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Peronally I don’t support the suits by AOL and others because they are too broad.  People who send from bogus address and are trying to defraud should be stopped but the local pizza place, vacume shop etc should be able to use e-mail to advertise. Bill Couture

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Dear All, I have Microsoft Outlook Newsreader, part of Office XP 2002 and I was wondering if the best way to block the spam senders, was to just block the spam each individual time it comes. I know that I can do this via the ‘Message’ menu and ‘Block Sender…’. Is there a more complex manner in which I can block them so that I never get sent any more completely? Sorry to ask this question here, I am new to this newsgroup system. Thank you,

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I have Microsoft Outlook Newsreader, part of Office XP 2002 and I was wondering if the best way to block the spam senders, was to just block the Sorry to ask this question here, I am new to this newsgroup system.

Then I’ll try to help giving some general information that might be of interest to you. The newsgroups best discussing this dilemma include Be forewarned, though, but both those groups can be scalding at times. Furthermore: Links to Timo’s FAQ materials http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html Where do I find a complete list of Usenet newsgroups? http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/newsgrps.html How do I find the FAQ (and/or the charter) of a newsgroup? http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/wherefaq.html Foiling Spam with an Email Password System http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/spamfoil.html    All the best, Timo — Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa Acc. Journals Links  http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/opas/jott/jottjcgi.html

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"hilander" <t…@block.wilmstumour.com> wrote in message

news:umd323r1kts4e6@corp.supernews.com… > "Wendi" <wmar…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Last night SS12 was in a mood from the moment he walked in the door. > <snipped> > Just curious, is some of SS12’s behaviour related to puberty?

Not sure.  He’s just turning 12 this week and these behaviors have been around as long as I’ve known him.  They are just getting a lot worse now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I ask because my oldest will be 11 in a month and some of what you describe > has been creeping up on us little by little over the last year and I can > definitely see him being into it full-blown by the time he is 12. > He hasn’t called the police and he hasn’t said he wants to go live with his > dad but he has certainly expressed things like "Life sucks.  The world is > out to get him.  No-one can understand the ‘pain’ he is in and he is the > focal point of pain in the Universe.  He ‘vants to be alone’." > Right now, fortunately, it isn’t a steady dose of ‘teen angst’ but what > started off showing up only once every couple of months has slowly turned > into once a month and now getting closer to once a week. > I haven’t been through this so I can’t offer any advice.  I’m still very > naive.  I thought ‘puberty’ didn’t start until they were around 13 and was > not prepared to see it slowly trickle in at the age of 10. > I’d also appreciate anyone’s advice/input/experiences who *have* been > through this. > I was wondering if in your situation that what is going on with BM is being > made ‘worse’ by the onset of puberty [which can be hard enough to go through > and deal with in *ideal* situations].

It guess would be easier to deal with if I could be sure it was ‘just puberty’.  Then there would be an end eventually.  I’m just kinda paranoid with all the really big mental problems in BM’s family, and from what I’ve gotten from a couple of therapists that my office is close to, a lot of mental problems don’t become full blown until puberty and adolescence even though they’re there all along.  BM, her father, her mother, her grandmother, and her half-brother all have been diagnosed with mental problems requiring multiple medications and/or institutionalization – and all have had severe problems in their lives because of it.  Statistically speaking, it would be unreasonable to think that one of the 3 SS’s would not be affected in some way.  I would hate to see SS12 end up like any of them, and I also don’t want the other 4 to have problems due to constant stress due to SS12 actions. One of these friends has also suggested that he might want to go to BM’s cuz she supports the way he acts out since it’s about the same as what she does, while we object to it and therefore do not support it.  A minor example of that would be how he has always blamed someone else for anything he does wrong no matter how ridiculous it sounds – she would commisserate with him about how that’s exactly what happened while we would explain to him that he is responsible for his own actions. Wendi

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"Wendi" <wmar…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > It guess would be easier to deal with if I could be sure it was ‘just > puberty’.

Is a counsellor out of the question? Someone who is not in the situation who might be able to take look at all the factors and clarify how much input each is having? Like finding out that puberty may be accounting for 10% and BM accounts for 90%?  Or that if SS wasn’t struggling with puberty [or, as you point out other mental health issues], BM would have only 15% influence and things wouldn’t be so bad [ideally]. While family counselling might not be a bad idea, I’m wondering if SS would get something more from some one on one.  It could be presented to SS as a ‘neutral’ third party who will assist SS to get his priorities straight about what direction he wants his life to go in and why [in other words, to help him decide where he wants to live and why]. I’m wondering if through these talks a counsellor might be able to pick up on if there are other concerns [like mental health issues] and/or see straight through the difference between "I want to live with BM because I love her and feel she can provide what I *need* right now in my development" as opposed to "I want to live with BM because I love her and feel she can provide what I *want* right now in my development".  Notice the difference? *Need* would imply stability or some other beneficial emotional/psychological aspect that BM can do.  *Want* could imply things like "let’s me do whatever I want" and/or "gives me whatever I want whenever I demand it" or some other fantasy that may actually be in direct conflict with ‘need’. Then you’d have some ‘answers’ to work with and wouldn’t be living in a ‘guessing game’.  It’s hard to proceed if you have no idea where you are.  I empathize with your situation and understand how difficult this is. Later, Tea

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"Wendi" <wmar…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Last night SS12 was in a mood from the moment he walked in the door.

<snipped> Just curious, is some of SS12’s behaviour related to puberty? I ask because my oldest will be 11 in a month and some of what you describe has been creeping up on us little by little over the last year and I can definitely see him being into it full-blown by the time he is 12. He hasn’t called the police and he hasn’t said he wants to go live with his dad but he has certainly expressed things like "Life sucks.  The world is out to get him.  No-one can understand the ‘pain’ he is in and he is the focal point of pain in the Universe.  He ‘vants to be alone’." Right now, fortunately, it isn’t a steady dose of ‘teen angst’ but what started off showing up only once every couple of months has slowly turned into once a month and now getting closer to once a week. I haven’t been through this so I can’t offer any advice.  I’m still very naive.  I thought ‘puberty’ didn’t start until they were around 13 and was not prepared to see it slowly trickle in at the age of 10. I’d also appreciate anyone’s advice/input/experiences who *have* been through this. I was wondering if in your situation that what is going on with BM is being made ‘worse’ by the onset of puberty [which can be hard enough to go through and deal with in *ideal* situations]. Later, Tea

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Sorry to read this, Wendi — what a nasty experience for your family! — Didi Mother of 4, Step-mother of 1 "Children, perfection, and sanity.  You can only have 2 out of 3." Anonymous "Wendi" <wmar…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:ak5oe6$4sv$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello. > I’m not even sure where to begin this one. > Last night SS12 was in a mood from the moment he walked in the door.  The > beginning of the week was just great – last night they had dinner with BM. > He was yelling to and about the other kids, kicking things, beating on > things, you name it.  Finally when it was time to get ready to sit down for > dinner he starts a big screaming fit sitting in the living room – he’s tired > of everything, everyone is against him, he never gets anything, and so on. > SO took him by the shoulder and walked him back to his room so he could cool > off.  Soon as they got there he started screaming again about things that > didn’t make a bit of sense.  I sat down and had dinner with the other 4 kids > and got them talking about their days and stuff.  SO finally came back out > after we were finished with dinner cuz SS12 would absolutely not calm down > and say anything that was bothering him.  After a little dessert and some TV > time, it was time for showers.  I helped BS5 get done with his and walked > into the living room to be confronted by the sight of a police officer in > our dining room with SO.  Seems that SS12 managed to talk to one of his > friends and had the friend go to BM’s house and tell her that SO was beating > up SS12.  Since there wasn’t so much as a red mark on him anywhere, the > officer just wrote it up and left.  SS12 admitted to wanting BM to call the > police so SO would be arrested and he could go to BM’s for a while. > BM has convinced SS12 that everything would be just paradise if he went to > live with her, and she doesn’t seem to want the other 2.  She got him to > write a letter to the judge saying he’d rather live with her, and then she > filed for yet another modification of custody hearing.  SO’s lawyer is going > to work to get the whole thing thrown out again since the only evidence at > all for a change is SS12 saying he wants to be there – but he isn’t old > enough yet for his opinion to really count as evidence.  SS12’s behavior > problems have just gotten worse and worse over the past couple of years. > Everything is totally dramatic all the time.  Every minor cut, scrape, or > runny eye is blown completely out of proportion with constant demands of > doctor visits.  BM is always at the doctor – a migraine is reason enough to > go get a cat scan.  SS12 twisted his ankle the other day and if he doesn’t > think you can see him then he’ll walk almost fine on it – if he thinks > someone can see he then he’s falling down and can barely walk and it must be > broken.  You can correct him on some little thing and he seems able to > convince himself that you said something completely different and mean. He > convinced himself last night that I yelled at him that he couldn’t do > anything right – and SO was right there and knows I didn’t say anything of > the sort and never raised my voice at anyone.  He will continue to lie and > lie after he is completely caught – and I think he convinces himself of the > lies too – or lies about things that would never be anything except for the > fact he had to lie about it.  BM is a chronic liar – will even contradict > herself every other sentence if need be.  BM and her entire family have a > lot of mental problems – bipolar, psychotic episodes, BM’s grandmother was > in a mental institutions for a long time.  After much denial, SO is finally > ready to accept that SS12 may have inherited some part of it all and needs > actual therapy instead of just mild counseling.  Letting him go live with BM > would be an complete last resort if everything else possible failed, and it > was really detrimental to the others for him to remain with us.  (I’m not > saying that a child going to live with their other parent after a while is > bad thing at all – just that in this case, it would not be in SS12’s best > interest, has been decided that way in court, and that has been upheld twice > already.) > Anyway, I’m worried about the other 4 – SS10, SS8, BD7, and BS5.  I’m not > sure what to do to minimize the impact on SS10 and SS8 since they still have > to go over to BM’s for visitation, and she’ll freak out at them all the time > cuz she isn’t getting her way.  And, of course, I want to continue to shield > BK’s from all of it as much as possible.  I do keep my ex up to date on any > of the big things going on like this, and we talk about how much to tell > BK’s versus how much to try to keep them out of it (he’s a family > therapist). > As a side note, I do think it’s due to this group and reading things here > that has allowed me to get to a point where I can sit and listen to SS12 > scream about how much he hates me and can’t stand me and not get > particularly upset anymore – it’s not really about me anyway.  Last fall > this would have just ripped me up.  And sitting down and writing it all out > is always therapeutic in its own right. > enough for now… > Wendi

