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my company is relatively young, & for the first time i hv to write off an asset….. & the process has got me stumped. i use best books (a diluted version of myob). my company has just bought a brand spankin’ new vehicle one portion of the payment was a trade in on an old vehicle. so i now hv to somehow  write off that old vehicle & use the proceeds to help pay for the new one. in the process i hv made a loss on the sale…. ie. the sales proceeds of the old vehicle were less than the residual tax value. i’m tearing my hair out. can someone pls tell me what process i need to go thru. cheers,  mark

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my company is relatively young, & for the first time i hv to write off an asset….. & the process has got me stumped. i use best books (a diluted version of myob). my company has just bought a brand spankin’ new vehicle one portion of the payment was a trade in on an old vehicle. so i now hv to somehow  write off that old vehicle & use the proceeds to help pay for the new one. in the process i hv made a loss on the sale…. ie. the sales proceeds of the old vehicle were less than the residual tax value. i’m tearing my hair out. can someone pls tell me what process i need to go thru. cheers,  mark

Hello, Assuming you are using the income tax basis for accounting purposes here, I would record the transaction as follows: Old Vehicle (Gross cost on books)                       Credit Accumulated Depr. (old vehicle)             Debit New Vehicle (Total Cost)                        Debit Cash (actual cash paid, if any)                             Credit Note Payable (if any amt financed)                      Credit Loss on Trade-in                                     Debit This journal entry removes the old vehicle’s original value and accumulated depreciation from the books.  It also records the new vehicle’s value to the books, and records cash paid and any new liability assumed on the purchase.  The remaining amount to balance the entry would be your gain or loss on the transaction.  You said you had a loss, so this would be a debit. Preston Singleton, CPA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I know I will be flamed like crazy for this but it’s worth a try anyways. My name is Angie and I’m currently taking an Introductory Accounting class in College. I have a Quicken project due. To all of you accountants, it’s a piece of cake I am sure. But to me, with my full-time job and 18 credit schedule, it’s just too much for I think. So, if anybody in this newsgroup is willing to give me a hand, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks for your time.

with accounting also. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia

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I know I will be flamed like crazy for this but it’s worth a try anyways. My name is Angie and I’m currently taking an Introductory Accounting class in College. I have a Quicken project due. To all of you accountants, it’s a piece of cake I am sure. But to me, with my full-time job and 18 credit schedule, it’s just too much for I think. So, if anybody in this newsgroup is willing to give me a hand, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks for your time. Ang

I am actually willing to pay $$$ for someone to do this for me. Ang

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Log on to www.tutoraid.com Peter French MAcc MEd CMA

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I will be flamed like crazy for this but it’s worth a try anyways. My name is Angie and I’m currently taking an Introductory Accounting class in College. I have a Quicken project due. To all of you accountants, it’s a piece of cake I am sure. But to me, with my full-time job and 18 credit schedule, it’s just too much for I think. So, if anybody in this newsgroup is willing to give me a hand, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks for your time. Ang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Log on to www.tutoraid.com Peter French MAcc MEd CMA I know I will be flamed like crazy for this but it’s worth a try anyways. My name is Angie and I’m currently taking an Introductory Accounting class in College. I have a Quicken project due. To all of you accountants, it’s a piece of cake I am sure. But to me, with my full-time job and 18 credit schedule, it’s just too much for I think. So, if anybody in this newsgroup is willing to give me a hand, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks for your time. Ang

Hello Ang, If you are thinking of paying somebody to help you to complete your accounting assignment, then mightelse you straight away buy the accounting certificate straight away. What for continue put yourself in such a diffcult situation. What you study now only is in Introductory Stage. Please don’t call yourself as accountant after you graduate. Shame for all accounting graduate and the professional out there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Perhaps she is looking for help because she just doesn’t have the time to put into her "career" field.  Without putting in the time or otherwise figuring the issues out for herself, the student won’t be effective in the field and certainly not efficient. Frankly, when hiring,I am more interested in analytical skills of the candidate I am interviewing rather than whether the candidate knows how to handle a specific transaction. Repetitive work and transactions, I consider to be more bookkeeping oriented while the analytical skills cause the individual to be able to work in diverse, dynamic environments and figure out what needs to be done. She needs to do the work, extra if necessary, to figure out the issues so she will eventually have pride in her work and be valued by her colleagues.  IMO, that path leads to job satisfaction, the job is where most people spend most of their life.

Well, that was awfully condescending.  I don’t recall her asking for career/motivational help.  She asked for help with an Introductory Accounting Class.  She never mentioned she was an accounting major.  So get off of your soap box.

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I know I will be flamed like crazy for this but it’s worth a try anyways. My name is Angie and I’m currently taking an Introductory Accounting class in College. I have a Quicken project due. To all of you accountants, it’s a piece of cake I am sure. But to me, with my full-time job and 18 credit schedule, it’s just too much for I think. So, if anybody in this newsgroup is willing to give me a hand, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks for your time. Ang

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The real issue here is determining fair market value. REBEL CPA

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership.

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On Sunday 01 September 2002 12:30, JohnB shouted from the highest mountain: If you think that issuing stock is "free" then how about issuing stock for a merger.  Should the net assets acquired be valued at zero because all it costs is the printing bill for the blank stock certificates? And my favorite rant, if options do not have a cost how come there is a tax deduction BY THE ISSUING CORPORATION for the spread between option price and fair market value at date of exercise?

This relates to what _I_ said how? — Todd Stephens

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You are saying ‘because of this, that.’ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you think that issuing stock is "free" then how about issuing stock for a merger.  Should the net assets acquired be valued at zero because all it costs is the printing bill for the blank stock certificates? And my favorite rant, if options do not have a cost how come there is a tax deduction BY THE ISSUING CORPORATION for the spread between option price and fair market value at date of exercise? On Saturday 31 August 2002 19:34, James Murphy shouted from the highest mountain: Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership. Many things are expensed that don’t currently have a cash outflow, yet could cost the company at some point in time.

– *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership.

Probably because of irrational personal biases, such as envy…… Stock options long ago left the field of rational discussion and dropped into a kind of "… political lets get em’ .." arena. — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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If you think that issuing stock is "free" then how about issuing stock for a merger.  Should the net assets acquired be valued at zero because all it costs is the printing bill for the blank stock certificates?

To me, the anti-expensing people run into big problems with this argument. Under the assumption that the only cost is the issuing cost, then all stock mergers should be added to acquiring company’s books at the simple issuance cost.   Of course, they are not, because the stock issued to the seller represents the true value of the acquired company.  Just like stock issued to employees represents the true value of the stock issued and not just the cost of issuing the stock. I don’t see any significant difference in these two scenarios that would cause different accounting treatment. Chris Chris

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If you think that issuing stock is "free" then how about issuing stock for a merger.  Should the net assets acquired be valued at zero because all it costs is the printing bill for the blank stock certificates? And my favorite rant, if options do not have a cost how come there is a tax deduction BY THE ISSUING CORPORATION for the spread between option price and fair market value at date of exercise? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Saturday 31 August 2002 19:34, James Murphy shouted from the highest mountain: Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership. Many things are expensed that don’t currently have a cash outflow, yet could cost the company at some point in time.

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Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership.

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On Saturday 31 August 2002 19:34, James Murphy shouted from the highest mountain: Granting employee stock options does not cost the corporation in cash or liability, so why the idea of "expensing?"  Yet business elite, such as Alan Greenspan, call for it.  To me it is clear that the shareholders need to know about options with regard to future dilution of their ownership.

Many things are expensed that don’t currently have a cash outflow, yet could cost the company at some point in time. — Todd Stephens

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David Henry asked…     Quick question for Excel users.  Is there a way to format a cell to show percentage calculations but not show the % sign, it seems as though there should be but it is not as obvious as the same type of change for accounting or currency formats

Do you mean to show (for example) the decimal number 0.14 as "14.0" instead of "14.0%"?  I can’t think  of an easy way to do that, but a quick workaround would be to actually enter the number 14.0 in the cell and have any formulas that reference that "percentage" divide that cell by 100.

