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HI, Kind of the same old same old with me, but it helps for me to just write out whats going on once in a while… I’m Kinda freaking out because I have tax issues to get taken care of, (taxes that need to get filed personal, and old business) for the past 3 years now. They are complex. I need the help of a accountant or cpa, and I don’t have the money to do them. So I am freaking out a bit on this. I get 1, 2, 3 medical bills a day for co-pays, deductiables, and co-pays that the insurance doesnt or didnt cover. I can’t even see my chiropractor anymore because I own him a couple hundred bucks. Even when I get some income at some point, I don’t know if I’ll ever get caught up on all this crap. I still have not heard anything on my SSDI, despite there promise to get a descision to me multiple times now. I just called any left a message asking them to call me back and let me know what is going on. I was supose to get a decision in mid Novenber, then I was told late November, then I was told that It would be longer, then i was told to come in to a private doctor for testing, I did, that was mid december, I was told I would hear a couple weeks after that. I didn’t Only thing I can think of that might have slowed it down again is that I called very early jan, like the 2nd or 3rd or somewhere around there and told them about my fibro diagnosis. So perhaps that slowed it down… Its getting close to the end of January here, and nothing but more bills and nothing from ssdi…. ,,,,,,,,,, Still waiting on a respons for my application for medical assistance. I was told that is going to take longer as well. No Money, and all the related problems that brings. My parrents and friends are quickly running out of money to help me with things anymore. I called for energy asistance, but I can’t get in till the middle of next month. My monthly expenses (Including insurance, deductiable and co-pays, which I am not even able to pay many of right now), with the house Line of credit that I can get refinanced due to no incomme / bankruptcy last year are around $2300, just for lil ol me. I really hate to think about moving, cause of all the stress that would be and I think it would make me too fucking depressed, I know it would. I’ve tried so hard to make this house nice for myself, I would hate to leave. +++ If I leave the way the market is, I would not be able to see the house for anywhere near what it is morgaged out to. It is morgaged to 110,000, and I would be luck if it sold for like 95-100 in this market, – realtors fees of like $6,000 on that, I would get like 89-96 ish, putting me in the hole like $14,000 to $21,000. So that means the bank would not even let me sell it, so I would have to just not pay for it, let it get foreclosed upon,etc… So getting rid of the house i really a last resort. Plus if it gets foreclosed upon, you know there not gonna sell it for a good price, and u know there gonna try and get the balance from me. Since I filed bankruptcy last year, cant file again, so I would have another big chunk of change that I owe either way!!! I cant think of anythink else to reduce the bills, I already have shaved down about everything I can, except getting rid of the internet, and I cant really see that as a good option to save $35 a month…. I am finally feeling like I’m making some progress on the Fibro and stuff with this new Rheumy I’m seeing. I’m really optimistic, and some of the treatment is really helping. However, I feel StuCK, because, For example, I can’t see the chiro anymore, and I am supose to do that, (and my back is in pain), but I can’t cause I owe him too much money. Same story on my allgery Shots I’m supose to get, and thoes have been helping as well… On the flip side of that, Im still not thinking I am ready to jump back into any type of regular work. I am thinking I’d either have to try something really part time or try something self-employeed. Problem is I still get overwhelmed really easily… I’m pretty sure that Anxeity summs up how I feel a lot of the time, even though I do a lot better with anxeity now than I did in the past. Biggest thing that SUCKS here with benefits and assistance from the state and county is that if I work I risk losing benefits,,, If I can work, no Biggie, if I try to work, handle something for like 6 weeks or what not, and then cant handle it, then I have to re-apply for all the benefits again!!! So I am not confidant yet that I can do anything that permenatly,, so I don’t think I can risk losing my benefits (or I should say the prospect of benefits from ssdi at this point) the only benefit I am getting is a whopping $152 a month is food stamps. I decided that I really wanted to try and get more active with doing some stuff again, so I am tryin some volunteer work. I helped out at a local community center for the developmentally disabled for 4 hours today. Went well, and they appricated the help. I just have too many days that are UP and then down for a few days with energy, anxeity, PaIN to be able to be relyed upon to do something as consistant as a regular JoB. I wish I could think of some other options. But to me it looks like, work real job = make $$ = lose benefits and prospect of benefits = anxeity & strees & pain = need to limit work = less money = need to re-apply for benefits and wait 6 months to see if it is approved again. Nice hun?? Self-employed sounds more flexiable, but from past experiance, it is often very stressful! In terms of self-employment, I looked at doing some freelance photography work, but I need new & more equiptment. This will cost me a minium of about $2,000 to do anything at all serious. I also wanted to look at selling some photos, but to get stuff framed up and looking nice, I need a good chunk of change there also. It’s all causing Major Anxeity, and all that combined with the recent problems with relationships, I feel totally overwhelmed. I gets hard to feel like its worth it to keep strugling… Sucks Doesnt It??? Well that pretty much all the main stuff, I could go on and on with the little shit that bother the hell out of me, but I won’t do that right now… Any Suggestions are welcome… Feeling Anxious, Sad, Lonely, etc… Jamie
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HI, I got up to barnes and noble yesterday, and I could not find, "Stand Up to the IRS." So I am going to have to order it from online. Also, as you may have saw in my message from yesterday, It looks like the disability may be going through… So if it does all go though, then I will have some more resources to deal with this… Thanks again, Jamie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now that you say this, I know it had to be a S corp because we wanted it setup so we could take profit / loss onto our personall taxes. I know there was something that the lawerys did for the irs and such, but I don’t know if it ever was sent in or anything about it. You can call the IRS and inquire as to the status of the Corporation. There’s no harm in asking them to send you a copy of the verification letter. I still have my copy when I started my Corp in 2002. I don’t see a need to get a hold of the lawyers since the IRS should have a record that they sent you a verification letter. Did you use ledgers, a Dome Book, or a software program? You need All records of the first 6-7 months of business were lost. Hmmmm….. Without backup discs there is nothing to be done here. I know we had K-1’s if that means anything? or we were supose to, but they never got done. K-1’s are easy to do provided there are no "passive shareholders" and (IOW) every shareholder participated in the business. Each shareholder gets a K-1 by January 31, listing his or her share of the company profits for the year, regardless of whether or not they received any of the profits in the form of distributions. They then take the K-1 information of THEIR share of the profits (distributed or not), and transfer that to the 1040, line 17, and also attach a Schedule E where they can list profits and even expenses the company never paid them for (unreimbursed expenses). The 1040 should include a Schedule E, but the K-1 is not necessary–it is for the shareholder’s information only. Your federal 1120S Corporate Income Tax form is only for informational purposes. You include a copy of every K-1given to all shareholders. I sometimes forgot to do this; the IRS reminded me with a letter all the time. If it is really a C-corp, then do I sitll have any libility as far as you know or is the company just dead and I don’t even have to do anything else about the corporation?? The C Corp is alive and well until you send the "Final" return to them and declare a closing. Same with the S-Corp. You can call the IRS and check this out, but first, I would inquire as to the status. My X…has no records. Most everything was either lost in the software carsh or never created…. Here’s where I would be thinking in terms of closing and and taking it from there. What would the offer in compermise mean? As you know from my first post, I have no money, and from what I can tell, I don’t see why I would owe any money with all the losses… There are ways to sort of get around that. A good book to get is "Stand Up to the IRS." It’s sounds like a nasty title, but it clearly explains the little "nuances" you can use to get yourself as much as possible off the hook. The key is this: Federal Tax Court. The IRS will do anything to avoid Tax Court because they do not control it. You have a lor of cards and lately I have noticed that the IRS has become a lot friendlier these last few years. There are also tax abeyances and even elimination of tax debt under special circumstances that the book explains. I would look into the book because it is written by a tax lawyer and easy to understand. Now I am sure you can see why this whole thing is such a freaking mess!!! and why I am so confused and anxious about what to do…. Well, I am confused about my anxiety and depression. So we sort of are in the same boat. Lots of people here are. To sum up, I would recommend: 1) Inquire as to status. Ask for copy of verification letter. 2) Get whatever records you can get–bank transaction slips, any disks if at all, any record of anything at all. 3) Get the book. 4) Take it from there. The book may guide you. With the info in it, you can prepare yourself gradually and patiently to put this once and for all behind you. It will take time, but each new step you take will begin to ease the anxiety. You will have to close the Corp eventually; same with the state. You may have to do some "estimated" returns, etc.; but I think I would read the book first to get you started. Your local library may have it. But personally, I think these four steps should get you started on the road.
