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  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? If you haven’t been keeping track of individual transactions all along, how are you going to know what you have in all these various sales?  You can’t expect ebaY to help you there. —

  I have all my sales itemized and printed out each week. I’m not totally lost,  just looking for some easy ways to get the totals. Is it wrong to expect the big mama company to help provide us with a few easy to use tools? — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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says… … I file sales tax returns quarterly and need to access the same information. Richard Ward

Since my sales tax payments are so puny, they put me on a yearly reporting for those a year ago, saves everyone time and paperwork. One of the few bureaucratic moves I’ve ever seen that actually makes a little sense. Mac

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  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this?

If you haven’t been keeping track of individual transactions all along, how are you going to know what you have in all these various sales?  You can’t expect ebaY to help you there. — If the Internet was a real super-highway it would be traveled by slow moving garbage trucks with big flashing corporate logos on them, little kids riding tricycles carrying supersoakers filled with battery acid, and HUGE yellow schoolbuses with America Online painted on them, filled with kids throwing shit out of the windows.

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As for sales:  don’t you keep track anyway?  I can press one button and get my 2002 total, without going into anything but my own records. Kris    Not a bad idea. Get the monthly Ebay bill, then work backwards deducting expenses.

    I don’t understand.     All eBay totals are the sales (which you should already know     about), so you only have to total up 12 invoices.  I don’t suppose Ebay would provide that to us either? As for a one button 2002 total…… where do you get that?

I have my own database system, and I enter all sales and expenses on the date they occur.  For eBay, I enter one "expense" total at the end of the year (same with PayPal). Then, I hit the button and my figures spew right out, neatly totalled and categorized, in exactly the format my accountant wants. Kris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — You can download your sales for the year on the Accounts tab at my eBay.  To be honest though, it’s an incredibly better idea to keep track of these things as they occur, as opposed to trying to recreate them every year after the fact from someone else’s records.     the problem is that it is in many pages that you’d have to print on at a time, and there are no running totals…. Why print it at all?   It’s not like it’s going to disappear from eBay’s records. For your eBay fees, all you need to do is add up the monthly invoices that were *paid* in 2002.   There’s no need for long lists, or details. You only need that if you’re audited. As for sales:  don’t you keep track anyway?  I can press one button and get my 2002 total, without going into anything but my own records. Kris    Not a bad idea. Get the monthly Ebay bill, then work backwards deducting expenses.  I don’t suppose Ebay would provide that to us either? As for a one button 2002 total…… where do you get that? — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

 From her own records.  Most people don’t wait until the end of the year to total everything up, they keep track as the year goes by.  I’m not entirely sure how you manage to do it only once a year, I file sales tax returns quarterly and need to access the same information. Richard Ward

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  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

You can download your sales for the year on the Accounts tab at my eBay.   To be honest though, it’s an incredibly better idea to keep track of these things as they occur, as opposed to trying to recreate them every year after the fact from someone else’s records.

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declared:  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this?

this isn’t much help now, but i print out the items sold list from my ebay every month, gives a nice total at the bottom.  bearing in mind that some months need an extra printout for the 31st day. robert "I must not fear.  Fear is the mind-killer.  Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.  I will face my fear.  I will permit it to pass over me and through me.  And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.  Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.  Only I will remain."

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declared:  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? this isn’t much help now, but i print out the items sold list from my ebay every month, gives a nice total at the bottom.  bearing in mind that some months need an extra printout for the 31st day. robert

  What we all need is a yearly, with totals like what you are doing monthly. My guess is that they could do this easily for us. — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — You can download your sales for the year on the Accounts tab at my eBay.   To be honest though, it’s an incredibly better idea to keep track of these things as they occur, as opposed to trying to recreate them every year after the fact from someone else’s records.

     the problem is that it is in many pages that you’d have to print on at a time, and there are no running totals…. — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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  What we all need is a yearly, with totals like what you are doing monthly. My guess is that they could do this easily for us.

Probably.  I’m using Shooting Star, which has a few problems used as a listing tool, but which is really handy at tax time.  Create a profit/loss report for any time period you like. (I move the figures to Excel, so I can include a few non-eBay things and rearrange a bit.) Makes schedule C pretty easy. Bonita

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — You can download your sales for the year on the Accounts tab at my eBay.   To be honest though, it’s an incredibly better idea to keep track of these things as they occur, as opposed to trying to recreate them every year after the fact from someone else’s records.      the problem is that it is in many pages that you’d have to print on at a time, and there are no running totals…. Why print it at all?   It’s not like it’s going to disappear from eBay’s records. For your eBay fees, all you need to do is add up the monthly invoices that were *paid* in 2002.   There’s no need for long lists, or details. You only need that if you’re audited. As for sales:  don’t you keep track anyway?  I can press one button and get my 2002 total, without going into anything but my own records. Kris

   Not a bad idea. Get the monthly Ebay bill, then work backwards deducting expenses.  I don’t suppose Ebay would provide that to us either? As for a one button 2002 total…… where do you get that? — JK Sinrod sinrod stained glass studios http://www.sinrodstudios.com/ Coney Island Memories http://www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? — You can download your sales for the year on the Accounts tab at my eBay.   To be honest though, it’s an incredibly better idea to keep track of these things as they occur, as opposed to trying to recreate them every year after the fact from someone else’s records.      the problem is that it is in many pages that you’d have to print on at a time, and there are no running totals….

