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Hey Beav. I just looked at the photos; didn’t occur to me before. How come the most beautiful women are always attracted to the ugliest guys? I’m lucky – I’m ugly too

There’s no accounting for taste.

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All you had to do was ask Beav! Go back to wankerville you cunt, Jay Stevens. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Kevin "Beavis" Maxfield 106 Churchill Drive Little Lever Bolton BL3 1PG UK Picture: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/me.jpg Also, a picture of Britt, with the caption: "When she ain’t cookin my meals she does find time to fly a heli!" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/britt.JPG Forwarded message: [ [ Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.122.164.63 [ [ Greetings news group participants, [ [ I am sending this news to all newsgroups that the person [ especially that involves medical advice. You need to be [ concerned taking any medical advice from him whatsoever. [ Why? [ [ Over the years this person has flamed me and others, told [ lies and did harm all in the name of fun. This person [ could just as easily give you improper medical advice and [ sit back and laugh for the fun of it. Beware of him, he [ may act nice and helpful but there is an evil side. [ [ Just to help prove what I'm saying, I have given evidence [ below of just one lie he was caught making. I'm posting [ this so that from now on you can measure anything he has [ to say with what his words are actually worth. Beav is a [ liar. I have proven without a shadow of dough that Beav [ is a liar. Sure, it is a small lie this time, but what [ about all the ones before, or after? [ [ On 02/04/2003, you posted on the rec.aviation.rotorcraft news group: [ He's also over on the R/C heli group looking for ideas [ on how to build a big RC machine which he SAYS is [ destined for military (unmanned) use. [ [ That was an out in out lie. I never said such a thing. He [ made it up and lied to everyone there. [ [ What I said is below: [ [ On 01/30/2003, I posted on rec.models.rc.helicopter: [ Hello, [ [ We have lot's of experience building full size [ helicopters, but little knowledge in the RC field and [ what's available. [ [ I have been contracted to provide a customer with two [ large (400 pounds empty) prototype helicopters to be [ flown by remote control. It is a CCPM controlled [ configuration. I need to find servo's that are large [ enough to handle at least a 5 pound resistance per [ arm, with a 3" travel. [ [ The control rods go through the center of the drive [ shaft and connect to the control gimble below the [ transmission, where 3 arms are located for both cyclic [ and collective inputs for the CCPM configuration. The [ best solution would be 3 linear servo's, if something [ preexists. [ [ Rather than reinvent the wheel, I hope someone would [ be kind enough to provide me information on where to [ find servo's large enough to do the job, or if a [ linear servo can be used. The response time of these [ large helicopters are much less than that of an RC [ model. [ [ Also, if someone of high experience in RC helicopters [ is interested in providing some help with the flights, [ we're located in the California LA area. [ [ Sincerely, [ [ Dennis [ [  No where in this or any post did I say "it is destined [  for military (unmanned) use". Beav lied about that. [ [  I know some of you here will say, well, it was just a [  little lie. Well, any lie is a lie, big or small, and [  Beav lied and has done much worse. He told this lie to [  hurt and do as much damage as he could, and it's time for [  all who deal with him to know. He has proven his [  willingness to lie and harm people just for fun, so [  anything he says could be a lie or to cause more damage [  for his entertainment. [ [  Beav is a liar. Beware of advice he gives you! [ Arcchived at: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3E4BECF9.80308%40sbcglobal.net&oe=U... End of advisory Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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Advisory Picture: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/me.jpg Also, a picture of Britt, with the caption: "When she ain't cookin my meals she does find time to fly a heli!" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/britt.JPG hey Beav not to make lite of what Drl Jai dont but you look like a pretty cool guy, dressed in your sunday best no doubt

Must've posted a picture I've got nothing to do with Tom, although I have to say, I AM a cool guy:-)) Getting ready for a Beavis and Butthead convention?

Not anymore. Not since they took B & B off MTV:-( Hey Tom, wanna see what I've done to my bike? Beav

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hey beav.. If you really are as big of wormshit as the fake dr. says you are DAMN I'm PROUD TO KNOW YOU!

I think I'm even bigger than that, and I accept your pride with pride:-) Beav

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Hey Beav.

I just looked at the photos; didn't occur to me before. How come the most beautiful women are always attracted to the ugliest guys? I'm lucky - I'm ugly too Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

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Just call me 'Dr. Boris' and mail me a lot of money.

were supposed - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - to act in a professional manner?

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Kev,  the day *anything* publicised on the internet becomes embarrassing is the day to give it all up I reckon. Well it'll take more than some knob posting my name and address to embarrass me;) what about your wife in the nude?

That wouldn't embarrass me half as much as seeing a pic of ME in the nude:-) My missus is a babe y'know. Beav

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Advisory Picture: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/me.jpg Also, a picture of Britt, with the caption: "When she ain't cookin my meals she does find time to fly a heli!" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/britt.JPG

hey Beav not to make lite of what Drl Jai dont but you look like a pretty cool guy, dressed in your sunday best no doubt Getting ready for a Beavis and Butthead convention?

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Kev,  the day *anything* publicised on the internet becomes embarrassing is the day to give it all up I reckon.

Well it'll take more than some knob posting my name and address to embarrass me;) -- Beav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

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hey beav.. If you really are as big of wormshit as the fake dr. says you are DAMN I'm PROUD TO KNOW YOU! j00 R0X! -- RK - t1 *Disclaimer: i'm not a doctor. I only share personal experience of being a diabetic. I have no textbook learning, only life itself. In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Kevin "Beavis" Maxfield 106 Churchill Drive Little Lever Bolton BL3 1PG UK Picture: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/me.jpg Also, a picture of Britt, with the caption: "When she ain't cookin my meals she does find time to fly a heli!" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/britt.JPG Forwarded message: [ [ Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.122.164.63 [ [ Greetings news group participants, [ [ I am sending this news to all newsgroups that the person [ especially that involves medical advice. You need to be [ concerned taking any medical advice from him whatsoever. [ Why? [ [ Over the years this person has flamed me and others, told [ lies and did harm all in the name of fun. This person [ could just as easily give you improper medical advice and [ sit back and laugh for the fun of it. Beware of him, he [ may act nice and helpful but there is an evil side. [ [ Just to help prove what I'm saying, I have given evidence [ below of just one lie he was caught making. I'm posting [ this so that from now on you can measure anything he has [ to say with what his words are actually worth. Beav is a [ liar. I have proven without a shadow of dough that Beav [ is a liar. Sure, it is a small lie this time, but what [ about all the ones before, or after? [ [ On 02/04/2003, you posted on the rec.aviation.rotorcraft news group: [ He's also over on the R/C heli group looking for ideas [ on how to build a big RC machine which he SAYS is [ destined for military (unmanned) use. [ [ That was an out in out lie. I never said such a thing. He [ made it up and lied to everyone there. [ [ What I said is below: [ [ On 01/30/2003, I posted on rec.models.rc.helicopter: [ Hello, [ [ We have lot's of experience building full size [ helicopters, but little knowledge in the RC field and [ what's available. [ [ I have been contracted to provide a customer with two [ large (400 pounds empty) prototype helicopters to be [ flown by remote control. It is a CCPM controlled [ configuration. I need to find servo's that are large [ enough to handle at least a 5 pound resistance per [ arm, with a 3" travel. [ [ The control rods go through the center of the drive [ shaft and connect to the control gimble below the [ transmission, where 3 arms are located for both cyclic [ and collective inputs for the CCPM configuration. The [ best solution would be 3 linear servo's, if something [ preexists. [ [ Rather than reinvent the wheel, I hope someone would [ be kind enough to provide me information on where to [ find servo's large enough to do the job, or if a [ linear servo can be used. The response time of these [ large helicopters are much less than that of an RC [ model. [ [ Also, if someone of high experience in RC helicopters [ is interested in providing some help with the flights, [ we're located in the California LA area. [ [ Sincerely, [ [ Dennis [ [  No where in this or any post did I say "it is destined [  for military (unmanned) use". Beav lied about that. [ [  I know some of you here will say, well, it was just a [  little lie. Well, any lie is a lie, big or small, and [  Beav lied and has done much worse. He told this lie to [  hurt and do as much damage as he could, and it's time for [  all who deal with him to know. He has proven his [  willingness to lie and harm people just for fun, so [  anything he says could be a lie or to cause more damage [  for his entertainment. [ [  Beav is a liar. Beware of advice he gives you! [ Arcchived at:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3E4BECF9.80308%40sbcglobal.net&oe=U... - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - End of advisory Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Advisory ... "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes ..... Oh, the arrogant so and so.  Fancy boasting about being a patient of "Diabetes", whoever that might be.  ;-) has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. Funny, must have been long before my time on misc.health.diabetes.  I've never seen this.  He's given a lot of very useful tips there, however. He has published his contact information as follows: [ .... ] Is that true, Beav?

