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SEC’s Pitt Calls for Stock Option Reforms By Jackie Spinner Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, April 5, 2002; Page E03 Corporations should not be able to freely hand out stock options to senior executives without more input from shareholders and independent directors of the company, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey L. Pitt said yesterday. <snip Options should be awarded by a committee of independent directors to executives who oversee sustained growth at a company and should not be based on short-term earnings growth, Pitt said in a speech at Northwestern University in Chicago. <snip One proposed reform that Pitt has not embraced would require companies to treat stock options as an expense. Some proponents of the change say the current system allows companies to use options to attract and retain top executives without taking a hit to the bottom line. Pitt did not address that issue yesterday. "That is a dog that is not barking in this speech," said Lynn Stout, a securities law professor at the University of California in Los Angeles. "The real problem lies in the accounting treatment of stock options. His failure to address that issue is quite notable." — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SEC’s Pitt Calls for Stock Option Reforms By Jackie Spinner Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, April 5, 2002; Page E03 Corporations should not be able to freely hand out stock options to senior executives without more input from shareholders and independent directors of the company, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey L. Pitt said yesterday. <snip Options should be awarded by a committee of independent directors to executives who oversee sustained growth at a company and should not be based on short-term earnings growth, Pitt said in a speech at Northwestern University in Chicago. <snip One proposed reform that Pitt has not embraced would require companies to treat stock options as an expense. Some proponents of the change say the current system allows companies to use options to attract and retain top executives without taking a hit to the bottom line. Pitt did not address that issue yesterday. "That is a dog that is not barking in this speech," said Lynn Stout, a securities law professor at the University of California in Los Angeles. "The real problem lies in the accounting treatment of stock options. His failure to address that issue is quite notable."

As mentioned in previous posts, GWB’s appointment of Pitt incited skepticism. Based on information available publicly, Pitt appears to be someone who wets his finger, sees which direction the wind is blowing, and walks slowly in that direction lest the wind change. This description fits the usual definition of "amoral". Pitt, like the Big 4 and others profiting from the "soft occupational fraud system", will try and wait out the storm, do nothing that would really rock the boat, and soon get back to business (= doing and condoning creative accounting) as usual. A. Lucien Meyers, CIA, CMA — If you receive this by error, please delete it and inform the sender. PGP Key fingerprint=F1C0 D9AE 1B18 1405 4DFA  B4CC 6DC7 FF78 C76E FB15 To Big Brother Echelon from "spook": strategic Waco, Texas World Trade Center Honduras SDI kibo cryptographic

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<<SNIP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One proposed reform that Pitt has not embraced would require companies to treat stock options as an expense. Some proponents of the change say the current system allows companies to use options to attract and retain top executives without taking a hit to the bottom line. Pitt did not address that issue yesterday. "That is a dog that is not barking in this speech," said Lynn Stout, a securities law professor at the University of California in Los Angeles. "The real problem lies in the accounting treatment of stock options. His failure to address that issue is quite notable." As mentioned in previous posts, GWB’s appointment of Pitt incited skepticism. Based on information available publicly, Pitt appears to be someone who wets his finger, sees which direction the wind is blowing, and walks slowly in that direction lest the wind change. This description fits the usual definition of "amoral". Pitt, like the Big 4 and others profiting from the "soft occupational fraud system", will try and wait out the storm, do nothing that would really rock the boat, and soon get back to business (= doing and condoning creative accounting) as usual.

That is exactly my working hypothesis of Mr. Pitt. I do hope, Lucien, that you and I are mistaken about him. Regards, Bill

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Well due to these facts I am back here ready to hit the Lo carb wagon for good this time I know these are the wrong reasons to lose and i should do it for myself first but hey we gotta start somewhere .

Well it seems to me that if your reason for losing is that you want to be attractive, that’s doing it for you. Unless you are doing it to be attractive to a particular person, it’s really for you. Even if you’re doing it because you don’t want to think someone is talking about you like "that fat guy" it’s still for you. Whatever is important to you is a good enough reason. I think one of the main things we have to work on is what happens when we’re at goal? Will my reasons for getting to goal, once they’re now reality, make me happy, and give me what I want? If I have every reason to expect they will, and think about what might happen if they won’t, then I’m better off. I’m just curious, do these kids give men older than 30 the time of day when they’re discussing who’s hot? I wonder what other prejudices they have? They’re attitudes might change of course, when they grow up a bit. I’m just curious (hard to understand the mind of a kid LOL.) ….. Atkins Newbie Since 7/12/2001 188/179/105

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I  know what i am about to say is gonna make some of yall annoyed at me,but here recently I have made friends with about 4 young women 19-20 year olds.I am in my 30s and I am guessing they like to hang out with me cause they feel safe around me being the token older fat guy.lol  They of course just want to be  just friends with me.My point is tho that I have been to clubs  and out about with these girls and they will actually make statements like I am gonna F%^ that guy or that guy (or girl 2 are Bi)….is hot  they never give anyone who doesn’t have a perfect body the time of day ,so if we as guys put that same kind of pressure on women it is awful that it goes both ways like that.Well due to these facts I am back here ready to hit the Lo carb wagon for good this time I know these are the wrong reasons to lose and i should do it for myself first but hey we gotta start somewhere .Ok my rant is over now.i’m off to get me a new york strip see yall later. (ya bunch of losers) LOL http://community.webtv.net/domjo/Joesbigfish

You’re not a contender with this crowd – you’re a safe escort. Not that they may not like you – but it’s in a big brotherly way just like you suspect. Don’t waste your time thinking you’re going to have sex with any of them (unless they just get drunk and horny and then regret it in the morning.) But – if you’re just out having fun with good friends… that’s a whole different ball game. Are you? It doesn’t sound to me like you have much in common with them. Anyway – I agree with the other comments that wanting to be thin and sexy is just as good a motivation for dieting and exercise as any other. Worked for me! But if you want to meet compatible women, I would look elsewhere. -Adam the been-there, done-that 240/185/190 low-carb for LIFE

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Okay I just don’t see the problem here, hanging out in clubs with 4 attractive 20 year olds, some of which are bi?  That’s a problem?  Wanna trade places?  You can change my 8 month old boy’s diapers and read the same f***g book to my 3.5 year old daughter for the millionth time, and I’ll go clubbing with the sluts.  Sounds like a love pile in the making! *Sigh* … Okay Mike, fantasy time over….back to reality. On a serious note, I don’t think it matters if you’re male or female, when you are scoping people out, you’re going to pay attention to the hottest ones.  Thats the way it generally works.  Girls do have the advantage though, because for them it’s generally easier to act on the impulses (ever know an unattached guy refuse no strings attached sex with even a moderately attractive girl?). On a positive note, look at it this way, even if these girls are just hanging with you for someother reason than the love pile mentioned above, lots of other people are looking at you thinking "You da Man!",  and wondering what you have that they don’t (i.e. lot’s of coin or hung like a mule).  You don’t even (and shouldn’t) have to lie and tell people your involved in a 5-some, just let them wonder….. Have fun with it, if you don’t you will regret it when you are older and changing diapers, it will give you something to look back on with a smile. Mike

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wondering what you have that they don’t (i.e. lot’s of coin or hung like a mule).

