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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes I wasn’t allowed to work and I didn’t get an allowance very often – so… I had to beg or manipulate for what I wanted. Literally. Finally right before I went to college I was allowed to babysit a little. When I got to college spending money was very sparce so I got a job building scenery. But then of course my allowance was taken away. I went for one year and I got real tired of being controlled long distance by purse strings. I left home – got a full time job – struggled like hell but I finally found a way to stop all that controlling stuff. Sometimes I lived on oatmeal and peanut butter. But I was free.
*Amen* I think of that as your taking the conservative approach. You made choices that caused you to be successful and self-sufficient. If you had a clone (as pleasant as that thought otherwise is) and she had said "Somebody (society) should *give* me my tuition and leave me alone", that would be a lady of the "liberal" outlook. I think in terms of small towns (Population 134, when I grew up there). That is my "society". I couldn’t fathom saying "Mr coal miner, 9th grade gruduate, feeding 4 kids, I expect *you* to pay my tuition". Nor could I say that I feel "discouraged" or "disadvantaged", so the fellow who built the hardware store, or the lady who operates the small diner should get me a house, groceries, whatever…. That’s my society. And, if we skip society and go on to "the government", my government is the fellow who threw the switches at a local rail yard, because he was our mayor. Do I count on him to squeeze money out of the other people in town so I can have what I want and don’t intend to pay for? When we grow to the faceless anonymity of large cities, when the folks we want to take from have no identity in our minds, it’s easy to feel that *somebody* should be giving something so that I don’t have to get up and go to work in the morning. Of course they *will* have to work to get money to pay us *not* to work :)} SpiritQuest Where are *they* with my new Corvette, dammit 
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And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide. Unfortunately, I cannot agree with any of the definitions thus far
That’s a natural. I think that the greater our distaste with one group of people, the more we lump that group into the misguided. While I’m more focused on the conservative "middle class" or even the "Southern Democrat", it looks like you’re focused on the industrialist. provided. There too many wealthy conservatives who did not earn the trust fund or the inheritance that they so bitterly do not want to pay taxes on, who collect social security as well as utterly unearned pensions ( golden parachutes ) who open a post office box in Bermuda to avoid paying corporate taxes, who find greasy accountants to help them avoid paying personal income taxes on "farms" ( tax shelters)
There’s the difference in our backgrounds and emotional makeup. I don’t mind those who are wealthy, however they came by it. I’d like to be able to pass on more to my kids and have them keep it. I’m "dramatically overinsured" for that. And, should one of my offspring, the really financially oriented one, wind up with a 25K tax bill vs his laid back brother’s 2K tax bill, I’d like to see ways for him to trim it back to a reasonable share, a bit more equal. I can’t see him paying for his brother’s choice of jobs after his brother eliminates those that don’t have the social rewards, or that are too high-stress to consider. that they are being *paid subsidies* to not grow upon, who lambast welfare as they lobby for government "assistance" in setting up foriegn manufacturing, and they will be the last to recognize that they are suckling at the teat of public largesse. There were only
I think you’re talking corporations rather than individuals. That’s a different (I think) problem. How do you compete and stay alive with your $30 an hour auto worker against the $1.25 an hour Korean making a Hyundai. Something has to give. And, I look at that auto worker and their "right" to charge that much for building a car to be sold to an $8 shoe salesman. conservatives who lobbied for a provision in the NAFTA treaty to allow corporations to sue governments if government regulations "damaged" their ability to make a profit. There is a lawsuit being played out in California right now, the Canadian manufacturer of a gasoline additive found to be harmful, is suing for $750,000,000.00.
I hadn’t heard of that one. Wonder if it will go anywhere. I recall autoworkers (my natural reference, since I’m in Detroit) getting 90% of their nice paycheck though they weren’t working, because other americans were being allowed to buy Japanese cars and were choosing to do so. Don’t know what the bill was for that. And, we grow up with "they", this unidentiable entity that’s supposed to move in and be a good Dad to us, if we follow the liberal line of thinking (Hey, canya tell I’m a conservative). It is far more complicated than Jack’s black and white universe. Colin
It’s more complicated than any of us with our particular viewpoint can assess, I expect. Still, the exchange is educational and beats hell out of the "Yo Mama!" threads } SpiritQuest
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know some good but bitter folks at the local state agencies who complain that the help available to those who *need* it, is so little because such a big portion goes to those who don’t, but who "fit the formula". SpiritQuest soup kitchen server but it’s voluntary I can’t even get engaged with discussions down here on the street level, I am pissed about the upper levels, the pet military contracts for expensive hardware that even the military does not want, but that some contractor padded through some legislator’s bill,
I’ve seen all the sides to that, since I’ve been in that sort of function. The army’s wants go to congress, and often the individual representatives fold in more products from their state, saying "We put $xxxxx into the tax coffers and the share coming back as work for people in my state isn’t in line". I’ve gotten info "back door" to congress to buy more of the "mundane" equipment because it was smart economically rather than keeping the older stuff. I’ve also seen contractors get contracts for stuff that was "nice to have" but not necessary because they were the only organization that could produce the "need to have" a couple years down the line and they’d lose their experienced employees, the tooling, and the plant that could produce the "need to have" stuff. Endless shades of grey. the junkets to foriegn lands for "fact-finding" the appalling claims that the U.S.
They look a bit silly when they’re caught. I watch regular working folks here, trying to "get over" whenever they can. I don’t expect higher standards from congresscritters. just "cannot afford" to help out with heating bills or skyrocketing tuition, but we will find the money to paste Iraq a good one. We can afford to do almost anything. We can. We choose not to.
Ah, and there’s where I go in a different direction than some. My sons (second one just moved back home) have a $0 heating bill because they made the choice to accept Dad’s roof with Dad’s restrictions. If there are millions out there who could do that (and I exempt the abused from this contention, naturally), how much should be taken from my check for those who expect a standard of living that they can’t afford, or how much from the small checks my sons get. The 20 year old who wants a new car and nice apartment with no roomies may be "underprivileged" or may just be unrealistic. A few years, some more education, and some "up the corporate" ladder is a cure they can implement rather than looking for a cure from someone else. Colin
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I know some good but bitter folks at the local state agencies who complain that the help available to those who *need* it, is so little because such a big portion goes to those who don’t, but who "fit the formula". SpiritQuest soup kitchen server but it’s voluntary
I can’t even get engaged with discussions down here on the street level, I am pissed about the upper levels, the pet military contracts for expensive hardware that even the military does not want, but that some contractor padded through some legislator’s bill, the junkets to foriegn lands for "fact-finding" the appalling claims that the U.S. just "cannot afford" to help out with heating bills or skyrocketing tuition, but we will find the money to paste Iraq a good one. We can afford to do almost anything. We can. We choose not to. Colin
Political liberalism is, at base, the philosophy that personal liberty and the good of the individual is supreme to other political concerns. Liberals frame their political views as being in defense of individual liberties.
Conservatives have hijacked that sentiment when it comes to making money, "less government interference" they say. . . . I think of liberals as those who grew up understanding that the deck can be stacked against you at birth, and that therefore some public redress may be appropriate.
And conservatives will look to the government to protect them from the world economy, public redress in the name of tariffs and subsidies and the use of Federal lands for personal profits in mining and timber. And, I suppose, conservatives may require public redress to further their agenda against individual choice and the private morality of one’s sexual orientation and nowadays, even their Post-Homeland Security Bill reading choices at the local library. . . . From what I understand, the essence of conservatism is its emphasis on tradition as a source of wisdom that goes beyond what can be demonstrated or even explicitly stated. Traditional values – hard work is rewarded, saving money will provide for your needs – don’t always work out as anticipated, at least in my opinion. Not for everyone.
The traditions of the Capitalist Barons are rich indeed. . . Colin
eek. liberal *is* the middle. anyway, it was once 
It is a scary story, the story of how liberal became a dirty word. . . . Colin
Colin!!! LTNS!!! welcome back! azure
Hello Azure, I have capitalized your A in recognition of this most August moment. Colin
Very thought-provoking, Jack. The part I pasted above is the only one I thoroughly disagree with. That’s why I pasted it here. I think the problem that causes all of this vitriolic right/left conservative/liberal clap-trap runs deeper. What do you believe the deeper problem is? Colin You’re saying that you embrace the liberal sentiment on all the other issues?
No. I said that I agreed with you. And you ask what the problem is?
I don’t need to ask. I can see it right here. You’re so damn stuck in a us/them mentality that you completely missed the fact that I agreed with you. I refuse to get stuck in us/them conservative/liberal right/left, but, nonetheless find that I get pigeonholed anyway. Colin
Heya Colin, and welcome back. Missed seein ya }
Hey. I’ll lay the "blame" for the differences on families. When Joe and Ralph are teenagers and want something, and one dad digs into his pocket, while the other responds with "I had a paper-delivery job when I was your age", I think that’s a clear sign of the differences we grow up with.
On an individual level, I had to earn my way to freedom. Jack, I think, would not know that about me. And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide.
Unfortunately, I cannot agree with any of the definitions thus far provided. There too many wealthy conservatives who did not earn the trust fund or the inheritance that they so bitterly do not want to pay taxes on, who collect social security as well as utterly unearned pensions ( golden parachutes ) who open a post office box in Bermuda to avoid paying corporate taxes, who find greasy accountants to help them avoid paying personal income taxes on "farms" ( tax shelters) that they are being *paid subsidies* to not grow upon, who lambast welfare as they lobby for government "assistance" in setting up foriegn manufacturing, and they will be the last to recognize that they are suckling at the teat of public largesse. There were only conservatives who lobbied for a provision in the NAFTA treaty to allow corporations to sue governments if government regulations "damaged" their ability to make a profit. There is a lawsuit being played out in California right now, the Canadian manufacturer of a gasoline additive found to be harmful, is suing for $750,000,000.00. And, we grow up with "they", this unidentiable entity that’s supposed to move in and be a good Dad to us, if we follow the liberal line of thinking (Hey, canya tell I’m a conservative).
It is far more complicated than Jack’s black and white universe. Colin
this "creed" perfectly describes the thinking of every liberal leftist i have ever met!
"liberal leftist" is an oxymoron. the left has no political voice in north america at the present time. cal
this "creed" perfectly describes the thinking of every liberal leftist i have ever met! "liberal leftist" is an oxymoron. the left has no political voice in north america at the present time. cal
Actually, a liberal sociopolitical mindset has dominated Canada and the US for 40+ years. BroJack
this "creed" perfectly describes the thinking of every liberal leftist i have ever met! thank you for posting it, BroJack. i will use it as resource material the next time i am being lambasted for being a conservative. ps. i always admire your clear and concise point of view. you have a powerful mind and you aren’t afraid to use it. 
i like that.
I agree Catherine – the truth of the matter lays somewhere in the middle of either position.
eek. liberal *is* the middle. anyway, it was once cal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, you … I’m not an expert on the whole liberal/conservative question by any means. I can speak, at most, from my own experience. And I’m not going to talk about Alan or Jack or anyone specifically, eh? Now, if I just *bought* my first .22 rifle, and the fellow next to me was complaining that he wished he had one, but his dad just *refused* to get him one, we have a conservative and liberal sitting side-by-side. I think I disagree. I know I want to think about this. I’m just learning to frame my own political views (belatedly) so bear with me, eh? Political liberalism is, at base, the philosophy that personal liberty and the good of the individual is supreme to other political concerns. Liberals frame their political views as being in defense of individual liberties. The "left" can range from modern liberalism, extending through social democrats and moderate socialists into communism. My mother (age 83) is a life-long liberal (self-described) – educated during the Depression and shaped by the Union movement – much as your father was a union activist, I think I recall you saying. Her father was a coal-miner. She doesn’t see herself as having had a life of entitlement, but rather as having compassion for those who cannot partake of what this society has to offer through no fault of their own. And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide. I think of liberals as those who grew up understanding that the deck can be stacked against you at birth, and that therefore some public redress may be appropriate. From what I understand, the essence of conservatism is its emphasis on tradition as a source of wisdom that goes beyond what can be demonstrated or even explicitly stated. Traditional values – hard work is rewarded, saving money will provide for your needs – don’t always work out as anticipated, at least in my opinion. Not for everyone. Catherine
Hey, you … I’m not an expert on the whole liberal/conservative question by any means. I can speak, at most, from my own experience. And I’m not going to talk about Alan or Jack or anyone specifically, eh? Now, if I just *bought* my first .22 rifle, and the fellow next to me was complaining that he wished he had one, but his dad just *refused* to get him one, we have a conservative and liberal sitting side-by-side.
