words on already verbose and symbol-laden currency, and actually pressuring children to take a daily oath containing religiously biased phrasing. And you don’t think there’s pressure? Ask any kid who has tried skipping that phrase whether they were permitted to do so without being challenged by teachers and/or classmates. You’d think it could pass unnoticed, but you can be sure it doesn’t. | Or….they could make a clear line of delineation between church and | state, as the constitution requires. | | What a concept… | | I think it’s arrogant for the USA to think that everyone believes in | the same thing or should and tries to remind us of that belief at | every turn — that spits in the face of what sets us apart from other | nations. | | It’s arrogant to assume we all have religion, that’s for sure and it has | always been beside the point of the constitution. Hmmm. Beside the point? I’d say in direct opposition to the point. | d | | l

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following: perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" If the court ruling is to be considered a law, wouldn’t that seem to contravene the part about making no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Sorta somehow kinda seems to be what it’s trying not to be.

It doesn’t say the courts will not make laws about religion. It says Congress can’t. DRagon

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Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)} Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written. Yep, but how do you decide WHOSE ethics, values and morals we should be under?

Mine. If we’re forcing the kids to say it in school, we better have a consensus about we mean and for a guy who, when I say I feel like crap today tells me how what I’m feeling out on the BF Islands would be perfectly ok, you should get this ; )

I understand *everything*. I’m just not telling anyone til I get donuts. SpiritQuest here

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And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)}

depends on who would have been the assigned helpers. the Archangel Frank would have done a quick and economical job, however the demoness Hildybel would have scrapped and redone it six times. and given us protuberant fins. azure

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It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction.

You know, this is something I just don’t understand. Pledging allegiance, in one form or another, has been around for longer than most of the religions that exist today. It is *not* the same thing as worshiping, even when directed at a flag, which is nothing other than a representation of a country. Unless you worship this country (I sure as hell don’t), pledging allegiance to the flag, with or without the phrase "under God", is hardly worship. It’s a pledge of loyalty, and nothing more. Dragon

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X-No-Archive: yes I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court.

I agree. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any

oath You got a card??? How’d you do that? I want my card! *pout* *LOL* or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course.

Yes, including the rights of the very people who are are objecting to this to object. Personally, I’d rather have to put up with the KKK demonstrating against blacks (as long as they don’t do anything that *is* illegal) than give up the right to demonstrate against the KKK – which is just as much a possibility, once those rights start being eroded. Dragon

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In some god(s) some trust?

on the usa currency – sure – its more accurate and reflects current day accounting practices mandated by federal law and funded by Bush since he is the administrator working the tax payers money as provided by law … that isn’t. Kenny Boy is not in jail and Bush is going after the bad guys now. Not then – but now its time to do something. President No Know is whipping out his Presidental Powers and saving us. Isn’t that sweet. sumbuddie all verklempt … :*) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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the following: YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part! What a strange time to be reciting the pledge of allegiance! :)}

Maybe she’s of English ancestry, since they very often yell something about Queen and country… while American women… they come close to God… or they’re close to God when they do… or thank God they can or did… or something along those lines… it’s hard to tell which is which and what is what with all that flailing about, yelling, and screaming… not to mention the occasional bone crushing head vise bit. Don’t get me wrong though… that had vise bit ain’t all that bad… it only lasts a few seconds… then the sweet black serenity of unconsciousness comes to one’s rescue… sides that, ain’t no fetching that warm washcloth when you’re out cold. Thank God for the small perks, huh. SpiritQuest

You’ve just *got* to get out more, son! Broadin one’s Horizen, doncha know.

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following: perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust"

If the court ruling is to be considered a law, wouldn’t that seem to contravene the part about making no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Sorta somehow kinda seems to be what it’s trying not to be.

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following: X-No-Archive: yes Well my take on it is that they consistently go for hearing things that are full of controversy rather than things that would normally take up the time of a federal appeals court.

That’s an odd thing to say in my opinion, since, lacking any controversy, they wouldn’t be hearing a case to begin with. It is, after all, an appeals court. Although this case may have significance for some – I don’t argue with that – it cannot be the most vital type of thing before them.

I guess it depends on your definition of vital. How many other cases have they heard in which their decision made global front page headlines? But, it is newsworthy isn’t it? We now know the names and histories of the judges involved. Jaded old me tends to think that may have been a solid consideration in them deciding to hear the case. Just my take on it. And a question? How does a federal appeals court judge get noticed enough to be appointed to a court further up the line?