Why print it at all?   It’s not like it’s going to disappear from eBay’s records. For your eBay fees, all you need to do is add up the monthly invoices that were *paid* in 2002.   There’s no need for long lists, or details. You only need that if you’re audited. As for sales:  don’t you keep track anyway?  I can press one button and get my 2002 total, without going into anything but my own records. Kris

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declared: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – declared:  OK what do you busy sellers do about Ebay accounting for tax time? Is there a way to get a total breakdown and sales numbers from Ebay? The accounting pages area is a nightmare. All we really need are sales, and expense totals. Anyone have any luck asking them for this? this isn’t much help now, but i print out the items sold list from my ebay every month, gives a nice total at the bottom.  bearing in mind that some months need an extra printout for the 31st day. robert  What we all need is a yearly, with totals like what you are doing monthly. My guess is that they could do this easily for us.

well the monthy totals are only 12 numbers to add as opposed to over a thousand.  what is really needed is a way of getting some sort of total for paypal fees.  those i’m going to have to add up individually. robert "I must not fear.  Fear is the mind-killer.  Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.  I will face my fear.  I will permit it to pass over me and through me.  And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.  Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.  Only I will remain."

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   What we all need is a yearly, with totals like what you are doing monthly. My guess is that they could do this easily for us. Probably.  I’m using Shooting Star, which has a few problems used as a listing tool, but which is really handy at tax time.  Create a profit/loss report for any time period you like. (I move the figures to Excel, so I can include a few non-eBay things and rearrange a bit.) Makes schedule C pretty easy. Bonita

Or you can always do it the quick and old fashioned way – a Big Chief tablet and a pencil or two – fancy computer programs are nice but not the end-all Should take a hour total or so a month and maybe 3 hours or so at year end to handle several hundred sales John

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You can go to www.ppcnet.com they have many useful products on the subject.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi can any1 tell where can i find info on GAAP? thanx

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hi can any1 tell where can i find info on GAAP? thanx

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hi can any1 tell where can i find info on GAAP? thanx

Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) are set by a couple of corporations in New York (the AICPA and FASB). Publicly listed companies are required to obey these rules, and the fine print or go to jail.  l When local CPAs prepare financial statements even for the smallest local businesses, we are not allowed to use the word "generally accepted accounting principles" unless it obeys the whole book of fine print, from those New York corporations AICPA and FASB who are in the business of selling GAAP (i.e. the revenue of AICPA and FASB comes from contributions of large CPA firms and selling the copyrighted GAAP books. The State Boards of Accountancy adopt whatever those New York GAAP companies publish, as "GAAP" in state statutes. If we local CPAs don’t follow those GAAPs then, we go to prison and lose our licenses. Therefor I protest the entire arrangement, quit preparing GAAP financial statements a few years ago and recommend all local CPAs do the same thing.  Laws are supposed to be made by a democratic process, in the United States not delegated to some exploitative corporations, the AICPA and FASB in New York. In summary "hi can any1 tell where can i find info on GAAP?" The answer is "Don’t bother.  You’re not missing anything." Todd

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Since January 1st is a holiday, then it is normal for a business to pay employees on the last workday before the holiday.  Same is true if the pay day fell on a weekend, then the employees would normally be paid on Friday before the weekend pay day. — Charles Little Chairman and Founder, PenSoft Payroll Software http://www.pensoft.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our established pay dates are the 1st and 16th of every month.  I was expecting my most recent paycheck to be dated January 1 and to also take into account all of the new tax provisions. Instead, my check was dated December 31 and all of last year’s tax provisions were used.  When I asked why our pay date was changed, I was told by HR that it was money earned last year so it had to be paid last year.  Also, that our CFO had maxed out his Social Security requirements for last year and if we would have been paid the 1st, he would have had to start paying into Social Security again.  I thought that was the law?  I’ve been paid weekly in previous jobs and don’t remember ever receiving a special check on Dec. 31 to make sure I was paid in the right year. I also thought that since taxes were decreased, it would be better to be paid in 2002 than 2001 anyway. Is it OK for my company to arbitrarily change our pay date to get out of paying taxes? Thanks, K.G.

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I would have to do a test payroll but I thought you were taxed according to the pay period and not the check date.

If you are a cash basis taxpayer, you are taxed in the year you recieve the cash or have constructive receipt of the cash. easy2000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our established pay dates are the 1st and 16th of every month.  I was expecting my most recent paycheck to be dated January 1 and to also take into account all of the new tax provisions. Instead, my check was dated December 31 and all of last year’s tax provisions were used.  When I asked why our pay date was changed, I was told by HR that it was money earned last year so it had to be paid last year.  Also, that our CFO had maxed out his Social Security requirements for last year and if we would have been paid the 1st, he would have had to start paying into Social Security again.  I thought that was the law?  I’ve been paid weekly in previous jobs and don’t remember ever receiving a special check on Dec. 31 to make sure I was paid in the right year. I also thought that since taxes were decreased, it would be better to be paid in 2002 than 2001 anyway.

The tax brackets dropped only 1%.  Saving 6.2% (the SS tax rate) is just slightly higher than 1%. Is it OK for my company to arbitrarily change our pay date to get out of paying taxes?

Yeah.  In fact it’s the American way.  The IRS won’t care, and unless you are under union contract, neither will anyone else. I am assuming that you did receive the paycheck on December 31? — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia http://www.pat-cpa.com

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Since January 1st is a holiday, then it is normal for a business to pay employees on the last workday before the holiday.  Same is true if the pay day fell on a weekend, then the employees would normally be paid on Friday before the weekend pay day.

Really?  I paid my employees on the 2nd instead of the 1st. "Normal" varies I guess. — Paul A. Thomas, CPA Athens,  Georgia http://www.pat-cpa.com

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Be thankful that you have a paying job.  There are millions who would love to have a paycheck and wouldn’t  be fussy about what date was on it so long as the could cash it. Count your blessings! Peter

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Our established pay dates are the 1st and 16th of every month.  I was expecting my most recent paycheck to be dated January 1 and to also take into account all of the new tax provisions. Instead, my check was dated December 31 and all of last year’s tax provisions were used.  When I asked why our pay date was changed, I was told by HR that it was money earned last year so it had to be paid last year.  Also, that our CFO had maxed out his Social Security requirements for last year and if we would have been paid the 1st, he would have had to start paying into Social Security again.  I thought that was the law?  I’ve been paid weekly in previous jobs and don’t remember ever receiving a special check on Dec. 31 to make sure I was paid in the right year. I also thought that since taxes were decreased, it would be better to be paid in 2002 than 2001 anyway. Is it OK for my company to arbitrarily change our pay date to get out of paying taxes? Thanks, K.G.