I think I disagree. I know I want to think about this. I’m just learning to frame my own political views (belatedly) so bear with me, eh? Political liberalism is, at base, the philosophy that personal liberty and the good of the individual is supreme to other political concerns. Liberals frame their political views as being in defense of individual liberties. The "left" can range from modern liberalism, extending through social democrats and moderate socialists into communism. My mother (age 83) is a life-long liberal (self-described) – educated during the Depression and shaped by the Union movement – much as your father was a union activist, I think I recall you saying. Her father was a coal-miner. She doesn’t see herself as having had a life of entitlement, but rather as having compassion for those who cannot partake of what this society has to offer through no fault of their own. And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide.
I think of liberals as those who grew up understanding that the deck can be stacked against you at birth, and that therefore some public redress may be appropriate. From what I understand, the essence of conservatism is its emphasis on tradition as a source of wisdom that goes beyond what can be demonstrated or even explicitly stated. Traditional values – hard work is rewarded, saving money will provide for your needs – don’t always work out as anticipated, at least in my opinion. Not for everyone. Catherine
Hey, you … I’m not an expert on the whole liberal/conservative question by any means. I can speak, at most, from my own experience. And I’m not going to talk about Alan or Jack or anyone specifically, eh?
Well, *I’m* an expert on *everything*, so I’ll give you wise counsel where appropriate, saving the *inappropriate* for other than political positions } Now, if I just *bought* my first .22 rifle, and the fellow next to me was complaining that he wished he had one, but his dad just *refused* to get him one, we have a conservative and liberal sitting side-by-side. I think I disagree. I know I want to think about this. I’m just learning to frame my own political views (belatedly) so bear with me, eh?
I have nothing against nudism } Political liberalism is, at base, the philosophy that personal liberty and the good of the individual is supreme to other political concerns. Liberals frame their political views as being in defense of individual
I think the difference between the liberal and the conservative is the matter of whose liberties are to be preserved. I contend that you can’t grant more liberty to one person without taking some liberty from another, but I hear what you’re saying. liberties. The "left" can range from modern liberalism, extending through social democrats and moderate socialists into communism. My mother (age 83) is a life-long liberal (self-described) – educated during the Depression and shaped by the Union movement – much as your father was a union activist, I think I recall you saying. Her father was a coal-miner. She doesn’t see herself as having had a life of entitlement, but rather as having compassion for those who cannot partake of what this society has to offer through no fault of their own.
Yep, Dad was a union type, at the lower-mid level. And his son was (and is) pretty well against the union’s representation of "management". We never had an argument. We talked about fishing. I understand that. If we use the word "cannot", we get into shades of grey, but by *my* definition "Even if needed to, to keep someone from dropping my child off a cliff", that works for me. Provide for those who cannot. And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide. I think of liberals as those who grew up understanding that the deck can be stacked against you at birth, and that therefore some public redress may be appropriate.
Catherine! :)} Is this a test of self-control? "redress"? and in *public* yet? ……OK, back to pretending to be sane. I like the word "assistance", not as in "public assistance" which means get on and stay on. I’m closer to "OK, I picked you up, now walk". From what I understand, the essence of conservatism is its emphasis on tradition as a source of wisdom that goes beyond what can be demonstrated or even explicitly stated. Traditional values – hard work is rewarded, saving money will provide for your needs – don’t always work out as anticipated, at least in my opinion. Not for everyone.
I think that, from the dictionary definition and the poly-sci definition, that’s probably it. I think of what you said above as "self-responsibility", and the alternative as something akin to "poor me". Then again, I’m just a wee bit to the conservative side } Still, where we seem to encounter our anger is in rationalizing our wants into either the conservative or liberal framework. When my taxes drop from 25K to 23K because of some tax break, and someone who didn’t see a drop in the 3K he pays for the same services actually *complains* about the great deal I got, I get a bit tense in the shoulders. I think the liberal election platform is that you *can* have more circuses and cotton candy and nobody will *really* have to pay for it. When the social cushion is such that it’s a better deal than getting an entry-level job and living with whomever you can get to share expenses, we encourage folks *not* to work. I’ve actually interviewed folks who told me they would be very *bad* secretaries, but had to come in in order to continue to get the benefits they were currently getting. I have other folks with that level of income who have a roomie or two and who do quite well. Catherine
*SMoooooch* Glad you’ve joined into this. Always good to see another moderate like myself } SpiritQuest looking hard at April 15 the *cost* of liberalism }
X-No-Archive: yes I agree Catherine – the truth of the matter lays somewhere in the middle of either position.
Yes, and…..er….. um….. OK, you two are plotting against me } And when you thru with the middle of the position you do a public redress. and, then folks come along and blame poor ole SQ :)} SpiritQuest So, pushing my funny button eh? :)}
X-No-Archive: yes I think of that as your taking the conservative approach. You made choices that caused you to be successful and self-sufficient. In the end – but it was a long hard often hungry trip.
But you didn’t make someone *else’s* life hungrier, doing it that way. Well – I’ve always been a mixture. In my 30’s I went back to school – worked two jobs and got some grants – did it on my own. Years later my mother bought me a car with the money they didn’t spend on my college. She took twenty years to offer that and it took me that long to be able to accept it.
I *strongly* believe in family. I wonder how many folks are getting social assistance because it’s a simple alternative to helping each other. Why should my sister be $3000 short when I can get that amount from "society"? I don’t remember ever thinking that kind of thing. I was stubborn to a fault. What I got I earned myself.
Same here. Traded college for 5 years of military service, and did night school to get more degrees. That makes me "lucky" in the eyes of those who didn’t care to do that. No – but if you downright had to would you? The people who have to – no arrogance involved on their part – the ones who really need. Those folks I take a great deal of pride and pleasure in leading them to help.
If I had to ask, I would. I wouldn’t use a word like "deserve". Nor would I think that a shelter and a hot meal were less than I was "owed". If I were pointed to an honest way of making money I’d feel grateful to those who contributed to that organization. I would hope that it was voluntary contri butions. I have no problem with liberals contributing all of *their* income they want } I have a million stories I could tell ya of different types of people looking for help. My job is to help them find it and not judge them and for the most part I try to do that. Some days it hard.
I know some good but bitter folks at the local state agencies who complain that the help available to those who *need* it, is so little because such a big portion goes to those who don’t, but who "fit the formula". SpiritQuest soup kitchen server but it’s voluntary
You believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack
Very thought-provoking, Jack. The part I pasted above is the only one I thoroughly disagree with. That’s why I pasted it here. I think the problem that causes all of this vitriolic right/left conservative/liberal clap-trap runs deeper. What do you believe the deeper problem is? Colin
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack Very thought-provoking, Jack. The part I pasted above is the only one I thoroughly disagree with. That’s why I pasted it here. I think the problem that causes all of this vitriolic right/left conservative/liberal clap-trap runs deeper. What do you believe the deeper problem is? Colin
You’re saying that you embrace the liberal sentiment on all the other issues? And you ask what the problem is? Jack
Colin!!! LTNS!!! welcome back! azure – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack Very thought-provoking, Jack. The part I pasted above is the only one I thoroughly disagree with. That’s why I pasted it here. I think the problem that causes all of this vitriolic right/left conservative/liberal clap-trap runs deeper. What do you believe the deeper problem is? Colin
What’s your point Bro ? sumbuddie wants duex know And you believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack
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What’s your point Bro ? sumbuddie wants duex know
Take the test, Alan. Bet you fail every item. BroJack
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack Very thought-provoking, Jack. The part I pasted above is the only one I thoroughly disagree with. That’s why I pasted it here. I think the problem that causes all of this vitriolic right/left conservative/liberal clap-trap runs deeper. What do you believe the deeper problem is? Colin
Heya Colin, and welcome back. Missed seein ya } And, I can’t pass up (aw, hell, I *can*, but I love em) a good exchange on "society". :)} I’ll lay the "blame" for the differences on families. When Joe and Ralph are teenagers and want something, and one dad digs into his pocket, while the other responds with "I had a paper-delivery job when I was your age", I think that’s a clear sign of the differences we grow up with. I think it’s spread all through our childhood, since Dad’s attitude toward "if you want it" probably isn’t a sudden thing. I remember working in crop fields at 11 or 12, and doing the "small stuff", changing oil, changing tires at a local garage at around 14. That’s not "my hardship life". Heck, I had *money*. :)} Now, if I just *bought* my first .22 rifle, and the fellow next to me was complaining that he wished he had one, but his dad just *refused* to get him one, we have a conservative and liberal sitting side-by-side. And I *know* it sounds demeaning, or deprecating, or one of those "de" words, but I think of liberals as those who grew up with Dad providing, and who expect to leave his house and have "society" provide. I remember a short local newsclip where a father was at home, unemployed, drawing some kind of benefits, saying into the news camera "Yes, I opened the fire hydrant. My kids have nothing to do. *They* haven’t put a place in the neighborhood where kids can play". That man’s a liberal, in my mind. A conservative thinks of card games, and dominoes, and making things out of whatever is available because they are *his* kids. It’s not a matter of "Hey, society, here’s the kid we had". And, we grow up with "they", this unidentiable entity that’s supposed to move in and be a good Dad to us, if we follow the liberal line of thinking (Hey, canya tell I’m a conservative). That’s more than wordy enough as a start } Again, hi, and welcome back } SpiritQuest liberal the amount of bacon grease it takes to fry *good* eggs
You believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding. You believe that the same teacher who can’t teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex. You believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat, than US nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists. You believe that there was no art before Federal funding. You believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth’s climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs. You believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural. You are against capital punishment but support abortion on demand. You believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity. You believe that hunters don’t care about nature, but loony activists who’ve never been outside of a city do. You believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it. You believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars. You believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution. You believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high. You believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren’t. You believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady. You believe that the only reason socialism hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried, is because the right people haven’t been in charge. You believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House. You believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal. You believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States. And you believe that this letter is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. BroJack
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Collin Powel claimed Ricin found in the UK was furnished by Iraq, when in fact, UK authorities had already proven it was Home-made Ricin, produced in the UK! Spread the truth as far and wide as possible. This message was suspiciously removed from CNN US, but still maintained on CNN Asia and CNN Europe. Inspecting "Inspections" The U.N. is still playing Saddam’s game. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 8:45 AM PT Now that Osama Bin Laden, or at any rate his organization, has officially denied that an intervention in Iraq would be a distraction from the war on terror, the time may have come for a brisk cleanup in the prewar "fighting words" department. No doubt new terms will soon be in play, but here is a wrap-up on the old ones. "Material breach" and "inspections": Up until now, these expressions have regularly been employed in the wrong order. The Saddam Hussein regime has been, since 1992, in a continuous state of material breach of all its obligations to disarm. It was for this reason that a new resolution was passed by the Security Council of the United Nations, demanding that the decadelong breach be repaired. One has not yet run into anybody who believes that Saddam made any attempt to comply with the terms of the resolution, which indeed he did not. But one does hear the platonic theory that he might come into compliance, if only given more time. He happens to want more time for quite other reasons, so Hans Blix’s disclosure that he might be undergoing "a change of heart" is an especially touching one. Faced with all these material breaches, including conclusive evidence that the Iraqi authorities know when they are dropping by and where, the "inspectors" have to admit that they have become the objects of inspection rather than the conductors of it. In fact, it’s glaringly apparent that their ranks have been infiltrated, or suborned, or both. I know of at least one incontrovertible case where a senior inspector was offered a huge bribe by Tariq Aziz himself: The man in question refused the money, but obviously not everybody did. Those who are calling for "more time" in this process should be aware that they are calling for more time for Saddam’s people to complete their humiliation and subversion of the inspectors. Colin Powell, who has been getting good press for getting good press (the highest honor that American culture can bestow), can be faulted for at least one and perhaps two of his recent performances. The first was the welcome he gave to the idea of a safe haven for Saddam Hussein, thus greatly weakening the moral basis for the claim of "regime change." The second, arguably, was when he took his classified evidence and presented it to the United Nations. Paradoxically, this triumphant piece of public relations undermined the authority of the unanimous Security Council resolution it was designed to invoke. The resolution places the onus squarely on Iraq to prove that it has complied. There is no mention in the resolution of any requirement for the international community to furnish more evidence. Inspection is the term of art employed to describe the monitoring of compliance, not the unearthing of empirical proofs. As it happens, more empirical proofs have been unearthed, but no investigation, in the strict sense, has been carried out. If the United Nations was to call for an investigation of Iraq’s arsenal, complete with inventory and accounting, it would logically have to call for the dispatch of armed peacekeepers, at the very least, in order to ensure access. Such a job could never be carried out by a small posse of civilians. And, given the square mileage of Iraq, the number of those armed peacekeepers would have to be pretty high. This would not be an invasion by most definitions, but it would very much resemble an occupation. And that raises the question of the most central of all the fighting words, "War." Are we in fact talking about going to "war" at all? During the 1956 Anglo-French-Israeli attack upon Egypt, the preposterous British prime minister, Sir Anthony Eden, told Parliament that "we are not at war with Egypt. We are in a state of armed conflict." This was an obvious attempt to deny reality at a time when the Soviet Union, moreover, was threatening to intervene on Egypt’s side. But is it frivolous to ask whether the use of force in Iraq amounts to war in, say, the Vietnam sense of the term? "Stop the war before it starts" was the rather fatuous slogan of the peaceniks in the case of Afghanistan in 2001, and their plaintive slogan was echoed in reality because the "war" was over almost before it had begun. A war involves a minimum of two nations deploying their armed forces against each other: This could be only a technically apt description of hostilities as between the United States and its allies and the private army of Saddam Hussein. It would be just as accurate to say, "No quarrel with Saddam Hussein," as it would be to say, "No war on Iraq." And it might not be a euphemism to describe the impending event as a forcible removal of a hostile regime. It would certainly be at least as accurate as a description of the political objective. This may seem like giving a hostage to fortune, but Saddam Hussein’s armed forces mainly ran away or surrendered last time, and his air force had to be lent to Iran (which failed to return it), and there has been considerable degeneration in the morale and equipment of these forces since. The best that can be said of the Iraqi army is that it has not recently lost a war against its own civilians. Meanwhile, the evolution of PGMs-precision-guided munitions-makes it rational to hope that this distinction between combatant and computer can be observed on our side. Next week I’d like to make the closing case for why this war, if it is to be so-called, would deserve to be called "just."