What, the info or the "fact" that I published it?:-) the info’s correct (but it’s no secret) but I can’t recal publishing it anywhere. I might even have a case against Stevens if the Data Protection Act has any teeth. (Can’t be arsed though)   Many, many moons ago, each morning at around 8:30 (OK, sometimes it was nearer 9:00 , I used to walk out of the bus station, past the Old Mill by the Stream, over the Croal, up through the park, and into a ten mile long red sandstone school building on Chorley New Road.

Bolton grammar?   A very fine school it was, too. I suspect I’m right then;-) The town had a lot going for it.  Probably still does.

It does, *I* live theer:-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forwarded message: [ Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.122.164.63 [ .... ] [ Beware of him, he may act nice and helpful but there is an evil [ side. Well, what a relief to hear that!  What sort of person, other than a useless ineffectual blancmange, doesn't have an evil side?

I thought he was being nasty 'til I saw the last two words:) [ Just to help prove what I'm saying, I have given evidence [ below of just one lie he was caught making. I'm posting [ this so that from now on you can measure anything he has [ to say with what his words are actually worth. Beav is a [ liar. I have proven without a shadow of dough that Beav [ is a liar. Sure, it is a small lie this time, but what [ about all the ones before, or after? Oh God, not this puerile rhetorical trick again. <yawn.  Anything which isn't 100% true is construed as a "lie", no matter in what context, whether deliberate or mistaken, whatever, and anybody who tells such a tiny "lie" obviously tells big nasty dangerous ones.

He's been reading too many Fetters posts. That's a bloke who's responsible for selling machines which have killed more people than they've pleasured. [ On 02/04/2003, you posted on the rec.aviation.rotorcraft news group: [ He's also over on the R/C heli group looking for ideas [ on how to build a big RC machine which he SAYS is [ destined for military (unmanned) use. Ah, right, here we are again.  The helicopter thing.  The guy who didn't like people saying his helicopters tended to crash, wasn't it?

That's the one. [ On 01/30/2003, I posted on rec.models.rc.helicopter: Beav, was the said Mr. Fetters the person behind the unstable helicopters?

He was behind a very DANGEROUS piece of shit. Jai Maharaj Hmmm.  Wonder what the relationship between Dennis Fetters and "Dr. Jai Mahraj" is.

One's probably chomping on the other. Take your pick which is which-) As far as I'm concerned, the world would be a better place if neither of them were here. Beav

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WE LOVE BEAV! WE LOVE BEAV! WE LOVE BEAV! -- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows:

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I exercise my option to not read posts by this individual.  They have been around for a long time.  I do read Beav a lot. Better shut up while I am ahead.  My thoughts are not nice.                                             Guy

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LOL! What a sad git. D

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Kev,  the day *anything* publicised on the internet becomes embarrassing is the day to give it all up I reckon. David

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Advisory Do some more research Stevens. Who knows, you MAY even come up with something new and interesting. And maybe even something that would actually bother, upset ot embarrass me. -- Beav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

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Advisory ... "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes .....

Oh, the arrogant so and so.  Fancy boasting about being a patient of "Diabetes", whoever that might be.  ;-) has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions.

Funny, must have been long before my time on misc.health.diabetes.  I've never seen this.  He's given a lot of very useful tips there, however. He has published his contact information as follows:

[ .... ] Is that true, Beav?  Many, many moons ago, each morning at around 8:30 (OK, sometimes it was nearer 9:00 , I used to walk out of the bus station, past the Old Mill by the Stream, over the Croal, up through the park, and into a ten mile long red sandstone school building on Chorley New Road.  A very fine school it was, too.  The town had a lot going for it.  Probably still does. Forwarded message: [ Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.122.164.63

[ .... ] [ Beware of him, he may act nice and helpful but there is an evil [ side.

Well, what a relief to hear that!  What sort of person, other than a useless ineffectual blancmange, doesn’t have an evil side? [ Just to help prove what I’m saying, I have given evidence [ below of just one lie he was caught making. I’m posting [ this so that from now on you can measure anything he has [ to say with what his words are actually worth. Beav is a [ liar. I have proven without a shadow of dough that Beav [ is a liar. Sure, it is a small lie this time, but what [ about all the ones before, or after?

Oh God, not this puerile rhetorical trick again. <yawn.  Anything which isn’t 100% true is construed as a "lie", no matter in what context, whether deliberate or mistaken, whatever, and anybody who tells such a tiny "lie" obviously tells big nasty dangerous ones.   [ On 02/04/2003, you posted on the rec.aviation.rotorcraft news group: [ He’s also over on the R/C heli group looking for ideas [ on how to build a big RC machine which he SAYS is [ destined for military (unmanned) use.

Ah, right, here we are again.  The helicopter thing.  The guy who didn’t like people saying his helicopters tended to crash, wasn’t it? [ On 01/30/2003, I posted on rec.models.rc.helicopter:

Beav, was the said Mr. Fetters the person behind the unstable helicopters? Jai Maharaj

Hmmm.  Wonder what the relationship between Dennis Fetters and "Dr. Jai Mahraj" is. — Alan Mackenzie (Munich, Germany) (like "aa"), remove half of them (leaving, say, "a").

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Do some more research Stevens. Who knows, you MAY even come up with something new and interesting. And maybe even something that would actually bother, upset ot embarrass me. — Beav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

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Great bloke is our Beav. I thought "doctors" were supposed to act in a professional manner?

You’re right, but of course Jai is not a medical doctor. Unfortunately, you’re not even right about some that are Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Hey Beav. When I took over as Ops manager at the cab company, they told me I wouldn’t have "arrived" until I saw my name, together with various impossible anatomical suggestions, on the walls of the toilet. Took two months. This seems to be the usenet equivalent.

Stevens (aka Dr Jai) is just a spaz who sits in front of a computer screen trying to illuminate the world. Fortunately for the world, they’re wise to him so he just gets told to fuck off wherever he goes. I’m just this weeks target, but he missed, coz he doesn’t know a thing about me apart from my name and addy which ANYONE can have at any time. It must’ve taken his MONTHS to do a "who is" on my website:-)) What on earth did you do to upset the troll? Will I be next for daring to comment??  :-)

)) Well our delectable Dr Jai (who isn’t a doctor btw) doesn’t seem to like it when he gets told to fuck off for spamming. He also seems to think I’d be pissed off with him posting his message. He’s got a lot to learn though hasn’t he? ) — Beav Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com" (with the obvious changes) Beavisland now lives at www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

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You know in this life you come across some prats, but then once in every while you come across a fucking great prat aka this Dr! I fly helis and in the past Beav has helped me a lot. I’m also diabetic and in the past Beav has helped me a lot. What Mr Dr prat have you EVER done (of good) for anybody??????? Phil Martin. BTW, I’m sure you’ve missed a few other groups that Beav post to. If I were you I’d sit down and start trolling through the other 50,000 odd ng’s to hunt him down:o) — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Great bloke is our Beav. I thought "doctors" were supposed to act in a professional manner? Ah, but Jay Stevens, aka Dr. Jai, isn’t a Dr.  He’s just a troll.

Stevens is probably mentally ill, if not, just a bare-arsed liar. In either case he has no moral or legal right to post Beav’s details. Repeat, Stevens is a liar, not a Dr, not Maharaj. Even the thread header is a lie, Beav has never claimed to be medically qualified. Al.

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Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Great bloke is our Beav. I thought "doctors" were supposed to act in a professional manner?