LOL! I would have known this was a post by a man just from this one thought. Possessing money (read: power) and being hung (perceived sexual superiority) are important to most men. However, that doesn’t mean those are the qualities that all women consider of primary importance in a man. I would further argue that men who believe, from their own experience, that all a woman wants is a rich man with a big penis, have been making poor choices in female companionship.(G)

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LOL! I would have known this was a post by a man just from this one thought. Possessing money (read: power) and being hung (perceived sexual superiority) are important to most men. However, that doesn’t mean those are the qualities that all women consider of primary importance in a man. I would further argue that men who believe, from their own experience, that all a woman wants is a rich man with a big penis, have been making poor choices in female companionship.(G)

I guess the other guys would think the women thought that though, so the original theory still holds. Money is nice. Nice is nicer. Bigger, on the other hand is sometimes painful. ….. Atkins Newbie Since 7/12/2001 188/179/105

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It was mostly said in jest, my roomates used to kid me about it when I started dating my wife.  She was 21 at the time and I was 29, and they were always saying "She’s so young and hot, what could she possibly see in you, did you tell her you have a trust fund or have you been stuffing a Nerf ball in your pants".  Oh well, jokes on them, we’re married and happy and have 2 beautiful kids, so she must have seen something. But on the other hand, if you don’t think that $$ is important to a lot of women you are kidding yourself, and I’m not just talking about the hard core gold diggers that marry 80 year old rich guys.  It is definitely a ‘factor’. A good friend of mine from college became pretty well off by starting his own litigation consulting business after severl years with a Big 5 accounting firm.  When we were in our late 20’s, we used to go out quite a bit.  Sometimes we took my car (1984 jeep CJ-7) and sometimes we took his new LandRover.  It was unbelievable how many more girls come over and be ‘friendly’ when they see you pull up in a $60K car.  There’s just a lot of girls out there that are not going to be interested in you if you are a janitor (no offense to any janitors). Moral of the story: if you’re not rich, it’s fun to have rich friends. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LOL! I would have known this was a post by a man just from this one thought. Possessing money (read: power) and being hung (perceived sexual superiority) are important to most men. However, that doesn’t mean those are the qualities that all women consider of primary importance in a man. I would further argue that men who believe, from their own experience, that all a woman wants is a rich man with a big penis, have been making poor choices in female companionship.(G)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was mostly said in jest, my roomates used to kid me about it when I started dating my wife.  She was 21 at the time and I was 29, and they were always saying "She’s so young and hot, what could she possibly see in you, did you tell her you have a trust fund or have you been stuffing a Nerf ball in your pants".  Oh well, jokes on them, we’re married and happy and have 2 beautiful kids, so she must have seen something. But on the other hand, if you don’t think that $$ is important to a lot of women you are kidding yourself, and I’m not just talking about the hard core gold diggers that marry 80 year old rich guys.  It is definitely a ‘factor’. A good friend of mine from college became pretty well off by starting his own litigation consulting business after severl years with a Big 5 accounting firm.  When we were in our late 20’s, we used to go out quite a bit.  Sometimes we took my car (1984 jeep CJ-7) and sometimes we took his new LandRover.  It was unbelievable how many more girls come over and be ‘friendly’ when they see you pull up in a $60K car.  There’s just a lot of girls out there that are not going to be interested in you if you are a janitor (no offense to any janitors). Moral of the story: if you’re not rich, it’s fun to have rich friends.

Moral of the story is that no one is worse than anyone else.  All people have the ability to be assholes.  Go to place where you find rich men, you find gold digging women.  Go to a place where you have rich women (a place where I happen to live and work) and you find gold digging men. Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com "We are all awaiting the instant gratification granted us through the blessed affirmations of Her Royal Highness, The SlackMistress."                                                       -Mike Turco

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Hey Joe, I’m female, & I have to say that my sex drive is *definitely* higher & wilder than most of the boyfriends i have that i see that i want to fuck are usually not the *pretty boys* That’s not because i’m not good looking myself, (I have stripped It seems like i always want to fuck the slightly geeky, off-center, sometimes overweight/chubby looking guys. It’s not like I am so obese myself to want guys like this, (you saw my stats) I just seem to gravitate towards guys that would be able to handle me, and probably really kinky in the sack. I don’t prefer really skinny guys. So, there are girlzzz out there like me who WILL give the time of day to guys whom might be overweight and slightly imperfect compared to societies rules. cheers! xoxoxo Jill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I  know what i am about to say is gonna make some of yall annoyed at me,but here recently I have made friends with about 4 young women 19-20 year olds.I am in my 30s and I am guessing they like to hang out with me cause they feel safe around me being the token older fat guy.lol  They of course just want to be  just friends with me.My point is tho that I have been to clubs  and out about with these girls and they will actually make statements like I am gonna F%^ that guy or that guy (or girl 2 are Bi)….is hot  they never give anyone who doesn’t have a perfect body the time of day ,so if we as guys put that same kind of pressure on women it is awful that it goes both ways like that.Well due to these facts I am back here ready to hit the Lo carb wagon for good this time I know these are the wrong reasons to lose and i should do it for myself first but hey we gotta start somewhere .Ok my rant is over now.i’m off to get me a new york strip see yall later. (ya bunch of losers) LOL http://community.webtv.net/domjo/Joesbigfish

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I never said ALL women (or you) take money into consideration.  I said that some do, that’s all.  Same way some men want girls with big breasts and others couldn’t care less.  I applaud you for your convictions, but please don’t twist my comment into an all-inclusive statement. Mike

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Well, if that’s what it’s going to take to get/keep you on track… What do these women look like that you were with?  Did they have *perfect* bodies?  Were there women there who were a tad *less* than ideal?  Did you fantasize about them as the women you were with fantasized about the other men?  Men (broad generalization here) are just as bad when it comes to sizing up women. Not all women draw conclusions at the physical package (nor do all men.)  FWIW, my s/o met me at the start of my low-carbing journey. I was at 300 pounds.  We’re still together.  He’s very supportive of my efforts and very pleased with what I’ve accomplished even though he and I know I’ll never be "model perfect".  And, he’s not a "perfect bod" either.  He is, however,  one of the most gentle and sensitive men I’ve ever been involved with, and treats me as though I have a brain in my head.  I shudder to think what I would have passed up if I had gone on looks alone. None of this is a slam at you.  I agree with the post that suggested you hang with a different group of people.  I think these girls will probably always think of you as just "one of the guys" or as a big brother no matter how buff you become. Good luck! *****snip*****   they never give anyone who doesn’t have a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -perfect body the time of day ,so if we as guys put that same kind of pressure on women it is awful that it goes both ways like that.Well due

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Mike – janitor, hell!  I’m in the wrong profession – the custodian at the school where I teach makes more than I do!!!!! :0) — Bird 170/145/125 5′2" Info about the Lowcarb Get-together in St. Louis: http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stlouis.html Join us September 14-16! Lowcarb Stories to Warm the Heart: http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/stories.html JOIN US on the Undernet #lowcarb Channel! http://www.jaxworld.com/lowcarb/irc.html for info

There’s just a lot of | girls out there that are not going to be interested in you if you are a | janitor (no offense to any janitors).

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I never said ALL women (or you) take money into consideration.  I said that some do, that’s all.  

Actually, you said "A lot"  "A lot" is different than some. Your words: But on the other hand, if you don’t think that $$ is important to a lot of women you are kidding yourself, and I’m not just talking about the hard core gold diggers that marry 80 year old rich guys.  It is definitely a ‘factor’. Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com "We are all awaiting the instant gratification granted us through the blessed affirmations of Her Royal Highness, The SlackMistress."                                                       -Mike Turco

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Well techincally it’s not, ‘a lot’ falls under the general catagory of ’some’, but I see your point. Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never said ALL women (or you) take money into consideration.  I said that some do, that’s all. Actually, you said "A lot"  "A lot" is different than some. Your words: But on the other hand, if you don’t think that $$ is important to a lot of women you are kidding yourself, and I’m not just talking about the hard core gold diggers that marry 80 year old rich guys.  It is definitely a ‘factor’. Cheers, Nina — http://www.theslack.com "We are all awaiting the instant gratification granted us through the blessed affirmations of Her Royal Highness, The SlackMistress."                                                       -Mike Turco

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That’s because he’s a Sanitation Engineer (as an actual Engineer with BSME, I always hated how people freely add the term Engineer to a position title). Actually my first thought was to use a plumber, but I know what I just paid my plumber to install a new hot water heater, and maybe I wasted 50 grand on that Engineering degree…. Mike