Collin Powel claimed Ricin found in the UK was furnished by Iraq, when in fact, UK authorities had already proven it was Home-made Ricin, produced in the UK! Spread the truth as far and wide as possible. This message was suspiciously removed from CNN US, but still maintained on CNN Asia and CNN Europe.
Inspecting "Inspections" The U.N. is still playing Saddam’s game. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 8:45 AM PT Now that Osama Bin Laden, or at any rate his organization, has officially denied that an intervention in Iraq would be a distraction from the war on terror, the time may have come for a brisk cleanup in the prewar "fighting words" department. No doubt new terms will soon be in play, but here is a wrap-up on the old ones. "Material breach" and "inspections": Up until now, these expressions have regularly been employed in the wrong order. The Saddam Hussein regime has been, since 1992, in a continuous state of material breach of all its obligations to disarm. It was for this reason that a new resolution was passed by the Security Council of the United Nations, demanding that the decadelong breach be repaired. One has not yet run into anybody who believes that Saddam made any attempt to comply with the terms of the resolution, which indeed he did not. But one does hear the platonic theory that he might come into compliance, if only given more time. He happens to want more time for quite other reasons, so Hans Blix’s disclosure that he might be undergoing "a change of heart" is an especially touching one. Faced with all these material breaches, including conclusive evidence that the Iraqi authorities know when they are dropping by and where, the "inspectors" have to admit that they have become the objects of inspection rather than the conductors of it. In fact, it’s glaringly apparent that their ranks have been infiltrated, or suborned, or both. I know of at least one incontrovertible case where a senior inspector was offered a huge bribe by Tariq Aziz himself: The man in question refused the money, but obviously not everybody did. Those who are calling for "more time" in this process should be aware that they are calling for more time for Saddam’s people to complete their humiliation and subversion of the inspectors. Colin Powell, who has been getting good press for getting good press (the highest honor that American culture can bestow), can be faulted for at least one and perhaps two of his recent performances. The first was the welcome he gave to the idea of a safe haven for Saddam Hussein, thus greatly weakening the moral basis for the claim of "regime change." The second, arguably, was when he took his classified evidence and presented it to the United Nations. Paradoxically, this triumphant piece of public relations undermined the authority of the unanimous Security Council resolution it was designed to invoke. The resolution places the onus squarely on Iraq to prove that it has complied. There is no mention in the resolution of any requirement for the international community to furnish more evidence. Inspection is the term of art employed to describe the monitoring of compliance, not the unearthing of empirical proofs. As it happens, more empirical proofs have been unearthed, but no investigation, in the strict sense, has been carried out. If the United Nations was to call for an investigation of Iraq’s arsenal, complete with inventory and accounting, it would logically have to call for the dispatch of armed peacekeepers, at the very least, in order to ensure access. Such a job could never be carried out by a small posse of civilians. And, given the square mileage of Iraq, the number of those armed peacekeepers would have to be pretty high. This would not be an invasion by most definitions, but it would very much resemble an occupation. And that raises the question of the most central of all the fighting words, "War." Are we in fact talking about going to "war" at all? During the 1956 Anglo-French-Israeli attack upon Egypt, the preposterous British prime minister, Sir Anthony Eden, told Parliament that "we are not at war with Egypt. We are in a state of armed conflict." This was an obvious attempt to deny reality at a time when the Soviet Union, moreover, was threatening to intervene on Egypt’s side. But is it frivolous to ask whether the use of force in Iraq amounts to war in, say, the Vietnam sense of the term? "Stop the war before it starts" was the rather fatuous slogan of the peaceniks in the case of Afghanistan in 2001, and their plaintive slogan was echoed in reality because the "war" was over almost before it had begun. A war involves a minimum of two nations deploying their armed forces against each other: This could be only a technically apt description of hostilities as between the United States and its allies and the private army of Saddam Hussein. It would be just as accurate to say, "No quarrel with Saddam Hussein," as it would be to say, "No war on Iraq." And it might not be a euphemism to describe the impending event as a forcible removal of a hostile regime. It would certainly be at least as accurate as a description of the political objective. This may seem like giving a hostage to fortune, but Saddam Hussein’s armed forces mainly ran away or surrendered last time, and his air force had to be lent to Iran (which failed to return it), and there has been considerable degeneration in the morale and equipment of these forces since. The best that can be said of the Iraqi army is that it has not recently lost a war against its own civilians. Meanwhile, the evolution of PGMs
Accounting Talk » Business Accounting » Slightly OT: Return Policy
If I go to another Home Depot, yes, they do accept refunds not bought at that store. And they price match the other store in the case of differing tax rates. I would not expect them to accept returns from Lowes because the NAME is DIFFERENT. Last time I checked, stores with the same names aren’t ‘competitors’. I used to work in a franchised store myself. If it has the company name on it, you do the refund the way the receipt says it was bought. The sign says ‘Ace Hardware’, not ‘Joe Schmoe’s Hardware, featuring Ace Products’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You really expect a sign at every store saying they will not accept returned merchandise bought elsewhere? If I go to Home Depot, I do not need a sign telling me they will not accept a return of merchandise purchased at Lowes. You sound like an idiot to me. You want someone to give you money for a product bought at a competitor’s store and you want *more* money than what they sell normally charge for the product.
As a business owner I would not want your lazy ass as a customer. No sir I don’t need people like you who get so worked up over $1.00 .I f you did buy something from me you would more than likely be a pain in he ass. I am to busy bunkie to have you as a customer. Hell I can ease the pain of hemoriods for a few bucks. But you…… I could never get relief. Go some place else, please don’t do business with me.
If I go to another Home Depot, yes, they do accept refunds not bought The sign says ‘Ace Hardware’, not ‘Joe Schmoe’s Hardware, featuring Ace Products’
No so. I agree about HD as they are company owned stores. Here in Putnam CT, you can go to Modern Lumber and see the Ace sign. They are a franchise. How about Koopman’s True Value? They have stores in three locations and all have the Koopman’s sign more dominant that the True Value. Take a look in the Yellow Pages under "Hardware." What to you see? Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
. If it has the company name on it, you do the refund the way the receipt says it was bought. The sign says ‘Ace Hardware’, not ‘Joe Schmoe’s Hardware, featuring Ace Products’
Actually, I have been to several Ace hardware stores. Each one had a name on it such as San Dimas Hardaware or Mr. G’s Hardware. The Ace was a subtitle at best. It was always clear to me that they were independent entities.
Actually, I have been to several Ace hardware stores. Each one had a name on it such as San Dimas Hardaware or Mr. G’s Hardware. The Ace was a subtitle at best. It was always clear to me that they were independent entities.
After searching the web for "Ace hardware return policy" it appears that an Ace brand product can be returned to any franchised store regardless of where it was purchased. I could find nothing in regards to returning a non Ace brand product. — Jack Novak Buffalo, NY – USA
If I go to another Home Depot, yes, they do accept refunds not bought at that store. And they price match the other store in the case of differing tax rates. I would not expect them to accept returns from Lowes because the NAME is DIFFERENT. Last time I checked, stores with the same names aren’t ‘competitors’. I used to work in a franchised store myself. If it has the company name on it, you do the refund the way the receipt says it was bought. The sign says ‘Ace Hardware’, not ‘Joe Schmoe’s Hardware, featuring Ace Products’
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On another note, the Chicago Tribune has a story tomorrow about return policies in stores. It seems that even with gift receipts, stores are refusing to refund items bought and paid for. Yet they wonder why they are losing business. A store that is willing to help their customers will have lots of customers. A store that isn’t willing to help them will soon not need them.
If you owned a franchise would you want to give returns on items that weren’t bought at your store, especially for a dollar more than you actually sell the item for? I don’t blame the franchisee one bit (although he probably shouldn’t be advertising "hassle free returns" if this is his policy). Nonetheless, you’re dealing with the BORG, not nordstrom’s. If you want truly hassle-free returns, buy everything at woodcraft and pay %10 – %20 more for it. — J. Durango "Guitar is only guitar, not other instrument, and we like it." – How to Arrange Ragtime for Guitar (translated from Japanese to English) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway. That should answer your question right there. A franchise store does not have to accept returns on inventory purchased elsewhere. Even a chain store doesn’t have to. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida? He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
Let me make sure I understand this correctly: You wanted to return something to a store where you didn’t buy it, and not only that but you wanted them to give you more for it than they were selling it for. When they didn’t want to do so, you thought _they_ were out of line? Hello? What am I missing here? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See above thread on expired shellac – it won’t dry on glass, so I brought it back. However, since I had to drive in the other direction today, I thought I’d bring it to the Ace Hardware in /that/ direction and see if they had any fresher cans. I walk into the store and there’s a HUGE sign on the front window – No Hassle Return Policy On Refunds And Exchanges – Your Reciept Proves It! Okay, no problem. So I go in and someone comes up to help me. He immediately says ‘Well you didn’t buy it HERE. We don’t even carry this, but if we did, we wouldn’t HAVE to exchange it’. An older worker comes up and says that they DO carry it, and I go over and all of those are expired too. So I ask for a refund. First he says once again, you didn’t buy it here, so we don’t HAVE to give you your money back. This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida?
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The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there. Combined, the staff must have said ‘Franchise’ about 10 times. Just say you can or can’t do it. I don’t want to hear a corporate schpiel. And the fact that the moment I showed them what I was exchanging, the first guy said ‘We don’t have that, can’t do it.’ Ace is the only one to carry Bulls Eye amber shellac [Home Depot only stocks clear]. I’m going to have to go back to Lowes to check out the Parks Orange Shellac, but A) it’s a huge can that I don’t need and B) I don’t remember it having any kind of ‘manufactured on’ date when I looked at it, so I’d have no clue how old it is. No, I don’t want to mail order flakes when I only need enough to cover a 3" x 4′ surface with it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
One: I was told they didn’t have an item that they did have.
Ok Two: They obviously don’t take care of their stock or there wouldn’t be 3 year old shellac on the shelves. Nor did they offer to try to get new stock when I stated I needed the product.
Ok Three: The guy gave me a five minute lecture on WHY they can’t do it instead of just telling me it’s against policy.
It is hard to believe that it took someone 5 minutes to explain that. They probably simply explained why they did not have to give you a refund (that they gave you anyway). I generally like understanding why rather than hearing "it’s not our policy" Four: They have a giant sign on the storefront and a giant sign on the register saying ‘No hassles, no questions asked returns if you have a receipt’. They need to take that sign down.
Bullshit. Are you really so dense that you did not understant that the phrase "if you have a receipt" meant a receipt from *that* store and not some other? I have ZERO problem with stores that have a ‘No Returns From Other Stores’
You really expect a sign at every store saying they will not accept returned merchandise bought elsewhere? If I go to Home Depot, I do not need a sign telling me they will not accept a return of merchandise purchased at Lowes. You sound like an idiot to me. You want someone to give you money for a product bought at a competitor’s store and you want *more* money than what they sell normally charge for the product.
Four: They have a giant sign on the storefront and a giant sign on the register saying ‘No hassles, no questions asked returns if you have a receipt’. They need to take that sign down. I have ZERO problem with stores that have a ‘No Returns From Other Stores’ or even ‘No Returns Or Exchanges, Period’ as long as they have a sign up for it.