Ah, but Jay Stevens, aka Dr. Jai, isn’t a Dr.  He’s just a troll. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

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Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows:

Great bloke is our Beav. I thought "doctors" were supposed to act in a professional manner?

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Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows:

Hey Beav. When I took over as Ops manager at the cab company, they told me I wouldn’t have "arrived" until I saw my name, together with various impossible anatomical suggestions, on the walls of the toilet. Took two months. This seems to be the usenet equivalent. What on earth did you do to upset the troll? Will I be next for daring to comment??  :-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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Advisory Kevin Maxfield aka "Beavis" aka "Beav" who is a self-publicized patient of diabetes has committed serious crimes by dispensing medical advice to other patients on numerous occasions. He has published his contact information as follows: Kevin "Beavis" Maxfield 106 Churchill Drive Little Lever Bolton BL3 1PG UK Picture: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/me.jpg Also, a picture of Britt, with the caption: "When she ain’t cookin my meals she does find time to fly a heli!" http://homepage.ntlworld.com/kevin.maxfield/pictures/britt.JPG Forwarded message: [ [ Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.122.164.63 [ [ Greetings news group participants, [ [ I am sending this news to all newsgroups that the person [ especially that involves medical advice. You need to be [ concerned taking any medical advice from him whatsoever. [ Why? [ [ Over the years this person has flamed me and others, told [ lies and did harm all in the name of fun. This person [ could just as easily give you improper medical advice and [ sit back and laugh for the fun of it. Beware of him, he [ may act nice and helpful but there is an evil side. [ [ Just to help prove what I’m saying, I have given evidence [ below of just one lie he was caught making. I’m posting [ this so that from now on you can measure anything he has [ to say with what his words are actually worth. Beav is a [ liar. I have proven without a shadow of dough that Beav [ is a liar. Sure, it is a small lie this time, but what [ about all the ones before, or after? [ [ On 02/04/2003, you posted on the rec.aviation.rotorcraft news group:

[ He's also over on the R/C heli group looking for ideas [ on how to build a big RC machine which he SAYS is [ destined for military (unmanned) use. [   [ That was an out in out lie. I never said such a thing. He [ made it up and lied to everyone there. [ [ What I said is below: [ [ On 01/30/2003, I posted on rec.models.rc.helicopter: [ Hello, [ [ We have lot's of experience building full size [ helicopters, but little knowledge in the RC field and [ what's available. [ [ I have been contracted to provide a customer with two [ large (400 pounds empty) prototype helicopters to be [ flown by remote control. It is a CCPM controlled [ configuration. I need to find servo's that are large [ enough to handle at least a 5 pound resistance per [ arm, with a 3" travel. [ [ The control rods go through the center of the drive [ shaft and connect to the control gimble below the [ transmission, where 3 arms are located for both cyclic [ and collective inputs for the CCPM configuration. The [ best solution would be 3 linear servo's, if something [ preexists. [ [ Rather than reinvent the wheel, I hope someone would [ be kind enough to provide me information on where to [ find servo's large enough to do the job, or if a [ linear servo can be used. The response time of these [ large helicopters are much less than that of an RC [ model. [ [ Also, if someone of high experience in RC helicopters [ is interested in providing some help with the flights, [ we're located in the California LA area. [ [ Sincerely, [ [ Dennis [   [  No where in this or any post did I say "it is destined [  for military (unmanned) use". Beav lied about that. [   [  I know some of you here will say, well, it was just a [  little lie. Well, any lie is a lie, big or small, and [  Beav lied and has done much worse. He told this lie to [  hurt and do as much damage as he could, and it's time for [  all who deal with him to know. He has proven his [  willingness to lie and harm people just for fun, so [  anything he says could be a lie or to cause more damage [  for his entertainment. [   [  Beav is a liar. Beware of advice he gives you! [   Arcchived at: http://www.google.com/groups?selm=3E4BECF9.80308%40sbcglobal.net&oe=U... End of advisory Jai Maharaj http://www.mantra.com/jai Om Shanti

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@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane… —

Can’t do that these days coz the people who ask for window seats are the ones who want to watch 20 year old game shows on the satellite TV so they keep the shades down. Once had a blind passenger ask for a window seat, odd. — Trevor Fenn There are too many zz’s in my email address above. Take two zz’s and email me in the morning. "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just"                           The Star Spangled Banner                             Francis Scott Key                    

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no offense, but from 39000 looking down on a cloud covered ocean?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane… — Gene Seibel Hangar 131 – http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html Because I fly, I envy no one. In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY As a Boeing 757 airliner climbed to 14,000 feet in March, a routine takeoff suddenly became an emergency. Sparks and smoke came out of the passenger cabin’s in-flight entertainment system, cockpit instrument lights lit up, and the rudder and control wheel moved. The pilots, who reported the incident to a government safety database, said they returned for an "uneventful" landing. The database doesn’t identify the airline involved or the U.S. airport the flight diverted to, but the timing of the event was significant. It was the same month the Canadian government concluded that entertainment system wiring may have caused or contributed to a fire that sent a Swissair jet into the ocean near Nova Scotia in 1998, killing all 229 aboard. The Canadian Transportation Safety Board said an entertainment system wire or another wire short-circuited, creating a fiery electric arc that ignited acoustic insulation blankets. Despite intense scrutiny after the Swissair accident, in-flight entertainment systems continue to malfunction, and U.S. airlines are still being ordered to modify some systems. A USA TODAY analysis found that since the Swissair accident, U.S. airlines have sent the Federal Aviation Administration 60 "service difficulty reports" about in-flight entertainment systems, many involving fire, smoke or sparks. Airlines are required by the FAA to report within 72 hours each "failure, malfunction or defect" that endangers an aircraft’s safe operation. Pilots and flight attendants have voluntarily reported to another government database 20 incidents of entertainment system problems. It’s unknown how many of those incidents are also included in the service difficulty reports. The FAA has also sent 22 orders to ban, modify or repair certain entertainment systems. Most of those orders resulted from an investigation done by the agency after the Swissair crash. "The time is long past that we can consider these systems as risk-free," says Jim Shaw, a pilot and a safety expert for the Air Line Pilots Association union. "I know many instances where problems with in-flight entertainment systems created smoke and fire events," he says, speaking for himself. The union wouldn’t comment. Many jets have traditional in-flight entertainment systems with overhead movie screens shared by rows of passengers. Others, particularly new, wide-body planes flying international routes, contain more sophisticated equipment with individual screens that allow passengers to choose a movie, play games, shop or gamble. Upstart airline JetBlue offers live satellite TV on monitors at every seat. Some major airlines offer video or audio entertainment on most of their planes, while some, such as Southwest, have no jets with such equipment. Consultant Wale Adepoju estimates that 5,100 of 11,650 planes worldwide with 100 or more seats have some form of entertainment system, and about 2,000 of those aircraft have at least some seats equipped with individual video screens. Of about 3,700 wide-body aircraft in the global airline fleet, nearly 80% have some form of entertainment system, Adepoju says. Manufacturers insist that the most sophisticated entertainment systems, as well as older ones, are safe and meet FAA standards. They blame the type installed on Swissair, which was banned a year after the crash, for giving everyone in the industry a bad name. That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered interactive entertainment at each seat. But, as a USA TODAY investigation found in February, it was improperly designed, installed and certified by contractors without adequate FAA oversight. The General Accounting Office and the Transportation Department’s inspector general recently began investigating the matter. Other systems, though, have had problems since the Swissair accident. Safety experts say the number of service difficulty reports about entertainment system problems endangering passenger safety during the past two years could far exceed the 60 received by the FAA. "The 60 reports are probably just the tip of the iceberg," says Alex Richman, whose company, AlgoPlus Consulting, analyzes FAA data for some aircraft operators. "More incidents probably go unreported than are reported." The FAA’s 22 orders to ban, modify or repair entertainment systems involve those that airlines installed to replace previous ones. The orders apply to the equipment on eight types of Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Airbus jets. More pounds, more wires An entertainment system adds thousands of pounds to a jet. It consists of more than 2,000 parts and, on a fully equipped wide-body jet, uses about 41/2 miles of wire, says Greg Steiner, a vice president at entertainment system manufacturer Rockwell Collins. Ed Block, a former Defense Department employee involved in wiring purchases, inspected wiring on various jets for an FAA task force and for Swissair victims’ families. It’s his opinion that all in-flight entertainment systems should be banned because they have electrical wiring and components that can malfunction and start a fire during flight. The aviation industry has been grappling for years with problems of cracked and deteriorated wiring causing fires and emergency landings, he says. Adding four miles of entertainment system wire to a jet that may have more than 100 miles of other wires is "like throwing gas on a fire." Ken Adams, who was the Air Line Pilots Association’s lead investigator in the Swissair crash, doesn’t think the systems must be scrapped. But he says they need to be better designed and suggests studying the use of fiber-optics instead of electrical wiring. "Any time you’re adding more and more electrical systems, you’re compounding the problem," he says. In a statement to USA TODAY, the FAA says entertainment systems are safe and that it "takes a very rigorous approach to approving non-essential systems." The agency says it has done in-depth reviews of the entertainment systems on airplanes, has taken action to make sure no system in use has the same design features as the one on the Swissair jet, and has issued directives designed to prevent any unsafe conditions from developing. Manufacturers say their systems must meet FAA and aircraft manufacturers’ standards and tests. "Safety is the absolute first priority," says Rob Brookler of the World Airline Entertainment Association, which represents manufacturers, suppliers and airlines. "We’d support any procedures that would further enhance the safety of the systems." The Air Transport Association, a trade group representing U.S. airlines, refused to comment about in-flight entertainment systems. Northwest Airlines, which flies many long-distance flights with such systems aboard, says it buys "the appropriate, proven system recommended by the aircraft manufacturer." JetBlue says the airline’s in-seat live television systems were certified by the FAA. The airline says it has had "no issues" with them. United Airlines says its in-flight entertainment systems are safe because they are continuously monitored by its maintenance department "for any irregularities or reliability issues that require attention." United says its systems have not been cited in any FAA orders and are not similar to those that were on the Swissair plane that crashed. Reports of problems Most of the 60 reports filed by airlines with the FAA, which were provided to USA TODAY by AlgoPlus Consulting, mention fire, smoke, sparks, an electrical short-circuit or burning odor in the passenger cabin. NASA collects such incident data for the FAA. Among the confidential reports given to NASA by airline flight crews, which NASA says are not verified for accuracy: .A flight attendant on a Boeing 767 flight last August reported that she became nauseated, her eyes and throat burned and a passenger vomited after breathing fumes from a malfunctioning video system. .On an Airbus A-300 plane in December 2000, a flight attendant reported passengers standing in the aisle during landing as "smoke, sparks and a flame" came from an entertainment system box under a passenger seat. .A pilot reported smoke "pouring out" of an entertainment unit on a 767 international flight in April 2000. .In February 1999, a flight attendant on a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 flying over Alaska said it was hard to breathe because of a burning wire odor coming from a video system. The FAA says such reports from crew members are voluntary and can’t be used to decide how prevalent a problem is. The 22 orders from the