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I’m Kinda freaking out because I have tax issues to get taken care of, (taxes that need to get filed personal, and old business) for the past 3 years now. They are complex. did you file personal or corporate bankruptcy? did you file chapter 7 or 13?
7 personal generally, if bankruptcy is filed, the taxes are assessed within days of the corporate dissolution, taxes generally assessed and obligated to shareholers. what type of corporation did you have?
Since there was not the conformation from the irs, we think it was a s corp and it never actualy became a C -copr and generally, the IRS doesn’t fuck with bankruptcy court. what kinda business did you have an were you incorporated and if so, why type of corporation? if yer business went ker-plunk after 3 years, are ya tellin’ me that ya profited wildly and took a sudden fall at tha end of this term? was it a cash business?
no cash really. almost none, commercial printing. I tok maybe 20,000 ish in pay roll the whole time we were open. I have not done anything at all with the corporation, it is just sitting there, not doing anything. no taxes, no bankruptcy, etc… I need the help of a accountant or cpa, and I don’t have the money to do them. no ya don’t, bankruptcy court decides these matters. it’s cut’n dried. again… personal or corporate bankruptcy? chapter 7 or 13? what type of corporation?
7 personal.. didnt do anything at all directly with the corporation… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PLEASE respond to the above 3 questions. So I am freaking out a bit on this. I get 1, 2, 3 medical bills a day for co-pays, deductiables, and co-pays that the insurance doesnt or didnt cover. I can’t even see my chiropractor anymore because I own him a couple hundred bucks. maybe ya oughta sans yer addiction ta medical treatment (especially a fuckin’ chiro, fer chrissake)… good god, Jamie.. you can definitely live without THAT treatment Even when I get some income at some point, I don’t know if I’ll ever get caught up on all this crap. were your taxes assessed subsequent to bankruptcy? if so, there’s ultra-leverage within this arena following bankruptcy. .
I have not had any taxes assesed at all really that I know of. I was never notified that I owe anything. I just never filed anything. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if you had no corporation, i assume you were in a "cash based" business, and reported only the minimum dollar amount required to stay just a weeeeeeee bit uner the bottom level tax bracket, thus being required to pay zilch fer taxes. I still have not heard anything on my SSDI, despite there promise to get a descision to me multiple times now. I just called any left a message asking them to call me back and let me know what is going on. I was supose to get a decision in mid Novenber, then I was told late November, then I was told that It would be longer, then i was told to come in to a private doctor for testing, I did, that was mid december, I was told I would hear a couple weeks after that. never heard of Disabilty givin’ a time line… a span, yes, usually 6-8 months from the date of filing.
The first thing I got said within 93 days. But anyway, it looks like it is getting approved soon. I hope… I didn’t Only thing I can think of that might have slowed it down again is that I called very early jan, like the 2nd or 3rd or somewhere around there and told them about my fibro diagnosis. So perhaps that slowed it down… which would require either re-filing or amending. did either one of those two things happen?
I think they ammended it.. They told me to call them durring the whole process anytime that I have new medical info…. were you seen by a state-ordered specialist regarding this condition?
yep. Its getting close to the end of January here, and nothing but more bills and nothing from ssdi…. ,,,,,,,,,, Still waiting on a respons for my application for medical assistance. I was told that is going to take longer as well. it’s government red tape…. you SUREly knew this wasn’t a quick fix kinda deal, didn’t ya? yer case worker tells ya that. and under NO circumstances do those people give’ah 2 or so week timeline… that’s just not tha way tha system works in tha g’ment ass-coverin’ arena of life.
Yea, I knew it wasnt quick,, but that still didnt give me any solution as to how to live… with the house Line of credit that I can get refinanced due to no incomme / bankruptcy last year are around $2300, just for lil ol me. a refi after bankruptcy? unless you filed homestead exemption, (not the over 65 exemption) you can’t get financed, refinanced, or a loan ta pay for yer bicycle. homestead exemption is not available unless you have been approved for disability, so how’s this workin’ out? i mean…. am i missin’ something here?
I filed under wisconsin law not federal bankruptcy law, many states allow you to file under state bankruptcy laws and not under federal. In wi, as long as you have atmost 20% equity in your home, it is fully exempt from chaper 7. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really hate to think about moving, cause of all the stress that would be and I think it would make me too fucking depressed, I know it would. I’ve tried so hard to make this house nice for myself, I would hate to leave. +++ If I leave the way the market is, I would not be able to see the house for anywhere near what it is morgaged out to. It is morgaged to 110,000, and I would be luck if it sold for like 95-100 in this market, your home DEcreased in value? impossible. appraisals are done via the internet and raised 15% automatically, and lenders use their own appraisers, free of charge that work in their favor to get loan
Back when i refininced several years ago, I had to pay like $300 to the credit union to have some apprisor come out and measure, and look over the whole house. He came back with like a 112,000 apprisal. I paid like 79,995 for the house. The houses in the area are all selling for like 90-95 at best. approval… you have no credit score, so i don’t know how yer doin it, as you haven’t been approved for disability, have no access to homestead exemption and have’ah bankruptcy hangin’ over yer head. and no equity, since your house decreased in value.. (now THAT’s a first).
The whole realestate market appears to really be in the hole in the area… today’s market dictates some hefty interest rates, and lenders goin tha extra mile ta roll these fees into a refi…. but for tha life’ah me i don’t see how you’re rationalizin’ what you’re sayin’ here. please splain.