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Speaking as a formerly chubby, off-center, slightly geeky computer programer, all I can say is THANK GOD FOR GIRLS LIKE YOU…(and why didn’t I run into your type more often when I was single). Mike

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Ah Mike, just my type- a programmer! I took programming one year and learned Cobol, Visual Basic, C, and C++.  I was hoping that i could one day become a gamez programmer (Doom, Quake, ect)  Found out quickly I couldn’t write a C program for shit!  My dreams changed and i stuck with HTML and Flash. From a back end dream to a flaky front end reality. This big titted blonde bimbo(me) couldn’t handle C.  I even remember having hard times with Cobol! So for me, opposites attract!! –snip—- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking as a formerly chubby, off-center, slightly geeky computer programer, all I can say is THANK GOD FOR GIRLS LIKE YOU…(and why didn’t I run into your type more often when I was single). Mike

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Cool – I primarily program in C, with a little C++ and some visual FoxPro and IBI Focus mixed in for good measure. Hmmm, lets see what we have here, 29 year old big-titted bonde ex-stripper with programming experience, one of my programers just quit this week, and a 4 person firm consisting of guys in there mid-thirties that were all in the same fraternity in college.  I think we have a match!  Send resume immediately! Ahh if only life were that good….I could only imagine the looks I’d get from my wife, as well as my friends’ wives, if I hired big-busted blonde ex-stripper to code our software for the IRS.  Before I get slammed for the above statement, which was meant in fun, let me say that if she were the most qualified applicant she would get the job, hands down, and I’d deal with the comments from the wives. Mike PS  - would you list the stripper job on your resume?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah Mike, just my type- a programmer! I took programming one year and learned Cobol, Visual Basic, C, and C++.  I was hoping that i could one day become a gamez programmer (Doom, Quake, ect)  Found out quickly I couldn’t write a C program for shit!  My dreams changed and i stuck with HTML and Flash. From a back end dream to a flaky front end reality. This big titted blonde bimbo(me) couldn’t handle C.  I even remember having hard times with Cobol! So for me, opposites attract!! –snip—- Speaking as a formerly chubby, off-center, slightly geeky computer programer, all I can say is THANK GOD FOR GIRLS LIKE YOU…(and why didn’t I run into your type more often when I was single). Mike

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Mike- Actually, not an "ex-stripper"  hehe -J

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Even better, we don’t have a policy against moonlighting…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike- Actually, not an "ex-stripper"  hehe -J

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I graduated from school and started stripping. (laugh) Oh- i was also a dental assistant before i went to school… That’s the abridged version of my one page resume. However, you could assign me to other duties though  ;) -Jill –snip– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even better, we don’t have a policy against moonlighting… –snip– Mike- Actually, not an "ex-stripper"  hehe -J

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Sure, sure tease the married guy (but then again isn’t that pretty much the job description of a stripper).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I graduated from school and started stripping. (laugh) Oh- i was also a dental assistant before i went to school… That’s the abridged version of my one page resume. However, you could assign me to other duties though  ;) -Jill –snip– Even better, we don’t have a policy against moonlighting… –snip– Mike- Actually, not an "ex-stripper"  hehe -J

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Yes, but I’m off duty right now. It’s either food or sex with me. Extreme addictions in life. –snip– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure, sure tease the married guy (but then again isn’t that pretty much the job description of a stripper).

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I  know what i am about to say is gonna make some of yall annoyed at me,but here recently I have made friends with about 4 young women 19-20 year olds.I am in my 30s and I am guessing they like to hang out with me cause they feel safe around me being the token older fat guy.lol  They of course just want to be  just friends with me.My point is tho that I have been to clubs  and out about with these girls and they will actually make statements like I am gonna F%^ that guy or that guy (or girl 2 are Bi)….is hot  they never give anyone who doesn’t have a perfect body the time of day ,so if we as guys put that same kind of pressure on women it is awful that it goes both ways like that.Well due to these facts I am back here ready to hit the Lo carb wagon for good this time I know these are the wrong reasons to lose and i should do it for myself first but hey we gotta start somewhere .Ok my rant is over now.i’m off to get me a new york strip see yall later. (ya bunch of losers) LOL http://community.webtv.net/domjo/Joesbigfish

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Heh.. whatever gets you motivated, Joe! Cheers! Nicole K.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I  know what i am about to say is gonna make some of yall annoyed at me,but here recently I have made friends with about 4 young women 19-20 year olds.I am in my 30s and I am guessing they like to hang out with me cause they feel safe around me being the token older fat guy.lol  They of course just want to be  just friends with me.My point is tho that I have been to clubs  and out about with these girls and they will actually make statements like I am gonna F%^ that guy or that guy (or girl 2 are Bi)….is hot  they never give anyone who doesn’t have a perfect body the time of day ,so if we as guys put that same kind of pressure on women it is awful that it goes both ways like that.Well due to these facts I am back here ready to hit the Lo carb wagon for good this time I know these are the wrong reasons to lose and i should do it for myself first but hey we gotta start somewhere .Ok my rant is over now.i’m off to get me a new york strip see yall later. (ya bunch of losers) LOL http://community.webtv.net/domjo/Joesbigfish

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recently I have made friends with about 4 young women 19-20 year olds.I am in my 30s and I am guessing they like to hang out with me cause they feel safe around me being the token older fat guy.lol  They of course just want to be  just friends with me.My point is tho that I have been to clubs  and out about with these girls and they will actually make statements like I am gonna F%^ that guy or that guy (or girl 2 are Bi)….is hot  they never give anyone who doesn’t have a perfect body the time of day

First of all, I’m curious why you want to hang with girls 10+ years younger than yourself. Secondly, I have to think you’re not just "friends" but have some idea of at least letting Mr. Wonderful have a little fun. If you are looking for sex, be sure to find out what the legal age is in your state if you’re going to mess with teenagers. And if they’re as promiscuous as they sound, do yourself a big favor and use protection. If you’re looking for something more than sex, I sure hope you’ll try for a woman who’s a little older and with a little more class. And maybe even one who enjoys the outdoors (possibly even fishing!) as much as you do. Don’t waste your time on little girl losers who’ll sleep with anybody. You are not that big, but those kids you hang with are too, too shallow for you to even worry about their opinions. And good luck on your low-carbing. Once you get a few pounds off, you’ll feel a lot better about yourself and you can use that confidence to find yourself a lady friend.

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Can’t speak for the person who calls himself "Canoli," but real "cannoli" are about four inches long at the most and maybe an inch in diameter… GB in NC I yield to the voice of experience, in that it sounds as though you like to swallow them whole.

No, actually, I never eat Italian pastry. But if I were under duress to do so I would insist on first cutting it into small pieces with a sharp knife. Back to you. (I almost said "the ball is in your court," haha.) GB in NC

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There is no accounting for taste. Canoli being as hard as they are, they would crumble if you tried to break them up, so you would end up with cream all over your plate, and would have to lick it up.

Ha. You wish. The only cannolis I’ve ever seen were small and mushy. The "hardness" you refer to is only a thin veneer which cracks easily and offers little or no structural support for the contents. GB in NC

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I don’t know what the Riogrande means.  There is a great river there named the Rio Grande.

Do you mean Rio Bravo del Norte?  It was rather low two weeks ago.

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A number of possibilities, both in Alpine and around the surrounding area. Not sure if the State Park accepts RV’s, but you can check on the State’s website.

