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Anybody out there who could help with setting up a household accounting system.  What accounts would be in Assets, in Liabilities, in Equities.  What about Balance Sheets, and Income Statement, and the Cash Flow Statement (very important).  Also bear in mind, as is the case in most families, that many of us are not accountants.  This is simply an attempt to get the administration of the family finances on a good footing.

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quicken perfect for that

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there who could help with setting up a household accounting system.  What accounts would be in Assets, in Liabilities, in Equities.  What about Balance Sheets, and Income Statement, and the Cash Flow Statement (very important).  Also bear in mind, as is the case in most families, that many of us are not accountants.  This is simply an attempt to get the administration of the family finances on a good footing.

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It would be an unusual family that really needs a complete "accounting system" with the same financial statements as a business. You probably just need "household financial management" or "personal financial" software.  Quicken is one of the most popular, but there are others.  The experienced accountants in the family will have to adjust to using the term "account" to refer to ONLY a bank account or investment account, and the term "category" instead of "account" for all other purposes, but otherwise Quicken will probably give you everything you need – including advice and instruction about what "categories" to set up. Forget about a "Cash Flow Statement", that’s a report that can only be understood by an accountant and applies only to businesses.  Quicken will give you reports that are appropriate and useful for a family. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody out there who could help with setting up a household accounting system.  What accounts would be in Assets, in Liabilities, in Equities.  What about Balance Sheets, and Income Statement, and the Cash Flow Statement (very important).  Also bear in mind, as is the case in most families, that many of us are not accountants.  This is simply an attempt to get the administration of the family finances on a good footing.

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Thank you for all the input. I use money 2003, and was just wondering if there is not anything else less daunting on the market. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It would be an unusual family that really needs a complete "accounting system" with the same financial statements as a business. You probably just need "household financial management" or "personal financial" software.  Quicken is one of the most popular, but there are others.  The experienced accountants in the family will have to adjust to using the term "account" to refer to ONLY a bank account or investment account, and the term "category" instead of "account" for all other purposes, but otherwise Quicken will probably give you everything you need – including advice and instruction about what "categories" to set up. Forget about a "Cash Flow Statement", that’s a report that can only be understood by an accountant and applies only to businesses.  Quicken will give you reports that are appropriate and useful for a family. Anybody out there who could help with setting up a household accounting system.  What accounts would be in Assets, in Liabilities, in Equities.  What about Balance Sheets, and Income Statement, and the Cash Flow Statement (very important).  Also bear in mind, as is the case in most families, that many of us are not accountants.  This is simply an attempt to get the administration of the family finances on a good footing.

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Just finishing up OE in intermediate II. Quasi reorganization sounds very interesting. Of course my text omitted it in the new ed., but my instructor thought it important to learn. I am wondering if any of you have been involved with quasi reorganization? Janice

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  Just finishing up OE in intermediate II. Quasi reorganization sounds very interesting. Of course my text omitted it in the new ed., but my instructor thought it important to learn. I am wondering if any of you have been involved with quasi reorganization?   Janice   I’ve been involved with lots of reorganizations but none of them were described as "quasi"

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The old text used the term quasi (from the Latin sort of) to describe the way in which the controller or new head accountant would bring a company’s negative RE to 0 by reassigning values to all or almost all assets and then using the contributed capital portion of the OE (in particular which ever APIC was appropriate). By the by, this is in very general terms. I am well aware of the fact that things are not this easy. ) For a laugh, my instructor tells us that we never want to get mixed up with APIC because there is a room just for APIC, buckets and buckets of different types, and once you go in you’ll never come out clean because it sticks to you. Janice   I’ve been involved with lots of reorganizations but none of them were described as "quasi"

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Why are we posting in HTML to USENET? YES he is correct about APIC.   My company has APIC from common stock sold or issued for services or whatnot, APIC from detachable warrants sold with mandatorily redeemable preferred stock, APIC from beneficial conversion option on a convertible note payable, etc, etc.  To date we have not posted a profit so I don’t have to deal with the diluted EPS on all of these things (fortunately or unfortunately depending on your perspective). We just sold common stock + warrants and at this point I am unsure if we allocate the proceeds in part to the warrants issued in these transactions. I have looked in my accounting text and it discusses only the debt/preferred stock + warrants situation. The quasi-reorg, I dunno what to tell you.  Maybe if you plugged the term into google you will see some financials of a company that has done it. Essentially it is a way to permit the co to pay dividends, as I understand it.  The accumulated deficit wipes out. That is the point of the quasi-reorganization.

The old text used the term quasi (from the Latin sort of) to describe the way in which the controller or new head accountant would bring a company’s negative RE to 0 by reassigning values to all or almost all assets and then using the contributed capital portion of the OE (in particular which ever APIC was appropriate). By the by, this is in very general terms. I am well aware of the fact that things are not this easy. ) For a laugh, my instructor tells us that we never want to get mixed up with APIC because there is a room just for APIC, buckets and buckets of different types, and once you go in you’ll never come out clean because it sticks to you. Janice

I’ve been involved with lots of reorganizations but none of them were described as "quasi"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why are we posting in HTML to USENET? //snipped// O/T Are you speaking French or do you have a frog on your keyboard? <grin Because they can.  If you use HTML enabled browsers, you see the HTML a lot.  If you use them in  text mode, no HTML. I use Agent from Fortec for mail and newsgroups…I worry less about viruses and have no worries about HTML.

Yes, the age-old response – "get a real newsreader!" I have heard that one before.  Maybe someday.

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"None" <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in message news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch… > My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and > while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now > I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there > tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who > referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least.

Yep, I who will die a virgin feel the deepest sympathy with your plight.

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>I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the >perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex >with someone.

  Are you kidding? Gays with AIDS spread their disease to other non-infected gays all the time…you must be extremely loving of your fellow humans..most people these days are only about their own pleasure and couldn’t give a damn about the health and lives of others.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -None <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in message <news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch>… > My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and > while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now > I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there > tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who > referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least. > I’m not particularly scaried that the test would turn out positive but > if it did, I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the > perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex > with someone. Fortunately, I have plenty of benzos left to get me over > the next few days if required. > After having crash my RAID 1 system drive last night I tried to figure > out how to rebuild the sucker (I even have a totally identical drive at > hand, still it somehow says it didn’t suceed after copying like 99.999% > of all data but at least I had a chance to copy all important data > (like my 1GB email archive and all accounting stuff) off and burn to CD. > Also bought a DVD+/-RW burner today as they got really cheap these days. > Am planning to continue renovating my flat in the next days as soon as > the weather gets colder (which is supposed to be tomorrow) but maybe > I’ll put this off (tho just smoothing isn’t all too dangerous if it > werent for standing on a ladder) if I have to take too many benzos until > the result of the test is here.

i thought you were a virgin?

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In article <3f4e4…@news.swissonline.ch>, None says… >My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and >while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now >I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there >tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who >referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least.

I went through the testing for a year. HIV/HepB&C,every kind of STD test, it was so horrible. I always feared that I would come up positive. It feels so good when you find out you aren’t. {zoe} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not particularly scaried that the test would turn out positive but >if it did, I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the >perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex >with someone. Fortunately, I have plenty of benzos left to get me over >the next few days if required. >After having crash my RAID 1 system drive last night I tried to figure >out how to rebuild the sucker (I even have a totally identical drive at >hand, still it somehow says it didn’t suceed after copying like 99.999% >of all data but at least I had a chance to copy all important data >(like my 1GB email archive and all accounting stuff) off and burn to CD. >Also bought a DVD+/-RW burner today as they got really cheap these days. >Am planning to continue renovating my flat in the next days as soon as >the weather gets colder (which is supposed to be tomorrow) but maybe >I’ll put this off (tho just smoothing isn’t all too dangerous if it >werent for standing on a ladder) if I have to take too many benzos until >the result of the test is here.

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None <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in message <news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch>… > I’m not particularly scaried that the test would turn out positive but > if it did, I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the > perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex > with someone.

LOL … Sorry, not to belittle your anxiety, but I find this funny. Unless you’re  a heroin addict, how the hell would you have possibly gotten HIV if you’re a virgin?

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None <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in message <news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch>… > My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and > while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now > I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there > tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who > referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least.

Have your testosterone and thyroid checked, as well. Symptoms of depression can be caused by problems with them. KC

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"Burrito Poderoso" <mightyburr…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:3e25c8c2.0308281527.437f0733@posting.google.com… > None <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in

message <news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch>… > > I’m not particularly scaried that the test would turn out positive but > > if it did, I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the > > perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex > > with someone. > LOL … Sorry, not to belittle your anxiety, but I find this funny. > Unless you’re  a heroin addict, how the hell would you have possibly > gotten HIV if you’re a virgin?

But he isn’t a virgin.

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KC Carter wrote: > None <i-dont-want-to-receive-any-ma…@swissonline.ch> wrote in message <news:3f4e42fc@news.swissonline.ch>… >>My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and >>while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now >>I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there >>tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who >>referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least. > Have your testosterone and thyroid checked, as well. Symptoms of > depression can be caused by problems with them.

I asked my shrink about it and he said while it ain’t very expensive, there’s little value in it as testosterone levels (say that cute assisstant takes your blood can fluctuate very frequently and little is known about "normal" levels.