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Hello. I’m not even sure where to begin this one. Last night SS12 was in a mood from the moment he walked in the door.  The beginning of the week was just great – last night they had dinner with BM. He was yelling to and about the other kids, kicking things, beating on things, you name it.  Finally when it was time to get ready to sit down for dinner he starts a big screaming fit sitting in the living room – he’s tired of everything, everyone is against him, he never gets anything, and so on. SO took him by the shoulder and walked him back to his room so he could cool off.  Soon as they got there he started screaming again about things that didn’t make a bit of sense.  I sat down and had dinner with the other 4 kids and got them talking about their days and stuff.  SO finally came back out after we were finished with dinner cuz SS12 would absolutely not calm down and say anything that was bothering him.  After a little dessert and some TV time, it was time for showers.  I helped BS5 get done with his and walked into the living room to be confronted by the sight of a police officer in our dining room with SO.  Seems that SS12 managed to talk to one of his friends and had the friend go to BM’s house and tell her that SO was beating up SS12.  Since there wasn’t so much as a red mark on him anywhere, the officer just wrote it up and left.  SS12 admitted to wanting BM to call the police so SO would be arrested and he could go to BM’s for a while. BM has convinced SS12 that everything would be just paradise if he went to live with her, and she doesn’t seem to want the other 2.  She got him to write a letter to the judge saying he’d rather live with her, and then she filed for yet another modification of custody hearing.  SO’s lawyer is going to work to get the whole thing thrown out again since the only evidence at all for a change is SS12 saying he wants to be there – but he isn’t old enough yet for his opinion to really count as evidence.  SS12’s behavior problems have just gotten worse and worse over the past couple of years. Everything is totally dramatic all the time.  Every minor cut, scrape, or runny eye is blown completely out of proportion with constant demands of doctor visits.  BM is always at the doctor – a migraine is reason enough to go get a cat scan.  SS12 twisted his ankle the other day and if he doesn’t think you can see him then he’ll walk almost fine on it – if he thinks someone can see he then he’s falling down and can barely walk and it must be broken.  You can correct him on some little thing and he seems able to convince himself that you said something completely different and mean.  He convinced himself last night that I yelled at him that he couldn’t do anything right – and SO was right there and knows I didn’t say anything of the sort and never raised my voice at anyone.  He will continue to lie and lie after he is completely caught – and I think he convinces himself of the lies too – or lies about things that would never be anything except for the fact he had to lie about it.  BM is a chronic liar – will even contradict herself every other sentence if need be.  BM and her entire family have a lot of mental problems – bipolar, psychotic episodes, BM’s grandmother was in a mental institutions for a long time.  After much denial, SO is finally ready to accept that SS12 may have inherited some part of it all and needs actual therapy instead of just mild counseling.  Letting him go live with BM would be an complete last resort if everything else possible failed, and it was really detrimental to the others for him to remain with us.  (I’m not saying that a child going to live with their other parent after a while is bad thing at all – just that in this case, it would not be in SS12’s best interest, has been decided that way in court, and that has been upheld twice already.) Anyway, I’m worried about the other 4 – SS10, SS8, BD7, and BS5.  I’m not sure what to do to minimize the impact on SS10 and SS8 since they still have to go over to BM’s for visitation, and she’ll freak out at them all the time cuz she isn’t getting her way.  And, of course, I want to continue to shield BK’s from all of it as much as possible.  I do keep my ex up to date on any of the big things going on like this, and we talk about how much to tell BK’s versus how much to try to keep them out of it (he’s a family therapist). As a side note, I do think it’s due to this group and reading things here that has allowed me to get to a point where I can sit and listen to SS12 scream about how much he hates me and can’t stand me and not get particularly upset anymore – it’s not really about me anyway.  Last fall this would have just ripped me up.  And sitting down and writing it all out is always therapeutic in its own right. enough for now… Wendi

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http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/suifact.htm http://www.befrienders.org/info/statistics.htm http://www.sirius.com/~sfsp/stats.html From the sirius.com site: Generally, women are more likely than men to make suicide attempts, as over 50% of suicide attempts are made by women. However, men are much more likely to be successful at killing themselves as they choose more lethal methods of suicide.

Ah, yes.  The "non-lethal way to commit suicide" argument again. You are still arguing that women in general are so damn incompetent that they cannot tell the difference between something which is fatal and something which is not. — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you? It’s fact.  Look it up. Or do you want to contribute to the fallacy that men are lazy and need women to do things for them.. T9W — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon) look it up where?

Internet, library, textbooks, magazines…where do you usually look stuff up? I offered references to follow later, but they are not on site. They are at school, where I answered questions on the topic of mental illness. I can’t retrieve them until Monday, unless I want to do the search all over again. I choose not to… T9W – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tparker

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you? It’s fact.  Look it up. Or do you want to contribute to the fallacy that men are lazy and need women to do things for them..

I do not think it’s a fact that women are twenty times less competent than men.  I leave that sort of thing to sexists. — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)

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http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/suifact.htm http://www.befrienders.org/info/statistics.htm http://www.sirius.com/~sfsp/stats.html From the sirius.com site: Generally, women are more likely than men to make suicide attempts, as over 50% of suicide attempts are made by women. However, men are much more likely to be successful at killing themselves as they choose more lethal methods of suicide. T9W

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/suifact.htm http://www.befrienders.org/info/statistics.htm http://www.sirius.com/~sfsp/stats.html From the sirius.com site: Generally, women are more likely than men to make suicide attempts, as over 50% of suicide attempts are made by women. However, men are much more likely to be successful at killing themselves as they choose more lethal methods of suicide. T9W

Thanks for those references.  On the topic, why do you suppose emphasis is laid on the risk to girls when suicide by poisoning has been on the increase among men and boys and has been decreasing among women and girls?  In fact, in the years 1991 – 1998, males account for more than half of all suicides by poisoning, every year.  The last 10 years it has been around 60%. tparker

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/suifact.htm http://www.befrienders.org/info/statistics.htm http://www.sirius.com/~sfsp/stats.html From the sirius.com site: Generally, women are more likely than men to make suicide attempts, as over 50% of suicide attempts are made by women. However, men are much more likely to be successful at killing themselves as they choose more lethal methods of suicide. T9W Thanks for those references.  On the topic, why do you suppose emphasis is laid on the risk to girls when suicide by poisoning has been on the increase among men and boys and has been decreasing among women and girls?  In fact, in the years 1991 – 1998, males account for more than half of all suicides by poisoning, every year.  The last 10 years it has been around 60%. tparker

I don’t know. And, because of my beliefs in life and death, I don’t pay attention. I am bipolar myself, so suicide is an everyday occurrence in my circles. I know I will get flamed for "not caring" or "ambivalence towards teen suicide" but I believe what I believe and that’s all I got ta say about that. I do believe that if others want it stopped, it needs to be worked on on a case to case basis, as generalizations aren’t usually worth a damn. One police officer asked my friend Lewis "Why do you want to hurt yourself?" People contemplating suicide usually aren’t thinking about it hurting, in the first place. Secondly, the why can be a myriad of things from rejection by a crush to the coffee pot not working. Or even "Why not?" T9W

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.nimh.nih.gov/research/suifact.htm http://www.befrienders.org/info/statistics.htm http://www.sirius.com/~sfsp/stats.html From the sirius.com site: Generally, women are more likely than men to make suicide attempts, as over 50% of suicide attempts are made by women. However, men are much more likely to be successful at killing themselves as they choose more lethal methods of suicide. T9W Thanks for those references.  On the topic, why do you suppose emphasis is laid on the risk to girls when suicide by poisoning has been on the increase among men and boys and has been decreasing among women and girls?  In fact, in the years 1991 – 1998, males account for more than half of all suicides by poisoning, every year.  The last 10 years it has been around 60%. tparker I don’t know. And, because of my beliefs in life and death, I don’t pay attention. I am bipolar myself, so suicide is an everyday occurrence in my circles. I know I will get flamed for "not caring" or "ambivalence towards teen suicide" but I believe what I believe and that’s all I got ta say about that. I do believe that if others want it stopped, it needs to be worked on on a case to case basis, as generalizations aren’t usually worth a damn. One police officer asked my friend Lewis "Why do you want to hurt yourself?" People contemplating suicide usually aren’t thinking about it hurting, in the first place. Secondly, the why can be a myriad of things from rejection by a crush to the coffee pot not working. Or even "Why not?" T9W

OK – I’ve encountered the POV before.  No point in talking then – thanks for the info. tparker

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[..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming.

Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you? — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)

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[..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you?

It’s fact.  Look it up. Or do you want to contribute to the fallacy that men are lazy and need women to do things for them.. T9W – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you? It’s fact.  Look it up. Or do you want to contribute to the fallacy that men are lazy and need women to do things for them.. T9W — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)

look it up where? tparker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [..] More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. Ah, yet another feminist arguing that women are twenty times less competent than men. If a man said that, it would be called sexism. You people will do anything to avoid giving a shit about men’s lives, won’t you?

I have read a few of these posts, and have wondered to myself about the differences. I know a few people who have killed themselves in my life. One was a female who shot her face of with a riffle, she pulled the trigger with her toes. Another, was a man who tried to kill himself 3 times. I cant remember the first attempt, the second – he shot his face off. The third he drove over a cliff. Nightingale was his name. I sort of thought that was an ironic name for him to have, and kill himself with. I liked him, he was so passionate and sensitive, but older then me, so I never knew him until after the first attempt. I know a few others, but these ones where the ones I cared about. After that, I just felt that I couldn’t really care, or I felt that it was all made up, just a story and I just wanted to shake the person talking about it, or slap them and tell them to quit bothering me with such stuff. The only ideas that I can come up with in my mind right now are that perhaps when females contemplate suicide they are thinking of other reasons – then maybe men are – as to why they should not kill themselves, and therefore are not altogether committed to the act – hence live through the deed. I have been unable to contemplate the ideas of suicide until now, as I was so attached to it personally and socially as a child. Perhaps now, that I am allowing myself to think about it, I can make some headway with my thoughts and wont be plagued with the ideas in my dreams.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Teen Girls: Report So different genders choose different methods of suicide. What’s your point beyond the academic? It’s called the Stolen Spotlight.  Chive knows that five times as many boys kill themselves as girls, so he thinks that by manipulating the data (choosing to focus only on the one means of suicide that girls choose more often than boys), he can distort the picture in favor of female victimhood. It’s exactly what is done with violent crime.  Men obviously are victims of FAR more violent crime than women are, so by choosing to focus on the one small category of violent crime where women are actually about as likely to be victims as men (and then distorting the numbers to make it look even worse), the feminists grunt and strain to make women look like the victims. More females attempt suicide,

More females are not serious about it i.e. attention seeking behaviour. more males succeed because of the chosen method.

Bcause they are more likely GENUINE attempts. Phil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Links are forthcoming.

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Monday October 15 2:38 PM ET Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Teen Girls: Report NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Teenage girls remain at risk of suicide from overdosing on drugs such as pain relievers and antidepressants, despite an overall decline in poisonings among children and adolescents, study findings reveal.

Chive, don’t you ever get tired of this game? Teenage boys commit suicide FIVE TIMES as frequently as teenage girls do.  The only way you can find to make it look like girls are disproportionalely "victims" here is to pick a means of suicide (poison) that is favored by girls.

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Monday October 15 2:38 PM ET Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Chive’s Dates: Report NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Women who have dated Chive remain at risk of suicide from overdosing on drugs such as pain relievers and antidepressants, despite an overall decline in poisonings among people who have not dated

him, study findings reveal.

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| | Monday October 15 2:38 PM ET | | Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Chive’s Dates: Report | | NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Women who have dated Chive remain at risk of | suicide | from overdosing on drugs such as pain relievers and antidepressants, | despite an overall decline in poisonings among people who have not dated | him, study findings reveal. | Very enlightening Talesin, but did this study account for the obvious unstability that a woman must already have in order to choose to date a male apologist like Chive in the first place? — Hombre – Defender of the Universe!

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Very enlightening Talesin

Oxymoron. – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Teen Girls: Report So different genders choose different methods of suicide. What’s your point beyond the academic? It’s called the Stolen Spotlight.  Chive knows that five times as many boys kill themselves as girls, so he thinks that by manipulating the data (choosing to focus only on the one means of suicide that girls choose more often than boys), he can distort the picture in favor of female victimhood. It’s exactly what is done with violent crime.  Men obviously are victims of FAR more violent crime than women are, so by choosing to focus on the one small category of violent crime where women are actually about as likely to be victims as men (and then distorting the numbers to make it look even worse), the feminists grunt and strain to make women look like the victims.

More females attempt suicide, more males succeed because of the chosen method.  Links are forthcoming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Teen Girls: Report So different genders choose different methods of suicide. What’s your point beyond the academic?

It’s called the Stolen Spotlight.  Chive knows that five times as many boys kill themselves as girls, so he thinks that by manipulating the data (choosing to focus only on the one means of suicide that girls choose more often than boys), he can distort the picture in favor of female victimhood. It’s exactly what is done with violent crime.  Men obviously are victims of FAR more violent crime than women are, so by choosing to focus on the one small category of violent crime where women are actually about as likely to be victims as men (and then distorting the numbers to make it look even worse), the feminists grunt and strain to make women look like the victims.

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Very enlightening Talesin Oxymoron. Whereas you’re just a plain moron… No, he is an Ultra Moron

Comning from "Taleshit", Usenet’s biggest moron, that doesn’t mean very much. Poor, lonely fake witch.   – Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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This is a good question. In the placebo group that did not know Chive’s Mind the rate was within the norms but only women who suffered from extreme depression and poor self image would volunteer to date Chive.

The same poor shmucks who would let themselves be studied by a fat old stalking creep like you… Carl N O T E: Your ass has just been kicked courtesy of de Valois

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Very enlightening Talesin Oxymoron. Whereas you’re just a plain moron…

No, he is an Ultra Moron — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | Monday October 15 2:38 PM ET | | Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Chive’s Dates: Report | | NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Women who have dated Chive remain at risk of | suicide | from overdosing on drugs such as pain relievers and antidepressants, | despite an overall decline in poisonings among people who have not dated | him, study findings reveal. | Very enlightening Talesin, but did this study account for the obvious unstability that a woman must already have in order to choose to date a male apologist like Chive in the first place?

This is a good question. In the placebo group that did not know Chive’s Mind the rate was within the norms but only women who suffered from extreme depression and poor self image would volunteer to date Chive. — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid!

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Very enlightening Talesin Oxymoron.

Whereas you’re just a plain moron…

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Very enlightening Talesin Oxymoron. Whereas you’re just a plain moron…

Just out of curiousity, why did you *two* decide to start posting here–did you give up on ARW? H.H. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com    With NINE Servers In California And Texas – The Worlds Uncensored News Source

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Monday October 15 2:38 PM ET Self-Poisoning Risk Highest in Teen Girls: Report NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Teenage girls remain at risk of suicide from overdosing on drugs such as pain relievers and antidepressants, despite an overall decline in poisonings among children and adolescents, study findings reveal. The findings underscore the need for targeted suicide prevention efforts that include parents, teachers and doctors, according to Dr. France Gauvin of the University of Washington in Seattle and colleagues. Their report, published in the October issue of the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine, documents a decrease in the number of hospitalizations caused by poisonings among children from birth to 18 years of age in Washington State from 1987 to 1997. Among those hospitalized, teenagers accounted for about three-quarters of patients, and teenage girls were 2.5 times more likely than boys to be admitted to a hospital because of poisoning. Attempted suicide was the most common cause of poisoning, accounting for 47% of cases, and the reported cause among 99% of teenagers and 77% of girls, according to hospital data. “Because female teenagers continue as the highest risk group for a suicide attempt by ingestion of pharmacologic agents, prevention efforts should be targeted to this population,” Gauvin and colleagues write. The investigators found that pharmaceutical agents were used by 80% of teenagers hospitalized for poisoning. Pain relievers were used in roughly one third of teenage poisonings, followed by antidepressants and drugs such as tranquilizers and sedatives. Younger children were more likely to ingest non-pharmaceutical substances such as cleaning fluids and solvents, the report indicates. According to the researchers, preventive measures and the creation of poison centers have resulted in a sharp decline in the number of child and teenage deaths caused by poisoning over the past 50 years. In 1950, more than 800 US children died from accidental or intentional poisonings compared with fewer than 50 in 1997. “Nevertheless, acute intoxication remains an important cause of illness in children,” Gauvin’s team concludes. SOURCE: Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine 2001;155:1105-1110. – Science is not belief, but the will to find out.