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The reasons that you were given sound like BS. First off, payroll for the 31st could have been calculated and paid to the CFO only. It did not have to include all employees. Second if the company wanted to match expenses with their income they can easily accrue wages earned up until the 31st, unless they are on the cash basis of accounting which seems unlikely. The bottom line is that life is too short to sweat the small stuff. I wouldn’t make it an issue at work, you can’t win. The company certainly didn’t break any laws and can pay you early if they want to.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our established pay dates are the 1st and 16th of every month.  I was expecting my most recent paycheck to be dated January 1 and to also take into account all of the new tax provisions. Instead, my check was dated December 31 and all of last year’s tax provisions were used.  When I asked why our pay date was changed, I was told by HR that it was money earned last year so it had to be paid last year.  Also, that our CFO had maxed out his Social Security requirements for last year and if we would have been paid the 1st, he would have had to start paying into Social Security again.  I thought that was the law?  I’ve been paid weekly in previous jobs and don’t remember ever receiving a special check on Dec. 31 to make sure I was paid in the right year. I also thought that since taxes were decreased, it would be better to be paid in 2002 than 2001 anyway. Is it OK for my company to arbitrarily change our pay date to get out of paying taxes? Thanks, K.G.

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Our book-keeping arm has just taken out 4 weeks of radio advertising – 20 second slots, 4 a day – on the local radio station, but I have now become concerned that I should be offering something to get people on-board. Some general thought from a very "non-guru" in marketing: Have you successfully used this method before to attract clients? Normally I’ve picked up the impression that mass media advertising is most effective in attracting price shoppers and building name recognition

I had started an email to a CPA who is an important client of mine, talking about Harry and 2 other CPA marketing gurus… I realized halfway thru it, what he has told me many many times:  He doesn’t want any more "walk-in" types of clients.  His biggest business problem is getting rid of unprofitable clients (usually those who create information messes, draw staff time, are price sensitive, do not understand or appreciate business advice, etc.) So, I ended up deleting the email message. What CPAs need is effective ways of meeting business executives who are prospects that are really worth meeting, in ways that are conducive to developing trusting relationships. That is not an area of expertise for me <Grin   I’m focussed on the objective functionality of software and internet business systems, * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * XML accounting, WebLedgers, ASPs, GL dialtone, whatever it takes

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Thank you Ed and Jim, I’ll try to be worthy of your advice and value the tips. Are there any subjects or areas within marketing accounting services that you think might be most interesting to practicing Accounting Professionals?

COMMENTARY FROM ED ZOLLARS Long ago I discovered that marketing among CPAs was much like billing–how I do it is right and how everyone else does it is wrong <grin.  My suspicion has long been that there are multiple ways to approach the marketing situation, and some work better for certain people than others. You also need to tailor your marketing to your overall business plan–and multiple plans can be successful. For instance, most CPAs (myself included) have little interest in being a high volume 1040 shop.  But I have met an individual who is extremely successful doing just the sort of returns that most CPAs would swear you could never make money doing.  Now, I may not *WANT* to be in that business (it really helps to be doing what you like), but I will no longer swear it’s a given that there’s no money there.  But it is also clear that the marketing to support that operation is going to be very different from the marketing to support my firm, just as our internal structures are going to be different. JIM HUDSPETH’S COMMENTS Years ago one of my most respected clients described his view of what he saw as my purpose in the scheme of things.  This man, a very experienced business man and pleasure sailor, told me that my job was to "blow away the fog and expose the rocks".  I liked his metaphor then; I like it now. I have also discovered that few people will hire me and pay me to expose "their" rocks. For many years, most of my work came to me because I had developed a strong skill set and reputation in a specific area – construction accounting.  The bonding companies had confidence in my work and pushed work to me.  I have actually discovered letters from bonding companies in client files where my name was the only name on the short list.  During that era, my marketing consisted mainly of doing my job and occasionally going to lunch with a bonding underwriter (they usually bought). Times have changed, and I am struggling to change with them, however I am as yet not willing to join the "hype and spin" crowd. Things that particularly interest me are:    Intergenerational transfers of wealth and power (family business)    Integrity of information (audit / review)    Integrity of process (fraud prevention) If you have any thoughts, theories, or comments about marketing within the context of the above commentary, I would love to discuss them. Meanwhile, Richard Neal has tossed you a subject that is a bit more main stream. Best Regards, — Jim Hudspeth, CPA – http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html – Washington, USA Associate Member, Association of Certified Fraud Examiners

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What CPAs need is effective ways of meeting business executives who are prospects that are really worth meeting, in ways that are conducive to developing trusting relationships.

I would change that–what you need is the ability to meet the people that fit your overall business plan.  The biggest problem I think most CPAs have is that they don’t think carefully enough about what type of client fits their profile.  

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Our book-keeping arm has just taken out 4 weeks of radio advertising – 20 second slots, 4 a day – on the local radio station, but I have now become concerned that I should be offering something to get people on-board. What is your considered opinion regarding, for instance, a 10% price cut off normal rates for anybody contacting us before the end of July? Or, then again, is there some other way of getting their attention? We had already intended to back the radio campaign with direct mail. I look forward to any opinions that you can share with us. Thanks Richard —

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll try to be worthy of your advice and value the tips. Are there any subjects or areas within marketing accounting services that you think might be most interesting to practicing Accounting Professionals? Best wishes Harry http://www.cpamarketingtips.com Before you buy.

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Our book-keeping arm has just taken out 4 weeks of radio advertising – 20 second slots, 4 a day – on the local radio station, but I have now become concerned that I should be offering something to get people on-board.