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In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY Unless I’m flying with NWA, I’m too busy shagging a couple of the stewardesses to bother about in-flight entertainment.

Something wrong with the NWA flight attendents?

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Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.  If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities. Ultimately they are responsible for regulations and control of any equipment installed in a Swiss registered aircraft.

Actually, the FAA does have authority (responsibility can be argued). The US manufacturer produces part for an aircraft with a FAA-issued type certificate, and such the full force of Part 21 applies to him, whether the part is sold to a foreign entity or not. However there is a real problem, in that there are NO  specific FAA certification requirements for IFE.  NO TSO’s, no type  certificates, no nothing….

There’s no such thing as a type certificate for appliances.   Many things on an aircraft don’t have a TSO either.

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Why would a Phoenix company be making such systems soley for over-seas carriers?

Overseas doesn’t make any difference.  The company is in the US making parts for installation in FAA type certificated aircraft.   That’s all that is required for the FAA to get into the game.

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Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.  If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities. Ultimately they are responsible for regulations and control of any equipment installed in a Swiss registered aircraft. Actually, the FAA does have authority (responsibility can be argued). The US manufacturer produces part for an aircraft with a FAA-issued type certificate, and such the full force of Part 21 applies to him, whether the part is sold to a foreign entity or not.

No. But thanks for playing. John P. Tarver, MS/PE

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.  If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities. Ultimately they are responsible for regulations and control of any equipment installed in a Swiss registered aircraft. Actually, the FAA does have authority (responsibility can be argued). The US manufacturer produces part for an aircraft with a FAA-issued type certificate, and such the full force of Part 21 applies to him, whether the part is sold to a foreign entity or not. No. But thanks for playing.

Dman those old 8 tracks, eh splaps boy? Bertie

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In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY Unless I’m flying with NWA, I’m too busy shagging a couple of the stewardesses to bother about in-flight entertainment. Something wrong with the NWA flight attendents?

I don’t do grannies.

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That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered interactive entertainment at each seat. Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft. If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities.

Why would a Phoenix company be making such systems soley for over-seas carriers?

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But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers. Discuss.

   Just like ta know what friggin’ airline she’s talkin’ ’bout so I can start flying it.

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Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, matt weber – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – O That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered interactive entertainment at each seat. But, as a USA TODAY investigation found in February, it was improperly designed, installed and certified by contractors without adequate FAA oversight. The General Accounting Office and the Transportation Department’s inspector general recently began investigating the matter. Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.  If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities. Ultimately they are responsible for regulations and control of any equipment installed in a Swiss registered aircraft. However there is a real problem, in that there are NO  specific FAA certification requirements for IFE.  NO TSO’s, no type  certificates, no nothing….

The problem is that these aircraft fly to the US, and the FAA likes to think that it can dictate standards on aircraft registered and operated in other countries which fly to the US. As such, one would think there would be an FAA standard. Sadly, there isn’t. Dave Don’t Drink Drive…. It’s A Laundry Detergent

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In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY Unless I’m flying with NWA, I’m too busy shagging a couple of the stewardesses to bother about in-flight entertainment. Cheers Phil

give them one from me!

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O That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered interactive entertainment at each seat. But, as a USA TODAY investigation found in February, it was improperly designed, installed and certified by contractors without adequate FAA oversight. The General Accounting Office and the Transportation Department’s inspector general recently began investigating the matter.

Why would the FAA be involved? The system was not sold to a single US carrier, nor installed in a single USA registered aircraft.  If there was an oversight failure, it was with European/Swiss authorities. Ultimately they are responsible for regulations and control of any equipment installed in a Swiss registered aircraft. However there is a real problem, in that there are NO  specific FAA certification requirements for IFE.  NO TSO’s, no type  certificates, no nothing….

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Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane… For 23 hours? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

Happily! -c.

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In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY Unless I’m flying with NWA, I’m too busy shagging a couple of the stewardesses to bother about in-flight entertainment.

Don’t tell me you boff UA hosties.. Have you no shame, man??

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But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers. Discuss.

When the US carriers first went into the old Soviet block/eastern Europe, the hardest time they had training new employees was in being pleasant to customers. Being indoctrinated since birth, in the Marxist ideology, that jobs were a right and customers were a given, it was hard to sift out the old attitudes. Sound familiars. Tom — "There are many who find a good alibi far more attractive than an achievement. For an achievement does not settle anything permanently. We still have to prove our  worth anew each day: we have to prove that we are as good today as we were yesterday. But when we have a valid alibi for not achieving anything we are fixed, so to speak, for life."  – Eric Hoffer

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In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY

Unless I’m flying with NWA, I’m too busy shagging a couple of the stewardesses to bother about in-flight entertainment. Cheers Phil

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This is the part I don’t understand. The in-flight entertainment industry generated more than $2 billion in revenue in 2000, according to a study by consultant Frost & Sullivan, but has been devastated, along with the rest of the airline business, by a sharp business decline after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

In flight entertainment "generated" $2 Billion in revenue? Who’s buying tickets to those in-flight movies?

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But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers.

