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I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck

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I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck

I love my iPod. I ripped my entire CD collection and loaded up my 20 gig 4G iPod. I do the wireless thing from my iBook to hometheater sound system with airport and airtunes. Sounds great.

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You might want to check out iLounge.com; they’ve got reviews of most iPod-related components. Jim

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Take a look at this: http://www.genevalab.com/productLarge.asp I haven’t seen or heard it in person, but this is very interesting. CV

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I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck

Ipods should be backed up FOR SURE… IIRC, they have mini-hardrives and will stop working if dropped in the wrong way.  If you haven’t backed up your tunes to a PC or other device, they are ‘gone’. Even though you’ve *paid* for them (???) I use an ‘old’ mp3 player with a removable *chip*… good for ‘on the go’ but it’s too easy to use the ‘big stereo’ at home… any and all tunes can be loaded into it. If I were building a new ‘home’ system… I’d probably base the ‘music’ in an inexpensive laptop connected to a ’stereo’ tuner amp.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck Ipods should be backed up FOR SURE… IIRC, they have mini-hardrives and will stop working if dropped in the wrong way.  If you haven’t backed up your tunes to a PC or other device, they are ‘gone’. Even though you’ve *paid* for them (???) I use an ‘old’ mp3 player with a removable *chip*… good for ‘on the go’ but it’s too easy to use the ‘big stereo’ at home… any and all tunes can be loaded into it. If I were building a new ‘home’ system… I’d probably base the ‘music’ in an inexpensive laptop connected to a ’stereo’ tuner amp.

Well, I use iTunes via my Mac -so everything already is backed up to the hard drive. Most of it also exists on CD or vinyl, but I’d like to quit using those for the most part. I really like the look of the unit that (whoever he is) Chainsaw posted. Much cooler tthan the Mac unit because it has radio and CD built in. Chuck

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There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things mechanical. After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily retired. Several years later the company contacted him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the machine fixed, but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past. The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day studying the huge machine. At the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a particular component of the machine and proudly stated, "This is where your problem is". The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. The company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service.They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly: One chalk mark $1 Knowing where to put it $49,999 It was paid in full and the engineer retired again in peace.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things mechanical. After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily retired. Several years later the company contacted him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the machine fixed, but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past. The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day studying the huge machine. At the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a particular component of the machine and proudly stated, "This is where your problem is". The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. The company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service.They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly: One chalk mark $1 Knowing where to put it $49,999 It was paid in full and the engineer retired again in peace.

THAT was helpful. Old story too. Come on, give me a hand here. Chuck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things mechanical. After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily retired. Several years later the company contacted him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the machine fixed, but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past. The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day studying the huge machine. At the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a particular component of the machine and proudly stated, "This is where your problem is". The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. The company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service.They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly: One chalk mark $1 Knowing where to put it $49,999 It was paid in full and the engineer retired again in peace. THAT was helpful. Old story too. Come on, give me a hand here. Chuck

I would suggest you simply wait until the prices go down. But also realize as soon as you buy one, the following week there will be a new model with twice the memory, better features and half the price of the one you bought. And if you wait long enough, it will become such a small device, it will be able to be implanted and activated with your voice commands. And soon after that, they’ll feature holographic projections then everyone will literally be able to live in their own personal world. That is if we don’t devolve into reptiles. KABONG!~!~!~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THAT was helpful. Old story too. Come on, give me a hand here. Chuck I would suggest you simply wait until the prices go down. But also realize as soon as you buy one, the following week there will be a new model with twice the memory, better features and half the price of the one you bought. And if you wait long enough, it will become such a small device, it will be able to be implanted and activated with your voice commands. And soon after that, they’ll feature holographic projections then everyone will literally be able to live in their own personal world. That is if we don’t devolve into reptiles. KABONG!~!~!~

Ellie, you missed the point. I already HAVE a couple of iPods, and am likely to have more in the future. I’m talking about a dedicated hi-fi system to play th music through -particularly for my wife, who doesn’t like to listen via the computer (even though I’ve got half-decent speakers). So far the best looking system (but not cheap) is the Geneva that a previous poster left a link for. Very cool, but NOT cheap. Whatever I choose will replace our entire hi-fi system for many years. Chuck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THAT was helpful. Old story too. Come on, give me a hand here. Chuck I would suggest you simply wait until the prices go down. But also realize as soon as you buy one, the following week there will be a new model with twice the memory, better features and half the price of the one you bought. And if you wait long enough, it will become such a small device, it will be able to be implanted and activated with your voice commands. And soon after that, they’ll feature holographic projections then everyone will literally be able to live in their own personal world. That is if we don’t devolve into reptiles. KABONG!~!~!~ Ellie, you missed the point. I already HAVE a couple of iPods, and am likely to have more in the future. I’m talking about a dedicated hi-fi system to play th music through -particularly for my wife, who doesn’t like to listen via the computer (even though I’ve got half-decent speakers). So far the best looking system (but not cheap) is the Geneva that a previous poster left a link for. Very cool, but NOT cheap. Whatever I choose will replace our entire hi-fi system for many years. Chuck

Get off your dumb ass and do your own research Chuck.