Some general thought from a very "non-guru" in marketing: Have you successfully used this method before to attract clients? Normally I’ve picked up the impression that mass media advertising is most effective in attracting price shoppers and building name recognition.  I assume your ads aren’t the general purpose name building type (which primarily say you’re there, but never get down to actually asking for a sale), but rather are geared specifically to bring in prospects for very specific services. The real question, to me, will be to make sure that your business plan dovetails with the prospects you are likely to pick up from this plan. As I note, price shoppers tend to react initially to such marketing and their loyalty will exist basically as long as you are less expensive than the competition (or at least not terribly more expensive).  Be aware that if you offer a 10% off option, you might have some clients that will sign up merely to get that option and then tell you that the price stays there or they are going to leave. And there may also be a question of whether you will need to keep up the advertising over a longer period of time–I think accountants tend to want immediate results from any marketing activity they undertake and abandon any that don’t produce immediate results.  That’s not to say you don’t measure the results, but most marketing/sales activities tend to work best through pure repetition–you are on the mind of the prospect when he/she finally hits a problem that you can solve.

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Thank you for your insightful postings and advice,

The most important thing on usenet (and web based discussion groups) is to prove that you *read* the posts and are willing to contribute to the discussion.  As I noted, Steve Leimberg (http://www.leimberg.com) has done just that with the American Bar Association’s mailing lists in areas he’s interested in. And, oh yeah, he also sells materials and gives seminars on marketing to estate planning groups <grin. I found your site to be interesting and stir up some ideas on how to better handle certain marketing situations.  But, especially when dealing with something as potentially "fluffed" as marketing, it really helps to get into a discussion group and give some "nuts and bolts" ideas that show you can move beyond hype. Long ago I discovered that marketing among CPAs was much like billing–how I do it is right and how everyone else does it is wrong <grin.  My suspicion has long been that there are multiple ways to approach the marketing situation, and some work better for certain people than others.  You also need to tailor your marketing to your overall business plan–and multiple plans can be successful. For instance, most CPAs (myself included) have little interest in being a high volume 1040 shop.  But I have met an individual who is extremely successful doing just the sort of returns that most CPAs would swear you could never make money doing.  Now, I may not *WANT* to be in that business (it really helps to be doing what you like), but I will no longer swear it’s a given that there’s no money there.  But it is also clear that the marketing to support that operation is going to be very different from the marketing to support my firm, just as our internal structures are going to be different. And one other little detail (but it’s things like these that impact your credibility on usenet)–you might try posting directly through your ISP’s newsserver rather than via Deja. While there’s nothing wrong with Deja (I use it quite a bit myself), it just makes you look more serious if your posts don’t contain Deja’s little one-liner ad at the end.

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Look, it’s your decision. If you want to not be part of society, do whatever the fuck you want.  But if you choose (look again at that word) to be a part of any group, the group dictates the norm. I am very tired of the people who "want to be different" but don’t want to pay the dues.  Very few of us start our first jobs writing the rules.  You haven’t given any evidence as to why you should be the exception. In fact, those who fight the current have the scars as their glory.  Give me a break. Kavin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple. This will vary across the world obviously but what would you say the affect of having facial piercings would be to getting employment, or on general people’s opinions of you? I ask because I am coming to a tough decision in my life and I’m kind of dumbstruck as to what to do.  I’m a male, 19, who finished college in the summer and got some brilliant results. With what I got and what I eventually want to do, I’ll probably need to go for an office job that requires white collar and suit etc.  The thing is I like being ‘alternative’ to a degree and don’t want to settle down to that kind of situation yet.   I already have a ring near the top of my ear (I forget the actual name for it) and many employers already frown upon this or ask for it to be removed before getting the job.  I for one have no wish to remove it, although if a really exceptional job came along I might do it. I really want my eyebrow pierced again (be the third one) but I’m under pressure from my parents to get a job soon and I’m not sure if I should settle with any old job just because I want a bar stuck in my face. Personally I think it is unfair the way that people judge someone else by the way that they look as much as it is by the colour of their skin, religious beliefs and so forth. I know that if I decide to get my piercing then straight away many job prospects go out the window, although I am sure some companies are ‘modern’ and don’t mind (to a certain extent). I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if you had one done during work, whether or not it made a difference to the way you were treated. I am going into town tomorrow to possibly speak with my piercer although I’m not going to get anything done yet. I feel I want to be different one last time before I settle down although I’m not sure how practical it will be.  Any replies/comments welcome and if I’ve bored you then accept my apologies.

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I agree with Kavin to a point, but here’s a little advice.  If you want a job that dictates what your appearance has to be, you have to go with that.  Do I agree with companies doing that? No, I don’t, but that’s how it is in the real world.  If you really wish to continue with more piercings or other visible body modifications, look into a field where either A) appearance doesn’t matter B) piercings are welcome C) you are indispensable no matter what. So, at 19 with little or no job experience you have to realize, no matter where you work you are "low man" you have to prove yourself. If your piercings are very important to you, get a job where you can keep them, or keep them to body parts that can be covered with normal clothing. Suzy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Look, it’s your decision. If you want to not be part of society, do whatever the fuck you want.  But if you choose (look again at that word) to be a part of any group, the group dictates the norm. I am very tired of the people who "want to be different" but don’t want to pay the dues.  Very few of us start our first jobs writing the rules.  You haven’t given any evidence as to why you should be the exception. In fact, those who fight the current have the scars as their glory.  Give me a break. Kavin Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple. This will vary across the world obviously but what would you say the affect of having facial piercings would be to getting employment, or on general people’s opinions of you? I ask because I am coming to a tough decision in my life and I’m kind of dumbstruck as to what to do.  I’m a male, 19, who finished college in the summer and got some brilliant results. With what I got and what I eventually want to do, I’ll probably need to go for an office job that requires white collar and suit etc.  The thing is I like being ‘alternative’ to a degree and don’t want to settle down to that kind of situation yet.   I already have a ring near the top of my ear (I forget the actual name for it) and many employers already frown upon this or ask for it to be removed before getting the job.  I for one have no wish to remove it, although if a really exceptional job came along I might do it. I really want my eyebrow pierced again (be the third one) but I’m under pressure from my parents to get a job soon and I’m not sure if I should settle with any old job just because I want a bar stuck in my face. Personally I think it is unfair the way that people judge someone else by the way that they look as much as it is by the colour of their skin, religious beliefs and so forth. I know that if I decide to get my piercing then straight away many job prospects go out the window, although I am sure some companies are ‘modern’ and don’t mind (to a certain extent). I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if you had one done during work, whether or not it made a difference to the way you were treated. I am going into town tomorrow to possibly speak with my piercer although I’m not going to get anything done yet. I feel I want to be different one last time before I settle down although I’m not sure how practical it will be.  Any replies/comments welcome and if I’ve bored you then accept my apologies.

