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: The Washington Times opines on Fuckface’s real feelings about high gas : prices: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040524-090323-6885r.htm : :     While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of :     gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee, :     has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy :     problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by :     high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his :     heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political :     payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in :     gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – keyword  * if * :  would be :     silently welcoming the upward trend.  Like Bush and Cheny?  that *really* sux : : And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through : his teeth.  better than out his ass like the alternative : It’s worth the read.  : : From http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php?id=P3041 : : — : Greg : :

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= bullshit, as proven by… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by high gasoline prices. "

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Washington Times opines on Fuckface’s real feelings about high gas prices: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040524-090323-6885r.htm    While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of    gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,    has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy    problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by    high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his    heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political    payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in    gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be    silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth.

Isn’t Kerry the one that was advocating an additional 50 cents tax per gallon back when gas was oh, about 50 cents a gallon cheaper? Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s worth the read. From http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php?id=P3041

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get a fucking life already, sheesh

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Washington Times opines on Fuckface’s real feelings about high gas prices: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040524-090323-6885r.htm    While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of    gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,    has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy    problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by    high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his    heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political    payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in    gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be    silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth. Isn’t Kerry the one that was advocating an additional 50 cents tax per gallon back when gas was oh, about 50 cents a gallon cheaper?

Taxing gas makes sense… just as other addictive substances are generally taxed heavily (alchohol, tobacco, etc).  It would be one way to force people to start conserving and to force the building of more efficient and cleaner vehicles.  Would help with the environment.  One philosophy about taxes is to tax whatever you want to discourage. Certainly the wasteful and polluting use of fossil fuels could fall under that category. Of course the one thing it wouldn’t help would be oil company profits.

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Taxing gas and oil company gouging are two different topics.  Oil company profits are at record highs at the moment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Washington Times opines on Fuckface’s real feelings about high gas prices: http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040524-090323-6885r.htm    While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of    gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,    has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy    problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by    high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his    heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political    payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in    gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be    silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth. Isn’t Kerry the one that was advocating an additional 50 cents tax per gallon back when gas was oh, about 50 cents a gallon cheaper? Ron It’s worth the read. From http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php?id=P3041

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Isn’t Kerry the one that was advocating an additional 50 cents tax per gallon back when gas was oh, about 50 cents a gallon cheaper?

Nope. You’ve got him confused with Dick Cheney who, as a congressman, advocated higher gas taxes.

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    While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of     gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,     has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy     problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by     high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his     heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political     payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in     gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be     silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth.

Do you concider gas prices to be a very important issue in this election? Tommy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of     gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,     has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy     problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by     high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his     heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political     payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in     gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be     silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth. Do you concider gas prices to be a very important issue in this election? Tommy

I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of     gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,     has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy     problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by     high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his     heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political     payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in     gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be     silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth. Do you concider gas prices to be a very important issue in this election? Tommy I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it.

Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. As for whether gas prices are an election concern, I think they are.  It’s the rapid increase in price, along with the decision not to release any of the strategic reserve when we’re at record high levels of reserve that becomes the issue.  But if there wasn’t a war, there’s be less uncertainty and lower prices.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     While scoring a few rhetorical points by demagoging the price of     gasoline, John Kerry, the Democrats’ presumptive presidential nominee,     has offered no serious policy proposals to resolve current energy     problems. In fact, we rather doubt that Mr. Kerry is truly offended by     high gasoline prices. Like all excessively green thinkers, deep in his     heart he loves sky-high fossil-fuel prices. Were there no political     payoff to be pocketed by boisterously exploiting the current run-up in     gasoline prices, Mr. Kerry – if his past is any guide – would be     silently welcoming the upward trend. And the writer then shows exactly why Fuckface, as usual, is lying through his teeth. Do you concider gas prices to be a very important issue in this election? Tommy I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it. Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. As for whether gas prices are an election concern, I think they are.  It’s the rapid increase in price, along with the decision not to release any of the strategic reserve when we’re at record high levels of reserve that becomes the issue.  But if there wasn’t a war, there’s be less uncertainty and lower prices.

The reserve exists against emergencies not as a buffer for prices. Given the present world, I think we should keep it topped off. Ron

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The reserve exists against emergencies not as a buffer for prices. Given the present world, I think we should keep it topped off. Ron

Yeah, and find some place to put some extra. — Dr. Nuketopia Sorry, no e-Mail. Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.

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I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it.

But do we need cheaper gas? We pay about twice as much for gas compared to the US. and that makes people think twice before they buy a huge car, that burns much more gas than they really need. Let’s think about the future, and make sure that the gas lasts as long as possible, and that the environment don’t suffer more than necassery Tommy

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Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days.

Do you need a car that gets only 12 MPG? And do you really need a "fun" car? I think that’s what many people find kind of hilarious about America. The big issues in the election are usually about making sure that everyone can continue their care free, easy living, fun loving lifestyle. The bigger issues, don’t seem to concern the masses…. Seems the general voter thinks: "I don’t care about the environment, the poverty in my country or how they’re gonna get gas in the future, as long as I can drive around in my two huge cars, and sit by the pool relaxing.".. Tommy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. Do you need a car that gets only 12 MPG? And do you really need a "fun" car? I think that’s what many people find kind of hilarious about America. The big issues in the election are usually about making sure that everyone can continue their care free, easy living, fun loving lifestyle. The bigger issues, don’t seem to concern the masses…. Seems the general voter thinks: "I don’t care about the environment, the poverty in my country or how they’re gonna get gas in the future, as long as I can drive around in my two huge cars, and sit by the pool relaxing."..

I’ll try explaining this. Everything we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserve is displayed on the sign above the pump. When the stuff gets scarce the price will go up. When it becomes more expensive than alternatives we go to the alternatives. This is simple, common sense. Ron

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it. But do we need cheaper gas? We pay about twice as much for gas compared to the US. and that makes people think twice before they buy a huge car, that burns much more gas than they really need. Let’s think about the future, and make sure that the gas lasts as long as possible, and that the environment don’t suffer more than necassery

Why should we make the gas last as long as possible? Is it doing some good being under ground? If so please advise. If we were to follow your philosophy there’d be a strategic whale oil reserve and we’d be preserving that once necessary commodity. Instead we make the best use of available resources and exploit other, often newer resources when they make more sense. Ron

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it. But do we need cheaper gas? We pay about twice as much for gas compared to the US. and that makes people think twice before they buy a huge car, that burns much more gas than they really need. Let’s think about the future, and make sure that the gas lasts as long as possible, and that the environment don’t suffer more than necassery Why should we make the gas last as long as possible? Is it doing some good being under ground? If so please advise. If we were to follow your philosophy there’d be a strategic whale oil reserve and we’d be preserving that once necessary commodity. Instead we make the best use of available resources and exploit other, often newer resources when they make more sense.

Conservation makes sense, unless you are so selfish as to only think about your own immediate needs and want to ignore the problems you are creating in the future.  Maybe you don’t have any kids & so can’t relate to the concept of future generations.  In addition, practicing conservation would help keep oil demand and prices down… supply & demand.  Not to mention burning less is a huge plus for the environment… oh I forgot, conservatives don’t care about the environment.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. Do you need a car that gets only 12 MPG? And do you really need a "fun" car? I think that’s what many people find kind of hilarious about America. The big issues in the election are usually about making sure that everyone can continue their care free, easy living, fun loving lifestyle. The bigger issues, don’t seem to concern the masses…. Seems the general voter thinks: "I don’t care about the environment, the poverty in my country or how they’re gonna get gas in the future, as long as I can drive around in my two huge cars, and sit by the pool relaxing.".. I’ll try explaining this. Everything we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserve is displayed on the sign above the pump. When the stuff gets scarce the price will go up.

duh. When it becomes more expensive than alternatives we go to the alternatives.

Why wait until then to start planning? — It’s stupidly shortsighted. We’ve seen this dependence on foriegn energy since the 70s, and have had a generation to prepare for it.  Since Reagan to the present we’ve done squat. This is simple, common sense.

It’s even more sensible to plan for the future by having a real energy policy… it would keep away sharp spikes in the price of oil that will continue to screw up the world’s economy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. Do you need a car that gets only 12 MPG? And do you really need a "fun" car? I think that’s what many people find kind of hilarious about America. The big issues in the election are usually about making sure that everyone can continue their care free, easy living, fun loving lifestyle. The bigger issues, don’t seem to concern the masses…. Seems the general voter thinks: "I don’t care about the environment, the poverty in my country or how they’re gonna get gas in the future, as long as I can drive around in my two huge cars, and sit by the pool relaxing.".. I’ll try explaining this. Everything we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserve is displayed on the sign above the pump. When the stuff gets scarce the price will go up. When it becomes more expensive than alternatives we go to the alternatives. This is simple, common sense.

Common sense to wait until it’s too late? Why wait for oil to get scarce? So the oil men in the whitey house and their corporate fiendish friends can rape the shit out of everybody with sky fucking high prices just before it gets completely depleted? What’s wrong with NOW doing some R&D for *non-polluting* alternatives? You know MoeRonic, it’s twerps with your banal and anal mentality who love to wallow in stagnant stubborness and do your damnest to prevent anything progressive from taking place. If only you unelvolved, untranscended simians would just fucking die off, maybe some progress for the betterment of ALL humankind could be developed. Fuck off, ape! KABONG!~!~!~

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I for one really don’t. Gasoline is still cheaper than bottled water here by half. And roughly half of that cost is tax, so IMO any politician that runs on that issue is at least somewhat hypocritical. Need cheaper gas….lower the taxes on it. But do we need cheaper gas? We pay about twice as much for gas compared to the US. and that makes people think twice before they buy a huge car, that burns much more gas than they really need. Let’s think about the future, and make sure that the gas lasts as long as possible, and that the environment don’t suffer more than necassery Why should we make the gas last as long as possible? Is it doing some good being under ground? If so please advise.

You absolutely have no idea why that dinosaur juice was there to begin with or what could happen to the Earth once it’s completely depleted. It could be there for reasons no one would ever know even if far-fetched. The results could be disastrous, you don’t know. Then again, maybe there will not be any after-effects, but you don’t know that either. But to blindly consume some natural resource to depletion without analyzing possible outcomes sounds stupid and irresponsible to me. If we were to follow your philosophy there’d be a strategic whale oil reserve and we’d be preserving that once necessary commodity. Instead we make the best use of available resources and exploit other, often newer resources when they make more sense.

Brilliant! No need to think like a conservationist, investigate any cause and effects of complete depletions of resources, make any attempts of inventing new efficient ways to use the present resources or develop new resources. Yep, let’s just go hog wild and eat it up, consume it up, pollute it out. Fuck it, who cares what the outcome may be, just as long as we can live our lives with veneered luxury and superficial opulence while the Earth turns to shit. Excellent ape-like thinking, MoRonic. KABONG!~!~!~

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Accounting for inflation, we’ve been spoiled by "cheap gas" over the last few years.  Since my main car gets about 12 MPG, and my "fun" car burns premium, I hope we return to those days. Do you need a car that gets only 12 MPG?