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>LOL … Sorry, not to belittle your anxiety, but I find this funny. >Unless you’re  a heroin addict, how the hell would you have possibly >gotten HIV if you’re a virgin?

ummmmm if one is a virgin and has HIV, they probably 1. Got it by birth 2. Got it by blood transfusion/ sharing needles (eg. syringe, tattoo needle) 3. Got it from lollipop/pussy     One can have a small cut in mouth and cum entered mouth (dont ask me how ;D ) one can catch HIV.   I had an HIV test few years ago. As part of US Green card application, I had to take a medical exam(HIV test) and bunch of shots. This is when you want your results to be negative

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DudeNEPhx1971 wrote: >>LOL … Sorry, not to belittle your anxiety, but I find this funny. >>Unless you’re  a heroin addict, how the hell would you have possibly >>gotten HIV if you’re a virgin? > ummmmm if one is a virgin and has HIV, they probably > 1. Got it by birth > 2. Got it by blood transfusion/ sharing needles (eg. syringe, tattoo needle) > 3. Got it from lollipop/pussy >     One can have a small cut in mouth and cum entered mouth (dont ask me how ;D > ) one can catch HIV.

Seeing that I’d have died by now if I had gotten it by birth, dont have tatoos and don’t use needles and seeing that I’m not a virgin, there are other reasons for doing so. Fuckin durex crap.

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My shrink sent me with a whole list of blood work to do to my GP and while we’re at it, I decided to take that long overdue HIV test but now I’m getting a bit nervous, little bit anxious even as I need to go there tomorrow. Now I’ve known my GP for a long time, he was the one who referred me to my current shrink so this isn’t about shyness in the least. I’m not particularly scaried that the test would turn out positive but if it did, I’d commit suicide in the near future as I couldn’t bear the perspective of living a life denied of the possibility of having sex with someone. Fortunately, I have plenty of benzos left to get me over the next few days if required. After having crash my RAID 1 system drive last night I tried to figure out how to rebuild the sucker (I even have a totally identical drive at hand, still it somehow says it didn’t suceed after copying like 99.999% of all data but at least I had a chance to copy all important data (like my 1GB email archive and all accounting stuff) off and burn to CD. Also bought a DVD+/-RW burner today as they got really cheap these days. Am planning to continue renovating my flat in the next days as soon as the weather gets colder (which is supposed to be tomorrow) but maybe I’ll put this off (tho just smoothing isn’t all too dangerous if it werent for standing on a ladder) if I have to take too many benzos until the result of the test is here.

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:59:01 GMT, "Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote: >I am concerned that we are showing rogue states that the UN is a joke and >not to be taken seriously, after all why should they, nothing happens when a >rouge state flips the bird at them other than a new resolution.

EXACTLY! Martin Aquinas Borders…Language…Culture…QUICK! Islam is not a religion of peace Islam has not been spread like the preaching of the Bible Islam is involved in 20 of 22 wars today Islam [much of it] is currently preaching hatred and terrorism against Christians Islam must undergo a reformation, as it is not compatable with the western nation state, or be asked to leave Support the troops!

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> Hi Robin, > I’m curious as to why you’re so keen to point out that the US didn’t write > the resolution. They certainly had the biggest influence, and I would > consider it a US product, endorsed by Tony blair, but toned down slightly > by others in the UN.  The following reminds us what was going on at the > time. > Cheers > Tony >    UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 6 (UPI) — The U.N. Security Council Wednesday > began considering the revised U.S. draft resolution that, if approved in a > vote anticipated by week’s end, would declare Iraq in continuing "material > breach" of previous measures and warn Baghdad of "serious consequences" — > the diplomatic term for use of force — if it fails to cooperate with > weapons inspectors

If the US had done what it wanted to(as reported in our local news) we would have already commenced actions. Going to the UN was a compromise to make it more palatable for the liberal left and to give them a chance to capitalize politically on any moves the president might make. Again (not worth looking up references for this point) the UN resolution was haggled over, rewritten, and negotiated, and rewritten, and haggled over to appease Russia, France and Germany to get it to pass. Since the document is only 8 pages long I feel that by the time it has had that much scrutiny it no longer matters who punched the keys to generate it. It is a product of all of the filtering and processing that preceded it. I have never seen a poorer piece of writing in my life. Considering the supposed intellect of the persons involved in the drafting/haggling of it, it should be stellar. I agree with many of your points Tony, just not to the degree that you do. I also disagree with you on the main thrust as we have discussed before. I am concerned that we are showing rogue states that the UN is a joke and not to be taken seriously, after all why should they, nothing happens when a rouge state flips the bird at them other than a new resolution. Perhaps in this new resolution we should put "Hey we really mean it this time" After having read several other resolutions from their web site I fear it is even more so likely to be a joke and paper waster for its drafting’s. Just my thoughts. Robin

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"Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote in news:pMJ6a.254907$HN5.1097984@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net: > I agree with many of your points Tony, just not to the > degree that you do. I also disagree with you on the main thrust as we > have discussed before.

Yes. I think we agree only on the little things. On the big things, we’re poles apart. May God guide those with the power to do what’s right. Tony (Not that I think he will intervene in the slightest!)

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"Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote in news:fHz6a.250831$vm2.192596@rwcrnsc54: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> You (or the US Govt) need to spell those exact limits out in advance >> to the accused so that he knows how to comply. Otherwise it looks to >> the accused and the rest of the world like you’re setting him up to >> lose. >> It is not acceptable to leave it open ended.  He needs to know what >> is considered enough. > Again remember this was written by the UN not the US. > Why do they have to do it? > If you want me to set the limits I would be happy to but no one will > listen to me so why bother >> > They say Iraq IS in breech. Reading back the cease fire was based >> > on NOT being in breach. How is one to reconcile the two?? >> Imo it is a shoddy piece of legislation. I suspect that that is the >> way international stuff of this type is,  and maybe its got like that >> because it is never written with enforcement in mind. > I agree with that but it is all we have to work with right now. >> > This did not happen until when Tony?? >> What was your deadline? What did you say in advance that you’d do if >> he didn’t meet that deadline.  If you write shoddy legislation, it >> can’t be enforced. > It was supposed to happen in a time frame that was defined in the > resolution but I do not remember when it was. Did not happen though. >> You can’t have a law "drink too much and you’ll be in trouble" >>  you have to specify the exact blood alcohol level, and the exact >> sentence, and you need to have clear unambiguous guidance on >> sentencing and how different circs effect the sentence.  You can’t >> ‘play it by ear’.  You have to provide a clear unambiguous message to >> the accused. > I agree again. But you can have a law that says if you are drunkthen > you are in trouble if doing…… >> > How do we reconcile the points that matter? >> You can’t because the legislation is poorly drafted. > On purpose I suppose too. But the US did not write it and I beleive > that has something to do with it since we wanted to go in rather than > draft it. Right or wrong I think it was a stalling attempt to allow > more time to disuade the USA from delivering an ass wuppin >> But where exactly is the line? > Good question!…… but I doubt it is prior to missing Anthrax, > Missing Botulism (sp), and missing missles. >> What about  steel tubes that could be used either as drain pipes, or >> fitted with a lid at both ends and filled with powder? >> It just wont do. > Salt and eggs until we account for the above items I mentioned >> A war cannot be used as punishment for an inadequate accounting >> system. >> Morally, if you think he is hiding wmd, you have to provide the proof >> of guilt, not the other way around. > No… He agreed to show us and account for all items not play hide the > weapons and see if you can find them.. Now we will hear people poo poo > away his missles he did not account for and was not supposed to have. > But hey it was only a couple dozen and they did not go very far beyond > the limit he agreed to. >> There just isn’t a moral argument for war. >> There is an economic argument – which I disagree with, but at least >> there’s a case to answer. > Well Tony it seems we a way way apart on this issue. I strongly > disagree with you. I do not feel we will ever agree on this, but > respect your (wrong )opinion and am glad to know you here. > be well > Robin

Hi Robin, I’m curious as to why you’re so keen to point out that the US didn’t write the resolution. They certainly had the biggest influence, and I would consider it a US product, endorsed by Tony blair, but toned down slightly by others in the UN.  The following reminds us what was going on at the time. Cheers Tony    UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 6 (UPI) — The U.N. Security Council Wednesday began considering the revised U.S. draft resolution that, if approved in a vote anticipated by week’s end, would declare Iraq in continuing "material breach" of previous measures and warn Baghdad of "serious consequences" — the diplomatic term for use of force — if it fails to cooperate with weapons inspectors

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote in message <news:jiM5a.195870$2H6.3156@sccrnsc04>… > "Tonyjeffs" <iraq[remove]@tonyjeffs.com> wrote in message > news:Xns93295AEC7BE44iraqremovetonyjeffsc@62.253.162.104… > >It is impossible to comply in an undisputable manner with article 3: > >What is meant by ‘related material’ for example? > >Uranium ore? Certainly.  But activated carbon? Apparently so! > >What about  Sodium Fluorids?   ok.  Water then?  Essential as a cooling > >agent in some cases.  Have they included details of all water held in Iraq? > I agree to a point BUT. I think we could at least forget about accounting > for the salt, that was on the eggs, that was eaten, by the person during > breakfast, that went to work that day, and turned on the switch, that > allowed power to flow, to the plant, that makes WMD 150 miles down the road. > Perhaps accounting for the Anthrax, Botulism (sp) and things of that nature > would be a good start.

You (or the US Govt) need to spell those exact limits out in advance to the accused so that he knows how to comply. Otherwise it looks to the accused and the rest of the world like you’re setting him up to lose. It is not acceptable to leave it open ended.  He needs to know what is considered enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >2) What does ‘Serious Consequences’ mean?  In a legal document, a key term > >like this should be defined. > I agree again. the US wanted it to say ass wuppin. But Germany and France > and Russia wanted it to be ambiguous so they had another chance to save Iraq > from an ass wuppin. > From 1441 > Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, > 1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its > obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in > particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations > inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under > paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991); > They say Iraq IS in breech. Reading back the cease fire was based on NOT > being in breach. How is one to reconcile the two??

Imo it is a shoddy piece of legislation. I suspect that that is the way international stuff of this type is,  and maybe its got like that because it is never written with enforcement in mind. > Paragraph 7 (excerpt) says > UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of > fixed and rotary winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned > reconnaissance vehicles: > This did not happen until when Tony??

