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I saw this in a news release: "The war against terrorism is a war of accountants and auditors, as well as a war of weaponry and soldiers," Ashcroft said. "Today’s charges against a senior leader of Hamas are the latest in an aggressive campaign to identify, disrupt and destroy the sources of funding that make terrorism possible."

This posture may have something to do with Ashcroft’s personal history. In the late 1960’s he requested and somehow obtained an occupational deferment from the draft because his occupation was "critical." His critcical occupation was teaching business law at Southwest Missouri State University.  Fewer than 1% of those registered were granted occupational deferments.   Al

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Yours truly has severe doubts that accountants and auditors could maintain professional independence and objectively in the working environment Mr. Ashcroft envisages. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA — If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA  B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": World Trade Center White House terrorist munitions supercomputer Kennedy

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Yours truly has severe doubts that accountants and auditors could maintain professional independence and objectively in the working environment Mr. Ashcroft envisages. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA

If you want to expand that a bit, I am sure you could go a long way with it. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this in a news release: "The war against terrorism is a war of accountants and auditors, as well as a war of weaponry and soldiers," Ashcroft said. "Today’s charges against a senior leader of Hamas are the latest in an aggressive campaign to identify, disrupt and destroy the sources of funding that make terrorism possible. If the bombs don’t get you, Saddam, the auditors will. I will be interested in hearing the reactions of other accountants.   Do we want the public to view accountants as associated and connected with federal agencies? Todd Boyle CPA  9745-128th Ave NE  Kirkland WA International Accounting Services, LLC  www.gldialtone.com 425-827-3107  editor, AR/AP everywhere  www.arapxml.net

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I saw this in a news release: "The war against terrorism is a war of accountants and auditors, as well as a war of weaponry and soldiers," Ashcroft said. "Today’s charges against a senior leader of Hamas are the latest in an aggressive campaign to identify, disrupt and destroy the sources of funding that make terrorism possible. If the bombs don’t get you, Saddam, the auditors will.

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I saw this in a news release: "The war against terrorism is a war of accountants and auditors, as well as a war of weaponry and soldiers," Ashcroft said. "Today’s charges against a senior leader of Hamas are the latest in an aggressive campaign to identify, disrupt and destroy the sources of funding that make terrorism possible. If the bombs don’t get you, Saddam, the auditors will.

Rule 1:  Follow the money. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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I saw this in a news release: "The war against terrorism is a war of accountants and auditors, as well as a war of weaponry and soldiers," Ashcroft said. "Today’s charges against a senior leader of Hamas are the latest in an aggressive campaign to identify, disrupt and destroy the sources of funding that make terrorism possible. If the bombs don’t get you, Saddam, the auditors will.

I will be interested in hearing the reactions of other accountants.   Do we want the public to view accountants as associated and connected with federal agencies? Todd Boyle CPA  9745-128th Ave NE  Kirkland WA International Accounting Services, LLC  www.gldialtone.com 425-827-3107  editor, AR/AP everywhere  www.arapxml.net

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I will be interested in hearing the reactions of other accountants.   Do we want the public to view accountants as associated and connected with federal agencies?

Too late.  Accountants have long been associated with the IRS, whether deservedly or not.  I think of the FBI as well. — Todd Stephens

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I will be interested in hearing the reactions of other accountants.   Do we want the public to view accountants as associated and connected with federal agencies? Too late.  Accountants have long been associated with the IRS, whether deservedly or not.  I think of the FBI as well. — Todd Stephens

Please don’t forget the U.S. General Accounting Office, the Federal Inspectors General, U.S. Customs Service, and the Department of the Treasury over an above the I.R.S. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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F9 does not have a program yet for quickbooks but they will write a program that will interface with quickbooks.  I have used f9 synex for other accounting programs.  It is great !!! It makes me drool just thinking about it…  The program resides in excel and updates automatically, there is no need to transfer transactions to excel. However, they want alot for the first program, approximately $5,000. Is there anyone else interested?  If enough of us commit to buy we could reduce this initial cost considerably.

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F9 does not have a program yet for quickbooks but they will write a program that will interface with quickbooks.  I have used f9 synex for other accounting programs.  It is great !!! It makes me drool just thinking about it…  The program resides in excel and updates automatically, there is no need to transfer transactions to excel. However, they want alot for the first program, approximately $5,000.

I’m sorry if I sound like a sceptic, but I find it inconcevible that the lack of  5,000 up front money is the only thing standing in the was of F9 interfacing with Quickbooks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there anyone else interested?  If enough of us commit to buy we could reduce this initial cost considerably.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  For a start, you should be using excel.  That should alleviate arithmetic errors, assuming the formulas are entered correctly. — sarah clark I thought about using excel, and I have for other reports, but with all the typing formatting needed, I decided word would be best.  I know calculator for the arithmetic

I agree with Sarah. Use a spreadsheet to do accounting homework. It’s time you learned how to put format spreadsheet output and how to transfer spreadsheets to text documents. easy2000

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I’m an accounting student taking Managerial Accounting (Cost Accounting). I’m trying to prepare a production report using process cost accounting with the FIFO method.  During the cost reconciliation with the work in process account and units completed I’ve run into a 46K mistake.  Is anyone willing to take a look at my Word document to tell me where I’m wrong?  I don’t necessarily need to know the right answer, just where to

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I’m an accounting student taking Managerial Accounting (Cost Accounting). I’m trying to prepare a production report using process cost accounting with the FIFO method.  During the cost reconciliation with the work in process account and units completed I’ve run into a 46K mistake.  Is anyone willing to take a look at my Word document to tell me where I’m wrong?  I don’t necessarily need to know the right answer, just where to

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I’m an accounting student taking Managerial Accounting (Cost Accounting). I’m trying to prepare a production report using process cost accounting with the FIFO method.  During the cost reconciliation with the work in process account and units completed I’ve run into a 46K mistake.  Is anyone willing to take a look at my Word document to tell me where I’m wrong?  I don’t necessarily need to know the right answer, just where to

For a start, you should be using excel.  That should alleviate arithmetic errors, assuming the formulas are entered correctly. — sarah clark My experience as a member of the APB (Accounting Principles Board) taught me many lessons.  A major one was that most of us have a natural tendency and an incredible talent for processing new facts in such a way that our prior conclusions remain intact.   — Charles Horngren