Yes, unless you’d like to replace my old Mercedes with a new one that gets better mileage . And do you really need a "fun" car?

Most definitely! I think that’s what many people find kind of hilarious about America. The big issues in the election are usually about making sure that everyone can continue their care free, easy living, fun loving lifestyle. The bigger issues, don’t seem to concern the masses…. Seems the general voter thinks: "I don’t care about the environment, the poverty in my country or how they’re gonna get gas in the future, as long as I can drive around in my two huge cars, and sit by the pool relaxing.".. Tommy

Tommy, I do care about the environment, but the fact of the matter is that I drive MUCH less than the average driver.  My office is about 2 miles away.  My car is very clean burning.  I pollute MUCH less, and burn MUCH less gas than your average driver.

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I’ll try explaining this. Everything we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserve is displayed on the sign above the pump. When the stuff gets scarce the price will go up. When it becomes more expensive than alternatives we go to the alternatives. This is simple, common sense.

Tax on gas does not always have anything to do with the state of the oil reserve. Higher taxes makes people drive less, and drive cars that don’t drink so much gas. That’s a good thing, isn’t it? Tommy

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Tommy, I do care about the environment, but the fact of the matter is that I drive MUCH less than the average driver.  My office is about 2 miles away. My car is very clean burning.  I pollute MUCH less, and burn MUCH less gas than your average driver.

You DRIVE 2 miles to work? Don’t you have a bike, or legs? You just proved my point… Tommy

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Why should we make the gas last as long as possible? Is it doing some good being under ground? If so please advise.

Because having oil under ground, makes it last longer! And when it lasts longer, future generations (yes, there will be generations after this) will be able to use gas and oil. If we were to follow your philosophy there’d be a strategic whale oil reserve and we’d be preserving that once necessary commodity. Instead we make the best use of available resources and exploit other, often newer resources when they make more sense.

We have a whale oil reserve. We make sure we don’t kill too many whales, so that they disapears from the earth. But there is one big difference between whales and mineral oil. Whales takes a few years to "renew", while oil takes millions of years to make, and that makes it a non-renewable recource. By the way: Why keep money in the bank? Why not just spend it all today? Tommy

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I’ll try explaining this. Everything we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserve is displayed on the sign above the pump. When the stuff gets scarce the price will go up. When it becomes more expensive than alternatives we go to the alternatives. This is simple, common sense.

We’re at least partly in agreement here, for once, Ron. But I’d like to clarify a little: Some of what we need to know about the state of the world’s oil reserves is indicated by the price above the pump, which reflects general understanding about current levels of delivery, how much they cost to maintain, and how long they can be sustained. However, given that that general understanding might shift very rapidly – with very serious consequences for industrialized society – we might want to know a little more than that…. We will start looking at alternatives when the prices start going up. However, the amount of time required to build alternative solutions to avoid a major breakdown in industrial society may be much higher than we then have available. Also, given that it will require energy to build those alternative systems, the rising price of oil may serve to price out implementing those alternatives as they become desirable. What a bummer that would be!

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The teflon V.P. —

snipped At the very least, couldn’t we have a Dr. Phil show with George W. and Dick the Prick – with Georgie Porgie telling Dr. Phil that he just doesn’t trust him like he used to, and Dr. Phil could put the trust back in their relationship. And we could send Colin Powell for celebrity makeover – where he would get Lasik eye surgery so that he could tell the difference between flat bed trucks and mobile truck mounted rocket launchers in grainy satellite photographs. Any other ideas? Doug Thomas

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The teflon V.P. — snipped At the very least, couldn’t we have a Dr. Phil show with George W. and Dick the Prick – with Georgie Porgie telling Dr. Phil that he just doesn’t trust him like he used to, and Dr. Phil could put the trust back in their relationship. And we could send Colin Powell for celebrity makeover – where he would get Lasik eye surgery so that he could tell the difference between flat bed trucks and mobile truck mounted rocket launchers in grainy satellite photographs. Any other ideas? Doug Thomas

From the look on Cheney’s face as well as Condi Rice’s and the other Bush Gangbangers during the SOTU speech, they all know they’re gong to jail. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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The teflon V.P.

As opposed to a teflon facilitator? steve

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The teflon V.P. Updated: 04:25 AM EST Halliburton Tells Pentagon Workers Took Kickbacks By NEIL KING JR., Wall Street Journal WASHINGTON (Jan. 23) — Halliburton Co. has told the Pentagon that two employees took kickbacks valued at up to $6 million in return for awarding a Kuwaiti-based company with lucrative work supplying U.S. troops in Iraq.   The disclosure is the first firm indication of corruption involving U.S.-funded projects in Iraq and raises new questions about Halliburton’s dealings there. The company’s work already is being scrutinized because of accusations that the U.S. government was overcharged for gasoline under another controversial contract. Halliburton has strenuously defended its Iraq work as fairly priced and free of taint. A discovery of kickbacks could expose the company to hefty fines and other punishments such as potential fraud charges. At the least, contracting experts say, Halliburton will be required to reimburse the money. Any blow could be softened by the fact that Halliburton itself disclosed the misconduct to the Pentagon inspector general’s office this week. That disclosure came just days after the top Defense Department auditor asked the office to investigate whether Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root overcharged for fuel deliveries by more than $61 million.   The latest revelation, though, is sure to increase the already intense scrutiny Halliburton has received from congressional Democrats, some of whom charge that the Houston-based company benefited from political favoritism in securing lucrative work in Iraq. The news also is likely to further raise suspicions abroad that Iraq reconstruction work is largely benefiting U.S. companies and their employees. Vice President Dick Cheney, who was chairman of Halliburton until he left in 2000, defended the company Wednesday in a Fox Radio Network interview. "They get unfairly maligned simply because of their past association with me," he said. Halliburton stressed that it promptly told the Pentagon of the problem. "The key issue here is self-disclosure and self-reporting," a Halliburton spokeswoman said. "Halliburton internal auditors found the irregularity, which is a violation of our company’s philosophy, policy and our code of ethics. We found it quickly, and we immediately reported it to the inspector general. We do not tolerate this kind of behavior by anyone at any level in any Halliburton company." A company statement said the payments were "detected through the company’s internal control procedures." The company has fired the two employees, who were based in Kuwait and whose names were not disclosed. Halliburton said it could not discuss specifics of the matter because of a Pentagon review. KBR is now repairing Iraqi oil fields and supplying everything from food and laundry services to housing for U.S. troops and coalition officials in Iraq under two huge contracts valued at up to $16 billion. That work has so far cost nearly $6 billion, well over twice what has gone to all of the other 40 U.S. contractors in Iraq, according to government records. In all, the U.S. has so far funded a total of about $9 billion in Iraqi reconstruction costs, and expects to award contracts valued at another $18.6 billion. Both the congressional general accounting office and the Pentagon are now completing large-scale investigations of all U.S.-funded reconstruction work in Iraq. The alleged kickbacks involve the same KBR contracting office in Kuwait that handled the controversial gasoline contract. The Pentagon inspector general’s office received the disclosure while conducting its own review to decide whether to open a criminal investigation into the gasoline contract. Pentagon officials decline to comment on the status of that investigation. The current accusations do not involve the gasoline contract. Instead, the Kuwaiti company is said to have paid kickbacks to the KBR officials after winning lucrative subcontracts to help supply U.S. troops in Iraq under what’s known as KBR’s LogCap contract. U.S. officials declined to provide specifics on the subcontracts involved or the name of the company implicated in the payoffs. Halliburton said in a statement that its disclosure of what it called a "potential overcharge" was a sign of its "diligence" in managing its Iraq contracts. "KBR will ensure that questionable charges will be credited to the government and will seek recovery from the offending subcontractor." Halliburton negotiated its current LogCap contract with a very thin profit margin of 1% over costs. It has a maximum bonus of an added 2% available if it delivers the needed services in an expeditious way. But under these so-called cost-plus arrangements, companies have little incentive to rein in costs or to assure that they pick the most competitive subcontractors, since the higher the costs, the higher the profit. The disclosure comes as Pentagon documents continue to raise broader questions about KBR’s financial controls in Iraq. A previously undisclosed Jan. 13 memorandum from a branch office of the Defense Contract Audit Agency labels as "inadequate" KBR’s system for accurately estimating the cost of ongoing work in order to justify payments. The memo was sent to various Army contracting officials. The Pentagon has had to reject two huge proposed bills from KBR, including one for $2.7 billion, because of myriad "deficiencies," the memo says. "We consider [the company's] estimates in the area of subcontracts to be inadequate," the memo says. The agency is now auditing proposed KBR bills totaling $2.1 billion, the memo says. Pentagon auditors last month said that KBR’s Kuwaiti supplier, Altanmia Commercial Marketing Co., was charging the U.S. almost double the market price for gasoline. Auditors said the overcharging amounted to $61 million through September, and as much as $20 million a month since then. The Army Corps defended the company’s hiring of Altanmia in a lengthy Jan. 6 report. The report said KBR had "urgent and compelling needs" to use the Kuwaiti supplier, even at significantly higher prices than other potential suppliers. Still, Pentagon officials are likely to home in on the circumstances under which KBR hired Altanmia. The Army Corps report says KBR picked Altanmia on May 5 after making phone calls to just two other bidders. Officials say there is no indication of kickbacks involving Altanmia. A number of anonymous whistleblowers have come forward in recent weeks with often-detailed allegations of KBR wrongdoing in Kuwait, including accusations of paybacks from companies that received lucrative subcontracting work from KBR, according to U.S. officials and congressional sources. These reports in turn have been taken up by the Pentagon’s IG office. The Pentagon’s fuel unit, the Defense Energy Support Center, solicited bids Thursday for three fuel-delivery contracts meant to replace the work that KBR is now performing. KBR officials have said for months that they wanted out of the work, which they described as dangerous and not very profitable. Copyright

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Hello all, I would really like to know what you think the biggest problem is with the bookkeeping side of the industry…is it the lack of training, certification, or do you have a different opinion?  The Canadian Bookkeepers Association is working on solving some of the industry’s problems with "bookkeeping", and I would love your input!  Thanks in advance! C. Morash Membership Director CBA

After a 25 year career in hi-tech gone bottoms-up I have been considering for some months getting into accounting. I have already taken the accounting basics in college and without really trying I faired well at the courses… at least at the beginning and intermediate level. There was a time when I was strongly considering following the CIB certification program that would lead to the CB – Certified Bookkeeper designation. There doesn’t appear to be any demand for the CB designation within the workplace. After more months of thought and speaking with those in the industry I have now changed my mind and decided to initially study a little further and obtain the 1 year accounting certificate. After this I can expect with some reasonable confidence to obtain more than a plain bookkeeping position, not only that but the doors are open towards future study based on that foundation. As the last fellow in accounting I spoke with told me, just about everyone and their grandmother can claim to be a bookkeeper and get the job. Going just a little beyond the bookkeeper level in terms of education opens many more doors and prepares one for a future of further study should they decide to pursue that. The big problem as I see it is that many places only need a part-time bookkeeper, so the option there is to get on with a bigger accounting firm that takes in this kind of work. However, then my problem would be being forever stuck at the bottom of the heap as it were… but by taking a few more courses I have some hope of moving a bit beyond… particulary if I continue my accounting education once I am employed in the field. Just my thoughts at the moment. I always welcome input to assist me with my decisions. — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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Hello all, I would really like to know what you think the biggest problem is with the bookkeeping side of the industry…is it the lack of training, certification, or do you have a different opinion?  The Canadian Bookkeepers Association is working on solving some of the industry’s problems with "bookkeeping", and I would love your input!  Thanks in advance! C. Morash Membership Director CBA

why do think there is a problem?   are there declining numbers of bookkeepers?    less salaries for bookkeepers?  or is there a decline in your membership rolls ?