Yes, but you did not buy it at that store, (and your receipt proves it) so you have no complaint. They are a franchise so they have no obligation to the other store unless the contract specifically states so. Ed
The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there.
Wow. You sound touchy. Put yourself in HIS shoes. Some Joe Shmoe comes in, and says "Hey, I bought this can of stuff at someone else’s store, and I didn’t bother to make sure it wasn’t expired. Will you take their crap back, and give me some of YOUR money for it?" Yeah. When you look at it that way, maybe the hastle was his. steve
The word "return" means "go back." As in "go back to the store where you bought it in the first place." When you tried to bring it to someplace you didn’t buy it, you were basically asking them to buy, from you, something that you bought from a competitor across town. (And you expected them to pay you a dollar more than their regular price to boot!) That’s a pretty bizarre interpretation of the word "return." I think the store manager will breath a sigh of relief that to know that you will no longer be doing business with them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One: I was told they didn’t have an item that they did have. Two: They obviously don’t take care of their stock or there wouldn’t be 3 year old shellac on the shelves. Nor did they offer to try to get new stock when I stated I needed the product. Three: The guy gave me a five minute lecture on WHY they can’t do it instead of just telling me it’s against policy. Four: They have a giant sign on the storefront and a giant sign on the register saying ‘No hassles, no questions asked returns if you have a receipt’. They need to take that sign down. I have ZERO problem with stores that have a ‘No Returns From Other Stores’ or even ‘No Returns Or Exchanges, Period’ as long as they have a sign up for it.
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One: I was told they didn’t have an item that they did have. Two: They obviously don’t take care of their stock or there wouldn’t be 3 year old shellac on the shelves. Nor did they offer to try to get new stock when I stated I needed the product. Three: The guy gave me a five minute lecture on WHY they can’t do it instead of just telling me it’s against policy. Four: They have a giant sign on the storefront and a giant sign on the register saying ‘No hassles, no questions asked returns if you have a receipt’. They need to take that sign down. I have ZERO problem with stores that have a ‘No Returns From Other Stores’ or even ‘No Returns Or Exchanges, Period’ as long as they have a sign up for it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me make sure I understand this correctly: You wanted to return something to a store where you didn’t buy it, and not only that but you wanted them to give you more for it than they were selling it for. When they didn’t want to do so, you thought _they_ were out of line? Hello? What am I missing here? See above thread on expired shellac – it won’t dry on glass, so I brought it back. However, since I had to drive in the other direction today, I thought I’d bring it to the Ace Hardware in /that/ direction and see if they had any fresher cans. I walk into the store and there’s a HUGE sign on the front window – No Hassle Return Policy On Refunds And Exchanges – Your Reciept Proves It! Okay, no problem. So I go in and someone comes up to help me. He immediately says ‘Well you didn’t buy it HERE. We don’t even carry this, but if we did, we wouldn’t HAVE to exchange it’. An older worker comes up and says that they DO carry it, and I go over and all of those are expired too. So I ask for a refund. First he says once again, you didn’t buy it here, so we don’t HAVE to give you your money back. This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida? — jc (Remove NoSpam when replying by mail)
If you want truly hassle-free returns, buy everything at woodcraft and pay %10 – %20 more for it.
Woodcraft is mostly franchise, and will be totally franchise in the not too distant future (other than catalogue orders to headquarteres) if it isn’t already. Woodcraft corporate sets the prices, and the franchises have to honor them, regardless of the profit or lack thereof on that item. Not a bad deal for the corporation on this type of arrangement as the corporate entity gets their cut even if the franchise is losing on the transaction. Thinking about opening a franchise store in any business, do your homework first! -Doug
You only had to try once to make a return. The guy you talked to gets a hundred irate types a week, some of whom refuse to realize the validity of what he’s telling them. Think about it. Also http://www.woodfinishingsupplies.com/ sells whatever flavor you might like, and it’s good stuff. The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there. Combined, the staff must have said ‘Franchise’ about 10 times. Just say you can or can’t do it. I don’t want to hear a corporate schpiel. And the fact that the moment I showed them what I was exchanging, the first guy said ‘We don’t have that, can’t do it.’
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Why bother? Buy flakes and alcohol, make it yourself, and then you know the exact "born-on" date. Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there. Combined, the staff must have said ‘Franchise’ about 10 times. Just say you can or can’t do it. I don’t want to hear a corporate schpiel. And the fact that the moment I showed them what I was exchanging, the first guy said ‘We don’t have that, can’t do it.’ Ace is the only one to carry Bulls Eye amber shellac [Home Depot only stocks clear]. I’m going to have to go back to Lowes to check out the Parks Orange Shellac, but A) it’s a huge can that I don’t need and B) I don’t remember it having any kind of ‘manufactured on’ date when I looked at it, so I’d have no clue how old it is. No, I don’t want to mail order flakes when I only need enough to cover a 3" x 4′ surface with it. He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again.
Did you ever do business in that particular store?
He was going to refund $$ on product that you didn’t buy there, and you’re pissed over a dollar. Go figure. I’d just guess that if you added your gas to your time for you to goto the store that you actually bought the product from that you’d be miles behind the small compromise. You may want to think twice about never shopping in that store again. Based on what you’ve said here, that’s precisely the store I’d aim for. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See above thread on expired shellac – it won’t dry on glass, so I brought it back. However, since I had to drive in the other direction today, I thought I’d bring it to the Ace Hardware in /that/ direction and see if they had any fresher cans. I walk into the store and there’s a HUGE sign on the front window – No Hassle Return Policy On Refunds And Exchanges – Your Reciept Proves It! Okay, no problem. So I go in and someone comes up to help me. He immediately says ‘Well you didn’t buy it HERE. We don’t even carry this, but if we did, we wouldn’t HAVE to exchange it’. An older worker comes up and says that they DO carry it, and I go over and all of those are expired too. So I ask for a refund. First he says once again, you didn’t buy it here, so we don’t HAVE to give you your money back. This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida?
Sorta like I bought something from your brother and want you to take it back and give me my money back for it. It may be the same name but you weren’t involved in the sale because it wasn’t your business. A franchise buys from the same place another franchise does (Ace in this case). However, Ace has nothing to do with the profit and loss. Certainly he can return the product and get credit but it does require him doing something to help you out when you didn’t buy it there. On top of that, you’re complaining because he won’t give you the price you paid which was a dollar higher than he sells for. Keep in mind, even reimbursing you his cost, he is still losing money because he is only going to get credit for the amount he paid for it from Ace. That’s still money out of his pocket on top of the extra hassle to handle something you didn’t buy from him. And you think he’s not going to a hassle? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there. Combined, the staff must have said ‘Franchise’ about 10 times. Just say you can or can’t do it. I don’t want to hear a corporate schpiel. And the fact that the moment I showed them what I was exchanging, the first guy said ‘We don’t have that, can’t do it.’ Ace is the only one to carry Bulls Eye amber shellac [Home Depot only stocks clear]. I’m going to have to go back to Lowes to check out the Parks Orange Shellac, but A) it’s a huge can that I don’t need and B) I don’t remember it having any kind of ‘manufactured on’ date when I looked at it, so I’d have no clue how old it is. No, I don’t want to mail order flakes when I only need enough to cover a 3" x 4′ surface with it. He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
Yahbut, the nice thing about flakes is that they don’t expire, ever. You mix only what you need. You can buy half a pound, maybe even 4 oz, or buy a sample pack from Liberon/Star, and only mix what you have to use. The other problem with the canned stuff is that it is not dewaxed, so it has less water resistance than dewaxed flake shellac. I use the bullseye stuff occasionally, whan I’m building a bookshelf or something that won’t be the centerpiece of attention, but I much prefer mixing my own. The bullseye sealcoat is dewaxed shellac, you might try that. JE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The fact that he made it seem like an incredibly huge hassle to exchange a $4 can of shellac is what makes me refuse to go back there. Combined, the staff must have said ‘Franchise’ about 10 times. Just say you can or can’t do it. I don’t want to hear a corporate schpiel. And the fact that the moment I showed them what I was exchanging, the first guy said ‘We don’t have that, can’t do it.’ Ace is the only one to carry Bulls Eye amber shellac [Home Depot only stocks clear]. I’m going to have to go back to Lowes to check out the Parks Orange Shellac, but A) it’s a huge can that I don’t need and B) I don’t remember it having any kind of ‘manufactured on’ date when I looked at it, so I’d have no clue how old it is. No, I don’t want to mail order flakes when I only need enough to cover a 3" x 4′ surface with it. He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
Having worked in a ‘franchised’ craft store for two years, that would accept returns from other stores even if half used, and having gone through many customers myself, I don’t have much sympathy for people with little knowledge of their products or who spout company policy to save fifty cents. Major rule of retail sales. If you don’t know, find someone who works there that does. Don’t ever tell the customer ‘We don’t have it’ if you’re not sure yourself. Also, it’s easier to satisfy the customer than to lose the money for the 10 customers you lose once a dissatisfied customer leaves and tells their friends. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You only had to try once to make a return. The guy you talked to gets a hundred irate types a week, some of whom refuse to realize the validity of what he’s telling them. Think about it.
This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway.
That should answer your question right there. A franchise store does not have to accept returns on inventory purchased elsewhere. Even a chain store doesn’t have to. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida?
He was doing you a big favor by accepting your return, he had no obligation to do so, and it probably would have caused a minor glitch in the store’s accounting for inventory. I’d certainly be going back to that store, they seem to be good people in spite of their (acceptable) policy. JE
See above thread on expired shellac – it won’t dry on glass, so I brought it back. However, since I had to drive in the other direction today, I thought I’d bring it to the Ace Hardware in /that/ direction and see if they had any fresher cans. I walk into the store and there’s a HUGE sign on the front window – No Hassle Return Policy On Refunds And Exchanges – Your Reciept Proves It! Okay, no problem. So I go in and someone comes up to help me. He immediately says ‘Well you didn’t buy it HERE. We don’t even carry this, but if we did, we wouldn’t HAVE to exchange it’. An older worker comes up and says that they DO carry it, and I go over and all of those are expired too. So I ask for a refund. First he says once again, you didn’t buy it here, so we don’t HAVE to give you your money back. This is a FRANCHISE, not a CHAIN. But we’ll do it anyway. So I get to the front register and he tells me ‘Well, the price is a dollar less here. If you want your money back, we can only give you OUR price on it, not theirs’. Needless to say, I didn’t return it. Nor will I ever be doing business with that particular store ever again. But my real question is – is that even LEGAL in Florida?
Accounting Talk » Finance Accounting » Stocks Plunge: Another Greater Depression?
We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now. What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade." Well people, that is exactly what is going on now. Investors (both American and especially foreign) are losing confidence in the American economy — and there is no sign of a bottom. Some analysts are wagging (a wag is a "wild ass guess") that the market will not bottom out, until at it at least drops another 13%. And even then it may go lower until investor confidence takes hold. Call it a "rubberband effect". Well I don’t know about you, but all my money is out of the stock market right now — and I have no intention of investing one penny until I see some white collared bastard (CEO and CFO) in jail over this. Deliberate fraud was committed. Be more self-reliant now! Don’t wait. The baby-boomer generation has not experienced a depression yet — and if you look at history they are due. – If you live in an urban area you should try and get out of Dodge. A city is dangerous. Period. – Get rid of your debt. Don’t buy that new car — pay off the old one. – Start slashing expenditures. Income is taxed at 23%. Savings are realized at 100%. How is that for financial wisdom? – Start a garden. Stockpile and/or can a little extra food each week. Stored food is nothing more than savings you can eat. Live in an apartment? No problem, you can still garden. In short: there is a lot of things that you can do, and should be doing right now to make life safer for you and your family. Jason Cain www.JasonCain.com PS: Sorry. In order to post this message I had to disable the dynamic links. Please visit my website for an interactive copy — with enabled informational links.
Nonsense. Grain futures are up, but still trading at around 55% of historic highs, even not considering inflation. Wheat was selling above $7 in the mid 70’s. If you figure inflation in, you are looking at wheat over $20/bu. The grain prices were even higher, especially considering inflation, in 1918. I just grew a wheat crop in Central California. It was a pretty good crop – good yield, high quality. I lost money on it. Grain prices at historic highs? A sick joke.
Maybe it’s time to look at growing something other than grain, then. Out of curiosity, how much of the capital plant on a typical grain-farm is crop-specific?