All the refining that was done thus far was prior to bankruptcy. Have not been able to do anything after bankruptcy… – realtors fees of like $6,000 on that, I would get like 89-96 ish, putting me in the hole like $14,000 to $21,000. So that means the bank would not even let me sell it, you could sell it all day long if yer willing to pay the difference between your loan payoff and your selling price including fees…. but that is soooo "out there" in my book.
Yea, I know, but I dont have the $$$ to do that, and it just seems nuts to have to pay… you bought your house HOW much above appraisal value? there’s a
It was appriased at like $84,900 or something like that when i bought it and i got it for like $79,99g legality that dictates the lender to work within the appraisal value. family dwellings don’t decrease in value, that’s absured. you’re makin’ little ta no sense… so what’am i missin’ here?
Well in terms of what I see people actually paying for homes up and down my street, I know that the best homes are only getting like 95 or so… So i guess yes, it has decressed in value from what that appriser said a couple years ago… so I would have to just not pay for it, let it get foreclosed upon,etc… ya filed bankruptcy, what’s a foreclosure gonna hurt? ya seem ta have access to funds i’ve never heard of with a bankruptcy, i’m sure a foreclosure ain’t gonna hurt ya, yer not workin’ with’ah credit score here.
Yea, but the bankruptcy is done, gone overwith. So if I stop paying now on the house, they will sure me, and they will collect all the legal fees, etc. from me if they ever can in the fiture…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So getting rid of the house i really a last resort. Plus if it gets foreclosed upon, you know there not gonna sell it for a good price, and u know there gonna try and get the balance from me. there’s many alternatives to foreclosure, look at this link: http://www.hud.gov/foreclosure/index.cfm Since I filed bankruptcy last year, cant file again, so I would have another big chunk of change that I owe either way!!! I cant think of anythink else to reduce the bills, I already have shaved down about everything I can, except getting rid of the internet, and I cant really see that as a good option to save $35 a month…. you need ta work with a good lender, i’m working with one now if you want her name’n phone #. it doesn’t matter where y’are in tha country, she’ll get’er’dun. lemme know.
Thanks, yea, please do. I think it is worth talking to them, esp since it looks like my disability will be approved soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am finally feeling like I’m making some progress on the Fibro and stuff with this new Rheumy I’m seeing. I’m really optimistic, and some of the treatment is really helping. However, I feel StuCK, because, For example, I can’t see the chiro anymore, and I am supose to do that, (and my back is in pain), but I can’t cause I owe him too much money. Same story on my allgery Shots I’m supose to get, and thoes have been helping as well… prioritze! On the flip
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my subchapter S…never filed as an employee, but independent, even in officer status… and i somehow managed ta make no money for 15 years… i dunno how that worked, but it did….
There are accountants who help folks declare themselves "volunteers" to the Corporation and never pay themselves a salary, and instead write themselves distributions but no salary. If they do this, then they pay Federal Income Tax on the distributions but no Social Security tax. This is unacceptable to the IRS, and often distributions are re-declared by them to be taxable salaries. This is an automatic audit red flag–distributions only but no salary. Personally we pay ourselves a "reasonable salary," which is defined by what a contractor in our area would make and the gross for the year, and the rest we distribute or just keep in the corporate account for growth. In this way an S Corporation is far more advantageus than a Schedule C self-employed person, who pays self-employment tax on every profit he makes. We don’t have to do that. Eventually the IRS would expect you to pay yourself a salary and soon. They repeatedly have ruled that an Officer would expect to get paid a salary. Some folks get lucky, but I prefer to get it right from the get-go–reasonable salary plus distributions. There are no requirements as to when to distribute (and if to distribute at all). However, we are starting to distribute in regular quarterly periods similar to a C Corp. It just looks better that way, but it is not required that distributions are done regularly.
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Jamie ! good LORD… ya got’ah hook up ! don’t let Marie get out’ah yer sight, fer chrissake ! maybe you could employ her to do yer taxes and work a payment agreement, or SUMthin… but why you lettin’ an opportunity slip by ya accountant or at least she is well versed in what you need, MAKE HER AN my theory? what’s tha worse that can happen? right. Marie can say "no". dammit, Jamie ! don’t make me come ovah theah and steal yer television. and dvds. ~tanya
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my subchapter S…never filed as an employee, but independent, even in officer status… and i somehow managed ta make no money for 15 years… i dunno how that worked, but it did…. There are accountants who help folks declare themselves "volunteers" to the Corporation and never pay themselves a salary, and instead write themselves distributions but no salary. If they do this, then they pay Federal Income Tax on the distributions but no Social Security tax. This is unacceptable to the IRS, and often distributions are re-declared by them to be taxable salaries. This is an automatic audit red flag–distributions only but no salary.
my business was purely commission based, and i performed procedures without taking a commission, i gave it to the artist i was taking the procedure from, i just WANTED to pierce, so i did, but never took payment for anything. there were no salaries paid, and i THINK i filed as some sorta "absentee" sumthin, but it was legit… and since my corporation was me, (which sucked, cuz my personal credit was attached for at least awhile, i don’t really remember, i never got involved, my manager took care of that stuff b’cause i’m lame and can’t write’ah check or i flip out, he signed all checks, etc.) so my corporation paid 2 sets of taxes, i think one had "retail" tax involved, i had a wholesale #. so nobody was actually "paid" thru the corporation, they actually paid the corporation. somehow it worked, i ain’t gotta clue how, but i never had to personally pay my own money for taxes, that i know. when i say i OWN tha businesses, i MEAN it… i never RAN them, people get that confused a lot, i was’ah master delegater, cuz i have no business sense. i can only do what i’m good at and that’s not anywhere near this kinda stuff……. but…… my house was broken into and all my records, release forms, daily, weekly, monthly reports were taken, in the 8th year of business, and i DO remember my manager "cookin books", but under the advise of the IRS, cuz i had to talk to them personally then, they wouldn’t talk to him…. and it was basically determining the shop profits as we averaged them out over i think a 3 or 4 year period, averaging the profits and increasing by that number, it was an "estimation" done per the IRS, and that worked, i guess…. maybe Jamie could do sumthin’ like that. it’s a wonder i had successful businesses, and it’s NO wonder i have been up and down 3 times and workin’ on my fourth, eh? some people are floored that i never knew ONE THING about my business, and still succeeded, i think it was dumb luck and i’m doin’ it agin. SHOOT ME ! (even tho my lack’ah business sense never took me down, it was other factors)…. i don’t recommend it, but it werkt fer meeeeee.. LOLOL ! now that y’all are talkin’ bout this, i’m pullin’ out my disks and i’m lookin’ at this stuff. i wonder can i even get tha disk in that hole and make it come up !… i rarely get stuff ta come up on disk, but i’m gonna, dammit…. y’all got me curious. Personally we pay ourselves a "reasonable salary," which is defined by what a contractor in our area would make and the gross for the year, and the rest we distribute or just keep in the corporate account for growth. In this way an S Corporation is far more advantageus than a Schedule C self-employed person, who pays self-employment tax on every profit he makes. We don’t have to do that. Eventually the IRS would expect you to pay yourself a salary and soon. They repeatedly have ruled that an Officer would expect to get paid a salary. Some folks get lucky, but I prefer to get it right from the get-go–reasonable salary plus distributions.