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Hello all, I would really like to know what you think the biggest problem is with the bookkeeping side of the industry…is it the lack of training, certification, or do you have a different opinion?  The Canadian Bookkeepers Association is working on solving some of the industry’s problems with "bookkeeping", and I would love your input!  Thanks in advance! C. Morash Membership Director CBA

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1) armies gathered at armageddon (mid-east,oil=means of production+conventional war) 2) the way will be made for Kings of The East ( Arabs tending to give east more access to oil since west is oppressing them, capitalists think individualism can have precedence over communism, in a community, Kings of the East are communist) 3) The Queen of the South will rise in judgement (the third world is aligning itself with calls for ji-had against western capitalists who exploit their natural resources and pay them not even enough to eat) 4) there has been a rapture of innocent Jews 5) Isiah’s vision of Israel rebuilt is fulfilled 6) Ezekiel’s vision of metal monstrosities in terms of flying war machines exist 7) nuc-lear war can result in 1/3 of literally all of the earth being destroyed unless a potent savior comes, 1/3 destruction will bring no sobreity to capitalists 9) potency must be something that renders nuc-lear weapons impotent 10) indeed there will be a second death when the sun burns out 11) certainly a devil or demon is someone who thinks individualism can haveprecedence over communism, in a community 12) certainly a beast is an entity who has an inSATiable (SATan) stomach of individualistic desires and the mark of the beast is inSATiability, endless sickness (six-ness) 666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 13) what deity would not bring temperment to those who think individualism has precedence over communism, in a community? 14) will not such precedence always result in fruitless war, and hasn’t it been the very cause of every war? 15) is it not inevitable that an inSATiable capitalist will press the nuc-lear button at some point? Bush has already elucidated scenarios where he will use nuc-lear weapons preemptively 16) Iraq controls 20% of the world’s oil and we are backing them into corners with regard to their sovereignty along with most Arab countries, the Arabs have something to bargain with in terms of means of production and conventional war, at least we can say those countries having a distaste for capitalistic individualism taking precedence over communism, will not stand by idly and watch capitalists disturb the balance of such means 17) where are the bombs pointed? 18) how can capitalists be so arrogant? 19) certainly they must be devilish spirits who are not bound to this manifestation of they would have sobreity with respect their own potential suffering 20) when you see lack of sobreity in this regard such as Bush creating revelry around warmongering and saber-rattling, we must point it out in hopes of a political solution — My solution to the world’s problems? www.mysolution.ws Average Joe – chat with me live on my site

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when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at. the secretary general of the UN fits this definition

The Messiah is a Globalist ???

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when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at. the secretary general of the UN fits this definition The Messiah is a Globalist ???

I would think so.

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when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at.

If He was what He is claimed to be then He would have descended from heaven in the first place – think about it – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the secretary general of the UN fits this definition I didn’t know he had a band.

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The Messiah is a Globalist ???

certainly the Messiah of the globe is, perhaps you are looking for some kind of Messiah geared toward your individualistic ideosyncrasies

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the secretary general of the UN fits this definition The Messiah is a Globalist ???

the Jehovah’s witnesses are critical of the UN, they say it will be the new world order of the antichrist, I can only say global democracy is the very spirit of Christ — My solution to the world’s problems? www.mysolution.ws Average Joe – chat with me live on my site

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when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at.

the secretary general of the UN fits this definition

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when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at. the secretary general of the UN fits this definition

I didn’t know he had a band.

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Yes Christ will return in a space ship,in the latest model,with leather upholstery,and interstellar drive,multi-dimensional control as standard,but it is possibble he could just go for the latest Caddilac,with air conditioning,power steering,electric windows as standard. Seriously the messiah is the King of Kings,leader of leaders,when you see a man leading leaders and kings then you will know that he is the messiah,his job is to lead all kinds of leaders,political leaders,religious leaders,famous rock stars and actors and famous people who are leaders of what they are good at. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1) armies gathered at armageddon (mid-east,oil=means of production+conventional war) 2) the way will be made for Kings of The East ( Arabs tending to give east more access to oil since west is oppressing them, capitalists think individualism can have precedence over communism, in a community, Kings of the East are communist) 3) The Queen of the South will rise in judgement (the third world is aligning itself with calls for ji-had against western capitalists who exploit their natural resources and pay them not even enough to eat) 4) there has been a rapture of innocent Jews 5) Isiah’s vision of Israel rebuilt is fulfilled 6) Ezekiel’s vision of metal monstrosities in terms of flying war machines exist 7) nuc-lear war can result in 1/3 of literally all of the earth being destroyed unless a potent savior comes, 1/3 destruction will bring no sobreity to capitalists 9) potency must be something that renders nuc-lear weapons impotent 10) indeed there will be a second death when the sun burns out 11) certainly a devil or demon is someone who thinks individualism can haveprecedence over communism, in a community 12) certainly a beast is an entity who has an inSATiable (SATan) stomach of individualistic desires and the mark of the beast is inSATiability, endless sickness (six-ness) 666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 13) what deity would not bring temperment to those who think individualism has precedence over communism, in a community? 14) will not such precedence always result in fruitless war, and hasn’t it been the very cause of every war? 15) is it not inevitable that an inSATiable capitalist will press the nuc-lear button at some point? Bush has already elucidated scenarios where he will use nuc-lear weapons preemptively 16) Iraq controls 20% of the world’s oil and we are backing them into corners with regard to their sovereignty along with most Arab countries, the Arabs have something to bargain with in terms of means of production and conventional war, at least we can say those countries having a distaste for capitalistic individualism taking precedence over communism, will not stand by idly and watch capitalists disturb the balance of such means 17) where are the bombs pointed? 18) how can capitalists be so arrogant? 19) certainly they must be devilish spirits who are not bound to this manifestation of they would have sobreity with respect their own potential suffering 20) when you see lack of sobreity in this regard such as Bush creating revelry around warmongering and saber-rattling, we must point it out in hopes of a political solution

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1) armies gathered at armageddon (mid-east,oil=means of production+conventional war)