Davis Mounstains State Park has 50 amp hookups and cable TV in some places.   We were there last November. The full hookups at Rio Grande Village are located in a long parking lot.   We dry camped at Rio Grande Village two weeks ago in the regular camping area.  Try and arrive early as sites are first come first served.  As an aside, I was very pleased with my 80 watt PV array and my holding tank capacities; I lasted five nights without dumping with myself and three newbies not used to any type of water rationing.  Next time I’ll add another PV panel or a small genny to re-charge my batteries. Paul —- F350 PSD towing a 32RK Alpenlite

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Check out Terlingua Ranch http://www.terlinguaranch.com/ it is about 15 / 20 mins out of the park.  Built in a red rock canyon that looks like it’s on fire with the sunrise.  We stayed there about 7 years ago and it was awesome but we stayed in the cabins.  It’s primarily a high dollar hunting camp so don’t even try during deer season, but the rest of the year it’s pretty much open. — Bruce & Jeannine Wilson Catherine (7) & Arianna (4) Bible Based Christian Homeschoolers San Antonio  TX http://home.satx.rr.com/wilsonswest Did you know that in a study of over 15,000 quotes from the Founding Fathers (USA), 34 percent of all quotes were from the Bible, and another 60 percent of the quotes were from men who were using the Bible to make their point?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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Paul Hutmacher wrote, in part: The full hookups at Rio Grande Village are located in a long parking lot. We dry camped at Rio Grande Village two weeks ago in the regular camping area.  Try and arrive early as sites are first come first served.  As an aside, I was very pleased with my 80 watt PV array and my holding tank capacities; I lasted five nights without dumping with myself and three newbies not used to any type of water rationing.  Next time I’ll add another PV panel or a small genny to re-charge my batteries.

We stayed in the Rio Grande Village RV Park in May, 1998.  The temperature rose to about 106 degrees F. in the asphalt parking lot in the daytime , dropping to about 53 deg. F. at night.  We did not have an air conditioner in our Class B van so spent the daytime traveling about the park seeing the sights (using the engine driven air conditioner), returning to our campsite after it started cooling off in the evening.  There was a narrow grassy area with a few large cottonwood trees behind our campsite with tables and chairs, and you could sit out during the cool of the evening or early morning and watch the wildlife come to get a drink in a small irrigation ditch just behind the campsite.  We saw (up close) road runners, ground squirrels, coyotes, and buzzards.  Coming home late one evening we found that a half dozen buzzards had taken over our campsite.  By wife informed me that it was time (for me) to take a shower!  :=}

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canoli are long, cylindrical, hard on the outside, filled with creamy goodness, and melt in your mouth.

LOL. Can’t speak for the person who calls himself "Canoli," but real "cannoli" are about four inches long at the most and maybe an inch in diameter… GB in NC

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| How about Rio Grande River, if you little to repeat yourself.

Did I say "little to repeat yourself?"  meant to say "like to repeat yourself." BTW, Oregon has a Grande Ronde River and a place named Grand Ronde. Don’t pronounce either as Spanish. They’re French names.

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Bab, you’re absolutely right, it is the MacDonald Observatory (not a "planetarium" duh  it is a neat place and the star parties are, as you say, great. Pat Lubbock, Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think "MacDonald Observatory" is meant where a planetarium is mentioned below…. Pretty neat place, great star parties, fascinating telescopes.     Ol’ Bab

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In this case the nitpicking isn’t too far off base.  The Rio Grande River is one border of Big Bend NP, and there are *two* developed campgrounds near it. One is named Rio Grande Village CG and isn’t a river… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the Riogrande means.  There is a great river there named the Rio Grande. There are those who are nitpickingpainsintheneck. Do you know what that means? Canoli

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I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay? You didn’t say where you’re from.  However, it can get HOT in Big Bend in May. Davis Mts. State Park is nice.  Be sure to plan a stop at McDonald Observatory. James Summers (we went to these in January, ‘96)

The last time I went was about ten years ago, when I rafted down Santa Helena canyon.  At that time the Rio Grande was something of an open sewer through there, so I haven’t been back.  That said, the desert can be very beautiful at night and in the early morning, and a living hell in the afternoon.  Presidio, which is nearby in local terms, has always been known for the hottest temperatures in Texas.  That said, it is also the US terminus for the Copper Canyon train ride through Chihuahua to Los Mochis, which is interesting.  Takes a week there and back, with stopover. I recommend the quiet Cottonwoods Campground at the mouth of Santa Helena canyon (stay out of the water) and the hot springs at the opposite end of the park, but DON"T try to get to the springs in your MH.  I assume you don’t absolutely have to have hookups.  If you do, only the east side campground will suit you.  I am not sure if a 36 foot MH can make the switchbacks into the Basin.  Inquire first. Have a look at : http://www.nps.gov/bibe/home.htm You are a long way from everywhere in Big Bend.  Fill up your fuel tank and water before entering the park.  Don’t be in a hurry to be anywhere in particular. Contact McDonald Observatory in advance for a schedule of tours.  The telescopes are available for  public demonstration and brief use on certain nights of the month, or they were.  Large telescopes are impressive to look at, but even more impressive to look through.   Balmorrhea State Park, after Big Bend, will seem like a little slice of heaven, if you like to swim. Bob

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I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

You didn’t say where you’re from.  However, it can get HOT in Big Bend in May. Davis Mts. State Park is nice.  Be sure to plan a stop at McDonald Observatory. James Summers (we went to these in January, ‘96)

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I would bet that there is no one on the newsgroup that did not know what was meant by Riogrande.  There seems to be a lot of small minds appearing in the group. Ed | How about Rio Grande River, if you little to repeat yourself. |

| | I don’t know what the Riogrande means.  There is a great river there named | the Rio Grande. | —

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Don’t try to stay in the Basin CG; you are way too big.  If you want hookups inside the park, make a res at the Rio Grande Village CG. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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Hi, JB – We spend just about every Christmas at Big Bend and really love the place.  I will say that May is kind of pushing it temperature wise, tho – you might get pretty warm if you don’t have hookups for the AC. In the park you have a couple of options for your size rig.  At the east end there are two places:  Rio Grande Village is the NPS CG and that’s where we always stay.  No hookups but water and dumpstation available right down the road, and propane available at the store.  They don’t take reservations (there is an overflow area), but amazingly enough it wasn’t crowded this Christmas (first time that’s happened.)  The CG is divided into generator and no-generator sections.  Most of the no-generator section is for tents, most of the generator section is for RV’s – makes sense, huh  New generator hours starting last year 10 AM to 5 PM only, RIGIDLY and RUDELY enforced (along with all other rules real, imagined or made up on the spot)  by Big Bertha, the resident guest host NPS Nazi (did I mention I don’t like Bertha?  I don’t like Bertha, although her husband is about the nicest guy you would ever want to meet.)  Beautiful CG, big spaces, lots of trees and grass, and the javelina come through and put on a show every night.  This year there was a bobcat hanging around the CG. Right down the street from the NPS CG is a contractor operated CG with full hookups.  Its literally a parking lot with hookups and we’ve never stayed there.  It tends to get full a lot, and also doesn’t take reservations. At the west end of the park (which is about 50 miles away from Rio Grande Village) down a 20 plus mile road on the way to Santa Elena Canyon is NPS Cottonwoods CG.  Right on the Rio Grande, no hookups, nothing close, no reservations, and only a few spaces big enough for your rig. Also at the west end of the park but in the towns of Study (pronounced Stoody) Butte and Terlingua (and I use the term "town" loosely) there are a couple of full hookup commercial CG.  Not too bad for a few nights stay, but we really prefer the NPS CG. At Big Bend don’t miss Santa Elena Canyon, the drive up the river to Presidio and Ojinaga, Mexico, the boat crossing to Boquillas, Mexico, La Kiva restaurant in Terlingua, Chisos Basin, and lots of other stuff.  If you have a 4wd or high clearance vehicle do River Road, but plan all day for the 50 mile drive.  Neat place. In the Davis Mountains I think the best place to stay is Davis Mountains State Park.  Some full hookups (including cable) and some w/e. Reservations not required but definitely strongly recommended.  You can do it on line through the Texas Parks and Wildlife web site.  Gorgeous park, lots of trees, semi-tame deer that will eat right out of your hand, javelina (watch your dog closely and don’t leave it tied up outside). Close to the planetarium, which is worth about 2 days in itself, and the partially restored Fort Davis.  Alpine is pretty country and there are several CG there, but its kind of far away from Fort Davis for us.  About 35 or 40 miles (easy and gorgeous drive) away from Fort Davis is Balmorhea State Park.  Its claim to fame is that it has a huge swimming pool fed by a natural spring.  The deep end of the pool (25 feet plus) has been left with the rock bottom and scuba divers even use it.  The shallower parts have a paved bottom, and the little fish will come up and nibble on you. The water is, to say the least, cool. Hope all this helps.  If you need anything else let me know.  Have a good time. Pat Lubbock, Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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I think "MacDonald Observatory" is meant where a planetarium is mentioned below…. Pretty neat place, great star parties, fascinating telescopes.     Ol’ Bab – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the Davis Mountains I think the best place to stay is Davis Mountains State Park.  Some full hookups (including cable) and some w/e. Reservations not required but definitely strongly recommended.  You can do it on line through the Texas Parks and Wildlife web site.  Gorgeous park, lots of trees, semi-tame deer that will eat right out of your hand, javelina (watch your dog closely and don’t leave it tied up outside). Close to the planetarium, which is worth about 2 days in itself, and the partially restored Fort Davis.  Alpine is pretty country and there are several CG there, but its kind of far away from Fort Davis for us. About 35 or 40 miles (easy and gorgeous drive) away from Fort Davis is Balmorhea State Park.  Its claim to fame is that it has a huge swimming pool fed by a natural spring.  The deep end of the pool (25 feet plus) has been left with the rock bottom and scuba divers even use it.  The shallower parts have a paved bottom, and the little fish will come up and nibble on you. The water is, to say the least, cool. Hope all this helps.  If you need anything else let me know.  Have a good time. Pat Lubbock, Texas I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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I would surmise that it means an italian pastry —