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That’s what I do.

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    Quick question for Excel users.  Is there a way to format a cell to show percentage calculations but not show the % sign, it seems as though there should be but it is not as obvious as the same type of change for accounting or currency formats thanks David

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    Quick question for Excel users.  Is there a way to format a cell to show percentage calculations but not show the % sign, it seems as though there should be but it is not as obvious as the same type of change for accounting or currency formats thanks David Why don’t you just create a formula whereby each cell is divided by

100.  This is a backdoor way to achieve the same result. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anyone know if it’s OK to take TWO of the main medications at one go? For instance, could one take both Risperdal AND Zyprexa? I would ask the mental health professionals, but having just got them off my back I don’t really want to contact them. Incidentally, they have approved me as being one hundred percent OK and fit to hand back to the doctor and no need of further help from them! HUH!  Shows how clever I am for sure! I convinced them that it was the rest of the world that was insane and not me and they believed me! Michelle

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Hi I was prescribed two meds at once by my pdoc. I was on a low dose of haldol and seroquel at the same time.  I took the haldol during the day and the seroquel at night.   I liked that combo because I had energy during the day and slept well at night. I wouldn’t just take two different meds on my own though, you might end up with more side effects that way. penguin

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I "ve been thinking. I need a roady/manager/agent/ to help me make money. I don’t drive. I play guitar. If I had somebody to help me get to gigs I could make some money. I’ve even come up with a few percentages  for how to cut the money up between us. Yeah so it seems I should put an add in the personals for help but all the personals are for hooking up with dates. Does anybody know of some service that help me find someone in the nearby area, Trenton and vicinity, who would want to go have some fun and share the excitement and make a little money Its possible that if I tin cupped it at Atlantic city I could make a couple hundred. If what I hear is true. They supposedly encourage street musicians there. I understand New York is a good place too.. But all the details I don’t know. I’d like the Roady/Manager/spiritual advisor/agent type person to stay by me. Look important. Snap a few pictures. Test the sound if I’m amplified, watch my gear while I run to the bathroom. etc. Where can I find such a person? So if anybody has any ideas for locating such a person online, lemme know. The thing is I have no idea what kind of money I can make but am told such tincup arrangements pay well. Any ideas? http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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I suppose that location means a lot. Like if I was in a touristy place and had a place to play I could probably make out real good. But even if so I’d need to have a residence, someplace to keep my equiptment safe. See I don’t have eighty zillion friends around here. Just a few. And everybody has their own lives to live. My one friend, volunteered to me the other day as we drove back from a little "escape" up river and walking around, she would take me to Atlantic City. This was after we had dropped in on a shop owner I know up in one of the "touristy places" along the Delaware. He explained that the town discourages music. Need all kinds of permits and stuff. Blocking up the sidewalk and all is a no-no. He then continued speaking of Atlantic City where "street musicians" are encouraged to play along the boardwalk. So……….she then pulled out a "someday" on me. "Someday. I told her that sounded very bad. Someyime after the first she said in response. The effect this leaves me with is that my self image is taking a beating. Seems to me, we should set plans. Instead I am left hanging. I don’t like this. I feel I’m being treated in a condescending manner. This one friend , another one,  who had been going along with the program and seemingly enjoying the attention and the fanfare that goes along with it. It was working rather well. But then she "figured out my problems" and knew just how I should change, take meds, stop drinking, don’t play bars, Then she even went into how I am a burden on my friends, and turned aginst me concerning my discussions with Social Security. So………I don’t want someone around me who undermines me like that. For a special event or gig I might ask her for a ride. But oh no, when someone turns on me like that I have never seen them change back. Never in all my days. To me, being a guitar player is a way of life, a lifestyle and, to me, I see it as a place where I don’t have to compromise a twit. I know this sounds self defeating but I won’t hand over "the good" of being independent and autonomous  for a compromised social situation where I am "the child" and my helper the "the adult". Whats agrevating is my current feelings towards my friend who recently volunteered to do Atlantic City with me. We were talking a very big percentage incidently. Do I want to incorporate with someone who be serious in her dealings? Who leaves me hanging? Who isn’t enthused about it? She would go lay on the beach with some as yet unnamed person while I play. Other people I know are simply involved in their own lives. So my not compromising the sincereity of my feelings and preserving this "guitar player path" , I am winding up with being a guitar player who rarely performs. I’m not a guitar player unless I play guitar for people. So for now, I sit here and pinch pennies, and stay alone, and make no money. I stopped playing the old mill because of the stresses it was placing on pour relationship. I needed a ride. And she started whining and moaning about it. So I let it go. I felt it was poisoning the good I see as a guitar player. I intend to preserve my autonomy concerning my music. I don’t have to let in the exact feelings and attitudes that I see Guitar enables me to transcend. I don’t have to let in any "headshit". Its the one place where I can preserve my autonomy and not become involved in emotional compromises and sell outs. I go out, I play, I have good times and fun. Thats it. I share my music joyfully and upbeat, happy. Thats my plan. There’s a gloom over the Atlantic City thing now. She said, "You’re just like a little boy now this is all that you’re going to talk about until we go" This was in response to my saying, "We’ll discus this on Sunday or monday, dates, and times and percentage cuts." See that air she blew on me? I don’t want that on my music. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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damod…@webtv.net wrote:  meaningfull things

Hi Damo. You play very well guitar. People in America have a liberal way of life.  The only meaning they find to life is to make money, for them, their wife, their kids… You think you want to make money, but actually you want to jump on board  of that huge ship where they feast.  I mean, i think you want to play guitar and only play guitar. They don’t see it that way however.  It’s not possible to play on the guitar for a living. I think you get the point. You’re a good guitar-player, Mr Damo. They are poor dreamers.  That’s all. M is the name of a male artist in France who sings with a high octave voice. He is allways talking about the schizophrenia in art.  I’m not setting this up. He’s being quite a succes by now. Nevertheless don’t let them get you down on that stuff. Nicely. DrenKa.

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In LA, you need an artists’ permit to set up shop on the sidewalk. The wait list for a permit runs into the multiples of years, just like HUD housing Voucher waiting lists. But it never (hardly ever) rains in So Cal between April and October, and you’ll be choking on dust and smog. They (the TV/radio) tell people to stay indoors when the air is bad. If you smoke or have lots of pets in your apartment, the air could be MUCH worse indoors than outside though. If you had a real band out there, and you wanted to play in a club that is packed every night; well the club is packed every night because every band breaks the "No Flyers" Law and leaves thousands of flyers for their upcoming gig around the ground by passing them out to strangers (who immediately dump the flyers within a block or two) within the week or two before the gig. How did they get the club space you ask? They have a thing called "Pay To Play", where the band pays $500 to $1000 (or more) to the club owner as a booking deposit; and the band wins it back at the door (a percentage of the entry fee) on gig night. So, entry might be $5 to $15 per person, and the band might get a third to half of that. The club has a limit to the number of persons allowed into the club per order of the Fire Marshall, and that doesn’t include strange clothing! It’s a total freak show when the customers arrive, if they care to arrive. I was too broke to take a night out like that, but I did pass by the lines of people waiting to go into the club…and I was terrified about not fitting in, why bother anyway?

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The band doesn’t actually get their $500 to $1000 (or more) booking deposit back; the club owner keeps it.