i was never required to pay myself a salary, and they worked closely with the IRS during my "icky" time, i have no clue what the deal was, but my boyfriend just pulled out all my disks… and i’m'ah lookin. There are no requirements as to when to distribute (and if to distribute at all). However, we are starting to distribute in regular quarterly periods similar to a C Corp. It just looks better that way, but it is not required that distributions are done regularly.
is it possible that ANYbody is as dumb as me when it comes ta purveying their own businesses? i was fortunate enough to have a manager for 16 years that quit his law practice to do this, my best friend, i trusted him, but i don’t have that this time around, i’m still countin’ on him ta get me "as much in tha know" as possible, but now i’ll be dealing with non profit and not for profit stuff and i’m like… "HUH?" i sho nuff got my business plans intact tho, tha easy stuff i can do. my advertising’s in place, my advertisers for my magazine, the businesses within the business are ready ta rock, everything’s in line ta be up ta code, i got tha media scheduled, but i can’t read a paragraph. sumthin’s definitely wrong in my world. and right ! ~tanya, CPA and corporate tax attorney for 7 zillion multi-million dollah corp. in a town near YOU… extraordinaire… (and genius, ta boot.) lalalalala
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If you were a Subchapter S Corp, then you have the 1120S and the K-1’s. To the 1040 you add the Schedule E with the K-1 info.
my subchapter S was attached to my personal finances. it wasn’t much (or any, in fact) protection of my personal assets til i reached some sorta fork in tha road (i dunno what it was, ask my accountant… i sure don’t talk to him, i don’t understand what he’s talkin’ about) that relieved my personal attachment. i also had independent contractors that seemed to work well in that corporate structure, and never filed as an employee, but independent, even in officer status… and i somehow managed ta make no money for 15 years… i dunno how that worked, but it did, and i might be statin’ sum stuff that’s totally off base, i dunno. but if Jamie starts a Sub S corp, can he do so with a bankruptcy? *If you need help, please e mail me*. I do my Subchapter S corporate taxes just because it’s fun and very easy.
manohmanohman, tha stuff some people find "easy" makes me SICK ! i feel soooooooooooooooooo dumb…. i’m thinkin’ you should give me’n some other folks a "smartenin’ up class"…. do an e-book… hell, i’d buy it in’ah new york SECOND ! i can understand it when i read about it online but once my own stuff’s put in tha mix? …. i’m done. stick’ah fork in me. it becomes more complicated than mixin’ muh hair dye and that’s not good. is that normal for people ta freak when it’s their own shit as opposed to tha "general terms" that seem so simplistic when the terms don’t involve them in financial arenas? (please say yes.) LOL ~tanya
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HI, I’m Kinda freaking out because I have tax issues to get taken care of, (taxes that need to get filed personal, and old business) for the past 3 years now. They are complex.
did you file personal or corporate bankruptcy? did you file chapter 7 or 13? generally, if bankruptcy is filed, the taxes are assessed within days of the corporate dissolution, taxes generally assessed and obligated to shareholers. what type of corporation did you have? and generally, the IRS doesn’t fuck with bankruptcy court. what kinda business did you have an were you incorporated and if so, why type of corporation? if yer business went ker-plunk after 3 years, are ya tellin’ me that ya profited wildly and took a sudden fall at tha end of this term? was it a cash business? I need the help of a accountant or cpa, and I don’t have the money to do them.
no ya don’t, bankruptcy court decides these matters. it’s cut’n dried. again… personal or corporate bankruptcy? chapter 7 or 13? what type of corporation? PLEASE respond to the above 3 questions. So I am freaking out a bit on this. I get 1, 2, 3 medical bills a day for co-pays, deductiables, and co-pays that the insurance doesnt or didnt cover. I can’t even see my chiropractor anymore because I own him a couple hundred bucks.
maybe ya oughta sans yer addiction ta medical treatment (especially a fuckin’ chiro, fer chrissake)… good god, Jamie.. you can definitely live without THAT treatment Even when I get some income at some point, I don’t know if I’ll ever get caught up on all this crap.
were your taxes assessed subsequent to bankruptcy? if so, there’s ultra-leverage within this arena following bankruptcy. . if you had no corporation, i assume you were in a "cash based" business, and reported only the minimum dollar amount required to stay just a weeeeeeee bit uner the bottom level tax bracket, thus being required to pay zilch fer taxes. I still have not heard anything on my SSDI, despite there promise to get a descision to me multiple times now. I just called any left a message asking them to call me back and let me know what is going on. I was supose to get a decision in mid Novenber, then I was told late November, then I was told that It would be longer, then i was told to come in to a private doctor for testing, I did, that was mid december, I was told I would hear a couple weeks after that.
never heard of Disabilty givin’ a time line… a span, yes, usually 6-8 months from the date of filing. I didn’t Only thing I can think of that might have slowed it down again is that I called very early jan, like the 2nd or 3rd or somewhere around there and told them about my fibro diagnosis. So perhaps that slowed it down…
which would require either re-filing or amending. did either one of those two things happen? were you seen by a state-ordered specialist regarding this condition? Its getting close to the end of January here, and nothing but more bills and nothing from ssdi…. ,,,,,,,,,, Still waiting on a respons for my application for medical assistance. I was told that is going to take longer as well.
it’s government red tape…. you SUREly knew this wasn’t a quick fix kinda deal, didn’t ya? yer case worker tells ya that. and under NO circumstances do those people give’ah 2 or so week timeline… that’s just not tha way tha system works in tha g’ment ass-coverin’ arena of life. with the house Line of credit that I can get refinanced due to no incomme / bankruptcy last year are around $2300, just for lil ol me.
a refi after bankruptcy? unless you filed homestead exemption, (not the over 65 exemption) you can’t get financed, refinanced, or a loan ta pay for yer bicycle. homestead exemption is not available unless you have been approved for disability, so how’s this workin’ out? i mean…. am i missin’ something here? I really hate to think about moving, cause of all the stress that would be and I think it would make me too fucking depressed, I know it would. I’ve tried so hard to make this house nice for myself, I would hate to leave. +++ If I leave the way the market is, I would not be able to see the house for anywhere near what it is morgaged out to. It is morgaged to 110,000, and I would be luck if it sold for like 95-100 in this market,
your home DEcreased in value? impossible. appraisals are done via the internet and raised 15% automatically, and lenders use their own appraisers, free of charge that work in their favor to get loan approval… you have no credit score, so i don’t know how yer doin it, as you haven’t been approved for disability, have no access to homestead exemption and have’ah bankruptcy hangin’ over yer head. and no equity, since your house decreased in value.. (now THAT’s a first). today’s market dictates some hefty interest rates, and lenders goin tha extra mile ta roll these fees into a refi…. but for tha life’ah me i don’t see how you’re rationalizin’ what you’re sayin’ here. please splain. – realtors fees of like $6,000 on that, I would get like 89-96 ish, putting me in the hole like $14,000 to $21,000. So that means the bank would not even let me sell it,
you could sell it all day long if yer willing to pay the difference between your loan payoff and your selling price including fees…. but that is soooo "out there" in my book. you bought your house HOW much above appraisal value? there’s a legality that dictates the lender to work within the appraisal value. family dwellings don’t decrease in value, that’s absured. you’re makin’ little ta no sense… so what’am i missin’ here? so I would have to just not pay for it, let it get foreclosed upon,etc…
ya filed bankruptcy, what’s a foreclosure gonna hurt? ya seem ta have access to funds i’ve never heard of with a bankruptcy, i’m sure a foreclosure ain’t gonna hurt ya, yer not workin’ with’ah credit score here. So getting rid of the house i really a last resort. Plus if it gets foreclosed upon, you know there not gonna sell it for a good price, and u know there gonna try and get the balance from me.