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For it to effectively be Global, it would need to be taken up by the many other bodies who use the CPA designation. America isn’t the world, and with respect its accountants aren’t regarded necessarily as the world leaders in Accounting are they? Peter French MAcc CMA Australia

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some of the clearest information yet available regarding the so called XYZ / Cognitor designation the AICPA has been pushing.  For once it appears possible to get some IMHO, that particular designation will only service to confuse the issue and devalue CPA certificates. It’s a bad idea.

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At this point I don’t have an opinion I would be willing to defend.  The only thing I’m certain of is that there are an unusually large number of strong opinions on both sides of the issue.

I think that’s one of the things that has truly confused the matter. I also note that each side seems more than willing to impute bad motives to the other side. My own position is, frankly, based primarily on my belief that the AICPA won’t be able to pull off the marketing necessary for the credential, even if I were to decide it was a good idea.  On the basic idea of such a credential, I’m probably closer to your view–I am not strongly committed either way.

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For it to effectively be Global, it would need to be taken up by the many other bodies who use the CPA designation. America isn’t the world, and with respect its accountants aren’t regarded necessarily as the world leaders in Accounting are they? Peter French MAcc CMA Australia

Peter, Based on my experience in dealing with these so called "world  leaders" in the course of legislative matters, I think I have a pretty good idea as to what they would like to think about themselves.  As to how the rest of the world views them – I don’t have a clue.  You are in a far better position than I to comment on that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At this point I don’t have an opinion I would be willing to defend.  The only thing I’m certain of is that there are an unusually large number of strong opinions on both sides of the issue. I think that’s one of the things that has truly confused the matter. I also note that each side seems more than willing to impute bad motives to the other side. My own position is, frankly, based primarily on my belief that the AICPA won’t be able to pull off the marketing necessary for the credential, even if I were to decide it was a good idea.  On the basic idea of such a credential, I’m probably closer to your view–I am not strongly committed either way.

Ed, This topic seems to have generated more heat among accountants than anything I’ve seen in years, and I genuinely do not get it.  For me it is sort of like looking at one of those "far out" cartoons and not having a clue as to what the cartoonist is trying to convey. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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Based on my experience in dealing with these so called "world  leaders" in the course of legislative matters, I think I have a pretty good idea as to what they would like to think about themselves.  As to how the rest of the world views them – I don’t have a clue.  You are in a far better position than I to comment on that.

Actually, this is an international effort, though my understanding is that the makeup of who is "in" and "out" has changed through the process.  I don’t recall if Australia was part of the process, but I do believe that New Zealand either was involved (and dropped out) or is involved now. I know the UK was involved and then rejected the project. That said, it likely cannot succeed without the US being involved, though US approval by itself will not create a global credential. Perhaps even more important is this–what will the Big 5 do about it? Their support, or lack thereof, is likely going to be the most important aspect. That also brings up another issue–this project has suffered from a split personality from early on.  One push for it is a globalization issue–to get a unified accounting credential.  I believe that justification was the reason why the UK and Ireland were part of the process initially and was actually the issue that got the discussions running.  The second issue, which seems to have now overtaken the first justification, is to expand the "CPA/CA/whatever you call it <grin" brand outside of accounting.  As this became more important, much of the initial international support seems to have dried up. Most of the US discussion now hinges on this second issue.

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Actually, in the sense Britain was a century or so ago, America is. AFAIK, when you talk about people putting up their own money, America is the center of accounting thought.  When they have a chance, the people who actually pay the bills, prefer American GAAP.  Now if you can show otherwise, with out referring to the preferences of national political bodies, I am certainly willing to listen. For it to effectively be Global, it would need to be taken up by the many other bodies who use the CPA designation. America isn’t the world, and with respect its accountants aren’t regarded necessarily as the world leaders in Accounting are they?

… — *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *                                                             * *  Retired, but always willing to consider a good job offer.  * *    From the Socialist People’s Republic of Kalifornia,      * *                   Ayn Rand was right                        *

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That also brings up another issue–this project has suffered from a split personality from early on.  One push for it is a globalization issue–to get a unified accounting credential.  I believe that justification was the reason why the UK and Ireland were part of the process initially and was actually the issue that got the discussions running.  The second issue, which seems to have now overtaken the first justification, is to expand the "CPA/CA/whatever you call it <grin" brand outside of accounting.  As this became more important, much of the initial international support seems to have dried up. Most of the US discussion now hinges on this second issue.

This comment is very helpful. I observed the same pattern in our local legislative effort.  The WSCPA opened with a lot of hype about "uniformity" and then moved into a massive expansion of both accounting and who could do it.  Our most contentious issue was non-CPA ownership of CPA firms. There is obviously a huge difference between an effort to formulate a uniform definition of "Certified / Chartered Accountant" and an effort to create a "Global Business Credential".  I can see some merit it each, and do believe that a sane discussion on each separately would be beneficial.  This is not to say that I agree with either, only that I believe a rational discussion would be beneficial. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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<HEAVY SNIP  The second issue, which seems to have now overtaken the first justification, is to expand the "CPA/CA/whatever you call it <grin" brand outside of accounting.  As this became more important, much of the initial international support seems to have dried up. Most of the US discussion now hinges on this second issue.

This is true. I headed up a national taskforce here in the mid 1980’s looking at allowing non CPA/CAs into partnership due the direction that the professional was heading. Only now id that issue being realistically addressed. In the meantime the smaller forms stuck like glue to their "CPA/CA" designations whereas the big 8/7/6/5/4/? dropped the particular designations to such titles at "Accountants & Advisors". To me the whole thing is a bit like the various attempts to issue a degree higher than the PhD – someone has suggested ‘Chancellor’ which seems about as ridiculous as this XYZ. In the end the client couldn’t really give a damn – you are either good for him and safe, or a timebomb and a waste of money. Peter French

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troll.  I am entirely serious.

I know you are

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Some of the clearest information yet available regarding the so called XYZ / Cognitor designation the AICPA has been pushing.  For once it appears possible to get some

IMHO, that particular designation will only service to confuse the issue and devalue CPA certificates. It’s a bad idea.

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Some of the clearest information yet available regarding the so called XYZ / Cognitor designation the AICPA has been pushing.  For once it appears possible to get some IMHO, that particular designation will only service to confuse the issue and devalue CPA certificates. It’s a bad idea.

At this point I don’t have an opinion I would be willing to defend.  The only thing I’m certain of is that there are an unusually large number of strong opinions on both sides of the issue. I would be interested to know why you believe what you do.  This is not a troll.  I am entirely serious. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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Some of the clearest information yet available regarding the so called XYZ / Cognitor designation the AICPA has been pushing.  For once it appears possible to get some reasonably solid information without first having to peel off 10 layers of hysterical hype and spin. http://www.accountingweb.com/members/aicpa/content/info/index.htm — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://home.att.net/~jdhcpa/mainpage.html Washington, USA

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I guess I should have kept my 2 cents to myself… I was in a situation similar to the post I read – my dad tried to kill me when I left at 18… Kat…

And you were right to raise the issue. Perhaps not the best way to raise it.  This post is better. We all gotta learn somehow. Welcome to AAR.  Where there is no right way, only different ways. Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kat who is this reply to and what does it reference.  Please leave a little of what you are replying to in a post so people know what you are replying to. If this is in any way a response to Silenced, please read his post carefully and follow the thread some before you get into this discussion.  There is a great deal of history on this that you are unaware of. Dorothy Kat… wrote… Sweetheart… Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough on your father to get him put a way for a long long time… All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… He/she can do this from up to a mile away… You and the PI then take the evidence to the police… The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… It doesn’t take long to do this either… There has got to be someone who will do that for you to get you out of there…  I am sure of it. I know one thing… Your father won’t let you leave alive. When your father starts feeling threatened, or feels like he is unable to control you further he will try to kill you… Please – You have to get out!!!  SOON! Kat…

– Free your heart from your mind.  Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not.        Charles deLint

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Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup so I don’t step on my tongue again… Kat… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you were right to raise the issue. Perhaps not the best way to raise it.  This post is better. We all gotta learn somehow. Welcome to AAR.  Where there is no right way, only different ways. Greg I guess I should have kept my 2 cents to myself… I was in a situation similar to the post I read – my dad tried to kill me when I left at 18… Kat… Kat who is this reply to and what does it reference.  Please leave a little of what you are replying to in a post so people know what you are replying to. If this is in any way a response to Silenced, please read his post carefully and follow the thread some before you get into this discussion.  There is a great deal of history on this that you are unaware of. Dorothy

:Sweetheart… :Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is :going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough n your father to get him put a way for a long long time… :All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… :He/she can do this from up to a mile away… :You and the PI then take the evidence to the police… :The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… (Snip…) :Kat…

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nope, no FAQ.. but we do have an anti-FAQ .. you can read it at: http://www.cmjcom.com/aar.htm

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I believe Pat replied with the Anti-FAQ. This can be a rough crowd.  We all have footprints on our tongues. That is how we learn to walk carefully and keep track of our tongues at the same time. And learn the value of forgiveness. Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup so I don’t step on my tongue again… Kat… And you were right to raise the issue. Perhaps not the best way to raise it.  This post is better. We all gotta learn somehow. Welcome to AAR.  Where there is no right way, only different ways. Greg I guess I should have kept my 2 cents to myself… I was in a situation similar to the post I read – my dad tried to kill me when I left at 18… Kat… Kat who is this reply to and what does it reference.  Please leave a little of what you are replying to in a post so people know what you are replying to. If this is in any way a response to Silenced, please read his post carefully and follow the thread some before you get into this discussion.  There is a great deal of history on this that you are unaware of. Dorothy :Sweetheart… :Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is :going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough n your father to get him put a way for a long long time… :All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… :He/she can do this from up to a mile away… :You and the PI then take the evidence to the police… :The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… (Snip…) :Kat…