Ya ya, I’m here friend. Now what are you expecting to be written before I can speak as a person? Take a gander at this following paper, and tell me honestly what you think about my image. Or maybe, what you think we might or could do, to better ourselves as everyone. — From below: In It for US "Your either with US as equals under a rule of law as Universal Justice, or your a mindless slave whore Sacrificing your soul for bush, the anti-Christ, who will as he continues, stealing and murdering from our families without any good reason, or provocations as evil incarnate he is to US all." (Just another of those Youisms from Johnny, the Lord.) Then, a little later, some scribbles on the nazi terrorist Jew hater, that super evil mass murdering lifeless lump of waste byproduct, the leach whom we all know so well truly as a parasite of life’s will to steal ourselves from God as plundered, the stenching, blood soaked monster, henry kissing.. er.. ariel sharon: "How can killing, torturing, and [then] destroying the homes of [US] innocent civilians be considered anything but, terrorism?" Hey, what do you say in stopping them hurting US, by destroying them both American Patriot?, as we now let ourselves sort it out in the here after? Eh? Wake up friend… Then even further, don’t miss, the highly anticipated, "Corporate Street Gangs – Monsanto" that lists the ACTUAL individual people never mentioned by CNN, who perpetrate those hanious crimes against the American Public, and who have so far, escaped incarceration as multi-millionaire corporate successes. Again, none of any words world wide bare contention against the facts we’ve brought to our attention. The traitors to America, Our Mr. bush Jr. and rotten rumsfeld don’t mention the willingness of American Soldiers to apprehend general Ahmad as the principle terrorist funder of Atta, because this general is also responsible for developing the bushmob strategy of killing Americans in New York City from Washington. A strategy of blaming bin Laden without any evidence to bomb Afghanistan for Enron. (The Dahbol Working Group.) Then closing criminal investigations, as it’s not important to know who personally was responsible for the insider trades, or the contacting of only Odigo. Never mentioned by CNN as top priority to American soldier concerns, who are expected by Blitzer and Hemmer to throw away their lives in sacrifice unthinking to bush, america’s false deity, super evil anti-Christ.  While bush and cheney threaten to murder more dumb Americans who would dare to articulate the demand for Justice as our own, like Laden has, while demanding American Patriots cower in fear of the sadistic savage mass murdering death squad leader, tommy franks, or the anti-Christ going out to kill their family too as not represented by corporate policy, while American soldier families are continually disrespected as unworthy. (Generally, they are pretty damn stoopid, but certainly, if they’re not knowingly committing first degree murders for the anti-Christ as pure nazi filth, they should be allowed to learn, instead of having their own undefended families robbed then slaughtered for American traitor, nazi puke terrorist, tommy franks, or for Monsanto’s rotten rumsfeld.  Do you notice corporate America continues to show outdated footage of those two demons standing near smiling armed American soldiers, who as a mass of dumfuks, aren’t intelligent enough to destroy them instantly as established ememies of America as terrorists?  Well, that is going to change.  I have yet to find ANY American Soldier who is literate, who disagrees WE have some very important questions that need immediate answers before the bushmob murders more Americans in Our name.  See for yourself through Google if you don’t believe in Christ as the Redeemer. As for the doubting American Soldier, LOOK, CNN will continue as cult members in their dying madness of just even lamer excuses, to convince US, we are alone in our concerns for Freedom as Justice instills for US all. This moment of History requires you to stand strong for only yourself to be represented truly among the stars. Evil stupid people can’t make heads or tails of this, but, as evil bush does truly from his dark shallow existence, will continue by open piracy, to publicly advocate in Our names the further robbing and murder of your own family American Patriot, so too, will more american nazi dumfuks die to the tune of their own cowardice to protect themselves as garnered fairly. This is why rotten rumsfeld forbids the death tally of American soldiers to be made public to the ready for enlistment as the too dumb to know better.  Life is life, and sorry to say american dumfuks, Christ on the cross is you too as a true dying American Patriot, and your already politically sitting in the bush slave whore position of hatred and injustice against Humanity and myself honestly as..  THE SON OF MAN!  (The for real, no illusion, god of God’s life/death trade barter, with a score to settle on behalf of the infinite Universe and True brave Soldiers everywhere.  KILL AMERICAN COP KILLER BUSH NOW BEFORE HE MURDERS MORE LIKE OURSELVES IN OUR NAME AS THE INNOCENT COWARDS!) THINK, if I fly down there to Washington as a simple man, and destroy the cop killing demon monsters bush, rumsfeld, cheney, and franks with my bare hands in love as the timid Jesus of folklore, while salivating, how is that going to look to the perishioners, who, God love’em, just wouldn’t understand the finer art of akeido, huh? CNN is not interested in working for American interests by asking why, as there is little of any money in just doing good for your neighbor, like saving a living, as we would wish to be helped for ourselves, if we were bound just the same to be equals at being.  Mr.  Blitzer and Bill Hemmer, as americans, wouldn’t give a dollar of your time, to speak on human rights to be of their own concern, (they’re already rich by theft without talent as dying our death by murder as not spoken for really. Just like how they refuse to report on the blatant criminal lottery operations that steal from EVERYONE.) or to save the life of an innocent poor victim, if it meant they would therefor, be compelled to honestly report on their false deity bush, corporate america’s super evil criminal to ourselves as Humanity, the unelected dictator, American cop killing anti-Christ in person!, that they so leave to see Americans sacrificed as ignored to be robbed from, as their profit margin increases, from their, holyier than thou pulpits, leaving You all to get robbed and murdered by dumb nazi scum like reject tommy franks, the terrorizing death squad leader, woman and child killer.  We’re sure CNN, as others would say, as they do regarding sharon’s murder rampages against the innocent as God, nothing. Do less for America, The dying from stupidity People, and get payed more in collateral damages paid for by doubting Patriots, now mostly too slow to stand for the American flag in protection for their own living as lost to the wind without freedom to guide their own convictions.  Mr.  bush, tommy, rumsfeld, cheney and blair give no evidence to back an american soldier’s reason, but for to show themselves as the criminals who openly harbor terrorist activity against our communities, and WE, as Humanity, according to CNN, are expected to go out and kill our family and friends in cowardice, instead of standing up to destroy the evil demon bush instead, to save our own selves as worth consideration. God, or no God, I hate that murderer bush as much as any real man would to care for his own life as family. Johnny Wizard — HTTX 2.0b Title: Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq Published on Saturday, November 30, 2002 by CommonDreams.org Material Breach: US Crimes in Iraq by Heather Wokusch D-Day of December 8th quietly approaches – the day Iraq must provide the UN Security Council with a complete accounting of its weapons programs, plus its civilian chemical/biological/nuclear production and research activities. Even though UN weapons inspectors have criticized the December 8th deadline as unrealizable, the consequences for missing it will be catastrophic: Iraq will be in "material breach" of UN resolution 1441, and therefore subject to swift and decisive military action. But at this point, UN 1441 seems little more than a whitewash pretext for a US-led attack on Iraq. With US warplanes patrolling Iraq’s no-fly zone, bombing raids against Iraq ongoing, multiple aircraft carriers on alert and 60,000 US troops currently in or around the Persian Gulf, it’s clear the war has already begun, "material breach" or not. When it’s convenient for the Bush administration, Iraq will be found to have violated some aspect of the UN resolution, and the current buildup and covert military activity will explode into an all-out attack. The justification (that Iraq’s Hussein violates international law with his weapons of mass destruction and is thus a menace to world peace) seems a bit ironic in light of US actions in Iraq these past eleven years. Case in point. Article 54 of the Geneva Conventions clearly states that destroying or rendering useless items essential to the survival of civilian populations is illegal under international law and a war crime. Hard then to explain the 1991 US bombing of electrical grids that powered 1,410 water-treatment plants for Iraq’s 22 million people. An excerpt from a 1998 US Air Force document, entitled "Strategic Attack," chillingly explains: "The electrical attacks proved extremely effective … The loss of electricity shut down the capital’s water treatment plants and led to a public health crisis from raw sewage dumped in the Tigris River." A second US Defense Intelligence … read more »

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Regardless, I won’t be in a position to take the CPA until at least 2004 anyway. My guess is that Becker’s interest in having you take the exam ASAP is because they want to get as much mileage as possible out of their current materials–plus it helps to get paid in 2003 rather than 2004 if you are in business <grin.  So their marketing materials may not be a totally unbiased source of advice about whether it makes more sense to take the exam before or after such a change takes place.

True, I also worry that for at least the first year or two after the change the study materials will not be of the quality that they are today.  I figure it will take a while before the various review companies get their new material down. — Todd Stephens

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True, I also worry that for at least the first year or two after the change the study materials will not be of the quality that they are today.

Of course, though, since the exam is generally handled on a curve that may not matter quite as much, at least unless your supplier is well behind the others <grin.  Now, how that "adjustment" is handled on the computerized exam is another issue entirely, but I suspect there will be some "fine tuning" to bring the pass level into line generally with the prior exams.  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got a mailer from Becker Conviser urging me to take the CPA before 2004 when the new computer based format goes into effect.  They say the CPA is not only changing format, but content as well with the new sections being: Auditing and attestation Financial accounting and reporting Regulation Business environment and concepts They also say that the test will put greater emphasis on research and communication skills, IT, general business knowledge, and have a MUCH broader coverage of auditing.  Is it just me, or does the AICPA seem like they are trying to muscle-out the other credentials (CMA and CIA come to mind).

… I find that very interesting. I wonder what the profession, the schools, and the AICPA’s motives are behind the change.  I can hardly wait until that time, when the inevitable exam question leak occurs, to find out how they "…emphasis on research and communication skills, IT, general business knowledge, and have a MUCH broader coverage of auditing…" — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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I just got a mailer from Becker Conviser urging me to take the CPA before 2004 when the new computer based format goes into effect.  They say the CPA is not only changing format, but content as well with the new sections being: Auditing and attestation Financial accounting and reporting Regulation Business environment and concepts They also say that the test will put greater emphasis on research and communication skills, IT, general business knowledge, and have a MUCH broader coverage of auditing.  Is it just me, or does the AICPA seem like they are trying to muscle-out the other credentials (CMA and CIA come to mind). Regardless, I won’t be in a position to take the CPA until at least 2004 anyway. — Todd Stephens

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Is it just me, or does the AICPA seem like they are trying to muscle-out the other credentials (CMA and CIA come to mind).

I doubt that is the motivation, since those credentials generally "work best" in the marketplace alongside a CPA designation.  So, in some ways, having the exams have more overlap may help, rather then hurt, the organizations pushing those credentials (that is, prepping for one helps you prep for the other). In any event, the new titles for the sections look much like the sections that I took many years ago <grin, with "business environments and concepts" being the new kid on the block.  Back when I took it, the sections were Accounting Practice, Accounting Theory, Auditing and Business Law. Regardless, I won’t be in a position to take the CPA until at least 2004 anyway.

My guess is that Becker’s interest in having you take the exam ASAP is because they want to get as much mileage as possible out of their current materials–plus it helps to get paid in 2003 rather than 2004 if you are in business <grin.  So their marketing materials may not be a totally unbiased source of advice about whether it makes more sense to take the exam before or after such a change takes place.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The last paragraph appears to sum up Slate’s view. Bush was elected on a promise to end the contradiction between presidential rhetoric and presidential rationalization. So far, all he’s done is change the subject from sex to money. While I do respect David Ray’s opinions as expressed in this thread, I also think the Democrats are presently ahead in the "political chess" aspects of this situation. In my opinion, Bush’s only possible winning move is to open the SEC records, take whatever hits he has to take, and get this problem behind him. This is particulary true if he in fact does have nothing to hide. I think you are wrong as to the best course of action.  IMHO, the best course of action would be to unleash his surrogates upon the financial dealings of the new folk’s prominent Democrats.  I am sure there is enough information available.

The liberals would scream bloody murder, the democrats would shed buckets of crocodile tears, the hard core right would squeal with joy, and the republicans would lose the next election. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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Ron, wrong + wrong does not = right. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA — If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP Key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA  B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": Delta Force Afghanistan radar North Korea cracking GAO spy bomb Honduras

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Ron, wrong + wrong does not = right.

I wouldn’t bet the farm on that old homily.   Besides, I questions your values of "right" and "wrong." — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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Ron, wrong + wrong does not = right. I wouldn’t bet the farm on that old homily.  

Me neither.  However, I have other goals in life besides maximizing the amount of foods, pleasures, and products I can grab, In other words, while you’re busy worrying about your "farm", the rest of us are worring about the cultural, social and moral health of the community around us  :-) I’d like to see humanity last a few thousand years. How about you? What kind of a future do you want to create? Todd

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The arms-length treatment of Pitt underscores a dilemma for Bush and his radioactive SEC chairman. Many Democrats and even a few Republicans have called for Pitt’s resignation because of his alleged conflicts of interest and ties to the accounting industry. There is no sign that Bush is even thinking of dropping Pitt. But whether Pitt stays or goes, he is a potential liability This is absurd. You can’t get someone who has no knowledge of the business to run the place.  It is utterly ridiculous to argue that his "ties to the accounting industry" disqualify him.  Would you hire a lawyer to be your physician?  Of course, not.

His deeply entrenched ties to the accounting profession disqualify him. There is a significant difference between "knowledge of the business" and being in the vest pocket of the ones who are supposed to be regulated. <<SNIP Maybe, but I can’t find a negative thing in that article.  Every point in it, subtle or apparent, comes across to me as a man of absolute honesty and integrity.  A great change, in my view.  I believe that this is even a story is a clear indication of the desperate political climate in which some are operating.

Every point in the preceding paragraph makes it clear that Davy is either a bald faced liar or a total buffoon. easy2000

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Yours truly happened to see GWB’s press conference on CNN. GWB did not seem more convincing about Harken Energy than his predecessor about Ms. Levinsky. Although I by no means agree with either misconduct and the latter case was greatly aggravated by the dependent federal employee status of the "counterparty", IMHO soft and hard corporate fraudsters generally do far more damage to their fellow citizens than those who indulge in illicit intimate relations. However, in contrast to most European countries, public opinion in the USofA seems to weigh the latter far more heavily than the former. But "materiality" is apparently a concept reserved for accountants. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA — If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP Key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA  B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": Qaddafi spy Delta Force GAO BATF genetic cracking security Cocaine bomb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Democrats must be loving this. Doubt it. They were involved too. Thanks for posting this. Did you see this gem? http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067870 Harken Hypocrisy Bush’s corporate ethics: Do as I say, not as I do. By William Saletan Posted Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 4:11 PM PT Thanks for the post. The last paragraph appears to sum up Slate’s view. Bush was elected on a promise to end the contradiction between presidential rhetoric and presidential rationalization. So far, all he’s done is change the subject from sex to money. While I do respect David Ray’s opinions as expressed in this thread, I also think the Democrats are presently ahead in the "political chess" aspects of this situation. In my opinion, Bush’s only possible winning move is to open the SEC records, take whatever hits he has to take, and get this problem behind him. This is particulary true if he in fact does have nothing to hide.