  There are those who are nitpickingpainsintheneck. Do you know what – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that means? Canoli

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Sorry I should have said Rio Grande .But it is still a good place to stay if your in that area. Lyle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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re: Big Bend Your rig is too long to go up into the Basin, so you’ll have to park at lower elevations. On the SE side is Rio Grande Village, which has a paved area with hookups (not very many, though) and a larger area without hookups. Quiet hours are from 8 to 8, so the warm nights might get a bit uncomfortable when you can’t run a generator. On the SW side is Cottonwood Campground, no hookups. There is an RV park at Study Butte and one at Lajitas, both are on the west side of the N.P., and there is a small RV park on the road east of the N.P., but I don’t know what they are like. re: Davis Mountains A number of possibilities, both in Alpine and around the surrounding area. Not sure if the State Park accepts RV’s, but you can check on the State’s website.

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Davis Mountains State Park at Ft Davis is very nice.  Likely to be crowded: try to arrive Sunday evening.  Reservations may be required for the bigger pull through sites, I just don’t remember. Ft Davis is the highest town in Texas,  makes it look especially good in high summer (when we were there). Ol’ Bab – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stay in the park they have some very good sites with full hookups that will be close to the Riogrande .We had 4days there on are trip from Ont canada last year on a 4 month trip south and would go back again on any trip in that area if we are near the park.It made are trip going to the park from Canada and was the first place we we would like to see on are trip south.last year. Have a good trip and have fun . Lyle I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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I don’t know what the Riogrande means.  There is a great river there named the Rio Grande. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   will be close to the Riogrande . I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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Stay in the park they have some very good sites with full hookups that will be close to the Riogrande .We had 4days there on are trip from Ont canada last year on a 4 month trip south and would go back again on any trip in that area if we are near the park.It made are trip going to the park from Canada and was the first place we we would like to see on are trip south.last year.  Have a good trip and have fun . Lyle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to visit the Big Bend area and the Davis Mountain area of Texas during May.  I have a 36 ft Class A with a toad.  Any recommendations on where to stay?

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My email has been down since we were first hit at 4:30 this morning. Rumors have it that the virus scanners will post the update tonight to catch it. d

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

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Thanks Rita – I just got a notice from my own ISP about it so this must be a real and nasty one.

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Just FYI – Unless someone’s using Microsoft Outlook it’s safe to read the E-mail, as long as the attachment isn’t downloaded. The same goes for pretty much any virus …it’s 100% impossible to get a virus simply from reading E-mail, despite all the hoaxes on the Internet to the contrary. Outlook is the only exception to the rule, thanks to the brilliant folks at Microsoft, who decided to jazz up ordinary text E-mail a little too much by supporting a format in which the text can also include executable macros. It’s probably the least safe program out on the market. The thing that makes me laugh is that every few months or so all these big companies get hit with E-mail viruses like this one through Microsoft Outlook, yet they still insist on using it. If they’d just move all of their Outlook files to the Recycle Bin and buy new E-mail programs, and told their employees not to D/L any attached files, they’d never ever get another virus again. Oh well… Just my 2 cents LOL — Steve

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Very true, In my department we have a policy to not enable any macros sent through email.  However being a college campus, we are only a small portion of the university.  Anyhow it looks like we will be nailing some attachments through our firewall now.  Personally I think we should just ban them anyhow.  I have personal email for the attachments if I want them. d

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just FYI – Unless someone’s using Microsoft Outlook it’s safe to read the E-mail, as long as the attachment isn’t downloaded. The same goes for pretty much any virus …it’s 100% impossible to get a virus simply from reading E-mail, despite all the hoaxes on the Internet to the contrary. Outlook is the only exception to the rule, thanks to the brilliant folks at Microsoft, who decided to jazz up ordinary text E-mail a little too much by supporting a format in which the text can also include executable macros. It’s probably the least safe program out on the market. The thing that makes me laugh is that every few months or so all these big companies get hit with E-mail viruses like this one through Microsoft Outlook, yet they still insist on using it. If they’d just move all of their Outlook files to the Recycle Bin and buy new E-mail programs, and told their employees not to D/L any attached files, they’d never ever get another virus again. Oh well… Just my 2 cents LOL — Steve

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You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed?  Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

