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The Bush admin fired Mike Parker, a Republican who head the Army Corps, in 2002 because he argued that Bush funding cuts to Corp were bad. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509010170sep01,1,… "I’m not saying it wouldn’t still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have," said Michael Parker, a former Republican Mississippi congressman who headed the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from October 2001 until March 2002, when he was ousted after publicly criticizing a Bush administration proposal to cut the corps’ budget.

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"Mr Soul" made another attempt to cover for his DemoCROOK allies: <<CRAP snipped Uh, shithead, the levees have been suspect since the 1930’s. In ‘95 when the Clinton era fools were in charge the first significant report of conersn was delived tho FAt Boy Billy, he did shit-all with it. Worse, had he increased funding it would have all gone to grease the pockets of his goombah allies in the Parishes. Even if Bush had DOUBLED funding for flood control projects, by the time any money got to New Orleans, brain-dead Mayor "Copout" Nagin would have used it to fund the dope trade coming through the Port. As it was, the fucking fool sent thousands of people into the Dome, Convention ceNTER, ETC., WITH no food, no wter AND no SECURITY! Meanwhile, all the city busses are sittiong RIGHT NEXT DOOR flooded! The first finger of blame starts with the DemoCROOKS that have run that State since Andy Jackson and have pissed into sleaze away billions in Federal money, from flood control, to welfare, to housing, you name it. Only in Louisiana would voters chose  convicted felon, DemoCROOK  Edwin Edwards (now doing time for racketeering), whose bumper sticker said "Elect The Crook". Nagin & Blanco are just the latest in a string of total incompetent slimeballs.Nice try, asshole..

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"I’m not saying it wouldn’t still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have,"

From these articles, one gets the impression that if the Bush Administration had given the Army Corps of Engineers a blank check, New Orleans would be fine today. However, the Times hasn’t always been so enamored with the corps as it appears to be now.  As reported by George Adair of EU Rota on September 2, the Times had this to say just five months ago in an editorial entitled "The Untouchable Corps":   "Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America’s rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects – this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences."   "This is a bad piece of legislation." The legislation in question is Senate S. 728, The Water Resources Development Act of 2005 sponsored by Christopher Bond (R-MO).  A thorough reading of this proposed bill  - which coincidentally has had no new action related to it since April 26 – indicates that considerable focus was given to projects in Louisiana including one for hurricane and storm damage reduction with an estimated Federal cost of $512 million. This should not be a surprise as Mary Landrieu (D-LA) is one of its sponsors. Doesn’t this raise a question as to why the Times was against this bill when it was introduced five months ago, but is now castigating the president for, in essence, doing exactly what the Times advocated? Yet, this isn’t the first instance of corps bashing by the Times.  Garden State Enviro Net archives this editorial  from June 23, 2003 entitled "Time to Re-engineer the Corps":   "The House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure has a rare opportunity tomorrow to strike a blow for both fiscal sanity and the environment. Before the committee is a bill that would bring a measure of discipline and independent oversight to the Army Corps of Engineers, an incorrigibly spendthrift agency whose projects over the years have caused enormous damage to the nation’s streams, rivers and wetlands." In addition, Forest Conservation Portal captured this Times editorial from August 19, 2002  entitled "Taming the Untouchable Corps":   "There are not many issues that the liberal Tom Daschle of South Dakota and the conservative Robert Smith of New Hampshire agree on. But when Congress reconvenes, these two senators, along with the campaign finance mavericks John McCain and Russell Feingold, are determined to challenge the self-interest of many of their colleagues by instituting a top-to-bottom overhaul of the Army Corps of Engineers."   "In April, the General Accounting Office found that the corps had vastly overestimated the economic payoff of a $300 million dredging project in the Delaware River – the latest in a series of projects where the corps seems to have cooked the books to justify huge budget outlays." In this editorial, the Times was referring to a bill that didn’t come to fruition until March 2004 when it was introduced by Russ Feingold (D-WI), John McCain (R-AZ), and Tom Daschle (D-SD).  Coincidentally, no action has been taken on this bill since its introduction either. Adding it all up:   . In 2002, the Times claimed the corps is desperately in need of reform due to its corrupt, malfeasant, seemingly Enron-like ways   . In 2003, the Times saw the corps as incorrigibly spendthrift and causing damage to the environment   . In 2004, the Times’ favorite Republican, John McCain, co-sponsored a bill that addressed many of the Times’ concerns regarding the corps   . In 2005, the Times asked New York’s senators to vote against a bill that would give $17 billion to the corps that included elaborate work in Louisiana Yet, less than five months later, prior to any of the proposed changes for this agency having been formally legislated or effected, and with our nation in the middle of a crisis, the Times has changed horses midstream, and is eviscerating the president for not giving the corps every penny it has asked for since his inauguration. It therefore seems uncannily fitting that the denouement in this Jim Jeffords moment is named "Redemption in the Bayou" , wherein the same editorial staff that asked New York’s senators to oppose S. 728 almost five months ago appears to have lost its conviction a week after Katrina made landfall:   "The conditions are thus ripe for a major effort to restore the Louisiana coast. The program before Congress was hatched by the state’s politicians and in its universities and drafted by the Army Corps of Engineers." If only the Times had the backbone it’s continually telling the nation our president lacks. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4796

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From these articles, one gets the impression that if the Bush Administration had given the Army Corps of Engineers a blank check, New Orleans would be fine today.

No-one’s saying that including Parker. Mr Soul

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I’m not saying it wouldn’t still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have," From these articles, one gets the impression that if the Bush Administration had given the Army Corps of Engineers a blank check, New Orleans would be fine today. However, the Times hasn’t always been so enamored with the corps as it appears to be now.  As reported by George Adair of EU Rota on September 2, the Times had this to say just five months ago in an editorial entitled "The Untouchable Corps":  "Anyone who cares about responsible budgeting and the health of America’s rivers and wetlands should pay attention to a bill now before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. The bill would shovel $17 billion at the Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and other water-related projects – this at a time when President Bush is asking for major cuts in Medicaid and other important domestic programs. Among these projects is a $2.7 billion boondoggle on the Mississippi River that has twice flunked inspection by the National Academy of Sciences."  "This is a bad piece of legislation." The legislation in question is Senate S. 728, The Water Resources Development Act of 2005 sponsored by Christopher Bond (R-MO).  A thorough reading of this proposed bill  - which coincidentally has had no new action related to it since April 26 – indicates that considerable focus was given to projects in Louisiana including one for hurricane and storm damage reduction with an estimated Federal cost of $512 million. This should not be a surprise as Mary Landrieu (D-LA) is one of its sponsors. Doesn’t this raise a question as to why the Times was against this bill when it was introduced five months ago, but is now castigating the president for, in essence, doing exactly what the Times advocated? Yet, this isn’t the first instance of corps bashing by the Times.  Garden State Enviro Net archives this editorial  from June 23, 2003 entitled "Time to Re-engineer the Corps":  "The House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure has a rare opportunity tomorrow to strike a blow for both fiscal sanity and the environment. Before the committee is a bill that would bring a measure of discipline and independent oversight to the Army Corps of Engineers, an incorrigibly spendthrift agency whose projects over the years have caused enormous damage to the nation’s streams, rivers and wetlands." In addition, Forest Conservation Portal captured this Times editorial from August 19, 2002  entitled "Taming the Untouchable Corps":  "There are not many issues that the liberal Tom Daschle of South Dakota and the conservative Robert Smith of New Hampshire agree on. But when Congress reconvenes, these two senators, along with the campaign finance mavericks John McCain and Russell Feingold, are determined to challenge the self-interest of many of their colleagues by instituting a top-to-bottom overhaul of the Army Corps of Engineers."  "In April, the General Accounting Office found that the corps had vastly overestimated the economic payoff of a $300 million dredging project in the Delaware River – the latest in a series of projects where the corps seems to have cooked the books to justify huge budget outlays." In this editorial, the Times was referring to a bill that didn’t come to fruition until March 2004 when it was introduced by Russ Feingold (D-WI), John McCain (R-AZ), and Tom Daschle (D-SD).  Coincidentally, no action has been taken on this bill since its introduction either. Adding it all up:  . In 2002, the Times claimed the corps is desperately in need of reform due to its corrupt, malfeasant, seemingly Enron-like ways  . In 2003, the Times saw the corps as incorrigibly spendthrift and causing damage to the environment  . In 2004, the Times’ favorite Republican, John McCain, co-sponsored a bill that addressed many of the Times’ concerns regarding the corps  . In 2005, the Times asked New York’s senators to vote against a bill that would give $17 billion to the corps that included elaborate work in Louisiana Yet, less than five months later, prior to any of the proposed changes for this agency having been formally legislated or effected, and with our nation in the middle of a crisis, the Times has changed horses midstream, and is eviscerating the president for not giving the corps every penny it has asked for since his inauguration. It therefore seems uncannily fitting that the denouement in this Jim Jeffords moment is named "Redemption in the Bayou" , wherein the same editorial staff that asked New York’s senators to oppose S. 728 almost five months ago appears to have lost its conviction a week after Katrina made landfall:  "The conditions are thus ripe for a major effort to restore the Louisiana coast. The program before Congress was hatched by the state’s politicians and in its universities and drafted by the Army Corps of Engineers." If only the Times had the backbone it’s continually telling the nation our president lacks. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4796