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Get off your dumb ass and do your own research Chuck.

I’ve done a tone of research, you reading deficient poser. I’m now asking for people’s experience with this. I can’t very well get the opinions of those whose opinions I value without asking, can I? Regardless of YOUR experience in this area, please feel free to spare me further flashes of genius. I’m very interested in what those who have used these various systems have heard. Chuck

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Ellie, you missed the point. I already HAVE a couple of iPods, and am likely to have more in the future. I’m talking about a dedicated hi-fi system to play th music through -particularly for my wife, who doesn’t like to listen via the computer (even though I’ve got half-decent speakers). So far the best looking system (but not cheap) is the Geneva that a previous poster left a link for. Very cool, but NOT cheap. Whatever I choose will replace our entire hi-fi system for many years. Chuck So you want to base your entire hi-fi system on an Ipod?

Basically yes. I’m satisfied that MP3s and MP4s will provide sufficient quality over a long enough period of time to go ahead and configure it like that. It isn’t really iPod specific -as long as you have the right connection, which isn’t the hard part. So out go all the peripherals, all the cables, all the space used. Just a simple set up. We’re not audiophiles, so ‘pretty good’ is plenty for us. Chuck

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You might want to check out iLounge.com; they’ve got reviews of most iPod-related components. Jim

Thanks – I didn’t know about this one. Chuck

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So out go all the peripherals, all the cables, all the space used. Just a simple set up. We’re not audiophiles, so ‘pretty good’ is plenty for us. Chuck

OH! You should’ve stated that up front- Here you go! http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/Radio/Radios/

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Basically yes. I’m satisfied that MP3s and MP4s will provide sufficient quality over a long enough period of time to go ahead and configure it like that.

I’m not. I’ll take *ANYTHING* full bandwidth over MP whatever. I’m one of those stupid old fools who still use vinyl and open reel tape. I *DO* use digital, but its full bandwidth. Just for the record…you can patch an Ipod into *ANY* home stereo. Its not rocket science…..

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Here you go! http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/Radio/Radios/

Arvin 77R19   I owned one, it might still be around somewhere. Thanks for the post.  Ya gotta love the MoJo.  Just 2 kool. Thanks for the memory.  iPods can’t hold a candle 2 such things. JJTj

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I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck

Using an iPod as the base for a main house stereo?!?!?! Oh the humanity…. I bought one of these for my wife, for her to use at the gym.  For *that* kind of thing, iPods and the like are great.  But to use one as a primary playback device….to me anyway, is an awful idea. I like my music far too much to do that to it!!!! Have you ever compared the sound of an original CD, versus the compressed file?  Can you hear the difference? If you can not, then I understand….and you have my sympathy.  If you *can* hear the difference, and you are OK with that…..then you are like many of today’s consumers. I fear good sounding and well produced CD’s will soon be a thing of the past…because no one cares any more. What a shame…. Mike

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Have you ever compared the sound of an original CD, versus the compressed file?  Can you hear the difference?

Sometimes. But MP4s in particular are closing that gap in a hurry. If you are a careful listener, you’ll find that they are quite faithful and generally very rich sounding. If you can not, then I understand….and you have my sympathy.  If you *can* hear the difference, and you are OK with that…..then you are like many of today’s consumers.

Well, that’s the question, isn’t it? What’s the point of high quality speakers if the playback device limits the quality? I fear good sounding and well produced CD’s will soon be a thing of the past…because no one cares any more.

There aren’t all that many of those anyhow. As soon as you go to digital recording, you start losing a lot of the aural quality. It’s insanely expensive to recreate. What a shame….