Yes, maybe, but -above all- don’t panic and begin doing irreversible things, like fleeing to the country. Or absurd and expensive ones, like stockpiling… Capitalism is dynamic, and has its crises. That’s known since Joseph’s prophecies to the Pharaoh. It has always been the same, and things may seem de-railed now, but they will be on track again… How soon? Well, for knowing that you’d need a prophet. I’m not one, but believe a year will be enough… Regards Javier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now. What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade." Well people, that is exactly what is going on now. Investors (both American and especially foreign) are losing confidence in the American economy — and there is no sign of a bottom. Some analysts are wagging (a wag is a "wild ass guess") that the market will not bottom out, until at it at least drops another 13%. And even then it may go lower until investor confidence takes hold. Call it a "rubberband effect". Well I don’t know about you, but all my money is out of the stock market right now — and I have no intention of investing one penny until I see some white collared bastard (CEO and CFO) in jail over this. Deliberate fraud was committed. Be more self-reliant now! Don’t wait. The baby-boomer generation has not experienced a depression yet — and if you look at history they are due. – If you live in an urban area you should try and get out of Dodge. A city is dangerous. Period. – Get rid of your debt. Don’t buy that new car — pay off the old one. – Start slashing expenditures. Income is taxed at 23%. Savings are realized at 100%. How is that for financial wisdom? – Start a garden. Stockpile and/or can a little extra food each week. Stored food is nothing more than savings you can eat. Live in an apartment? No problem, you can still garden. In short: there is a lot of things that you can do, and should be doing right now to make life safer for you and your family. Jason Cain www.JasonCain.com PS: Sorry. In order to post this message I had to disable the dynamic links. Please visit my website for an interactive copy — with enabled informational links.
Sloppy prose. Historic, I meant, in the sense of in the last 2-3 years. You are correct that "historic high" properly means throughout history, rather than just in recent times. – Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, grain futures are at historic highs. Nonsense. Grain futures are up, but still trading at around 55% of historic highs, even not considering inflation. Wheat was selling above $7 in the mid 70’s. If you figure inflation in, you are looking at wheat over $20/bu. — http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now.
Hmmm…how is it there was a 25% drop in the stock market in 1987, and no recession? What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade."
That’s bullshit. But according to Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman, the "Great Depression" in the U.S. was caused by the Federal Reserve contracting the money supply by more than 30%. Not the rate of growth of the money supply; the stock itself. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well people, that is exactly what is going on now. Investors (both American and especially foreign) are losing confidence in the American economy — and there is no sign of a bottom. Some analysts are wagging (a wag is a "wild ass guess") that the market will not bottom out, until at it at least drops another 13%. And even then it may go lower until investor confidence takes hold. Call it a "rubberband effect". Well I don’t know about you, but all my money is out of the stock market right now — and I have no intention of investing one penny until I see some white collared bastard (CEO and CFO) in jail over this. Deliberate fraud was committed. Be more self-reliant now! Don’t wait. The baby-boomer generation has not experienced a depression yet — and if you look at history they are due. – If you live in an urban area you should try and get out of Dodge. A city is dangerous. Period. – Get rid of your debt. Don’t buy that new car — pay off the old one. – Start slashing expenditures. Income is taxed at 23%. Savings are realized at 100%. How is that for financial wisdom? – Start a garden. Stockpile and/or can a little extra food each week. Stored food is nothing more than savings you can eat. Live in an apartment? No problem, you can still garden. In short: there is a lot of things that you can do, and should be doing right now to make life safer for you and your family. Jason Cain www.JasonCain.com PS: Sorry. In order to post this message I had to disable the dynamic links. Please visit my website for an interactive copy — with enabled informational links.
What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade."
Which is nonsense, of course. All of that was the cause of the stock bubble, but the depression was a direct result of lunatic fiscal and monetary policies. — I am myself persuaded, on the basis of extensive study of the historical evidence, that… the severity of each of the contractions – 1920-21; 1929-33, and 1937-38 – is directly attributable to acts of commission and omission by the Reserve authorities and would not have occurred under earlier monetary and banking arrangements. – Milton Friedman
The time to buy is when everyone else is selling and no one wants to buy. The time to sell is when everyone else is buying and the market has reached a new high. This takes nerves of steel…
Well I don’t know about you, but all my money is out of the stock market right now — and I have no intention of investing one penny until I see some white collared bastard (CEO and CFO) in jail over this. Deliberate fraud was committed.
I think you are too heavily invested in the dollar. Your funds lost 8% last week, you know. Your dollars aren’t doing any better than the Dow. — http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
By the way, grain futures are at historic highs.
Nonsense. Grain futures are up, but still trading at around 55% of historic highs, even not considering inflation. Wheat was selling above $7 in the mid 70’s. If you figure inflation in, you are looking at wheat over $20/bu. — http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
I hope not,because the vast majority of our fellow Amricans are not prepared,they simply don’t beleive it can happen. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Our nation is now over six TRILLION dollars in debt and going deeper every day,caused by wild spending.This cannot go on.The economy is not recovering,layoff’s continue to grow at a unacceptable rate,oh yes,there’s always those ’service’ jobs,low pay,no benefits and no future. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
The time to buy is when everyone else is selling and no one wants to buy. The time to sell is when everyone else is buying and the market has reached a new high. This takes nerves of steel…
Quite correct. Forbes (magazine) makes the point, however, that it is best to wait until "there is blood in the streets" before you buy. One of their staff writers mentioned an individual that was out of the market of "Black Friday" (when the CRASH took place) but lost his money by jumping back in too strong and too soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
So, Jason, since you’re so sure of yourself, tell us what stocks you’re shorting to take advantage of the upcoming free fall. Just wondering. Since I haven’t shorted anything I was hoping to take a lesson from masters such as yourself. By the way, grain futures are at historic highs. Great chance to close out any long positions you might have. Speculators who are tired of making money in the stock market should look to more dynamic trading environments, like grain futures, don’t you think? Anyway, stop on over to peaceful-survivalists if you like. The group has been pretty quiet and I think (seriously) you might have a lot in common with many of them. They’re a stockpiling-oriented bunch. OTOH most of the m.s posters these days think a depression is something you can shoot at. Good luck Steve Nerstrand, MN
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now.
So, Jason, since you’re so sure of yourself, tell us what stocks you’re shorting to take advantage of the upcoming free fall. Just wondering. Since I haven’t shorted anything I was hoping to take a lesson from masters such as yourself.
If you want to short the market buying puts is a lot less risky than selling short. It costs a few dollars more but your risk is limited to the cost of the put. If you sell short your risk is only limited by how high the stock can go. — Gordon Gordon Couger Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger
We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now.
I was cruising the finance pages at Yahoo, and found a link for "Max timeframe DJIA graph" Guess what the Dow was back in the 1980s, back at the start of the graph? Around 1879. Put another way, even with the slump, the money you put into the market (if you’d bought 1 share each of the DJ stocks) back when Reagan was president would now be about 4x as much as you put in. I’m looking at this thing in the long term – I’ve got another 20-odd years until I can crack open the old 401k. If stock prices dive for the next year or two, that means more shares purchased from my payroll deduction, which means more shares to go up when the market picks up again. Not a bad deal, if you’ve got 10-20 years worth of padding to avoid worry.
Yahoo! Let the yuppies lose all their money and then THEY will be the forsaken minority! Hip hip hooray!
Steve- I am not shorting any stocks. As I said, I pulled all my money OUT of the market. There is too much risk. As far as commodities trading, I have never traded in commodities — and never will. Commodities trading is tough. It requires a lot of knowledge of that market. I am not so sure what you mean by telling me to stop over at the "peaceful-survivalist" group. I do know, that somehow my post got your PANTIES IN A BUNCH. But that is okay — just reach down and unclog your camel toe. Jason Cain www.jasoncain.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, Jason, since you’re so sure of yourself, tell us what stocks you’re shorting to take advantage of the upcoming free fall. Just wondering. Since I haven’t shorted anything I was hoping to take a lesson from masters such as yourself. By the way, grain futures are at historic highs. Great chance to close out any long positions you might have. Speculators who are tired of making money in the stock market should look to more dynamic trading environments, like grain futures, don’t you think? Anyway, stop on over to peaceful-survivalists if you like. The group has been pretty quiet and I think (seriously) you might have a lot in common with many of them. They’re a stockpiling-oriented bunch. OTOH most of the m.s posters these days think a depression is something you can shoot at. Good luck Steve Nerstrand, MN We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now.
The time to buy is when everyone else is selling and no one wants to buy. The time to sell is when everyone else is buying and the market has reached a new high. This takes nerves of steel…
Was talking to a good friend about this.. I mentioned that I should buy some WorldCom stock.. He showed me a ‘buy’ order of his.. was looking to get 10,000 shares of WorldCom for $.05/share.. didn’t get it. If he had gone to $.06 he would have. Later that week it hit $.25.. He does have other telecom stock he’s recently purchased though. Regards, Jim
We are in recession now and have been since March 2001. A recession is not defined by a one day 25% freefall of the stock market. Most people agree that a recession is: two consecutive quarters of the GDP contacting. And as I am sure you know, the drop in 1987 was attributed to automatic trading systems by brokerage houses. The systems kept selling until trading was suspended. Now there are safeguards built in to (try and) prevent what happened in 1987. Our GDP was expanding in 1987, so no one was panicked by what happened. Overall investor confidence was high. I know you would agree that the current accounting scandal, is going to severly affect investor confidence. I do understand your post though. You think that I am trying to panic people. Which is not true. I am trying to spur people to think harder at being self-reliant and cautious at THIS time. Thanks for you reply Jon. You have me reading Milton Friedman! =) Jason Cain www.jasoncain.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm…how is it there was a 25% drop in the stock market in 1987, and no recession? What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade." That’s bullshit. But according to Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman, the "Great Depression" in the U.S. was caused by the Federal Reserve contracting the money supply by more than 30%. Not the rate of growth of the money supply; the stock itself.
[...] The only stock we own is on the hoof. If the sky falls in, we can eat our stock. (I hope your paper tastes as good.) Jan
Godfather to my children is VP at Smith Barney. He has people calling his brokers complaining that two years ago their portfolio was worth 1.3 million and now it is 900,000. Telling them that five years ago it was worth 400,000 doesn’t seem to help. IT WAS A BUBBLE. Through no great planning, only dumb luck I sold my Cisco at +$120 (cost basis about $ 4) to buy my family farm back. Duh? I guess the Lord has some good plans. I’m buying like crazy right now. I’m not smart enough to know the bottom but this has got to be close.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now. What caused the Great Depression? According to an article by author Paul Alexander Gusmorino III "…the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920’s, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade."
Panic. Panic is what cause the Depression. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well people, that is exactly what is going on now. Investors (both American and especially foreign) are losing confidence in the American economy — and there is no sign of a bottom. Some analysts are wagging (a wag is a "wild ass guess") that the market will not bottom out, until at it at least drops another 13%. And even then it may go lower until investor confidence takes hold. Call it a "rubberband effect". Well I don’t know about you, but all my money is out of the stock market right now — and I have no intention of investing one penny until I see some white collared bastard (CEO and CFO) in jail over this. Deliberate fraud was committed. Be more self-reliant now! Don’t wait. The baby-boomer generation has not experienced a depression yet — and if you look at history they are due.
Very few generations in this country’s history have experienced a depression. Almost all have experienced recession, however. They lived through it. So will we. – If you live in an urban area you should try and get out of Dodge. A city is dangerous. Period.
Can we move in with you? ^_^ – Get rid of your debt. Don’t buy that new car — pay off the old one.
"Debt". What is this word "debt" of which you speak? (I’m not frugal. I’m cheap.) – Start slashing expenditures. Income is taxed at 23%. Savings are realized at 100%. How is that for financial wisdom?
Gosh, maybe we could come up with a phrase to express it more succinctly. Like, I don’t know… "A penny saved is a penny earned"? – Start a garden. Stockpile and/or can a little extra food each week. Stored food is nothing more than savings you can eat. Live in an apartment? No problem, you can still garden.
I hope no one actually thinks that you can grow food cheaper than the food industry does. Factor in the cost of water, fertilizer, your own labor, and all the miscellaneous expenses involved, and you see that the stuff you raise in your garden is actually an expense, not a savings. This does not take into account better flavor, the enjoyment and exercise you get in gardening, or the satisfaction of knowing where that carrot has been before you put it in your mouth. But from a strictly cash point of view, you can’t compete with the local supermarket. In short: there is a lot of things that you can do, and should be doing right now to make life safer for you and your family.
True. First and foremost is, not to panic. FW
The time to buy is when everyone else is selling and no one wants to buy. The time to sell is when everyone else is buying and the market has reached a new high. This takes nerves of steel…
Naw, just a realization that it’s only money. ^_^ FW. Who’s enjoying the cvurrent market meltdown, just as he’s enjoyed all the crashes in the past, because he realizes this merely makes for a better buying opportunity. Buy low, sell high, get rich: THAT’s the way you do it!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The time to buy is when everyone else is selling and no one wants to buy. The time to sell is when everyone else is buying and the market has reached a new high. This takes nerves of steel… Quite correct. Forbes (magazine) makes the point, however, that it is best to wait until "there is blood in the streets" before you buy. One of their staff writers mentioned an individual that was out of the market of "Black Friday" (when the CRASH took place) but lost his money by jumping back in too strong and too soon.