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Hi Cymbalman There is a local hot spot that does something similar to what you describe happens in L.A. . Its a big place. They took over one of the pld redbrick steel factories on the rivers edge here in Trenton, they have patio space and outdoor areas corralled in by factory walls they left standing. No roof though. It directly over looks the river. Beautiful. Of course you don’t want to sit out on the patio during low tide because the exposed river mud has an odor that makes people want to move inland as fast as possible. Quickly as possible too. I don’t know the details but its something like, the band rents one of the showcase rooms on an off night and there is a door fee. If the band draws then they make money. If they don’t draw, then they lose money. The club has to hire help to man the bars and hire bouncers and hire waitreeses. So they will go along with the band if the band can assure them they won’t lose money on it. Yes I believe the band has to give upfront money. Its on an "off night". Wednesday night or tuesday night. On their big nights of course they want no competition to the bands they pay to come in. Usually the patio area is where they put the big names.. With the low tide river stench wafting over the enthused college kids. Big river. To me, it dominates the whole area. Its quite significant, the Delaware. Of course I suspect most folks hardly notice it. The river does it right back. The river hardly notices the people. L.A. is too far to go, thanks for idea however. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Is there no way you can buy a car for yourself?  I once sold a car that still ran good for only $500.  That car would go anywhere but I didn’t like the stick shift and there was no A/C. <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:24418-4108F49B-229@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I "ve been thinking. > I need a roady/manager/agent/ to help me make money. > I don’t drive. I play guitar. If I had somebody to help me get to gigs I > could make some money. > I’ve even come up with a few percentages  for how to cut the money up > between us. > Yeah so it seems I should put an add in the personals for help but all > the personals are for hooking up with dates. > Does anybody know of some service that help me find someone in the > nearby area, Trenton and vicinity, who would want to go have some fun > and share the excitement and make a little money > Its possible that if I tin cupped it at Atlantic city I could make a > couple hundred. If what I hear is true. They supposedly encourage street > musicians there. > I understand New York is a good place too.. But all the details I don’t > know. > I’d like the Roady/Manager/spiritual advisor/agent type person to stay > by me. > Look important. Snap a few pictures. > Test the sound if I’m amplified, watch my gear while I run to the > bathroom. etc. > Where can I find such a person? > So if anybody has any ideas for locating such a person online, lemme > know. > The thing is I have no idea what kind of money I can make but am told > such tincup arrangements pay well. > Any ideas? > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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"Just Me" <thecli…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:BlgOc.2438$cK.2130@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… | Is there no way you can buy a car for yourself?  I once sold a car that still ran good for only $500.  That car would go anywhere but I didn’t like the stick shift and there was no A/C. You can’t buy a car if you can’t buy your meat How can you buy your meat if you can’t buy a car? PS: milk spoils in 10 minutes at 90 degrees.

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My budget after rent, phone, ISP and laundry quarters is about 250 a month. I haven’t had milk for weeks, I am out of bread for about two weeks, I am trying to make the toilet paper last until tuesday. Today I ran out of coffee. I am using drips of dish detergent to wash dishes as that is down to last drips. I am out of mouth wash. The good news is I’ll be getting foodstamps, so they say, thats they said on July three but they have been mute. I’m getting county to pick up medicare payments that means another 66 a month. And I believe they said I qualified for about 50 bucks of SSI a month. So…….in September or October I’ll get arrearage checks for the money still being taken for medicare and arrearage checks for SSI.  I can’t wait. Its hard being hungry. I go to a food pantriry. I AIN’T working, I’m going to put my self or others through that anymore. See I was making a dollar now and then with my guitar but…….. There was an issue so I stopped. I won’t go into right here. Buy a cheap car? Yeah sure. I can’t even buy pants currently. This check buys a pair of dungarees. I’ve got stuff I should sell. I have a muzzel loader shotgun up in the attic. Newspapers from the 1700s wiren in funny fonts, stuff like that. Antique cathederal radio up there. Everyone is dead so there’s no reason to hoard it any longer. I could play, maybe, if I tried to sell myself to few places. I only need about twenty extra a week and I’d be able to catch buses and perform. See but its hot. I’d sweat too much. I only play day gigs as a single performer. And if I spend the money for the bus I will get into trouble financially. So….I don’t choose to risk it. I’ll wait for October. That’ll mean foodstamps and I think an extra hundred a month. Add to that the arearage monies and I’ll be back in business., able to ride on buses and afford to have clean clothes. I’ll call the election and campaign headquarters for the democrats soon. And there is a chance for a tin cup gig down town next friday. On "payday", thats tuesday, I could grab a bus and my guitar and get an okay from someone for Friday. I was going out with a friend and we would always stop for a bite. I felt it was important to ensure my social security so I allowed the expense. But her attitude has gone too far. No more rides in the car and stop for restaurant food. That will mean a lot. I know far better days are coming as I have never been better on the instrument. I played several hours yesterday for example. I will update "Disinherited" and sell it for johnnie cheapo prrices to those who had bought the original. And I need a new one, mid priced range . I’m thinking of making it of my "favorites". I put a lot of time in at the old mill and I have matured significantly with the songs and the instrument. And I’ll be playing for the Democrats. Hopefully. I’ll be fine. If I didn’t catch a bad case of zombies I would have been able to much better turning a some money tricks with my guitar. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Hi Again, (Just

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.

Corona Light?!? Huh? Like regular Corona is too heavy? What? How can you lighten something that has no shade? My tap water has more flavor than Corona. I can’t believe they made a light version. Help!  Can’t compute! Why do people do such stupid things? You’d think that they’d come out with a Corona dark, or a strong or something. Perhaps then, and only then, will people actually start enjoying the stuff. How can they stay in business like that anyway?

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Now you know why everyone serves a lime with each bottle. -Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog. Corona Light?!? Huh? Like regular Corona is too heavy? What? How can you lighten something that has no shade? My tap water has more flavor than Corona. I can’t believe they made a light version. Help!  Can’t compute! Why do people do such stupid things? You’d think that they’d come out with a Corona dark, or a strong or something. Perhaps then, and only then, will people actually start enjoying the stuff. How can they stay in business like that anyway?

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.  That was the most horrible fermented (malt?) beverage I have ever tasted.  Nasty.  Poured it out after one swallow. A friend was coming over later, so I asked him if he drinks the stuff and he said yes, so I refrained from pouring the other 5 out.  He started drinking one when he got here and then I broke out one of my mediocre, too sweet, but OK, amber ales and got him to taste it in the middle of the Corona.  He thought it was pretty good.  Then I told him to try some more of that nasty stuff.  You should have seen his face! It was great!  He said that Corona was NASTY. I did the same experiment with a Red Dog that I had picked up somewhere and it was even nastier than the swallow of the Corona I had before. Anyway, Corona is the nastiest, vilest crap I have ever put in my mouth.  Now I have 6 nice clean, very expensive sample bottles for homebrew.  I really can’t believe any civilized person drinks that stuff. PS.  Also tried a Colt .45 32 oz. today for $.88 just to see what that was all about.  It was nearly as bad as the Corona.  It really stunk up my kitchen sink.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :) On the other hand, altho I prefer heavier beers as a rule, I do like a cold Tecate or two after doing the lawn, cleaning the garage, etc., etc.

 I have had Dos Equis Amber Lager and one time it is very good and the next is has a harse mettallic flavor or a skunky hop smell and flavor. When it is right it is pretty good.                                       Phil Cline.

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I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . If he thought Bud Light was real beer, what on earth was the ’swill’ he was drinking?

He didn’t say and I was too stunned to ask – and I don’t wanna know . Tony V.

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… … Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste.

Actually, I think it depends more on where you are in the distribution food chain.  Negra Modelo is a good "Viennese Lager" style beer, but it suffers from the same distribution network that carelessly — it sometimes seems intentionally — skunks up all the Corona.  So, in much of the USA, you wind up with Negra Modelo with a metallic twang or other odd flavors from bad shipping. When it’s fresh, I like it. Best, Sam Mize — Multi-part MIME message: " ", " ", " " (hands waving) Fight Spam – see http://www.cauce.org/

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

On the other hand, altho I prefer heavier beers as a rule, I do like a cold Tecate or two after doing the lawn, cleaning the garage, etc., etc.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :) IMHO: Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste. Rumor: (no verifacation) Corona was origanaly made (under another name) In Baltimore. faced with extinction, the company moved to mexica and sold the beer origanaly exclusively as an import to the US.