What was your deadline? What did you say in advance that you’d do if he didn’t meet that deadline.  If you write shoddy legislation, it can’t be enforced. You can’t have a law "drink too much and you’ll be in trouble"  you have to specify the exact blood alcohol level, and the exact sentence, and you need to have clear unambiguous guidance on sentencing and how different circs effect the sentence.  You can’t ‘play it by ear’.  You have to provide a clear unambiguous message to the accused. > So even though I understand your point. I think mine is valid as well. > How do we reconcile the points that matter?

You can’t because the legislation is poorly drafted. I think we can give up > accounting for the salt on the egg

But where exactly is the line? but I would still like to know about the > WMD

What about  steel tubes that could be used either as drain pipes, or fitted with a lid at both ends and filled with powder? It just wont do. A war cannot be used as punishment for an inadequate accounting system. Morally, if you think he is hiding wmd, you have to provide the proof of guilt, not the other way around. There just isn’t a moral argument for war. There is an economic argument – which I disagree with, but at least there’s a case to answer. Have a good weekend yourself too. Cheers Tony

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> You (or the US Govt) need to spell those exact limits out in advance > to the accused so that he knows how to comply. Otherwise it looks to > the accused and the rest of the world like you’re setting him up to > lose. > It is not acceptable to leave it open ended.  He needs to know what is > considered enough.

Again remember this was written by the UN not the US. Why do they have to do it? If you want me to set the limits I would be happy to but no one will listen to me so why bother > > They say Iraq IS in breech. Reading back the cease fire was based on NOT > > being in breach. How is one to reconcile the two?? > Imo it is a shoddy piece of legislation. I suspect that that is the > way international stuff of this type is,  and maybe its got like that > because it is never written with enforcement in mind.

I agree with that but it is all we have to work with right now. > > This did not happen until when Tony?? > What was your deadline? What did you say in advance that you’d do if > he didn’t meet that deadline.  If you write shoddy legislation, it > can’t be enforced.

It was supposed to happen in a time frame that was defined in the resolution but I do not remember when it was. Did not happen though. > You can’t have a law "drink too much and you’ll be in trouble" >  you have to specify the exact blood alcohol level, and the exact > sentence, and you need to have clear unambiguous guidance on > sentencing and how different circs effect the sentence.  You can’t > ‘play it by ear’.  You have to provide a clear unambiguous message to > the accused.

I agree again. But you can have a law that says if you are drunkthen you are in trouble if doing…… > > How do we reconcile the points that matter? > You can’t because the legislation is poorly drafted.

On purpose I suppose too. But the US did not write it and I beleive that has something to do with it since we wanted to go in rather than draft it. Right or wrong I think it was a stalling attempt to allow more time to disuade the USA from delivering an ass wuppin > But where exactly is the line?

Good question!…… but I doubt it is prior to missing Anthrax, Missing Botulism (sp), and missing missles. > What about  steel tubes that could be used either as drain pipes, or > fitted with a lid at both ends and filled with powder? > It just wont do.

Salt and eggs until we account for the above items I mentioned > A war cannot be used as punishment for an inadequate accounting > system. > Morally, if you think he is hiding wmd, you have to provide the proof > of guilt, not the other way around.

No… He agreed to show us and account for all items not play hide the weapons and see if you can find them.. Now we will hear people poo poo away his missles he did not account for and was not supposed to have. But hey it was only a couple dozen and they did not go very far beyond the limit he agreed to. > There just isn’t a moral argument for war. > There is an economic argument – which I disagree with, but at least > there’s a case to answer.

Well Tony it seems we a way way apart on this issue. I strongly disagree with you. I do not feel we will ever agree on this, but respect your (wrong )opinion and am glad to know you here. be well Robin

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news:Xns93295AEC7BE44iraqremovetonyjeffsc@62.253.162.104… > "Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote in > news:v_15a.186542$HN5.815092@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net: > > A drunk is driving down the road and a police officer pulls him over. > > Since he has not hurt anyone what is the moral obligation to arrest > > him. Perhaps the police should only act after there has been damage. > Drunk driving is illegal. > If he fails a breath test, and isn’t a fellow police officer, they should > charge him and convict him

Got the joke Tony;-) I am replying to another post I do not feel like searching for ………O.K. nervermind I found it from your post >It is impossible to comply in an undisputable manner with article 3: >What is meant by ‘related material’ for example? >Uranium ore? Certainly.  But activated carbon? Apparently so! >What about  Sodium Fluorids?   ok.  Water then?  Essential as a cooling >agent in some cases.  Have they included details of all water held in Iraq?

I agree to a point BUT. I think we could at least forget about accounting for the salt, that was on the eggs, that was eaten, by the person during breakfast, that went to work that day, and turned on the switch, that allowed power to flow, to the plant, that makes WMD 150 miles down the road. Perhaps accounting for the Anthrax, Botulism (sp) and things of that nature would be a good start. >2) What does ‘Serious Consequences’ mean?  In a legal document, a key term >like this should be defined.

I agree again. the US wanted it to say ass wuppin. But Germany and France and Russia wanted it to be ambiguous so they had another chance to save Iraq from an ass wuppin. From 1441 Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, 1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991); They say Iraq IS in breech. Reading back the cease fire was based on NOT being in breach. How is one to reconcile the two?? Paragraph 7 (excerpt) says UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed and rotary winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles: This did not happen until when Tony?? So even though I understand your point. I think mine is valid as well. How do we reconcile the points that matter? I think we can give up accounting for the salt on the egg but I would still like to know about the WMD Robin Have a nice weekend

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"Robin" <rpatrickjm[remove]@attbi.com> wrote in news:v_15a.186542$HN5.815092@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net: > A drunk is driving down the road and a police officer pulls him over. > Since he has not hurt anyone what is the moral obligation to arrest > him. Perhaps the police should only act after there has been damage.

Drunk driving is illegal. If he fails a breath test, and isn’t a fellow police officer, they should charge him and convict him Tony (li’l joke in there!)

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So back to my question. What is ambiguous in this resolution that the US did NOT write? Hmmmmm I am asking about the UN resolution here fcuk off. Can you answer the question?   "fcuk.off" <fcuk….@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:5I75a.1031$J77.85033@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net…     "Robin" wrote:     >A drunk is driving down the road and a police officer pulls him over. Since     >he has not hurt anyone what is the moral obligation to arrest him. Perhaps     >the police should only act after there has been damage     Ahhh…. I see it now.  The USA and UK are going to Iraq to arrest all the drunks..     >Do you get a flu shot? If so why, you do not have the flu.     A good idea to inject all Iraqis too.     >PREVENT/PREPARE/INSULATE. I am sure you have heard, "An ounce of prevention     >is worth a pound of cure"     What exactly are you preventing, and how come you can invade another country with no proof that anything needs preventing?       >So back to my question. What is ambiguous in this resolution that the US did     >NOT write? Hmmmmm     Bush has never been ambigous, just a plain old cowboy warmonger!     Blair has said if Saddam disarmed today or tomorrow, he could stay in power – some confusion around methinks! .

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Tone wrote in the past:: > I’m sure we’ve all read it. > The USA made it ambiguous.

That’s the point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tony the US *Did not write it*. This resolution is only 8 pages long, including the preamble. I would submit that most people have NOT read it. I did not until right before my posting this topic as I expected that is was rather lengthy and wordy too. I was simply going by the news media and talk shows as to the content. I read it and it is crystal clear to me what Iraq is expected to do. What part of it do you find ambiguous? > Bottom line is there is no evidence that Iraq is a real threat to the > US or the UK.

What does that have to do with anything, assuming for a second it is true. What part of the resolution do you find ambiguous? A drunk is driving down the road and a police officer pulls him over. Since he has not hurt anyone what is the moral obligation to arrest him. Perhaps the police should only act after there has been damage. Do you get a flu shot? If so why, you do not have the flu. Do you buy auto insurance. Homeowners insurance. Why PREVENT/PREPARE/INSULATE. I am sure you have heard, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" So back to my question. What is ambiguous in this resolution that the US did NOT write? Hmmmmm Robin

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  >A drunk is driving down the road and a police officer pulls him over. Since   >he has not hurt anyone what is the moral obligation to arrest him. Perhaps   >the police should only act after there has been damage   Ahhh…. I see it now.  The USA and UK are going to Iraq to arrest all the drunks..   >Do you get a flu shot? If so why, you do not have the flu.   A good idea to inject all Iraqis too.   >PREVENT/PREPARE/INSULATE. I am sure you have heard, "An ounce of prevention   >is worth a pound of cure"   What exactly are you preventing, and how come you can invade another country with no proof that anything needs preventing?     >So back to my question. What is ambiguous in this resolution that the US did   >NOT write? Hmmmmm   Bush has never been ambigous, just a plain old cowboy warmonger!   Blair has said if Saddam disarmed today or tomorrow, he could stay in power – some confusion around methinks! .

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Please, any one knows sites that give us information of the accounting history?

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lease, any one knows sites that give us information of the accounting :history? http://journals.tandf.co.uk/journals/routledge/09585206.html http://www.altavista.com/ http://www.google.com/    All the best, Timo — Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa Acc. Journals Links  http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/opas/jott/jottjour.html

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I have a few questions regarding this. Aren’t you only required to tax items sold in the same state? I live in Michigan. As a business (which I am not) wouldn’t I only be required to collect tax on sales made to others from Michigan? Also, in the simplest form, what is the easiest and quickest way to go about registering a business. I am looking to resell a few different types of sunglasses. Probably bringing in only a couple hundred dollars a month. Would it be in my best interests to register myself as a business? And if so, what’s the easiest way to go about this. Thanks for any advice. Mark

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I have a few questions regarding this. Aren’t you only required to tax items sold in the same state? I live in Michigan. As a business (which I am not) wouldn’t I only be required to collect tax on sales made to others from Michigan?