By dissenting with any such decision as this recent one. How does a judge ensure the end of any chance of progressing in his career? By handing down an opinion such as these two judges did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : The ninth circuit is the most reversed federal appeals court in the nation – : My take is that some ruling judge somewhere should go in there and : completely review with them what cases they are deciding to hear and what : they are not. Surely they have more important things to do with their time : and our money. I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any oath or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course. : : Isn’t there some innocent guy in jail or something that they could be : hearing? ROFL, I’m *quite sure there are many. : : : And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as : worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next : breath, : we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". : : Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least : tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our : in detail on : the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the : foundation : of these United States. : : It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the : pre-Eisenhower : wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these : principles are *not* mere words. : : It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch : "fringe religions", : that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to : them too. : But it would be a step in the right direction. : : If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State : has become : very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to : the phrase : "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an : affirmation of : te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. : : | : | : | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional : | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. : | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the lat est : news. : | : | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution : | : | "Amendment I : | : | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or : | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of : | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to : | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" : | : | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until : | the 50’s…… : | : | not everyone’s god is the same….. : | : | just a bit of history

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YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history

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And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our in detail on the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the foundation of these United States. It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the pre-Eisenhower wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these principles are *not* mere words. It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State has become very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to the phrase "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an affirmation of te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear.

| | | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. | | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution | | "Amendment I | | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" | | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until | the 50’s…… | | not everyone’s god is the same….. | | just a bit of history |

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perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our in detail on the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the foundation of these United States. It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the pre- Eisenhower wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these principles are *not* mere words. It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State has become very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to the phrase "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an affirmation of te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history

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— Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.

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Does that mean that the Declaration of Independence is also unconstitutional? And what about the US Constitution?

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yaaa and the slave state republicans that gave us Korish, Jones and Robertson also gives us a 5-4 selection of a President instead of an election as the Constitution calls for … now the fight is over GOD. The Senators and the Represenatives will shout from the halls of Congress about GOD, how to save GOD, how to be with GOD, and have GOD in Congress. These Slave State Republcians gave us Enron so Enron could select the president – this takes money. Money is free speach – and money is now God and something to trust – not Arthur Anderson. For the people who read me – I told you guys that from Enron would be 27 Corporations like K-mart – Tyco – Global Crossing – not MCI-Worldcom is going bust – they are only about 17 more compaies to ball on the stockmarket. And all the while the LAWYER for Tyco – made a Board of Directors approval for a $10 Million Bonus if the lawyer in his 1 year tenure of making money for Tyco – if the Lawyer gets nailed on criminal charges for doing his job – they pay him off as soon as the charges are filed. Now why isnt information on the stock market for future loss charges on the stocks for the balance sheet and prosepctus instead of a bunch of Ashcroft HYPE. Honest HYPE of course – just sorry we have to admitt that we lied – since we are being honest about lying now. IF only Bush had know how EVIL ken Lay was – this would have never happened. Its not easy having such a dummy for a President … since this is not a political scandal – its an industry scandal … since they were just following the law the Republcians and the Slave State Christians put into place for their war on Liberals who are going to hell anyway. Waiting for the Last Trumphet to be proved right after they blow it all up. Thinking it will get them to heaven. sumbuddie not making dis up :*) — Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.

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Accounting Talk » Accounting Job » What goesaround…………

What goesaround…………

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense. Best – Fido

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I agree though I wish it were otherwise :o( – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true? We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense. Best – Fido

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I agree though I wish it were otherwise :o(

Well, more often than not, it’s what you make of it. There is a bit of an art to identifing what you can control, and what you can’t control. If you can figure that out, working on what you *can* control (which may be different than what you *want* to control) can turn into a full-time and rewarding job. And I can promise you that’s true. Best – Fido

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I have seen it on occasion……not as often as I think I would need to see it to really trust in it. Denise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree though I wish it were otherwise :o( comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true? We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense. Best – Fido

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

I do believe it. I also believe that it may greatly change form by the time it comes back around, and we may hardly recognize it. At least that’s been my experience and my observation of the experiences of others i have known.

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true? I do believe it. I also believe that it may greatly change form by the time it comes back around, and we may hardly recognize it. At least that’s been my experience and my observation of the experiences of others i have known.