Personally, I don’t think market timing works very well. I lean towards dollar cost averaging. — Those who would trade their essential Liberty for a perceived temporary Security deserve neither Liberty nor Security. – Benjamin Franklin
We are still in a recession, and for those of you that don’t think that a depression can occur in a heartbeat, I point to the collapse of our stock market due to the dot com speculation of the late 90’s and the accounting scandals going on now.
I’m not a financial wizard. I know the rudiment of the stock market, have yet to figure out agricultural markets, but I know a little about the "accounting scandals". I recently worked as a power trader. Someone that buys electricity on the wholesale market. The more I learned about it, the more I said, "It’s a house of cards that is going to fall." and it has. The accounting scandals are about Enron, etc. Companies that jumped onto the electric deregulation bandwagon. The whole thing is just a way for more people to make more money…on paper. It’s all imaginary. Electricity cannot be stored. Short of pumping water to later power a hydro plant, it is unlike any other commodity. That is one reason why things got so out of hand. I could buy a megawatt of power for next week today, probably…um for $35 or less. If I had to buy one yesterday, at 8pm, it would have cost me…um…at least $150, or possibly much more depending on the state of the transmission grid. I have bought megawatts for as little as $11 and seen them sell for as much as $1000. Same generating plant, same transmission lines. How do you do accounting for that? What is the value of your generating capacity? If you wanted to impress your stockholders, what value would you give it? The value changes hour by hour, day by day, and the weather means everything. There are ways to manipulate the system to your advantage, especially if you own lots of power plants in critical areas. The "accounting scandals" aren’t really a huge deal in the big picture. It’s about a theory, deregulating electricity, that didn’t work out too well. I haven’t been following things too closely lately, but it will blow over and eventually it will sink in that you can’t really deregulate electricity, not totaly. Jena
Put another way, even with the slump, the money you put into the market (if you’d bought 1 share each of the DJ stocks) back when Reagan was president would now be about 4x as much as you put in.
No, the stock would be worth about 4x as much, but the money would only be worth about 40% as much. You would gain about 80% on your money over 20 years, or about 4% a year after inflation. OTOH, if you bought your stocks 5 years ago, you are well into the hole by now and it will probably take you another 20 years just to break even. Everyone has been ignoring inflation, but your dollar has still lost 25% in the last decade. — http://home.teleport.com/~larryc
Accounting Talk » Accounting » Pledge of Allegiance Delcared Illegal !
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Heya Bro :)} Pardon my snippage. Short posts are easier for aged minds. :)} I can look at this from two directions. Yep, the words "under God" sorta fly in the face of "freedom of religion" including "no religion at all". And some religions use words different from "God".
And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written.
Yep, but how do you decide WHOSE ethics, values and morals we should be under? If we’re forcing the kids to say it in school, we better have a consensus about we mean and for a guy who, when I say I feel like crap today tells me how what I’m feeling out on the BF Islands would be perfectly ok, you should get this ; ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a stray thought. SpiritQuest
x-no-archive:yes perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" well…they could always change it to say In some god(s) some trust?
Why mention it at all? I don’t invoke the gods or goddess when I make a transaction. Who is the goddess in charge of money, anyway? : ) Or….they could make a clear line of delineation between church and state, as the constitution requires.
What a concept… I think it’s arrogant for the USA to think that everyone believes in the same thing or should and tries to remind us of that belief at every turn — that spits in the face of what sets us apart from other nations.
It’s arrogant to assume we all have religion, that’s for sure and it has always been beside the point of the constitution. d
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Great post, Kc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: yes : : The ninth circuit is the most reversed federal appeals court in the nation – : My take is that some ruling judge somewhere should go in there and : completely review with them what cases they are deciding to hear and what : they are not. Surely they have more important things to do with their time : and our money. I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any oath or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course. : : Isn’t there some innocent guy in jail or something that they could be : hearing? ROFL, I’m *quite sure there are many. : : : And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as : worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next : breath, : we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". : : Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least : tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our : in detail on : the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the : foundation : of these United States. : : It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the : pre-Eisenhower : wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these : principles are *not* mere words. : : It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch : "fringe religions", : that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to : them too. : But it would be a step in the right direction. : : If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State : has become : very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to : the phrase : "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an : affirmation of : te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. : : | : | : | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional : | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. : | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest : news. : | : | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution : | : | "Amendment I : | : | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or : | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of : | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to : | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" : | : | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until : | the 50’s…… : | : | not everyone’s god is the same….. : | : | just a bit of history : — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part!
What a strange time to be reciting the pledge of allegiance! :)} SpiritQuest
And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all".
Heya Bro :)} Pardon my snippage. Short posts are easier for aged minds. :)} I can look at this from two directions. Yep, the words "under God" sorta fly in the face of "freedom of religion" including "no religion at all". And some religions use words different from "God". Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written. Just a stray thought. SpiritQuest
Nawwww … Robert Byrd talked about God on the floor of the Senate yesterday … we are talking about God and it not being in the Pledge right now … its not wrong or bad or unconstitutional for people to talk about God. What the itch is a group nazi storm trooping pledge to da Oberfurher God … or it could be a pledge to a "No God" as well … that would be equally as misplaced and unconstitutional. Its the Governement working as whole, making the nazi trip of a Country under Vishnu or Under No God or Under Satan My Uncle is whats the problem. This is the correct fact of the matter … The pledge addition of that God thingy since 1952 is wrong, is unconstitutional and done by popular vote just like they burned the Constitution or tossed American Japanese people in USA gulags on December 8th 1941. Or making Slavery legal by Supreme Court vote … or making Bush President by Supreme Court vote and not the Electors doing it – it was wrong, illegal, unconstitutional and bad. The 136,000 ’spoiled votes’ where people wrote in pen or pencil ‘Al Gore’ cause they knew their voting machine was busted, and they wanted their vote to be clear … when they held it up to the light to see what was written on them. These 136K votes were NEVER counted, on the first count – on the second count – all the way through the sixthe count and till today – these voters have not been counted and their legal and constitutional voted taken note of as provided by law. Simply cuase time ran out – ha. Toss Bush outta office – he is not the President. We will have a much better country with out the Slave State Christian Republicans like Korish, Jones or Robertson to do all this to the USA. Slave State Corporations seem to be a big problem these days ya notice. Slave State Republcians have assassinated every President the USA had. They got quite a resume these Slave State Christians just like Bush is a believer and making for the Last Trumpet one nation under GOD that kills and makes babies with his virgin daughters. sumbuddie not making it up. Does that mean that the Declaration of Independence is also unconstitutional? And what about the US Constitution?
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Please pay attention to the Constitution saying "no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof (religion). so Robert Byrd can talk about God all he wants as you and I can – and we do all the time. That is not unconstitutional … the itch is when I (as a governemnt employee) make Dragon Lady or Liz or Kaitlyn or Azure or Tiderider sit down with me – stand up with me and make them pray to MY GOD who dont fuck around, is not a hypocrite or makes junk. That just would be so abusive – coercisive and misplaced for me to force and make them do this by public toxic shaming or toxic shunning, killfileing, deleting and ignoring … as they are not beleivers like ME. You want to pray to God in school – then go to Jonestown or Waco or the 700 Club and pay for it yourself – dont use tax payers money for your GOD trip – I dont use your taxpayers voucher money for my GOD trip. Its only fair – ya think ??? sumbuddie said dis :*) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history
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And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)} depends on who would have been the assigned helpers. the Archangel Frank would have done a quick and economical job, however the demoness Hildybel would have scrapped and redone it six times. and given us protuberant
fins. Yeah, but then we’d have been in her image! Dragon
message following: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. You know, this is something I just don’t understand. Pledging allegiance, in one form or another, has been around for longer than most of the religions that exist today. It is *not* the same thing as worshiping, even when directed at a flag, which is nothing other than a representation of a country. Unless you worship this country (I sure as hell don’t), pledging allegiance to the flag, with or without the phrase "under God", is hardly worship. It’s a pledge of loyalty, and nothing more.
I was wondering if anyone would catch that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dragon
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| | x-no-archive:yes | | | perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… | | "In God We Trust" | | well…they could always change it to say | | In some god(s) some trust? | | Why mention it at all? I don’t invoke the gods or goddess when I make a | transaction. Who is the goddess in charge of money, anyway? : ) Well, I’ve often heard phrases like "Goddamned rip off!" during transactions involving money. Currency bearing religious sentiments is certainly another area in which those who wish a closer joining between (their) religion and the government have been able to gain a foothold. Still, there is at least some difference between a few more words on already verbose and symbol-laden currency, and actually pressuring children to take a daily oath containing religiously biased phrasing. And you don’t think there’s pressure? Ask any kid who has tried skipping that phrase whether they were permitted to do so without being challenged by teachers and/or classmates. You’d think it could pass unnoticed, but you can be sure it doesn’t. | Or….they could make a clear line of delineation between church and | state, as the constitution requires. | | What a concept… | | I think it’s arrogant for the USA to think that everyone believes in | the same thing or should and tries to remind us of that belief at | every turn — that spits in the face of what sets us apart from other | nations. | | It’s arrogant to assume we all have religion, that’s for sure and it has | always been beside the point of the constitution. Hmmm. Beside the point? I’d say in direct opposition to the point. | d | | l
following: perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" If the court ruling is to be considered a law, wouldn’t that seem to contravene the part about making no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Sorta somehow kinda seems to be what it’s trying not to be.
It doesn’t say the courts will not make laws about religion. It says Congress can’t. DRagon
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Heya Bro :)} Pardon my snippage. Short posts are easier for aged minds. :)} I can look at this from two directions. Yep, the words "under God" sorta fly in the face of "freedom of religion" including "no religion at all". And some religions use words different from "God". And some use ‘Goddess’ : )
Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)} Still, the concept, if the words were different, of "*under* God", is one that feels good to this old fellow. I like the idea, if we expressed it differently, that there exists a set of either ethics or morals that lies "above" our laws that should guide the lawmakers, and that there are things not in the law that should be honored as much as that which is written. Yep, but how do you decide WHOSE ethics, values and morals we should be under?
Mine. If we’re forcing the kids to say it in school, we better have a consensus about we mean and for a guy who, when I say I feel like crap today tells me how what I’m feeling out on the BF Islands would be perfectly ok, you should get this ; )
I understand *everything*. I’m just not telling anyone til I get donuts. SpiritQuest here
And some use ‘Goddess’ : ) Impossible. God created the world in under a week. Rearranging the oceans and color-coordinating the trees would have taken a month :)}
depends on who would have been the assigned helpers. the Archangel Frank would have done a quick and economical job, however the demoness Hildybel would have scrapped and redone it six times. and given us protuberant fins. azure
It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction.
You know, this is something I just don’t understand. Pledging allegiance, in one form or another, has been around for longer than most of the religions that exist today. It is *not* the same thing as worshiping, even when directed at a flag, which is nothing other than a representation of a country. Unless you worship this country (I sure as hell don’t), pledging allegiance to the flag, with or without the phrase "under God", is hardly worship. It’s a pledge of loyalty, and nothing more. Dragon
X-No-Archive: yes I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court.
I agree. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any
oath You got a card??? How’d you do that? I want my card! *pout* *LOL* or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course.
Yes, including the rights of the very people who are are objecting to this to object. Personally, I’d rather have to put up with the KKK demonstrating against blacks (as long as they don’t do anything that *is* illegal) than give up the right to demonstrate against the KKK – which is just as much a possibility, once those rights start being eroded. Dragon
In some god(s) some trust?
on the usa currency – sure – its more accurate and reflects current day accounting practices mandated by federal law and funded by Bush since he is the administrator working the tax payers money as provided by law … that isn’t. Kenny Boy is not in jail and Bush is going after the bad guys now. Not then – but now its time to do something. President No Know is whipping out his Presidental Powers and saving us. Isn’t that sweet. sumbuddie all verklempt … :*) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
the following: YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part! What a strange time to be reciting the pledge of allegiance! :)}
Maybe she’s of English ancestry, since they very often yell something about Queen and country… while American women… they come close to God… or they’re close to God when they do… or thank God they can or did… or something along those lines… it’s hard to tell which is which and what is what with all that flailing about, yelling, and screaming… not to mention the occasional bone crushing head vise bit. Don’t get me wrong though… that had vise bit ain’t all that bad… it only lasts a few seconds… then the sweet black serenity of unconsciousness comes to one’s rescue… sides that, ain’t no fetching that warm washcloth when you’re out cold. Thank God for the small perks, huh. SpiritQuest
You’ve just *got* to get out more, son! Broadin one’s Horizen, doncha know.
following: perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust"
If the court ruling is to be considered a law, wouldn’t that seem to contravene the part about making no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? Sorta somehow kinda seems to be what it’s trying not to be.
following: X-No-Archive: yes Well my take on it is that they consistently go for hearing things that are full of controversy rather than things that would normally take up the time of a federal appeals court.