This question is about sales tax, and generally speaking, the answer is yes.  You only have to collect sales tax on sales to the state where you’re located.  Your out-of-state customers may be required to pay "use tax" to their state, but that’s their problem, not yours. But you have to pay income tax on all your profit, of course. Also, in the simplest form, what is the easiest and quickest way to go about registering a business.

From the IRS’ point of view, you don’t have to "register" a business unless you have employees.  Just report the income & associated expenses on the appropriate form.  IIRC, it’s Schedule C. Your state & local governments almost certainly have their own requirements, which I couldn’t even begin to guess at.  I wouldn’t be surprised if they had a brochure that would tell you exactly what you need to know.  You might give them a call and see if they can send you one.  Or check and see if they have a web site with the information on it. I am looking to resell a few different types of sunglasses. Probably bringing in only a couple hundred dollars a month. Would it be in my best interests to register myself as a business?

I’d say it would be in your best interests. -Mark-

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Well look at it this way, if she bought the old magazines with the intention of reselling them for a profit, and after everything was said and done, lost money, if she was a business she could deduct the business loss.  It cuts both ways. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know… after testing the water and liking it, I dove in (and paid the necessary taxes).  I just think that the IRS’s definition of a "business" is too far reaching if Donna is considered a business owner or proprietor simply because she bought some old magazines and sold them. The thing is, the IRS doesn’t care if you were "testing the water", when you buy inventory and sell it for a profit, you are a business, and you pay taxes on the profit.  If you do it more than a few times a year, in most states you are required to collect sales tax.  Whether or not you paid sales tax when you purchased the item is often irrelevant. We aren’t talking about a huge tax bite if you make very little money, but just like a teenager that baby sits in the evenings, the government is going to take it’s cut. Richard Ward Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business. I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not. Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used.  Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

As long as you were only selling things from around the house, you were definately NOT a business, according to the IRS.  They’re not interested in your cost recovery activities. But one of the things the IRS looks for is if you purchase things specifically to resell at a profit… – Dan. — – South Jersey, USA, Earth  <http://www.crosswinds.net/~darmok – Billions of people walking around – like Happy Meals with legs.

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However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well.

When you did that you became a business, at least in the eyes of the good old IRS.   Don’t worry, they got better things to do than little Ebayers. Who knows, maybe you will be the next Barnes and Noble. John

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Ask your local taxing authority (what they call it varies from state to state).  You can’t be required to collect taxes on sales to a state where you do not have a place of business, but this is based on several US Supreme Court decisions.  How far your state goes up to the limit of these decisions will vary from state to state, most will go as far as the law will allow, but not all. What form of business you should operate as will vary from state to state and with your personal situation.  Ask an accountant.  You can get answers on this type of question VERY cheaply, most accountants look at this type of advice as a promotional kind of thing to get more lucrative business later, and charge very little, often $50 or so for a consultation. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a few questions regarding this. Aren’t you only required to tax items sold in the same state? I live in Michigan. As a business (which I am not) wouldn’t I only be required to collect tax on sales made to others from Michigan? Also, in the simplest form, what is the easiest and quickest way to go about registering a business. I am looking to resell a few different types of sunglasses. Probably bringing in only a couple hundred dollars a month. Would it be in my best interests to register myself as a business? And if so, what’s the easiest way to go about this. Thanks for any advice. Mark

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If you decide you are a business, think about the issue of a business licence, too. As long as your business has no local impact (no customers coming to your house, no stream of noxious waste flowing out of the yard) you may not want to bother. Your local authorities will be displeased, though, in the unlikely event that they find out. I’m not aware of any cases where federal or state taxing authorities shared information about who reports business income with local authorities. But it could happen. In my own city, the government once issued RFPs intended to solicit bids from local businesses that might not be licensed, and checked the bids against their records. Some cities are fairly friendly to small-scale home businesses. Some are not. Depending on where you live, you may be faced with a stiff minimum tax, or even a law that flatly forbids you to run a business out of your home. Such laws are rarely enforced, but always enforceable. – - Jonathan Sachs Send email to jonathan at dnai dot com.

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As my wife runs a home business (nothing to do with Ebay) she asked our CPA while he was doing our taxes if the money we "made" from a garage sale had to be turned in as income;  He asked if we sold anything in the garage sale for more money than what we bought it for, of course the answer was no. He told us that it didn’t count as income unless any of the items sold were from my wife’s business, which they weren’t, and if so we could take a "loss" from the sale and lower our adjusted income. I do agree though, if you buy something  and sell it at a profit you "according to IRS" must report it as income. In the other area of if you are a business all depends on your state and local laws which in regards to Ebay will be about as clear as mud.  Most local governments if asked concerning Ebay would tell you that you need a business license to sell items but I do not know (To my knowledge, you don’t need a license to participate in a flea auction, but most areas require a permit to conduct a garage sale) I would think the definition and classification as a business should really depend on your intent as a casual seller or like some of the big guns on Ebay; as a way of living.  (I bet there are a lot of fulltime sellers who don’t have business licenses or report income to uncle Sam).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used.  Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used.  Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Depends on what state you live in and how much you’re grossing a year.  The practical definition is that if you are actively purchasing goods in order to re-sell, or if you are regularly spending a significant amount of time plying your skills for money, then you are definitely a business. I would say that you weren’t a business up to the point where you went to the bookstore and started buying goods with the intention of re-selling. Welcome to the wonderful business of online auction selling.  Hope you’ve got plenty of space on the ‘ol credit cards.  :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used.  Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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I will claim this as a business the day I can say "hey! I can quit my day job!" That day won’t come soon enough….the way I feel some days but it sure isn’t now! — -SEC "Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read!" – Groucho Marx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business.  I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not. Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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The thing is, the IRS doesn’t care if you were "testing the water", when you buy inventory and sell it for a profit, you are a business, and you pay taxes on the profit.  If you do it more than a few times a year, in most states you are required to collect sales tax.  Whether or not you paid sales tax when you purchased the item is often irrelevant. We aren’t talking about a huge tax bite if you make very little money, but just like a teenager that baby sits in the evenings, the government is going to take it’s cut. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business.  I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not. Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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I know… after testing the water and liking it, I dove in (and paid the necessary taxes).  I just think that the IRS’s definition of a "business" is too far reaching if Donna is considered a business owner or proprietor simply because she bought some old magazines and sold them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The thing is, the IRS doesn’t care if you were "testing the water", when you buy inventory and sell it for a profit, you are a business, and you pay taxes on the profit.  If you do it more than a few times a year, in most states you are required to collect sales tax.  Whether or not you paid sales tax when you purchased the item is often irrelevant. We aren’t talking about a huge tax bite if you make very little money, but just like a teenager that baby sits in the evenings, the government is going to take it’s cut. Richard Ward Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business. I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not. Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Unfortunately, the issue really isn’t when you decide to call yourself a business, it’s when the IRS and whatever state agency in your state that collects sales tax decides to call you a business, and their definitions are generally far more liberal than the one you are using. Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will claim this as a business the day I can say "hey! I can quit my day job!" That day won’t come soon enough….the way I feel some days but it sure isn’t now! — -SEC "Outside of a dog, a book is man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read!" – Groucho Marx Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business.  I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not. Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used.  Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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Something is very wrong with this world if someone "testing the water" or playfull making a buck here or there is considered running a business.  I know boundries for income generating activity need to be defined, but even acquiring some items with the intent to sell (sounds like a crime, doesn’t it?), in this case, hardly qualifies this person as a business (in my estimation). I remember when I started.  I too was eliminating clutter that had accumulated over several of my relocations.  Okay, online garage sale kind of thing, you know?  But I enjoyed doing this and I "tested the water" by purchasing some PC hardware that I found at a obscenely low price.  I bought this as a test case to see if it was reasonable to consider doing this as a possible alternate source of pocket money.  If it worked, great; if it didn’t, that was great too.  At this point I feel I was in the same position as the original poster.  Did I think I was a business?  Of course not.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Short answer, yes.  The IRS would consider you to be a business.  (You bought inventory for resale, and sold it at a profit.  No gray area here.  This is taxable income.)  State rules will vary from state to state, but under Texas law, you would be a business, and required to collect sales tax.  (Under Texas law, you are required to collect sales tax unless your sales are classed as an occasional sale, which generally means no more than four times a year, though each sale can last for several days, don’t recall exactly how many.  The criteria used here will vary wildly from state to state, but you’d be considered a business and required to collect sales tax in the majority of US jurisdictions.) Richard Ward Wonderful group here – I have a question.  I started eBaying well over a year ago. First item I sold was some computer hardware I no longer used. Then I decided to clean the garage and started selling magazines  that my husband had accumulated since the 60s.  Then I got the brilliant idea to sell ads from the magazines. Then I searched every nook and cranny in the house and started selling stuff I no longer used. I’m slowly selling off all my books too. But I guess I never thought of myself as a business.   Am I?  I am not exactly getting rich as the listing fees add up – I only sell maybe 1 item in 5 – and the average price is $2.99.  However, recently I went to a book store and bought a bunch of books on clearance and some of them have sold quite well. Some my husband did "read" first.  So – am I a business?!!  DonnaB

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See Interpretation of AU Section 508, Reports on Audited Financial Statements. This interpretation allows this change in wording. Generally done in reports on financial statements prepared in conformity with accounting principles established in the US that may be disseminated beyond US borders. Bill MacDonald

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See Interpretation of AU Section 508, Reports on Audited Financial Statements. This interpretation allows this change in wording. Generally done in reports on financial statements prepared in conformity with accounting principles established in the US that may be disseminated beyond US borders. Bill MacDonald

Bill, Thanks for the reference, it gave me exactly what I needed when I did a search at www.aicpa.org on section 508. knid Before you buy.