there’s many alternatives to foreclosure, look at this link: http://www.hud.gov/foreclosure/index.cfm Since I filed bankruptcy last year, cant file again, so I would have another big chunk of change that I owe either way!!! I cant think of anythink else to reduce the bills, I already have shaved down about everything I can, except getting rid of the internet, and I cant really see that as a good option to save $35 a month….
you need ta work with a good lender, i’m working with one now if you want her name’n phone #. it doesn’t matter where y’are in tha country, she’ll get’er’dun. lemme know. I am finally feeling like I’m making some progress on the Fibro and stuff with this new Rheumy I’m seeing. I’m really optimistic, and some of the treatment is really helping. However, I feel StuCK, because, For example, I can’t see the chiro anymore, and I am supose to do that, (and my back is in pain), but I can’t cause I owe him too much money. Same story on my allgery Shots I’m supose to get, and thoes have been helping as well…
prioritze! On the flip side of that, Im still not thinking I am ready to jump back into any type of regular work. I am thinking I’d either have to try something really part time or try something self-employeed. Problem is I still get overwhelmed really easily… I’m pretty sure that Anxeity summs up how I feel a lot of the time, even though I do a lot better with anxeity now than I did in the past. Biggest thing that SUCKS here with benefits and assistance from the state and county is that if I work I risk losing benefits,,, If I can work, no Biggie, if I try to work, handle something for like 6 weeks or what not, and then cant handle it, then I have to re-apply for all the benefits again!!! So I am not confidant yet that I can do anything that permenatly,, so I don’t think I can risk losing my benefits (or I should say the prospect of benefits from ssdi at this point) the only benefit I am getting is a whopping $152 a month is food stamps.
Jamie? talk to a financial advisor. if he/she can work with you, suggest (or they will) a contingency arrangement. I decided that I really wanted to try and get more active with doing some stuff again, so I am tryin some volunteer work. I helped out at a local community center for the developmentally disabled for 4 hours today
VOLUNTEEEEEER? DUDE ! IF YOU CAN VOLUNTEER, YOU CAN WORK FOR THA ALMIGHTY DOLLAR ! (omg….. no he did NOT just say that.) Went well, and they appricated the help.
well who don’t like free labor? (lord.) ::shakin head:: I just have too many days that are UP and then down for a few days with energy, anxeity, PaIN to be able to be relyed upon to do something as consistant as a regular JoB. I wish I could think of some other options. But to me it looks like, work real job = make $$ = lose benefits and prospect of benefits = anxeity & strees & pain = need to limit work = less money = need to re-apply for benefits and wait 6 months to see if it is approved again.
that is NOT the only option. you can work and get g’ment assistance, as well.. you can also provide thru yer corporation, should you choose yer own business, yer own benefit package…. they’re competitive as HELL right now for business owners, Stellar Network.com has a kick-ass him and ask about it. make your business non-profit or not-for-profit, there’s many advantages. Nice hun?? Self-employed sounds more – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – flexiable, but from past experiance, it is often very stressful! In terms of self-employment, I looked at doing some freelance photography work, but I need new & more equiptment. This will cost me a
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There’s a world of difference between a C and an S. With a C, the corporation pays corporate taxes, makes estimated payments, etc. With an S, there is no corporate tax on the fed level, but there may be in your state (not in Florida). The profits are federally taxed at the shareholder level, whether or not they were ever distributed. The first thing you need to do is to grab WHATEVER you have and 1) Find out what the corporate status was. You need authorization from the IRS to file as Subchapter S. If you never did this, then you are automatically a C.
Now that you say this, I know it had to be a S corp because we wanted it setup so we could take profit / loss onto our personall taxes. I know there was something that the lawerys did for the irs and such, but I don’t know if it ever was sent in or anything about it. My guess would be to say it didnt get sent in, but I cant be sure. I don’t know at all how to tell. I would ask the lawyers, but my old company owes them about $3,000 and they are going to be less than useless now…. That’s the *first step.* We can’t go further than from here.
Is there any way to verify this with the IRS? company at all other than bank statements. Did you use ledgers, a Dome Book, or a software program? You need
A software program we used for like from sept till april or so, then we pretty much stoped doing much, we tried toget stuff into quick books, but my X never really got anything in there other than some bills for clients. The origonal software program crashed and the backups failed. All records of the first 6-7 months of business were lost. I know we had K-1’s if that means anything? or we were supose to, but they never got done. records of gross income and expenses. You need to have IRS authorization papers that accepted your request for S status. Has your
I am 90% sure that we never got this. I never saw it, and I am pretty sure I would have come across this at some point if it had come. If it is really a C-corp, then do I sitll have any libility as far as you know or is the company just dead and I don’t even have to do anything else about the corporation?? When I got paid, I got a check that we took taxes and stuff out like a normal employee…. X filed? Does she have the records?
My X was just engaged to me, so she just F’ed everything up and has no direct responsibility for any of it. No She has no records. Most everything was Either lost in the software carsh or never created (I didn;t really know how bad she was doing at the record keeping untill things were going down hill towards the summer and I was getting too sick and too out of money to do shit about it. I always though that it I was able to turn things around I would be able to pay an accountant / lawyer to get crap strightened out.). Well, the 1040s are no big deal. It’s the corporate info (probably also in your state) that you need to find, especially since all the corporate info gets translated to the personal returns in terms of dividends (C) or distributions (S). I recommend that you find *whatever* paperwork you have and then go to the IRS and state income tax department and take it from there. However, without records, all I can see is an Offer in Compromise. Just my humble opinion.
What would the offer in compermise mean? As you know from my first post, I have no money, and from what I can tell, I don’t see why I would owe any money with all the losses… Now I am sure you can see why this whole thing is such a freaking mess!!! and why I am so confused and anxious about what to do…. Jamie
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Now that you say this, I know it had to be a S corp because we wanted it setup so we could take profit / loss onto our personall taxes. I know there was something that the lawerys did for the irs and such, but I don’t know if it ever was sent in or anything about it.
You can call the IRS and inquire as to the status of the Corporation. There’s no harm in asking them to send you a copy of the verification letter. I still have my copy when I started my Corp in 2002. I don’t see a need to get a hold of the lawyers since the IRS should have a record that they sent you a verification letter. Did you use ledgers, a Dome Book, or a software program? You need All records of the first 6-7 months of business were lost.