I think you are wrong as to the best course of action.  IMHO, the best course of action would be to unleash his surrogates upon the financial dealings of the new folk’s prominent Democrats.  I am sure there is enough information available. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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I think yo are right about the chess game. But do you think this is because the Republicans are much more guilty than the Dems, or because they are getting more airplay about their problems?

A Republican presently occupies the White House, which means the Republicans control the executive branch and are considered to be "In Power".   The Democrats are presently "Out of Power".  One of their primary functions is to hold the "In Power" crowd accountable.   The "In Power" party generally loses Congressional seats in the mid term election. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Democrats must be loving this. Doubt it. They were involved too. Thanks for posting this. Did you see this gem? http://slate.msn.com/?id=2067870 Harken Hypocrisy Bush’s corporate ethics: Do as I say, not as I do. By William Saletan Posted Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 4:11 PM PT

Thanks for the post. The last paragraph appears to sum up Slate’s view. Bush was elected on a promise to end the contradiction between presidential rhetoric and presidential rationalization. So far, all he’s done is change the subject from sex to money. While I do respect David Ray’s opinions as expressed in this thread, I also think the Democrats are presently ahead in the "political chess" aspects of this situation.   In my opinion, Bush’s only possible winning move is to open the SEC records, take whatever hits he has to take, and get this problem behind him. This is particulary true if he in fact does have nothing to hide. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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The arms-length treatment of Pitt underscores a dilemma for Bush and his radioactive SEC chairman. Many Democrats and even a few Republicans have called for Pitt’s resignation because of his alleged conflicts of interest and ties to the accounting industry. There is no sign that Bush is even thinking of dropping Pitt. But whether Pitt stays or goes, he is a potential liability

This is absurd. You can’t get someone who has no knowledge of the business to run the place.  It is utterly ridiculous to argue that his "ties to the accounting industry" disqualify him.  Would you hire a lawyer to be your physician?  Of course, not. Bush, in his Monday news conference, generously defended Pitt. "I support Harvey Pitt — Harvey Pitt has been fast to act," Bush said. Later, Bush added: "I’m going to give him a chance to continue to perform."

This is called political courage.  It seems unusual, because we haven’t seen much of it for the last decade or so <g. But when underlings act disloyal, Bush can quickly cut them loose. Linda Chavez was dropped as Bush’s nominee to be labor secretary when it appeared she had misled those vetting her background. Michael Parker, the civilian chief of the Army Corps of Engineers, was ousted for complaining about administration budget cutting.

As it SHOULD be. Pitt so far has demonstrated fealty to Bush, and Bush aides remain loyal to him. "The best thing to do is vigorously enforce the law, and that’s what he’s doing," Lindsey said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52327-2002Jul10.html The Democrats must be loving this.

Maybe, but I can’t find a negative thing in that article.  Every point in it, subtle or apparent, comes across to me as a man of absolute honesty and integrity.  A great change, in my view.  I believe that this is even a story is a clear indication of the desperate political climate in which some are operating.

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Analysis SEC Chairman Pitt A Potential Liability To Administration Bush Defends Regulator From Critics By Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, July 11, 2002 While President Bush was delivering his long-awaited speech on corporate governance Tuesday, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey L. Pitt was exactly where many Bush aides wanted him to be: on a week-long beach vacation <snip The arms-length treatment of Pitt underscores a dilemma for Bush and his radioactive SEC chairman. Many Democrats and even a few Republicans have called for Pitt’s resignation because of his alleged conflicts of interest and ties to the accounting industry. There is no sign that Bush is even thinking of dropping Pitt. But whether Pitt stays or goes, he is a potential liability <snip Bush, in his Monday news conference, generously defended Pitt. "I support Harvey Pitt — Harvey Pitt has been fast to act," Bush said. Later, Bush added: "I’m going to give him a chance to continue to perform." Privately, Bush has expressed amazement at the conflict-of-interest charges. "It’s only in this town that people want someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about to lead an agency," he told congressional Republicans visiting the White House yesterday. <snip But Bush is stubborn about demonstrating loyalty to his aides, which enables him to claim reciprocal loyalty. Officials say he continues to defend Army Secretary Thomas E. White, embattled because of his Enron Corp. ties and personal travel, because White has been faithful to Bush. But when underlings act disloyal, Bush can quickly cut them loose. Linda Chavez was dropped as Bush’s nominee to be labor secretary when it appeared she had misled those vetting her background. Michael Parker, the civilian chief of the Army Corps of Engineers, was ousted for complaining about administration budget cutting. Pitt so far has demonstrated fealty to Bush, and Bush aides remain loyal to him. "The best thing to do is vigorously enforce the law, and that’s what he’s doing," Lindsey said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52327-2002Jul10.html The Democrats must be loving this. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, if you are one of the lucky ones near the top of the economic food chain.  Here in the US, we do indeed reap many benefits from technology.  I wonder how that picture looks from a less well endowed part of the global economy.  - Tena DiRuocco Yeah, if you  spell "lucky" hard work. The rest isn’t worth replying too.

The less technology you have the easier it is to have technology make a big differences. Developed countries need new inventions to make a difference. Less developed or endowed countries can quickly import proven technology. Inexpensive drugs, irrigation systems and more disease and drought resistant grains can make a very big difference. For 2+ years my Ukrainian web programmer has gotten top local wages and good new technology for his area, as I got very low costs for mine. Of course, we both work hard to make our relationship mutually rewarding.      Mike Block – Tax Cut CPA  World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester     FREE  NetLedger accounting   FREE 462p QB books/error codes 100+ QB add-ons http://blocktax.com/

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Washington State is next.

Another S-D goes diesel. Locke extends emergency generator use Gov. Gary Locke has extended an emergency energy order into the summer, allowing refineries, utilities and other industries to continue using diesel generators to produce more electricity. http://www.tribnet.com/frame.asp?/news/power/archive/0427b32.asp Also, the power company recently replaced my "dumb" meter with a "smart" meter.  Unless I opt out of the program they will charge me higher rates for prime time useage and lower rates for other times.  It is Sunday (low rates) and the wife has the washer & dryer going.  About the only thing that will be going during prime time is this computer – can’t risk missing the next installment of this thread. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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… Another S-D goes diesel. Locke extends emergency generator use Gov. Gary Locke has extended an emergency energy order into the summer, allowing refineries, utilities and other industries to continue using diesel generators to produce more electricity. http://www.tribnet.com/frame.asp?/news/power/archive/0427b32.asp

… That took some guts.  The S-D Green factions will immediately start plotting against him. Davis’s support coalition is so dependent on the S-D Green faction that he would never do that.  California would shut down first. IMHO, Washington State is still next. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *                                                             * *   Unemployed six years, and really beginning to enjoy it.   * *    From the Socialist People’s Republic of Kalifornia       * *                   Ayn Rand was right                        *

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Petaki is a S-D, that will come as a suprise to the RNC.  (The state agencies are in the Administrative arm of the state government.)

… Must be something in the California sunshine.  New York (also S-D) plans to run generators.

… — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *                                                             * *   Unemployed six years, and really beginning to enjoy it.   * *    From the Socialist People’s Republic of Kalifornia       * *                   Ayn Rand was right                        *

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Soon after this most of us will realize what we should acknowledge now. There is no power crisis. It is simply free enterprise democratic capitalism adjusting unlimited demand for many things to abundant, but still limited, supplies. As always, better technology often lets us stop using technology that was a wondrous improvement a short time ago. These cost savings will keep giving us more profitable work and more time for leisure, as each of us choose. Ain’t life grand?

Yes, if you are one of the lucky ones near the top of the economic food chain.  Here in the US, we do indeed reap many benefits from technology.  I wonder how that picture looks from a less well endowed part of the global economy.  - Tena DiRuocco

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… Yes, if you are one of the lucky ones near the top of the economic food chain.  Here in the US, we do indeed reap many benefits from technology.  I wonder how that picture looks from a less well endowed part of the global economy.  - Tena DiRuocco

Yeah, if you  spell "lucky" hard work. The rest isn’t worth replying too. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *                                                             * *   Unemployed six years, and really beginning to enjoy it.   * *    From the Socialist People’s Republic of Kalifornia       * *                   Ayn Rand was right                        *

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Yes, if you are one of the lucky ones near the top of the economic food chain.  Here in the US, we do indeed reap many benefits from technology.  I wonder how that picture looks from a less well endowed part of the global economy.  - Tena DiRuocco Yeah, if you  spell "lucky" hard work. The rest isn’t worth replying too.

Thanks Ron. I will be away for a while, but do not fear being missed.      Mike Block – Tax Cut CPA  World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester     FREE  NetLedger accounting   FREE 462p QB books/error codes 100+ QB add-ons http://blocktax.com/

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Within 15 years we will get power from huge satellite antennas that microwave power to us. Then, in 500 years the whole planet will be shielded from the sun by huge reflective covers, in orbit to reduce heat.  It will be nighttime all the time.

It will take rather small (miles, not continental coverage) satellite antennas to produce most of the power we will need. Producing extra power creates extra heat & is not economically, environmentally and socially desirable. Innovations are only adopted to the approximate extent that they are desired by significant numbers of us.      Mike Block – Tax Cut CPA  World’s #1 QuickBooks Top Tester     FREE  NetLedger accounting   FREE 462p QB books/error codes 100+ QB add-ons http://blocktax.com/

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Power and oil shortages will only speed adoption of telecommuting. People are now testing hybrid cars that more than double miles per gallon and cut maintenance. High gas prices will rush mass market use. Hydraulic power from streams & waves, without dams, will soon begin replacing oil in a big way. Within 15 years we will get power from huge satellite antennas that microwave power to us.

Then, in 500 years the whole planet will be shielded from the sun by huge reflective covers, in orbit to reduce heat.  It will be nighttime all the time. There will be huge powerplants that collect astronomical amounts of energy and beam it down to the earth so that we can maintain jacuzzies and casinos and sports arenas and amusement parks covering 2/3s of the surface of the earth.  The other 1/3 will be dedicated to military production facilities, training, and war zones where war is the principle industry like Israel and Chechnya.  98% of the energy in transportation will be spent on outwardly directed jet blasts just to keep vehicles from leaving earths orbit when making minute-long trips from one part of the earth to another… Our bodies will be encapsulated in headphones, communication systems with 3d fantasy goggles, and sex toys… TOdd

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One thing that they are carefully avoiding is one of the emergency solutions.  If, when it go to shortage in California, they allowed all the diesel emergency generators to start up, and the plants that have used up their pollution credits, bang, not black out.  The S-D’s are on the record as saying they would rather let the state go dark than allow one more particle of diesel smoke pollution.