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Mr. Del Ray (if that is your real name because I cannot find you anywhere in the US white pages) uses Level13 dialup service to an AOL account (possibly bogus). He lives (apparently) in Phoenix Arizona, or somewhere local to that. The rest I have not yet determined. Let’s stop feeding the desert troll. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

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I kind of agree with Mike. Accounting is boring. I’ve studied it in college and found it very boring and tedious. But if thats what your son wants to do, then i’m afraid he’s just going to do it. And the more you force him to become a policeman, the less he will want to do it. Sorry

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I kind of agree with Mike. Accounting is boring. I’ve studied it in college and found it very boring and tedious. But if thats what your son wants to do, then i’m afraid he’s just going to do it. And the more you force him to become a policeman, the less he will want to do it. Sorry

Accounting does not have to be boring.  I have had some boring teachers while getting an education in accounting.  I believe the boring ones are probably those who learned accounting from a book and classes, but never had any experience in it.  I have taught accounting and tax classes now for around 20 years and I get good evaluations every quarter from the students. The reason this is true is that I teach accounting and tax in a way that the student can see the practical use of the concept we are talking about at the time.  Those teachers who only teach accounting theory with no practical application are the ones who are boring.  The theory is all they know because many of them have had no practical experience with it in the real world.  Accounting can be a dynamic profession to be in and make you feel very good if you can help some struggling business survive.  An accountant who knows the practical aspects of accounting can tell a business-person how likely their business is to be bankrupt within a 3 year period with a 95% degree of accuracy.  They can also help this business prevent that happening if the owner of the business wants to do that. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accounting does not have to be boring.  I have had some boring teachers while getting an education in accounting.  I believe the boring ones are probably those who learned accounting from a book and classes, but never had any experience in it.  I have taught accounting and tax classes now for around 20 years and I get good evaluations every quarter from the students. The reason this is true is that I teach accounting and tax in a way that the student can see the practical use of the concept we are talking about at the time.  Those teachers who only teach accounting theory with no practical application are the ones who are boring.  The theory is all they know because many of them have had no practical experience with it in the real world.  Accounting can be a dynamic profession to be in and make you feel very good if you can help some struggling business survive.  An accountant who knows the practical aspects of accounting can tell a business-person how likely their business is to be bankrupt within a 3 year period with a 95% degree of accuracy.  They can also help this business prevent that happening if the owner of the business wants to do that. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

I have to agree with you, Wayne. So far, all of my accounting instructors have spent many years in real world accounting and then brought it to the classroom. I have a passion for accounting. I actually enjoy it. Those that find it tedious and boring just don’t have the knack for it. My husband is an electronics design engineer, and oft-times I find that tedious and boring. Of course, I could never do the level of math that he is capable of! Janice

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Accounting does not have to be boring.  I have had some boring teachers while getting an education in accounting.  I believe the boring ones are probably those who learned accounting from a book and classes, but never had any experience in it.  I have taught accounting and tax classes now for around 20 years and I get good evaluations every quarter from the students. The reason this is true is that I teach accounting and tax in a way that the student can see the practical use of the concept we are talking about at the time.  Those teachers who only teach accounting theory with no practical application are the ones who are boring.  The theory is all they know because many of them have had no practical experience with it in the real world.  Accounting can be a dynamic profession to be in and make you feel very good if you can help some struggling business survive.  An accountant who knows the practical aspects of accounting can tell a business-person how likely their business is to be bankrupt within a 3 year period with a 95% degree of accuracy.  They can also help this business prevent that happening if the owner of the business wants to do that. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation I have to agree with you, Wayne. So far, all of my accounting instructors have spent many years in real world accounting and then brought it to the classroom. I have a passion for accounting. I actually enjoy it. Those that find it tedious and boring just don’t have the knack for it. My husband is an electronics design engineer, and oft-times I find that tedious and boring. Of course, I could never do the level of math that he is capable of! Janice

Janice, Computers and calculators handle math very well, don’t you think?  Some people think accountants have to be math whizzes in order to be good accountants.  I find that to be not true.  I think an accountant should be one that is not intimidated by math, but you don’t have to be an expert at it-you just need to find the right calculator and know how to use it or be able to use something like Excel. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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Janice, Computers and calculators handle math very well, don’t you think?  Some people think accountants have to be math whizzes in order to be good accountants.  I find that to be not true.  I think an accountant should be one that is not intimidated by math, but you don’t have to be an expert at it-you just need to find the right calculator and know how to use it or be able to use something like Excel. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

Excel is definitely a class I need to take and be extra proficient in before I graduate. I have been told by other accountants that they really wish their new hires were already proficient in Excel. Janice

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I’m not sure if this guy is a troll or not. If he is, I have no idea what he’s going for. But if he’s legit, the only thing I can tell you is you’re instincts are probably right – encourage your kid to run from the notion of being a CPA. I’ve been at it for twelve years now, and it’s a nightmare of a job, a total beast bitch of a job. Insanely long hours, always dealing with people who are pissed off/angry/nervous/lying, the money’s not as good as you might think… the list goes on and on. And I’m trapped here for the next how many years, seeing this bad choice through until I can get out. And by then I’ll probably just have a heart attack and die because of all the stress and strain the job has put on me. Ugh. While being a cop might not be the world’s best answer either, the fantastic world of accounting has been nothing but bad to me. Let him write poetry or paint, or act, or write movies… anything would be better than the mark of doom that is being a CPA. Ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike Nice troll.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike Mike, Unlike you, I think most of us that read and respond in this newsgroup respect people such as yourself in whatever vocation or profession you may be in.  I think you will find that if Rob gets an education in accounting he will be able to do much more than just push a pencil.  He could become an FBI Agent, DEA Agent, fraud examiner and many more things related directly to accounting.  Accountants are no longer the people who sit in a corner or back office of a business with little input in the real world. Accountants who know anything about it can use a method that can predict within a 95% degree of accuracy whether or not a business will be bankrupt within three years. If I were you, I would tell Rob to go for it!  Give him some encouragement-if accounting is something he wants to do.  I don’t think any parent should push their child to become something they don’t want to be.

What beautiful advice. Children need to be encouraged to pursue their dreams. Every profession has its horror stories, so do families. My parents gave me roots and wings, the result? My father was an accountant. I became an accountant (willingly) and migrated into software development and business reengineering. We trained all of our six children in admin and work ethics (part-time while going to school), the result? 1. Trust Officer with a national Trust Company, handling the estates of some of the top Canadian families. 2. CA (Chartered Accountant) 3. Nurse 4. Police Officer 5. Administrative Assistant & Marketing 6. Psychologist And all of them made their choices without undue influence from either parent. Wolfgang Rochow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

Mike, Unlike you, I think most of us that read and respond in this newsgroup respect people such as yourself in whatever vocation or profession you may be in.  I think you will find that if Rob gets an education in accounting he will be able to do much more than just push a pencil.  He could become an FBI Agent, DEA Agent, fraud examiner and many more things related directly to accounting.  Accountants are no longer the people who sit in a corner or back office of a business with little input in the real world.  Accountants who know anything about it can use a method that can predict within a 95% degree of accuracy whether or not a business will be bankrupt within three years. If I were you, I would tell Rob to go for it!  Give him some encouragement-if accounting is something he wants to do.  I don’t think any parent should push their child to become something they don’t want to be. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

Tell him to become a trucker. Then go over to misc.transport.trucking for the horror stories there. You will get far more interesting trucking horror stories than you will accounting horror stories. Of course, there was that time the accountant was stabbed with his own pencil…..      ;-) — "Its the bugs that keep it running."                                       -Joe Canuck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

How about Al Capone? As I recall the accountants got him for tax evasion. Is that horrible enough? Jim Hudspeth, CPA, CFE

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He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work,

Can you say:  "FBI"?  Or maybe "Secret Service"?  "DEA"?  And there are probably many others where an accounting background / education is REQUIRED. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens, Georgia taxman at negia.net

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Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

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Mike, you said it all. The main reason for not becoming an accountant is having to deal with people like your self stereotyping him for the rest of his life. You wouldn’t know about that because most people do not have preconceived notions about cops. By the way its been aver 20 years since I pushed a pencil, and I’,m a CPA. Have you ever heard of computers? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello accountants! I’m in a real hole here, and I’d love to get some help from you guys. My seventeen year-old just had a meeting with his guidance counselor, and the two of them settled on the bright idea that he should pursue a career in accounting. I nearly threw up when he sprung this one on me. No offense to you all, but I’d rather shoot my son than let him go off and become a pencil pusher. He’s meant for more exciting careers – I’d love to see him get involved in police work, like me and two generations before him. So what I need from you would be some of the reasons that Rob shouldn’t become an accountant. Give me horror stories. The stuff that would scare anyone away from accounting once and for all. Thanks in advance – Mike

Nice troll.

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you reverse the entry only one.  in other words you look at what is referred to the T which is bank on one side and expense account on the other.  you redeposit and explain in the subject why you are reversing it.

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you reverse the entry only one.  in other words you look at what is referred to the T which is bank on one side and expense account on the other.  you redeposit and explain in the subject why you are reversing it.