I doubt very much that this is true; I remember Corona from my youth (some thirty years back, probably), and they would have folded completely if they had relied on the US as a sole market. Oxymoron Joke; Kind of pot-kettl;e statment here in the land of BUD…

Not only that, I couldn’t see any connection at all, unless Mike S. was equating "Mexican" with "moronic"; if that’s what he meant, I think you can guess my reaction (I grew up in Mexico, and my IQ is just fine, thanks). — Andy McKellar    Dallas, TX

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Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend;         Perhaps I just had a bad sample?  It had an off flavor that early batches of my homebrew had… I don’t know how to explain it. Kind of a metallic astringency.  I’ll try it again if/when I eat Mexican food (I’m not particularly in to really greasy foods) next.

The Negra Modelo I can get here in Raleigh, NC has that flavor, sort of a sherry flavor. The same beer, when purchased in the Denver area does not. I think it may simply have to do with old beer. If you think Mexican food is greasy you have not experienced good Mexican food. You probably have had Tex-Mex that was called Mexican. If everything was smotherred in a red chili sauce it is a good chance you where served Tex-Mex. Brian p.s. At times I do go out of my way for the greasy variety.

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I wonder if it’s OK to just like beer? I do. I like Corona just fine – when I want something to knock down a thirst after, say, a game of basketball. I also like a good stout at a bull session with friends at a bar, or a nice hoppy red ale in my back yard on a Sunday afternoon. I’ve got some nice nut brown ale brewin’ up in the carboy right now, and my local brewpub makes a lot of nice German-style brews in particular. I like ‘em all. I’d also like to point out that some of this "Corona is skunk piss" talk reinforces the worst stereotypes of this hobby – the belief that it’s just a bunch of (mostly male) ubergeeks who are trying to make enjoying beer as impossible for most folks as enjoying wine, due to all the terminology and snootiness. If you don’t like it, don’t drink it. If your friends like it, don’t get your underwear in a knot. Introduce them to other stuff. Bring ‘em along. Just enjoy the stupid beer!

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress…

I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

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An interesting point about people acquiring a taste for light struck brew! When I worked for a major brewer we came out with 32 ounce cans for our brand and thought that they could help grow our business while increasing our profits.  (Cans are much more profitable than bottles). Unfortunately, sales of the brand plummeted when the cans replaced the existing quart bottles.  When we talked to our customers they said things like, "That’s not MY beer in the can, it doesn’t have any bite".  Truth is, it was better quality protected beer but not what they were used to.  There is truly no accounting for taste. Think global- drink local. Jim Ohio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand. Before I started brewing and learning more about beer than: "the more I drink, the drunker I get",  I used to be one of those people.  It all has to do with education and a willingness to learn.  In my experience, it also had something to do with trying to have yuppie tastes. Unfortunately, too many yuppies with ‘refined tastes’ and a enough money to afford ‘imported beer’ marveled about the fabulous ‘imported taste’ of the beers in green and clear bottles.  Those wanting to be like their yuppie friends, and have ‘refined taste’, drank the swill and also marveled at the ‘imported taste’.  None of them (including myself) knew that the skunkiness was a flaw. I will still drink those imports from time to time (when I’m outta HB in the middle of the summer), but only buy them by the case, where they’ve been protected from the light. Shawn Lowell, MA "A bad day of brewing is better than a great day at work."

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

Don’t blame the kid.  He’s probably seen "Toy Story" too many times.  It is full of A/B subliminals.  For example, the main character is named "Bud Lite Beer." Brian

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

IMHO: Dues Equis is a pretty good beer. Negro Modelo aint bad either. Just depends on your taste. Rumor: (no verifacation) Corona was origanaly made (under another name) In Baltimore. faced with extinction, the company moved to mexica and sold the beer origanaly exclusively as an import to the US. Oxymoron Joke; Kind of pot-kettl;e statment here in the land of BUD…

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: :         Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried : Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as : bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t : remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)… Well, there’s that one flavorful Mexican beer called "oxymoron"  :)

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Reminds of the time I was at a bar that serves hundreds of beers from around the world, and this guy orders a couple of Coors Light.  I know, I know, it’s a free country, but, c’mon…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

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I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I can top that .  My nephew had been helping a friend on a construction project and had been drinking swill.  He came directly to a family birthday party, pulled out a Bud Lite and said "Finally, a real beer".  I’m not making this up!  He’s outa the will, for sure . Tony V.

If he thought Bud Light was real beer, what on earth was the ’swill’ he was drinking? Tim in Lowell, MA — please move the dot in my return address to read analog dot com

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Today I bought a 6-pack of Corona light because I have seen several people here mention that it wasn’t bad.  What a mistake!  Tasted like a wet dog.

Actually, although I speak only from speculation, Bat Urine is a close description of Corona.  You, my friend, were mislead as you soon found out; you have my sympathy for tasting this ick. Nasty.  Poured it out after one swallow.

Ah, so proud of you.  Hard sometimes to waste beer, no matter how vile of a concoction it may be. A friend was coming over later…..

Likely not your friend now…. He said that Corona was NASTY.

So good to know that another has discriminating tastes.  Sounds like he may soon be on the homebrew path of all that is right with beer as God intended. Anyway, Corona is the nastiest, vilest crap I have ever put in my mouth.

I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I was in the local brew shop picking up supplies and mentioned the abomination called Corona to the owner.  He walked over, pulled a book off the shelf and pointed out a section to me.  (Michael Jackson book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison Avenue.  Quite comical actually. A toast to real beer…..ahhhhhh…Homebrew!  Relax and drink more… Michael ## Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, ## ##                and I’m not sure about the former.               ## ##                         -Albert Einstein-                       ##

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book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison

        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…         Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist? NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.                                                                    

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        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…         Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist?

Jackson writes about Negra Modelo in his "Beer Companion". He mentions that it uses adjuncts, though (doesn’t help me classify it as "premium").  I order it at Mexican restaurants because it goes good with the food (as Jackson suggests). Jackson also mentions in passing Dos Equis, Indio Oscura and Leon Negra (I’ve never tried the last two).  FWIW, he states that the "golden lagers of Mexico do nothing more than wash down its spicy foods".  Not a very promising outlook!  ;-O Mark Riley The Beer Recipator – http://hbd.org/recipator

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        Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…

Hey… IMO, Negra Modelo isn’t bad.  Nothing to write home about, but quite drinkable.  I’m glad that a lot of the Mexican restaurants have started serving it; now I can actually have a beer or two with dinner when we go out for Mexican food. Are you sure what you tried wasn’t the Modelo Especial?  From what I recall, ME *is* pretty vile stuff, only marginally less offensive than Corona… —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – book)  The history of Corona is that it is made as a cheap beer for migrant mexican workers of the cheapest (by MEXICAN standards) ingrediants and only the gullible yuppie Americans can be duped into drinking this vile stuff (technical term) by the power of Madison    Question:  Are there any GOOD Mexican beers?  I’ve tried Corona (vile, as previously mentioned), Negra Modelo (not quite as bad, but nowhere near good), and Dos Equis (long time ago… I don’t remember it as being fabulous, but perhaps drinkable?)…    Anyway, what are the premium beers from Mexico, should any exist?

Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend; in my opinion, it and Dos Equis are the best beers made in Mexico, with Negra Modelo slightly ahead.  On the other hand, I have a strong preference for strong flavors, so that influences my choice.  In the lighter lagers, Bohemia is probably the best (again, in my opinion); give it a try before you give up completely. BTW, you didn’t say what you _do_ like…? — Andy McKellar    Dallas, TX

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Well, if you don’t like Negra Modelo, I don’t know what to recommend;

        Perhaps I just had a bad sample?  It had an off flavor that early batches of my homebrew had… I don’t know how to explain it. Kind of a metallic astringency.  I’ll try it again if/when I eat Mexican food (I’m not particularly in to really greasy foods) next. NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.                                                                    

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. . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress…

I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand. Mark —- The email address above is wrong. To reply via email, please change "NoSpam" to "ItsMark" (No quotes)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . . . I have a friend who somehow finds Corona inexplicably delicious. Yes, I know, poor choice of friends, but there are other redeeming friendship qualities.  But I digress… I have quite a few friends who like Corona.  Actually, my roommate keeps asking me to try to brew something like it, and I keep trying to explain to him that Corona is crap and I wouldn’t waste my time trying to duplicate it.  The strangest thing I’ve noticed about fans of Corona is that they actually like that it’s skunked.  The same people all seem to like any import that comes in green bottles.  Once a friend of mine had a 12-pack of Corona, that hadn’t been exposed to light, and I was actually able to drink a bottle (still wouldn’t call it good), but he didn’t think it tasted right.  I’ll never understand.