Must be something in the California sunshine.  New York (also S-D) plans to run generators. ALBANY, March 20 – Concerned about the potential for power shortages, the Pataki administration and the managers of the state’s power grid are taking steps to encourage businesses to run their backup diesel generators at times during the summer when electricity use is at its highest. The proposals have raised concerns among environmentalists, because diesel generators pollute much more than even coal-burning power plants. Several state agencies and the Independent System Operator, an agency that runs the grid, have adopted policies that give companies financial incentives to run those diesels, either through direct payment or lower rates. The state is also considering easing restrictions on when the generators can be used. Statewide programs, aimed mostly at New York City, would be limited to times when there are severe power shortages, but one on Long Island would be permitted to continue through the summer. http://www.worldenergy.net/articles/NewYork_Encour.htm — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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End data duplication EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: All of today’s accounting and business systems are based on duplication of balance and transaction information in the separate books of each participant.  The resulting costs are not a simple doubling of labor, but a geometric function caused by errors and differences.

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I suppose my overall opinion is that the USENET assignment was a good idea. Traffic is good because there is a larger group of opinions.  More opinions are better than fewer.  The assignment generated more traffic and therefore more opinions. That said, I’ll post the contents of an e-mail that I received (and my reply) and will omit the sender’s name because, I assume he/she wished for it to be private. Due to the persuasions of my professor, I looked at your reply.  I really

hadn’t planned to do anything with your little newsgroup again, but Dr. Olsen seemed to really want me to get involved, so you can thank him for this letter.    You obviously completely missed the point of the message.  It was an extra credit assignment.  All that we had to do was post a message on the rec.running newsgroup.  The message was to be about a paragraph and answer the question "What do you think about running a 10K race". Ok.  I’m hearin’ attitude here.  And believe me, I know attitude. I fulfilled the assignment in about three minutes, and went on with my

life. To interupt your ‘tude, you have the life of a student.  The life you "went on with" should rightfully involve education.  Education is the thoughtful consideration of the assignments your professors believe are important.  3 minutes indeed!  You’re proud of that?! It’s a disgrace and you should be ashamed. (I’m sure you will be happy to know that I received the maximum credit for

the assignment.) Then your professor should be ashamed. I knew nobody in there right mind would be interested in reading it, and

didn’t expect anyone to.  As for you taking the time to critique it, how could you honestly have time to do it.   THERE/THEIR/THEY’RE.  Pick one. I don’t know if you’re criticizing the assignment itself or the content of your own post.  But the time I spent to critique?  Probably less than your time to compose. Were my points valid?  You don’t know because you didn’t read them; you’re no student — you’re after a grade; you’re not seeking to learn.   I guess I’m just to busy to waste my time on something so petty.

Tell me what you believe is important and tell me why you believe that particular assignment is not. Well, maybe not, after all I am wasting my time to write this letter, but I

feel that you really needed some feedback.  Always here to help. And I thank you.  You’ve set the stage for my reply. I welcome your rebuttal. Oh, you’ll also be happy to know that I am anti-social security, and

have spoken personally to politicians, to voice my opinion that it should be up to each individual person to decide how to finance their retirement, and the government shouldn’t force us to "save" money by giving to the government to give to people like you. With regards to Social security, politically we agree.   I trust when you spoke to your politician or wrote to him your communication was better than the fluff you posted in your rec.running thread. Because blondie, if it wasn’t well expressed, then your "politician" looked at your tits, said to himself "stupid but cute" and went on to more important issues. YOUR OPINION EXPRESSED POORLY WILL NOT BE HEARD. All that the message was for, was extra credit.  I didn’t want you to

read it, and even told everyone not to.  I admit that I didn’t put much thought in the words I used, or what I said, but I didn’t really have to.   Dr. Olsen just wanting us to learn how to use a newsgroup. And there is the expression "that which should be done should be done well." You don’t subscribe to that thought do you? I hope you have a good time making yourself think you are better than

someone else solely on your own opinion, but according to the class that I was in today, you need to get a life, and find something else to do with the little time you have, which normal people find valuable. Better than you? No. Normal? Probably not.  Normal is way overrated. An employer? Yes.  A Lawyer? Yes. A CPA with an MBA?  (Sorry, Professor, I’m not an English major – undergrad accounting) Yes. I’d not hire you.   Jennifer – and a really, really big ‘tude

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I suppose my overall opinion is that the USENET assignment was a good idea. Traffic is good because there is a larger group of opinions.  More opinions are better than fewer.  The assignment generated more traffic and therefore more opinions.

  As you note below: YOUR OPINION EXPRESSED POORLY WILL NOT BE HEARD. And there is the expression "that which should be done should be done well."

  To that end, my attempt at a more constructive comment for the class: _The Elements of Style_, by Strunk and White.  Read it, learn it, live by it. _On Writing Well_, William Zinsser.  For those who want a less terse version   of Strunk and White’s ideas, with more illustration. Normal? Probably not.  Normal is way overrated.

  Why be normal?   "And this above all: To thine own self be true." Polonius, some play by some dead european male. — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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I suppose my overall opinion is that the USENET assignment was a good idea. Traffic is good because there is a larger group of opinions.  More opinions are better than fewer.  The assignment generated more traffic and therefore more opinions.

I don’t know if it was such a good idea, mostly because I didn’t read most of the messages starting with: "I am writing this to get some extra credit in a class". As a side comment, this american thing about righting essays about doing something instead of actually doing it scares me. Like that fella who mentioned "written Phys Ed class" or something like that. I guess kids would rather write essays about playing basketball than actually playing basketball. I know this kid who goes to sort of "elite" high school here in Boston – I asked him once what they did in class one day, he tells me they made him write essay on environmental issues in Physics class, instead of learning physics. I am not making this up. So this kid, who is at 15 smarter than some grad students I know, gets a "C" in this "physics project" because he had no idea what he should write about. But at least kids who are not as smart and who can’t understand physics can feel good about themselves.  It’s ok if our kids can’t add 2 and 2 – as long as they can express their feeling about not being able to do it in a form of essay (spelling skills are not required either). —  Oleg

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I don’t know if it was such a good idea, mostly because I didn’t read most of the messages starting with: "I am writing this to get some extra credit in a class". As a side comment, this american thing about righting essays about doing

Actually, it is spelled writing and American is capitalized. something instead of actually doing it scares me. Like that fella who mentioned "written Phys Ed class" or something like that.

We had a few written tests in Physical Education.  If we hadn’t, I wouldn’t know the rules of soccer.  What is wrong with that? I guess kids would rather write essays about playing basketball than actually playing basketball. I know this kid who goes to sort of "elite" high school here in Boston – I asked him once what they did in class one day, he tells me they made him write essay on environmental issues in Physics class, instead of learning physics. I am not making this up. So this kid, who is at 15 smarter than some grad students I know, gets a "C" in this "physics project" because he had no idea what he should write about. But at least kids who are not as smart and who can’t understand physics can feel good about themselves.

Well, the point of this very tiny, little extra credit assignment was to expose the students to USENET (there are lots of database groups that I told them about, but they need to be a little more well-rounded in the life experience sense) and secretly get them thinking about doing some freakin’ exercise.  You should see some of the out of shape kids in my class.  It’s ok if our kids can’t add 2 and 2 – as long as they can express their feeling about not being able to do it in a form of essay (spelling skills are not required either).

If you flame for spelling, then make sure you spell everything right. David Olsen

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I know this kid who goes to sort of "elite" high school here in Boston – I asked him once what they did in class one day, he tells me they made him write essay on environmental issues in Physics class, instead of learning physics. I am not making this up. So this kid, who is at 15 smarter than some grad students I know, gets a "C" in this "physics project" because he had no idea what he should write about. But at least kids who are not as smart and who can’t understand physics can feel good about themselves.

This is a two edge sword Oleg. I don’t think this is about swapping physics knowledge for writing skills but about making the students think about issues. Having science knowledge without comprehending how it fits into the big picture, leaves me flat. This takes me back to the discussion the other day about interviewing ComSci graduates with little written or oral skills. Whoopee, they hide can hide in the closet and write code. Their growth potential is nearly zero. The fact that some teacher decided to encourage the combination of environment and Physics tells me they are trying to foster a thinking scientist and not one that simply applies raw principles. Maybe after you get out of the academic world and into the real work place, more of this will make sense. — Caveat Lector!

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Oleo is forgiven for his spelling as he is furrin. However, you on the other hand are are accused of being the instigator of spamming me and unsuspecting others. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if it was such a good idea, mostly because I didn’t read most of the messages starting with: "I am writing this to get some extra credit in a class". As a side comment, this american thing about righting essays about doing Actually, it is spelled writing and American is capitalized. something instead of actually doing it scares me. Like that fella who mentioned "written Phys Ed class" or something like that. We had a few written tests in Physical Education.  If we hadn’t, I wouldn’t know the rules of soccer.  What is wrong with that? I guess kids would rather write essays about playing basketball than actually playing basketball. I know this kid who goes to sort of "elite" high school here in Boston – I asked him once what they did in class one day, he tells me they made him write essay on environmental issues in Physics class, instead of learning physics. I am not making this up. So this kid, who is at 15 smarter than some grad students I know, gets a "C" in this "physics project" because he had no idea what he should write about. But at least kids who are not as smart and who can’t understand physics can feel good about themselves. Well, the point of this very tiny, little extra credit assignment was to expose the students to USENET (there are lots of database groups that I told them about, but they need to be a little more well-rounded in the life experience sense) and secretly get them thinking about doing some freakin’ exercise.  You should see some of the out of shape kids in my class.  It’s ok if our kids can’t add 2 and 2 – as long as they can express their feeling about not being able to do it in a form of essay (spelling skills are not required either). If you flame for spelling, then make sure you spell everything right. David Olsen

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This takes me back to the discussion the other day about interviewing ComSci graduates with little written or oral skills. Whoopee, they hide can hide in the closet and write code. Their growth potential is nearly zero. The fact that some teacher decided to encourage the combination of environment and Physics tells me they are trying to foster a thinking scientist and not one that simply applies raw principles. Maybe after you get out of the academic world and into the real work place, more of this will make sense.

When I was writing about enviromental essays, I knew our Doug will actually like the idea. Normally I wouldn’t mind either if those kids knew the difference between speed and acceleration. But their analytical skills are at near zero level. I was teaching some classes to premeds here at Harvard so I know what they know and what they don’t know. I don’t care how emotionally advanced, gentle and kind they are, I wouldn’t trust any of them to cut me open. And those are supposedly the best of the best. "Quick, he needs a transfusion – 1000 ml of blood quick! 1000ml? That’s about 4 gallons, right? Ahh, whatever…" —  Oleg

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If you flame for spelling, then make sure you spell everything right.