If you are referring to Angela Thornton’s post about a stale-dated check, your response is not in compliance with generally accepted accounting principles as they exist in the United States. Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation

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| The Parks Board has refused to meet with the group in an open | question-and-answer session.  Instead, as Arjun passed along, they are | planning on holding a meeting tomorrow (June 19) and making a decision | at this time. Forwarded from a private mailing list: ===== From Greg Brush, Vice President of IndyFeral:

Thursday June 19, 2003 Hi all! Forgive me if I’m not very eloquent and don’t have the energy to give you a full accounting of today’s meeting of the Richmond Parks Board meeting right now. It was a very disheartening day. Here’s the gist: It was business as usual for the Richmond Parks Board. As if it were already scripted, the parks board unanimously, and without hesitation, approved two measures today. The first being a new Parks Department policy on nuisance animals; the second being their short-term solution for dealing with the current free-roaming cat "problem". Although their proposal included language suggesting that the parks board would remove and relocate the cats according to humane protocols and try to work in partnership with interested local groups like HELP the Animals, this suggestion brought groans from the small, packed assembly room. Considering that the parks department has defiantly ignored all appeals from HELP the Animals and the 350 concerned citizens who signed petitions in the past week, there is little belief that the Parks Department will do anything but dictate terms for participation in the process and those who will not abide by them will be dismissed and ignored. The last, and most important element of the Parks Department short-term plan indicated that cats which could not be relocated will be taken to the county shelter. Who determines if cats can be relocated? As you might guess, it’s apparently based on the Parks Department’s ability to find relocation sites. There were threats of prosecution by the City Attorney for anyone who interferes in the Parks Department plan. The City Attorney made an appearance to briefly clarify a minor point in the Parks Department plan, but seemed to be there primarily for reinforcement. Most in attendance today feared, but expected this decision. Since the parks department was discovered preparing fliers some weeks ago, warning adjacent home owners of their plans, their stance has been consistent — they want the cats out. Regardless, HELP the Animals supporters were devastated. The small group outside the administration office were sad and angry. They felt that those who were in place to represent their interests had ignored and betrayed that trust. No amount of factual support presented by HELP the Animals would sway the Parks Board. The comprehensive counter-proposal put forth by HELP the Animals at the beginning of the meeting didn’t even warrant additional study time by the board. The mayor’s response to the amazing outpouring of phone calls and e-mails was irritation. She feels that it’s not her problem. According to her, it’s the Parks Board’s decision. When her office was deluged with calls and e-mails on Wednesday, the phones were apparently taken off the hook. The story hasn’t ended yet. The people in Richmond who care for and about the cats are still working hard to see that somehow the cats are relocated properly. Public support for the cats may still have an impact on the situation. As those of you practicing TNR know, trapping cats isn’t as easy as it sounds. When I get a chance to regroup and recover, I will be giving you all more information to use to bring pressure to bear on Richmond officials. If anyone knows of suitable relocation sites within central Indiana or 317-258-7469 (cell) The concerned people of Richmond, and I, thank all of you who have expressed your concern and disgust at this amazing display of ignorance and indifference. We hope that continued pressure will give the City of Richmond, Indiana reasons to reconsider this plan. Sincerely, Greg Greg Brush Vice President, IndyFeral Inc. http://www.indyferal.org A resource for caretakers & friends of stray & feral cats in central Indiana IndyFeral Inc. P.O. Box 30054 Indianapolis, IN 46230 (317) 596-2300 =====

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| The Parks Board has refused to meet with the group in an open | question-and-answer session.  Instead, as Arjun passed along, they are | planning on holding a meeting tomorrow (June 19) and making a decision | at this time. | | If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is | the time to contact the city, today. | | City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 Other phone numbers:  Mayor Shelly Miller: 765-983-7208  Mr. Stan Lambert, Director of Parks & Recreation: 765-983-7275

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| If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is | the time to contact the city, today. | | City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 | | Thank you. Forwarded from a private mailing list: ===== Thank you everyone for all your great work! The Richmond phone lines and email have been flooded with your letters and calls, so much in fact, that here are their fax numbers if you can’t get through or have another thought to add: to fax Mayor Shelley Miller: 765-983-7212 to fax Stan Lambert, Director of Parks &Recreation: 765-983-7279 Now they’re at least telling people they intend to relocate, not kill, the cats, so we’re making progress. They know they’re being watched, too, which is so important. The main argument they’re making for removing the cats is that the cats are hunting wildlife in the park. While this is undoubtedly true to some extent, it’s also true that the TNR program has reduced the number of cats in the park and so has reduced wildlife predation. The Richmond officials are mistaken if they believe they can completely eliminate the impact on wildlife by trying to remove all the cats. History has shown time and time again that when you create a vacuum by removing a feral colony, new unneutered cats take their place from having been newly abandoned, not trapped, or migrated from neighboring feral colonies. These new cats rapidly reproduce as long as any food source remains and the situation ends up worse, not better, for wildlife. The only effective solution is a neutered, managed feral colony with a slowly declining population. What will happen otherwise in Glen Miller Park is an endless cycle of trapping and removing cats, who are then replaced by new cats who overbreed, then trapping, then new cats, etc. The futility and expense of this approach is why so many communities are now turning to TNR. What a shame if one community that could serve as a shining example and a model to others tries to turn back the clock and go back to failed ways! Let’s keep trying to help them get it right. =====

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I emailed the mayor this afternoon. Keep us posted. Gail

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is | the time to contact the city, today. | | City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 | | Thank you. Forwarded from a private mailing list: ===== Thank you everyone for all your great work! The Richmond phone lines and email have been flooded with your letters and calls, so much in fact, that here are their fax numbers if you can’t get through or have another thought to add: to fax Mayor Shelley Miller: 765-983-7212 to fax Stan Lambert, Director of Parks &Recreation: 765-983-7279 Now they’re at least telling people they intend to relocate, not kill, the cats, so we’re making progress. They know they’re being watched, too, which is so important. The main argument they’re making for removing the cats is that the cats are hunting wildlife in the park. While this is undoubtedly true to some extent, it’s also true that the TNR program has reduced the number of cats in the park and so has reduced wildlife predation. The Richmond officials are mistaken if they believe they can completely eliminate the impact on wildlife by trying to remove all the cats. History has shown time and time again that when you create a vacuum by removing a feral colony, new unneutered cats take their place from having been newly abandoned, not trapped, or migrated from neighboring feral colonies. These new cats rapidly reproduce as long as any food source remains and the situation ends up worse, not better, for wildlife. The only effective solution is a neutered, managed feral colony with a slowly declining population. What will happen otherwise in Glen Miller Park is an endless cycle of trapping and removing cats, who are then replaced by new cats who overbreed, then trapping, then new cats, etc. The futility and expense of this approach is why so many communities are now turning to TNR. What a shame if one community that could serve as a shining example and a model to others tries to turn back the clock and go back to failed ways! Let’s keep trying to help them get it right. =====

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is | the time to contact the city, today. | | City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 | | Thank you. Forwarded from a private mailing list: ===== Thank you everyone for all your great work! The Richmond phone lines and email have been flooded with your letters and calls, so much in fact, that here are their fax numbers if you can’t get through or have another thought to add:

This is good. I took the tack that the case is now *well known* on the Internet and is impacting their city image as being an inhumane place in our nation. Sometimes, that is something that city officials value more than anything else. I’m glad to hear letters, faxes and calls are having an effect. Karen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Friends, Thanks to Arjun Ray for fowarding the letter from Greg from IndyFerals.  Here is some more information about what has been happening and what is going on. After the horrible editorial mentioned in my last update, two of the members of the group caring for these cats were allowed a guest editorial, which was excellent.  They educated the staff of newspaper about TNR (of which the writer knew absolutely nothing).  Another article has run since then, which was more balanced and fair.  In it, however, the Parks Superintendent was suggesting that he was not going to just leave the cats alone.  Relocating them was mentioned, however. The group has been working on getting local support.  They have appeared on the radio in the past few days.  They have gotten in touch with the IndyFerals group for help.  They also have been attempting to find an attorney to help them, but none so far seem willing to touch this case.  It is possible they may be able to get a preliminary injunction to stop all action until the issue is resolved. The Parks Board has refused to meet with the group in an open question-and-answer session.  Instead, as Arjun passed along, they are planning on holding a meeting tomorrow (June 19) and making a decision at this time. If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is the time to contact the city, today. City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 Thank you. On behalf of the cats, Ginger-lyn

I sent letters to the mayor and city council president some time ago, but will send an e-mail tonight.  I sincerely hope it does some good! —— Krista

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I emailed the mayor, too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I emailed the mayor this afternoon. Keep us posted. Gail | If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is | the time to contact the city, today. | | City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 | | Thank you. Forwarded from a private mailing list: ===== Thank you everyone for all your great work! The Richmond phone lines and email have been flooded with your letters and calls, so much in fact, that here are their fax numbers if you can’t get through or have another thought to add: to fax Mayor Shelley Miller: 765-983-7212 to fax Stan Lambert, Director of Parks &Recreation: 765-983-7279 Now they’re at least telling people they intend to relocate, not kill, the cats, so we’re making progress. They know they’re being watched, too, which is so important. The main argument they’re making for removing the cats is that the cats are hunting wildlife in the park. While this is undoubtedly true to some extent, it’s also true that the TNR program has reduced the number of cats in the park and so has reduced wildlife predation. The Richmond officials are mistaken if they believe they can completely eliminate the impact on wildlife by trying to remove all the cats. History has shown time and time again that when you create a vacuum by removing a feral colony, new unneutered cats take their place from having been newly abandoned, not trapped, or migrated from neighboring feral colonies. These new cats rapidly reproduce as long as any food source remains and the situation ends up worse, not better, for wildlife. The only effective solution is a neutered, managed feral colony with a slowly declining population. What will happen otherwise in Glen Miller Park is an endless cycle of trapping and removing cats, who are then replaced by new cats who overbreed, then trapping, then new cats, etc. The futility and expense of this approach is why so many communities are now turning to TNR. What a shame if one community that could serve as a shining example and a model to others tries to turn back the clock and go back to failed ways! Let’s keep trying to help them get it right. =====