Do you think that the accounts that don’t get settled on earth might get settled in the Afterlife? That every bit of joy, or every bit of pain that you provided for, or caused another will be repaid in kind as part of the Great Reckoning? I always thought that if that were true – that if one was had to endure in the Next Place exactly the amount of frustration, injustice and pain they caused others – then Bill Gates will be spend eternity rebooting his Heavenly Computer. Best – Fido

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true? We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense.

I think it kind of depends on what you mean by "karma." If you mean it in the grand cosmic sense of "will a piano, or some other heavy object, fall out of the sky and crush my ex in retribution for his or her wrongs?" then I would say that, no, there’s no real "karma" out there. But in the sense of "his/her approach to people will come back to bite him or her in the butt one of these days," I think that often (more than statistical coincidence) what comes around goes around (coming back to bite you in the butt, btw, i think is more in keeping with that phrase than "karma.") I do believe that people who routinely go around treating people badly and profiting from it will lose out in the long run, although not in the grand and inglorious way that we might wish. It’s like crime–a lot of people get away with petty crimes, and a fair amount of major crimes go unsolved as well. So, if you commit a single crime, you probably do stand a good chance of "getting away with it." But that’s not how *criminals* operate. They commit crime after crime, and I’d guess that most of them, in the long run, are worse off than if they’d led a clean, honest life. For example, my ex’s cheat mate died in a car crash before I even knew of the affair. This is probably "karma" in the corrupted American sense, the sense that Fido denies truly exists. And few people get that sort of satisfaction. But, my ex’s deeper character flaws are that he is a liar, untrustworthy, highly critical of others, and a user of people. As a direct result, he has few lasting friendships, can’t hold a job for more than a few months, and continues to be an angry, bitter, unhappy person, as far as I can tell. There is so much fucked up in his life, and nearly all of it is the result of his own self-seeking actions. I wouldn’t trade places with him for anything. That, to me, illustrates the concept of "what comes around, goes around."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense. I think it kind of depends on what you mean by "karma." If you mean it in the grand cosmic sense

Oh, shit. Let me rephrase that. "We used to have good <snip discussions about that here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind." (Occam’s razor. For a clean, close shave every time.) Best – Fido

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Yes, I do! D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

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Do you think that the accounts that don’t get settled on earth might get settled in the Afterlife?

Actually, yeah… I have to believe it… Keeps me from killing people.

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Yes, I do!

Come around *here*, bay-bee! Love – Fido – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – D. comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

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I don’t know but I really really hope so! Lori Mc

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A year or so ago I was in the same room as my son who was on the phone to his mother. She was trying to get him to come to her place for an overnight,( we had agreed that instead of a rigid structure, our son could decide when he would be with either one of us). He was declining her invitation and I could tell that she was raising a fuss to him about this. In the marriage she had a nasty habit of always putting her own needs above the rest of the family) After a moment he calmly said to her " what goes around comes around mom" and terminated the call. So in some cases you could say it is literally so! Robert M.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

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Why am I hearing that old harry Chapin song in my head, "The Cat’s in the Cradle" right about now. Bruce B. "In America, there is either room for everyone…or it’s not America."

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"Bruce" wrote : Why am I hearing that old harry Chapin song in my head, "The Cat’s in the Cradle" right about now. Bruce B.

I think of that song in my head every time my ex does or says something that just drives our kids further away from him. It appears that maybe the ex has noticed and seems to be trying to do things differently (at least this weekend worked out that way…) Hopefully, this new turn of events is lasting.. Cal~

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I always wondered about the balance/justness of such things. I mean, they say that good people are "given"

Careful with the concept of "given". A shortstop might be "given" a bad hop to deal with. There is not necessarily a cognazant party doing the "giving" in many cases, I think. bad things to help them grow, become stronger, develop more insight/compassion/wisdom etc.

I think it is just something that lets you squeeze any available benefit out of even the worst situations, and is a condition of mind thing. A depressed person, for example, would be unable to see good in about anything. With a frame of mind that sees more good, you can help yourself better. And, most of us need all the help we can get. Best – Fido

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I think of that song in my head

hehehe… before someone rags on me for that one, thought I’d point out that I noticed the redundancy here, but too late to hit the stop button. Ah well….