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 For a start, you should be using excel.  That should alleviate arithmetic errors, assuming the formulas are entered correctly. — sarah clark

I thought about using excel, and I have for other reports, but with all the typing formatting needed, I decided word would be best.  I know calculator for the arithmetic

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November 3 1999 "Know ye not history and you are doomed to repeat it." Know ye your history of malice and repeat it, and the malice of consequences repeateth also. No group in the world has such a repeated history as the Circumcised Hebrews. They relish in recounting this history as if it is a high point of achievement, without going through the recognized procedure of objectively learning from history. It is always the other guy who is at fault.                     "The Jewish Book of Days" is a small hard covered calender book starting off with Janurary and ending in December with no particular year involved. Each page is divided up into seven horizontal spaces, each one having a numerical date corresponding to the month and in each space there is a notation for something the Jews find significant, such as Janurary 1 notes "Hank Greenberg, professional baseball player, born (1911)" or June 27 notes "The Yiddish newspaper Die Yidishe Velt began publication in New York (1902)". The Jewish history also cites among the attaining people and moments of their history a substantial recollection of their effects on others, the first appearing under the book date, 14 The Church burned confiscated Jewish books in Rome(1601) 31 Henry II forbade Jews in England to build new synagogues(1253) Feb. 6 First auto-da-fe of the Spanish Inquisition(1481) 13 Jews of Speyer massacred(1195) 28 First auto-da-fe in the New World(1574) Mar. 9 Pope Innocent IV ordered that the Talmud be burned(1244) 18 More than eighty French Jews were burned at the stake in Bray(1191) 5 The Polish army executed thirty five Jews for handing out Joint Distribution Committee packages to the Jews of Pinsk(1919) 28 A progrom at Elizavetgrad was followed by a series of progroms throughout the Ukraine and neighboring provinces(1881) May 7 Empress Catherine I ordered all Jews expelled from the Ukraine(1727) 13 Nonnative Jews expelled from Bohemia(1763) 19 Iraqi Jews began to depart for Israel(1950) 31 Sigmund III of Poland tried to keep Jews out of Riga(1593) June 15 Many Jews were killed during a riot in Safed(1834) 19 Loius IX of France decreed all Jews must wear yellow badge(1269) 24 Russian Minister of the Interior instructed local authorities to suppress Zionism among the Jews(1903) 19 Thirty eight Jews burned in Brandenburg as a result of a Host-declaration libel(1810) 22 Jews of France arrested at the order of King Philip(1306) 30 Citizens of Nuremburg forbidden to borrow from Jews(1539) Aug  5 More than 300 Jews were killed in a massacre in Barcelona(1391) 11 Marranos who escaped from Spain fall victim to auto-da-fe in Lima(1635) 16 Laws regulating the condition of Jews of Saxony issued(1838) 18 Jews Oath abolished in Austria(1846) 19 Maximillian I orders the destruction of Jewish books(1509) 23 Jews throughout Palestine were attacked by Arab rioters(1929) Sept  3 Many Jews were killed in a riot during coronation of Richard the Lion Hearted(1189) 21 Swedish Government revoked privileges previously granted Swedish Jews(1838) Oct 4 Jews deprived of rights by Vichy government in France(1940) 5 Ludwig IX expelled the Jews from Lower Bavaria(1450) 21 Emperor Joseph II of Austria abolished distinctive Jewish dress(1781) 23 Jews in Barbados forbidden to engage in retail trade(1668) 30 Pope Innocent XI forbade Jews in Rome to engage in banking(1682) 31 Date by which Jews had to leave Portugal(1497) 9 Kristallnact(1938) 14 Jews no longer permitted to attend German schools(1938) 26 The Council of Clermont proclaimed the First Crusade, that led to the massacre of many Jewish communities(1092) 25 King Frederick III of Sicily required all Jews to wear badges(1369) 27 Jews were prohibited from practicing medicine in Romania(1868) So here we have a recurrant theme spanning ten centuries and many different areas. We might assume that this rejoicing record compiled by the Jewish community is that which they were able to find but that the full account, if records were available, might excede this by many times. Holocaust books give us a more up to date account about raging resentments among a variety of countries in this century, especially in their accounts of Einsatzgruppens, where we might get the idea that people in Hungary, Romania, Ukraine, White Russia and else where, had more to do with whatever really happened than the Germans. We also have to recognize, aside from any moral judgements, that whatever really happened during WW II is a continuation of the listed history above. Since these bewailings of dates of reactions are always devoid of discussing any extenuating circumstances we are left to wonder about the ultimate cause and effect of the reoccurance. Nevertheless, one example of the above has found it’s way into history books as to any details. This is the Spanish expulsion of Jews in 1492. The historical account of Jews in Spain starts off with them finding their way into the land as tagalongs to the invading Moorish army, thus making them complicit in the invasion. After a few centuries the Moors were rightfully ejected from Spain, but the Jews were allowed to stay, evidentally in consideration of their biblical connection. Inspite of this initial forgiving accomodation a change of heart occurred. Evidentally the Jews had saturated much of the trade, including the agricultural chain, and eventually it got to the point of intolerance and the Spanish reacted. About three years ago Spain allowed itself to be badgered into giving a formal apology for this history. The one thing that is certain from the overall history of the Jews, by their own accounting, aside from any discussion of cause and effect, is that for some reason many generations in many nations allowed the Jews to establish themselves but for some reason became irratated to the point of severe reaction, which the Jews call "persecution". It is evident that great rage was directed towards the Jews, and we must recognize that the Jews’ repeated history suggests that they are the ultimate responsibility for whatever happened to them.  They can propagandize all they want about how brilliant they are, how benevolent they are, but their own history does not support it. The most repeated history in the history of the world. By comparison, the statistics of American anti-Semitism, though plentiful, appear mild. There was Gen. U.S. Grant’s expulsion of Jewish merchants from the Tennessee war zone in the Civil War, an act that Lincoln countermanded. There was the lynching of Leo Frank in Georgia in 1915, after his spurious conviction for the murder of one of his female employees. There was Henry Ford’s infamous republication in the 1920s of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."  -A heartfelt thank you to Tom Moran for the above work   January 21, 1996 — SANDRA "If dissidents are ever going to accomplish anything they had better learn NOW that everything Jews hate they must love, everything Jews despise they must embrace, and everything Jews attack they must defend."         -SFC Steven M. Barry, USA (Ret.), Editor, The Resister