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Any guess as to why they would change this phrasology?  Does it mean something specific and different from GAAP?

The question really is, "What is GAAP?" and why should the GAAP doctrines and classifications from the NY establishment be required under pain of imprisonment by every small business CPA in the US? Over the years, we shared the accounting apparatus with other reporting dimensions such as departments, subsidiaries, etc. by compound account codes (segments in the chart of accounts)   Actually those codes belong as independent attributes in the transaction table.  Just as every line in a GL has one and only one account code, it should also have other codes. There are a number of important dimensions for classfication of transactions of a business, that are MORE IMPORTANT THAN GAAP, including  1. ACTIVITY: Business purpose or activity, e.g. deliverable product or service.     This goes to the core of business management: what are we doing, why are we     doing it, and did we make money or lose money on this exercise.  GAAP     has been clued into this for 30 years, i.e. segment reporting but IMO     GAAP doesn’t go nearly far enough, or nearly as far as businesses actually     go in the real world, with this type of reporting!     It is not always easy to achieve activity coding but in principle, codes     should identify each item in the revenue stream, and each related     expenditure. All accounting software supports this (department codes) but     they don’t usually get the relational aspect right, or define the activities     or business initiatives, in sufficient detail.  2. EMPLOYEE: Who was responsible for the revenue or the expenditure? It is more     important to the rational operation of a business to identify the manager     or at least, the business unit, associated with a business gains and     losses, than it is to identify the GAAP classification as current,     noncurrent, operating, etc.  3. CUST:  Which individual customer, and class of customer, is buying     our goods and services? This is so obvious it’s part of every accounting     system right down to the lowly Quickbooks ("Names") but GAAP doesn’t     seem to know or care. I could go on with more suggested dimensions but suffice it to say, CPAs and our GAAP classifications have gradually become relatively less important.  If anything, GAAP reporting is a "Problem" for business, for which software is implemented and people are hired, to solve.   ERP software companies and the data warehouse industry have taken up the real tasks of financial reporting, accountability, and post-measurement, and done such a good job that the GAAP financial statements almost flow out as an afterthought.  XBRL is really a final death knell for our "professional semantics".  ERP vendors will now be able to brand all the data (starting immediately with the high level aggregates) in the system, and print nearly perfect GAAP financials. They are asking AICPA, "OUT with it, man!  Tell us honestly, objectively: what are the rules of GAAP financial reporting, and let’s automate it and be done with it!! " Any accounting or ERP software that can adopt various different DTDs as its GAAP template will commoditize GAAP itself.  the software industry will implemnt any reasonably usable XML vocabulary for GAAP financial reporting pretty quickly.  For the next 5 years, these DTDs or schema will go thru versions and they might not even come from AICPA therefore, software companies need an ability to switch DTDs easily. One could argue the whole of GAAP constitutes nothing more than an ideology.  There’s no scientifically verifiable basis that suggests a breakdown between current and noncurrent assets, for example, or the dividing line of one year.  Even if you believe that every asset and liability has an intrinsic quality of "currentness", which is so important that it must be the law of the land, surely, you agree that it lies someplace along a continuum. Basically it is a numeric attribute, i.e. liquidates in 8 months or 15 months, not a binary Yes/No. How about Operating and non-operating income? Gains and Losses versus Income and expenses?  I argue that the whole of US GAAP is mostly arbitrary.  To define GAAP into multiple volumes of fine print, would be ridiculous, other than the sinister aspect that the business community is required by law to actually obey these rules. The whole exercise of articulating the rules of GAAP has been nothing more than a political and psychological exercise, in which the investor and owners’ brain was laid on the operating table, under the bright lights, and the terminology which triggered various synapses were mapped out, in relation to the beliefs and ideology of the investor’s brain at that time in history.  Investors legs twitched when they heard "1-Year", and CPAs thought that was important, so the CPAs recorded that into GAAP and made it mandatory under the law. Many CPAs are only recent converts to the notion that GAAP financial classfications are not the only (or even the most useful) classifications of business transactions!  Now we want to be members of management, offering pearls of strategic thinking wisdom.  Sheesh. Todd * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * 9745-128th Av NE, Kirkland WA 98033       (425) 827-3107 * XML accounting, web ledger, ASP, GL Dialtone, whatever it takes

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From a newbie, In a recent annual report, Arthur Anderson, LLP used the phrase "accounting principles generally accepted in the United States" rather than the standard phrase used in the past reports "generally accepted accounting principles". Any guess as to why they would change this phrasology?  Does it mean something specific and different from GAAP? Thanks, knid Before you buy.

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From a newbie, In a recent annual report, Arthur Anderson, LLP used the phrase "accounting principles generally accepted in the United States" rather than the standard phrase used in the past reports "generally accepted accounting principles". Any guess as to why they would change this phrasology?  Does it mean something specific and different from GAAP?

Was it a non-US company?  Sometimes you have to convert a non-US company to US GAAP for the US stock exchange. If you don’t specify US GAAP the foriegn readers may not be aware.  This a guess off the top of my head. –sarah Houston, TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, knid Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From a newbie, In a recent annual report, Arthur Anderson, LLP used the phrase "accounting principles generally accepted in the United States" rather than the standard phrase used in the past reports "generally accepted accounting principles". Any guess as to why they would change this phrasology?  Does it mean something specific and different from GAAP? Was it a non-US company?  Sometimes you have to convert a non-US company to US GAAP for the US stock exchange. If you don’t specify US GAAP the foriegn readers may not be aware.  This a guess off the top of my head. –sarah Houston, TX Thanks, knid Before you buy.

Sarah, Thanks for your reply No, the comapny is incorporated in Delaware with headquarters also in the USA.  To meet your suggestion, I might put the phrase as "generally accepted accounting principles of the United States", so that it matches the old phrase (and acronymn) more closely while adding the desireable clarity. Rearranging the phrase as drastically as the report did, caused me ask more questions rather than clarify the point for me. Perhaps it is a bad assumption on my part to think that the exact phrase is important?  How common is it for a large accounting firms to casually modify this phrase?  It seems more like extra and useless work to me, unless there is some driving motivation. Thanks again, knid Before you buy.

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"Pooled ignorance"? Then perhaps there is a substantial and corrupt conspiracy operating in Mae Sai, for it is positively possible to obtain a valid mutiple day visa from the tour agents in Mae Sai to travel to Kengtung overland. Perhaps the operative word is "length of time" because in my case I was given a two week visa, got to Kengtung in one very long day, spent a few days tramping about, then came back through Mae Sai. I was not arrested by either Thai or Burmese immigration, so I assumed I was legal. Assuming that I am ignorant and you are correct, then I may only assume that my visa was fake and the Burmese and Thai immigration officials jointly conspired in some elaborate corruption scheme to sell illegal visas and turn a blind eye to my passport when I presented it on the return. On the other hand, "deep pockets" and "little armies" do not always help should you attempt to cross illegally. Two French nationals on Honda Dreams crossed illegally (perhaps unwittingly) in the area of Doi Tung around four years ago and were arrested, imprisoned and not allowed to even contact their embassy. It was only after five months that a priest in the prison noticed them and managed to smuggle out a letter that their parents realised that they were even still alive. Yes, they did later get out, but only after assistance that included some seasoned "expertise" and very deep pockets indeed. In article The pooled ignorance/misunderstood language exposed

through this thread is substantial. You can not legally cross the border at Mae Sai or Mae Sot with the intention of going on into Burma to any where else for any length of time. Of course you can – and some do cross illegally; but these bunnies are deadly serious. There’s BIG money in the drug (and other trades) along this border. It’s not a trick for enthusiastic ‘travellers’ to

attempt – unless – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -you’ve got your little army along with you – and deep pockets. Paul Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by

using land transport. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are coming across from India through Burma, you would probably be most interested in crossing at Mae Sot. This is crossing point of the so- called Trans-Asia highway. The problem that I hear with Mae Sot is that it’s sometimes open and sometimes closed. I hear that it’s open at the moment. Mae Sai is also open for land crossings, but I am not sure how long it would take to get there overland if coming from India. If you are crossing by land soley because you are a

"cheap bastard", you might want to do some prior accounting including visa

fees, money exchange in Burma, and meals and lodging for the journey. Airline tickets are quite cheap from India to Thailand. … Cafe, internet sala, bed and breakfast along the Lang River in Soppong, Mae Hong Son,

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Well, I stand corrected. That’s a big change from the way it has been in Mae Sai for the past several years. I’m up there quite frequently, and in fact I was there three weeks ago, but didn’t cross the border. Maybe this is an indication of the fluidity of the border situation. I have never heard of Thai immigration keeping the passport of a European or American. That used to occur by the Burmese. Also, this presumably means that you will not get stamped with a re-entry, correct? If so, this is big news to many of the expats who use Mae Sai to get a new entry visa started. Does anyone else have very recent experience in this? This seems to be a big change. I will ring up some friends in Chiang Rai to see what the new arrangement is and report back here. In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t mean to contradict you but I crossed the bridge from Mae Sai Thailand to Burma three months ago and if "forangs" don’t fork over their passport they (Thai border cops) will not let you cross, plain and simple. I don’t know about any other border first hand. I guess you could wade the shallow river at night but if someone nails you, I think you could be in big trouble.