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My Buddhism is a bit rusty, I confess. But the thing that I always thought really sucked about that theory, is that if I lead a truly good and insightful life as a woman, I am *rewarded* by coming back next time as a man. Not to start a bashing thing here, but don’t you guys (by and large) think we women have it made? So wouldn’t you wonder about the idea of that being a "reward"?

Well, CRAP!! You mean if i’m really really good i’ll have to give up multiple orgasms???? Watch out, then, i’ve got some bein’ BAD to do!!!!!

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

Yes, I do believe in Karma. 20 years ago I left my wife for the one who left me 3 years ago. When this one was leaving, the things she said were almost verbatim what I had said 20 years ago. Robre

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Well, Janie. As another of us that has had more than their share of "Bad Karma" comin’ down on them in their lives, do you believe there is a balance point where when it all hits the fan? Will we will be able to stand above it all, and watch the rest of the world ask why? Are we the instruments of karmic balance or are we merely puppets? If that holds true we are due a whole lot of good things comin’ our way. If it’s not, what’s it all for? Why are we here? Why do we keep going? John ( who asks himself these questions every hour of every day )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. I always wondered about the balance/justness of such things. I mean, they say that good people are "given" bad things to help them grow, become stronger, develop more insight/compassion/wisdom etc. So when bad people are given bad things, does that mean they’re a gift to them also, or a "reap what you sow" cosmic justice system? I personally think there is, as Fido says, a whole bunch of bad shit out there, just dropping randomly on people’s heads. But I think if you are doing bad stuff, you’re just more likely to bring into your life people who will do bad stuff to you. So that would mean that folks who are predators get MORE than their random share of bad shit in their lives. Some might say that’s not apparent – but when I look at all the jails in the country, and when I think of what this child sexual predator we’re sentencing in March is going to face when he goes to jail, I think it *is* apparent. Janie — The reason why rivers and seas receive the homage of a hundred mountain streams is that they keep below them. – Lao Tse

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If it’s not, what’s it all for? Why are we here? Why do we keep going? John ( who asks himself these questions every hour of every day )

Then how do you get any work done? Best – Fido

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comes round. Do you, kind readers, believe that this is true?

I’d like to believe it is true, but I don’t really think it applies to the here and now because I see people who do very bad things living a nice life and people who do very good things living a very hard life. If there is an afterlife, then it’s very possible that what goes around here will come back at you then.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We used to have a good ongoing "karma" discussion here some time ago, whether there was some kind of cosmic accounting that caused all good or bad we rendered to come back in kind. My conclusion was: No. There enough tragedy, injustice and unfairness in the world to provide fairly conclusive evidence that is sufficient to completely discount that theory. It is something, though, we often believe only because we *need* think things make sense. satisfaction. But, my ex’s deeper character flaws are that he is a liar, untrustworthy, highly critical of others, and a user of people. As a direct result, he has few lasting friendships, can’t hold a job for more than a few months, and continues to be an angry, bitter, unhappy person, as far as I can tell. There is so much fucked up in his life, and nearly all of it is the result of his own self-seeking actions. I wouldn’t trade places with him for anything. That, to me, illustrates the concept of "what comes around, goes around."

I peeked in today, and can’t resist this thread so here I go. Kathryn’s understanding of karma is closest to what mine is, too. People who are bitter, angry, and vengeful will generally reap negative results. This doesn’t mean that I believe (as many do) there is some angry God above, keeping score and causing the ex’s cheatmate to die in a car crash. That doesn’t make sense to me….after all, why is Melonhead still alive and kicking? Why would some be punished, karmically speaking, and others remain untouched? As Fido mentions, there is way too much suffering (especially of innocents) to believe that all suffering is the result of some cruel cosmic pay-back. If I were to believe that, I’d be posting in the suicide thread because it would make me despondant to think that if people suffer, it must be their own fault. The world is a beautiful, benevolent place, but there is some terrible stuff that goes on to people who really have no say in the matter. Lauri in WA I like my email spamless

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Accounting Talk » Accounting » SALLY

SALLY

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SEND NO MORE MONEY!! The person that is adopting her has fees paid. Please do not send anymore money to her directly. If you have up til now, please email me an accounting so i can make sure it is being used to save Sally and not elsewhere. Thanks!