– "Just say no" prevents teenage pregnancy the way ‘Have a nice day’ cures chronic depression. visit me @   http://www.geocities.com/suzytony.geo or   http://www.geocities.com/suzylove.geo

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<<I ask because I am coming to a tough decision in my life and I’m kind of dumbstruck as to what to do. Go rent "Kicking and Screaming" and "Reality Bites." <<The thing is I like being ‘alternative’ to a degree and don’t want to settle down to that kind of situation yet. Then don’t.  But be prepared to accept the consequences of being "alternative" with the advantages. I think you know the answer to everything you’ve asked, but you want us to give you validation. <<Personally I think it is unfair the way that people judge someone else by the way that they look as much as it is by the colour of their skin, religious beliefs and so forth. Oh, boo-hoo.   Things like magenta-dyed hair and pierced eyebrows are elective; ethnicity and gender aren’t (at least not reasonably so).  I think it trivializes genuine discrimination when somebody gripes that they can’t get a job with their multi-piercings and general freakitude.   <<I know that if I decide to get my piercing then straight away many job prospects go out the window, although I am sure some companies are ‘modern’ and don’t mind (to a certain extent). It’s a choice you have to make.  Nobody else can do it for you. <<I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work. I’m looking for a new job now, which is why I’m holding off on getting my lip pierced — I don’t know if the potential employers I’ll be dealing with would object.  At this point, I need a steady income more than another hole in my head.  It’s a trade-off I’m willing to make.  If you’re not willing to do so, you may have to face the consequence of not being considered for some positions. Make your choice, and live with it.  It’s very existentialist — making choices and taking responsibility for them.  Go read _Transcendence of Ego_ after you watch "Reality Bites." Think of all the adults out there with visible tattoos or piercings. Certainly they’re not all gathering unemployment checks or working as sideshow freaks. -Meghan http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html "I think, therefore I’m single."  — Liz Winston

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I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if you had one done during work, whether or not it made a difference to the way you were treated.

Depends on what kind of work you do.  Computer programming (for example) tends to be a little looser in terms of personal style than, say, accounting.  Without knowing what kind of work you’re looking for, it’s hard to say what corporate culture might demand of you. I haven’t removed anything due to work, and a fair number of women where I work have nostril pierces so I don’t envision anyone going ballistic when I get one.  I am putting off getting an industrial for a while, but that’s more because of the discomfort factor involved in wearing headphones all day than anything else. Cat — "I dare you to be real – to touch a flickering flame" (Bauhaus)     Cat O’Blivion    http://www.vineyard.net/~sgorton/cat        - to reply, remove the attic from the madwoman –

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<<yes things are changing but it will be years before we even see a Pres with an earring…..unless Jesse the Body runs that is……so until then Can’t we just elect Bill Bradley and pierce him once he’s in office?   Besides, I’m not thinking the original poster is American … note the spelling of "colour."   -Meghan http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html "I think, therefore I’m single."  — Liz Winston

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It sounds to me that you are being a bit of a winer ….if you want body mods than that should be your main concern …..not the after affects i.e. getting a job. I quit my last job in sept and have been unemployed since ….I am now looking for a job and found it to be pretty easy .Im sure I will have a job by friday . It all comes down to presenting your self! If you walk in wearing a nice suit and half 1/2 inch flesh tunnels in your ears they probly wont care but if you stink like beer and have a slayer shirt on your a dud! Not that  dont like slayer but thats just the way it is . Just my opinion though! —keith " is that toilet paper on your chin?"—poop dick pappy

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Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple. This will vary across the world obviously but what would you say the affect of having facial piercings would be to getting employment, or on general people’s opinions of you? I ask because I am coming to a tough decision in my life and I’m kind of dumbstruck as to what to do.  I’m a male, 19, who finished college in the summer and got some brilliant results. With what I got and what I eventually want to do, I’ll probably need to go for an office job that requires white collar and suit etc.  The thing is I like being ‘alternative’ to a degree and don’t want to settle down to that kind of situation yet.   I already have a ring near the top of my ear (I forget the actual name for it) and many employers already frown upon this or ask for it to be removed before getting the job.  I for one have no wish to remove it, although if a really exceptional job came along I might do it. I really want my eyebrow pierced again (be the third one) but I’m under pressure from my parents to get a job soon and I’m not sure if I should settle with any old job just because I want a bar stuck in my face. Personally I think it is unfair the way that people judge someone else by the way that they look as much as it is by the colour of their skin, religious beliefs and so forth. I know that if I decide to get my piercing then straight away many job prospects go out the window, although I am sure some companies are ‘modern’ and don’t mind (to a certain extent). I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if you had one done during work, whether or not it made a difference to the way you were treated. I am going into town tomorrow to possibly speak with my piercer although I’m not going to get anything done yet. I feel I want to be different one last time before I settle down although I’m not sure how practical it will be.  Any replies/comments welcome and if I’ve bored you then accept my apologies.

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Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple.