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<snip for space fairly accurate history of the persecution of the Jews) – -Since these bewailings of dates of reactions are always devoid of -discussing any extenuating circumstances we are left to wonder about the -ultimate cause and effect of the reoccurance. Nevertheless, one example of -the above has found it’s way into history books as to any -details. This is the Spanish expulsion of Jews in 1492. – -The historical account of Jews in Spain starts off with them -finding their way into the land as tagalongs to the invading Moorish army, -thus making them complicit in the invasion. After a few centuries the -Moors were rightfully ejected from Spain, but the Jews were allowed to -stay, evidentally in consideration of their biblical connection. Inspite -of this initial forgiving accomodation a change of heart occurred. -Evidentally the Jews had saturated much of the trade, including the -agricultural chain, and eventually it got to the point of intolerance and -the Spanish reacted. Translation:  The Spanish merchant class and ruling class got really angry that tho they unwiling to work as cooperatively with each others as the Jews were, and therefore were not as successful….so they stirred up hatred of folks who they themselves were oppressing…… – -About three years ago Spain allowed itself to be badgered into giving a -formal apology for this history. If a people are going to take pride in thier history, then they need to take responsibility for ALL their history, wouldn’t you think, – -The one thing that is certain from the overall history of the Jews, by -their own accounting, aside from any discussion of cause and effect, is -that for some reason many generations in many nations allowed the Jews to -establish themselves but for some reason became irratated to the point of -severe reaction, which the Jews call "persecution". What do you call  the deprival of human rights based on religion and/or race. justice? You’re a really scary child. -It is evident that great rage was directed towards the Jews, and we must -recognize that the Jews’ repeated history suggests that they are the -ultimate responsibility for whatever happened to them.  They can -propagandize all they want about how brilliant they are, how benevolent -they are, but their own history does not support it. IWhy must we "recognize" such a lie? I guess you are the kind of person who feels that little girls who have been raped must have " asked for it",  that its was the White man’s duty to wipe out Native people in the Americas, that those civil-rights workers deserved to be lynched. – -The most repeated history in the history of the world. Evil done by humans to other humans is the most repeated history in the world. – -By comparison, the statistics of American anti-Semitism, though plentiful, -appear mild. There was Gen. U.S. Grant’s expulsion of Jewish merchants -from the Tennessee war zone in the Civil War, an act that Lincoln -countermanded. There was the lynching of Leo Frank in Georgia in 1915, -after his spurious conviction for the murder of one of his female -employees. There was Henry Ford’s infamous republication in the 1920s -of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." And you are trying to correct that, by stirring up more hatred against Jews? – -SANDRA -"If dissidents are ever going to accomplish anything they had better learn -NOW that everything Jews hate they must love, everything Jews despise they -must embrace, and everything Jews attack they must defend." –        -SFC Steven M. Barry, USA (Ret.), Editor, The Resister Well, at least you proove you are no lover of Jesus Christ!!! Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I’m Gay http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734 – Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches http://www.ufmcc.com Every 3.6 seconds a real person dies from hunger somewhere in the world!!! Feed a hungry person today: http://www.hungersite.com Every day 1800 children woldwide are infected with HIV. Please help provide care: http://www.thekidsaidssite.com To send e-mail, remove nohate from address

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November 3 1999

…it was a very good year…… — I’ll write no line before its time

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Lets say you list an item for 99 cents, and it sells for 9.00, with postage another 1.25.   You saved 25 cents on the listing, but you might have to pay 79 cents in BillPoint fees. If my math is wrong I’d like to have someone point it out.

 Try this math… Billpoint is very rarely used and even if it is used 85 % of all credit card purchases are made by Visa cards which have their fees waived by Billpoint for  these free listing auctions. I admit,if you have a high value item you may want to skip the freebie but for items under $20 it is well worth the very slight chance that some buyer will use MasterCard or Discovery on a Billpoint purchase….

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Lets say you list an item for 99 cents, and it sells for 9.00, with postage another 1.25.   You saved 25 cents on the listing, but you might have to pay 79 cents in BillPoint fees. If my math is wrong I’d like to have someone point it out. Try this math… Billpoint is very rarely used and even if it is used 85 % of all credit card purchases are made by Visa cards which have their fees waived by Billpoint for  these free listing auctions. I admit,if you have a high value item you may want to skip the freebie but for items under $20 it is well worth the very slight chance that some buyer will use MasterCard or Discovery on a Billpoint purchase….

Is it worth the 25 cents for me to be pushing a service that will come back to bite me in the ass later on?  Later on when the math will be a 9.00 dollar item with 1.25 postage costing me 25 cents to list, plus 79 cents in BillPoint fees plus 45 cents final value fee. Why would I want to try and get a system going where eBay takes $1.49 out of a lousy $9.00 sale!

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Is it worth the 25 cents for me to be pushing a service that will come back to bite me in the ass later on?  Later on when the math will be a 9.00 dollar item with 1.25 postage costing me 25 cents to list, plus 79 cents in BillPoint fees plus 45 cents final value fee. Why would I want to try and get a system going where eBay takes $1.49 out of a lousy $9.00 sale!

 Billpoint is doomed to fail,it is floundering in the water trying to stay afloat. Why not take advantage of it’s attempts to buy sellers. Nobody is agreeing to use Billpoint on any auction other than these freebies. You can actually hurt Billpoint by using it on the freebie auctions and not on the regular paying auctions. Those statistics must drive eBay’s accountants nuts…    In the early 1970’s I worked for a little sweatshop sheet metal company. The workers got together and got a union organizer to get a ‘union vote’ to make the shop a union shop. The owner had 2 weeks to try to convince the workers he was really a nice guy and not a tyrant. We had no intention of ever not voting for the unionization of the shop but we gladly accepted his "goodwill gestures" of new lockers,water fountains,etc.,etc.

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This kind of free day is highly discriminatory against those who are in "furrin" countries (not to mention those who don’t want to use Ebay’s CC service)! The last free day was in late December last year (for us "regular folks"). Personally, I think the only reason they’re doing this latest one is to hype up business around the Memorial Day weekend.