– Free your heart from your mind.  Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not.        Charles deLint

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I guess I should have kept my 2 cents to myself… I was in a situation similar to the post I read – my dad tried to kill me when I left at 18… Kat… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kat who is this reply to and what does it reference.  Please leave a little of what you are replying to in a post so people know what you are replying to. If this is in any way a response to Silenced, please read his post carefully and follow the thread some before you get into this discussion.  There is a great deal of history on this that you are unaware of. Dorothy Kat… wrote… Sweetheart… Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough on your father to get him put a way for a long long time… All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… He/she can do this from up to a mile away… You and the PI then take the evidence to the police… The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… It doesn’t take long to do this either… There has got to be someone who will do that for you to get you out of there…  I am sure of it. I know one thing… Your father won’t let you leave alive. When your father starts feeling threatened, or feels like he is unable to control you further he will try to kill you… Please – You have to get out!!!  SOON! Kat…

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Over in asar (now asarm) and aar, I’ve seen folks come into the groups, going ballistic at the drop of a pin, taking things out of context… and over time, *learn* how to communicate because *some* of the posters did not retaliate, but instead, reached out gently without condemnation or judgement…

Like you, GW. Heh… not all flamers/reactors can be reached; but some can, more so now that the web explosion has made the net accessible to so many…  Before *this* media came on the scene, a lot of people had no outlet, had no way to express themselves, uncork the pressure cooker so to speak… In many ways, I think the web/net is going to have an impact on personal communications similar to that caused by the printing press…  *but* – it’s going to take a long time, a very long time…

Maybe not as long as you think.  With the current market penetration, I’d say the era of the internet is upon us. "dad" – I may be overreacting, however, FOR ME, staying firmly within the law and utilizing every legal option I can is very necessary.  If I resort to illegal methods, then IN MY OWN MIND, I am no better than my own dad. *whoof* – touche’ – and good point… *This*, imNsho, is more standing up for your own principles than what Jeff suggested…

Yes.  More than is expected imo.  Which is to say, again, yes. GW, you have the makings of a great role model. Jeff

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I’m only lurking except for Jeff’s threads, but thanks for the welcome.  The people here have a lot of insight on many things and I read and learn. Thanks, Greg. Dorothy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [irrelevant since I am hijacking this post] Hello, Dorothy, Seems you have snuck in here and joined us, if only for so long as these threads with Jeff last. The other day, I scanned quickly through the three weeks of APS active on my server, particularly your and Glen’s posts. Welcome. Greg — A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried.   Mani

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[irrelevant since I am hijacking this post] Hello, Dorothy, Seems you have snuck in here and joined us, if only for so long as these threads with Jeff last. The other day, I scanned quickly through the three weeks of APS active on my server, particularly your and Glen’s posts. Welcome. Greg — A man may happen to believe himself the guardian of a message, whereas he is nothing but the coffin in which it lies buried.   Mani

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Hi, Spirit Chaser… and hopefully Silenced; Well said, Spirit Chaser… thanks for expressing what I’ve thought… I hope he’s still reading; I agree with all you’ve said… Silenced, I was unable to read your initial post, but I do believe that it is the same one on CYaegers site….I have not read it yet. I will after I respond to you.

It is… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have an incredible gift in the articulation of your emotions, and I admire you a great deal for the ability to be able to express yourself in the manner you have thus shown. You have brought to the surface many points that cut deeply in the hearts and minds of all of us…….I urge you to continue posting. Within this virtual world, there are many who will discourage you, and provide childish insults driven by their own insecurities and emotions….we must take others at face value. You have a message that needs to be heard and understood, and you offer a great deal of insight to a world  that not all of us have ever, nor will ever experience.  I would greatly look forward to seeing more from you in the coming future. I urge you to continue posting…..your gift of expression is rare, and certainly needed for those who are not able to do so in the manner you have thus far. It does help to be able to relay your feelings…….and the feelings of others who have gone through similar circumstances in their lives….. You have an audience, whether you believe you do or not…..and you certainly have *my* attention. SC

You have my attention as well, Silenced… and fwiw, I believe you… GhostWolf  - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –  - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –  Words that soak into your soul are whispered, not yelled

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(posted/emailed) Hi, Silenced… This is really sad. I and my friends give up as of this post.  I’m pulling out all stops, and intentionally writing as concisely as I can. I am writing this from my "Friend"s computer, and he is helping me with the phraseology as I write.  I happen to ENJOY learning, regardless of the source of that learning. As one poster correctly noted, I very much seek to improve my language and writing abilities at every opportunity.

I sincerely hope you don’t stop posting, Silenced; you have much to offer, and; imNsho, even though what you have to offer and what you share is hard reading, I personally feel it is something everyone (not just adults) *needs* to know… If it feeds the doubt about who I am, or raises more questions about my skills vis a vis my age, that’s life.

No doubts here, fwiw… I am beginning to wonder if the speculation and suspicion may be because PERHAPS the way I write and express myself is pushing some buttons for some people?

Seriously, I think so; for years I have believed… hmmmm, no, *known*, that there is such a thing as "intellectual discrimination/prejudice" that works *both* ways… Quite a few intellectuals look down their noses at those less gifted/educated; and those who are less gifted/educated take the same stance towards those who are more educated… and less educated, for that matter… Laughing softly here; you write better than *I* do, and I’m a senior technical writer 8*)  The difference is that I *appreciate* your style and presentation; and even though I’ve saved your posts because what you have to say is solid truth and *needs* to be heard, your posts are also excellent examples of writing 8*) Many of my peers resent me and my fellow geek friends (yes, that is what we are called, and quite a few things worse) because we speak better, write better, and in general express ourselves more intelligently than they.  Oh, some of them have shared that is EXACTLY how they feel when they are around us or have compositions we’ve written held up as an example to them in school.

Sad smile… been there, done that, got the shirt… we were called "eggheads" and "domeheads"… lockers sabotaged (skunk scent and worse sprayed inside), books slammed out of our hands, etc… had other students come up to us and accuse us of making them look bad, of trying to be better than them… Yeah… bt, dt… What you wrote next though… *whew* 8*(  Unfortunately, it happens far too often, and it’s been happening for *years*… I’ve experienced similar treatement in school too… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think part of the problem (any teachers out there? pay attention to this, OK?) is the WAY the teachers use what we write as examples: Instead of showing what makes what we write GOOD, almost all of the teachers use it to SHAME the other students; i.e. "Why can’t you write like THIS?  Did you leave your brains under the pillow this morning?" for one example. Don’t you comprehend that SHAMING children and teens in this manner does NOT teach them anything, but only produces RESENTMENT and anger in those students who do NOT have the skills I and friends have learned?  Do you not comprehend that nearly ALL (note that I said "nearly") children and teens who are shamed in this manner KNOW they cannot take out that resentment and shame on the teacher because there would be consequences – so they take it out on the SOURCE of that resentment – US?  Attempting to SHAME students into becoming more skilled does not teach them ANYTHING positive at all, and only serves to drive a lot of them into taking out that shame on the other children who are, in their minds, the source of that shame. That’s TEACHING the students to ABUSE.  That IS abuse.  You don’t like hearing that?  Tough. DEAL.

Nodding; again, bt, dt… it also happens in the homes though; and is far more widespread than most would like to think, imNsho… "Only a C??? You’ll never amount to anything" is one example… My legal guardian forced me to quit/drop out of the boy scouts when my high school GPA dropped below 3.0… well, I *was* taking trig and calculus in my junior year, and it was *hard* for me, and I got a C in that… wasn’t good enough for her… My mother used my rather good grades in history, english, and chemistry *against* my sister *in the same way you describe above*; telling her "Don’t you have a brain at all?  You *can’t* be his sister, because you sure didn’t get the same brain HE did!" …and worse… She also used the accomplishments of our friends against both of us… they’d win various awards for their work, and it was used to denigrate us, put us down, shame us… All as an attempt to *motivate* us to do better… As you’ve noted, it doesn’t work at all… Peggy and I only became more resentful, more bitter, more disillusioned… Now.  I’m wondering if you objecters are feeling a bit put down by how I write and express myself at some subconscious level.

I think some are… and I sincerely hope I am not one of them… I’m also wondering if maybe there is some degree of resentment because maybe I write better than your own children or children you know?

I’ve seen this happen between families… too many times… heck, *once* is too many… One example… in the church I attended back in NJ, families would get together a *lot*… several of the families had rather intelligent children, and in some of those families, the parents took an active interest in encouraging that intelligence… More than once, when visiting *other* families, the parents of the other children would say – *in front of their own children* – things like "who do they think they are?  God’s Gift to Creation, showing off their superiority like that?" or "Oh, we tolerate them; after all, if it wasn’t for people like us, those [eggheads/geeks/nerds] would have *no* friends at all" …. sigh… You’re right, Silenced; that is not only abusive, it is teaching our children *to* be abusive… To the one who emailed me expressing this, thanks for pointing that out.  I think you have a very good point, sadly enough. I won’t name you, because from what I have seen here and on other newsgroups, it would only open you to flames, and you don’t need that in your life.  Be sure to thank your wife for me, OK?