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*Here is the article from Reuters*-Julie Thursday May 4 2:21 PM ET New ‘Love Bug’ Computer Virus Sweeps World By Derek Caney NEW YORK (Reuters) – A computer virus dubbed the “Love Bug” caused havoc with computer systems worldwide on Thursday, shutting down email servers at major companies and penetrating the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain’s Parliament. Companies across Europe, North America, Asia and Australia were hit by the so-called “Love Bug” virus, raising fears of a repeat of the Melissa virus that wreaked havoc in the United States last year. The virus appears to have been sent by someone operating under the pseudonym “Spyder,” citing a printout of the virus program, said Britain’s Consumers’ Association. A Pentagon office that compiles news clippings sent to the ”ILOVEYOU” message to its mailing, including contacts at the Central Intelligence Agency, Civil Air Patrol, General Accounting Office, military commands and the FBI-led National Infrastructure Protection Center. White House spokesman Jake Siewert said so far the virus has not gotten through the White House system. “It hasn’t affected operations at the White House,” he said. “There have been some reports around the government about it. The White House has taken some measures to secure its system … our cybersecurity people are on top of it.” The British Parliament was also said to be affected, with London’s House of Commons shutting down its e-mail system for about two hours on Thursday to safeguard against the virus. Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F – news) said it shut down its e-mail system, serving more than 100,000 employees worldwide, this morning after the virus infiltrated its system in Europe. “The virus was first noticed in Europe,” said Ford spokeswoman Kathleen Vokes. “When it was determined it could be a serious virus, the decision was made to shut down all servers supporting e-mail within Ford to prevent its spread. Once the virus is eradicated, we will bring the servers back up.” Internal e-mail systems at many of the world’s largest companies and organizations have been hit by the virus, ranging from media companies to agricultural companies to technology companies to public utilities. “We’ve already gotten about 50 reports on the virus, which is pretty significant for this time of day,” said Bill Pollak, a spokesman for the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), a Defense Department-funded computer security project at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Penn. The virus comes in an e-mail that says “ILOVEYOU” in the subject line and an attachment, which when opened using Microsoft Outlook software sends the virus to the e-mail addresses stored within the software, researchers say. Once the virus infects the computer it can destroy certain files not only on the user’s own hard drive, but also other files on networks that the user is connected to. “What makes this virus effective is that it can spread to other computers within the network,” said David Chess, a researcher with International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM – news). in Armonk, N.Y. “It can slow down e-mail systems, crash computer networks and potentially destroy important files.” The virus is said to overwrite picture and music files from local and network drives. The “love bug” parallels a similar virus attack in 1999 known as Melissa, which was also spread through Microsoft Outlook’s address book and produced one of the most widespread infections ever, although damage to individual computers was limited. U.S. media conglomerate Time Warner Inc. (NYSE:TWX – news) said its computers had been affected. “It’s all over our system,” said a staff member in its public relations department in New York. The world’s largest wireless telecommunications firm, Vodafone AirTouch Plc (NYSE:VOD – news), shut down its internal e-mail system, which prevented its internal staff from sending and receiving e-mail but has not had any impact on customer records or billing. Archer Daniels Midland Co., (NYSE:ADM – news) a Decatur, Ill.- based international grain and food company with more than 500 grain elevators and 350 processing plants worldwide was affected by the virus. “We did get hit this morning. We have implemented corrective fixes such as temporarily shutting a few of our e-mail servers down,” said Karla Miller, spokeswoman for Archer Daniels Midland Co. “There were no widespread outages.” Newark, N.J.-based Public Service Enterprise Group Inc. (NYSE:PEG – news) shut down its e-mail shortly after 9 a.m. to prevent dissemination of the virus, according to spokesman Paul Rosengren. PSEG is the parent company of Public Service Electric & Gas Co. — PSE&G — New Jersey’s largest utility. IBM’s Chess said messages within the e-mail indicate the virus originated in Manila, Philippines. “But really, there’s no way to tell for sure, where it came from,” he said. Those infected appear to be limited to users of Microsoft Outlook, and only if the user were to open the accompanying attachment. Microsoft Corp. 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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed?  Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf. If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

THANK YOU BOTH!!! Di

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   Thanks for the information Xan, Rita, Jackie    Debby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can find more info on this at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp?cp1=1#BODY Xanman — Depressed?  Anxious? http://xanman22.tripod.com/ Xanland – http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9098/ Xanland – A little insanity in an sane wolf. If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

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If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

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If any one gets an e-mail titled I LOVE YOU or LOVE YOU—–DON’T OPEN IT.  My daughter works for Comcast in Philadelphia and all the e-mails are down, not just in her building, but all over the city.  Thank God she called me to warn me because I got 2 of them and I live in the suburbs.  So it’s spreading. Take care…Rita

Dear Rita, My husband called me this morning to warn me of this too. He was sent an e-mail from England, he opened it and within minutes e-mail was being sent to people in his address book and it corrupted 5 files before he could stop it. His computer had virus protection too……   Thanks Rita )  Jackie This was on AOL news today: ‘Love Bug’ Computer Virus Sweeps World Reuters NEW YORK (May 4) – A computer virus dubbed the ”Love Bug” wreaked havoc on computer systems worldwide Thursday, shutting down E-mail servers at major companies and penetrating the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain’s parliament. The ”love bug” is being called the fastest spreading computer virus, affecting hundreds of thousands of computers around the world at brokerages, agricultural companies, media, auto giants and technology firms. The virus drew comparisons with last year’s Melissa virus, which spread through computer systems in the U.S. Mikko Hypponen, manager of anti-virus research at computer security firm F-Secure Corp.’s testing facilities in Helsinki, Finland, said the virus had affected hundreds of thousands of computers worldwide and could become the most widespread virus attack ever. ”We know from direct reports from customers that there are over 150,000 computers affected,” Hypponen said. ”I would say several hundreds of thousands of computers are affected by this. It’s still too early to say just how many.” Melissa affected 300,000 computers in March 1999. Hyponnen said the virus had spread twice as fast as Melissa in the first 10 hours since the company identified the virus on computers. The virus appears to have been sent from the Philippines by someone operating under the pseudonym ”Spyder,” Britain’s Consumers’ Association said, citing a print-out of the virus program. The virus comes in an e-mail that says ”ILOVEYOU” in the subject line. With the e-mail comes an attachment, which when opened using Microsoft Outlook software sends the virus to the e-mail addresses stored within the software, researchers say. Once the virus infects the computer, it can destroy certain files not only on the user’s own hard drive, but also other files on networks to which the user is connected. ”It can slow down E-mail systems, crash computer networks and and potentially destroy important files,” said David Chess, a researcher with International Business Machines Corp. The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating the matter. A Pentagon office that compiles news clippings sent the ”ILOVEYOU” message to its mailing lists, including the General Accounting Office and security agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency, the FBI-led National Infrastructure Protection Center and military commands. White House spokesman Jake Siewert said the virus had not gotten through the White House system. ”It hasn’t affected operations at the White House,” he said. ”There have been some reports around the government about it. The White House has taken some measures to secure its system. Our cybersecurity people are on top of it.” The British Parliament was also said to be affected, with London’s House of Commons shutting down its e-mail system for about two hours Thursday to safeguard against the virus. F-Secure’s Hypponen said the virus was targetting computer music and graphic files in formats such as JPEG, MPEG2 and MP3. As a result, Hyponnen said several European publishing companies had lost their digital photo archives, including a local publisher in Sweden and a multinational one, but he declined to name the companies. He also said his company had been contacted by a radio station in Central Europe that had had its digital music archives wiped out. Hyponnen’s company, previously known as Data Fellows Corp., is headquartered in San Jose, Calif. Inevitably perhaps, stock market investors seized on the attack as evidence of growing need for computer security tools and pushed up the shares of anti-virus companies — more than 20 percent in the case of McAfee.com and Trend Micro . Other beneficiaries included Check Point Software  of Israel and Baltimore Technologies  of Ireland. Internal E-mail systems at many of the world’s largest companies and organizations have been hit by the virus. Ford Motor Co., said it shut down its e-mail system, serving more than 100,000 employees worldwide, this morning after the virus infiltrated its system in Europe. Archer Daniels Midland Co., a Decatur, Ill.-based international grain and food company with more than 500 grain elevators and 350 processing plants worldwide, had to shut down several E-mail servers. Vodafone AirTouch Plc, the world’s largest wireless telecommunications firm, was also affected. Those infected appeared to be limited to users of Microsoft Outlook, and only if users opened the accompanying attachment. Business software maker Computer Associates International Inc. said it had software available for free download from its Web site (http://antivirus.ca.com) that can eradicate the virus from infected computers. Symantec Corp., which makes a software maintanence package called Norton System Works, said it had software available for download from its Web site that could detect the ”love bug,” but it relies on the user to manually delete the infected files. ”We will have software on the Web site that can both detect and repair infected files within a couple of hours,” said Marian Merritt, group product manager for Norton System Works.   REUTERS 15:06 05-04-00

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In article <20000410144848.27788.00000…@ng-fe1.aol.com>, eaglew…@aol.compost (Eagle Way2) writes: >As a former lobbyist,

What did you lobby for, Judith? Kathi

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sayinG you would only hire "healthy people" is discriminatory and a crock of what ever you want to put in.  That’s why we have ADA, and with your attitude, I am suprised you are volunteering for the Society. Go home, and stop being a hindrance to those of us that want to be positive. I already know my limitations, I DON’T NEED YOU TO TELL ME I CAN’T HACK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On 10 Apr 2000 18:48:48 GMT, eaglew…@aol.compost (Eagle Way2) wrote: >No offense intended….(truly)  but, I find that an amazingly  discriminatory >statement from one of "our own", Joolie.   >Tell that to LaVonne who travels to Sacramento and Washington DC, doing >advocacy, along with her many, many other outside the office duties. >As a former lobbyist, I can attest that advocacy/fundraising are on a par with >one another when it comes to the amount of energy expended.  Not ALL Pwms >suffer in the "energy" department!