Before I started brewing and learning more about beer than: "the more I drink, the drunker I get",  I used to be one of those people.  It all has to do with education and a willingness to learn.  In my experience, it also had something to do with trying to have yuppie tastes. Unfortunately, too many yuppies with ‘refined tastes’ and a enough money to afford ‘imported beer’ marveled about the fabulous ‘imported taste’ of the beers in green and clear bottles.  Those wanting to be like their yuppie friends, and have ‘refined taste’, drank the swill and also marveled at the ‘imported taste’.  None of them (including myself) knew that the skunkiness was a flaw. I will still drink those imports from time to time (when I’m outta HB in the middle of the summer), but only buy them by the case, where they’ve been protected from the light. Shawn Lowell, MA "A bad day of brewing is better than a great day at work."

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I’ve been hanging around companies and colleges for a long time and have yet to hear of a trebit.  Checking with three CPA friends including one who teaches accounting at a (junior) college and they respond with no knowledge of a trebit. Please furnish (1) a complete definition of a trebit and                (2) the colleges or universities in the U.S. that are teaching this. Thanks, Dana

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I agree, having been in the profession since 1994, this is the first time I head the term!!

An Alta Vista search on +trebit* +account* pulls up some interesting links other than ones to Colin James’ cec-services nonsense: <http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/aaa/resea/chapt11.htm <http://www.netsense.nl/efm/ebetr.html [snip] — Joe Foster <mailto:joe*AT*bftsi0.gate.net Spam is irrelevant. Assimilate this: <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/index.txt Microsoft’s master patch list <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ MS I got yer patch right here! <http://www.microsoft.com/kb/default.asp   MS Knowledge Base <http://www.altavista.digital.com          WWW *and* Usenet search engine WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above        They’re   coming  to because  my cats have  apparently  learned to type.        take me away, ha ha!

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the following troll:  An Alta Vista search on +trebit* +account* pulls up some  interesting  links other than ones to Colin James’ cec-services nonsense:

Nonsense indeed, please see below.  <http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/aaa/resea/chapt11.htm  <http://www.netsense.nl/efm/ebetr.html

The first website is Rutger’s hosting of the Ijiri paper which I could not remember immediately.  Thanks are due to Joe Foster for keying in an Alta Vista search. The second website is for an accounting product in the Netherlands which: 1.  Does not support Momentum Accounting at all, but attempts to implement a trivial subset, using trebits for income statistics only, but otherwise ignoring second derivative statistics and aggregate matrixes, as explained in the monograph below, which form the corpus of Momentum Accounting.   2.  Does not acknowledge Professor Ijiri as the inventor of the trebit and Momentum Accounting, but rather implies invention of the trebit in a series of professor pictures which is as intellectually dishonest as the product name "3D" accounting as "three dimensional", a deliberate pirating and misuse of the word "dimension" as described in the accounting sense by  Professor Ijiri in his monograph. (Momentum Accounting is obviously N-dimensional, depending on the number of derivatives taken.) 3.  Does not state that the product was manufactured with the permission and approval of the American Accounting Association (which owns the copyright to the Momentum Accounting monograph);  but that omission is naturally consistent with the product not implementing Momentum Accounting. CEC Services, LLC obtained permission on December 6, 1995 from the American Accounting Association to implement Momentum Accounting.  See the references and text at         http://cec-services.com/pr07.htm CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional standing whatsoever, but rather who posts as a provocateur and saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.  Foster trolls in comp.databases.ms-access and in biz.comp.accounting for programming questions from innocent writers, as yet uninitiated to Foster’s bait, then proffers 10 to 20 answers daily which are mostly insulting.  "May God richly bless Joe Foster with every good and perfect gift. Amen."

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I agree, having been in the profession since 1994, this is the first time I head the term!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been hanging around companies and colleges for a long time and have yet to hear of a trebit.  Checking with three CPA friends including one who teaches accounting at a (junior) college and they respond with no knowledge of a trebit. Please furnish (1) a complete definition of a trebit and                (2) the colleges or universities in the U.S. that are teaching this. Thanks, Dana

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the following troll:  An Alta Vista search on +trebit* +account* pulls up some  interesting  links other than ones to Colin James’ cec-services nonsense:

Nonsense indeed, please see below.  <http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/aaa/resea/chapt11.htm  <http://www.netsense.nl/efm/ebetr.html

The first website is Rutger’s hosting of the Ijiri paper which I could not remember immediately.  Thanks are due to Joe Foster for keying in an Alta Vista search. The second website is for an accounting product in the Netherlands which: 1.  Does not support Momentum Accounting at all, but attempts to implement a trivial subset, using trebits for income statistics only, but otherwise ignoring second derivative statistics and aggregate matrixes, as explained in the monograph below, which form the corpus of Momentum Accounting.   2.  Does not acknowledge Professor Ijiri as the inventor of the trebit and Momentum Accounting, but rather implies invention of the trebit in a series of professor pictures which is as intellectually dishonest as the product name "ThreD" [sic] accounting as "three dimensional", a deliberate pirating and misuse of the word "dimension" as described in the accounting sense by  Professor Ijiri in his monograph. (Momentum Accounting is obviously N-dimensional, depending on the number of derivatives taken.) 3.  Does not state that the product was manufactured with the permission and approval of the American Accounting Association (which owns the copyright to the Momentum Accounting monograph);  but that omission is naturally consistent with the product not implementing Momentum Accounting. CEC Services, LLC obtained permission on December 6, 1995 from the American Accounting Association to implement Momentum Accounting.  See the references and text at         http://cec-services.com/pr07.htm CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional standing whatsoever, but rather who posts as a provocateur and saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.  Foster trolls in comp.databases.ms-access and in biz.comp.accounting for programming questions from innocent writers, as yet uninitiated to Foster’s bait, then proffers 10 to 20 answers daily which are mostly insulting.  "May God richly bless Joe Foster with every good and perfect gift. Amen."

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deletions:  I agree, having been in the profession since 1994, this is the  first time I  head the term!!

For a descrption see         http://www.cec-services.com/pr07.htm where in part: "Traditional accounting uses double-entry bookkeeping with the atomic parts of debits [dr] and credits [cr].  Momentum accounting of Ijiri 1989 uses triple-entry bookkeeping with the additional atomic part of trebits [tr].  This allows for time-rate of change measurements that produce momenta (dr), impulse (cr), wealth (dr), income (cr), action (tr), and a three-dimensional structure of accounting.  Derivatives of these measurements produce aggregation matrix reports that benefit management.  The business value of momentum accounting is that while traditional accounting reports would show a business to be solvent, momentum accounting reports could show the business to be insolvent, and exactly where the business is insolvent." and "Ijiri 1989   Yuji Ijiri.  Momentum Accounting and Triple-Entry Bookkeeping: Exploring the Dynamic Structure of Accounting Measurements.  1989. American Accounting Association –Studies in Accounting Research #31." Professor Ijiri is the Robert M Trueblood University Professor of Accounting and Economics, Carnegie Mellon University, and is also associated with the American Accounting Association which had the above monograph on line about two years ago, the web address of which I do not have at my finger tips. An inquiry to that department at CMU should reveal what other universities have adopted teaching of Momemtum Accounting.   That should answer your question. It is important to realize that N-entry bookkeeping is possible, rather than single-, double-, or triple-entry bookkeeping.  Report Accounts [RA] can support up to 256-entry bookkeeping at the momement. I suppose up to 65,536-entry bookkeeping would be possible with RA if the logic table column switches were expanded from 1-byte to 2-bytes. However, I have not encountered N-entry bookkeeping higher than triple-entry. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Re-usable, patented financial software for business and banks Colin James III, PhD Principal Scientist www.cec-services.com CEC Services, LLC, 1613 Morning Dr, Loveland, CO   80538-4410 Telephone lines:  Voice 970.622.0466; Facsimile: 970.622.0177 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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  …I’ve checked out ALL the sites mentioned by everyone and followed them.   Not a short effort. My personal readout (yours may be different):   This is a theoretical idea that two (insofar as I can determine) groups   or individuals are attempting to use…

  …My recent inquiries show Momentum Accounting is in fact widely taught,   particularly in graduate schools, both in the US and abroad.  Clearly you did   not contact Rutgers University or Carnegie Mellon University, for starters.