That’s an odd thing to say in my opinion, since, lacking any controversy, they wouldn’t be hearing a case to begin with. It is, after all, an appeals court. Although this case may have significance for some – I don’t argue with that – it cannot be the most vital type of thing before them.
I guess it depends on your definition of vital. How many other cases have they heard in which their decision made global front page headlines? But, it is newsworthy isn’t it? We now know the names and histories of the judges involved. Jaded old me tends to think that may have been a solid consideration in them deciding to hear the case. Just my take on it. And a question? How does a federal appeals court judge get noticed enough to be appointed to a court further up the line?
By dissenting with any such decision as this recent one. How does a judge ensure the end of any chance of progressing in his career? By handing down an opinion such as these two judges did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : The ninth circuit is the most reversed federal appeals court in the nation – : My take is that some ruling judge somewhere should go in there and : completely review with them what cases they are deciding to hear and what : they are not. Surely they have more important things to do with their time : and our money. I think every cause has the right to be reviewed. It’s part of what makes our country what it is. For every issue that arises, there are people standing in the "pro" line, and people standing in the "against" line. Everyone has a right to their day in court. As a card carrying Christian, I have *no problem with "God" being in any oath or pledge of allegiance.. However, I don’t feel religion, no religion, etc should be pushed on anyone. While people may not like having the phrase removed, it falls under the same reasoning that the NAACP defends the right of the KKK to demonstrate. If you take away the rights of one, you’ve taken away the rights of all. IMO, of course. : : Isn’t there some innocent guy in jail or something that they could be : hearing? ROFL, I’m *quite sure there are many. : : : And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as : worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next : breath, : we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". : : Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least : tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our : in detail on : the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the : foundation : of these United States. : : It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the : pre-Eisenhower : wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these : principles are *not* mere words. : : It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch : "fringe religions", : that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to : them too. : But it would be a step in the right direction. : : If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State : has become : very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to : the phrase : "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an : affirmation of : te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. : : | : | : | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional : | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. : | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the lat est : news. : | : | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution : | : | "Amendment I : | : | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or : | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of : | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to : | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" : | : | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until : | the 50’s…… : | : | not everyone’s god is the same….. : | : | just a bit of history
YEA!!!! About fucking time, too! I *never say that part! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history
And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our in detail on the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the foundation of these United States. It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the pre-Eisenhower wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these principles are *not* mere words. It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State has become very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to the phrase "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an affirmation of te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear.
| | | – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional | because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. | Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. | | the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution | | "Amendment I | | Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or | prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of | speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to | assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" | | the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until | the 50’s…… | | not everyone’s god is the same….. | | just a bit of history |
perhaps we should destroy our currency as well… "In God We Trust" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And not everyone believes in a god; their beliefs are supposedly just as worthy of protection as everyone else’s. After all, in the very next breath, we say "with Liberty and Justice for all". Not "most", or "the majority". Liberty for all means respect, or at least tolerance, for all religious beliefs, and the fact that that is laid our in detail on the *First* Amendment stresses how important a principle it is to the foundation of these United States. It would be a very simple thing, would it not, to return to the pre- Eisenhower wording that omits mention of God, to show by positive acrion that these principles are *not* mere words. It would not be perfect; there are religions, and not by any stretch "fringe religions", that forbid worship of symbols. Pledging to a flag raises some issues to them too. But it would be a step in the right direction. If there were ever an indication that the line separating Church and State has become very blurry, it is shown in how so many people mistake the objection to the phrase "under God" in this pledge for a lack of patriotism. If anything, it’s an affirmation of te strong principles of freedom we Americans claim to hold dear. – Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news. the following pretty much says it all…..from the Constitution "Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" the "under god" part of the Pledge of Allegiance wasn’t added until the 50’s…… not everyone’s god is the same….. just a bit of history
— Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.
Does that mean that the Declaration of Independence is also unconstitutional? And what about the US Constitution?
yaaa and the slave state republicans that gave us Korish, Jones and Robertson also gives us a 5-4 selection of a President instead of an election as the Constitution calls for … now the fight is over GOD. The Senators and the Represenatives will shout from the halls of Congress about GOD, how to save GOD, how to be with GOD, and have GOD in Congress. These Slave State Republcians gave us Enron so Enron could select the president – this takes money. Money is free speach – and money is now God and something to trust – not Arthur Anderson. For the people who read me – I told you guys that from Enron would be 27 Corporations like K-mart – Tyco – Global Crossing – not MCI-Worldcom is going bust – they are only about 17 more compaies to ball on the stockmarket. And all the while the LAWYER for Tyco – made a Board of Directors approval for a $10 Million Bonus if the lawyer in his 1 year tenure of making money for Tyco – if the Lawyer gets nailed on criminal charges for doing his job – they pay him off as soon as the charges are filed. Now why isnt information on the stock market for future loss charges on the stocks for the balance sheet and prosepctus instead of a bunch of Ashcroft HYPE. Honest HYPE of course – just sorry we have to admitt that we lied – since we are being honest about lying now. IF only Bush had know how EVIL ken Lay was – this would have never happened. Its not easy having such a dummy for a President … since this is not a political scandal – its an industry scandal … since they were just following the law the Republcians and the Slave State Christians put into place for their war on Liberals who are going to hell anyway. Waiting for the Last Trumphet to be proved right after they blow it all up. Thinking it will get them to heaven. sumbuddie not making dis up :*) — Federal appeals court rules Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because of words ‘under God,’ according to The Associated Press. Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.
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Yep, I dunno who they thinks going to pony up to visit Hendrix grave site AFTER his remains are moved. I wouldn’t but then again I never saw the point to stuff like that. — Golden Bear
SHANKLEMAN London Observer Service Rock god Jimi Hendrix is to be disinterred and reburied in a new mausoleum under a fund-raising scheme to "look great with your rock ‘n’ roll memorabilia." For $250, you can have a CD-shaped piece of granite from the block used to make the mausoleum,
My first reaction to this is "huh, this is a very well done troll". My second reaction is "ok, would you please stop this ride? I want to get off now please, thank you…." Chip "Yet Another Sign of the Apocalypse" McDonald ]]] "Try to be reasonable whenever possible" ]]] http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/chip.htm ]]] I teach guitar – check out http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/lessons.htm ]]] Musician, voracious reader, overly contemplative thinker, punching bag for fate. ]]] "People think I’m in my own world; that’s ok, they know me there" – J. Hodgson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -of Known Space) writes: SHANKLEMAN London Observer Service Rock god Jimi Hendrix is to be disinterred and reburied in a new mausoleum under a fund-raising scheme to "look great with your rock ‘n’ roll memorabilia." For $250, you can have a CD-shaped piece of granite from the block used to make the mausoleum, My first reaction to this is "huh, this is a very well done troll". My second reaction is "ok, would you please stop this ride? I want to get off now please, thank you…."
Unfortunately its true. I though how Alan Douglas handled things was bad, but this is absolutely shameful. Daniel Chip "Yet Another Sign of the Apocalypse" McDonald ]]] "Try to be reasonable whenever possible" ]]] http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/chip.htm ]]] I teach guitar – check out
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punching bag for fate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -]]] "People think I’m in my own world; that’s ok, they know me there" – J. Hodgson
Go to Barnes and Nobles site. www.bn.com Look up Hendrixs’ new Live at Woodstock album(Woodstock Live?). Look at the credits…who played what. There was another guitarist AND a percussion player with Jimi at Woodstock. Edited out. Just like that. I love Jimi but you are right. There is this need to milk every little thing out of his corpse. (Larry Lee on guitar and Juma Sultan on percussion). E Leesa E * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
as Jimis’ dad,Al Hendrix, is now 80 Jimis’ step-sister who hardly knew him controls the estate. See http://archives.seattletimes.com/cgi-bin/texis.mummy/web/ vortex/display?storyID=37ec987a3a&query=hendrix * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
my 2 cents: i have serious problems with jimi’s sister, who has almost no musical knowledge, deciding what is appropriate for jimi. i can’t really explain it but it seems as if the whole "experience hendrix" mantra is fake, and trying to hard to either replicate what was once great or just make some fuckin cash. either way it just pisses me off. it feels like his family is trying to take credit for his accomplishments… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – as Jimis’ dad,Al Hendrix, is now 80 Jimis’ step-sister who hardly knew him controls the estate. See http://archives.seattletimes.com/cgi-bin/texis.mummy/web/ vortex/display?storyID=37ec987a3a&query=hendrix * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous. Amen!!!!!
Ironically, according to a Seattle newspaper published in about 1990, Jimi Hendrix has already BEEN raised and moved due to vandalism at his gravesite. Sorry, folks. According to local lore, the headstone that you see now isn’t where he’s at, and he’s already been moved once. And if it were me, I’d say dig me up, glue my ol’ bones together, stick a bandana on my head (after painting my entire skeleton purple) and put me at the Hall of Fame or the Smithsonian or something. This is a rock star we’re talking about, not grandpa Simpson. -gatt Chris Gattman "The sky is humming and my motor thunders…" -Floater
if they do go ahead and do this memorial thing they should at least donate 60% of all funds generated to a music related charity or something like that. something that would help other people besides just making the hendrix family rich
They could, but everybody’s forgetting that it IS Jimi Hendrix’ family we’re talking about and they’re entitled to do pretty much anything they want, and nobody else really has much say in the matter. -gatt Chris Gattman "The sky is humming and my motor thunders…" -Floater
I read somewhere a few years ago that Jimi’s estate generates four million dollars a year in profit from all the licensing and record royalties. A friend of mine was Jimi’s father’s physician, who told him his accountants all but forced him to buy a huge house to put Jimi’s stuff in. In those days, apparently you just walked up to the door and knocked and he’d come answer and give you a tour. His name was "Al" I think. I read an article years later about all the people fighting for a piece and Paul Allen trying to buy the whole shootin’ match. Wouldn’t surprise me if a committee of some sort voted for this.
if they do go ahead and do this memorial thing they should at least donate 60% of all funds generated to a music related charity or something like that. something that would help other people besides just making the hendrix family rich
I live in Seattle, been to his grave site… There was an article in a recent Sunday Seattle Times about this, but I don’t remember them talking about selling the rocks. I’m also outraged about this. I’m probably a "geezer" on this list (41 y.o.), but I can remember hearing his music when he was alive. I started playing guitar because of Jimi. I have a vintage Strat and a 2204 Marshall, because I liked his tone. I don’t mind a memorial, but LEAVE JIMI WHERE HE IS. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody seen any mention of this anywhere other than in newsgroups? It sounds like a typical Usenet BS hoax to me. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. Well what the fuck…so change the gravestone, I mean hell lets not tear the man from the ground to put him on display. The man did that during his lifetime and I’m sure this is not something he would have wanted. Perhaps a memorial site could be erected, as mentioned by another poster, and I agree EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous.
Has anybody seen any mention of this anywhere other than in newsgroups?
Well, the article was in the Observer this Sunday. You can *usually* trust them with getting their facts straight. Adrian — "It’s an adult game out there. What’s wrong with a bit of industrial language in the workplace?" – Paul Gascoigne
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gorblimey at 7:17 AM: Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. Well what the fuck…so change the gravestone, I mean hell lets not tear the man from the ground to put him on display. The man did that during his lifetime and I’m sure this is not something he would have wanted. Perhaps a memorial site could be erected, as mentioned by another poster, and I agree EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous.
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It’s not usenet BS. I read a little bit about it in the Seattle news. -Bret – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody seen any mention of this anywhere other than in newsgroups? It sounds like a typical Usenet BS hoax to me. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. Well what the fuck…so change the gravestone, I mean hell lets not tear the man from the ground to put him on display. The man did that during his lifetime and I’m sure this is not something he would have wanted. Perhaps a memorial site could be erected, as mentioned by another poster, and I agree EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous.
FAMILY OF JIMI HENDRIX SELLS OUT
I believe this statement is old news, considering that his music is currently being used to sell Camaros. of the family said: "The time has come to give Jimi the respect he deserves." Fans making a donation will have their names inscribed on tiles around the edge of the tomb.