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i did the day trip from mae sai to tachilek in december. and the description by helios13 was my experience. the burmese didn’t take my passport. and it is possible to stay the night in tachilek and kengtung. but you have to do it through the official tourist agency which just happens to be next door to the immigration agency. the price for the kengtung 2-day trip was $100, i think. of course, if there any more border fights between the rebels and the rangoon govt, all this can change overnight. rodger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I stand corrected. That’s a big change from the way it has been in Mae Sai for the past several years. I’m up there quite frequently, and in fact I was there three weeks ago, but didn’t cross the border. Maybe this is an indication of the fluidity of the border situation. I have never heard of Thai immigration keeping the passport of a European or American. That used to occur by the Burmese. Also, this presumably means that you will not get stamped with a re-entry, correct? If so, this is big news to many of the expats who use Mae Sai to get a new entry visa started. Does anyone else have very recent experience in this? This seems to be a big change. I will ring up some friends in Chiang Rai to see what the new arrangement is and report back here. In article I don’t mean to contradict you but I crossed the bridge from Mae Sai Thailand to Burma three months ago and if "forangs" don’t fork over their passport they (Thai border cops) will not let you cross, plain and simple. I don’t know about any other border first hand. I guess you could wade the shallow river at night but if someone nails you, I think you could be in big trouble. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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The pooled ignorance/misunderstood language exposed through this thread is substantial. You can not legally cross the border at Mae Sai or Mae Sot with the intention of going on into Burma to any where else for any length of time. Of course you can – and some do cross illegally; but these bunnies are deadly serious. There’s BIG money in the drug (and other trades) along this border. It’s not a trick for enthusiastic ‘travellers’ to attempt – unless you’ve got your little army along with you – and deep pockets. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport. If you are coming across from India through Burma, you would probably be most interested in crossing at Mae Sot. This is crossing point of the so- called Trans-Asia highway. The problem that I hear with Mae Sot is that it’s sometimes open and sometimes closed. I hear that it’s open at the moment. Mae Sai is also open for land crossings, but I am not sure how long it would take to get there overland if coming from India. If you are crossing by land soley because you are a "cheap bastard", you might want to do some prior accounting including visa fees, money exchange in Burma, and meals and lodging for the journey. Airline tickets are quite cheap from India to Thailand. … Cafe, internet sala, bed and breakfast along the Lang River in Soppong, Mae Hong Son, Thailand–http://soppong.tripod.com Before you buy.

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I just cannot fathom how and where this "information" was gathered. Without question, undoubtedly, and for sure foreigners *can* presently cross the border in Mae Sai-Tachilek. Thais don’t even need a passport. Thousands of westerners do it every day and have done so for last six years, save for a few brief periods of tension between Thailand and Burma. Further, unless things have changed and as other posters have noted here, it is possible to get multiple day visas from tour agencies in Mae Sai, and many people do this for the purpose of tours to Kengtung. Only if you are Burmese national you can cross the borders either India-Burma (Moreh and Tamu) or Burma-Thai (Tachileik and Maesai). If you are foreigner you cannot.

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Only if you are Burmese national you can cross the borders either India-Burma (Moreh and Tamu) or Burma-Thai (Tachileik and Maesai). If you are foreigner you cannot.

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I don’t mean to contradict you but I crossed the bridge from Mae Sai Thailand to Burma three months ago and if "forangs" don’t fork over their passport they (Thai border cops) will not let you cross, plain and simple. I don’t know about any other border first hand. I guess you could wade the shallow river at night but if someone nails you, I think you could be in big trouble.

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Perhaps India-Burma is closed and has been for a very long time,

It has. In fact for years it was impossible to travel even to Kalimpong. I believe you still need permits that are not easy to get to go beyond Assam. It means that you have to apply to some ministry in New Delhi and have some reason to go there that they find really good. However, it must not always be like this. It could change very fast if there was peace etc in the areas but as it is today I think the only way to go over land is through Tibet, China, Vietnam and/or Laos. A shame it really is. but for sure the Burma-Thai border crossings at Mae Sot and Mae Sai are open now. Actually, for the past few years, they have only occasionally been closed.

How far in to Burma can you go then? Is it just a part near the Thai border or can you travel to Mandalay and Rangoon too? Per

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It costs you $300 (forced Exchange to local currency when entering). A cheap bastard like you should fly. Even shipping my bike from Delhi by plane is cheaper! good luck sam

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The Border is not really open in Mie Sai Northern Thailand to Burma. The Thais demand that  you give them your passport and you bring two photo coppies of your passport over the bridge to Burma. You cannot stay in a hotel on the Burma side without your true passport.

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Partially correct. The Thais do not "demand" that you give them your passport at Mae Sai when entering Tachilek. The old system was that the Burmese immigration held your passport and gave you a day pass (cost US$5) that you returned when you retrieved your passport. The system now is that the Thais stamp you out of Thailand (in your passport) and the Burmese actually stamp a day visa in your passport and you retain your passport. This has the added benefit of allowing you to receive a new 30 day permit (or re-entry) from Thai immigration when you return. Actually, this has been the system for the last couple of years so far as I know. It is also possible to obtain more than a one day pass from Burmese immigration and this would allow you to overnight in Tachilek. Many tour groups (including individual motorcycle trekker going to Kengtung) have done this in the past. In article The Border is not really open in Mie Sai Northern Thailand to Burma. The Thais demand that  you give them your passport and you bring two photo coppies of your passport over the bridge to Burma. You cannot stay in a hotel on the Burma side without your true passport.

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The Burmese Thai border IS open officially for day tourists at Mae Sot and Mae Sai. At a number of other points there is a lively cross-border traffic. If you’re game – don’t mind really risking your life and fortune (not to mention your health – Malaria is endemic) go for it. Legally it is possible to enter Myanmar for lengthy preiods only by air. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hugues Simard skrev: Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. That is it.Theses borders have been shut for a very long time. Of course people have crossed them for ages, but there never was much of continuous road with frequent traffic. The eastern most parts of british India were never completely subdued. Some folks were until quite recently into hunting heads in the territories called Burma, and the Government in Rangoon only has control over part of it. Some parts can be visitedf from Rangoon, some from Thailand, etc., but so far I never heard of anyone who suceeded in going from India to Thailand. Would be a very intersting trip though if it could be done. Per I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport.

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Hugues Simard skrev: Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. That is it.Theses borders have been shut for a very long

time. <snip Perhaps India-Burma is closed and has beenn for a very long time, but for sure the Burma-Thai border crossings at Mae Sot and Mae Sai are open now. Actually, for the past few years, they have only occasionally been closed. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hugues Simard skrev: Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand.

That is it.Theses borders have been shut for a very long time. Of course people have crossed them for ages, but there never was much of continuous road with frequent traffic. The eastern most parts of british India were never completely subdued. Some folks were until quite recently into hunting heads in the territories called Burma, and the Government in Rangoon only has control over part of it. Some parts can be visitedf from Rangoon, some from Thailand, etc., but so far I never heard of anyone who suceeded in going from India to Thailand. Would be a very intersting trip though if it could be done. Per – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport.

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Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport.

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Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport.

http://www.slip.net/~georgem/burma/burma.htm for some links about this. Updates are encouraged.

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Anyone know if it’s still possible to cross these borders by land.  I’ve asked around and no one seem’s to know for sure.  So far I’ve had a definite no For India and a yes sometimes for Thailand. I’m considering going to Burma on a upcoming trip in September, but I’m a cheap bastard and would rather save a few $$$ by using land transport.

If you are coming across from India through Burma, you would probably be most interested in crossing at Mae Sot. This is crossing point of the so- called Trans-Asia highway. The problem that I hear with Mae Sot is that it’s sometimes open and sometimes closed. I hear that it’s open at the moment. Mae Sai is also open for land crossings, but I am not sure how long it would take to get there overland if coming from India. If you are crossing by land soley because you are a "cheap bastard", you might want to do some prior accounting including visa fees, money exchange in Burma, and meals and lodging for the journey. Airline tickets are quite cheap from India to Thailand. … Cafe, internet sala, bed and breakfast along the Lang River in Soppong,  Mae Hong Son, Thailand–http://soppong.tripod.com Before you buy.

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Hi,     We are a law firm in need of a small computer program which will reduce a sum of money payable in the future to its present value.  The issue comes up in the context of structured settlements.  To some extent, we could use a program which will calculate structured settlements into the future, but primarily and mostly we need a simple computer program which will reduce to present value.  Do any of you accountants know of such a program? John W. Sharp

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| Hi, |     We are a law firm in need of a small computer program which will reduce | a sum of money payable in the future to its present value.  The issue comes | up in the context of structured settlements.  To some extent, we could use a | program which will calculate structured settlements into the future, but | primarily and mostly we need a simple computer program which will reduce to | present value.  Do any of you accountants know of such a program? | Any spreadsheet software (excel, lotus) can do this if the user knows the proper functions.  TValue is also a good program for these calcs.

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I love who I think you are cp. you amaze me. rune – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can keep dying forever. Like. So.