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Dear Friends, Thanks to Arjun Ray for fowarding the letter from Greg from IndyFerals.  Here is some more information about what has been happening and what is going on. After the horrible editorial mentioned in my last update, two of the members of the group caring for these cats were allowed a guest editorial, which was excellent.  They educated the staff of newspaper about TNR (of which the writer knew absolutely nothing).  Another article has run since then, which was more balanced and fair.  In it, however, the Parks Superintendent was suggesting that he was not going to just leave the cats alone.  Relocating them was mentioned, however. The group has been working on getting local support.  They have appeared on the radio in the past few days.  They have gotten in touch with the IndyFerals group for help.  They also have been attempting to find an attorney to help them, but none so far seem willing to touch this case.  It is possible they may be able to get a preliminary injunction to stop all action until the issue is resolved. The Parks Board has refused to meet with the group in an open question-and-answer session.  Instead, as Arjun passed along, they are planning on holding a meeting tomorrow (June 19) and making a decision at this time. If you have not yet contacted them — or even if you have — this is the time to contact the city, today. City of Richmond’s phone number is (765) 983-7200 Thank you. On behalf of the cats, Ginger-lyn

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Based on my experience in government, it sounds like the same old game. I’m sure Peekabo will not change your life.  It does, however, appear to be about to change the world of public auditing. Jim Hudspeth

Bet you it doesn’t change it the way you think it is going to change it. BTW, anything done to American public companies effects the life of every American.  It is not by magic that California got the 45th worst unemployment rate in the nation. (statistical source, BLS, USDOL, 3/03 numbers) I notice Washington is 50th, so maybe the lesson was wasted. — Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, China, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, Wiley, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ACCOUNTING Cops Hit the Audit Beat The accounting board is poised to become a powerhouse. FORTUNE Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum The new organization that will oversee the auditing of publicly traded companies–the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB)–doesn’t seem threatening. Its original business cards included a typo ("Overshight"). Its nickname, Peekabo, sounds like a baby’s game. Its D.C. office is so empty that when the receptionist leaves, she puts up a sign that reads Receptionist Is Out. Please Knock on Door. Often one of the four board members answers. Don’t be fooled. PCAOB staffers take perverse pride in knowing that the previous occupant of their office was Arthur Andersen, the accounting firm that collapsed after precisely the sorts of scandals PCAOB will guard against. <snip Board members say one of their first tasks will be to scrutinize the formulas accounting firms use to pay audit partners. If the formulas provide more incentives for selling services (such as tax advice) than conducting quality audits, PCAOB can and probably will demand changes (subject to SEC approval). <snip Beginning in late October, only firms registered with PCAOB will be permitted to audit public companies. To gain that vital approval, accountants will have to come clean about any civil or criminal proceedings against them. The audit practices of the biggest firms will be evaluated annually by board-hired inspectors. Smaller firms will get the same treatment every three years. If the board finds serious deficiencies, the firms could be fined up to $15 million or be barred entirely from public auditing. http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,454872,00.html This sounds like a whole new game. Jim Hudspeth

Well. (1) They hired an insider banker to run it. (2) They hired a college professor (Clinton’s favorite staffing source) to run the audit function. (3) They suspended merit staffing for the hiring process (a Carter & Clinton legacy). (4) Fortune Magazine is puffing it. Based on my experience in government, it sounds like the same old game. — Boycott list: Belgium, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, China, Iran, Syria, Hollywood, San Francisco, Massachusetts, New York City, Sierra Club, ACLU, Movies of the first blacklist, Turner, Madonna, S. Crowe, Dixie Chicks, Cher, U2, rapp, Trudeau, Wiley, Disney, ABC news, CBS news, NBC news, CNN, PBS, Sometimes the only influence you have is to say, "No, I’m not buying."

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ACCOUNTING Cops Hit the Audit Beat The accounting board is poised to become a powerhouse. FORTUNE Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum The new organization that will oversee the auditing of publicly traded companies–the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB)–doesn’t seem threatening. Its original business cards included a typo ("Overshight"). Its nickname, Peekabo, sounds like a baby’s game. Its D.C. office is so empty that when the receptionist leaves, she puts up a sign that reads Receptionist Is Out. Please Knock on Door. Often one of the four board members answers. Don’t be fooled. PCAOB staffers take perverse pride in knowing that the previous occupant of their office was Arthur Andersen, the accounting firm that collapsed after precisely the sorts of scandals PCAOB will guard against. <snip Board members say one of their first tasks will be to scrutinize the formulas accounting firms use to pay audit partners. If the formulas provide more incentives for selling services (such as tax advice) than conducting quality audits, PCAOB can and probably will demand changes (subject to SEC approval). <snip Beginning in late October, only firms registered with PCAOB will be permitted to audit public companies. To gain that vital approval, accountants will have to come clean about any civil or criminal proceedings against them. The audit practices of the biggest firms will be evaluated annually by board-hired inspectors. Smaller firms will get the same treatment every three years. If the board finds serious deficiencies, the firms could be fined up to $15 million or be barred entirely from public auditing. http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,454872,00.html This sounds like a whole new game.   Jim Hudspeth

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Based on my experience in government, it sounds like the same old game.

I’m sure Peekabo will not change your life.  It does, however, appear to be about to change the world of public auditing. Jim Hudspeth

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ACCOUNTING Cops Hit the Audit Beat The accounting board is poised to become a powerhouse. FORTUNE Wednesday, May 28, 2003 By Jeffrey H. Birnbaum The new organization that will oversee the auditing of publicly traded companies–the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB)–doesn’t seem threatening. Its original business cards included a typo ("Overshight"). Its nickname, Peekabo, sounds like a baby’s game. Its D.C. office is so empty that when the receptionist leaves, she puts up a sign that reads Receptionist Is Out. Please Knock on Door. Often one of the four board members answers. Don’t be fooled. PCAOB staffers take perverse pride in knowing that the previous occupant of their office was Arthur Andersen, the accounting firm that collapsed after precisely the sorts of scandals PCAOB will guard against. <snip Board members say one of their first tasks will be to scrutinize the formulas accounting firms use to pay audit partners. If the formulas provide more incentives for selling services (such as tax advice) than conducting quality audits, PCAOB can and probably will demand changes (subject to SEC approval). <snip Beginning in late October, only firms registered with PCAOB will be permitted to audit public companies. To gain that vital approval, accountants will have to come clean about any civil or criminal proceedings against them. The audit practices of the biggest firms will be evaluated annually by board-hired inspectors. Smaller firms will get the same treatment every three years. If the board finds serious deficiencies, the firms could be fined up to $15 million or be barred entirely from public auditing. http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,454872,00.html This sounds like a whole new game. Jim Hudspeth Well. (1) They hired an insider banker to run it. (2) They hired a college professor (Clinton’s favorite staffing source) to run the audit function. (3) They suspended merit staffing for the hiring process (a Carter & Clinton legacy). (4) Fortune Magazine is puffing it. Based on my experience in government, it sounds like the same old game.

Possibly true, except there is so much public outcry now that the agency will have SSSOOOO much power that they can not be ignored. What about the provision in Sarbanes-Oxley that provides for an AUDIT by peek-a-boo of the internal audit function of every company subject to the regulations.  (NOTE – I state "every company subject to the regulations". This law effects not only publicly traded companies but also those that have public debt – though not publicly traded.  There are many companies that have bond issues out there that are subject to SEC regulations that ARE NOT publicly traded.)  Now consider that audit staff that that would in the forth quarter of  ’03.  So with out staffing to fulfill this requirement who will do it?  Oh yes the Big 4 can do it.  BBUUTT wait that won’t work – there the ones the act is supposed to be monitoring. I’m sorry but this is just one example of how poorly thought out Sarbanes-Oxley Act is. Regards, Mark X Rigotti

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Associated Press — (Atlanta, GA) — Currently embroiled in yet another controversy and looking for ways to restore waning public confidence, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson has agreed to be the Official Scorekeeper of RSG-ATLANTA, it was announced today by The Royal & Ancient Ouimets team Captain and Grand Poobah of RSG-ATLANTA Randy Brown. "We’re looking for every competitive edge we can get," said Brown, "not that we need it.  That mountain hillbilly in softspikes who’s captaining Team Pizza Delivery should have known we’d pull out all the stops.  If Arthur Anderson can cover up billions of dollars, I figure a few strokes here and there should be a snap for them to hide.  If he weren’t so busy trying to locate extra meat to fill his next order, he might have thought of this." Randy                 Troll intolerant.  I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.                "Smoke ‘em out … dead or alive, I don’t care."                                            - G. Bush                I do not patronize those who advertise in RSG.       RSG-ATLANTA 2002 – www.YouGoGolf.com/rsga.org                   Golf on the web – www.YouGoGolf.com