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The following is a quote from another rescue list I subscribe to: Everyone, Nancy, who has tried to save poor Sally (and is currently accomplishing that task!) has someone (Brooke), who was so willing to set up her original web site for her (for free of course) is now attempting to funnel the funds for Sally into her own site. Ugly, but true. Here’s the sequence of events regarding this poor starving girl and her rescuer, Nancy: From Nancy: << The starving dog has been rescued & taken straight to the hospital, where she currently is. Photos taken today & a diary of the care she is getting will be posted on a special page of Animal Match Rescue Team website (http://www.animalmatch.net) later tonight. I appreciate all of the support everyone has offered & it does look like the care will be extensive & all help will be needed. Unfortunately, the person entrusted to create the initial webpage has proved unreliable & all contact with that web page should be halted. I would appreciate any of you that have handed out this web page to please resend your e-mail with the contact being SaveSallyNow, and also resend the new web info as soon as Carolyn announces it. Thank ALL of you so much! Nancy Below are the MOST recent emails from Nancy (and please understand that I KNOW this woman and have been dealing with her for months now. She is entirely reputable…to the point where, when I learned yesterday that she’d taken on Sally’s plight, I expressed concern that she’d taken on more than she could chew…which it looks like she has…for reasons other than I’d originally thought!) << Save Sally Rescue Project She is calling me the fraud. I swear to God, I am sick. I was so desperate to help Sally, I sent everyone my HOME address for donations!! I am going to scam using my home address? Everything was to be sent made out to "Save Sally Fund", but I didn’t have time yesterday or today to worry about a PO box….that just wasn’t a priority…..so I gave every Tom, Dick, and Harry my home address! Her name <<from Gail: I asked the name of the person who is trying to make a quick buck off Sally’s tragic circumstance is Brooke Kelly & if you notice, she has changed the website to ask for volunteers or other ways to help. Help what? She has only stepped foot in 1 shelter in her entire life & that was when I referred her to San Gabriel for a German Shep. She is right now IM’ing people using SaveSally. She has nothing to do with Sally! I WANT TO SCREAM!! I’ve got to go find a stale ciggie somewhere in one of the drawers!!!! Bottom line is this: Isn’t it a horrible shame (although I know it happens every day, all day) that someone would actually attempt to personally gain (financially!) at the expense of a pathetic starving dog and the righteous woman who is attempting to save her?!

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Accounting Talk » Office Accounting » QB for GL, PR, AP with AR from outside source?

QB for GL, PR, AP with AR from outside source?

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While you can import such data to QuickBooks, it is not easy, and would probably take too much work to set up and implement. (We are working on a similar problem for a client right now, and the programming is intense!) Why not try a customizable solution like Visual AccountMate, or even WebLedger? If you need more information, let us know. — Joy & Associates P.C., CPA’s Information and Technology Consultants QuickBooks Certified Professional Advisors Peachtree PeachCare Advisors Visual AccountMate Business Partners

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have an application that uses a centralized back end accounting system for hundreds of separate POS stores. We are talking to a new customer that does not need the home office system and wants the individual stores to maintain their own local accounting. Can Quick Books fill this need? We will pass in all AR, There will be no inventory, we do all AR Aging and statements. We will pass in receiver documents to AP. QuickBooks only needs to handle PR, GL, and AP for cutting checks. What file types does QB need? ascii, ado, xml ? TIA __Stephen

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Thanks for the heads up on importing data. Any other suggestions where theprice is low and the functionality is too? We don’t want to pay for MAS90, Great Plains price per module __Stephen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not sure I’d want to commit too heavily to a product (QB) where the owner (Intuit) fights the notion of importing data. I’d be looking elsewhere. — David Ray ProSystems, Inc. TimeSheet/TimeCard/TimeClock Systems www.timecalc.com I have an application that uses a centralized back end accounting system for hundreds of separate POS stores. We are talking to a new customer that does not need the home office system and wants the individual stores to maintain their own local accounting. Can Quick Books fill this need? We will pass in all AR, There will be no inventory, we do all AR Aging and statements. We will pass in receiver documents to AP. QuickBooks only needs to handle PR, GL, and AP for cutting checks. What file types does QB need? ascii, ado, xml ? TIA __Stephen

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I have an application that uses a centralized back end accounting system for hundreds of separate POS stores. We are talking to a new customer that does not need the home office system and wants the individual stores to maintain their own local accounting. Can Quick Books fill this need? We will pass in all AR, There will be no inventory, we do all AR Aging and statements. We will pass in receiver documents to AP. QuickBooks only needs to handle PR, GL, and AP for cutting checks. What file types does QB need? ascii, ado, xml ? TIA __Stephen

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I’m not sure I’d want to commit too heavily to a product (QB) where the owner (Intuit) fights the notion of importing data. I’d be looking elsewhere. — David Ray ProSystems, Inc. TimeSheet/TimeCard/TimeClock Systems www.timecalc.com

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Accounting Talk » Accounting » HELP NEEDED!!!! PLEASE!