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"Include Billpoint as a payment method when you list your item on Thursday, May 18th, and Billpoint will pay your eBay insertion fee! You must register with Billpoint and include this payment method to receive your free listings."  So you guys don’t think it worth be worth my while to take advantage of this just for the free listings?  I have some new stuff to put on, but if I’m going to get less for it, it wouldn’t be worth the free listings.  I value your opinions in here.

A big problem for me is the timing – a seven day auction starting today would end the Thursday before Memorial Day weekend – and since a lot of people make it a four-day weekend, I’m betting the amount of bidders will be down that evening, getting ready for their cookout, trip to the beach, visiting relatives, etc. The 10-day auctions would be even worse, ending on the Sunday before Memorial Day. If you like doing three and five day auctions, I suppose it might be ok for you. Before you buy.

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I think I will take everyone’s advice and wait.  Like somebody said (sorry, forgot who), if the buyer did use Billpoint, it would cost me more than a listing fee, and besides that, it seems to me like auctions are slow now anyway, even without the upcoming holiday to slow them down even more.  Oh well, I have quite a few on now, just hope the bidding picks up before they close! Thanks, everybody, for your advice! Rhonda

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on how I can spend more money in fees if I take billpoint. Mark my words, paypal will not remain on ebay as a free service. ebay has too much to lose with a "free" service doing the job of a "paid" service like billpoint. Who in theor right mind will use billpoint when paypal is free. Won’t last long I guarantee it.

Dumb comment, there’s nothing e-bay can do about it.  By what magical means do you think e-bay can keep anyone from accepting or making a PayPal payment? — —T Lin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No you aren’t getting it, it is not free untill you close with the sale and your buyer uses billpoint. I just got the powersellers mail out with all the neat info Dennis worse yet is the item has to close and the payment must be made through billpoint for the listing to be free. Whipee!!!! Dennis  Payment options must include Billpoint for the listing to be free. Nobody would use the free listings with the strict rules you indicated. Why not take advantage of the free day? Nobody uses Billpoint anyway and after the free listing day ignore the Billpoint payment option…

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"Include Billpoint as a payment method when you list your item on Thursday, May 18th, and Billpoint will pay your eBay insertion fee! You must register with Billpoint and include this payment method to receive your free listings."  So you guys don’t think it worth be worth my while to take advantage of this just for the free listings?  I have some new stuff to put on, but if I’m going to get less for it, it wouldn’t be worth the free listings.  I value your opinions in here. Rhonda

Lets say you list an item for 99 cents, and it sells for 9.00, with postage another 1.25.   You saved 25 cents on the listing, but you might have to pay 79 cents in BillPoint fees. If my math is wrong I’d like to have someone point it out.

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Every time they have a free listing day, my prices drop, and my percentage of completed auctions drop.  It probably depends on what your selling. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Include Billpoint as a payment method when you list your item on Thursday, May 18th, and Billpoint will pay your eBay insertion fee! You must register with Billpoint and include this payment method to receive your free listings."  So you guys don’t think it worth be worth my while to take advantage of this just for the free listings?  I have some new stuff to put on, but if I’m going to get less for it, it wouldn’t be worth the free listings.  I value your opinions in here. Rhonda

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2-4-6-8, JNouri is spiffy, JNouri is great!: another free listing day may 18th as long as you choose  billpoint asa  payment method.

Two words: Fuck Sh^H^HBillPoint  Alright! I *AM* the Messiah! — He *IS* the Messiah! — Now… Fuck Off!

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"Include Billpoint as a payment method when you list your item on Thursday, May 18th, and Billpoint will pay your eBay insertion fee! You must register with Billpoint and include this payment method to receive your free listings."  So you guys don’t think it worth be worth my while to take advantage of this just for the free listings?  I have some new stuff to put on, but if I’m going to get less for it, it wouldn’t be worth the free listings.  I value your opinions in here. Rhonda

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you aren’t getting it. the anouncement about the free listing day (5-18-00) at http://pages.ebay.com/help/sellerguide/bp-fld.html says you must accept billpoint for the free listing, but it does not say- the auction end must be paid via billpoint, just that it must be an option to they buyer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No you aren’t getting it, it is not free untill you close with the sale and your buyer uses billpoint. I just got the powersellers mail out with all the neat info on how I can spend more money in fees if I take billpoint. Mark my words, paypal will not remain on ebay as a free service. ebay has too much to lose with a "free" service doing the job of a "paid" service like billpoint. Who in theor right mind will use billpoint when paypal is free. Won’t last long I guarantee it. Dennis worse yet is the item has to close and the payment must be made through billpoint for the listing to be free. Whipee!!!! Dennis  Payment options must include Billpoint for the listing to be free. Nobody would use the free listings with the strict rules you indicated. Why not take advantage of the free day? Nobody uses Billpoint anyway and after the free listing day ignore the Billpoint payment option…

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I can think of one good reason, every time they have a free day it increases the number of listings, drops the sales prices to sellers due to the increased competition for bidders, and decreases the percentage of auctions actually completed.  Why would I want to save the $0.25 or $0.50 per item, and risk having each item close $2.00 or $3.00 lower, if at all? I wish eBay would just drop these free listing days entirely.  From the sellers standpoint they are terrible for business.  What they need is something to encourage more bidders to come on board.  If they can keep the supply of bidders high, the sellers will come AND pay for the privelege willingly. Just an opinion. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip  Payment options must include Billpoint for the listing to be free. Nobody would use the free listings with the strict rules you indicated. Why not take advantage of the free day? Nobody uses Billpoint anyway and after the free listing day ignore the Billpoint payment option…

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another free listing day may 18th as long as you choose  billpoint asa  payment method. Obviously Ebay is trying to capitalize on the recent problems at PayPal, no doubt hoping to convert some disgruntled sellers.

  I think the recent problems at PayPal are just coincidental to this free listing day. The opposite is probably more true… the incredible success of PayPal with the online auction scene ( 25 % of all eBay auctions for instance ) has made it an out and out necessity for eBay to try to promote it’s BillPoint at all costs before it’s beyond help. I can envision a scenario where eBay has free listing for a week or even longer for sellers willing to use BillPoint as a payment option. These single listing days don’t really help BillPoint’s cause enough to be effective and a longer free listing period may be what is     Just an opinion mind you

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another free listing day may 18th as long as you choose  billpoint asa  payment method.

Obviously Ebay is trying to capitalize on the recent problems at PayPal, no doubt hoping to convert some disgruntled sellers.