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LOL, good one Randy. Martha Stewert will be adjusting the handicaps after the tournament. — Mike Welch RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=welchm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Associated Press — (Atlanta, GA) — Currently embroiled in yet another controversy and looking for ways to restore waning public confidence, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson has agreed to be the Official Scorekeeper of RSG-ATLANTA, it was announced today by The Royal & Ancient Ouimets team Captain and Grand Poobah of RSG-ATLANTA Randy Brown. "We’re looking for every competitive edge we can get," said Brown, "not that we need it.  That mountain hillbilly in softspikes who’s captaining Team Pizza Delivery should have known we’d pull out all the stops.  If Arthur Anderson can cover up billions of dollars, I figure a few strokes here and there should be a snap for them to hide.  If he weren’t so busy trying to locate extra meat to fill his next order, he might have thought of this." Randy                 Troll intolerant.  I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.                "Smoke ‘em out … dead or alive, I don’t care."                                            - G. Bush                I do not patronize those who advertise in RSG.       RSG-ATLANTA 2002 – www.YouGoGolf.com/rsga.org                   Golf on the web – www.YouGoGolf.com

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I suppose the Omelet’s official motto is "The only wood we need is a pencil!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Associated Press — (Atlanta, GA) — Currently embroiled in yet another controversy and looking for ways to restore waning public confidence, the accounting firm of Arthur Anderson has agreed to be the Official Scorekeeper of RSG-ATLANTA, it was announced today by The Royal & Ancient Ouimets team Captain and Grand Poobah of RSG-ATLANTA Randy Brown. "We’re looking for every competitive edge we can get," said Brown, "not that we need it.  That mountain hillbilly in softspikes who’s captaining Team Pizza Delivery should have known we’d pull out all the stops.  If Arthur Anderson can cover up billions of dollars, I figure a few strokes here and there should be a snap for them to hide.  If he weren’t so busy trying to locate extra meat to fill his next order, he might have thought of this." Randy                 Troll intolerant.  I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.                "Smoke ‘em out … dead or alive, I don’t care."                                            - G. Bush                I do not patronize those who advertise in RSG.       RSG-ATLANTA 2002 – www.YouGoGolf.com/rsga.org                   Golf on the web – www.YouGoGolf.com

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I suppose the Omelet’s official motto is "The only wood we need is a pencil!"

TBI statement to reporters:  "We’ve got a lot of irons in the fire. (That’s the only way we’re going to get ‘em hot!)"

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I suppose the Omelet’s official motto is "The only wood we need is a pencil!"

The difference, Gary, between the Ouimets and Team Pizza Delivery is that our pencils don’t need erasers. Make sure you have a big pink one.  I think you’re going to need it. Mike Mike Dalecki       RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers.  Help keep RSG clean!   GCA Accredited Clubmaker.  Web Site:  http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call:  http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim

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Hello, I have been reading this news group for a while searching for opinions on accounting packages.  I have read lots of interesting posts by many knowledgeable individuals but I have not found exactly what I am looking for.  Therefore I thought I would post my questions a see if anyone had some opinions.  I would like to thank you in advance for considering my questions. I am a software developer by profession and I oversee, on the side (for my mother), two bowling centers.  My office is located in one city (Portland Oregon) and the bowling centers are located in two other cities.  I am looking for an accounting package that will allow the following: I would like the employees in each center to be able to enter data into the bookkeeping system (e.g. sales figures, payroll hours, inventory changes etc.).  They should be able to generate reports.  I would also like to generate reports while in Portland. The bowling centers are mostly cash businesses and so we have numerous cash control systems that follow the cash around.  These are done manually or on excel spreadsheets.  I would like to have this information along with journal files from our cash register system to somehow end up in the accounting database. I currently use QB as the accounting package.  There are quite a few problems with this: 1)    I can’t really use the QB multi-user system over the Internet as each QB package will want to access the complete database (10+ Megs). All of the data will have to be passed to the querying client. 2)    I have to manually reenter data from our cash control systems into QB.  I have looked at QB’s import facility and it seems fraught with problems (e.g. data could be accidentally imported twice and then it’s a big mess to straighten things out). So, I have considered a few solutions: 1)   I could get multi-user QB and put three computers in one location (networked, one for me, and one for each remote business).  Then each remote user would have to use remote desktop to talk to their computer, which would be running QB.  This seems like a kluge to me-I would have to have two extra computers, etc.  This also doesn’t solve the data re-entry problems.  Also, report printing would be fairly complex, as the central QB system would want to print the report locally. 2)    I could use some net-based accounting system.  I don’t like this idea as I would like to be in control of my data. 3)    I could find some client/server system and locate the server somewhere.  Then each remote user could be a client.  This seems more esthetically pleasing to me.  I still need to figure out how to avoid the data reentry. So, it seems like I would like to find a client server accounting package.  It would be great if this accounting package allowed me to design input screens and also could import data files (e.g. spreadsheets and journal files written by our cash register system). And one final issue:  These business are small business (< $1M between both of them) so I can afford to spend $000s for an accounting package. Does anyone have suggestions of packages to look at? Again, thanks for your time. Greg Laird

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Search on this newsgroup or the QuickBooks newsgroup for discussions on windows terminal server and look on the internet for netledger (I think thats the name, its from Oracle). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have been reading this news group for a while searching for opinions on accounting packages.  I have read lots of interesting posts by many knowledgeable individuals but I have not found exactly what I am looking for.  Therefore I thought I would post my questions a see if anyone had some opinions.  I would like to thank you in advance for considering my questions. I am a software developer by profession and I oversee, on the side (for my mother), two bowling centers.  My office is located in one city (Portland Oregon) and the bowling centers are located in two other cities.  I am looking for an accounting package that will allow the following: I would like the employees in each center to be able to enter data into the bookkeeping system (e.g. sales figures, payroll hours, inventory changes etc.).  They should be able to generate reports.  I would also like to generate reports while in Portland. The bowling centers are mostly cash businesses and so we have numerous cash control systems that follow the cash around.  These are done manually or on excel spreadsheets.  I would like to have this information along with journal files from our cash register system to somehow end up in the accounting database. I currently use QB as the accounting package.  There are quite a few problems with this: 1)    I can’t really use the QB multi-user system over the Internet as each QB package will want to access the complete database (10+ Megs). All of the data will have to be passed to the querying client. 2)    I have to manually reenter data from our cash control systems into QB.  I have looked at QB’s import facility and it seems fraught with problems (e.g. data could be accidentally imported twice and then it’s a big mess to straighten things out). So, I have considered a few solutions: 1)   I could get multi-user QB and put three computers in one location (networked, one for me, and one for each remote business).  Then each remote user would have to use remote desktop to talk to their computer, which would be running QB.  This seems like a kluge to me-I would have to have two extra computers, etc.  This also doesn’t solve the data re-entry problems.  Also, report printing would be fairly complex, as the central QB system would want to print the report locally. 2)    I could use some net-based accounting system.  I don’t like this idea as I would like to be in control of my data. 3)    I could find some client/server system and locate the server somewhere.  Then each remote user could be a client.  This seems more esthetically pleasing to me.  I still need to figure out how to avoid the data reentry. So, it seems like I would like to find a client server accounting package.  It would be great if this accounting package allowed me to design input screens and also could import data files (e.g. spreadsheets and journal files written by our cash register system). And one final issue:  These business are small business (< $1M between both of them) so I can afford to spend $000s for an accounting package. Does anyone have suggestions of packages to look at? Again, thanks for your time. Greg Laird

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Check BEST enterprise suite. It will do everything you need. DB is SQL Server. BUt I don’t think you will be able to afford this one – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have been reading this news group for a while searching for opinions on accounting packages.  I have read lots of interesting posts by many knowledgeable individuals but I have not found exactly what I am looking for.  Therefore I thought I would post my questions a see if anyone had some opinions.  I would like to thank you in advance for considering my questions. I am a software developer by profession and I oversee, on the side (for my mother), two bowling centers.  My office is located in one city (Portland Oregon) and the bowling centers are located in two other cities.  I am looking for an accounting package that will allow the following: I would like the employees in each center to be able to enter data into the bookkeeping system (e.g. sales figures, payroll hours, inventory changes etc.).  They should be able to generate reports.  I would also like to generate reports while in Portland. The bowling centers are mostly cash businesses and so we have numerous cash control systems that follow the cash around.  These are done manually or on excel spreadsheets.  I would like to have this information along with journal files from our cash register system to somehow end up in the accounting database. I currently use QB as the accounting package.  There are quite a few problems with this: 1)    I can’t really use the QB multi-user system over the Internet as each QB package will want to access the complete database (10+ Megs). All of the data will have to be passed to the querying client. 2)    I have to manually reenter data from our cash control systems into QB.  I have looked at QB’s import facility and it seems fraught with problems (e.g. data could be accidentally imported twice and then it’s a big mess to straighten things out). So, I have considered a few solutions: 1)   I could get multi-user QB and put three computers in one location (networked, one for me, and one for each remote business).  Then each remote user would have to use remote desktop to talk to their computer, which would be running QB.  This seems like a kluge to me-I would have to have two extra computers, etc.  This also doesn’t solve the data re-entry problems.  Also, report printing would be fairly complex, as the central QB system would want to print the report locally. 2)    I could use some net-based accounting system.  I don’t like this idea as I would like to be in control of my data. 3)    I could find some client/server system and locate the server somewhere.  Then each remote user could be a client.  This seems more esthetically pleasing to me.  I still need to figure out how to avoid the data reentry. So, it seems like I would like to find a client server accounting package.  It would be great if this accounting package allowed me to design input screens and also could import data files (e.g. spreadsheets and journal files written by our cash register system). And one final issue:  These business are small business (< $1M between both of them) so I can afford to spend $000s for an accounting package. Does anyone have suggestions of packages to look at? Again, thanks for your time. Greg Laird