HELP NEEDED!!!! PLEASE!

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Hello All, My dad has Instant Accounting 2000 by Sage, and he has a problem. When ever he does a P & L or balance, it should do a lovely report, but, instead it has little blocks of black. If I zoom right in and set the font to size 72, it looks like the letters are all ontop of each other. To get an idea write a few letters on paper and write each one over the top of the last, eventually you will have a blob of mess. If anyone has had this problem before, or knows how to sort it out, please contact me. Thankyou in advance.

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I have never seen or used this program, but it seems to me it might be using the wrong printer drivers. Just a suggestion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, My dad has Instant Accounting 2000 by Sage, and he has a problem. When ever he does a P & L or balance, it should do a lovely report, but, instead it has little blocks of black. If I zoom right in and set the font to size 72, it looks like the letters are all ontop of each other. To get an idea write a few letters on paper and write each one over the top of the last, eventually you will have a blob of mess. If anyone has had this problem before, or knows how to sort it out, please contact me. Thankyou in advance.

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Accounting Talk » Financial Accounting » Lack of Harmonisation

Lack of Harmonisation

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Check out the International Accounting Standards Committee http://www.iasc.org.uk You should be able to get a free leaflet from them [if the info isn’t already on their Web site) which may be relevant as it is entitled: "Harmonising Accounting Standards" They have completed work on a core set of 40 standards for large and international companies as requested by the International Organisation of Securities Commissions. HTH — Roger Barnett

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Peter French wrote, "I am doing further research over the next 4 years which includes revisiting a previous thesis as to the lack of harmonisation (of Accounting Standards & Practise, Corporate and Taxation Law ) .." Good work Peter, keep at this. I think there is going to be a whole new level of interest in the topic of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) and how they vary between the larger industrialized countries. This interest will arise from the implementation of XML vocabularies and semantic structures for US GAAP (the AICPA’s XFRML project) and for IAS’s (International Accounting Standards). These XML projects involve software people and accountants coming from a fundamentally different set of objectives: Where the boards and owners of enterprises (and the Big 5 who serve them) have as their primary objective the *noncommunication* and achieving the maximum degree of spindoctoring and recharacterization of results of business operations consistent with ethics and law, the software and machine semantics specialists have as their objective the simply to accurately tag and process that information through the application of clear and unambiguous rules. My advice to you is to tap into those XML projects for a rich vein of information. Those projects will be unable to capture GAAP in unambiguous rule sets without reconciliing every contradiction, and backfilling every omission. Furthermore the existence of these GAAP XML templates will likely enable XSLT transformations of financial statements into other GAAP templates. This will be reallllll intersting! You could do worse than just setting up a concession stand, to sell commentary on the issues turned up by those workgroups…. Todd Boyle CPA http://www.gldialtone.com xml accounting webledgers Before you buy.

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I am doing further research over the next 4 years which includes revisiting a previous thesis as to the lack of harmonisation (of Accounting Standards & Practise, Corporate and Taxation Law ) inhibiting Global/Cross Border Trade. The purpose of this request is: (1) To determine if there is any interest in any on this NG in any aspect (2) To ascertain whether any practitioners would be interested in contributing at any stage, either by general comment, or completion of surveys (3) To ascertain if any corporations are interested in this area e.g. USA/Canadian operations. The research will cover NAFTA, EC and the Australian/New Zealand CER Peter French Melbourne, Australia Fax +61 (0) 3 9432 5304

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Accounting Talk » Office Accounting » Green+2