Hmmmm….. Without backup discs there is nothing to be done here. I know we had K-1’s if that means anything? or we were supose to, but they never got done.
K-1’s are easy to do provided there are no "passive shareholders" and (IOW) every shareholder participated in the business. Each shareholder gets a K-1 by January 31, listing his or her share of the company profits for the year, regardless of whether or not they received any of the profits in the form of distributions. They then take the K-1 information of THEIR share of the profits (distributed or not), and transfer that to the 1040, line 17, and also attach a Schedule E where they can list profits and even expenses the company never paid them for (unreimbursed expenses). The 1040 should include a Schedule E, but the K-1 is not necessary–it is for the shareholder’s information only. Your federal 1120S Corporate Income Tax form is only for informational purposes. You include a copy of every K-1given to all shareholders. I sometimes forgot to do this; the IRS reminded me with a letter all the time. If it is really a C-corp, then do I sitll have any libility as far as you know or is the company just dead and I don’t even have to do anything else about the corporation??
The C Corp is alive and well until you send the "Final" return to them and declare a closing. Same with the S-Corp. You can call the IRS and check this out, but first, I would inquire as to the status. My X…has no records. Most everything was either lost in the software carsh or never created….
Here’s where I would be thinking in terms of closing and and taking it from there. What would the offer in compermise mean? As you know from my first post, I have no money, and from what I can tell, I don’t see why I would owe any money with all the losses…
There are ways to sort of get around that. A good book to get is "Stand Up to the IRS." It’s sounds like a nasty title, but it clearly explains the little "nuances" you can use to get yourself as much as possible off the hook. The key is this: Federal Tax Court. The IRS will do anything to avoid Tax Court because they do not control it. You have a lor of cards and lately I have noticed that the IRS has become a lot friendlier these last few years. There are also tax abeyances and even elimination of tax debt under special circumstances that the book explains. I would look into the book because it is written by a tax lawyer and easy to understand. Now I am sure you can see why this whole thing is such a freaking mess!!! and why I am so confused and anxious about what to do….
Well, I am confused about my anxiety and depression. So we sort of are in the same boat. Lots of people here are. To sum up, I would recommend: 1) Inquire as to status. Ask for copy of verification letter. 2) Get whatever records you can get–bank transaction slips, any disks if at all, any record of anything at all. 3) Get the book. 4) Take it from there. The book may guide you. With the info in it, you can prepare yourself gradually and patiently to put this once and for all behind you. It will take time, but each new step you take will begin to ease the anxiety. You will have to close the Corp eventually; same with the state. You may have to do some "estimated" returns, etc.; but I think I would read the book first to get you started. Your local library may have it. But personally, I think these four steps should get you started on the road.
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this is why I never formed a corporation. This is for normal people. I realize when I look around everyone is moving forward and slower . Me fast and not getting anywhere.But its better then an institution although , I wish my brain didn’t go where I should go if I had no business doing it to begin with.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now that you say this, I know it had to be a S corp because we wanted it setup so we could take profit / loss onto our personall taxes. I know there was something that the lawerys did for the irs and such, but I don’t know if it ever was sent in or anything about it. You can call the IRS and inquire as to the status of the Corporation. There’s no harm in asking them to send you a copy of the verification letter. I still have my copy when I started my Corp in 2002. I don’t see a need to get a hold of the lawyers since the IRS should have a record that they sent you a verification letter. Did you use ledgers, a Dome Book, or a software program? You need All records of the first 6-7 months of business were lost. Hmmmm….. Without backup discs there is nothing to be done here. I know we had K-1’s if that means anything? or we were supose to, but they never got done. K-1’s are easy to do provided there are no "passive shareholders" and (IOW) every shareholder participated in the business. Each shareholder gets a K-1 by January 31, listing his or her share of the company profits for the year, regardless of whether or not they received any of the profits in the form of distributions. They then take the K-1 information of THEIR share of the profits (distributed or not), and transfer that to the 1040, line 17, and also attach a Schedule E where they can list profits and even expenses the company never paid them for (unreimbursed expenses). The 1040 should include a Schedule E, but the K-1 is not necessary–it is for the shareholder’s information only. Your federal 1120S Corporate Income Tax form is only for informational purposes. You include a copy of every K-1given to all shareholders. I sometimes forgot to do this; the IRS reminded me with a letter all the time. If it is really a C-corp, then do I sitll have any libility as far as you know or is the company just dead and I don’t even have to do anything else about the corporation?? The C Corp is alive and well until you send the "Final" return to them and declare a closing. Same with the S-Corp. You can call the IRS and check this out, but first, I would inquire as to the status. My X…has no records. Most everything was either lost in the software carsh or never created…. Here’s where I would be thinking in terms of closing and and taking it from there. What would the offer in compermise mean? As you know from my first post, I have no money, and from what I can tell, I don’t see why I would owe any money with all the losses… There are ways to sort of get around that. A good book to get is "Stand Up to the IRS." It’s sounds like a nasty title, but it clearly explains the little "nuances" you can use to get yourself as much as possible off the hook. The key is this: Federal Tax Court. The IRS will do anything to avoid Tax Court because they do not control it. You have a lor of cards and lately I have noticed that the IRS has become a lot friendlier these last few years. There are also tax abeyances and even elimination of tax debt under special circumstances that the book explains. I would look into the book because it is written by a tax lawyer and easy to understand. Now I am sure you can see why this whole thing is such a freaking mess!!! and why I am so confused and anxious about what to do…. Well, I am confused about my anxiety and depression. So we sort of are in the same boat. Lots of people here are. To sum up, I would recommend: 1) Inquire as to status. Ask for copy of verification letter. 2) Get whatever records you can get–bank transaction slips, any disks if at all, any record of anything at all. 3) Get the book. 4) Take it from there. The book may guide you. With the info in it, you can prepare yourself gradually and patiently to put this once and for all behind you. It will take time, but each new step you take will begin to ease the anxiety. You will have to close the Corp eventually; same with the state. You may have to do some "estimated" returns, etc.; but I think I would read the book first to get you started. Your local library may have it. But personally, I think these four steps should get you started on the road.
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Correct. Have not filed. Well sort of. I had a wisconsin (C I think, maybe a S as your mention below…) Coporation. I started it in 2003, and had transactions in 2003 and 2004. I did not do taxes at all for this business, as by the time I was supose to file the first return ( sept 2004 I think) we were closing down due to my health problems.
There’s a world of difference between a C and an S. With a C, the corporation pays corporate taxes, makes estimated payments, etc. With an S, there is no corporate tax on the fed level, but there may be in your state (not in Florida). The profits are federally taxed at the shareholder level, whether or not they were ever distributed. The first thing you need to do is to grab WHATEVER you have and 1) Find out what the corporate status was. You need authorization from the IRS to file as Subchapter S. If you never did this, then you are automatically a C. That’s the *first step.* We can’t go further than from here. Yes. It’s mainly that I have no clue on the corporate taxes, and on top of that my X did the book keeping for the company, and it really is a freaking mess, it pretty much amount to not having any meaningful records for the company at all other than bank statements.