Nodding… Next, to address another piece of email I received expressing thoughts someone else that posts here has pondered. I have to paraphrase it from memory:  The thrust of the thoughts were that "if I am really who I say I am, it is a miracle that I’ve survived." Dang – I don’t know if I’ve been subtly damned or praised, so I will just let that be.

Heh heh heh 8*)  I lean towards the praise, myself 8*)  I think you’ve done very well, fwiw, and are doing well… though I admit I wish you could get out of there *now* 8*( First, I want to say that I and my friends were very close to going over the edge and taking rather illegal action, very similar to the two teens in Columbine.  What we did see is that all of the variables that drove them over the edge were buried in the media hype and hysteria; all of the factors that drive children and teens into such great frustration were not heard by those who really NEED to hear that.  We got the point real fast, and realized we had to find some different outlet.  The net and newsgroups, and our resulting research culminating in our post "Why we don’t talk."

Nodding; and I think you and your friends have shown greater maturity *and* thoughtfulness than many adults… fwiw, I don’t think there is a human being alive that, at one time or another, hasn’t had at least *a* thought of extreme violence cross throught their mind… What is commendable – and honorable, as far as I am concerned, is that you thought it through, and figured out a way to express your frustration (and more) *constructively*… even though there are many who just do not seem to be able to really *read* your posts and see what you are saying… Not only that you express here that you figured out a good outlet (posting here), but what you say later on in your post, down below, about staying *within the law*… I’ve seen too many adults give up and take *illegal* steps to achieve satisfaction… heh… and that teaches children that the law can be ignored… "well, Mom and Dad Did It, so…"   …I’ve heard that too, as a justification for ethnic slurs, or cheating on tests, or picking on less fortunate people… "mom and dad do it…" 8*( By the way, I and my friends also see a lot of those same factors here on the newsgroups.  Shaming, name calling, hazing, put-downs, etc. It is really depressing, no; SAD, to us, reading all of the responses to what we’ve written. The questioning, arguing, name calling, ABUSE so many of you are inflicting on each other is appalling – the ones involved in this are NO BETTER than the teens in my school and so many other schools who delight in hazing and putting each other down instead of THINKING and trying to figure out constructive ways to deal with the various frustrations of life.

Nodding again… in some ways though, Silenced, it can be a good thing in the long run… because here, it’s an exchange of characters on the screen; it’d be mighty hard for me, for example, to reach through this screen to get in your face ;*) Over in asar (now asarm) and aar, I’ve seen folks come into the groups, going ballistic at the drop of a pin, taking things out of context… and over time, *learn* how to communicate because *some* of the posters did not retaliate, but instead, reached out gently without condemnation or judgement… Heh… not all flamers/reactors can be reached; but some can, more so now that the web explosion has made the net accessible to so many…  Before *this*

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Kat who is this reply to and what does it reference.  Please leave a little of what you are replying to in a post so people know what you are replying to. If this is in any way a response to Silenced, please read his post carefully and follow the thread some before you get into this discussion.  There is a great deal of history on this that you are unaware of. Dorothy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sweetheart… Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough on your father to get him put a way for a long long time… All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… He/she can do this from up to a mile away… You and the PI then take the evidence to the police… The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… It doesn’t take long to do this either… There has got to be someone who will do that for you to get you out of there…  I am sure of it. I know one thing… Your father won’t let you leave alive. When your father starts feeling threatened, or feels like he is unable to control you further he will try to kill you… Please – You have to get out!!!  SOON! Kat…

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<snip I do wish I could have replied to the first post….if I thought it wasn’t too late, I would paste it from CY’s site and reply to it that way…… Hell…..I might do it anyway…. SC "Little girls…..like butterflies, need no excuse." —Robert Heinlein

I wish you would SC,  I reposted it once for your response and I would like to hear what you have to say about it. Dorothy

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Sweetheart… Get a private investigator on your behalf to remote record what is going on… Using a remote mike and infared – the PI can get enough on your father to get him put a way for a long long time…   All the PI has to do is sit outside the house and record… He/she can do this from up to a mile away… You and the PI then take the evidence to the police…   The PI is also a credible wittness to the abuse… It doesn’t take long to do this either… There has got to be someone who will do that for you to get you out of there…  I am sure of it. I know one thing… Your father won’t let you leave alive. When your father starts feeling threatened, or feels like he is unable to control you further he will try to kill you… Please – You have to get out!!!  SOON! Kat…

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Instead of showing what makes what we write GOOD, almost all of the teachers use it to SHAME the other students; i.e. "Why can’t you write like THIS?  Did you leave your brains under the pillow this morning?" for one example.

A lousy way of teaching. Some teachers never learned to teach. But is that really surprising? Lots of people never learn their jobs. —     _____      /  ’               /   ,-/-, __  __.  ____  /_  (_/   / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is really sad. I and my friends give up as of this post.  I’m pulling out all stops, and intentionally writing as concisely as I can. I am writing this from my "Friend"s computer, and he is helping me with the phraseology as I write.  I happen to ENJOY learning, regardless of the source of that learning. As one poster correctly noted, I very much seek to improve my language and writing abilities at every opportunity. If it feeds the doubt about who I am, or raises more questions about my skills vis a vis my age, that’s life. I am beginning to wonder if the speculation and suspicion may be because PERHAPS the way I write and express myself is pushing some buttons for some people? Many of my peers resent me and my fellow geek friends (yes, that is what we are called, and quite a few things worse) because we speak better, write better, and in general express ourselves more intelligently than they.  Oh, some of them have shared that is EXACTLY how they feel when they are around us or have compositions we’ve written held up as an example to them in school. I think part of the problem (any teachers out there? pay attention to this, OK?) is the WAY the teachers use what we write as examples: Instead of showing what makes what we write GOOD, almost all of the teachers use it to SHAME the other students; i.e. "Why can’t you write like THIS?  Did you leave your brains under the pillow this morning?" for one example. Don’t you comprehend that SHAMING children and teens in this manner does NOT teach them anything, but only produces RESENTMENT and anger in those students who do NOT have the skills I and friends have learned?  Do you not comprehend that nearly ALL (note that I said "nearly") children and teens who are shamed in this manner KNOW they cannot take out that resentment and shame on the teacher because there would be consequences – so they take it out on the SOURCE of that resentment – US?  Attempting to SHAME students into becoming more skilled does not teach them ANYTHING positive at all, and only serves to drive a lot of them into taking out that shame on the other children who are, in their minds, the source of that shame. That’s TEACHING the students to ABUSE.  That IS abuse.  You don’t like hearing that?  Tough. DEAL. Now.  I’m wondering if you objecters are feeling a bit put down by how I write and express myself at some subconscious level. I’m also wondering if maybe there is some degree of resentment because maybe I write better than your own children or children you know? To the one who emailed me expressing this, thanks for pointing that out.  I think you have a very good point, sadly enough. I won’t name you, because from what I have seen here and on other newsgroups, it would only open you to flames, and you don’t need that in your life.  Be sure to thank your wife for me, OK? Next, to address another piece of email I received expressing thoughts someone else that posts here has pondered. I have to paraphrase it from memory:  The thrust of the thoughts were that "if I am really who I say I am, it is a miracle that I’ve survived." Dang – I don’t know if I’ve been subtly damned or praised, so I will just let that be. First, I want to say that I and my friends were very close to going over the edge and taking rather illegal action, very similar to the two teens in Columbine.  What we did see is that all of the variables that drove them over the edge were buried in the media hype and hysteria; all of the factors that drive children and teens into such great frustration were not heard by those who really NEED to hear that.  We got the point real fast, and realized we had to find some different outlet.  The net and newsgroups, and our resulting research culminating in our post "Why we don’t talk." By the way, I and my friends also see a lot of those same factors here on the newsgroups.  Shaming, name calling, hazing, put-downs, etc. It is really depressing, no; SAD, to us, reading all of the responses to what we’ve written. The questioning, arguing, name calling, ABUSE so many of you are inflicting on each other is appalling – the ones involved in this are NO BETTER than the teens in my school and so many other schools who delight in hazing and putting each other down instead of THINKING and trying to figure out constructive ways to deal with the various frustrations of life. I’m drifting off-topic, so back to the purported "miracle" of my and my friends’ survival. Some may perceive this next part as "abuse-sizing"; however, I think at times it can be beneficial. There are a LOT of other survivors who have not only experienced worse, but who have gone on to have DECENT lives – not that they are living happy-happy joy-joy lives, but they ARE living stable lives.  I and my friends did a substantial amount of surfing before chosing our (evidently futile) course of action.  Regardless, here are some URLs for you to browse; some are survivor pages, and some are resource pages: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/1022/ http://www.sehlat.com/survs.html http://members.tripod.com/~insurv/ http://www.feminist.com/rainn.htm/ http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Bistro/4780/survivor.htm http://www.noahgrey.com/massf/ (this one is GOOD – many of the MALES who post here have gone through FAR more than I) http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/1520/surv.html http://www.nemasys.com/ghostwolf/ http://www.lunchpail.com/tess/ http://www.aimnet.com/~mijo/SoulSearch.html http://www.angelfire.com/fl/kimssafeplace/ http://www.asarian-host.org/karmagrrl/ There are so MANY more.  Several of the above websites have links to OTHER survivor pages.  Take the time out from your busy lives on these newsgroups and go READ survivor sites. <Sarcasm You Just Might Learn Something </Sarcasm I and my friends are a MINOR miracle, when what so many other survivors have experienced is taken into account.  Yes.  There are MANY survivors who have not "made it"; survivors who are now in institutions, dead via the hands of their abusers – or by their OWN hands.  BUT – there are many exceptions, and the list above is a very miniscule example. Finally, to address some minor issues: "dad" – I may be overreacting, however, FOR ME, staying firmly within the law and utilizing every legal option I can is very necessary.  If I resort to illegal methods, then IN MY OWN MIND, I am no better than my own dad. Regarding being able to leave at 18:  I have to wonder if, when people read posts, if they really READ what is said. I SAID that my dad is encouraging me to GO TO COLLEGE, and that I am FEEDING his ego by "stepping into line" and showing an "interest" in what he wants me to pursue FOR my life, AND by submitting to HIS whims, etc. without protest. In simple words:  I am, in his eyes, being his Good Widdle Boy now, following in HIS footsteps as he wishes.  He has ALREADY selected several potential colleges for me, all of which are from 500 to 3000 miles from here. Why should I NOT take advantage of him?  If, by being the compliant son, I can go to a college of HIS choosing where my time is MY OWN, then why not?  HE will be providing ME with the very tool and resources I need to achieve MY goals.  He is amazingly like a child in his excitement of "helping" me choose a college, the major and minor, and a college-to-career path that emulates his own.  It is in some ways fun to watch, and in other ways pathetic.  HE IS SETTING ME FREE, and he has no idea at all. WHY is that so hard for so many of you to comprehend? What I have to endure for the next 2 years is NOTHING compared to what so many survivors have endured for their entire life. I will be FREE, and I will have done it legally, morally, and ethically.  I have to do it that way FOR ME, NOT to please some self-proclaimed rescuer or white knight. In closing, I wish to admit that I laughed very hard when I read what you wrote, GhostWolf (I had not noticed until now that you capitalize the "W"): Snipping to section: Wry grin too… I was rather bemused by that other thread that talked about the kid who got an A+ for paper, but got expelled because of the contents of that paper… I don’t remember who posted the actual paper, but I was stunned at the incredibly poor spelling, use of sentence structure and more, and would have given it a C at best… My own son, as well as my neices and nephews, were writing *far* better than that when they were still in grade school! For that matter, a lot of the posts I’ve seen here, on AAC, on AAR, and many other newsgroups (and websites!) have been absolutely pathetic… Heh… one *could* argue the other way, that those posts and websites are produced by teens trying to pass themselves off as adults ;*) Excellent!  I think you may have a good point here.  What you said next is PART of what I and my friends have been TRYING to get across to the "adults" on these groups: I think this is all more a reflection on the current school systems *and* parenting, more than anything else… I and my own relatives took direct interest in our children’s education, and had