I can claim a special position – I can blame americans for not being able to spell, but nobody can really blame my spelling since I am a foreigner. It’s hypocrytical and not fair, but so is life. Look – if in a couple of years that I was here I was able to learn a difference between "their" and "they are", maybe we can expect the same from 20-year olds who were born and raised here. —  Oleg

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[snip] To interupt your ‘tude, you have the life of a student.  The life you "went on with" should rightfully involve education.  Education is the thoughtful consideration of the assignments your professors believe are important.  3 minutes indeed!  You’re proud of that?! It’s a disgrace and you should be ashamed.

On this point I’m behind you 100% Jenn. I normally don’t feel the need to pick on grammar or spelling, but this was supposed to be an academic exercise and the poor quality of the writing really disturbed me. These kids are supposed to be the future employees of American businesses, and the fact that they didn’t give a rip about how they presented themselves in public reflects poorly on their ability to compete in the marketplace. They can only hope that the job market stays tight, because if it doesn’t the main skill they need is the ability to enunciate "you want fries with that?". (I’m sure you will be happy to know that I received the maximum credit for the assignment.) Then your professor should be ashamed.

I agree here also. As someone who may likely be reviewing the resumes produced by these kids, I would be very reluctant to hire someone who gave such low regard to assignments. If I where Professor Olsen I’d give them a good lecture on the importance of fulfilling an assignment with some level of competence, not just doing what needs to be done to get by. All in all they represented their school quite poorly, and I will certainly think of that the next time I see a resume from Utah State.

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Oleo is forgiven for his spelling as he is furrin. However, you on the other hand are are accused of being the instigator of spamming me and unsuspecting others. Pete

If Oleg can’t spell perfectly, he shouldn’t be a spell flamer, which incidentally, is a bad idea for anyone. Please define spamming Pete. No one offered anything for sale and all posts were clearly marked. Additionally, all posts were on the topic of running which is already better than many posts in this group. If you didn’t have any running advice for any of the students, you could have ignored the posts. Surely you don’t think you own USENET do you? Just look at the subject line and don’t read the post if you don’t want to. It is a free country. David Olsen Before you buy.

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. However, you on the other hand are are accused of being the instigator of spamming me and unsuspecting others. Pete

Spam? All the posts were about running and had absolutely no commercial content. What’s your definition of spam? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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Should spell flamers using poor punctuation flame spell flamers for poor spelling? I think I’ll go home and pull out my Strunk and White book. I keep thinking I need some commas. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oleo is forgiven for his spelling as he is furrin. However, you on the other hand are are accused of being the instigator of spamming me and unsuspecting others. Pete If Oleg can’t spell perfectly, he shouldn’t be a spell flamer, which incidentally, is a bad idea for anyone. Please define spamming Pete. No one offered anything for sale and all posts were clearly marked. Additionally, all posts were on the topic of running which is already better than many posts in this group. If you didn’t have any running advice for any of the students, you could have ignored the posts. Surely you don’t think you own USENET do you? Just look at the subject line and don’t read the post if you don’t want to. It is a free country. David Olsen Before you buy.

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Spam is meaningless email that clutters my inbox. None of the messages posted were on the subject of running.  They were on the subject of quick and easy extra credit with at most a slight allusion to real opinions about the sport. By the way, I am a college student and generation x’er, so be sure I’ll be writing a longer (correctly spelled) reply to these posts tomorrow.  Tonight I must do some real academic work studying for my physics quiz (no easy extra credit here, not to mention no phys-ed classes that receive real grades) and get some rest for a 10k on the track tomorrow. That’s physics fun in the morning and 25 laps of pure enjoyment at night under the lights. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . However, you on the other hand are are accused of being the instigator of spamming me and unsuspecting others. Pete Spam? All the posts were about running and had absolutely no commercial content. What’s your definition of spam? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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As a part time night school instructor, I’m not surprised that most of the students did the minimum to get by.  I see it all the time with most day school students that are "second timing it" in my classes.  Most of these students will end up working dead end jobs because it was easy.  They will however blame their mothers, fathers, teachers, police, politicians, society, god, the stars, fate, or just bad luck for their predicament.  In fact the only person that they need to blame looks back in the mirror when they brush their teeth. All runners know that to succeed in a race or life you have to dig, fight and work your butt off.  And when you crash and burn, you get up, and start training all over again. Hopefully smarter. Running like life is hard work.  If you want to cross that finish line, you have to earn it.     Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] To interupt your ‘tude, you have the life of a student.  The life you "went on with" should rightfully involve education.  Education is the thoughtful consideration of the assignments your professors believe are important. 3 minutes indeed!  You’re proud of that?! It’s a disgrace and you should be ashamed. On this point I’m behind you 100% Jenn. I normally don’t feel the need to pick on grammar or spelling, but this was supposed to be an academic exercise and the poor quality of the writing really disturbed me. These kids are supposed to be the future employees of American businesses, and the fact that they didn’t give a rip about how they presented themselves in public reflects poorly on their ability to compete in the marketplace. They can only hope that the job market stays tight, because if it doesn’t the main skill they need is the ability to enunciate "you want fries with that?". (I’m sure you will be happy to know that I received the maximum credit for the assignment.) Then your professor should be ashamed. I agree here also. As someone who may likely be reviewing the resumes produced by these kids, I would be very reluctant to hire someone who gave such low regard to assignments. If I where Professor Olsen I’d give them a good lecture on the importance of fulfilling an assignment with some level of competence, not just doing what needs to be done to get by. All in all they represented their school quite poorly, and I will certainly think of that the next time I see a resume from Utah State.

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<snipped taking more than you are allowed will get you the label of "noncompliant" and then clinicians are a lot less willing to work with you.  I know it sucks to be in pain… but you have to do what they say or they won’t want to help you.

Absolutely have to agree. I have been there: phoning to tell my doctor "I’m short again…I just got sooo sore…" At the time it seemed she (Dr.) was being churlish and unfeeling when I would score a lecture and multiple sighs from her before she begrudgingly phoned thru to tell the pharmacist to release my drugs early to me.  to have the bottle there and know you have to wait a few more hours… it sucks bigtime.. but you HAVE to wait…

<snipped again… And that is exactly what my problem was: i knew relief was a mere dose away. Finally the Dr. laid it on the line: if I continued to ’self-medicate’ then I would be treated in a manner appropriate to this. In other words it would be made impossible for me to ’self-medicate’. I would be left with the option of NO pain relief or going to pick it up daily from the chemist. Finally it sank thru – at least to the extent that I stopped calling the Doctor and basically demanding extra. I had become quite cold in attitude and so she (doctor) became as merciless. The present situation is that I now have a full and healthy fear of running myself short; because there is no way I’m going to be treated like a child being handed my daily dose. It would be horribly inconvenient as well as humiliating. I may look longingly at my weeks supply ( in New Zealand they changed the law about a year ago so that certain {narcotic} drugs can only be given weekly rather than monthly amounts) but I usually remember that it is far more unpleasant to go totally without. Please realize; I’m not suggesting,implying  it is a problem of greed – I’m well aware of need- but you do have to treat it as a serious accounting where the short term Never seems to outweigh the longer term. at least you have some I’m probably already repeating Liza,  who has much more lucidly  presented the problem. I can only reinforce what she has said; especially in regard to repeated calls to the doctor. It’s too easy to lose all credibility with those who have the’ power of the pills’ — Regards,

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I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due.

I did that a couple of times at the beginning and you can start getting sick. Mine happen to fall on the same time that my pump was to low and needed refilling and I just thought I was hurting so much more from the flu until I got so sick and the doc said to come in right away. You should just tell him the truth that it’s just a few days and maybe he’ll start trying to cover those days. It won’t hurt to find out. Be careful when you run out. Depending on the meds you could have serious side effects and you don’t want that. Good luck with doc but make sure you try him out on the idea.  Bee

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I’m sorry but I really must ask–What has this to do with plain text in newsgroups?  Your system has nothing to do with the problem–it is your settings.   Change to plain text and the problems will go away.  It is that simple.  The details of your *system* have nothing to do with what was being discussed. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska.

As I’ve stated, this is a completely new system. It will eventually replace all of the existing setups here. An example is the new Java Servlet system and private CGI facility that will allow the CPF website to have "smart" web pages. Of course, as can be expected, there are some glitches in the software configs that are being worked on. One of them is the automatic setting of the text to MIME in the newsgroups, even though I’ve locked it to text. I’ve got a query in to the support mailing list already. Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 3/10/00, 10:01:27 PM, "amRuada" script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do not know the answer to that.  I never use anything but plain text, for newsgroups or for e-mail.  It uses less bandwidth to send and receive and less to store if I want to keep the message for some reason. It could be the default setting of what ever software he is using to post and he does not realize it.  If I had to take a stab a guessing why, this is what I would guess.  I too cannot imagine *wanting* to use something that would create abnormalities for others. And thanks–yes it is sure nice to have most of every day with pain at a tolerable level. — Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. another question, what’s the plus of using this version compared to plain text ? I don’t understand why someone would want their posts to appear like this unless there is a good reason for it.Thanks for the response, Mechelle PS, I’m so happy that you are finally getting some Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer– even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote=20 regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy. — Before you buy.

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Good advice Will.  Sorry "Empty too early", but you have to play by the rules.   Most of us are tempted to take just one extra here and there but know the end results. As stated by another, if you need more ask the doc.  If you don’t get them ask why.  Maybe the addition of a non-narcotic would help you to cope. Good luck, and keep your hand out of the cookie jar.        Bonnie

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I know you don’t want to hear this but this is BAD.  If you follow the perscription label instructions exactly, you won’t run out.  If you are still in pain, you need to tell your doctor and ask them to increase your meds… but taking more than you are allowed will get you the label of "noncompliant" and then clinicians are a lot less willing to work with you.  I know it sucks to be in pain… but you have to do what they say or they won’t want to help you. One time I was in clinic waiting for my appointment, and there was a woman, her husband and their new baby.  I think the mom and baby were on morphine, and somehow the mom was coming up short by 3 days and the doc refused to give her any more meds.  She was in tears and was concerned for her baby but the doc would not even talk to her.  The clinic nurse told her the doc would not see her and she had to go to urgent care because the clinic said she violated her pain contract and could not get treatment there anymore.  It scared me to death and trust me, you don’t want that on your record!  I don’t mean to scare you but it is a cold world out there… try harder.  I know how aweful it is to be in pain and to have the bottle there and know you have to wait a few more hours… it sucks bigtime.. but you HAVE to wait… at least you have some relief, and you have to go through the long process of dose adjustment and try as hard as possible to hang in there… call your doc ASAP and let them know your pain relief is not adequate..tell them ONCE or leave ONE message and then wait.  At least a few days between calls. Frantic or repeated calls are considered excessive and they may want to call you drug seeking, however unfair that is.  But do not take more than you are allowed.  I can’t stress this enough.  And I am sorry you are suffering, I hate when people suffer.  I will pray for you… but please be careful and just be sure to tell your doc, you take the meds exactly as s/he said and you are still in pain.  If you follow their instructions they are so much more willing to help you.. and taking too much is considered abuse.  It is so frustrating that you have to act in such a way, and be perfect and on-time with dosing, to get good pain management but we have to work with the system that has been abused by people who want our pain meds to get high on.  Because of the drug seekers WE SUFFER and it sucks.. but recognize what not to do.  We shouldn’t have to but we do have to be more careful.  I don’t know how it works elsewhere, but whenever I see my anesthesiologist (once a month), she assesses my pain based on my pain log and how much rescue meds I needed.  Then she adjusts my long-acting pain med and if needed, changes the number of rescue doses I am allowed each day… and she is very generous. I never run out.  BUT I KNOW when I switched to fentanyl there were a few days where I literally sat with my watch in bed and waited for it to be time for my rescue dose… I was suffering really badly but somehow I made it between each 4 hour time bracket… and next time I was in clinic my dose got increased because that event was in my log.  God bless, hang in there. I hope your doc will increase your dose and get you out of pain. Liza