  …Widely taught??  Are businesses aware of this momentus discovery?   AICPA,  FASB, SEC – better alert them, and the Big 6 (or is it 5 now)… I may not be up to date on my reading either.  I have not run across this concept in either literature from reselling accounting software or CPA stuff (VA license).  Have any other practicing resellers or accountants from public or industry heard of this? Sometimes ideas are thrashed out in the academic world before any use occurs in the ‘real world’.  Sometimes things in the academic world are just not applicable in the ‘real world’.  To get my acct degree, I had to take an abnormal psychology (sp?) which has not been of any use in the — James D Wiggins Jr. Thomasville Computer Resources, Inc. http://WWW.TCRI.COM/ 912-225-9676

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 <snip  CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who  has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional  standing whatsoever,  Yo! CJ3.  I have no academic background, (nothing past high school),  no intellectual credentials and no professional standing whatsoever.

Thanks for the confession, however, admitting one is not equipped is by no means a defense against making oneself out as an expert, which you admit you are not, but which you do anyway in your incessant internet chatter.  Are you trying to tell me I shouldn’t be assisting people in this  newsgroup?

Don’t be so presumptuous as to think I would waste my time telling you anything;  it wouldn’t help, because bullies never learn. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  but rather who posts as a provocateur and  saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.    Hogwash.  Tony

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 CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who  has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional  standing whatsoever,  Yo! CJ3.  I have no academic background, (nothing past high school),  no intellectual credentials and no professional standing whatsoever. Thanks for the confession, however, admitting one is not equipped is by no means a defense against making oneself out as an expert, which you admit you are not, but which you do anyway in your incessant internet chatter.

Ayup.  I do do a lot of ‘incessant internet chatter’ don’t I.  Are you trying to tell me I shouldn’t be assisting people in this  newsgroup? Don’t be so presumptuous as to think I would waste my time telling you anything;  it wouldn’t help, because bullies never learn.

Kewl.  Now I’m a bully.  Fabulous. Come on CJ3.  You can do better than that.  Your insults a year or more ago were much better. Tony Note to all.  Why am I treating CJ3 in this fashion. Because he is a truly scary individual who attempts to cause people much harm by phoning or faxing your boss or manager or whomever and ranting and raving.  Most bosses understand that there are wierdos out there. Some bosses, however, are classic PHMs (Dilbert’s Pointy Haired Manager) and have reacted inappropriately. See http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/html/kjan96.html for more information. —- Message posted to newsgroup and emailed. Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant The Year 2000 crisis: Will my parents or your grand parents still be receiving their pension in January, 2000?  See www.granite.ab.ca/year2000 for more info. Microsoft Access Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm

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Newsgroups: alt.accounting X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.450 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.62.26 Lines: 17 Path: …news.he.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu I’ve been hanging around companies and colleges for a long time and have yet to hear of a trebit.  Checking with three CPA friends including one who teaches accounting at a (junior) college and they respond with no knowledge of a trebit. Please furnish (1) a complete definition of a trebit and               (2) the colleges or universities in the U.S. that are teaching this. Thanks, Dana

I’m new here. Is this Reverend guy for real ? Or is it a put on? Your are clearly a put on, with your forged headers above.

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 I’ve checked out ALL the sites mentioned by everyone and followed them.  Not a short effort. My personal readout (yours may be different):  This is a theoretical idea that two (insofar as I can determine) groups  or individuals are attempting to use. My recent inquiries show Momentum Accounting is in fact widely taught, particularly in graduate schools, both in the US and abroad.  Clearly you did not contact Rutgers University or Carnegie Mellon University, for starters.

Widely taught??  Are businesses aware of this momentus discovery? AICPA,  FASB, SEC – better alert them, and the Big 6 (or is it 5 now) I can understand the math and see  some slight possible uses. I doubt that you understand the math (see note below) because it would require at least some calculus and an understanding of derivatives which makes Momentum Accounting very easy to understand and the enormous implications for accounting managers to be far reaching.

That’s what we need, financial derivatives, something easy to understand. Do you think Quickbooks will incorporate this into their next upgrade? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  However, the theorectical [sic] nature suggests  that an operating company to use this methodology as its sole system  would be unwise. A specious comment of sheer speculation (see note below).  Finally, the American Accounting Association is interestingly absent in  any controlling group for GAAP and, if you’re handling accounting in the  USA, that is vital. Again, a dictum written with an air of authority for which there is a vacuous basis (see note below).  While this thread may continue, it will do so without me as my question  is answered and I find no relevence [sic] to my projected uses of accounting  data. Thank you for recusing yourself from the thread that you initiated, a red flag of a troll, and also bad manners (see note below). I responded to your query about trebits assuming you are a professional in the field, which I have easily proven you are not. You write with an air of authority about GAAP and its "controlling group[s]". However, you have the hierarchy mixed up.  GAAP "controlling group[s]" are members of the American Accounting Association, not the other way around.  The American Accounting Association is one of the oldest, most exclusive, most respected, and most esteemed organizations of its type in the world.  While your comments could not tarnish their sterling reputation, what your comments do is violence to the reputation of your intellect by proffering written arguments about subject material which is provably outside of your purview. It is regrettable that you did not respect the professional mission of this news group or the posters and readers here.

"respect" ????   It appears they are right about the Right Reverend Colin James.

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[Newsgroups given an enema to remove Colon James the Turd's bogus groups] the following troll:

We know *your* private definition of "troll": anyone or anything that doesn’t agree with you and your loony ideas, 1/96’s Kook of the Month!  An Alta Vista search on +trebit* +account* pulls up some  interesting  links other than ones to Colin James’ cec-services nonsense: Nonsense indeed, please see below.  <http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/aaa/resea/chapt11.htm  <http://www.netsense.nl/efm/ebetr.html The first website is Rutger’s hosting of the Ijiri paper which I could not remember immediately.  Thanks are due to Joe Foster for keying in an Alta Vista search.

Good thing *someone* thought of it, since you’re apparently incapable. The second website is for an accounting product in the Netherlands which:

[words... words... uhhhh huh-huh huh-huh words.... words...] CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional standing whatsoever, but rather who posts as a provocateur and saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.  Foster trolls in comp.databases.ms-access and in biz.comp.accounting for programming questions from innocent writers, as yet uninitiated to Foster’s bait, then proffers 10 to 20 answers daily which are mostly insulting.  "May God richly bless Joe Foster with every good and perfect gift. Amen."

Yep, look at all those people thanking me for misleading and insulting them. Uh-huh. Nice try, bunghole. Yes, it’s true that as a college dropout, I have no academic standing whatsoever, but as I recall it took an errand boy to point out that the emperor had no clothes. And, as anyone here can plainly see, tacking "Ph.D." onto the end of one’s name is no great indicator of intelligence or of intellectual honesty, either. — Joe Foster <mailto:joe*AT*bftsi0.gate.net Spam is irrelevant. Assimilate this: <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/index.txt Microsoft’s master patch list <ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/ MS I got yer patch right here! <http://www.microsoft.com/kb/default.asp   MS Knowledge Base <http://www.altavista.digital.com          WWW *and* Usenet search engine WARNING: I cannot be held responsible for the above        They’re   coming  to because  my cats have  apparently  learned to type.        take me away, ha ha!

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<snip CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional standing whatsoever,

Yo! CJ3.  I have no academic background, (nothing past high school), no intellectual credentials and no professional standing whatsoever. Are you trying to tell me I shouldn’t be assisting people in this newsgroup? but rather who posts as a provocateur and saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.  