<snip the other stuff look real simple….either you do or you don’t….until we get Pres in office who did inhale, and wasn’t banging an intern but was just showing off his new Prince Albert……things are as they are…. and that means us spiffy types with ink in our skins and not "normal" holes in our bodies are going to be considered outcast…. that comes with a price…your either willing to pay it or not …you have to choose…. yes things are changing but it will be years before we even see a Pres with an earring…..unless Jesse the Body runs that is……so until then always remember…..yes you are judged on your appearance as well as your abilities…..most employers decide wether or not they are hiring you by the time you shake their hand…. life is not fair…..welcome to reality….it sucks but its amusing at times Wisdom consists in rising superior, both to madness and common sense  And in lending oneself to the universal  illusion without becoming it’s dupe.  - Henry-Frederic Amiel

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R I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about R whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if         it depends how much you want the piercing & how much shit you’re willing to go through to keep the piercing.         i’m talking about retainers. it’s a pain to take out the jewelry all the time, but if you want that bar when you’re not being paid to look professional, it’s worth the effort. lish 33.2% / 32

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If you want to wear a facial piercing in order to carry some kind of badge that you are different, an eyebrow is not very effective.  So many people ask for some kind of retainer for their facial piercings: these rarely work well. Either keep your eyebrow pierced or leave it alone for now.  Piercers will still know how to pierce eyebrows five years from now. It sounds like you are on the edge of becoming "assimilated".  I would hope that you either turn away now or submit to your environment and then run away screaming into a space where you can explore yourself. You can have hundreds of pieces of jewelry on– under your clothes.  And many do… -Louisa

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<<yes things are changing but it will be years before we even see a Pres with an earring…..unless Jesse the Body runs that is……so until then Can’t we just elect Bill Bradley and pierce him once he’s in office?

hell no I want a proffesional Wrestler for Pres…. Besides, I’m not thinking the original poster is American … note the spelling of "colour."

thats far to subtle for me to notice…..LOL….. R.Knox…..aka RevPhule light travels faster than sound,  isn’t that why some people appear bright until you hear them speak?

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With what I got and what I eventually want to do, I’ll probably need to go for an office job that requires white collar and suit etc.

I look at it like this.  I could probably get away with an eyebrow or nostril pierce where I work.  The board members all know me and were won over by my work in spite of my "alternative" spiked hair and cartilage piercings.  However, when I first started it was a little bit of a problem. Some of the board were a little hesitant to work with me and whispered about my "wild" looks.  (for the record I think I look quite normal) This trust didn’t happen overnight.  It’s something that you have to build with your employer.  The white collar and suit doesn’t have to be forever. You don’t have to say goodbye to the rest of your life just because you put them on.  Look at it as a stepping stone to where you want to be, gainfully employed and pierced visibly. So get a job, ya bum!  :-) Michelle

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In fact, those who fight the current have the scars as their glory. Kavin

I just had to say, that damn, that’s a good way of putting that! Vargr www.gawth.com/~desolate

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As a museum director in small town historical societies over 24 years, I knew enough to have my nipples pierced 18 years ago, a pa and frenu, that I don’t share at work and are not visible.  I enjoy them and so do my real friends, but there has been no disruption or problems at "straight" jobs in small towns.  Thanks.  Lockett Ford Ballard, Jr. aka titrings/iowacity/ia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree with Kavin to a point, but here’s a little advice.  If you want a job that dictates what your appearance has to be, you have to go with that.  Do I agree with companies doing that? No, I don’t, but that’s how it is in the real world.  If you really wish to continue with more piercings or other visible body modifications, look into a field where either A) appearance doesn’t matter B) piercings are welcome C) you are indispensable no matter what. So, at 19 with little or no job experience you have to realize, no matter where you work you are "low man" you have to prove yourself. If your piercings are very important to you, get a job where you can keep them, or keep them to body parts that can be covered with normal clothing. Suzy Look, it’s your decision. If you want to not be part of society, do whatever the fuck you want.  But if you choose (look again at that word) to be a part of any group, the group dictates the norm. I am very tired of the people who "want to be different" but don’t want to pay the dues.  Very few of us start our first jobs writing the rules.  You haven’t given any evidence as to why you should be the exception. In fact, those who fight the current have the scars as their glory.  Give me a break. Kavin Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple. This will vary across the world obviously but what would you say the affect of having facial piercings would be to getting employment, or on general people’s opinions of you? I ask because I am coming to a tough decision in my life and I’m kind of dumbstruck as to what to do.  I’m a male, 19, who finished college in the summer and got some brilliant results. With what I got and what I eventually want to do, I’ll probably need to go for an office job that requires white collar and suit etc.  The thing is I like being ‘alternative’ to a degree and don’t want to settle down to that kind of situation yet.   I already have a ring near the top of my ear (I forget the actual name for it) and many employers already frown upon this or ask for it to be removed before getting the job.  I for one have no wish to remove it, although if a really exceptional job came along I might do it. I really want my eyebrow pierced again (be the third one) but I’m under pressure from my parents to get a job soon and I’m not sure if I should settle with any old job just because I want a bar stuck in my face. Personally I think it is unfair the way that people judge someone else by the way that they look as much as it is by the colour of their skin, religious beliefs and so forth. I know that if I decide to get my piercing then straight away many job prospects go out the window, although I am sure some companies are ‘modern’ and don’t mind (to a certain extent). I was wondering therefore, if any of you have been forced to think about whether or not to get a piercing done, or removed due to work.  And if you had one done during work, whether or not it made a difference to the way you were treated. I am going into town tomorrow to possibly speak with my piercer although I’m not going to get anything done yet. I feel I want to be different one last time before I settle down although I’m not sure how practical it will be.  Any replies/comments welcome and if I’ve bored you then accept my apologies. — "Just say no" prevents teenage pregnancy the way ‘Have a nice day’ cures chronic depression. visit me @   http://www.geocities.com/suzytony.geo or   http://www.geocities.com/suzylove.geo

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Hey, society’s a game. If you keep the rules and don’t break any expectations, you are treated like all the other nice (and not-so-nice) people out there. If you don’t fit into the common pattern, you are logically treated as someone who doesn’t bend to the norms. And as soon as you _consciously decide_ not to fit the pattern, you’re regarded as some kind of anti-social freak. You don’t adhere to the rules, they don’t have to either. I think that’s just how it is. Either you decide to play with the rules, or you decide to be an individual regardless of society’s reactions. But if you do the latter, don’t expect others to treat you like you’d fit into their world. — just my two cents… Nina Things like magenta-dyed hair and pierced eyebrows are elective; ethnicity and gender aren’t (at least not reasonably so).  I think it trivializes genuine discrimination when somebody gripes that they can’t get a job with their multi-piercings and general freakitude.