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   So when are you going to decide you’ve finally played out that image, that whole body of images, that whole network of sound, the entire world, when there is simply nothing left to say or do, when you’ve all but built a cathedral to your pain, when you’ve said and said and said and now there is nothing left but to feel it. Then you build a cathedral.  You make a religion of your sores, because you don’t know anything larger than what you feel behind your skin.  Your scars open up and they swallow the world, a creation myth in reverse:  your chosen people live inside you (oh god), and sometimes when they’re not chosen in a while, when they haven’t been chosen for a long, long time, when they’ve overstayed their welcome in a tiny nave behind your throat– Here, with me now.  Take your hands off the keyboard and do this with me: Here’s the church (you know how to do this?) Here’s the steeple (up, yes, up just like that) Open it up– And now smash your fingers against the wall until they are red jelly, until you just can’t feel it anymore, until the little flecks of bone are embedded in the sheetrock. I used to listen to this song over and over. I used to scream the lyrics at the wall. The wall never answered. The windows never broke. My voice wasn’t strong enough. "Hey little darling. I’m coming your way, little darling. And I’ll be there… just as soon as I’m all straightened out. Yeah. Just as soon as I’m perfect." Little mechanical birds, tiny metallic songs.   My voice still isn’t strong enough. My hands are still weak. My shoulders still tremble. You thought it was love.  It was just the way we move.  Something in my eye.  Not crying.  Not crying.  Not crying. You stop building.  There’s nowhere to go but down.  You can’t even fit a door in, these three foot ceilings. The floor creaked. I broke. Cut my tongue on your teeth.  We were always bleeding.  I ran into the door.  You were so small.  You stood with a hip cocked, unaware of being seen, pins in your mouth. No. I broke. Cut your skin on my teeth.  You were always bleeding.  That may not have been safe, that night.  I may have to pay for that. Closer. I broke. So. When the seventh angel opened the seventh seal of the seventh tube, my blood poured out, somewhere, glass pipette, yea verily. I broke. There is nothing left to do but clean up the mess and head for home. Head for home. She has no head for home. Your hands were so hard.  It was like being touched by trees.  I could smell your soap, your skin. I br Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. There is no art to this. Down by the ocean, with our footprints dissolved away, the sand below us hissing when the water went back out, you cut your foot on a shell. No. Down by the ocean, with every sound blanketed by the sound, the only sound, on average, in the entire world, you leaned into me and said. No. I haven’t been to the beach in years. I don’t miss the past a bit.  Not the nights you held me and I pressed the side of my head against you and tried to fight back the memory clogging my throat.   I broke. Everything around me has twisted into new shapes, shapes which do not make sense to me, for my eyes are still the same old round. No. "I think what you were probably having is something called a panic attack. It’s really nothing to worry about." "It’s not a heart attack?" "Oh, no, nothing like that.  What we’ll do is put you on a regimen of tranquilizers and an antidepressant for about six months…." This is the longest six months of my life. But to god a second is a thousand years. You were so handsome. We didn’t talk. I can make birds out of my hands, watch them fly. I can touch my finger to my eye. I can bring my knees to my chin. I can keep dying forever. Like. So.

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Wow. — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.                                         Martin Luther King, Jr.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so so so SO There was a roll of film sitting in the kitchen; it had been there for about a year and I had no idea what was on it.  I hadn’t developed it because it was one of theo Seattle Filmworks cans that you have to send in to get processed. I finally put it in an envelope and sent it away last week to be developed. It the last roll of the Yosemite photos from last Spring <’97, a trip that Kathryn and I had taken together during what was really the last best month we had had.  Like, over a year ago. And there she was, a shot of her at the Merced River standing there with her hands in her pockets and her hat on her head.  I haven’t seen or talked to her since Mar 9 and that had been a goddawful conversation.   Well, i haven’t seen her since Feb 16.

OUCH!!  Landmines from old relationships.  Bombs waiting to rip open the recently formed scar tissue.  Just when you think it’s safe… I feel numb, I think.  I think three months ago those photos would have had me in an hysterical fit.  Today?  They just reinforce that I don’t have want I want and that what I did have wasn’t what I wanted anyway.

Sounds like you’ve made a lot of progress in three months.  I’d take numb over hysterical any day.  Hope you find what you are looking for. The funniest part was that the one shot of me on this roll was entirely blurry and way out of focus.  She took a totally blurry shot of me.  She never really saw me, I don’t think.  Or what she did see she couldn’t look into.  I dunno.  Stupid metaphors and a numb, tired feeling.

Cold ironies.  It’s amazing to see how prophetic they can be.  I see them in my life all the time.  Some days, I feel so tired, as if I was 110 years old. Then Byron walked past my window outside.  He’s my gay neighbor and he has Karposi’s Sarcoma all over him now.  He’s looks like hell lately. He’s been so cool to live next door to all these years.  More reminders of others that I watched go through this.  But I’m numb. I’m really numb. yea yea, I’ll chat to some friends later and I’ll pack my bags tomorrow and drive away for a weekend of mirth and distraction.  Then I’ll come home and start school and do a little work for friends up North and distract myself… or is it live my life?  This is my life?

Sounds like you need a change of scenary, a little time away from the familiar settings.  School should bring a whole new set of challanges and excitement.  A chance to meet new people. Trying to not trip on dead people or vanished people or whatever? That’s not a life.  What do I want out of my life?  Better connections than what I’ve got I think.  in my brain or something, I just don’t know.

I keep hearing that a person shouldn’t look for one particular "big thing" or "true happiness" out of life, but rather, try to appreciate more of the day to day events.  Kind of the "pursuit of happiness" rather than "achieving happiness" sort of blather.  You know the huggy-wuggy woo-woo type of speech.  I don’t usually like hearing it, only because I think there’s a lot of truth in it, and I’m not doing my part of the bargain. I’m not sure where this is going, except to say that you shouldn’t ignore the little things in life while you’re looking for the "big thing" or "big purpose".  Sounds corny/sappy I know, but that’s what they tell me. People have been asking lately, ‘are you ok?’ That’s a laugh.  Not really but I don’t think anything anyone can do will alter that really right now.  Oh well, whatever, never mind.

You are doing better than three months ago, don’t forget that.  Hopefully, three months from now, you can look back and see even more improvement. Give it time. chuck

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i know that you are not ok criz.  i wish i could do something to make you feel better.  since i cannot i will try to be hear for you. People have been asking lately, ‘are you ok?’ That’s a laugh.  Not really but I don’t think anything anyone can do will alter that really right now.  Oh well, whatever, never mind. in Seattle the weekend of May 23/24                    

dennis Oh! somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright; The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout But there is no joy in Mudville — mighty Casey has Struck Out

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so so so SO There was a roll of film sitting in the kitchen; it had been there for about a year and I had no idea what was on it.  I hadn’t developed it because it was one of theo Seattle Filmworks cans that you have to send in to get processed.

oOOOOOO….i hate to say this, but i saw this coming when i started to read this…. Then Byron

I can’t believe u know someone named Byron. A suggestion. 1. go to kinko’s and blow up the best pictuer of Kathryn.  Real big. 2. Go to Walmart, buy some corkboard. 3. Go to game store and buy package of darts. 4.  I think you see where i’m going, here. *hug* Dryad

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don’t have want I want and that what I did have wasn’t what I wanted anyway.

That can be a good thing, depends on what you learn from the experience. The funniest part was that the one shot of me on this roll was entirely blurry and way out of focus.  She took a totally blurry shot of me.  She never really saw me, I don’t think.  Or what she did see she couldn’t look into.  I dunno.  Stupid metaphors and a numb, tired feeling.

Save that one. I’m really numb.

Buy Byron some flowers. It’ll help with the numbness all around. Trying to not trip on dead people or vanished people or whatever? That’s not a life.  What do I want out of my life?  Better connections than what I’ve got I think.  in my brain or something, I just don’t know.

Makes me think of songs by Velvet Underground, Jimi Hendrix and The Tubes. Lots of people just don’t know, maybe everyone, all the time. People have been asking lately, ‘are you ok?’ That’s a laugh.

No, that’s a sign. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb People Against Coercive Treatment http://web.arcos.org/gbacque/antiAPA.htm

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so so so SO There was a roll of film sitting in the kitchen; it had been there for about a year and I had no idea what was on it.  I hadn’t developed it because it was one of theo Seattle Filmworks cans that you have to send in to get processed. I finally put it in an envelope and sent it away last week to be developed. It the last roll of the Yosemite photos from last Spring <’97, a trip that Kathryn and I had taken together during what was really the last best month we had had.  Like, over a year ago. And there she was, a shot of her at the Merced River standing there with her hands in her pockets and her hat on her head.  I haven’t seen or talked to her since Mar 9 and that had been a goddawful conversation.   Well, i haven’t seen her since Feb 16.   I feel numb, I think.  I think three months ago those photos would have had me in an hysterical fit.  Today?  They just reinforce that I don’t have want I want and that what I did have wasn’t what I wanted anyway. The funniest part was that the one shot of me on this roll was entirely blurry and way out of focus.  She took a totally blurry shot of me.  She never really saw me, I don’t think.  Or what she did see she couldn’t look into.  I dunno.  Stupid metaphors and a numb, tired feeling. Then Byron walked past my window outside.  He’s my gay neighbor and he has Karposi’s Sarcoma all over him now.  He’s looks like hell lately. He’s been so cool to live next door to all these years.  More reminders of others that I watched go through this.  But I’m numb. I’m really numb. yea yea, I’ll chat to some friends later and I’ll pack my bags tomorrow and drive away for a weekend of mirth and distraction.  Then I’ll come home and start school and do a little work for friends up North and distract myself… or is it live my life?  This is my life? Trying to not trip on dead people or vanished people or whatever? That’s not a life.  What do I want out of my life?  Better connections than what I’ve got I think.  in my brain or something, I just don’t know. People have been asking lately, ‘are you ok?’ That’s a laugh.  Not really but I don’t think anything anyone can do will alter that really right now.  Oh well, whatever, never mind. in Seattle the weekend of May 23/24                    

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Criz, I know just what that sort of thing can do to ya.  I developed a roll and saw something I had forgotten that made my blood run cold.  My ex-husband in makeup!!  We had been partying and for some reason the ladies talked the guys into letting us put makeup on them.  Go figure, we were drunk and we were 18 and silly.  We took pics. Well two years later I had a whole new life and when I saw those I about flipped out of my tree.  Strangley enough, thinking about everything helped me to finish healing.  It hurt all over again but I felt better after that. I hope you have a great time on your vacation.  I agree with Chcuk in hoping that 3 months from now you will fell that much more improved. Best wishes and cyberhugs.