Discuss. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane…

For 23 hours? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers. Discuss.

Candace Kolander?  Is that Xaviera Hollander’s sister?

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But Candace Kolander of the Association of Flight Attendants union says the airline industry has become too obsessed with pleasing passengers. Discuss. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

It is American and so, unfortunately, it doesn’t include anyone employed by Ryanair. JohnT

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Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane…

And exactly how many people in a typical wide body jet can actually see out of a window? — Roland Perry

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: Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking : out the window of an airplane… Especially the front one — George Black ICQ#: 6963409 More ways to contact me: http://wwp.icq.com/6963409 Home page:  http://www.koekejunction.hnpl.net/

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Don’t know what "entertainment" could possibly be better than looking out the window of an airplane… — Gene Seibel Hangar 131 – http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html Because I fly, I envy no one.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In-flight entertainment systems linked to scores of jet ‘difficulties’ By Gary Stoller, USA TODAY As a Boeing 757 airliner climbed to 14,000 feet in March, a routine takeoff suddenly became an emergency. Sparks and smoke came out of the passenger cabin’s in-flight entertainment system, cockpit instrument lights lit up, and the rudder and control wheel moved. The pilots, who reported the incident to a government safety database, said they returned for an "uneventful" landing. The database doesn’t identify the airline involved or the U.S. airport the flight diverted to, but the timing of the event was significant. It was the same month the Canadian government concluded that entertainment system wiring may have caused or contributed to a fire that sent a Swissair jet into the ocean near Nova Scotia in 1998, killing all 229 aboard. The Canadian Transportation Safety Board said an entertainment system wire or another wire short-circuited, creating a fiery electric arc that ignited acoustic insulation blankets. Despite intense scrutiny after the Swissair accident, in-flight entertainment systems continue to malfunction, and U.S. airlines are still being ordered to modify some systems. A USA TODAY analysis found that since the Swissair accident, U.S. airlines have sent the Federal Aviation Administration 60 "service difficulty reports" about in-flight entertainment systems, many involving fire, smoke or sparks. Airlines are required by the FAA to report within 72 hours each "failure, malfunction or defect" that endangers an aircraft’s safe operation. Pilots and flight attendants have voluntarily reported to another government database 20 incidents of entertainment system problems. It’s unknown how many of those incidents are also included in the service difficulty reports. The FAA has also sent 22 orders to ban, modify or repair certain entertainment systems. Most of those orders resulted from an investigation done by the agency after the Swissair crash. "The time is long past that we can consider these systems as risk-free," says Jim Shaw, a pilot and a safety expert for the Air Line Pilots Association union. "I know many instances where problems with in-flight entertainment systems created smoke and fire events," he says, speaking for himself. The union wouldn’t comment. Many jets have traditional in-flight entertainment systems with overhead movie screens shared by rows of passengers. Others, particularly new, wide-body planes flying international routes, contain more sophisticated equipment with individual screens that allow passengers to choose a movie, play games, shop or gamble. Upstart airline JetBlue offers live satellite TV on monitors at every seat. Some major airlines offer video or audio entertainment on most of their planes, while some, such as Southwest, have no jets with such equipment. Consultant Wale Adepoju estimates that 5,100 of 11,650 planes worldwide with 100 or more seats have some form of entertainment system, and about 2,000 of those aircraft have at least some seats equipped with individual video screens. Of about 3,700 wide-body aircraft in the global airline fleet, nearly 80% have some form of entertainment system, Adepoju says. Manufacturers insist that the most sophisticated entertainment systems, as well as older ones, are safe and meet FAA standards. They blame the type installed on Swissair, which was banned a year after the crash, for giving everyone in the industry a bad name. That system, built by a Phoenix company now out of the airline business, was put on to replace an existing system and pioneered interactive

entertainment at each seat. But, as a USA TODAY investigation found in February, it was improperly designed, installed and certified by contractors without adequate FAA oversight. The General Accounting Office and the Transportation Department’s inspector general recently began investigating the matter. Other systems, though, have had problems since the Swissair accident. Safety experts say the number of service difficulty reports about

entertainment system – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – problems endangering passenger safety during the past two years could far exceed the 60 received by the FAA. "The 60 reports are probably just the tip of the iceberg," says Alex Richman, whose company, AlgoPlus Consulting, analyzes FAA data for some aircraft operators. "More incidents probably go unreported than are reported." The FAA’s 22 orders to ban, modify or repair entertainment systems involve those that airlines installed to replace previous ones. The orders apply to the equipment on eight types of Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Airbus jets. More pounds, more wires An entertainment system adds thousands of pounds to a jet. It consists of more than 2,000 parts and, on a fully equipped wide-body jet, uses about 41/2 miles of wire, says Greg Steiner, a vice president at entertainment system manufacturer Rockwell Collins. Ed Block, a former Defense Department employee involved in wiring purchases, inspected wiring on various jets for an FAA task force and for Swissair victims’ families. It’s his opinion that all in-flight entertainment systems should be banned because they have electrical wiring and components that can malfunction and start a fire during flight. The aviation industry has been grappling for years with problems of cracked and deteriorated wiring causing fires and emergency landings, he says. Adding four miles of entertainment system wire to a jet that may have more than 100 miles of other wires is "like throwing gas on a fire." Ken Adams, who was the Air Line Pilots Association’s lead investigator in the Swissair crash, doesn’t think the systems must be scrapped. But he says they need to be better designed and suggests studying the use of

fiber-optics instead – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – of electrical wiring. "Any time you’re adding more and more electrical systems, you’re compounding the problem," he says. In a statement to USA TODAY, the FAA says entertainment systems are safe and that it "takes a very rigorous approach to approving non-essential systems." The agency says it has done in-depth reviews of the entertainment systems on airplanes, has taken action to make sure no system in use has the same design features as the one on the Swissair jet, and has issued directives designed to prevent any unsafe conditions from developing. Manufacturers say their systems must meet FAA and aircraft manufacturers’ standards and tests. "Safety is the absolute first priority," says Rob Brookler of the World Airline Entertainment Association, which represents manufacturers, suppliers and airlines. "We’d support any procedures that would further enhance the safety of the systems." The Air Transport Association, a trade group representing U.S. airlines, refused to comment about in-flight entertainment systems. Northwest Airlines, which flies many long-distance flights with such systems aboard, says it buys "the appropriate, proven system recommended by the aircraft

manufacturer." JetBlue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says the airline’s in-seat live television systems were certified by the FAA. The airline says it has had "no issues" with them. United Airlines says its in-flight entertainment systems are safe because they are continuously monitored by its maintenance department "for any irregularities or reliability issues that require attention." United says its systems have not been cited in any FAA orders and are not similar to those that were on the Swissair plane that crashed. Reports of problems Most of the 60 reports filed by airlines with the FAA, which were provided to USA TODAY by AlgoPlus Consulting, mention fire, smoke, sparks, an electrical short-circuit or burning odor in the passenger cabin. NASA collects such incident data for the FAA. Among the confidential reports given to NASA by airline flight crews, which NASA says are not verified for accuracy: .A flight attendant on a Boeing 767 flight last August reported that she became nauseated, her eyes and throat burned and a passenger vomited after breathing fumes from a malfunctioning video system. .On an Airbus A-300 plane in December 2000, a flight attendant reported passengers standing in the aisle during landing as "smoke, sparks and a flame" came from an entertainment system box under a passenger seat. .A pilot reported smoke "pouring out" of an entertainment unit on a 767 international flight in April 2000. .In February 1999, a flight attendant on a McDonnell Douglas MD-11 flying over Alaska said it was hard to breathe because of a burning wire odor coming from a video system. The FAA says such reports from crew members are voluntary and can’t be used to decide how prevalent a problem is. The 22 orders from the FAA after the Swissair crash came when the agency reviewed systems that, like the one on the Swissair McDonnell Douglas MD-11 jet, were put in as replacements between 1992 and 2000. The orders involved systems on at least 182 planes, including removal of the entire system on six Douglas DC-9s. It also ordered removal of an unspecified number of systems on DC-10s and 767s. And corrections were ordered for some systems on other 767s, 757s, 747s, 737s, MD-11s, DC-10s and Airbus A-340s. Ten of the 22 orders, including one issued in December for an unspecified number of 767-300s, instructed airlines to install switches that allow the systems to shed an electrical load or to be turned off

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t mind working. Besides, this week we get Wednesday off, so it will be an easy week. I knew there was something wrong with you. What is it? Are you kind of a normie or what? I get more depressed when I’m not working. When I’m sitting at home alone it is difficult not to feel lonely and start worrying. Work keeps my mind off my problems for a while.