Green+2

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I just read limefires v-card attachment punched up the addy.Makes more sense. (campbell is a pyschic the cross walk hand signal was his suggestion given as a gift extraordinary abilties in youth) Sorry General Miles limefire not Crooke, Miles took over command. Long story anyway you know whats coming pal you gotta understand this right now i never read your card till today just woke up again. Have you considered limefire that the Warren Commission termed you a human Guienne pig my deepest living concern. Now as long as your happy cool. No one has a clue why your in this spot but you can benefit from chemical enhanced treatment.You gotta understand only today was this read never before so you are seeing a real pyschic on your case. These people are so lost the mental health clan that there is no way back.They removed the miltary ID numbers from the PDR to hide their crimes against humanity.This is the lowest of the low.Fortunately your 60 years into this era of history ( sigmund frued paying back a bribe to escape the gestapo scams america sex sells never paid off) and after hundreds of thousands of victims they arrived at a chemical halt with side effects that can stop your symptoms. This must go into the doctors office coast to coast with no confinement walk in walk out .Children and parents are the largest scam together accounting billions in lost cash.Mis-diagnosis is over 80% (legal reasons) These scum are the sole reason Amerika is getting its ass kicked. They lied stole cheated fucked an entire world. The great Satan.You may rest assured Ventura Ojai has beat the living fucking god damn piss outta em i sent in a expert to a meeting resulting in massive damage in the last 3 months.It does no good they are already trying to get one year federal standard of care and suck these hard working people dry.They use the bleeding heart approach. The solution is no confinement no goverment involvement doctor patient in out. I belong to three organization and have steered them to victory law by law.I am using you .You are a nim wit you get well your safe but as Hitler did if times get tuff your a goner. Once you are diagnosised with a mental disease you are a defective (warren commission) and you no longer are ever a citizen with full rights period.Presently about 80% misdiagnosis resulting in a 100% lifetime disability to a 100% population. From one in 500 1900th century to 1 in 10 the most serious crime against humanity ever done in the history of the world THE GREAT SATAN. I repeat doctor patient no confinement children parents no hospitals inc. other solutions immediately. I spent over 140,000$ to get the Reisse decision passed that meaning 150,000 involuntary holds a year suspended in ca alone. ALL HAIL THE GREAT SATAN AMERIKA. It wont be much longer before Satan is over extended and can be liberated. These doctor youth worshiping fools were bleed whiter than sheep once a wonderful place a vicious perpetual crime ridden country solely for this reason alone.One outta of ten of its population has a skeleton in the closet dripping blood. The most abused country on earth trapping victims with promise of wealth dragging them to the asylums coast to coast at a average tax payer expense of 700+$ per day treatment for 3 days then 14 then six months lifetime total care gone expensed fast real fast Only a few years ago DSM3 was changed to DSM4 giving these people religious freedom back they were so stupid they didnt know where it was the sheep of sheep. It will do no good to write this. I urge you to tear down your asylum like i did with the local food stamp office. It took 15 years to complete but was carefully done we fucked everyone good. Run them outta your town have local meetings friends that are legal experts your local foodstamp office tear these places down.They are as cockroachs.Our property values are climbing so fast here on THE GOLDEN COAST i might have to move.Every nights a party. Then we got em real good 3 months ago. Also the Feds pussied out. Your Federal goverment is a puss AMERIKA SATAN they let em slide. Then we got them back. .The hospital administrator was previously indicted for mortage fraud and wasn’t accredited county goverment.Puss so we got them again. But AMERIKA is mostly propoganda news talk actually they let them slide after a little show.WE dont let this happen we smash these cockroachs. The recent coast to coast AMERIKA THE GREAT SATAN mental health scam started in ventura yes Mr Campbell letting them fight their way out just a casual talk about a stogie a simple guest in a meeting that campbell suggest he go KA BOOM HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IN DAMAGE FREEDOM . These strong people here on the GOLD COAST are still weak and i cant even do all the work i should be doing with all of my projects so i ask maybe the few tiny tiny readers to boycot AMERIKAN MENTAL HEALTH anyway you can. Thank you limefire i have greatly enhanced my spirtual abilities. I am working on my medical education. I always believed to become a Dr. one must have had a halo/nimbus. These AMERIKAN MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ARE THE GREATEST THREAT IN THE WORLD TODAY since 1939 termed the GREAT SATAN this is very well understood. They are very well understood use these facts download PDR DSM3/4 refer 80"s copies. YOU ARE NOW ARMED AND READY with factual information.The old PDR’s carry the military id numbers to drugs developed on their owen citizens for military purposes. Physicians Desk Reference and mind control. The two manuels DSM3/4 detail religious freedom CAMPBELLS MOTHERFUCKING GIFT TO YOU. (A licensed minister) G-Night