Hogwash. Tony —- Message posted to newsgroup and emailed. Tony Toews, Independent Computer Consultant The Year 2000 crisis: Will my parents or your grand parents still be receiving their pension in January, 2000?  See www.granite.ab.ca/year2000 for more info. Microsoft Access Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm

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 I’ve checked out ALL the sites mentioned by everyone and followed them.  Not a short effort. My personal readout (yours may be different):  This is a theoretical idea that two (insofar as I can determine) groups  or individuals are attempting to use.

My recent inquiries show Momentum Accounting is in fact widely taught, particularly in graduate schools, both in the US and abroad.  Clearly you did not contact Rutgers University or Carnegie Mellon University, for starters. I can understand the math and see  some slight possible uses.

I doubt that you understand the math (see note below) because it would require at least some calculus and an understanding of derivatives which makes Momentum Accounting very easy to understand and the enormous implications for accounting managers to be far reaching.  However, the theorectical [sic] nature suggests  that an operating company to use this methodology as its sole system  would be unwise.

A specious comment of sheer speculation (see note below).  Finally, the American Accounting Association is interestingly absent in  any controlling group for GAAP and, if you’re handling accounting in the  USA, that is vital.

Again, a dictum written with an air of authority for which there is a vacuous basis (see note below).  While this thread may continue, it will do so without me as my question  is answered and I find no relevence [sic] to my projected uses of accounting  data.

Thank you for recusing yourself from the thread that you initiated, a red flag of a troll, and also bad manners (see note below). Dear Mr Persells: In your other usenet articles you cite your employer.  Because you posted with an air of authority, I contacted them to chat with you.   I understand you were terminated last week from their employ.   I also understand that you may have misrepresented yourself as an expert in accounting fields in which you are not qualified to do so, among other things. Hence, at least in my opinion, your credibility is that of a fraud and a troll. I responded to your query about trebits assuming you are a professional in the field, which I have easily proven you are not. You write with an air of authority about GAAP and its "controlling group[s]". However, you have the hierarchy mixed up.  GAAP "controlling group[s]" are members of the American Accounting Association, not the other way around.  The American Accounting Association is one of the oldest, most exclusive, most respected, and most esteemed organizations of its type in the world.  While your comments could not tarnish their sterling reputation, what your comments do is violence to the reputation of your intellect by proffering written arguments about subject material which is provably outside of your purview. It is regrettable that you did not respect the professional mission of this news group or the posters and readers here. However, I do encourage you to post positive and helpful information here.  

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I’ve checked out ALL the sites mentioned by everyone and followed them. Not a short effort. My personal readout (yours may be different): This is a theoretical idea that two (insofar as I can determine) groups or individuals are attempting to use. I can understand the math and see some slight possible uses. However, the theorectical nature suggests that an operating company to use this methodology as its sole system would be unwise. Finally, the American Accounting Association is interestingly absent in any controlling group for GAAP and, if you’re handling accounting in the USA, that is vital. While this thread may continue, it will do so without me as my question is answered and I find no relevence to my projected uses of accounting data.

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CAVEAT:  Please do not take seriously any articles by Joe Foster who has no academic background, intellectual credentials, or professional standing whatsoever,

I know plenty of outright boneheads who hide behind their "credentials" My opinion has been and always will be that the majority of acedemia (sp?) are a bunch[sic] of *losers* who either cannot make it in or are afraid of "the real world". [please note that there are some who do not fit in this category, however you Mr. Retarded Reverend James Kook (whatever) IMO *do* belong to this group.] (o my! I’ve stooped to name calling.) You imply that somehow because you posess these [ academic background, intellectual credentials, et al.] that you are better than those of us who do not possess such things. This does not make you better, it simply makes you a SNOB. What makes you better? Hey — I can balance a twelve-pack of Bud on my head, while juggling two beers in one one hand and drinking one with the other. I guess this makes me better than you. but rather who posts as a provocateur and saboteur on any newsgroup he reads.  

I cannot speak for "any newsgroup" but I have found Mr. Foster, at least in this newsgroup [comp.databases.ms-access] to be quite informative and helpful. Mr. Foster posseses a knowledge of Access that is generally productive for this group and I’m sure that there are several individuals — if not several hundred (or even thousand) who can attest to this. He has personally answered several difficult questions that I need answers to. What have you done? Advertised your "product". Bitched, whined and moaned about people who generally don’t like you — and I generally don’t like you — nothing personal, mind you, — the only thing I have to judge you by are your posts. [You may actually be a decent guy in real life, but I doubt it. Foster trolls in comp.databases.ms-access and in biz.comp.accounting for programming questions from innocent writers, as yet uninitiated to Foster’s bait, then proffers 10 to 20 answers daily which are mostly insulting.  "May God richly bless Joe Foster with every good and perfect gift. Amen."

Now go away and leave us alone. jwp

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Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, What are you doing using child support money to pay for your Internet charges?  That’s exactly what gets men so pissed off and makes it so hard for those of us women who are trying to fight deadbeats who refuse to pay support.  

Did you really think about this reply before you posted it?  If one parent doesn’t pay his/her half of the child support, that other half comes from *guess where*!  The money APART from the money  you already used to pay for your own half of the childs support !  SO are you saying that this woman has no right to anything for herself because she is the custodial parent and the non-custodial parent didn’t pay his share?  What do you suppose the non custodial parent (ncp) did with that child support money that he didn’t send?  I would imagine he would be able to pay for a lot more than an ISP monthly payment with it. THis person came looking for some support, someone who could hear her anguish and offer some empathy and instead she gets her teeth bashed in.  What a  GREAT group!

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YAAAAYYY, Patricia! Glad to hear it, congratulations and all!!! Tracey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, What are you doing using child support money to pay for your Internet charges?  That’s exactly what gets men so pissed off and makes it so hard for those of us women who are trying to fight deadbeats who refuse to pay support.  This kind of thing is exactly what those men are afraid of – women who use the money for the wrong things.  so hes defaulting on payments…one more fight for me.  My unemployment insurance ends in a week. Ever thought of getting a job? So do the math….no support payments, no job = homeless very quickly.  My lawyer wants to be paid, but I cant pay him.  This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me. You may be computer literate but your English and grammar are hopeless – you’ll have difficulty getting a job in the computer world without those skills. My internet charges are only 19 a month…less than 30 cents a day.  How much do you spend on beer or cigarettes?  I use my computer for more than this "support" group.  I am accessing newspapers, on line job boards, faxing my resume out, and I use it for my daughter’s homework. I could go spend $50 a session for a shrink.  I thought being on this NG would be support enough that I could get a support "group" along with my internet charges…..maybe Im wrong.  Why dont you go throw your rocks at your own house? Pat

Susan:  Im sure many of the people who use this NG and casual emails would agree that grammar and spelling go on the wayside when used in this venue.  This is not a business situation where I would watch my P’s and Q’s.  My spelling and grammar are excellent.  You are way too smug to be in a support group. For the rest of my friends out there:  I FOUND A JOB!!! I will be working in a legal office 5 days a week.  The hours are perfect, and pay is adequate.  And you know WHAT SUSAN??? I’ll be paying for the internet with my OWN money. Patricia

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Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, What are you doing using child support money to pay for your Internet charges?

Have you considered the possibility that she was using the support money to pay the _proper_ expenses, and using her own to pay for internet? Brian (no, the other one)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, What are you doing using child support money to pay for your Internet charges?  That’s exactly what gets men so pissed off and makes it so hard for those of us women who are trying to fight deadbeats who refuse to pay support.  This kind of thing is exactly what those men are afraid of – women who use the money for the wrong things.  so hes defaulting on payments…one more fight for me.  My unemployment insurance ends in a week. Ever thought of getting a job? So do the math….no support payments, no job = homeless very quickly.  My lawyer wants to be paid, but I cant pay him.  This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me. You may be computer literate but your English and grammar are hopeless – you’ll have difficulty getting a job in the computer world without those skills.