Q. What’s yellow and lives off dead beetles? A. Yoko Ono Q. What’s brown and lives off the dead brother she really didn’t know? A. Janie Hendrix bearing Hendrix’s "authentic’ autograph." And for an unspecified sum companies and individuals will be able to buy space around the memorial in an exclusive "Founder’s Circle."
This stone brought to you by…. Firestone Tires. – good rubber whether you’re alive or dead. commemorative site is needed. His step-sister Janie, who controls their Experience Hendrix organization, claims they are responding to public demand. "We’ve listened to the cries of the fans," she said, announcing the
Yup, I guess she finally got my email, CRYING out for commercial sponsorship of Jimi’s gravesite. Hmmm…. wonder what her percentage is. granite pillars supporting a domed roof. Under this will be a life-size statue of Hendrix playing at his most famous gig, the 1969 Woodstock festival. Kathy Etchingham, Hendrix’s British girlfriend at the time of his death, is incredulous.
…especially because they are going to encase her in stone right next to him and no one has offered to pay her for it. "How many fans would demand that Jimi’s bones were dug up?"
Only the ones who are of the opinion that Kurt Cobain shot him. (and JFK) names attached all around on tiles they’re selling? "Jimi always said people would eventually wrap him up in cellophane and sell him, and he was right."
Poor guy.. little did he know it would be his own alleged family. I have nothing against Al Hendrix (his father) getting a little something, but this is off the wall. "The next thing they’ll be putting his remains in a glass case, and taking him out on tour again."
Do you think Marshall would put him on tour with some reissue Plexis? Or maybe a signature series? That Slash sig amp sold really well. Support for the scheme, however, came from the cemetery management. It believes the mausoleum will raise the number of visiting fans from the current level of around 14,000 a year. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. "It ’s just simple,"
Err…. he IS dead. There IS a stone. inscription that says ‘Forever in our Hearts.’ And fans come and say, ‘Is this it?’ There’s a kind of fan feeling that, boy, he deserves better." None
I am unaware that the only person who matters, Jimi himself, has complained about the arrangement.
Has anybody seen any mention of this anywhere other than in newsgroups? It sounds like a typical Usenet BS hoax to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. Well what the fuck…so change the gravestone, I mean hell lets not tear the man from the ground to put him on display. The man did that during his lifetime and I’m sure this is not something he would have wanted. Perhaps a memorial site could be erected, as mentioned by another poster, and I agree EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FAMILY OF JIMI HENDRIX SELLS OUT Scripps Howard News Service By MARTIN SHANKLEMAN London Observer Service Rock god Jimi Hendrix is to be disinterred and reburied in a new mausoleum under a fund-raising scheme proposed by his family. Unveiling plans for a Hendrix memorial, one member of the family said: "The time has come to give Jimi the respect he deserves." Fans making a donation will have their names inscribed on tiles around the edge of the tomb. For $25, they can buy a stone unearthed during the ground-breaking ceremony at the new memorial. Packaged in purple and gold, the stones are described in official literature as "simple, but cool" to "look great with your rock ‘n’ roll memorabilia." For $250, you can have a CD-shaped piece of granite from the block used to make the mausoleum, bearing Hendrix’s "authentic’ autograph." And for an unspecified sum companies and individuals will be able to buy space around the memorial in an exclusive "Founder’s Circle." The organizers hope record companies will subscribe. Friends and former members of the Jimi Hendrix Experience have attacked the project as crass and vulgar. "This is the most awful thing I’ve ever heard," said Noel Redding, the British bass player from the group. "Why don’t they just leave the man alone?" Redding, who attended the guitarist’s funeral in Seattle in 1970, urged fans to have nothing to do with the scheme. For the past 29 years Hendrix’s remains have lain undisturbed beneath a modest stone in Greenwood cemetery, next to his grandmother, after he choked to death following a drug overdose in London at the age of 27. But his family, which has run his estate since 1995, feels that a grander commemorative site is needed. His step-sister Janie, who controls their Experience Hendrix organization, claims they are responding to public demand. "We’ve listened to the cries of the fans," she said, announcing the proposal to build the 27-foot high stone and bronze memorial, with nine granite pillars supporting a domed roof. Under this will be a life-size statue of Hendrix playing at his most famous gig, the 1969 Woodstock festival. Kathy Etchingham, Hendrix’s British girlfriend at the time of his death, is incredulous. "How many fans would demand that Jimi’s bones were dug up?" she asked "How many would send a request to the family that his bones be disinterred and moved into some vulgar monolith with strangers’ names attached all around on tiles they’re selling? "Jimi always said people would eventually wrap him up in cellophane and sell him, and he was right." "If the family really cared for him, they would leave him alone," she added. "The next thing they’ll be putting his remains in a glass case, and taking him out on tour again." Support for the scheme, however, came from the cemetery management. It believes the mausoleum will raise the number of visiting fans from the current level of around 14,000 a year. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. "It ’s just simple," she said. "All it has is his name and a guitar, and an inscription that says ‘Forever in our Hearts.’ And fans come and say, ‘Is this it?’ There’s a kind of fan feeling that, boy, he deserves better." None of that is likely to placate fans who have bombarded the Internet with objections. One demanded a human wall of supporters to prevent the reburial. The mausoleum scheme has confirmed the fears of many, which began when the Hendrix family licensed an official Jimi golf ball and a Hendrix wine. please write these folks and tell em this just is not right… the show is over and its time for jimi to rest…. "Iam trying jimi"….. http://www.jimi-hendrix.com information hyschip .
Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone.
Well what the fuck…so change the gravestone, I mean hell lets not tear the man from the ground to put him on display. The man did that during his lifetime and I’m sure this is not something he would have wanted. Perhaps a memorial site could be erected, as mentioned by another poster, and I agree EL would be the perfect place. But this raise the dead and move him concept is ridiculous.
Hi, Digging up Hendrix’s body does seem inappropriate, but a memorial somewhere he did something great might be a decent compromise for the people running the estate. Why not something on a plinth at Woodstock, or Monterey, or near Electric Ladyland in NY (where it would get by far the most visitors). The plans outlined in the article in alt.guitar seem tacky in the extreme, but having seen the Elvis Presley Laundromat in Memphis I can honstly say I am not surprised. I hope your protest succeeds. Pete Gay. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FAMILY OF JIMI HENDRIX SELLS OUT Scripps Howard News Service By MARTIN SHANKLEMAN London Observer Service Rock god Jimi Hendrix is to be disinterred and reburied in a new mausoleum under a fund-raising scheme proposed by his family. Unveiling plans for a Hendrix memorial, one member of the family said: "The time has come to give Jimi the respect he deserves." Fans making a donation will have their names inscribed on tiles around the edge of the tomb. For $25, they can buy a stone unearthed during the ground-breaking ceremony at the new memorial. Packaged in purple and gold, the stones are described in official literature as "simple, but cool" to "look great with your rock ‘n’ roll memorabilia." For $250, you can have a CD-shaped piece of granite from the block used to make the mausoleum, bearing Hendrix’s "authentic’ autograph." And for an unspecified sum companies and individuals will be able to buy space around the memorial in an exclusive "Founder’s Circle." The organizers hope record companies will subscribe. Friends and former members of the Jimi Hendrix Experience have attacked the project as crass and vulgar. "This is the most awful thing I’ve ever heard," said Noel Redding, the British bass player from the group. "Why don’t they just leave the man alone?" Redding, who attended the guitarist’s funeral in Seattle in 1970, urged fans to have nothing to do with the scheme. For the past 29 years Hendrix’s remains have lain undisturbed beneath a modest stone in Greenwood cemetery, next to his grandmother, after he choked to death following a drug overdose in London at the age of 27. But his family, which has run his estate since 1995, feels that a grander commemorative site is needed. His step-sister Janie, who controls their Experience Hendrix organization, claims they are responding to public demand. "We’ve listened to the cries of the fans," she said, announcing the proposal to build the 27-foot high stone and bronze memorial, with nine granite pillars supporting a domed roof. Under this will be a life-size statue of Hendrix playing at his most famous gig, the 1969 Woodstock festival. Kathy Etchingham, Hendrix’s British girlfriend at the time of his death, is incredulous. "How many fans would demand that Jimi’s bones were dug up?" she asked "How many would send a request to the family that his bones be disinterred and moved into some vulgar monolith with strangers’ names attached all around on tiles they’re selling? "Jimi always said people would eventually wrap him up in cellophane and sell him, and he was right." "If the family really cared for him, they would leave him alone," she added. "The next thing they’ll be putting his remains in a glass case, and taking him out on tour again." Support for the scheme, however, came from the cemetery management. It believes the mausoleum will raise the number of visiting fans from the current level of around 14,000 a year. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. "It ’s just simple," she said. "All it has is his name and a guitar, and an inscription that says ‘Forever in our Hearts.’ And fans come and say, ‘Is this it?’ There’s a kind of fan feeling that, boy, he deserves better." None of that is likely to placate fans who have bombarded the Internet with objections. One demanded a human wall of supporters to prevent the reburial. The mausoleum scheme has confirmed the fears of many, which began when the Hendrix family licensed an official Jimi golf ball and a Hendrix wine. please write these folks and tell em this just is not right… the show is over and its time for jimi to rest…. "Iam trying jimi"….. http://www.jimi-hendrix.com information hyschip .
FAMILY OF JIMI HENDRIX SELLS OUT Scripps Howard News Service By MARTIN SHANKLEMAN London Observer Service Rock god Jimi Hendrix is to be disinterred and reburied in a new mausoleum under a fund-raising scheme proposed by his family. Unveiling plans for a Hendrix memorial, one member of the family said: "The time has come to give Jimi the respect he deserves." Fans making a donation will have their names inscribed on tiles around the edge of the tomb. For $25, they can buy a stone unearthed during the ground-breaking ceremony at the new memorial. Packaged in purple and gold, the stones are described in official literature as "simple, but cool" to "look great with your rock ‘n’ roll memorabilia." For $250, you can have a CD-shaped piece of granite from the block used to make the mausoleum, bearing Hendrix’s "authentic’ autograph." And for an unspecified sum companies and individuals will be able to buy space around the memorial in an exclusive "Founder’s Circle." The organizers hope record companies will subscribe. Friends and former members of the Jimi Hendrix Experience have attacked the project as crass and vulgar. "This is the most awful thing I’ve ever heard," said Noel Redding, the British bass player from the group. "Why don’t they just leave the man alone?" Redding, who attended the guitarist’s funeral in Seattle in 1970, urged fans to have nothing to do with the scheme. For the past 29 years Hendrix’s remains have lain undisturbed beneath a modest stone in Greenwood cemetery, next to his grandmother, after he choked to death following a drug overdose in London at the age of 27. But his family, which has run his estate since 1995, feels that a grander commemorative site is needed. His step-sister Janie, who controls their Experience Hendrix organization, claims they are responding to public demand. "We’ve listened to the cries of the fans," she said, announcing the proposal to build the 27-foot high stone and bronze memorial, with nine granite pillars supporting a domed roof. Under this will be a life-size statue of Hendrix playing at his most famous gig, the 1969 Woodstock festival. Kathy Etchingham, Hendrix’s British girlfriend at the time of his death, is incredulous. "How many fans would demand that Jimi’s bones were dug up?" she asked "How many would send a request to the family that his bones be disinterred and moved into some vulgar monolith with strangers’ names attached all around on tiles they’re selling? "Jimi always said people would eventually wrap him up in cellophane and sell him, and he was right." "If the family really cared for him, they would leave him alone," she added. "The next thing they’ll be putting his remains in a glass case, and taking him out on tour again." Support for the scheme, however, came from the cemetery management. It believes the mausoleum will raise the number of visiting fans from the current level of around 14,000 a year. Spokeswoman Laura Woolman said a number were disappointed by the present gravestone. "It ’s just simple," she said. "All it has is his name and a guitar, and an inscription that says ‘Forever in our Hearts.’ And fans come and say, ‘Is this it?’ There’s a kind of fan feeling that, boy, he deserves better." None of that is likely to placate fans who have bombarded the Internet with objections. One demanded a human wall of supporters to prevent the reburial. The mausoleum scheme has confirmed the fears of many, which began when the Hendrix family licensed an official Jimi golf ball and a Hendrix wine. please write these folks and tell em this just is not right… the show is over and its time for jimi to rest…. "Iam trying jimi"….. http://www.jimi-hendrix.com information hyschip .
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I am Accounting Director for a management company of multiple medical practices. We are currently using Macola Progression 7.0 accounting software and are in the process of evaluating other packages for a possible conversion in the near future. We have looked at Great Plains and Soloman software and are interested in any information that current users of these or any other packages can give us. We would be interested in knowing of particular favorable attributes or problems, and general satisfaction with the products. We are looking for information on the general ledger and accounts payable modules in particular. Thanks in advance for your help…..
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