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Ok Sad-ness Clowning around is over. You gotta change your whole life.All healing comes from within i have been clowning around with your but you have gotta change.If this stubborn case of yours persists your fixed, set or stubborn . Plus you have bad physicians no doubt. Your tonsils are needed your right just like male circumcision another scam (hidden cause of blindness, campbell solves genetic’s). I cant even believe the antibiotic therapy you must have had probably all too weak or too strong at the wrong times and probably guesswork.This tv-set microscope approach is great cause with live foods and juices you can watch stuff break apart disappear and reduce the loads.Get a UV- light for your room it sterilizes the carpets walls etc but its bad for your eyes so stay out.Get a dog a pet it will energize your enviroment another pole against this dark force in your world. Stay away from restaurants and don’t kiss stray girls the same germs in the butt are in the mouth (that’s a fact) .But sharing germs is way cool if around healthy people.Wash your hands your kitchen scrub it.We love Dr. Bonners Peppermint castile soap (skin). Eat friendly bacteria get fresh air 24/7 and sunlight take off your clothes go swimming in the ocean when you get stronger. You parents where probably cases and i bet you were well off.Your like part of the new world not the old world. I shudder to think what your dentist was like .Somehow i do not believe you exist i think you are a quack pretending but just to finish this hand. Saunas followed by cold showers will build whats left of your immune system.If you do get sick again drop your doctor find a gastrointerologist they got the smarts plus they got the best dope.Now i am done clowning around.I don’t know where you live but find someplace that’s about the same temp. all year round. Till you get stronger wear the correct clothes. Loose fitting airy as much as possible. Nothing in a bottle jar is the real deal.The whole focus might have to do with music singing voice good luck. Be the first to open windows in a room. Work as a gardener off and on casual labor. That’s the suggestions. Oh yeah paper money and coins are filthy dirty and don’t share joints or pipes.If your into speed or meth. drop it. Your now allergic to bad habits.Drink lots of fresh filtered water.Basically loosen up all healing starts within probably cramped parents, clutter, constricted, dependant, confined and over insured or under insured.Most important say i am the king i am doing this my way i leave all this behind in ashes ashes ashes.Don’t worry about keeping like the mommy daddy use your stubbornness to say its over it’s not coming back then like a cook in a fast paced coffeehouse move . That is-This is personal hygenie is the ticket move go.They shuffle you in, you assume, they dont know your in a $$$ world all smile’s take your bread. It’s over never go back i am so surprise you kept em that long. I put up with it also the ol ice cream trick. I said mom that guys like that freak dentist if you even do that i am gone age 8 Sept.12th-14th and i was gone no doubt about it never happpened.These freaks had i still remember the food charts like the new foodcharts or that butt ugly nurse with the vacine wipe off on the arm. I interragated that quack i had that line in a uproar. Some girl said on the underside bitch the administration came. My little friend bulldozered the new building over the weekend, totaled it. It don’t do no good they are lost. Age 9 huh your in around here.He was a treated as a god.She had a job to do her excuse he had a job to do.Umpteen years later the underside.Or the time i ripped off the arrowheads and buried them under the tree no repect for that kind age 7.Indians loved me my parents loved me and L.A. public schools got rid of me.I never told em where i put em.General Crookes greatgrandchild show me an arrowhead and lie.My greatest moment a filthy lying bitch asking us what they might be used for, a tongue so sweet a mind so doomed.She had rocks in her head quote dear ol dad.My friend or whatever you are you are reading the finest life one could ever have a tiny ant that conquered the world and yoga is the ticket.No clowning around wise-up.This wonderous place few ever find and so much more not taught but lived. G-Night

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Any one using UA Corporate Accounting?

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Does anyone have any experience with a business software package called UA Accounting? Why / why dont you like it? Any problems with support? Thanks in advance for your replies…

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Does anyone have any experience with a business software package called UA Accounting? Why / why dont you like it? Any problems with support?

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Forefront by Dexter+Chaney

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Our company is currently evaluating the Forefront package. We are in a specialized contracting business similar to ec. Anyone have experience with this system? Input would be appreciated

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Hi John, I was trained by Dexter+Chaney, what would you like to know? It is a full featured accounting/costing/reporting package. The up and running time depends on what your budget is for training. It is capable of great detail and can be very useful. Let me know if I can answer any specific questions. Take Care, Robert Our company is currently evaluating the Forefront package. We are in a specialized contracting business similar to ec. Anyone have experience with this system? Input would be appreciated

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