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worse yet is the item has to close and the payment must be made through billpoint for the listing to be free. Whipee!!!! Dennis

 Payment options must include Billpoint for the listing to be free. Nobody would use the free listings with the strict rules you indicated. Why not take advantage of the free day? Nobody uses Billpoint anyway and after the free listing day ignore the Billpoint payment option…

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another free listing day may 18th as long as you choose  billpoint asa  payment method.

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Thanks for telling us agent 007.  (sooo sneaky!) I hope eBay is paying you well. Dexter

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I’m getting pretty tired of these stupid free listing days.  Sales have been bad enough recently without making things worse. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for telling us agent 007.  (sooo sneaky!) I hope eBay is paying you well. Dexter

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another free listing day may 18th as long as you choose  billpoint asa  payment method.

hehe… well I don’t think I’ll list tomorrow. #1    I’m not paying the BillPoint fees #2    7 and 10 day auctions will hit a holiday #3    I’m not paying BillPoint fees

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worse yet is the item has to close and the payment must be made through billpoint for the listing to be free. Whipee!!!! Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for telling us agent 007.  (sooo sneaky!) I hope eBay is paying you well. Dexter

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No you aren’t getting it, it is not free untill you close with the sale and your buyer uses billpoint. I just got the powersellers mail out with all the neat info on how I can spend more money in fees if I take billpoint. Mark my words, paypal will not remain on ebay as a free service. ebay has too much to lose with a "free" service doing the job of a "paid" service like billpoint. Who in theor right mind will use billpoint when paypal is free. Won’t last long I guarantee it. Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – worse yet is the item has to close and the payment must be made through billpoint for the listing to be free. Whipee!!!! Dennis  Payment options must include Billpoint for the listing to be free. Nobody would use the free listings with the strict rules you indicated. Why not take advantage of the free day? Nobody uses Billpoint anyway and after the free listing day ignore the Billpoint payment option…

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I am very new to business.  How do you handle foreign currencies in QuickBooks?  I live in Canada and must do my bookkeeping in Canadian dollars.  USA customers pay in US dollars and they would likely want an invoice and/or receipt in US dollars.  But I need to keep the books in Canadian dollars and thus my invoices are in Canadian dollars.  I see no way P. Weisberg

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wrote in alt.accounting: I am very new to business.  How do you handle foreign currencies in QuickBooks?  I live in Canada and must do my bookkeeping in Canadian dollars.  USA customers pay in US dollars and they would likely want an invoice and/or receipt in US dollars.  But I need to keep the books in Canadian dollars and thus my invoices are in Canadian dollars.  I see no way P. Weisberg

I like QB very much, but it does not have the multi-currency accounting of MYOB and others. You can keep some accounts in US dollars and make monthly entries to zero them and transfer amounts to Canadian dollars in QB, but I would start with a multi-currency product.   Mike Block, Tax Fighting C.P.A.              World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester 450+ page QB book/free updates $10 QB add-ons http://www.blocktax.com/    Ft Lauderdale FL 954-566-7540

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We have the same problem (we’re in Canada, too).  I think that QuickBooks 2000 may have this feature – it’s currently in beta test.  You may be able to get on the beta by filling out a form on their web site. Paul Grunau

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am very new to business.  How do you handle foreign currencies in QuickBooks?  I live in Canada and must do my bookkeeping in Canadian dollars.  USA customers pay in US dollars and they would likely want an invoice and/or receipt in US dollars.  But I need to keep the books in Canadian dollars and thus my invoices are in Canadian dollars.  I see no way P. Weisberg

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>Yes!! Ellen Ripley. I was driving myself crazy. Don’t you hate that? you know >the answer and any other time could spout if off, but the minute you think >about it, it leaves your brain.

Yep, or you get something stuck in your mind that you KNOW isn’t right. Happened the other night when Barry White was a guest star. He came out and I said ‘What IS his name???’ Hubby couldn’t remember, guessed ‘Lou Rawls.’ I KNEW that wasn’t it, but all I could do was think ‘B! It starts with a B! BB King? NO!!’ and then couldn’t get BB King out of my head! — Tracey — "I used to think that life should be fair. But then I realized it’s better that life is unfair.  If life is fair, it would mean we deserve all the terrible things that happen to us." – Marcus, Ranger extrordinaire.

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In article <19990830130704.11340.00001…@ng-bd1.aol.com>, lilca…@aol.com (Tiger pad softly…) wrote: > I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. > My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in > general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are > sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are > aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces.   > Keep in mind this is all "in general." > Nikolette

Greetings May I suggest the book Manwatching by Desmond Morris? It will tell you a lot about how we see each other and the clues we exhibit. As to your theory, guys will focus on their favorite part of the anatomy; breast, crotch, legs or butt first. Guys look at all women. It is only when there is more than one to look at that the "sexy" one gets more attention. One guy might find sexy legs and another guy looking at the sexy bust on someone else so the same women is not necessarily getting all the attention. I do remember one exception to this. A girl in college with me who had long hair to her knees and wore it down everyday. Guys did not just look, they stopped what they were doing and stared. Women look at another person’s eyes first. If they are looking at a man, it is to see what part he is focusing on. If they are looking at another woman, the eye contact will lead to a gesture of acknowlegement; smile or eyebrow movement. An interesting discussion is the use of makeup. Is it for the guys or other women? The guys are not looking at your face anyway so it is not really for them. Wendy Bernadette

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:05:49 GMT, gretc…@nls.net (Kynvelyn) wrote: >In article <19990830130704.11340.00001…@ng-bd1.aol.com>, >lilca…@aol.com (Tiger pad softly…) wrote: >> I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. >> My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in >> general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are >> sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are >> aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces.   >> Keep in mind this is all "in general." >> Nikolette >Greetings >May I suggest the book Manwatching by Desmond Morris? It will tell you a >lot about how we see each other and the clues we exhibit. >As to your theory, guys will focus on their favorite part of the anatomy; >breast, crotch, legs or butt first. Guys look at all women. It is only >when there is more than one to look at that the "sexy" one gets more >attention. One guy might find sexy legs and another guy looking at the >sexy bust on someone else so the same women is not necessarily getting all >the attention. I do remember one exception to this. A girl in college with >me who had long hair to her knees and wore it down everyday. Guys did not >just look, they stopped what they were doing and stared. >Women look at another person’s eyes first. If they are looking at a man, >it is to see what part he is focusing on. If they are looking at another >woman, the eye contact will lead to a gesture of acknowlegement; smile or >eyebrow movement. >An interesting discussion is the use of makeup. Is it for the guys or >other women? The guys are not looking at your face anyway so it is not >really for them. >Wendy Bernadette