Did you use ledgers, a Dome Book, or a software program? You need records of gross income and expenses. You need to have IRS authorization papers that accepted your request for S status. Has your X filed? Does she have the records? So overall, this is what it looks like: No taxes filed for: Corporation 2003 (Compay that was started in 2003) Corporation 2004 (Compay that was started in 2003) (Also no final papers were sent to IRS) Personal 2003 Personal 2004 Personal 2004 (not due yet, I know, but I don’t know the old information like loses to put on this return)
Well, the 1040s are no big deal. It’s the corporate info (probably also in your state) that you need to find, especially since all the corporate info gets translated to the personal returns in terms of dividends (C) or distributions (S). I recommend that you find *whatever* paperwork you have and then go to the IRS and state income tax department and take it from there. However, without records, all I can see is an Offer in Compromise. Just my humble opinion.
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HI, Let’s take one thing at a time: Are you stating that you haven’t filed during the last three years, or
Correct. Have not filed. that you need to make amendments? Were you self-employed at that time?
Well sort of. I had a wisconsin (C I think, maybe a S as your mention below…) Coporation. I started it in 2003, and had transactions in 2003 and 2004. I did not do taxes at all for this business, as by the time I was supose to file the first return ( sept 2004 I think) we were closing down due to my health problems. Self-employment is a simple Schedule C which you attach to your 1040. It’s no big deal. Maybe you know all this perhaps. If you were a Subchapter S Corp, then you have the 1120S and the K-1’s.
Yes. It’s mainly that I have no clue on the corporate taxes, and on top of that my X did the book keeping for the company, and it really is a freaking mess, it pretty much amount to not having any meaningful records for the company at all other than bank statements. Any suggestions on how to approach the mess since I have so few records from the company?? Were talking about like $90,000 in sales total between sept 2003 and aug-sept 2004 when we closed. Were talking about $175,000 in loans put in, plus a good $50,000 – $75,000+ (deffinatly on the higher end of you include all the things I put on my personal credit cards, many of which where discharged in my personal bankruptcy, don’t know if that makes any difference or not.) of my money put into the business. So I figured there is no way I could owe taxes on it… To the 1040 you add the Schedule E with the K-1 info. *If you need help, please e mail me*. I do my Subchapter S corporate taxes just because it’s fun and very easy.
Thank You. I really appricate the advice. This is / has been a big concern for a long time now. So overall, this is what it looks like: No taxes filed for: Corporation 2003 (Compay that was started in 2003) Corporation 2004 (Compay that was started in 2003) (Also no final papers were sent to IRS) Personal 2003 Personal 2004 Personal 2004 (not due yet, I know, but I don’t know the old information like loses to put on this return) On top of this, I am unsure of any State / Federal / Sales Tax / other business taxes, that are owed / might be owed. I know there is a record on the wisconsin court records site for some tax that is owed, but it is in the corporations name, not my name, so I don’t know if I have to worry about it. Also, I did file bankruptcy, so I don’t want to worry about anything that I am exempt from due to bankruptcy or due to the fact that the company was a corporation (I know this might not protect me from anything, but I though I would mention it.). Thank you again, Jamie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe others can help you with the other stuff.
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I’m Kinda freaking out because I have tax issues to get taken care of, (taxes that need to get filed personal, and old business) for the past 3 years now. They are complex. I need the help of a accountant or cpa, and I don’t have the money to do them.
Let’s take one thing at a time: Are you stating that you haven’t filed during the last three years, or that you need to make amendments? Were you self-employed at that time? Self-employment is a simple Schedule C which you attach to your 1040. It’s no big deal. Maybe you know all this perhaps. If you were a Subchapter S Corp, then you have the 1120S and the K-1’s. To the 1040 you add the Schedule E with the K-1 info. *If you need help, please e mail me*. I do my Subchapter S corporate taxes just because it’s fun and very easy. Maybe others can help you with the other stuff.
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I’m not really comfortable discussing the distribution system, but I do have access to all the codes around the system.
What Mark is trying to say is that HE’S the keeper of the system, and the distribution method is that the codes are encrypted into messages that appear to be about airline travel matters and posted to RTC. 
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posted to RTC.
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I was at LAX last week. In the UA terminals there were guards sitting at card tables near some of the alarmed doors with signs saying "codes changed". I assume they would check the airline ID then give you the new code?
Due to a security breach at LAX, the code has been changed to match the code of another airport in the system. That’s a way to immediately change the code, while waiting for the paperwork to catch up with a new code. The guard may or may not tell crews the code; he or she would tell them to use the code for the other airport. And Anonymous, yes I agree with you. If I wasn’t going to talk about the code distribution system, I didn’t need to say that twice. –Mark Rogers
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I wasn’t asking for specific codes… Just the philosophy behind it. So basically all gates are controlled by the airport and not by airline ? No, the airline controls the codes, but they are different for each airport. Most codes are a numerical combination. There are exceptions, as KRC points out, where the code also requires some personal numbers, or requires a swipe badge or key. In the last two cases, we need an agent to let us down the jetway. Those are the exceptions rather than the rule, however. Are the codes given to pilots in the briefing room prior to a flight ? I assume airlines collect them from each airport authorities to distribute to their own pilots ? The codes are not given to pilots directly before the flight; the pilots already have access to the codes. I’m not really comfortable discussing the distribution system, but I do have access to all the codes around the system.
Geez, enough already. If you don’t want to discuss it, then don’t! You’ve said it twice already. Secretary of Defense: "Mr. President, we’ve had a serious breach of National Security. Mark Rogers has been discussing jetway codes in the newsgroups again. Shall we send in the troops?" POTUS: "Yes, annihilate the bastard."
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says… Geez, enough already. If you don’t want to discuss it, then don’t! You’ve said it twice already.
To a point, I agree. I’ll never doubt Mark’s dedication to integrity and responsibility. But it should fairly be pointed out that despite Mark’s best efforts, he ain’t gonna clean up this one horse town. Gate codes are a deterrent and by no means an absolute solution. At best, at some stations they merely allow an accounting of *who* had access as opposed to who gets in/out or doesn’t. A good case in point are several terminals at LAX: there are vendor employees who are privy to what may be considered "secret codes". With so much construction and terminal upgrading going on, there are often times three or more times the amount of staff engaging access be they airline station employees, domiciled employees of that particular station, city (department of airports) employees, constructions workers, etc. All they can really expect to do is keep track of *who* has already gained passage. And they ask that each individual pass his or her card/code. No more group of four and one uses their key for all four… Of course what they want and what they get are two different things. So while Mark is being responsible and has the right and obligation to maintain that, and proper security is utmost, it really should be known that in many respects it’s not a big deal behind it all. — Karl
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Leo, you psychotic f**k. Are you too retarded to realize that nobody here wants to hear your crap. Your mental problems are getting way too un-checked. You are not the only one who has people "figured out" and yet you still have to verbalize your rantings to try to justify how smart you THINK you are. I usually avoid getting involved in flames, rarely post at all (I, like most people are here to enjoy discussion about commercial aviation and trip reports), but you have been a waste of bandwidth too long. You should consider calling that 800 number in the phone book and get some help. And certainly stop clogging the discussion with your s**t. Sincerely, another Richard! (y’know, like the other people who don’t have to hide behind anonymous) *To the regulars, sorry for the off-topic, but I have a low tolerance for stupidity that doesn’t eventually evolve like humans have ;-} Rich~* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This thread reminds me of amusing scenes at Delhi (DEL) in recent years where none of the airline folks appeared to have any codes, and the doors from the departure "lounge" (DEL has this one big central aera to wait in before you walk to the actual gate jetways) could only be opened by police/military guys (dudes in uniforms with guns, at any rate ). Oh, he’s so American. "Dudes" in uniforms with guns. Yeah, he’s a regular guns ‘n ammo Texan. I recall seeing a UA crew Of course, it wouldn’t be a post from Richard without mention of a UA crew.