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<snip Silenced, because I am a *teacher,* myself, I had to comment on this part of your post.   Everything you say rings true to me in terms of why these problems occur.  I hope you will not leave us to our own devices.  Your analysis is clear and to the point. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Many of my peers resent me and my fellow geek friends (yes, that is what we are called, and quite a few things worse) because we speak better, write better, and in general express ourselves more intelligently than they.  Oh, some of them have shared that is EXACTLY how they feel when they are around us or have compositions we’ve written held up as an example to them in school. I think part of the problem (any teachers out there? pay attention to this, OK?) is the WAY the teachers use what we write as examples: Instead of showing what makes what we write GOOD, almost all of the teachers use it to SHAME the other students; i.e. "Why can’t you write like THIS?  Did you leave your brains under the pillow this morning?" for one example.

I cannot imagine a good teacher saying something like this, but if it has been your experience I am sorry.  The good teachers I know would never even hold up another kids writing as an example.  The idea is to improve your own writing by editing. And to work with other kids so that each kid has a chance to improve his own skills. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don’t you comprehend that SHAMING children and teens in this manner does NOT teach them anything, but only produces RESENTMENT and anger in those students who do NOT have the skills I and friends have learned?  Do you not comprehend that nearly ALL (note that I said "nearly") children and teens who are shamed in this manner KNOW they cannot take out that resentment and shame on the teacher because there would be consequences – so they take it out on the SOURCE of that resentment – US?  Attempting to SHAME students into becoming more skilled does not teach them ANYTHING positive at all, and only serves to drive a lot of them into taking out that shame on the other children who are, in their minds, the source of that shame. That’s TEACHING the students to ABUSE.  That IS abuse.  You don’t like hearing that?  Tough. DEAL.

You are right, Silenced that this teaches kids to be abusive, but it seems to me that as teachers, we need to not only stop this kind of shaming kids, but we have to actively promote cooperation instead of competition. There are lots of things wrong with our schools and you have pointed out one major flaw. Dorothy

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This is really sad. I and my friends give up as of this post.

Silenced:  I hope you change your mind about giving up. I havent kept up with everything, but I did read this thread with interest.  I dont understand all of what has frustrated you, but I think the fact that you are eloquent and clear thinking is much to your credit, as I would think it should be to anyone’s.   I personally "got it" before that by "towing the line" for your father he was assisting you in your escape from him.  Bravo!  I salute you for that.  And I REALLY appreciated your thoughts on teaching by shaming whether in or out of school.  That is so accurate.  Age means jack sh*t to me.  What I respect is what a person believes and how they handle themselves.  You are someone I respect.  thanks for the post. angie — If you can judge a wise man by the color of his skin,  then mister you

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Has anybody tried this? Seems like a very interesting package.   IT is a client-server package running on a proprietary database with a whole propritary language and application development environment.  The developer’s IDE is being sold as  "Like Visual Basic." They been around since the 1970s.  Current owner bought the company in 1989, I think. Located New York. You can login to their website www.appgen.com and run a full-featured accounting system over the internet. Cost $595 per module, plus (grimace) $2495 for the main program.  So you’re probably talking 5-6K, at least. But this is one of the few, genuine Web GLs and a LOT cheaper than Great Plains or some other hyped, promoted packages that only do remote sites over Citrix. They do 1-day presentations around the US.  They’re coming to Seattle july 15th at the Westin Hotel. Schedule at www.linuxreseller.com Has anybody had recent experience with AppGen?  I have a client who has a really old version running SCO on old Altos computers.  antique. * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * 9745-128th Av NE, Kirkland WA 98033       (425) 827-3107 * XML Accounting Web ledger ASP netledger, web GL Dialtone, whatever.

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Appgen, as a database and programming platform, is worth consideration, particularly for non-MS pro-Unix development. I heard their pitch about a year ago and have followed their progress, although I missed the local Linux roadshow. I think I threw them a curve.  They claimed that Appgen was used to develop many high-quality, successful vertical applications.  My response was, tell me what they are and I will formulate a marketing program to offer those verticals to those industries in Southern California.  I’m still waiting. Respectfully,  - Carl Dick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody tried this? Seems like a very interesting package.   IT is a client-server package running on a proprietary database with a whole propritary language and application development environment.  The developer’s IDE is being sold as  "Like Visual Basic." They been around since the 1970s.  Current owner bought the company in 1989, I think. Located New York. You can login to their website www.appgen.com and run a full-featured accounting system over the internet. Cost $595 per module, plus (grimace) $2495 for the main program.  So you’re probably talking 5-6K, at least. But this is one of the few, genuine Web GLs and a LOT cheaper than Great Plains or some other hyped, promoted packages that only do remote sites over Citrix. They do 1-day presentations around the US.  They’re coming to Seattle july 15th at the Westin Hotel. Schedule at www.linuxreseller.com Has anybody had recent experience with AppGen?  I have a client who has a really old version running SCO on old Altos computers.  antique. * Todd F. Boyle CPA    http://www.GLDialtone.com/ * 9745-128th Av NE, Kirkland WA 98033       (425) 827-3107 * XML Accounting Web ledger ASP netledger, web GL Dialtone, whatever.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe the state where work is performed has jurisdiction over income tax assessment and payroll withholding by employers. You will find that persons working in Illinois will have Illinois tax withheld. They then will take a credit on thier Indiana return for income tax paid to Illinois. Ok….I work for a very large payroll processing company.  I’m trying to resolve issues with the rescinding of the reciprocal agreement between IL and IN.  The question of the day (which the states themselves can’t give a consistent answer on) is this: If someone lives in IL and works in IN, you have state withholding of 3.4% for IN…but do the taxes show on the W-2 as taxable for both IL and IN? And then the employee just apply for a credit of payments from IN to IL at the end of the year? Because if they live in IN and work in IL then you withhold 3.0% for IL and .4% for IN and show the wages taxable in *both* states.  This we have as fact. Any help would be appreciated. K.