My internet charges are only 19 a month…less than 30 cents a day.  How much do you spend on beer or cigarettes?  I use my computer for more than this "support" group.  I am accessing newspapers, on line job boards, faxing my resume out, and I use it for my daughter’s homework.   I could go spend $50 a session for a shrink.  I thought being on this NG would be support enough that I could get a support "group" along with my internet charges…..maybe Im wrong.  Why dont you go throw your rocks at your own house? Pat

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Like this happened overnight….right? You LET yourself deteriorate to being homeless! Get up off your god damn lazy ass and get a freaking job at McDonald’s or something. STop your sniveling crap expecting sympathy. You brought this upon yourself by doing nothing, how long has this been in the works?

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 This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me.

I’m not from California, but you might try contacting several temporary agencies such as Manpower, Kelly, etc.–there’s probably dozens in your area.  Temp agencies are great ways of getting quick jobs that are better than working in the service industry.  You can get quick data entry, computer programming, office & secretarial, etc. which will pay better than average.  They are also a great way to get full-time permanent positions.  Often companies will hire temps as a way to screen for new employees.  Good luck! You can do it!

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Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month,

What are you doing using child support money to pay for your Internet charges?  That’s exactly what gets men so pissed off and makes it so hard for those of us women who are trying to fight deadbeats who refuse to pay support.  This kind of thing is exactly what those men are afraid of – women who use the money for the wrong things.    so hes defaulting on payments…one more fight for me.  My unemployment insurance ends in a week.  

Ever thought of getting a job? So do the math….no support payments, no job = homeless very quickly.  My lawyer wants to be paid, but I cant pay him.  This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me.

You may be computer literate but your English and grammar are hopeless – you’ll have difficulty getting a job in the computer world without those skills.

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Pat, I don’t live in Orange County, but maybe these can help… I worked at what is now called Peek Traffic – Signal Control Company in Salem OR.  I’ve made some friends, but didn’t keep in contal (kick myself in the butt for that one)…  I ran the A/P department, and had the last name of Brown.  It has been only eight years since I’ve been there, so this is the best I can do… Econolite Control Products, Inc. 3360 E. La Palma Ave. Anaheim, CA 92806 Phone (714) 630-3700 I knew someone by the name of Chuch Crews.  Loved talking to him on the phone.  He had the best sounding voice I’ve ever heard, and would have loved to gone skiing with him.  He asked if I’d go one time when he was planning on coming to Oregon, but I left my job there and went on to II Morrow Inc.  He would work in the Accounting Department if he is still there.  I don’t think he’ll remember me, but you can try…. Once again I went by the name of Tracy Brown.  And just in case you do mention me, and he remembers me… tell him I’d still love going skiing with him and he can teach me… Peek Traffic – Signal Maintenance Inc. 2283 Via Burton Street Anaheim, CA 92806 Telephone 714-563-4000 Sub company of Peek Traffic and Signal Control… Signal Control Company was bought out by Peek Traffic a fews years ago.  Since then I know they have been doing many changes, but it is a try.  I don’t think anyone still works there that I dealt with.  One of my job functions was to take their a/p stuff, verify it, and send it on it’s merrily way to be paid.  Quite interesting job…. Good luck, Tracy http://www.engr.orst.edu/~browntr/      | http://www.teleport.com/~tracyh/ I would like to find a man who wants    | Have you told your children to be married and a father for life.    | you love them today? "The only safe computer is a dead computer" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, so hes defaulting on payments…one more fight for me.  My unemployment insurance ends in a week.  So do the math….no support payments, no job = homeless very quickly.  My lawyer wants to be paid, but I cant pay him.  This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me.

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Well, this may be my last posting for a while, looks like Im going to have to give up my internet service unless a miracle happens!  My ex says he cant pay support this month, so hes defaulting on payments…one more fight for me.  My unemployment insurance ends in a week.  So do the math….no support payments, no job = homeless very quickly.  My lawyer wants to be paid, but I cant pay him.  This is all a nightmare. IF any of you live in Orange County California and can use a good employee who is computer literate, please email me.

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How does one provide relief for a grown dog during overnighters?

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Solving this problem cost me about $60K. $1200 for a roll-up inflatable and motor to take the dog to shore when anchored. The rest for a bigger boat when the inflatable wouldn’t fit in the lazarette of the old boat!

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The articles I have read, all say the same thing, Train your dog to go in a specific spot on the boat.  Hopefully, its near a drain plug! — Wayne Spivak SBA  *  Consulting:  Systems for Business & Accounting   SBA.NET.WEB:   Internet & World Wide Web Consulting     Tel:  516-221-3306               Fax: 516-221-7129                  http://www.ronin.com/SBA

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A friends lab-samoyed mix poops on land on anything that is elevated.   After 8 months at sea, we finally figured out how to use this.  Put a bucket of water on the foredeck.  The bucket is elevated above its surroundings, and the dog sidles right up to it,and does its thing. Then you just throw out the water.

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Our black lab does it while she swims.  I do not know how she learned it but if you got to go you just go!!

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Queensbridge Houses tenants have voted for the Fruit of Islam as a paid security force. The New York City Housing Authority was considering this until, the ADL of B’nai B’rith sent out letters of opposition to the New York City Housing Authority and to Jack Kemp, Secretary of the US Department of Housing and Urban Development…

Goodness me.  Imagine my astonishment.  When housing becomes government-owned, its operation becomes politicized.  Astounding. Mind boggling.  It just hit me like a ton of bricks.  I can scarcely even breathe, I am so totally shocked. HUD employees allege that Kemp is mismanaging the HUD budget.

Give the dude some slack.  It wasn’t until recently that the Progressive Movement, may its praises be sung to the high heavens, managed to implement socialized housing on a massive scale.   With more experience, say, 75 years, it will become as wonderful as Russia is now.     Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!

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                                 CONTACT: Ray Normandeau 718 392-1267                             NYC Housing Authority Police 718-729-4199 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                Queensbridge Carnage Coverage Continues        First Machine Gunning of the week at Queensbridge Houses What is the first machine gun attack of the week at Queensbridge Houses in Long Island City, Queens is also the second shooting of the weekend at that crime plagued Housing Project. Friday September 11, 1992 saw the first shooting of the weekend which resulted in one victim. A gun was recovered by the Police. Further details were issued at that time on a computer bulletin board. Sunday September 13, 1992, multiple calls were received by 9-1-1 reporting shooting going on at Queensbridge Houses. Tenants reported bursts of machine gun fire. Several locations were given in the multiple calls. There were reports of several victims, but the arrival of police found nothing. Finally a victim was found inside 40-14 10 Street in a second floor apartment. The victim who had been hit in the torso had not wanted to wait outside for medical attention. It is unknown how many victims there really were, as parties to shoot-outs are sometimes transported out of the area by collaborators. It is known that police made several arrests and as some tenants were going to bed, police were searching the roof top of 41-16 12 Street for more perpetrators with guns. Thankfully, there has not been a publicly reported homicide at Queensbridge Houses since August 26, 1992 when a well dressed murder victim with shirt and tie was shot in the head three times in a hallway at 41-11 10th Street. The building had an unlocked lobby door. The US Department of Housing and Urban Development has stated in a letter that the New York City Housing Authority leaves lobby doors unlocked as a form of punishment for tenants. The elevator at 41-10 10th Street had been in the process of renovations since early July and some tenants took the elevator of the crime scene building to the top and then crossed the roof to 41-10 10th Street. Some tenants allege that this was done at the suggestion of Queensbridge Houses Manager Scott Krikawa. Krikawa was removed following that murder. Queensbridge Houses tenants have voted for the Fruit of Islam as a paid security force. The New York City Housing Authority was considering this until, the ADL of B’nai B’rith sent out letters of opposition to the New York City Housing Authority and to Jack Kemp, Secretary of the US Department of Housing and Urban Development in Washington. Now HUD and the NYC HA refuse to discuss this any further and the carnage continues. Perhaps if there was better accounting of money sent to the NYC HA for crime fighting in the projects, the tenants wouldn’t be seeking outside security assistance. HUD employees allege that Kemp is mismanaging the HUD budget.                                 # # #

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