Phooey, that book sound like a waste of trees to me … I am as much a guy as anyone here or elsewhere …when I see a woman I look first at the face (preferably with minimal makeup) and than at the overall body to see if she is reasonably fit … if my intent is to ask her out.   If I am looking for conversation or knowledge, I do not care what she looks like … then only intelligence matters. Floridanewbie

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Yes!! Ellen Ripley. I was driving myself crazy. Don’t you hate that? you know the answer and any other time could spout if off, but the minute you think about it, it leaves your brain. I agree, she didn’t look like an Ellen at all. Althea In article <19990831132410.13949.00003…@ngol04.aol.com>, rbranch…@aol.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Tracey) wrote: >In article <JbSy3.122$e4….@news1.iquest.net>, vandi…@iquest.net (Althea) >writes: >>Althea (what the heck is Sigourney Weaver’s character’s name in those movies. >>I’m drawing a blank and it’s driving me crazy. I’ve seen those movies so many >>times.) >Ripley…….Can’t quite remember if she had a first name….Ellen? >She sure didn’t *look* like an Ellen. >Tracey

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In article <JbSy3.122$e4….@news1.iquest.net>, vandi…@iquest.net (Althea) writes: >Althea (what the heck is Sigourney Weaver’s character’s name in those movies. >I’m drawing a blank and it’s driving me crazy. I’ve seen those movies so many >times.)

Ripley…….Can’t quite remember if she had a first name….Ellen? She sure didn’t *look* like an Ellen. Tracey

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I personally find certain personality types appealing for long term pursuit. Short term appeal, that would get my attention is of course all physical, since that’s all any of us have to work with when first meeting someone in person…but then the traits that appeal to me are not the norm. The *ideal* woman looks like all the other supermodels, but the one that would get the *most effort* from me at a social event, meaning I would pursue the most, is not the supermodel. She would be about 5′-5′8", around 125-150lbs ‘ish, have ample breasts, a pretty face, a round butt, and a little bit of a pooch on her stomach, some fat here and there to make her soft and huggable, and long hair of most any color. The point is model figures are not the most appealing to me, the ‘hot babes’ more often have a bad attitude. The girl next door types are much more appealing to me. But the personality is far more important than looks, and obnoxious personality will not be overlooked in lieu of a perfect body ever, by me. A nice person, who is sweet, intelligent, honest, and dedicated, could look most any way and still be appealing to me. I think anyone who limits themselves to only people who meet a certian level of visual appeal, are limiting themselves much more than they probably will ever appreciate. Just my POV Egoslayer1 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Dana > wrote in message … > Men look at women and women look at men looking at women.

I think this is what the average male would "like" to believe. Perhaps while the men are looking at "other" women, there is another man looking at "your" woman, and she’s looking back at him? How would you know … your looking at other women? — Spiderweb =} "Real women don’t have hot flashes, they have power surges"

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Yeah, he likes the non-alien infested one!! She was scary wasn’t she, when she kicked the crap out of that one guy who thought he could get with her. (The guy who played Vincent in that "Beauty and Beast" series with Linda Hamilton years ago. Althea (what the heck is Sigourney Weaver’s character’s name in those movies. I’m drawing a blank and it’s driving me crazy. I’ve seen those movies so many times.) In article <19990830231649.16897.00004…@ngol02.aol.com>, rbranch…@aol.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Tracey) wrote: >In article <dNGy3.89$e4….@news1.iquest.net>, vandi…@iquest.net (Althea) >writes: >>When you ask him about actresses he says >>"Sigourney Weaver in Alien," or some other actress in some other movie. >I hope he means one of the first three, because she’s DAMNED >scary in the last one <shudder>. >Tracey ><who could and does watches all of the Alien movies over and >over…and over….and over….and over….>

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In article <dNGy3.89$e4….@news1.iquest.net>, vandi…@iquest.net (Althea) writes: >When you ask him about actresses he says >"Sigourney Weaver in Alien," or some other actress in some other movie.

I hope he means one of the first three, because she’s DAMNED scary in the last one <shudder>. Tracey <who could and does watches all of the Alien movies over and over…and over….and over….and over….>

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>because she’s DAMNED >scary in the last one <shudder>.

LOL Nikolette

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Men look at women and women look at men looking at women. Tiger pad softly… <lilca…@aol.com> wrote in message news:19990830130704.11340.00001654@ng-bd1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. > My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in > general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are > sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are > aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces. > Keep in mind this is all "in general." > Nikolette

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My experience is that there is no accounting for taste. Tiger pad softly… wrote in message

<19990830130704.11340.00001…@ng-bd1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. >My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in >general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are >sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are >aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces. >Keep in mind this is all "in general." >Nikolette

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Hmmm, I tend to go for a certain "type" or attitude. For example, I think Brad Pitt is cute, but I’d have a heart attack if Sean Connery spoke to me. Tom Cruise is handsome, but Ed Harris makes my knees weak. Hubby tends to be the same way. When you ask him about actresses he says "Sigourney Weaver in Alien," or some other actress in some other movie. He’s talking about the type of woman they are or portray, not how they look. He goes for the strong, independent yet open to partnership type of woman. Althea In article <19990830130704.11340.00001…@ng-bd1.aol.com>, lilca…@aol.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Tiger pad softly…) wrote: >I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. >My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in >general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are >sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are >aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces.   >Keep in mind this is all "in general." >Nikolette

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I’d like to put a theory out, and see what other people think…. My theory is this:  Men, in general, look at "sexy" women, and women, in general, look at "cute" men.  In other words, men look at women who are sexually attractive to them, ie. their bodies; while women look at men who are aesthetically pleasing, ie. their faces.   Keep in mind this is all "in general." Nikolette