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i need to learn the basics of excel. i was not taught that in my accounting school. does anyone know of a web site that sells a low cost edition of excel?tia guy from long island

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Being in or near a highly populated place like new york should make it easier.   1. Find your local usenet group for FOR SALE, check it out and post a WTB there (wanted to buy) 2. Try ebay — do a search.  Many times there are folks selling older versions 3. Be willing to get an older version (but not older than 97).  A used older version should be very significantly cheaper –i need to learn the basics of excel. i was not taught that in my –accounting school. does anyone know of a web site that sells a low –cost edition of excel?tia guy from long island

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Does anyone have the formula or (better instructions than the 1120S form) for how to calculate the Accumulated Adjustments Account on Schedule M-2 that is the last section of the 1120 S form for S-corps? We use SBT Pro series for our accounting, and need to know what data to pull together to do this calculation. Thanks

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I’m not a CPA, but basically Accumulated Adjustments is increased by taxable income and reduced by owner withdrawals. Since taxes are paid on the owners personal tax return, owners can withdraw cash from the corporation without any tax impact. This is similar to the equity account in a sole proprietorship. basically, you adjust retained earnings by those items that are not  deductible (i.e. 1/2 meals and entertainment, traffic tickets, …). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have the formula or (better instructions than the 1120S form) for how to calculate the Accumulated Adjustments Account on Schedule M-2 that is the last section of the 1120 S form for S-corps? We use SBT Pro series for our accounting, and need to know what data to pull together to do this calculation. Thanks

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Since this idiocy was already on the OKC bomb mailing list, I thought I’d give the same responses I did there. No change seems to have been made because of my response.  Here is round 1.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Tony, I’ve got the essay done and I’m sending it to you now.  Please advise me on how to "get it out there".  Thanks for your help this morning regarding tips for remembering the fine details of testimony.  Referring to daily reports was helpful.   IN DEFENSE OF TIM AND TERRY As the prosecution rests its case in the second Oklahoma Bombing Trial I want to express my observations and conclusions. This trial, like the last one, is a farce. The scenarios we are expected to believe are so ridiculous that they should be made into slapstick for us all to laugh at. If it weren’t so tragic it would actually be funny.  I keep wishing that Jay Leno would create nightly skits like he did for the Simpson Trial.  But it will never happen because Jay Leno’s network wouldn’t allow it.  It is obvious that the television networks, newspapers, magazines and radio stations are under the control of the government…who are under the control of the multi-nationals…who are bowing and scraping to APEC and the EUROPEAN UNION.  Our sovereignty is gone…given away for the price of admission. Now the NEW WORLD ORDER is in charge and they will make criminals and prisoners of anyone who stands to resist them.  Our government has joined forces with these powers and has betrayed us all.  Our government is escalating its attacks against our freedoms.  It is dangerous now to talk about the travesties that are daily perpetrated.  Tim McVeigh spoke openly against government transgressions. For that reason he was set up to be made an example of.  And boy, was he made an example of.   You wanna know what they did to him?  Here’s my scenario.  

My scenario is that you don’t have a clue.  There are lots of areas of legitimate dispute about the OKC bombing.  In particular, who did it. There is also the issue of whether there were other bombs in addition to a very large truck bomb.  But this post although similar from what I have read elsewhere is ridiculous. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The undercover agents who intended to "use" Tim McVeigh befriended him by posing as patriots.  Maybe they encouraged him to form a militia group. He was developing a growing awareness of what the nation was up against and he wanted to participate in protecting it in an organized, peaceful manner. Naturally he would be drawn to people who shared his core beliefs.  His honesty, intelligence, diligence, civic responsibility, skills, training and experiences and his genuine concern for his fellow man made him a natural leader. These new friends of his convinced him at some point to wait for them at the Dreamland Motel with a Ryder truck.  Maybe when they gave him the Ryder they told him they were moving their household goods and relocating so they could all be together to form their militia?  Maybe when they picked up the Ryder they told him to rendezvous with them somewhere at a certain date?  Maybe that’s why he was on the road north of Oklahoma the morning of the bombing?  He certainly wouldn’t have rented the room in his own name and parked the truck if he’d been planning to use it to bomb a federal building…now would he?  Furthermore, witnesses saw the Ryder at the Dreamland on Easter Sunday…the day before a Ryder was rented at Elliot’s by John Doe #1 and John Doe #2.  Got to make you wonder doesn’t it?  However, for their plan to work SOMEHOW they had to have Tim associated with a Ryder and on the road available for pick-up.  That they did accomplish.

Let’s not mention any of the facts tying Tim to the bombing shall we. Terry Nicholls may be acquitted.   When the trooper pulled the decrepit Mercury Marquis over McVeigh had no idea that a bomb had gone off in Oklahoma City or that a Ryder truck would later come back to plague him.  Nor did he ever get the opportunity to set the record straight. By order of Judge Matsch Tim was not allowed to speak and by advice of his own counsel he was told not to talk about the case in any specifics during interviews.  He believed that the truth would emerge during the trial and that the nonverifiable leaks and eye-witness accounts would prove to be "90% bogus". And you know what?  I believe him.  To further muzzle him he wasn’t even allowed to stand up in court and speak in his own defense although he desperately wanted to.

That’s false. Tim could get on the stand and say I didn’t do.  And there wasn’t a damn thing his defense lawyer could do to stop him.   Imagine being deprived of the right to face your accusers and speak for yourself.  Once it was all over he said in an interview that his lawyer had lied to him "like you wouldn’t believe".

And before Tim was sentenced he could have made a statement that he was innocent. There wasn’t a damn thing his lawyer could do about it. Regarding the case against McVeigh and Nichols …it’s all fabricated.  Its built entirely around the lie that a truck-bomb caused the death and destruction.

The truck bomb created a large crater.  The crater indicates that the bomb had the power of 4000 lbs of TNT.   The truck bomb threw heavy parts of the bomb hundreds of feet in all directions.  Go read the testimony of the British Bomb expert at the Nicholls trial on the afternoon of the 1st or 2nd of December. Even Partin agrees in his report that a 4800 lb ANFO bomb (less powerful than the equivalent of 4000 lbs of TNT) would collapse part of the lower floors. As does Culbertson in the "Eglin Bomb Effects Study" (which it isn’t). The governments’ evidence and witnesses were all staged to connect McVeigh to a bomb that was as ineffective against the steel-enforced Murrah as a bb gun would be against an elephant.  

And then there’s the damage to the rest of downtown OKC.  The size of the truck bomb is  reflected in the area of damage.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The Murrah building contained records of government crimes at Mena, Ruby Ridge and Waco. The government wanted it gone anyway…why not knock off the building and a patriot and get oppressive legislation passed to boot? Tim had already been chosen as the scapegoat for the operation.  They knew when and where they’d be picking him up and they knew how they’d connect him to the bomb components.  TRUCK BOMBS had been introduced to the psyche of the nation through coverage of IRA attacks, Beruit, World Trade Center…you name it…they were your generic terrorist weapon. Now granted, your generic terrorist wasn’t usually a well adjusted, well educated, blue-eyed, blond, outstanding American citizen…but then again it was time to portray a new FACE OF TERROR – one more in line with what the government perceived as "the enemy". Knowing that in reality an ANFO bomb hidden inside a twenty-foot truck would not destroy the structure the perpetrators covered that technicality by placing REAL bombs next to pillars strategically placed INSIDE the building. It must have been a RED ALERT, RED ALERT when two went off but three failed to detonate.

Where’d this come from?  Which TWO pillars inside the building were destroyed by REAL bombs?  What’s the explanation for the FOUR pillars that failed?  FOUR not TWO: G16, G20, G24 and F24. Three failed?  Who found them and when?  Where were they found? A real scramble went on as they got everyone out and removed the incriminating evidence.  The film and newscasts documenting this turn of events have since been seized and suppressed.

Duhh…people taped most of the newscasts.  I’m not aware of any of the raw footage shot at the Murrah building being seized. Please provide details.   Video tapes and pictures showing the commission of the crime were probably seized as evidence.  There is a difference.  Within hours the WhiteHouse released a press release telling us all that a carbomb had done the job.  End of story…pack up the equipment…hand over the film. Get focused on the carbomb, cum truckbomb…cum Ryder truck bomb.  Okey dokey. An hour or so after the bombing the FBI "got their man".   Over the next two years the government arranged for witnesses to testify and for evidence to materialize that would connect Tim to the Ryder and ANFO bomb components.  It is my opinion, from having read the entire transcript of Tim’s trial, and up to today in the Nichol’s trial, that none of the prosecution’s evidence stands up to cross-examination.

None. None. None??????  This is hilarious. [big, big snip] As I close and prepare for reading the case put forward by Nichol’s defense and then within the next couple of weeks the closing arguments and ultimately the verdict I want to remind people that this trial has nothing to do with bringing to justice the guilty parties. This trial is about people who commit atrocities and then find scapegoats to carry their blame. It’s an American Tragedy because we are witnessing the death of our system as we know it.  It’s a frightening preview of what is in store for those of us who desire to live free lives governed by decent people. Please pray for Tim and Terry.  And pray for us as well.