    I had a client who was a truck driver.  The rule of thumb is, the State they live in.  My client drove from Indiana to Michigan.  Also from time to time, the drove to other States.  That doesn’t matter. They lived in Indiana. — Covey Accounting Service, L.L.C. http://user.centralnet.net/dcovey      Accounting and database specialist.

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I believe the state where work is performed has jurisdiction over income tax assessment and payroll withholding by employers. You will find that persons working in Illinois will have Illinois tax withheld. They then will take a credit on thier Indiana return for income tax paid to Illinois. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok….I work for a very large payroll processing company.  I’m trying to resolve issues with the rescinding of the reciprocal agreement between IL and IN.  The question of the day (which the states themselves can’t give a consistent answer on) is this: If someone lives in IL and works in IN, you have state withholding of 3.4% for IN…but do the taxes show on the W-2 as taxable for both IL and IN? And then the employee just apply for a credit of payments from IN to IL at the end of the year? Because if they live in IN and work in IL then you withhold 3.0% for IL and .4% for IN and show the wages taxable in *both* states.  This we have as fact. Any help would be appreciated. K.

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Ok….I work for a very large payroll processing company.  I’m trying to resolve issues with the rescinding of the reciprocal agreement between IL and IN.  The question of the day (which the states themselves can’t give a consistent answer on) is this: If someone lives in IL and works in IN, you have state withholding of 3.4% for IN…but do the taxes show on the W-2 as taxable for both IL and IN? And then the employee just apply for a credit of payments from IN to IL at the end of the year? Because if they live in IN and work in IL then you withhold 3.0% for IL and .4% for IN and show the wages taxable in *both* states.  This we have as fact. Any help would be appreciated. K.

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Is there any way to defeat the limitation QB puts on AR & AP accounts when making journal entries.  I’m mainly using the program just as a G/L package and the limitation of one AP or AR account referenced in a journal entry is pain.  Thanks for the help! Dave

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Is there any way to defeat the limitation QB puts on AR & AP accounts when making journal entries.  I’m mainly using the program just as a G/L package and the limitation of one AP or AR account referenced in a journal entry is pain.  Thanks for the help! Dave

If you are just looking to book a receivable, you can create your own "Other Asset" account and book it.  If you need it to be placed in a seperate ledger that will give you the ability to age the account, then I would enter it through the standard AR package. There is one other way.  You can set up an AR Clearing account.  You can post your Debit to this account, as many times as you need to, and then go into the AR module and create your billing for the day.  When you do your daily billing, reference the same AR Clearing account.  The objective in this scenario is to have a bubble at the close of an accounting period. Dave

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Is there any way to defeat the limitation QB puts on AR & AP accounts when making journal entries.  I’m mainly using the program just as a G/L package and the limitation of one AP or AR account referenced in a journal entry is pain.  Thanks for the help!

Create Other Current Asset/Liability Accounts called Receivable & Payable (no s). Post like any account. Mike Block, C.P.A. Tax Fighter, QuickBooks Professional Advisor 275 E Oakland Park Blvd, Ft Lauderdale, FL 33334;  954-566-7540       biz.comp.accounting co-moderator for spam free news!            Demanding voter approval of tax increases!

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Is there any way to defeat the limitation QB puts on AR & AP accounts when making journal entries.  I’m mainly using the program just as a G/L package and the limitation of one AP or AR account referenced in a journal entry is pain.  Thanks for the help!

Create Other Current Asset/Liability Accounts called Receivable & Payable (no s). Post like any account. Use subaccounts if needed for individual customers/creditors. Mike Block, C.P.A. Tax Fighter, QuickBooks Professional Advisor 275 E Oakland Park Blvd, Ft Lauderdale, FL 33334;  954-566-7540       biz.comp.accounting co-moderator for spam free news!            Demanding voter approval of tax increases!

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Internet Proficient, Windows 95, MS Office 97, Lotus, Accounting Software

What has this to do with ADA.  So much for internet proficiency. — Mark Turnbull

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: : Internet Proficient, Windows 95, MS Office 97, Lotus, Accounting Software : : : What has this to do with ADA.  So much for internet proficiency. : : — : Mark Turnbull I can’t help meself.  I think he left out wanker. — Cheers, Herdy  | University of Newcastle       |                 ~~~| /~~  |

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JOHN V. AGUILERA [snip] Computer Skills Internet Proficient, Windows 95, MS Office 97, Lotus, Accounting Software

forgot to add Spamming sp –==" Believe me Jerry, somewhere in this hospital the anguished voice of       pig-man cries out for help "  Kramer.. ==–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : Internet Proficient, Windows 95, MS Office 97, Lotus, Accounting Software : : : What has this to do with ADA.  So much for internet proficiency. : : — : Mark Turnbull I can’t help meself.  I think he left out wanker. — Cheers, Herdy | University of Newcastle       |                 ~~~| /~~  |

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JOHN V. AGUILERA 3562 Pine Street Jacksonville, Florida  32205 (904)   388-5510 PROFILE Results oriented manager with strong leadership capabilities and proven decision making skills.  Flexible and adaptable in dynamic, high pressure situations.  Articulate and assertive individual with excellent written, verbal, presentation, and networking skills.  Works well within a team or independently.  Successful and diverse experience in sales, marketing, operational management, fixed time projects, recruiting and human resources. EXPERIENCE 1996 to Present, Avondale Search International, Inc. Director of Operations Implemented successful strategies in sales presentations, contract negotiation and as acting CFO implementing all financial planning which guided the growth of this international recruitment firm from its inception to immediate profitability. Prospected and signed three contracts with multinational corporations and have successfully placed over  60 qualified candidates. MILITARY EXPERIENCE 1989 to Present: Lieutenant, Naval Aviator, United States Navy Training Officer Developed and executed a detailed program for 63 naval helicopter pilots which has now become the standard for the training department. Solely responsible for reducing the time students took to go through syllabus from nine months to under six months. Specifically recognized by commanding officer and among peers as one of the top instructor pilots in the squadron. Operations Officer Chosen to represent and coordinate U. S. Navy operations at UN Embassy in Mogadishu, Somalia during Operation Restore Hope. Designed  the primary air route used to train NATO and American Combat Search and Rescue crews for night vision goggle flight in the Adriatic/Bosnian theater of operations. Smoothly executed daily flight schedule of over 40 instructors and 63 students. Quality Assurance Officer Responsible for ensuring quality maintenance practices on six SH-60 helicopters valued at over nineteen million dollars each. Directly managed forty maintenance technicians. Responsible for personnel administration, human resource programs and preparation of performance evaluations. AWARDS AND COMMENDATIONS Awarded Naval Commendation Medal by the Secretary of the Navy for heroic lifesaving efforts involving a burning Turkish ship in the Aegean Sea (1992). Awarded Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal for leadership excellence. Pilot of the Year 1995 – Association of Naval Aviators (ANA). CIVIC INVOLVEMENT United Way Community Solutions Volunteer. Raised $1,700 and over 50 sponsors in one week for the 1997 American Diabetes Golf Marathon. Hand picked to speak at local area schools regarding the importance of education, motivation, and success. Education BS/BA Business Administration (Finance) 1989, Boston University Languages       English, French Computer Skills Internet Proficient, Windows 95, MS Office 97, Lotus, Accounting Software

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Daniel, since nobody else has jumped in, let me correct a couple of things in your explanation of GPS. First, the GPS satellites are not in geosynchronous orbit. This is a common misconception, however. The GPS satellites are in a much higher orbit than they would be in if they were in geosynchronous orbit. Second, you need 4 satellite signals, not three, to determine your position. Your explanation of the intersecting spheres is basically correct, and of course three intersecting spheres *do* determine a point in space. The fourth signal is required to solve for time. The GPS receiver has a clock that is not nearly as accurate as the atomic clocks in the satellites. The receiver’s clock has to be precisely synchronized with the satellites’ clocks. Remember that measuring the propogation time is necessary to determine the diameter of those spheres you mentioned, and that requires accurate timing. Receiving 4 satellites allows for simultaneously solving for 4 variables – your position in 3-space, plus the time. Hope you weekend lesson went as well as you had hoped! Keep posting. Dave Just a little (hopefully all correct) background info on GPS. (snipped) In order to function properly, you have to have signals from at least 3 satellites to determine your position.  The first signal fixes your distance from that satellite and results in a sphere where you are some point on the surface.  A second signal reduces the number of possible positions to a circle lying on the surface of the sphere.  And the third signal fixes your actual position along the circle. I believe the way the satellites are positioned, most points on the earth usually can receive signals from at least 4 satellites.  This is to provide for additional preciseness and some redundancy.  Commercial GPS units receive timing signals that have an amount of intentional inaccuracy added to the transmission.  This causes a small degree of uncertainty in the actual position of the unit.  Military GPS units receive more accurate signals and therefore have a higher degree of accuracy in reporting the units position. I hope this post wasn’t too off-topic for the group…  I’m only a beginning student pilot so I can’t contribute a lot to the piloting discussions, but I thought everyone might like a little info on how GPS actually works.  If I was mistaken, then you have my apologies

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