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An old friend of mine was moving this weekend and stopped by to say his farewells.  He had something in his hand that I couldn’t make out until he got closer.  It turned out to be a fairly rust covered Stanley Bailey.  His grandfather used it quite frequently when Charlie was just a little sprout, but he had no use for it.  He gladly gave it up – visited for a few, and left.  I immediately took it AS IS to a piece of scrap on the floor and what shavings I made!  Cleaned it up, (never even sharpened the blade yet) and now has a place in standing in my "dedicated" plane drawer.  Also got creative and built a little something extra for my Dewalt 12-1/2.  The pic is on alt.binaries.pictures. furniture.  It weighs a ton, but the old lawn mower wheels nicely move around where I need it.  Thank God for scrap 4×4 stock and 2×12’s. — Jim Mc Namara Future Collectibles Sugar Land, Texas

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Nice gloat, JIM! Nice to see an old plane put to good use, instead of in some snotty collector’s lot.   There’s no accounting for friendship! Woodchipz

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He’s been a good friend for about 7 years . . . been through a lot together. I think he knew the value as a collector piece, but knew I’d put it to good use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice gloat, JIM! Nice to see an old plane put to good use, instead of in some snotty collector’s lot. There’s no accounting for friendship! Woodchipz

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An old friend of mine was moving this weekend and stopped by to say his farewells.  He had something in his hand that I couldn’t make out until he got closer.  It turned out to be a fairly rust covered Stanley Bailey.  

<Snip    Interesting, yesterday afternoon, while I was out at the picnic table putting the final touches on a clock case I had just made, my neighbor walked into the back yard and asked me to come with him for a minute. He took me out to his pick-up truck parked in front of my house.  There was some heavy iron on the bed.  Two old cast iron 12" planers, one was a Sears Roebuck, the other a Parks Woodworking machine.    I own a DeWalt 12.5" but… I now have the Parks in my garage.  Cast iron base, three bladed head, a magnetic starter switch, clutch driven infeed roller, and is dual V-belt driven by a gigantic physically sized motor.  I suspect although huge, the HP rating is probable 3/4 (I can’t see the face plate with out removing the motor).    I switched the unit over from 220V to 110V to see if it works (no 220V in the garage) and it purrs.  Much quieter than the DeWalt.     SWMBO wanted to know what I planned to do with another planer, saying it will be in the way. (It reminded me of bringing home a stray puppy and being told that I couldn’t keep it.)  Although I really can’t figure out why I’d need two planers, I just smiled and said, "We’ll think of something." Jack Novak

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Tindall) writes: What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

Correct! There is no 2YK problem at all. However, there may be a problem with Y2K. If there is. I will have a good laugh at myself. Be embarrassed for a while and life will continue on for me. I just hope to GOD there is nothing wrong then! However, I would rather have insurance, just in case. Plus, all this food, medical supplies and ammo I storing won’t be wasted. The food will still be eaten and replaced. The medical supplies will slowly be used up and replaced. The ammo will be good indefinely if stored correctly. Talking about insurance now. I have all kinds of insurance. For the truck, motorcycle, health, life and homeowners. Hopefully I will never collect on any of them. Although the health and life insurance will probably, eventually, be used. I know that much. But, at least I have insurance. I just hope you also have that insurance. As to Y2K insurance. I hope this opens your eyes. But, probably not. However, don’t expect the government or myself, to help you out if we do have a Y2k problem. The government won’t be able to and I will shoot anyone that tries to take what I have. Bill

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Hark! The Pollyanna’s Pollyanna! It is all a dream and the world is not really spending billions to work on the problem! But they are idiot. grow up and smell the coffee or thou shalt become extinct. |What’s with all you people. You seem to be running |around like headless chickens, lost it completely, |shit scared. | |Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. |It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow |up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens |your country is going to need at that time if a majority |of people think like you. | |YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called |2YK thing. | |

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What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

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What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared.

No…that will describe the people who continue to ignore the serious implications of the problem. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds.

Really?  Why don’t you get a hold of Bob Bennett and let him know.  While you’re at it, bring the Red Cross and FEMA up to speed on your facts. I’ll bet they’ll feel pretty sheepish when they realize that their preparation advice was a product of their miniscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you.

Huh?  If I am understanding this post correctly, you are telling this NG to act sensibly and responsibly if, indeed, Y2k does come to pass. And yet, it’s foolish to prepare our families and loved ones for a possible emergency. Huh? YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

No…the problems have already been created.  And it’s a _documented_ problem, not a *thing* (the proper abbreviation is *Y2k* not *2YK*). Do some research, Maurice.  Check out what the government has to say.  Take a look at the web sites for the Red Cross and for FEMA.  The public is being told to prepare for *possible* interruptions in service (heat & electricity), *NOT* for any problems that *WE* are going to create.  Again, *we* didn’t create this problem, we are reacting to it. Madness A prudent man foresees the dangers ahead and takes precautions, the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.  Proverbs 22:3

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Thank you.  I believe the same, I am not saying to run for the hills or dig a hole in your back yard and hide in it for the rest of the year, just  buy extra batteries, a couple extra cans of soup etc etc….. If nothing happens great if something does ( not only y2k but a tornado, flood hurricane.) you will be better off for haveing done so.      ED

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Ignorance is a wonderful thing, you must be one of the happiest folks on earth… Researched this 2yk thing in depth did you, can’t even type it right.  Its Y2K stupid… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

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What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

  No, they will simply be eating, whether things are fine, or things   are terrible.   You, too, will be eating. If things are fine.    Irv

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IQ 138. Yours?

I am not in the habit of publicising this but, since you ask, 140.

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That’s right, no problem.  Please send your food and water to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s with all you people. You seem to be running around like headless chickens, lost it completely, shit scared. Get it into your heads THERE IS NO 2YK problem. It’s all in your minuscule minds. For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing.

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where exactly did you get your information? enlighten my minuscule mind

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I will shoot anyone that tries to take what I have. Bill

I know you’ll do all you can to keep yourself and your loved ones alive and and as happy as possible for as long as possible, but you have to admit that for every force, there is an equal force somewhere else. It must be admitted that you’ll shoot anyone who tries to take what you have, unless someone trying to take what you have shoots you first. I’m not criticizing you.  I’m simply pointing out the fact of the situation. The Y2K problem would be a lot less dangerous if all we had to worry about was death from starvation, weather elements, and disease.  To the extent that people will steal from and kill each other, we increase our problems many-fold. Basically, I’m saying that it would be better if everyone who is prepared to kill for survival would simply prepare in silence, and not state the fact of what they are prepared to do.