I did fundraising and advocacy as part of my job for over 15 years after being diagnosed with MS.  I do volunteer fundraising now. Of course, there is lots of fundraising.  I’m not up to throwing a huge black tie party in a half-finished shopping mall for 1500 people as I did ten years ago in my job.   But I sure can — and do — write grants. However, I think that peer counselors can do wonderful work and may well outshine MSW’s when it comes to helping pwms cope — and would not make all of them volunteers.  I surely would hire an individual with MS to manage a peer counselor program. Or manage the computer system, do the accounting, or even be the boss of the whole dang chapter. Kate

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>>In all 3 chapters where I have volunteered, they have indeed hired people w/

MS, generally in a receptionist or clerical position.  People hired for "development" (fundraising) are generally young and energetic new grads from colleges who, in my opinion, are FAR more capable of expending the energy needed to successfully manage a position like that."<< No offense intended….(truly)  but, I find that an amazingly  discriminatory statement from one of "our own", Joolie.   Tell that to LaVonne who travels to Sacramento and Washington DC, doing advocacy, along with her many, many other outside the office duties. As a former lobbyist, I can attest that advocacy/fundraising are on a par with one another when it comes to the amount of energy expended.  Not ALL Pwms suffer in the "energy" department! Look at the prosecutor of the OK bombing, and many others whose names I’ve long forgotten. >>MS does *not* render PwMS capable of doing only clerical or reception work.<<

I’m sure with Chris on *that one!!!!!   Judith

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I never assume that a bank actually reads -anything- that’s written or printed on a check.  It costs a very nominal amount to stop it.  But I do call the payee first and say, "’scuse me, but you do know I was trying to send you money, don’t you?"   I am interested to hear how other companies account for A/P disbursement checks that have not cleared the bank at the end of the valid period.  Our company’s checks have a statement on them, "Not valid after 90 days".  If a check does not clear the bank within the 90 day period, what should the policy be?      -  To call the bank and put a hold on the original check, void the payment in the company accounting system, restate the liability, then reissue a payment?      -  Or just let the original check remain outstanding infinitum?

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I am interested to hear how other companies account for A/P disbursement checks that have not cleared the bank at the end of the valid period.  Our company’s checks have a statement on them, "Not valid after 90 days".  If a check does not clear the bank within the 90 day period, what should the policy be?      -  To call the bank and put a hold on the original check, void the payment in the company accounting system, restate the liability, then reissue a payment?      -  Or just let the original check remain outstanding infinitum?

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At some point past a reasonable time, whether that is the stated 90 days or longer is a business choice, the checks should be researched and handled appropriately.  If another check has already been issued then simply void it.  If another check needs to be issued, void the first and reissue a check.  It is highly improbable that an outstanding check older than 1 year would ever resurface and be deposited.  In the event that happens it would pop out on the reconciliation and can then be dealt with accordingly. Whether or not to put stop payments on these checks is a business decision based on cost benefit.  If the checks are written for say $5.00 and the stop payment fee is $10.00 why bother?  If the check is for $1,000,000 and the stop payment fee is $10.00 then certainly I would.  Of course a policy can be set regarding the point at which stop payments should be issued and that would be company specific and depend on your risk aversion and the cost of the stop payment fee. If it is determined that the money is due to an individual but that individual can not be located then the company, in many states, is required to submit the funds to the state with supporting documentation so that the state can track down the individual and complete the transaction. HTH Don   Regards,   Donald A Haney, MBA   Emergency Care Specialists, PC   "Learning occurs in the mind, independent of time and place." – Plato   I am interested to hear how other companies account for A/P disbursement   checks that have not cleared the bank at the end of the valid period.  Our   company’s checks have a statement on them, "Not valid after 90 days".  If a   check does not clear the bank within the 90 day period, what should the   policy be?        -  To call the bank and put a hold on the original check, void the   payment in the company accounting system, restate the liability, then   reissue a payment?        -  Or just let the original check remain outstanding infinitum?

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Thank you, Don, for your advice!   At some point past a reasonable time, whether that is the stated 90 days or longer is a business choice, the checks should be researched and handled appropriately.  If another check has already been issued then simply void it.  If another check needs to be issued, void the first and reissue a check.  It is highly improbable that an outstanding check older than 1 year would ever resurface and be deposited.  In the event that happens it would pop out on the reconciliation and can then be dealt with accordingly.  Whether or not to put stop payments on these checks is a business decision based on cost benefit.  If the checks are written for say $5.00 and the stop payment fee is $10.00 why bother?  If the check is for $1,000,000 and the stop payment fee is $10.00 then certainly I would.  Of course a policy can be set regarding the point at which stop payments should be issued and that would be company specific and depend on your risk aversion and the cost of the stop payment fee.   If it is determined that the money is due to an individual but that individual can not be located then the company, in many states, is required to submit the funds to the state with supporting documentation so that the state can track down the individual and complete the transaction.   HTH   Don     Regards,     Donald A Haney, MBA     Emergency Care Specialists, PC     "Learning occurs in the mind, independent of time and place." – Plato     I am interested to hear how other companies account for A/P disbursement     checks that have not cleared the bank at the end of the valid period.  Our     company’s checks have a statement on them, "Not valid after 90 days".  If a     check does not clear the bank within the 90 day period, what should the     policy be?          -  To call the bank and put a hold on the original check, void the     payment in the company accounting system, restate the liability, then     reissue a payment?          -  Or just let the original check remain outstanding infinitum?

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I came across a website recently, but then I lost my bookmarks after a crash. It was a marketing service for accountants that looked somewhat promising. I was going to email them, but I no longer have the address. I think it had the word ‘click’ in the address, but I’m not sure, and now I can’t find it. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? If so, please send the URL or email address. Thanks in advance. Steve

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You’re probably reffering to www.click4services.com. I have two friends who signed up and they’re trying to get me to also. Please let me klnow what you think. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I came across a website recently, but then I lost my bookmarks after a crash. It was a marketing service for accountants that looked somewhat…

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 Thank you for these CW, ConnieD. Occupational Descriptions An accountant is someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. An auditor is someone who arrives after the battle and bayonets all the wounded. A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining and wants it back the minute it begins to rain. (Mark Twain) An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn’t happen today. A statistician is someone who is good with numbers but lacks the personality to be an accountant. An actuary is someone who brings a fake bomb on a plane, because that decreases the chances that there will be another bomb on the plane. (Laurence J. Peter) A programmer is someone who solves a problem you didn’t know you had in a way you don’t understand. A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn’t there. (Charles R. Darwin) A topologist is a man who doesn’t know the difference between a coffee cup and a doughnut. A lawyer is a person who writes a 10,000 word document and calls it a "brief." (Franz Kafka) A psychologist is a man who watches everyone else when a beautiful girl enters the room. A professor is one who talks in someone else’s sleep. A schoolteacher is a disillusioned woman who used to think she liked children. A consultant is someone who takes the watch off your wrist and tells you the time. A diplomat is someone who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you will look forward to the trip.

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An auditor is someone who arrives after the battle and bayonets all the wounded.

I told the above definition to some auditors who were auditing my books, and they asked if I knew what accountants were and my Accounting Tech and I both answered  "the wounded".  The auditors laughed then, but at first they weren’t too sure. idydal -Diana xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.xmission.com/~dedens/ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Remove nospam from address

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You all do not have to explain it here.  You only have to explain your actions to the BIG MAN at your day of judgement.  If you are right or wrong, HE is the only one you will have to justify it to.  In the meantime, read the Bible and see how HE really feels about the practice. Just the facts, ma’am.