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Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple.

<snip the rest i went through the same thing two years ago…..i didnt remove any of my jewelry (which included stretched ears and a labret ring) and let my credentials and personality stand for themselves. i got the job, along with a whole bunch of comments about my looks. no, i am not a "white collar" worker. i am a mechanic, who does deal with the public everyday.  my boss figured if he could handle it so could the public (it IS almost the year 2000 right?). i say, do what you want, and let youre credentials speak for themselves. a good employer will overlook how you look and see the professional side of you.

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<<Two words: Social Work.  I am one of 3 facially pierced youth crisis center workers on a team of about 12, and theres no problem with it. I know a lady with about 15% facial tattoo coverage who works almost exclusively in social work type jobs. Gee, maybe that’s because they’re so absolutely desperate for people to take social work positions they won’t turn someone away because of something like mods.  :-)   I’ve worked in two inpatient facilities (mental hospital, and an addiction treatment center) and was required to cover my eyebrow ring with a band-aid while at work at both places; yhey didn’t want it to get ripped out if I happened to be in the fray (which I sometimes was).  So it wasn’t because they were tight-asses, it was safety-related. I always worked well with younger people because they thought I was hip and streetwise — I had piercings!  However, sometimes older people (especially immigrants) aren’t as receptive to mods, which can impede the effectiveness of a caseworker. It really depends on the population you work with. -Meghan (former social work major — I wised up http://nettrash.com/users/meghan/enter.html Ask me about my existential angst.

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-Meghan (former social work major — I wised up

wised up? you’re a philosophy major whatcha gonna do with a philosophy degree anyhow? ;p — luke http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/7221 "Kimmy, when you were young were you ever molested and left for dead, but somehow survived and were raised by a she-wolf?"-WyrdWoman RAB 10/99

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Sorry if the topic sounds a bit vague, I just wanted to keep it simple. <snip the rest

          Two words: Social Work.   I am one of 3 facially pierced youth crisis center workers on a team of about 12, and theres no problem with it. I know a lady with about 15% facial tattoo coverage who works almost exclusively in social work type jobs.     19 and out of college? lucky!           -Moth

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Thanks for your comments, and I realise it’s down to myself to decide whether or not to go through with it.  As far as my career decisions go, I’m putting them on the back burner for now and just concentrating on the ‘any old job’ path.  As long as my employers can accept me for what I am then I’ll be happy. Cheers everyone.

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There are a few – a VERY few – bookkeeping/accounting programs that allow period-end dates other than a month-end, and QB is not one of them. Nevertheless, many businesses do terminate accounting periods at other dates.  "Last Friday of the month" is extremely common.  In my own experience, all such businesses practice a fiction – they account for all transactions after the "accounting cut-off" as if they occur in the following month, and date them accordingly.  Exceptions are made for genuinely significant transactions that occur in "the stub period".  The use of "accounting cut-off dates" is widely practised (though less so in the computer age than previously).  I knew some large corporations that "cut off" as early as the 15th of the month, though I expect that most of them now use somewhat later dates. As Tom Healy notes, I’m not aware of any jurisdiction that permits non-month-end dates for tax purposes.  I was once involved in the audit of a very large corporation that actually specified in its charter a year-end date of "last Friday before Christmas", and all financial statements were prepared with that caption, except that the published Annual Report of the parent corporation was published with a fictitious (!) December 31 date.  This company recorded no business transactions in the days between its legal year-end and the calendar year-end – and all tax returns were filed as of the calendar year-end. "Errors" that are reported as a result of these practices are rarely significant.  Remember that accounting often depends upon estimates which, by definition, cannot be entirely accurate; obvious examples are depreciation and amortization.  Accountants understand that financial statements inevitably incorporate certain errors and estimates. By the way, why do you insist that your period-end is the 15th? And have you discussed these issues with your accountant?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – anyone know how to set-up the file if my year-end is lets say July 15th rather than the end of the month. It seems that you can only specify the first month in the fiscal year. This is no good because all the reports will default to the wrong period and the retained earnings figures will be incorrect. Jess Hennan

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I’m sorry, I should have specified that I’m in Canada, its not extremely common but I have several clients with year-ends that fit this description. I believe that its acceptable practice , although uncommon, for Cdn tax purposes. I’m trying to set one of them up on quickbooks and didn’t realize this dilemma until after I’d recommeded that they purchase the program. I just looked at my Simply 7.0 and it appears that I can enter a non month end year end. Anyways, thanks for the detailed response… maybe I can get them to return QB and get Simply. Jess – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a few – a VERY few – bookkeeping/accounting programs that allow period-end dates other than a month-end, and QB is not one of them. Nevertheless, many businesses do terminate accounting periods at other dates.  "Last Friday of the month" is extremely common.  In my own experience, all such businesses practice a fiction – they account for all transactions after the "accounting cut-off" as if they occur in the following month, and date them accordingly.  Exceptions are made for genuinely significant transactions that occur in "the stub period".  The use of "accounting cut-off dates" is widely practised (though less so in the computer age than previously).  I knew some large corporations that "cut off" as early as the 15th of the month, though I expect that most of them now use somewhat later dates. As Tom Healy notes, I’m not aware of any jurisdiction that permits non-month-end dates for tax purposes.  I was once involved in the audit of a very large corporation that actually specified in its charter a year-end date of "last Friday before Christmas", and all financial statements were prepared with that caption, except that the published Annual Report of the parent corporation was published with a fictitious (!) December 31 date.  This company recorded no business transactions in the days between its legal year-end and the calendar year-end – and all tax returns were filed as of the calendar year-end. "Errors" that are reported as a result of these practices are rarely significant.  Remember that accounting often depends upon estimates which, by definition, cannot be entirely accurate; obvious examples are depreciation and amortization.  Accountants understand that financial statements inevitably incorporate certain errors and estimates. By the way, why do you insist that your period-end is the 15th? And have you discussed these issues with your accountant? anyone know how to set-up the file if my year-end is lets say July 15th rather than the end of the month. It seems that you can only specify the first month in the fiscal year. This is no good because all the reports will default to the wrong period and the retained earnings figures will be incorrect. Jess Hennan