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good advise stephanie! keep your business to yourself, and tell everyone that Y2K is a joke. Jesus once told his apostles (paraphrased) that if the people didn’t want to hear what they had to say – move on. there is no point in trying to convince anyone anymore, Y2K is now on EVERY news broadcast. my father-in-law is a rather bigwig (project manager type) for a major computer manufacturer, his company has Y2K plans, but he has none. my wife & i just shrug & say ‘what can you do’, we have no plans either…                                    WhiteWolf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will shoot anyone that tries to take what I have. Bill I know you’ll do all you can to keep yourself and your loved ones alive and and as happy as possible for as long as possible, but you have to admit that for every force, there is an equal force somewhere else. It must be admitted that you’ll shoot anyone who tries to take what you have, unless someone trying to take what you have shoots you first. I’m not criticizing you.  I’m simply pointing out the fact of the situation. The Y2K problem would be a lot less dangerous if all we had to worry about was death from starvation, weather elements, and disease.  To the extent that people will steal from and kill each other, we increase our problems many-fold. Basically, I’m saying that it would be better if everyone who is prepared to kill for survival would simply prepare in silence, and not state the fact of what they are prepared to do.

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For Pete’s sake grow up and act like the sensible and responsible citizens your country is going to need at that time if a majority of people think like you. Huh?  If I am understanding this post correctly, you are telling this NG to act sensibly and responsibly if, indeed, Y2k does come to pass. And yet, it’s foolish to prepare our families and loved ones for a possible emergency. Huh?

I think he is saying that individual preparation is more than just foolish, but also childish, un-partiotic and possibly harmful to the more "sensible" creatures inhabiting this neck of the woods.   It the party line of the socialist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YOU are going to CREATE the problems not a so-called 2YK thing. No…the problems have already been created.  And it’s a _documented_ problem, not a *thing* (the proper abbreviation is *Y2k* not *2YK*). Do some research, Maurice.  Check out what the government has to say.  Take a look at the web sites for the Red Cross and for FEMA.  The public is being told to prepare for *possible* interruptions in service (heat & electricity), *NOT* for any problems that *WE* are going to create.  Again, *we* didn’t create this problem, we are reacting to it. Madness A prudent man foresees the dangers ahead and takes precautions, the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.  Proverbs 22:3

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I’ve got an IQ of 154, if you are to believe that particular test–it was good enough for Mensa.  Plus I’ve got a couple of respectable degrees and a really great job to back it up.  A job in the computer business, not incidentally. A few points: 1.  My firm is making Y2K plans and will not do business with companies it deems unprepared. 2.  Much of our Fortune 500 business, in both the management consulting and accounting/audit areas, isthe result of these humongous companies replacing antiquated, non-Y2K compliant software with SAP, PeopleSoft, or what have you, to the tune of $40-80 million a pop… 3.  I’ve spent about $2000 on supplies/equipment for mild-to-moderate survival scenarios this past year.  That is about 2% of my gross income. By way of comparison, I spend about that same $2000 on car insurance I never use! To me, it makes sense to spend a few discretionary dollars on a (primarily) one-time purchase of various pieces of equipment that have inherent utility. In fact, it makes more sense than gambling with State Farm Mutual that I won’t kill myself while tooling down the highway…  After all, the odds are that I will never see a tangible benefit; had it been otherwise, they would not have underwritten my policy claiming me a "bad risk". Finally, IT IS MY MONEY AND MY LIFE.  HOW I LIVE IT IS UP TO ME AND ME ALONE, SO LONG AS I HARM NO ONE.  If you do not want to hear what I have to say, it is very simple:  do not read my (our) posts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IQ 138. Yours? I am not in the habit of publicising this but, since you ask, 140. Then they must have mixed up the tests, because, Maurice, unless you are completely without any sense, you must have noticed that millions of people are taking this event *quite* seriously, and are spending *billions* attempting to fix it. So, Mr. IQ 140, enlighten me. — ==== Got Mead? Vicky meadwench, mommy, computer geek http://www.mindspring.com/~rcci/vicky What about Y2K? Find out more at http://www.utne.com/y2k/index.html

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if the people didn’t want to hear what they had to say – move on. there is no point in trying to convince anyone anymore, Y2K is now on EVERY news broadcast.

How true. I recently sent information on Y2K and preparation to various out-of-state relatives and close friends…especially those who live alone and may need to make special plans. I expected some phone calls with questions, but heard only from one sister and one friend. The rest probably didn’t even read the stuff. I have tried talking with family members and basically get a "we must humor her" response. So I have given up. I’ve done my part. I am turning my attention to making our home (husband & me, plus my elderly mother whom we will bring here) as safe and as prepared as we can make it. We’ll still try to help those who might need information or assistance, but I’ve given up trying to wake them up. A neighbor got ticked off with me when I gave his wife (an old friend I’ve known for many years) some Y2K info and a copy of the Red Cross alert. Nothing extreme…actually pretty lightweight stuff. She hadn’t even heard of Y2K. He was upset at me because it "got her all worried". DUH!  This week the same guy just spent mega-bucks on a fancy new "midlife crisis" sportscar. I doubt that they’ve spent a cent on preparation. Cora

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IQ 138. Yours? I am not in the habit of publicising this but, since you ask, 140.

Then they must have mixed up the tests, because, Maurice, unless you are completely without any sense, you must have noticed that millions of people are taking this event *quite* seriously, and are spending *billions* attempting to fix it. So, Mr. IQ 140, enlighten me. — ==== Got Mead? Vicky meadwench, mommy, computer geek http://www.mindspring.com/~rcci/vicky What about Y2K? Find out more at http://www.utne.com/y2k/index.html

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good advise stephanie! keep your business to yourself, and tell everyone that Y2K is a joke. Jesus once told his apostles (paraphrased) that if the people didn’t want to hear what they had to say – move on. there is no point in trying to convince anyone anymore, Y2K is now on EVERY news broadcast. my father-in-law is a rather bigwig (project manager type) for a major computer manufacturer, his company has Y2K plans, but he has none. my wife & i just shrug & say ‘what can you do’, we have no plans either…

how do you know that he isn’t doing the same as you and denying his own plans?– The first law of the jungle: "You can have anything you can get- for as long as you are able to keep it"

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