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many people have disappeared. so many people have left, and all i’ve been able to do is whisper, "stay. please stay." as i freeze the smile on my face, as i wave goodbye. (please)

Most of the time the people come back…I’m here, lots of us are still here. It’s an addiction, ya know? Mary Beth

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many people have disappeared. so many people have left, and all i’ve been able to do is whisper, "stay. please stay." as i freeze the smile on my face, as i wave goodbye. (please)

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many people have disappeared. so many people have left, and all i’ve been able to do is whisper, "stay. please stay." as i freeze the smile on my face, as i wave goodbye. (please)

We’ve always been her, ferret.  We never left.  At times the beast forces us into hiding, where we contemplate the pain and struggle in our own, allusive, way.  The beast isolates; the beast renders the irrational, rational. Therefore, we are here.  We have nowhere else to go.  :~( -=oc=- still here in spirit and mind, always.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <howled <howled fucking melodramatic, who needs this shit anyway? personally, i like melodrama. it is the spice in the stew. jean Do you mean scripted melodrama ?. As in theater ?. no, i mean i am attracted to people who live life in a BIG way.  I like strong emotional reactions, passion, opinions, drama in general.  I looked up the definition and here’s a snip from it: "drama abounding in romantic sentiment and agonizing situations, ….especially thrilling or pathetic". I like the thrilling, that’s the part of it that i’m drawn to. jean K-9  I have always thought of it as touch, scent and arousal. I did fall in love with a Dane. She liked older men though. She told me 1. I needed to be socialized 2. I needed to develope boundries. I don’t know anything. Maybe someday I will.

Maybe the Dane just didn’t like the sweet naivete of the younger man.  Who knows? jean ps i didn’t know anything for a long, long time.   I still don’t, really. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – K-9

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<howled – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <howled fucking melodramatic, who needs this shit anyway? personally, i like melodrama. it is the spice in the stew. jean Do you mean scripted melodrama ?. As in theater ?. no, i mean i am attracted to people who live life in a BIG way.  I like strong emotional reactions, passion, opinions, drama in general.  I looked up the definition and here’s a snip from it: "drama abounding in romantic sentiment and agonizing situations, ….especially thrilling or pathetic". I like the thrilling, that’s the part of it that i’m drawn to. jean K-9

 I have always thought of it as touch, scent and arousal. I did fall in love with a Dane. She liked older men though. She told me 1. I needed to be socialized 2. I needed to develope boundries. I don’t know anything. Maybe someday I will. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -K-9

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personally, i like melodrama. it is the spice in the stew.

Not if you have to live with it day in and day out. philippa, daughter of the queen of melodrama yes, i can see that.  My mother was a woman of modulation, she kept her anger to herself and her reactions as well.  She was tight lipped and pent up inside.  I used to wish she’d just spit it out….then she did.  Whew. Did she ever.  In a way though, I was happy for her when that happened.  It was kind of an emancipation process for her. I can’t imagine growing up with it day in, day out though.  I’m sure i’d have a different perspective on it, if i had. jean — As for me, I am a watercolor. I wash off. (Anne Sexton) http://www.mindspring.com/~philippa x-no-archive is in the headers– please respect it

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no, i mean i am attracted to people who live life in a BIG way.  I like strong emotional reactions, passion, opinions, drama in general.  I looked up the definition and here’s a snip from it: "drama abounding in romantic sentiment and agonizing situations, ….especially thrilling or pathetic". I like the thrilling, that’s the part of it that i’m drawn to. jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – K-9

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<howled fucking melodramatic, who needs this shit anyway? personally, i like melodrama. it is the spice in the stew. jean

Do you mean scripted melodrama ?. As in theater ?. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -K-9

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fucking melodramatic, who needs this shit anyway?

personally, i like melodrama. it is the spice in the stew. jean

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i took a look at your pic, and was just imagining the mane you must have

Never heard it called that, but I guess it works. oof! <always jealous of peoples hair, hey! where are my curls then? *pout*

Trust me… they’re more trouble than they’re worth…

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i’m everywhere. one minute i really believe this, the next i’m reading

Glad I could elevate your mood, even if it’s only a mood swing… Anthony’s post about conditioner chuckling away cos i think its cool that a bloke uses conditioner.

heh– It’s not that I use it, it’s that I’ll admit to it. Of course, denying it is a lost cause… fine, curly hair half way down my back… Without conditioner, it would be a single knotted mass.

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how’s by you? hi fstop.  i’m going to see sleater-kinney in forty minutes.

auuuuuuuuuuugggggggghhhhhhhhhhh I’m so fucking jealous! how was it??? minx

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how’s by you? hi fstop.  i’m going to see sleater-kinney in forty minutes.

wish i were going.  have fun!

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how’s by you? hi fstop. whenever you post now i think of the time that i dreamed i had to read a book that you wrote for a class. and the whole time i was in class i was trying to work into the conversation that i knew you, so i could seem like a big shot. i am ok. i really need to do laundry. i am a little sick of hearing about the president and his pretzel. i had three beers last night,

i read this as "three bears" initially.  insert your own goldilocks joke here. which is not really like me, it got me pretty tipsy. i just had a really good gyro from the deli down the street. without beer. and i got tickets today to see "MacHomer," it’s a one-man show by this guy who performs "MacBeth" using all of the simpsons’ voices. so yeah. hi. how are you?

i’m ok, thanks.  nothing much going on.

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how’s by you?

hi fstop. whenever you post now i think of the time that i dreamed i had to read a book that you wrote for a class. and the whole time i was in class i was trying to work into the conversation that i knew you, so i could seem like a big shot. i am ok. i really need to do laundry. i am a little sick of hearing about the president and his pretzel. i had three beers last night, which is not really like me, it got me pretty tipsy. i just had a really good gyro from the deli down the street. without beer. and i got tickets today to see "MacHomer," it’s a one-man show by this guy who performs "MacBeth" using all of the simpsons’ voices. so yeah. hi. how are you? j. a little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.

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how’s by you? I gotta tell ya, I’ve been a lot better.

sorry to hear that.

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how’s by you? I gotta tell ya, I’ve been a lot better. — ‘Not a morning person’ doesn’t even BEGIN to cover it… http://www.angelfire.com/mt2/kaelwyn

no way

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how’s by you?

I gotta tell ya, I’ve been a lot better. — ‘Not a morning person’ doesn’t even BEGIN to cover it… http://www.angelfire.com/mt2/kaelwyn

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how’s by you?

ticketty boo , and you ?

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how’s by you?

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

yup! your posts always gave me headaches!

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said: i hope everyone has killfiled me by now. I hate being confused.

You get used to it.  I have. — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter.                                         Martin Luther King, Jr.

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nope. I enjoy difficult communicators. jim "All wisdom is plagiarism; only stupidity is original http://geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/5449 http://members.aol.com/dauber22

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Nope, not me for many reason. I don’t have a killfile on AOL I have no reason to killfile you Even if I did, I tend to procrastinate and probably woudn’t get around to it until who knows when. Rick posted and mailed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

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menahuny wrote i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

I can’t…you like Tom Waits, Radiohead AND Soul Coughing…I have no choice but to keep reading your posts.

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

mmmm no, not yet….

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

Not on your life.  I am keeping you right here where I can keep my eye on you. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK)

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what’s this about baltimore? i’m in baltimore….. ooh, is there going to be an earthquake now?  oh goody, i’ve never seen a real live earthquake before!!!!! jm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – STOMP around my room in rage so FIERCE you will feel it in BALTIMORE.

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

not me, pal. i’m keeping an eye on you. one more offensive post and i will i will i will STOMP around my room in rage so FIERCE you will feel it in BALTIMORE. consider yourself warned. Erik  Bionic GeekBoy Erik Martin Schneider rhetorician of sorts http://www.concentric.net/~catdoc

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

I don’t have killfiles, I use pine — greg :: Bodhisattva with a real bad attitude         Take the *JUNKMAIL out of my addy to reply by email

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

not yet.  but if you keep blatantly proposing to other canadians when i have offered you a perfectly good offer of marriage myself, i’m going to  have to engage in some serious sulking. sara — garlic gum is not funny. – bart simpson

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menahuny wrote i hope everyone has killfiled me by now. I can’t…you like Tom Waits, Radiohead AND Soul Coughing…I have no choice but to keep reading your posts.

I don’t killfile *anyone* — as for Soul Coughing, did you know there’s a newsgroup for ‘em?  Very off-topic, and pretty entertaining… alt.music.soulcoughing  if you’re interested… Heather

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

Heavens! I haven’t even kill-filled, you know, thingeywhosit. (Evil, pure evil! Tee, hee, hee!) —          The opinions given above may be mine. They might also            just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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: i hope everyone has killfiled me by now. : not me, pal. : i’m keeping an eye on you. : one more offensive post and i will : i will : i will moosey sits herself next to eirk and hold her breath untill she turns blue : STOMP around my room in rage so FIERCE you will feel it in BALTIMORE. : consider yourself warned. : Erik :  Bionic GeekBoy : Erik Martin Schneider : rhetorician of sorts : http://www.concentric.net/~catdoc

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: : i hope everyone has killfiled me by now. : Nuh-uh, no way. You’re much too fun to watch. : Mercy mercy? mercy? is tha you!?!?! moosey smiles and smiles to see mercy… moosey misses mercy.. ; ) oh and mena dear… your posts are are on my short list the list of authors i ALWYAS look for.. and get all happy when i see you around moosey who is  {gasp gasp} happy to  have posts from her two fave folks in  the same thread…

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i hope everyone has killfiled me by now.

Nuh-uh, no way. You’re much too fun to watch. Mercy

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sorry to disappoint you, menahuny killfiling you would be just too painful to bear The NyteBard     (remove BLORG to send email) http://hometown.aol.com/nytebard http://pages.ivillage.com/misc/nytebard

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but i did not fall off my horse today.

yay.

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i went to see my professor and he was not there even though it was his office hours so i came back and made myself a peanut butter and grape jelly sandwich and drank gatorade and now i am going to nap and try to go see him during his office hours right before my really long boring three hour class with him. but i did not fall off my horse today.

I hate it when professors don’t show up for their office hours, especially if I’ve specifically left my apartment and walked to campus to talk to them. persephone — "It