I’d pray that the author could separate what is real from what is fantasy.  A big bomb went off outside the Murrah building. Period. There may have been 3,000  little bombs inside the Murrah building. The bomb outside the Murrah building might have been made out of chewing gum. But it was there. —– End Included Message —–

Sheldon — Sheldon Sheps   Militia – History and Law FAQ http://www.militia-watchdog.org/faq1.htm You don’t have to agree with what’s in it. But it sure explains a lot of the issues. I am researching OKC bombS         theories and welcome any new … read more »

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Written by a friend who wanted this circulated: IN DEFENSE OF TIM AND TERRY As the prosecution rests its case in the second Oklahoma Bombing Trial I want to express my observations and conclusions.  This trial, like the last one, is a farce. The scenarios we are expected to believe are so ridiculous that they should be made into a slapstick for us all to laugh at.  If it weren’t so tragic it would actually be funny.  I keep wishing that Jay Leno would create nightly skits like he did for the Simpson Trial.  But it will never happen because Jay Leno’s network wouldn’t allow it.  It is obvious that the television networks, newspapers, magazines and radio stations are under the control of the government…who are under the control of the multi-nationals…who are bowing and scraping to APEC and the EUROPEAN UNION.  Our sovereignty is gone…given away for the price of admission.  Now the NEW WORLD ORDER is in charge and they will make criminals and prisoners of anyone who stands to resist them.  Our government has joined forces with these powers and has betrayed us all.  Our government is escalating its attacks against our freedoms.  It is dangerous now to talk about the travesties that are daily perpetrated.  Tim McVeigh spoke openly against government transgressions.  For that reason he was set up to be made an example of.  And boy, was he made an example of. You wanna know what they did to him?  Here’s my scenario. The undercover agents who intended to "use" Tim McVeigh befriended him by posing as patriots.  Maybe they encouraged him to form a militia group.  He was developing a growing awareness of what the nation was up against and he wanted to participate in protecting it in an organized, peaceful manner.  Naturally he would be drawn to people who shared his core beliefs.  His honesty, intelligence, diligence, civic responsibility, skills, training and experiences and his genuine concern for his fellow man made him a natural leader.  These new friends of his convinced him at some point to wait for them at the Dreamland Motel with a Ryder truck.  Maybe when they gave him the Ryder they told him they were moving their household goods and relocating so they could all be together to form their militia?  Maybe when they picked up the Ryder they told him to rendezvous with them somewhere at a certain date?  Maybe that’s why he was on the road north of Oklahoma the morning of the bombing?  He certainly wouldn’t have rented the room in his own name and parked the truck if he’d been planning to use it to bomb a federal building…now would he?  Furthermore, witnesses saw the Ryder at the Dreamland on Easter Sunday…the day before a Ryder was rented at Elliot’s by John Doe #1 and John Doe #2. Got to make you wonder doesn’t it?  However, for their plan to work SOMEHOW they had to have Tim associated with a Ryder and on the road available for pick-up.  That they did accomplish. When the trooper pulled the decrepit Mercury Marquis over McVeigh had no idea that a bomb had gone off in Oklahoma City or that a Ryder truck would later come back to plague him.  Nor did he ever get the opportunity to set the record straight.  By order of Judge Matsch Tim was not allowed to speak and by advice of his own counsel he was told not to talk about the case in any specifics during interviews. He believed that the truth would emerge during the trial and that the nonverifiable leaks and eye-witness accounts would prove to be "90% bogus".  And you know what?  I believe him.  To further muzzle him he wasn’t even allowed to stand up in court and speak in his own defense although he desperately wanted to.  Imagine being deprived of the right to face your accusers and speak for yourself.  Once it was all over he said in an interview that his lawyer had lied to him "like you wouldn’t believe". Regarding the case against McVeigh and Nichols…it’s all fabricated.  It’s built entirely around the lie that a truckbomb caused the death and destruction.  I’m not saying that a truckbomb wasn’t there, or that one didn’t explode. Bomb experts believe some of the damage could have been inflicted by a truckbomb.  But the truckbomb’s purpose was to act as a smoke-bomb.  The government’s evidence and witnesses were all staged to connect McVeigh to a bomb that was as ineffective against the steel-enforced Murrah as a bb gun would be against an elephant.  The Murrah building contained records of government crimes at Mena, Ruby Ridge and Waco.  The government wanted it gone anyway…why not knock off the building and a patriot and get oppressive legislation passed to boot? Tim had already been chosen as the scapegoat for the operation.  They knew when and where they’d be picking him up and they knew how they’d connect him to the bomb components. Truckbombs had been introduced to the psyche of the nation through coverage of IRA attacks, Beruit, World Trade Center…you name it…they were your generic terrorist weapon.  Now granted, your generic terrorist wasn’t usually a well adjusted, well educated, blue-eyed, blond, outstanding American citizen…but then again it was time to portray a new FACE OF TERROR – one more in line with what the government perceived as "the enemy". Knowing that in reality an ANFO bomb hidden inside a twenty-foot truck would not destroy the structure the perpetrators covered that technicality by placing REAL bombs next to pillars strategically placed INSIDE the building. It must have been a RED ALERT, RED ALERT when two went off but three failed to detonate.  A real scramble went on as they got everyone out and removed the incriminating evidence.  The film and newscasts documenting this turn of events have since been seized and suppressed.  Within hours the WhiteHouse released a press release telling us all that a carbomb had done the job.  End of story…pack up the equipment…hand over the film.  Get focused on the carbomb, cum truckbomb…cum Ryder truckbomb.  Okey-dokey. An hour or so after the bombing the FBI "got their man". Over the next two years the government arranged for witnesses to testify and for evidence to materialize that would connect Tim to the Ryder and ANFO bomb components. It is my opinion, from having read the entire transcript of Tim’s trial, and up to today in the Nichols’ trial, that none of the prosecution’s evidence stands up to cross-examination.  It was brought out in the trial that the witnesses who inflicted the most damage to Tim and Terry had their testimony pulled out of them through threat and intimidation.  It didn’t take them too long to turn Michael and Lori Fortier completely around.  One minute they are defending Tim eloquently and with conviction and the next they are putty in the government’s hands…bleating "yes m’am, or "no m’am" or "yes sir, no sir…whatever you say sir".  But then with the most powerful law-enforcement agency in the country telling you "you’re gonna fry…like Tim" I’d wager that most of us would come around to their way of thinking and start "remembering" things we never knew.  It’s no wonder that witness descriptions changed from "swarthy, 5′10" to "thin, 6′2", or from "I don’t recall" to "now that you mention it I think it had a white canopy"…or whatever was required at the time. Most of the witnesses brought forth in the Nichols’ trial have been FBI or ATF agents.  Coincidently, some of them were involved in some capacity with the Ruby Ridge or Waco incidents or investigations and others in Mena and even in Columbia.  I perceive it to be a conflict of interest that they are now supposedly representing truth and light when their actions in the past have resulted in charges against them and a congressional hearing. The largest conflict of interest though would be that Tim and Terry represent their arch rivals in that Tim spoke out strongly against their actions in Ruby Ridge and Waco…and now here they are compiling a case against him. Following is the evidence that supposedly directly links McVeigh and Nichols to the truckbomb – the crux of the case. I have concluded from listening to the testimony that this evidence is of "dubious" merit.   A case could be made that every bit of it is either fabricated, planted or connected through scripted testimony. AMMONIUM NITRATE (4,800 POUNDS) -SEP/94 SUPPOSEDLY TERRY WENT INTO A CO-OP AND PURCHASED THE FERTILIZER IN TWO SEPERATE TRANSACTIONS OF 2,000 POUNDS EACH (TOTAL $450) USING A PHONY NAME AND PAYING CASH (The challenge of tracing the receipts was a monumental accounting operation conducted by an FBI agent who eventually isolated two receipts.  The co-op salesmen described a customer who did not bear Nichols’ description. According to testimony from Fortier Tim told him they would be robbing a gun dealer to get money to buy bomb components but here’s Nichols paying cash before he’s done the robbery and sold the stolen guns.) -SUPPOSEDLY MCVEIGH’S FINGERPRINT IS FOUND ON A FERTILIZER RECEIPT WRAPPED AROUND TWO $50 COINS IN NICHOLS’ KITCHEN DRAWER (The fingerprint expert is…you guessed it…an FBI agent…not the impartial professional that most people would want to entrust their fingerprint indentification to in a case dependant on connecting defendents to bomb components.  This fingerprint expert acknowledged in cross-examination that "This is the biggest case in FBI history…with lots at stake".) FUEL OIL (NITROMETHANE) – OCT 21/94 SUPPOSEDLY TIM DRESSED UP AS A BIKER WENT TO A RACE COURSE IN TEXAS WHERE HE PAID $2775 FOR THREE 55 GALLON DRUMS OF RACING FUEL (The FBI used Fortier for testimony

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snippage below Written by a friend who wanted this circulated: IN DEFENSE OF TIM AND TERRY It is obvious that the television networks, newspapers, magazines and radio stations are under the control of the government…who are under the control of the multi-nationals…who are bowing and scraping to APEC and the EUROPEAN UNION.  

What European Union? perpetrated.  Tim McVeigh spoke openly against government transgressions.  For that reason he was set up to be made an example of.  And boy, was he made an example of.

Judging only on the basis of the defense of himself he waged, Tim McVeigh did a hell of a lot more than speak openly about it.  He practically admitted that he did it, and he did it because of Waco. You wanna know what they did to him?  Here’s my scenario. Regarding the case against McVeigh and Nichols…it’s all fabricated.  