Yes, it is the same for me. My insides tell me I want to lay down and be a lazy bum every time I think of working, but after I have had my share of struggle to get things going at work, I feel much better afterwards than if I had remained the lazy bum. If I remain in front of the computer all day for a couple of days, I feel really crappy in the end. Today it was not that I didn’t want to work, it was that I thought that my new boss had taken to dislike me for some reason. But then again, he was kind of amiable today. I guess we (depressives) are too sensitive sometimes, huh?  – Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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stargate.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious as to what kind of work you do??  I didn’t read the thread someone started recently on careers and what people do, so I don’t know if you responded there or not.  You said in the Be consistent thread that you are 51 and a physicist.  I’m 45 and a pharmacologist by training.  But I left my faculty position to become a stay-at-home dad (well, that would be one subjective interpretation of the events eh!!!).  Anyway, I was just curious what you "do" for work. Interesting you are a pharmacologist, now I know where to aim to inquire about my medications, LOL. I am a professor in physics, I won’t tell you where. I work mainly on gravitational waves. I am on a sabbatical leave of absence which ends on December. I am writing a book and hence I didn’t go anywhere else to work. But my wife got into a gambling problem which lead us to bankruptcy, and hence, I decided to take another job just to keep the vessel from doing water. It had to be something easy and which wouldn’t take much of my time (I need it to hang around in ASD, you know? Ja). So, I took a position as Interpreter. Spanish interpreter. You know, the kind who interprets between a doctor and a patient when both of them speak a different language; English and Spanish in my case. It’s fun, but I was having problems with my boss, who is a blunt young lad. But today he was very kind to me; I guess he is another of the bugs we don’t like, huh? You work on gravitational waves??  That sounds interesting.  So I suppose you believe that you know things about gravity objectively then eh??!!

Yep, I and all my colleagues share this philosophical principle. To be honest, I have never met a scientist who believes knowledge is subjective; you are the first one I know of. I got a bunch of responses to you that I am working on.

Just fire. I can wait. I know sometimes our answers or responses need a bit of digestion.   But I’ve got laundry to do, and I have to mow the lawn, and a bit of an outside job myself, blah blah, so it might take a while yet.  But I think the basic problem we are having in the "be consistent" thread is that we’re not starting from the same place.

I guess we have advanced a good deal in spite of a lot of obscurities which are the eternal bug when philosophising. I was astonished when you admitted that subjectivists are enclosed in their own subjectivism, but then I grew to acknowledge you are more committed than I thought.   That is, we probably don’t agree on some basic definitions, and hence much of what we hear the other person say doesn’t make sense at some point.

Yep, I agree. For example when objective knowledge is confused with absolute knowledge. We’ve got to be careful. But we’ve got time to work on it.  I’m enjoying talking with you.

Same from this end. Glad you took the challenge. Cordially, — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I don’t mind working. Besides, this week we get Wednesday off, so it will be an easy week. I knew there was something wrong with you. What is it? Are you kind of a normie or what?

I get more depressed when I’m not working. When I’m sitting at home alone it is difficult not to feel lonely and start worrying. Work keeps my mind off my problems for a while.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious as to what kind of work you do??  I didn’t read the thread someone started recently on careers and what people do, so I don’t know if you responded there or not.  You said in the Be consistent thread that you are 51 and a physicist.  I’m 45 and a pharmacologist by training.  But I left my faculty position to become a stay-at-home dad (well, that would be one subjective interpretation of the events eh!!!).  Anyway, I was just curious what you "do" for work. Interesting you are a pharmacologist, now I know where to aim to inquire about my medications, LOL. I am a professor in physics, I won’t tell you where. I work mainly on gravitational waves. I am on a sabbatical leave of absence which ends on December. I am writing a book and hence I didn’t go anywhere else to work. But my wife got into a gambling problem which lead us to bankruptcy, and hence, I decided to take another job just to keep the vessel from doing water. It had to be something easy and which wouldn’t take much of my time (I need it to hang around in ASD, you know? Ja). So, I took a position as Interpreter. Spanish interpreter. You know, the kind who interprets between a doctor and a patient when both of them speak a different language; English and Spanish in my case. It’s fun, but I was having problems with my boss, who is a blunt young lad. But today he was very kind to me; I guess he is another of the bugs we don’t like, huh?

You work on gravitational waves??  That sounds interesting.  So I suppose you believe that you know things about gravity objectively then eh??!! I got a bunch of responses to you that I am working on.  But I’ve got laundry to do, and I have to mow the lawn, and a bit of an outside job myself, blah blah, so it might take a while yet.  But I think the basic problem we are having in the "be consistent" thread is that we’re not starting from the same place.  That is, we probably don’t agree on some basic definitions, and hence much of what we hear the other person say doesn’t make sense at some point. But we’ve got time to work on it.  I’m enjoying talking with you. Sincerely Stewart —

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LOL. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please no work, please ……. I agree.  I do *not* want to go to work today (or most days). The whole concept of working for a living sucks ….. Quite, but, hey, my boss suddenly started being kind to me; I wonder what bug got into his pants. A humbug?

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targate.net… Please no work, please ……. I’m curious as to what kind of work you do??  I didn’t read the thread someone started recently on careers and what people do, so I don’t know if you responded there or not.  You said in the Be consistent thread that you are 51 and a physicist.  I’m 45 and a pharmacologist by training.  But I left my faculty position to become a stay-at-home dad (well, that would be one subjective interpretation of the events eh!!!).  Anyway, I was just curious what you "do" for work.

Interesting you are a pharmacologist, now I know where to aim to inquire about my medications, LOL. I am a professor in physics, I won’t tell you where. I work mainly on gravitational waves. I am on a sabbatical leave of absence which ends on December. I am writing a book and hence I didn’t go anywhere else to work. But my wife got into a gambling problem which lead us to bankruptcy, and hence, I decided to take another job just to keep the vessel from doing water. It had to be something easy and which wouldn’t take much of my time (I need it to hang around in ASD, you know? Ja). So, I took a position as Interpreter. Spanish interpreter. You know, the kind who interprets between a doctor and a patient when both of them speak a different language; English and Spanish in my case. It’s fun, but I was having problems with my boss, who is a blunt young lad. But today he was very kind to me; I guess he is another of the bugs we don’t like, huh? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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I don’t mind working. Besides, this week we get Wednesday off, so it will be an easy week.

I knew there was something wrong with you. What is it? Are you kind of a normie or what? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Please no work, please ……. I agree.  I do *not* want to go to work today (or most days). The whole concept of working for a living sucks …..

Quite, but, hey, my boss suddenly started being kind to me; I wonder what bug got into his pants. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Please no work, please …….

I’m curious as to what kind of work you do??  I didn’t read the thread someone started recently on careers and what people do, so I don’t know if you responded there or not.  You said in the Be consistent thread that you are 51 and a physicist.  I’m 45 and a pharmacologist by training.  But I left my faculty position to become a stay-at-home dad (well, that would be one subjective interpretation of the events eh!!!).  Anyway, I was just curious what you "do" for work. Sincerely Stewart —

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I don’t mind working. Besides, this week we get Wednesday off, so it will be an easy week.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please no work, please ……. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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Please no work, please …….

I agree.  I do *not* want to go to work today (or most days). The whole concept of working for a living sucks ….. Bruce.

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Please no work, please ……. — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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– Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

say: Please no work, please ……. personally, i’m not looking forward to wednesday when i have to work a double shift.

Ouch, I understand that. I want to wake up 50 years from now; I bet by that time no one will have to work; everything will be done by a machine. We will be able to get depressed any time without accounting to no one. Great isn’t it? — Teilhard The Extraterrestrial

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How much does one prospect cost for an accounting practice?