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You all do not have to explain it here.  You only have to explain your actions to the BIG MAN at your day of judgement.  If you are right or wrong, HE is the only one you will have to justify it to.  In the meantime, read the Bible and see how HE really feels about the practice. Just the facts, ma’am.

What happens if there is no He? Or She? Who answers to whom at that point? If there is no faith in a higher diety, then there is nothing nor anyone to answer to. Arnold

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You all do not have to explain it here.  You only have to explain your actions to the BIG MAN at your day of judgement.  If you are right or wrong, HE is the only one you will have to justify it to.  In the meantime, read the Bible and see how HE really feels about the practice. Just the facts, ma’am. What happens if there is no He? Or She? Who answers to whom at that point? If there is no faith in a higher diety, then there is nothing nor anyone to answer to. Arnold

Well then Let’s all get drunk and go naked let’s all get drunk and go naked let’s all get drunk and go naked and lie in a great big pile! hammer after shelton

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What happens if there is no He? Or She? Who answers to whom at that point? If there is no faith in a higher diety, then there is nothing nor anyone to answer to.

           Where there is no belief, there is no blasphemy.                      –Salman Rushdie in The Satanic Verses

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What happens if there is no He? Or She? Who answers to whom at that point? If there is no faith in a higher diety, then there is nothing nor anyone to answer to.            Where there is no belief, there is no blasphemy.                      –Salman Rushdie in The Satanic Verses

The nature of God is not a knowable thing although looking for God in nature has its merits.  As for human behavior, what we are to answer to may be nothing more than the good in one another collectively–the person answers to the community, and the community to the person.  It is in the nature of democratic governments articulate in law the voice of the many who contribute to the system.  Here in the land of godless capitalism, and Bill Gates, democracy has been skewed by the enormous amounts of money involved in the rendering of those laws as well as their debate in the courts after their institution. I’m happy to answer to God and my fellow man–I think the leaders are more worried about their accountants.  Of course, ignoring the accountants, and, these days, attempting to temper capitalism–the intemperate forces of which hold global sway–makes it all the more difficult to address either God or man.  Just ask any Korean businessman or politician you happen to know. //Jim

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What happens if there is no He? Or She? Who answers to whom at that point? If there is no faith in a higher diety, then there is nothing nor anyone to answer to.

What happens is that we then have much more reason to be nice to each other: If you kill a man and he goes to "a better place", then so what?  You’ve simply hurried him through this miserable existence.  But if he simply ends when he dies, then by killing him you have taken from him everything he has or ever could have. If your society persecutes members of one group, and makes their lives miserable for a few short years, what is that compared to "an eternity of bliss".  But if there is no eternal afterlife, you take their entire *existence* and make it miserable; now that’s *cruel*. — Richard Hopley, concise and to the point, as always. OC-1; Rockville, Maryland, USA, BBM; (301) 330-8265 Monocacy Canoe Club, Blue Ridge Voyageurs, Canoe Cruisers’ Ass’n, Greater Baltimore CC, Coastal Canoeists, Rhode Island Canoe & Kayak Ass’n, Carolina CC, Tennessee Scenic Rivers Ass’n, ACA, and AWA Note 1: To send me eMail, remove ".NoSpam" from my address Note 2: Sometimes I just forget to type in that smiley-face emoticon. Note 3: Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock’n'Roll.

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:You all do not have to explain it here.  You only have to explain your actions :to the BIG MAN at your day of judgement.  If you are right or wrong, HE is the nly one you will have to justify it to.  In the meantime, read the Bible and :see how HE really feels about the practice. I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed! :Just the facts, ma’am. I’ve never encountered a Bible thumper really interested in facts.  

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I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed!

        Charlie, you can’t hardly find a deeper non-believer than me. But there’s a line, and its called blasphemy, and crossing it flippantly is philistinish enough in its own right much less doing so in a vulgar and unnecessary way. tgb

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I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed!    Charlie, you can’t hardly find a deeper non-believer than me. But there’s a line, and its called blasphemy, and crossing it flippantly is philistinish enough in its own right much less doing so in a vulgar and unnecessary way. tgb

I have to agree with TGB here that is way over ANY civil line of behavior. I may not be a christain but I don’t find it in the least proper to say something so vile about something held so holy by so many others. IT ranks up there with saying they want to use your Mother for target practice and your Sister to relieve their needs… Try to exercise a little bit of common decency will ya? DAF

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I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed!    Charlie, you can’t hardly find a deeper non-believer than me. But there’s a line, and its called blasphemy, and crossing it flippantly is philistinish enough in its own right much less doing so in a vulgar and unnecessary way.

Well apparently you CAN find deeper non-believers than you!  If you’re such a non-believer, why this worrying about blasphemy?  Unless, of course, you are objecting to the literary value of the book in which case the same would be true of using Wuthering Heights or War and Peace as TP. I personally side with Charles. another Charles

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Hey, Chuck.  When you get to hell, do me a favor and say hello to my ex-wife. :-^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :You all do not have to explain it here.  You only have to explain your actions :to the BIG MAN at your day of judgement.  If you are right or wrong, HE is the nly one you will have to justify it to.  In the meantime, read the Bible and :see how HE really feels about the practice. I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed! :Just the facts, ma’am. I’ve never encountered a Bible thumper really interested in facts.  

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I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed!

I really doubt that there’s enough paper, or soap and water, to ‘clean you up’ good. — CANOE NORTH! Rick Etter http://www.bright.net/~retter Step outside.  The graphics are AMAZING!!

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In response to my chiding one Charlie for blasphemy for talking about Well apparently you CAN find deeper non-believers than you!  If you’re such a non-believer, why this worrying about blasphemy?  Unless, of course, you are objecting to the literary value of the book in which case the same would be true of using Wuthering Heights or War and Peace as TP. I personally side with Charles.

        Well, it’s not a matter of literature, it’s a matter of taste, class, a decent respect for the opinions and beliefs of (millions, if not billions) of others, intellectual maturity, a rudimentary understanding of the tenuous nature of our ability to arrive at even simple truths much less ultimate ones, etc., etc., etc. Actually, put this way, maybe it is literary.         Cheers, tgb

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I take a Bible with me all the time on backpacking trips.  It makes very good toilet paper.  I have a trowel, I dig a hole in the earth, and then I tear out as many pages as I need and clean myself up good.  I feel that the Bible is a very useful book indeed!

WATCH OUT FOR LIGHTENING!!!!!!

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and who the fuck are YOU to say people are "trapped"  Where do you fucking bigots get off pissing on people whose lives you don’t agree with.  You’re the one who needs a prayer and all the inbreed, backwood degenerates who think like you.    The Speedbyrd :

We can all see that you put alot of thought into your choice of words. Why must you resort to such senseless flaming? Why can’t we all just get along? I like a good CIVIL discourse of ideas. You should try it. People tend to take civil discussion a tad bit more seriously. You could use such passion for good instead of such ridiculous rantings.                                                                                           Just some observations.                                                   Regards,                                                    Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and who the fuck are YOU to say people are "trapped"  Where do you fucking bigots get off pissing on people whose lives you don’t agree with.  You’re the one who needs a prayer and all the inbreed, backwood degenerates who think like you.       The Speedbyrd : We can all see that you put alot of thought into your choice of words. Why must you resort to such senseless flaming? Why can’t we all just get along? I like a good CIVIL discourse of ideas. You should try it. People tend to take civil discussion a tad bit more seriously. You could use such passion for good instead of such ridiculous rantings.                                                 Just some observations.                                                   Regards,                                                    Jim

Hey Speedey, I wrote earlier that I would continue this ‘discussion’ on alt.discrimination and talk.politics only, but I think now I will not pursue it at all with you.  The reason (and I’ll dumb this down to your level): You’re a silly twit!  Welcome to the filter. hammer

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