Thanks for clearing that up. An hour or so after the bombing the FBI "got their man". Over the next two years the government arranged for witnesses to testify and for evidence to materialize that would connect Tim to the Ryder and ANFO bomb components.

For starters, which witnesses perjured themselves, and why?  Please be sure to list every witness who testified against Timmy and Terry. The rest of your treatise is filed for potential later perusal. —                            Lynn Wallace    The real conspiracy is that kooks like Ian Goddard can command the     attention of the world while skeptical, reasoned respondents are           kept stuffed away in the anonymity of the internet.

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Written by a friend who wanted this circulated: IN DEFENSE OF TIM AND TERRY As the prosecution rests its case in the second Oklahoma Bombing Trial I want to express my observations and conclusions.  This trial, like the last one, is a farce. The scenarios we are expected to believe are so ridiculous that they should be made into a slapstick for us all to laugh at.  If it weren’t so tragic it would actually be funny.  I keep wishing that Jay Leno would create nightly skits like he did for the Simpson Trial.  But it will never happen because Jay Leno’s network wouldn’t allow it.  It is obvious that the television networks, newspapers, magazines and radio stations are under the control of the government…who are under the control of the multi-nationals…who are bowing and scraping to APEC and the EUROPEAN UNION.  Our sovereignty is gone…given away for the price of admission.  Now the NEW WORLD ORDER is in charge and they will make criminals and prisoners of anyone who stands to resist them.  Our government has joined forces with these powers and has betrayed us all.  Our government is escalating its attacks against our freedoms.  It is dangerous now to talk about the travesties that are daily perpetrated.  Tim McVeigh spoke openly against government transgressions.  For that reason he was set up to be made an example of.  And boy, was he made an example of. You wanna know what they did to him?  Here’s my scenario. The undercover agents who intended to "use" Tim McVeigh befriended him by posing as patriots.  Maybe they encouraged him to form a militia group.  He was developing a growing awareness of what the nation was up against and he wanted to participate in protecting it in an organized, peaceful manner.  Naturally he would be drawn to people who shared his core beliefs.  His honesty, intelligence, diligence, civic responsibility, skills, training and experiences and his genuine concern for his fellow man made him a natural leader.  These new friends of his convinced him at some point to wait for them at the Dreamland Motel with a Ryder truck.  Maybe when they gave him the Ryder they told him they were moving their household goods and relocating so they could all be together to form their militia?  Maybe when they picked up the Ryder they told him to rendezvous with them somewhere at a certain date?  Maybe that’s why he was on the road north of Oklahoma the morning of the bombing?  He certainly wouldn’t have rented the room in his own name and parked the truck if he’d been planning to use it to bomb a federal building…now would he?  Furthermore, witnesses saw the Ryder at the Dreamland on Easter Sunday…the day before a Ryder was rented at Elliot’s by John Doe #1 and John Doe #2. Got to make you wonder doesn’t it?  However, for their plan to work SOMEHOW they had to have Tim associated with a Ryder and on the road available for pick-up.  That they did accomplish. When the trooper pulled the decrepit Mercury Marquis over McVeigh had no idea that a bomb had gone off in Oklahoma City or that a Ryder truck would later come back to plague him.  Nor did he ever get the opportunity to set the record straight.  By order of Judge Matsch Tim was not allowed to speak and by advice of his own counsel he was told not to talk about the case in any specifics during interviews. He believed that the truth would emerge during the trial and that the nonverifiable leaks and eye-witness accounts would prove to be "90% bogus".  And you know what?  I believe him.  To further muzzle him he wasn’t even allowed to stand up in court and speak in his own defense although he desperately wanted to.  Imagine being deprived of the right to face your accusers and speak for yourself.  Once it was all over he said in an interview that his lawyer had lied to him "like you wouldn’t believe". Regarding the case against McVeigh and Nichols…it’s all fabricated.  It’s built entirely around the lie that a truckbomb caused the death and destruction.  I’m not saying that a truckbomb wasn’t there, or that one didn’t explode. Bomb experts believe some of the damage could have been inflicted by a truckbomb.  But the truckbomb’s purpose was to act as a smoke-bomb.  The government’s evidence and witnesses were all staged to connect McVeigh to a bomb that was as ineffective against the steel-enforced Murrah as a bb gun would be against an elephant.  The Murrah building contained records of government crimes at Mena, Ruby Ridge and Waco.  The government wanted it gone anyway…why not knock off the building and a patriot and get oppressive legislation passed to boot?     Tim had already been chosen as the scapegoat for the operation.  They knew when and where they’d be picking him up and they knew how they’d connect him to the bomb components. Truckbombs had been introduced to the psyche of the nation through coverage of IRA attacks, Beruit, World Trade Center…you name it…they were your generic terrorist weapon.  Now granted, your generic terrorist wasn’t usually a well adjusted, well educated, blue-eyed, blond, outstanding American citizen…but then again it was time to portray a new FACE OF TERROR – one more in line with what the government perceived as "the enemy". Knowing that in reality an ANFO bomb hidden inside a twenty-foot truck would not destroy the structure the perpetrators covered that technicality by placing REAL bombs next to pillars strategically placed INSIDE the building. It must have been a RED ALERT, RED ALERT when two went off but three failed to detonate.  A real scramble went on as they got everyone out and removed the incriminating evidence.  The film and newscasts documenting this turn of events have since been seized and suppressed.  Within hours the WhiteHouse released a press release telling us all that a carbomb had done the job.  End of story…pack up the equipment…hand over the film.  Get focused on the carbomb, cum truckbomb…cum Ryder truckbomb.  Okey-dokey. An hour or so after the bombing the FBI "got their man". Over the next two years the government arranged for witnesses to testify and for evidence to materialize that would connect Tim to the Ryder and ANFO bomb components. It is my opinion, from having read the entire transcript of Tim’s trial, and up to today in the Nichols’ trial, that none of the prosecution’s evidence stands up to cross-examination.  It was brought out in the trial that the witnesses who inflicted the most damage to Tim and Terry had their testimony pulled out of them through threat and intimidation.  It didn’t take them too long to turn Michael and Lori Fortier completely around.  One minute they are defending Tim eloquently and with conviction and the next they are putty in the government’s hands…bleating "yes m’am, or "no m’am" or "yes sir, no sir…whatever you say sir".  But then with the most powerful law-enforcement agency in the country telling you "you’re gonna fry…like Tim" I’d wager that most of us would come around to their way of thinking and start "remembering" things we never knew.  It’s no wonder that witness descriptions changed from "swarthy, 5′10" to "thin, 6′2", or from "I don’t recall" to "now that you mention it I think it had a white canopy"…or whatever was required at the time. Most of the witnesses brought forth in the Nichols’ trial have been FBI or ATF agents.  Coincidently, some of them were involved in some capacity with the Ruby Ridge or Waco incidents or investigations and others in Mena and even in Columbia.  I perceive it to be a conflict of interest that they are now supposedly representing truth and light when their actions in the past have resulted in charges against them and a congressional hearing. The largest conflict of interest though would be that Tim and Terry represent their arch rivals in that Tim spoke out strongly against their actions in Ruby Ridge and Waco…and now here they are compiling a case against him. Following is the evidence that supposedly directly links McVeigh and Nichols to the truckbomb – the crux of the case. I have concluded from listening to the testimony that this evidence is of "dubious" merit.   A case could be made that every bit of it is either fabricated, planted or connected through scripted testimony. AMMONIUM NITRATE (4,800 POUNDS) -SEP/94 SUPPOSEDLY TERRY WENT INTO A CO-OP AND PURCHASED THE FERTILIZER IN TWO SEPERATE TRANSACTIONS OF 2,000 POUNDS EACH (TOTAL $450) USING A PHONY NAME AND PAYING CASH (The challenge of tracing the receipts was a monumental accounting operation conducted by an FBI agent who eventually isolated two receipts.  The co-op salesmen described a customer who did not bear Nichols’ description. According to testimony from Fortier Tim told him they would be robbing a gun dealer to get money to buy bomb components but here’s Nichols paying cash before he’s done the robbery and sold the stolen guns.) -SUPPOSEDLY MCVEIGH’S FINGERPRINT IS FOUND ON A FERTILIZER RECEIPT WRAPPED AROUND TWO $50 COINS IN NICHOLS’ KITCHEN DRAWER (The fingerprint expert is…you guessed it…an FBI agent…not the impartial professional that most people would want to entrust their fingerprint indentification to in a case dependant on connecting defendents to bomb components.  This fingerprint expert acknowledged in cross-examination that "This is the biggest case in FBI history…with lots at stake".) FUEL OIL (NITROMETHANE) – OCT 21/94 SUPPOSEDLY TIM DRESSED UP AS A BIKER WENT TO A RACE COURSE IN TEXAS WHERE HE PAID $2775 FOR THREE 55 GALLON DRUMS OF RACING FUEL (The FBI used Fortier for testimony regarding McVeigh’s biker outfit, then connected McVeigh to fuel oil with fabricated phone records showing calls to racing tracks. Again we have a major purchase of bomb components made before money is stolen and guns sold which according to Fortier was the necessity for the robbery.) PRIMADET, DYNAMITE, BLASTING CAPS – OCT 3/94 SUPPOSEDLY TIM AND TERRY STOLE THESE COMPONENTS AFTER SNEAKING INTO A … read more »

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