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As I’ve stated, this is a completely new system. It will eventually replace all of the existing setups here. An example is the new Java Servlet system and private CGI facility that will allow the CPF website to have "smart" web pages. Of course, as can be expected, there are some glitches in the software configs that are being worked on. One of them is the automatic setting of the text to MIME in the newsgroups, even though I’ve locked it to text. I’ve got a query in to the support mailing list already. Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 3/10/00, 10:01:27 PM, "amRuada" script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do not know the answer to that.  I never use anything but plain text, for newsgroups or for e-mail.  It uses less bandwidth to send and receive and less to store if I want to keep the message for some reason. It could be the default setting of what ever software he is using to post and he does not realize it.  If I had to take a stab a guessing why, this is what I would guess.  I too cannot imagine *wanting* to use something that would create abnormalities for others. And thanks–yes it is sure nice to have most of every day with pain at a tolerable level. — Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. another question, what’s the plus of using this version compared to plain text ? I don’t understand why someone would want their posts to appear like this unless there is a good reason for it.Thanks for the response, Mechelle PS, I’m so happy that you are finally getting some Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer– even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote=20 regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy. — Before you buy.

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I do not know the answer to that.  I never use anything but plain text, for newsgroups or for e-mail.  It uses less bandwidth to send and receive and less to store if I want to keep the message for some reason. It could be the default setting of what ever software he is using to post and he does not realize it.  If I had to take a stab a guessing why, this is what I would guess.  I too cannot imagine *wanting* to use something that would create abnormalities for others. And thanks–yes it is sure nice to have most of every day with pain at a tolerable level. — Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another question, what’s the plus of using this version compared to plain text ? I don’t understand why someone would want their posts to appear like this unless there is a good reason for it.Thanks for the response, Mechelle PS, I’m so happy that you are finally getting some Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer– even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote=20 regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy. — Before you buy.

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Ergo,      Always coming up 5 days short and trying very hard to follow dosing is a contradiction. There are only 2 possibilities and the one that works is that you are undermedicated and your doc won’t help. If you need more , tell him /her. If you don’t need more, stop over medicating. Please don’t be angry. We can beat around the bush or attack the problem head on. If you need more and your doc will not help, start looking. However, going into withdrawal every month is no way to live. Unless you receive a boost in your meds, you must make them last. Write a schedule and do not vary from it.  Again, please don’t take offense. There are plenty of folks here who can help you with a schedule, because we all have to do it. Peace, Richard

I got a script with 5 refills from my doc for hydrocodone… so I’ve been getting pain meds for three months now from drugstore.com and they allow you to refill before the month is up. I got my first one on Jan 26th, second on Feb 17, and I just reordered last night and will get them on the 11th supposedly. And I don’t order early because I run out… in fact, I’m ahead on pills. I’m just hoping to have an extra months worth before the end of the year in case there is ever a problem with getting a new script from the doctor… or for a rainy day when I need an extra pill and don’t want to worry about not having enough for the month. Will

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This system is very complete and significantly better than the one that I WAS using. At the very least it has an editor that is consistent with more than itself! Gnu Emacs is probably the most powerful editor in the world – and a blazing headache to use if you’re switching around all of the time. Gnu Emacs had a newsreader built in so I was using that. The new one is consistent with all of the other packages/platforms, has all the bells and whistles you could ever want and a newsreader/Email client that beats out all of the others. Unfortunately, it has the help-system-from-hell as its docs! Everything is in there – try to find it. Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Re: Empty script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another question, what’s the plus of using this version compared to plain text ? I don’t understand why someone would want their posts to appear like this unless there is a good reason for it.Thanks for the response, Mechelle PS, I’m so happy that you are finally getting some Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer– even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote=20 regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy. — Before you buy.

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 Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this?

– Before you buy.

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Hey, what happened to the original message. All I see is your reply as being the first entry.I was able to read it at the bottom of your reply. Anyway, right on Richard !! no need to sugar coat it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ergo,      Always coming up 5 days short and trying very hard to follow dosing is a contradiction. There are only 2 possibilities and the one that works is that you are undermedicated and your doc won’t help. If you need more , tell him /her. If you don’t need more, stop over medicating. Please don’t be angry. We can beat around the bush or attack the problem head on. If you need more and your doc will not help, start looking. However, going into withdrawal every month is no way to live. Unless you receive a boost in your meds, you must make them last. Write a schedule and do not vary from it.  Again, please don’t take offense. There are plenty of folks here who can help you with a schedule, because we all have to do it. Peace, Richard x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this?

– Before you buy.

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another question, what’s the plus of using this version compared to plain text ? I don’t understand why someone would want their posts to appear like this unless there is a good reason for it.Thanks for the response, Mechelle PS, I’m so happy that you are finally getting some – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer– even in the Last Frontier of Alaska. Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wrote=20 regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy.

– Before you buy.

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I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

regarding Empty script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this?

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also does not allow the rest of use to use the standard conventions when quoting  the  and and by level. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska.

I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

regarding Empty script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this?

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Ergo,      Always coming up 5 days short and trying very hard to follow dosing is a contradiction. There are only 2 possibilities and the one that works is that you are undermedicated and your doc won’t help. If you need more , tell him /her. If you don’t need more, stop over medicating. Please don’t be angry. We can beat around the bush or attack the problem head on. If you need more and your doc will not help, start looking. However, going into withdrawal every month is no way to live. Unless you receive a boost in your meds, you must make them last. Write a schedule and do not vary from it.  Again, please don’t take offense. There are plenty of folks here who can help you with a schedule, because we all have to do it. Peace, Richard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this?

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Because he is not using plain text–he is using this: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cure is to not use the MIME and to use true plain text–one that does not have embedded codes in it to leave the =20 behind. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Off topic, Alex, why do your reply’s have those =20 things all over? I wouldn’t know. I asked for more before I ran out. The doc said that=20 if I was satisfied that the dosage was stable that she’d script some=20 more – as in a few months worth, dispensed as needed (all at once was=20 too much money). Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< regarding Empty script too early: x-no-archive: yes F}{_P)ES999ujf’poihjipofj I get pain meds monthly and although I try very hard to follow the=20 doc’s dosing schedule, I always find myself coming up short about 4-5 days before the refill is due. How do you guys deal with this? — Before you buy.

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Here, in Canada – where there’s a civilized view about opiates for pain use – if you come up short on your count, go to your doctor. Yes, you can count them in the pharmacy and should if you’re worried about the count. But once you leave the pharmacy, they will not do ANYTHING if you come up short. It’s the law. I did come up with an overage once – I returned them to the pharmacist (returning them is OK), who put them in a sealed bottle for use on my next prescription. She can’t sell them to anyone else and can’t allow a shortage. She does know one thing, though. She knows that I’m watching her back. Now she watches mine. Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Empty script too early: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before I leave the pharmacy, I look at the bottles, labels, and count the pills. Even though I go to a busy, yet small pharmacy, I don’t hesitate to count my pills. My pain mgmt MD would NOT refill if there is a mistake. It would be my fault. See, I had my usual monthly scripts, one being an opiate. I was given (by a substitute pharmacist) 300 Morphine 15mg tablets and 50 of my regular opiate. Talk about freak out! My pharmacists’ business could be ruined if his count for this comes up short like that….so, after counting the open bottle of MY opiate, I went back into the store and gave MY pharm. these Morphine back. He filled my prescription from the original prescription and thanked me. Now, he has his assistant (a real sweetie), RE- COUNT all my pills except the ones which are factory-sealed. The sub pharmacist was gone. Now, Dr Blank, the pham., watches while I stand and count 365 pills. O well…. Count BEFORE leaving the drugstore, in full view. That way, if you come up short, it can be rectified right then. If you cannot TRUST your pharmacist, go to another one. Your case could be a miscount or deliberate pilfering. You decide which it is. And … put your opiates for the day into a pill box, so you KNOW how many you are taking. It’s easy when you’re in pain, to just take a couple more than you need and coming up short. Anyway, I hope this has helped:-) Many factors go into making SURE you have what was written for. Be well, :::::KatieDarling:::::

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Hey, this is good advice.  And I have no problem handing patients a counting tray and spatula.  Count if ya want to!  I also can tell you we have to double count ALL controlled substance rx’s and initial the label, so if I filled your rx and you were short it would be MY fault.  We’re real careful. liza ***Blessings and Analgesia***

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Before I leave the pharmacy, I look at the bottles, labels, and count the pills. Even though I go to a busy, yet small pharmacy, I don’t hesitate to count my pills. My pain mgmt MD would NOT refill if there is a mistake. It would be my fault. See, I had my usual monthly scripts, one being an opiate. I was given (by a substitute pharmacist) 300 Morphine 15mg tablets and 50 of my regular opiate. Talk about freak out! My pharmacists’ business could be ruined if his count for this comes up short like that….so, after counting the open bottle of MY opiate, I went back into the store and gave MY pharm. these Morphine back. He filled my prescription from the original prescription and thanked me. Now, he has his assistant (a real sweetie), RE- COUNT all my pills except the ones which are factory-sealed. The sub pharmacist was gone. Now, Dr Blank, the pham., watches while I stand and count 365 pills. O well…. Count BEFORE leaving the drugstore, in full view. That way, if you come up short, it can be rectified right then. If you cannot TRUST your pharmacist, go to another one. Your case could be a miscount or deliberate pilfering. You decide which it is. And … put your opiates for the day into a pill box, so you KNOW how many you are taking. It’s easy when you’re in pain, to just take a couple more than you need and coming up short. Anyway, I hope this has helped:-) Many factors go into making SURE you have what was written for. Be well, :::::KatieDarling:::::

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I will be starting a new job soon and one of the functions will involve shareholder accounting.  Can anyone recommend a text that describes this area of accounting?

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What type of corporation is it?

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