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I was at LAX last week. In the UA terminals there were guards sitting at card tables near some of the alarmed doors with signs saying "codes changed". I assume they would check the airline ID then give you the new code? Robert Johnson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Each airport has specific codes, and they change regularly. These codes are provided to flight crews (I’m sorry I’m not really comfortable being more specific, J.F.). Well, I wasn’t asking for specific codes… Just the philosophy behind it. So basically all gates are controlled by the airport and not by airline ? It might depend on the airport. We used a badge access system at OKC on most doors with a PIN number specific to you. The jetways had the code locks, but we needed a airline rep or a police officer to go with us when we used them. I only had to go on the ramp once using the jetway doors, and that was with a cop to clear Nolan Ryan who was returning to Houston after putting in a charity appearance with the OKC baseball team. A couple of my co-workers went down to United to clear Jennifer McVeigh (sister of OKC bomber Tim McVeigh) when she was in town to testify before the Grand Jury, and it was the same deal, although they cleared her once in the jetway itself. At OKC, the airlines owned their jetways, so I’d assume they created the codes. There were a few that were leased – Western Pacific and later Reno leased from Continental, and Sun Country leased from American and then United. We did ramp patrols for American, but we used the ramp-level doors that could be opened with our personal badges, or we just came in with the ramp agents through the operations area. Are the codes given to pilots in the briefing room prior to a flight ? I assume airlines collect them from each airport authorities to distribute to their own pilots ? They could get them from dispatch when they arrive if the airline owns the bridges. KRC
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The other day, I noticed a pilot escaping from the cockpit, go down the jetway stairs and actually inspect the aircraft ! On the way back, he climbed the stairs, entered a secret code on the lock, re-entered the jetways and probably proceeeded back to the sheepskin comfort of his plush pilot’s reclining lazyboy But this got to to wonder: How do pilot and crew learn about the door lock codes for each jetway they get to dock at ? Does an airline use the same code at all the jetway it uses system-wide ? Or is there a single code for all jetways at a particular airport ? In the later case, how the the pilot get in possession of the current code for such doors ?
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Does an airline use the same code at all the jetway it uses system-wide ? Or is there a single code for all jetways at a particular airport ? In the later case, how the the pilot get in possession of the current code for such doors ?
Each airport has specific codes, and they change regularly. These codes are provided to flight crews (I’m sorry I’m not really comfortable being more specific, J.F.). –Mark Rogers
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Each airport has specific codes, and they change regularly. These codes are provided to flight crews (I’m sorry I’m not really comfortable being more specific, J.F.).
Well, I wasn’t asking for specific codes… Just the philosophy behind it. So basically all gates are controlled by the airport and not by airline ? Are the codes given to pilots in the briefing room prior to a flight ? I assume airlines collect them from each airport authorities to distribute to their own pilots ?
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Each airport has specific codes, and they change regularly. These codes are provided to flight crews (I’m sorry I’m not really comfortable being more specific, J.F.). Well, I wasn’t asking for specific codes… Just the philosophy behind it. So basically all gates are controlled by the airport and not by airline ?
It might depend on the airport. We used a badge access system at OKC on most doors with a PIN number specific to you. The jetways had the code locks, but we needed a airline rep or a police officer to go with us when we used them. I only had to go on the ramp once using the jetway doors, and that was with a cop to clear Nolan Ryan who was returning to Houston after putting in a charity appearance with the OKC baseball team. A couple of my co-workers went down to United to clear Jennifer McVeigh (sister of OKC bomber Tim McVeigh) when she was in town to testify before the Grand Jury, and it was the same deal, although they cleared her once in the jetway itself. At OKC, the airlines owned their jetways, so I’d assume they created the codes. There were a few that were leased – Western Pacific and later Reno leased from Continental, and Sun Country leased from American and then United. We did ramp patrols for American, but we used the ramp-level doors that could be opened with our personal badges, or we just came in with the ramp agents through the operations area. Are the codes given to pilots in the briefing room prior to a flight ? I assume airlines collect them from each airport authorities to distribute to their own pilots ?
They could get them from dispatch when they arrive if the airline owns the bridges. KRC
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This thread reminds me of amusing scenes at Delhi (DEL) in recent years where none of the airline folks appeared to have any codes, and the doors from the departure "lounge" (DEL has this one big central aera to wait in before you walk to the actual gate jetways) could only be opened by police/military guys (dudes in uniforms with guns, at any rate ).
Oh, he’s so American. "Dudes" in uniforms with guns. Yeah, he’s a regular guns ‘n ammo Texan. I recall seeing a UA crew
Of course, it wouldn’t be a post from Richard without mention of a UA crew.
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Well, I wasn’t asking for specific codes… Just the philosophy behind it. So basically all gates are controlled by the airport and not by airline ?
No, the airline controls the codes, but they are different for each airport. Most codes are a numerical combination. There are exceptions, as KRC points out, where the code also requires some personal numbers, or requires a swipe badge or key. In the last two cases, we need an agent to let us down the jetway. Those are the exceptions rather than the rule, however. Are the codes given to pilots in the briefing room prior to a flight ? I assume airlines collect them from each airport authorities to distribute to their own pilots ?
The codes are not given to pilots directly before the flight; the pilots already have access to the codes. I’m not really comfortable discussing the distribution system, but I do have access to all the codes around the system. –Mark Rogers
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This thread reminds me of amusing scenes at Delhi (DEL) in recent years where none of the airline folks appeared to have any codes, and the doors from the departure "lounge" (DEL has this one big central aera to wait in before you walk to the actual gate jetways) could only be opened by police/military guys (dudes in uniforms with guns, at any rate ). I recall seeing a UA crew rather frustrated trying to get to their plane, and their Indian gate agents trying to attract the attention of the lone sentry at the other end of the area to open the various doors to their jetway. It was very interesting to watch, but vastly ineffecient. Of course this is the same airport where they get upset with you for not having a bag tag on carryons and who don’t seem to understand the idea of a transit passenger… but that’s another story! -richard — Richard A. Muirden, UNIX Systems Administrator and aviation nut! Cybersource Pty. Ltd. – Systems Administration and Windows/UNIX Integration
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