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anyone know how to set-up the file if my year-end is lets say July 15th rather than the end of the month. It seems that you can only specify the first month in the fiscal year. This is no good because all the reports will default to the wrong period and the retained earnings figures will be incorrect. Jess Hennan

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anyone know how to set-up the file if my year-end is lets say July 15th rather than the end of the month. It seems that you can only specify the first month in the fiscal year. This is no good because all the reports will default to the wrong period and the retained earnings figures will be incorrect.

For tax accounting, you can’t have such a year end unless the company terminates on that date. The only "odd" dates for month/year ends are if you chose a 52/53 week fiscal year ending on a given day of the month (i.e., the last Sunday of the month, or the Sunday nearest the end of the month-which might be at the beginning of the next month. QuickBooks doesn’t do those either, so you’ll have to type in the dates for each report. Tom –Solving your tax and business problems with Professional Service…Personal Attention Web: http://members.aol.com/thealycpa/Tom_Healy_CPA.html

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Just throwing this into the ether … I have been given the awesome task of redesigning our company database. The objective is to centralise company data so that it can be accessed by all employees from three sites through the UK. The problem is that each database has a different structure because each is being used for a different purpose. Is this essentially a question of finding the common elements and then standardising the field codes? My concern is finding out which is the most up-to-date data and controlling who updates the information. In addition, because a good deal of the data is incomplete, would a customer questionnaire work or would a tele-marketing campaign be better (given that there are over 6000 addresses!) And, there is a lot of information which the customer is not likely to know the specifics of, such as their SIC number. Any ideas or real-world experiences of successes or pitfalls would be handy to have. Rgds, Kieth Naylor      MBMM       *DIGEST VERSIONS*      MEM   Go to http://markethink.com/lists/ to subscribe

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We have been successful with a product called Goldmine- we had 7 different databases to consolidate. We grabbed all the common fields, added the unique ones, then built a unified database. Goldmine has a neat way of synchronizing between sites, and between users. We started 2 years ago with 2700 names, now have 18,000. Tech support, sales, customer service, accounting, and marketing all have different data views- to see their ’stuff’ in their layout; and filters to keep data private or viewed as needed. Leib Lurie

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Kieth, I’ve been working on converting sales/contact databases for Centiour Energy an electric utility in the US that is trying to win the deregulation war. Anyhow, sales/contact management databases are very challenging, you need basic contact info then there is all this "other" data that may be important to people in accounting, and other data is important to sales, and then some data is important to just the product your selling/cross-selling, ie a buyer of perfumes may be a buyer of moisturers.  A buy of computers may be a candidate for projection screen tvs.  Buyers of both may be prospects for home theater sound and on and on. So, a you need to decide what this database is worth first.  That way you can say ok my software developer we think by making this db do all of the above it will mean an extra profit of 6million dollars so you can spend x% of this.  And go from there. I would recommend using a web based app if possible. As far as updates in the US we’ll send out postcards with address correction requested and update accordingly as a first step. Hope this helps, Peter Newell Newell&Associates Client/Server Specialists

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I am looking for accounting software that does not use a check register.  No checks written.  2 invoices only.  100 pieces of inventory.  Must track inventory and cash flow.  Already have created reports, now need the software.  Any suggestions?

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We are a systems integrater/computer reseller currently using a DOS based accounting system designed for computer resellers (AMI), but would like to migrate over to a Win/Win95 system soon. Are there Windows based accounting systems that were designed for computer resellers/VARs? I know we can use a generic system, but would prefer something designed for our industry. Dale Whitney

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We are a systems integrater/computer reseller currently using a DOS based accounting system designed for computer resellers (AMI), but would like to migrate over to a Win/Win95 system soon. Are there Windows based accounting systems that were designed for computer resellers/VARs? I know we can use a generic system, but would prefer something designed for our industry. Dale Whitney

Dale:   The software featured at http://excelco.com/mystery.htm  is well- suited to your needs.  There are 28 modules from which to choose.  Four of these are related to service management:  Service Orders, Service Invoicing, Contract Management, and Equipment Servicing.  It features excellent back office functions and has a fully implemented serialized, multi-location inventory with automated purchasing.  It has a contact management system that features complete drill down from prospect/client conversation to full details of past purchases, past invoices, payment histories — even into follow-ups on errors, complaints or referrals. It has the ability to create quotes, turn them into orders, track closing ratios, etc.  I know of several installations in computer sales organizations with volumes ranging from $5M annually to $60M. inventory.   It has been chosen by at least two major computer store franchise organizations to recommend to their franchisees. It is also well-suited to any organization in the distribution or supplies industries, expecially when there are related services. There is more info regarding other accounting systems at our home page.  See the URLs in my sig., below. — John Mosier, excelco   voice: (800) 553-6911      fax: (602) 952-0449 4917 E Thomas, #150    http://excelco.com/swinfo.htm   SouthWare Info Phoenix, AZ 85018      http://excelco.com/  Accounting System Selector – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  CHRIST is Head of ALL!  http://www.thechristian.org  <<<<<<<<<

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