I don’t know how much it costs to get a prospect, but I can tell you how much a client is worth.  While two different things, they are related in how much marketing one is willing to do to gain a new client.  In most markets the purchase price of a practice is 1 to 1.5 times annual billings.  Or in a recently closed deal at my office, 1 times the annual revenues collected from clients that use my services was the purchase price (I was willing to go to 1.5 times, but don’t tell him now).  So a client that pays me $500 a year is worth $500. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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What is the general, average cost of a prospective accounting client? Well, there is no figure that I am aware of that you could give as such due to the very unorganized and unmonitored way accounting services are marketed presently. For average industries the cost is around $50 to $250 per prospect, depending on the size of their target group, nature or the item of sale, and efficiency of their advertising and marketing tactics.

Let me tell you a subtle pitfall to avoid in your analysis.  All prospects are not alike.  In fact, they are incredibly diverse, almost different categories.  Apples and Oranges. You wouldn’t say, "how much is the average cost of a grocery item in a supermarket?" So what, if the cost of acquisition of various clients is different? They are all different.  Some are worth gold, some are worth less than nothing. The tool you want to use, in growing your consulting practice has nothing to do with these kinds of dollar averages.  Instead, you should focus on the raw facts:  "what characteristics are you looking for in you client?" … and client relationships?  This is partly a function of your own goals in life and who you want to be, as a person. The other sets of raw facts are "what will it take to get them to hire me?"   Take a few minutes, in a quiet room with these questions, and forget about the dollar stuff. TOdd

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How much does one prospect cost for an accounting practice? Few people come to think about the fact that each prospect you receive has a price tag. As an Accounting Professional you naturally are aware of cost structures as such. Following the actual cost of prospects is worthwhile because it allows you to monitor and eventually control the cost efficiency of your marketing. What is the general, average cost of a prospective accounting client? Well, there is no figure that I am aware of that you could give as such due to the very unorganized and unmonitored way accounting services are marketed presently. For average industries the cost is around $50 to $250 per prospect, depending on the size of their target group, nature or the item of sale, and efficiency of their advertising and marketing tactics. You can spend thousands of dollars and not get a single prospect. And you can get prospects without ANY cost. Neither of these extremes will work for any longer period of time; it

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  Would someone please tell me where can I get a list of ODBC complaint accounting softwares?  I’ve read there several of them, but it seems they are hidden somewhere!  I’m unable to find any!   btw… why is it so difficult to find a GOOD accounting program????

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Visual AccountMate data files can be assessed via ODBC. — Myron Joy CPA       Joy & Associates P.C.       Phoenix Az Accountants and Information Technology Consultants.  Developers of ClientLink E-Accounting Software. Visual AccountMate Business Partner.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Would someone please tell me where can I get a list of ODBC complaint accounting softwares?  I’ve read there several of them, but it seems they are hidden somewhere!  I’m unable to find any!   btw… why is it so difficult to find a GOOD accounting program????

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Nearly all systems, from Accpac to Great Plains, offer ODBC.   A few go the next step, providing open source code.  One of the market anomolies is that open source code systems, such as UA Corporate Accounting, actually cost less than comparable systems.  Would someone please tell me where can I get a list of ODBC complaint accounting softwares?  I’ve read there several of them, but it seems they are hidden somewhere!  I’m unable to find any!  btw… why is it so difficult to find a GOOD accounting program????

I actually think most programs are "good".  Obviously, there are trade-offs of price and features.   If you can specify what you want that is generally unavailable, I can probably help you find it. Respectfully,  - Carl Dick www.cpaccess.com Respectfully,   – Carl Dick www.cpaccess.com 800-997-7944 949-261-2694  California, USA

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Just throwing this into the ether … I have been given the awesome task of redesigning our company database. The objective is to centralise company data so that it can be accessed by all employees from three sites through the UK. The problem is that each database has a different structure because each is being used for a different purpose. Is this essentially a question of finding the common elements and then standardising the field codes? My concern is finding out which is the most up-to-date data and controlling who updates the information. In addition, because a good deal of the data is incomplete, would a customer questionnaire work or would a tele-marketing campaign be better (given that there are over 6000 addresses!) And, there is a lot of information which the customer is not likely to know the specifics of, such as their SIC number. Any ideas or real-world experiences of successes or pitfalls would be handy to have. Rgds, Kieth Naylor      MBMM       *DIGEST VERSIONS*      MEM   Go to http://markethink.com/lists/ to subscribe

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We have been successful with a product called Goldmine- we had 7 different databases to consolidate. We grabbed all the common fields, added the unique ones, then built a unified database. Goldmine has a neat way of synchronizing between sites, and between users. We started 2 years ago with 2700 names, now have 18,000. Tech support, sales, customer service, accounting, and marketing all have different data views- to see their ’stuff’ in their layout; and filters to keep data private or viewed as needed. Leib Lurie

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Kieth, I’ve been working on converting sales/contact databases for Centiour Energy an electric utility in the US that is trying to win the deregulation war. Anyhow, sales/contact management databases are very challenging, you need basic contact info then there is all this "other" data that may be important to people in accounting, and other data is important to sales, and then some data is important to just the product your selling/cross-selling, ie a buyer of perfumes may be a buyer of moisturers.  A buy of computers may be a candidate for projection screen tvs.  Buyers of both may be prospects for home theater sound and on and on. So, a you need to decide what this database is worth first.  That way you can say ok my software developer we think by making this db do all of the above it will mean an extra profit of 6million dollars so you can spend x% of this.  And go from there. I would recommend using a web based app if possible. As far as updates in the US we’ll send out postcards with address correction requested and update accordingly as a first step. Hope this helps, Peter Newell Newell&Associates Client/Server Specialists

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Charlie wrote: > Well, I just got dumped again.  I met this girl… we talked for a while… > I asked if I could call her…  I get her number…  I’m all excited…  I > call later that week and she’s not interested in going out (too busy – it’s > amazing how busy women are).  What gives?  Why give me your number if that’s > the case?

Well, if she found that you are shy (lot’s of things can tell that) then it’s normal. > And my membership to this newsgroup is the fact that she’s only the second > girl I’ve asked this year. > ANYWAY… would anyone be interested in starting a "challenge" group where > on oath we are required to ask out (on dates) a certain number of women (or > men) over a certain time period (say once, maybe twice a month – this isn’t > intended for any regular Romeo’s).  Asking is the goal (not actually being > accepted to going on the dates).  We could even keep score.

No thanks, i’m too old for that. > If this helps anyone I think it would be well worth it.  My personal goal is > to get a date to my office’s formal Christmas party. > I’m not really sure how it could be structured (is a newsgroup the best > place?  Maybe a chat room?). > Any Ideas?  (There’s only three weeks left in October!)

Good luck. John

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Well, I just got dumped again.  I met this girl… we talked for a while… I asked if I could call her…  I get her number…  I’m all excited…  I call later that week and she’s not interested in going out (too busy – it’s amazing how busy women are).  What gives?  Why give me your number if that’s the case? And my membership to this newsgroup is the fact that she’s only the second girl I’ve asked this year. ANYWAY… would anyone be interested in starting a "challenge" group where on oath we are required to ask out (on dates) a certain number of women (or men) over a certain time period (say once, maybe twice a month – this isn’t intended for any regular Romeo’s).  Asking is the goal (not actually being accepted to going on the dates).  We could even keep score. If this helps anyone I think it would be well worth it.  My personal goal is to get a date to my office’s formal Christmas party. I’m not really sure how it could be structured (is a newsgroup the best place?  Maybe a chat room?). Any Ideas?  (There’s only three weeks left in October!)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Andy Nonymous wrote: > On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:29:30 -0400, "Charlie" <violett…@prodigy.net> > wrote: > >Well, I just got dumped again.  I met this girl… we talked for a while… > >I asked if I could call her…  I get her number…  I’m all excited…  I > >call later that week and she’s not interested in going out (too busy – it’s > >amazing how busy women are).  What gives?  Why give me your number if that’s > >the case? > I wouldn’t be so sure, man.  A lot of women (especially 20-somethings > who just flew the nest) really ARE that busy, and she’s probably not > going to break plans for someone she doesn’t really know.  (I’m > assuming she didn’t just dish you some lame-ass line like, "Well, I’m > booked up until December 3rd, 2010; sorry.") > You might consider calling another day and trying to make a date a > week or two in advance.

*BOF* I can hardly get my gf to talk to me on IRC, that busy she is. Then again,I’m also busy, but I wing it like I’m about to, with 5 chapters of Managerial Accounting for tomorrow’s midterm,and 5 hours till the day is over. Instead I write messages in here. > >And my membership to this newsgroup is the fact that she’s only the second > >girl I’ve asked this year. > Eh?  :)

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On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:29:30 -0400, "Charlie" <violett…@prodigy.net> wrote: >Well, I just got dumped again.  I met this girl… we talked for a while… >I asked if I could call her…  I get her number…  I’m all excited…  I >call later that week and she’s not interested in going out (too busy – it’s >amazing how busy women are).  What gives?  Why give me your number if that’s >the case?

I wouldn’t be so sure, man.  A lot of women (especially 20-somethings who just flew the nest) really ARE that busy, and she’s probably not going to break plans for someone she doesn’t really know.  (I’m assuming she didn’t just dish you some lame-ass line like, "Well, I’m booked up until December 3rd, 2010; sorry.") You might consider calling another day and trying to make a date a week or two in advance. >And my membership to this newsgroup is the fact that she’s only the second >girl I’ve asked this year.

Eh?  :) >ANYWAY… would anyone be interested in starting a "challenge" group where >on oath we are required to ask out (on dates) a certain number of women (or >men) over a certain time period

What if someone doesn’t make it? >(say once, maybe twice a month – this isn’t >intended for any regular Romeo’s).  

That’d be like an accelerated class for me!  :) >Asking is the goal (not actually being >accepted to going on the dates).  We could even keep score.

Good.  Keep it to things we can actually control. >If this helps anyone I think it would be well worth it.  My personal goal is >to get a date to my office’s formal Christmas party.

Yeah, a date by Christmas would be nice. >I’m not really sure how it could be structured (is a newsgroup the best >place?  Maybe a chat room?).

Well, here are some pros and cons: Newsgroup Pros: Anyone can participate.  It’s likely to inspire more people. You can access it at your leisure. Cons: Not all messages get to all servers, so some good stories may be missed by some people.  It might actually depress some people.  :) Chat room Pros: Conversations are more natural.  You can get instant feedback. Cons: It’s difficult to get everyone together at the same time on the same day.  Tends to get WAY the fuck off-topic pretty quickly.  :) There’s also a mailing list, which would go like: Pros: You can access it at your leisure. Cons: Someone has to maintain it.

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You should look at Garpac( www.garpac.com) – I have heard that it is wonderful but have never seen it. Their web site has very limited info. There are a many others, from packages which are add ons to MAS 90 to those who offer complete systems from production to sales. Most of them unix based.  IBM also has a presence in this market. You should look at Bobbin Magazine (Bobbin.com) which has reviewed some apparel packages in the past. Good Luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a client who is beginning to look at accounting and order entry packages to run his business. It must support the apparel industry (skus have colors, sizes, for men, women, children).  Any ideas?

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I have a client who is beginning to look at accounting and order entry packages to run his business. It must support the apparel industry (skus have colors, sizes, for men, women, children).  Any ideas?

David, In response to your posting below, we have a piece of software that we have designed for the apparel industry that seems to be what you are looking for.  I would welcome the opportunity to speak with you further and I can be reached at 212-686-3845. Thank you, David Goldin David Goldin Media Connection of New York, Inc. 443 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 212-686-3845 http://www.mcny.com

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I have a client who is beginning to look at accounting and order entry packages to run his business. It must support the apparel industry (skus have colors, sizes, for men, women, children).  Any ideas?

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You’ll want a package that supports the use of "size/color grids".  Only thing is, most of these are retail packages, where the retail side of the transaction is per each, but the purchasing side is by "size/color run". I’m inferring, perhaps incorrectly, that your client is a wholesaler, and not retailer, of apparel?  If this is the case, you’ll need a package that can manipulate stock in size/color runs on both sides of the transaction, I’d guess. If you’re looking for retail/POS, email me back & I’ll make some suggestions…. David Ray CPA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a client who is beginning to look at accounting and order entry packages to run his business. It must support the apparel industry (skus have colors, sizes, for men, women, children).  Any ideas?

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My company does its own accounting on QuickBooks. We are gearing up to switch from ADP to our own payroll, and many of our employees have direct deposit. Quickbooks cannot be configured to do this. If anybody can suggest a standalone application (or even an inexpensive package) that includes the ability to do direct deposit or make other ACH transactions, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks!

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My company does its own accounting on QuickBooks. We are gearing up to switch from ADP to our own payroll, and many of our employees have direct deposit. Quickbooks cannot be configured to do this. If anybody can suggest a standalone application (or even an inexpensive package) that includes the ability to do direct deposit or make other ACH transactions, I would very much appreciate it. Thanks!

There’s a fairly expensive package by SBT(www.SBT.COM) who’s payroll module I believe can do direct deposits.

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 I’m not an ADP sales rep, but one was in my office last week, and apparently they have a standalone package for accountants that allows this. Ask your rep before you burn any bridges…

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There was a short article about GPS in the UK newspaper `The Guardian’ yesterday. There was the usual technical bumf, plus an estimate of providing it, namely one (American) billion dollars per year. I wondered whether Newt Gingrich knows about this and what he will do about it when he finds out. Possible scenarios I came up with are: 1. Scrap it completely – why should America fund other nationals knowing    where they are. 2. Encode the signals and only sell the encoder boxes to Americans –    encryption technologies are weapons, right. So they can’t be sold outside    the States, besides it enables some of the costs to be recovered. 3. Privatise (British English for sell off to private enterprise for much    less than it is worth) the whole thing and let them make a mint out of    it. After all, why should the government fund it. Adds a little impetus to the Guardian’s final comment – don’t discard your compass and dividers — Colin Walls                      | Tel: 01565-614531                |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There was a short article about GPS in the UK newspaper `The Guardian’ yesterday. There was the usual technical bumf, plus an estimate of providing it, namely one (American) billion dollars per year. I wondered whether Newt Gingrich knows about this and what he will do about it when he finds out. Possible scenarios I came up with are: 1. Scrap it completely – why should America fund other nationals knowing    where they are. 2. Encode the signals and only sell the encoder boxes to Americans –    encryption technologies are weapons, right. So they can’t be sold outside    the States, besides it enables some of the costs to be recovered. 3. Privatise (British English for sell off to private enterprise for much    less than it is worth) the whole thing and let them make a mint out of    it. After all, why should the government fund it. Adds a little impetus to the Guardian’s final comment – don’t discard your compass and dividers

The Congress is well aware of the cost and has already ordered both the Defense Department (DOD) and the Department of Transportation (DOT) to figure out how to allocate the costs to users.  DOT is responsible for all civilian and public (versus defense) usage of the GPS system.  This is not a bad place because any national funding for roads, bridges, trains, planes, automobiles, trucks, buses, St. Lawrence Seaway, boats, ships, and U.S. Coast Guard flow through this department.  How to allocate the cost for GPS and who wants (for example, boat cruisers) or needs (for example, surveyors) to use the system are being discussed by the current administration.  It may be that the cost is borne by the manufacturers by purchasing a per unit license at the rate of anywhere from US$10 to US$100.  Of course, any manufacturer cost would be passed to the consumer.  Another alternative is to have each of the Departments that use the system or have users associated to them bear the cost from their annual budget.  In other words, we the US taxpayers may see no savings, just a more honest accounting. Your estimate for annual operating costs is a tad high though.  The last estimate bandied about for the civilian and public sectors was on the order of US$300M.  The reason is that DOD has been assigned all of the build and launch costs.  This is because, it doesn’t matter that either none or millions of non-defense users are located throughout the world, DOD still needs the system. More as it becomes public, Ken Lamm

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