Yes. Mike

Chuck

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Read this. I’m sure you’ve heard of Gatski, and he makes some good points. http://www.proaudioreview.com/publishers_page/april04.shtml Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you ever compared the sound of an original CD, versus the compressed file?  Can you hear the difference? Sometimes. But MP4s in particular are closing that gap in a hurry. If you are a careful listener, you’ll find that they are quite faithful and generally very rich sounding. If you can not, then I understand….and you have my sympathy.  If you *can* hear the difference, and you are OK with that…..then you are like many of today’s consumers. Well, that’s the question, isn’t it? What’s the point of high quality speakers if the playback device limits the quality? I fear good sounding and well produced CD’s will soon be a thing of the past…because no one cares any more. There aren’t all that many of those anyhow. As soon as you go to digital recording, you start losing a lot of the aural quality. It’s insanely expensive to recreate. What a shame…. Yes. Mike Chuck

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Read this. I’m sure you’ve heard of Gatski, and he makes some good points. http://www.proaudioreview.com/publishers_page/april04.shtml Chuck

Chuck, I remember reading that article when it was new.  (long time   PAR reader here)  You’re right, there are many good points.  Some remind me of the demise of Beta VCR’s.  You had a better format that was doomed for the sake of convenience. In your other reply to my message, you mentioned that there aren’t that many good sounding CD’s any more, anyway.  I agree.  Most are so over-compressed, it’s downright annoying! But then….I think I know why that is. Have you ever opened up an MP3 into an audio editor, where you can see the wave form?  It’s like a big, fat straight line, with no dynamics—at all.  Nasty looking thing! Now then…do the same thing to almost any "popular" CD. Rip it into your editor and open up the file.  Hmmm…almost exactly the same thing. It seems as though producers are now trying to make the original CD sound like an MP3, because that’s how it’s going to end up, anyway. Unless that trend reverses, high quality, mass produced/distributed music is doomed.  It’s almost gone now, as you say. People are amazing, sometimes.  Market something enough—regardless how good or *bad* the product is, and they will buy it.  This has been proven again and again. There are some holdouts, especially in the indie market. Some people still strive for the best sound quality possible….thank goodness!  I’m one of the few who will stand ready to hand over my cash for it, too. Regards, Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking seriously of buying an iPod hifi system. I want radio and some flexibility for other components. Anybody have opinions/experience about brands/types? I thinking of spending $400-500 and having it be the main house ’stereo’. Chuck Using an iPod as the base for a main house stereo?!?!?! Oh the humanity…. I bought one of these for my wife, for her to use at the gym.  For *that* kind of thing, iPods and the like are great.  But to use one as a primary playback device….to me anyway, is an awful idea. I like my music far too much to do that to it!!!! Have you ever compared the sound of an original CD, versus the compressed file?  Can you hear the difference? If you can not, then I understand….and you have my sympathy.  If you *can* hear the difference, and you are OK with that…..then you are like many of today’s consumers. I fear good sounding and well produced CD’s will soon be a thing of the past…because no one cares any more. What a shame…. Mike

Yes you can hear the difference between mp3s through a small portable thing or even the new thing Apple makes http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/2…. which sounds great to me (have one) if you are comparing it to a hi-end stereo and even some mid level stereos.  You have to compare apples to apples – most good  sounding stereos are a lot more $$$ than the current crop of iPod players.  I think that the new Apple speaker thingy is perfect for kids going to college with Apple laptops and iPods.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THAT was helpful. Old story too. Come on, give me a hand here. Chuck I would suggest you simply wait until the prices go down. But also realize as soon as you buy one, the following week there will be a new model with twice the memory, better features and half the price of the one you bought. And if you wait long enough, it will become such a small device, it will be able to be implanted and activated with your voice commands. And soon after that, they’ll feature holographic projections then everyone will literally be able to live in their own personal world. That is if we don’t devolve into reptiles. KABONG!~!~!~ Ellie, you missed the point. I already HAVE a couple of iPods, and am likely to have more in the future. I’m talking about a dedicated hi-fi system to play th music through -particularly for my wife, who doesn’t like to listen via the computer (even though I’ve got half-decent speakers). So far the best looking system (but not cheap) is the Geneva that a previous poster left a link for. Very cool, but NOT cheap. Whatever I choose will replace our entire hi-fi system for many years. Chuck Get off your dumb ass and do your own research Chuck.

Now, now.  Chuck is a rather ignorant(not to mention whiny), little twat.  Show some compassion!  Where else besides an ‘amplifier’ group would you turn for MP3 advice? Certainly not here!! alt.music.mp3 Ahh, heck, there probably aren’t any familiar asses for him to kiss over in that group!

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The Mackie HR624’s get their excellent sound from their internally amplified design: each box contains two amplifiers, one for each driver (100 watts and 40 watts). The crossover is pre-amplification, which means each amplifier only needs to deal with the frequencies in its own range. And the electronics are specifically tuned and calibrated on each unit for a ruler flat and in-phase response. For kicks, each speaker comes with its own frequency response test graph, just to prove to you that each one is ruler-flat. As pro speakers, the Mackies are also capable of being very loud without distortion (112 SPL, which is louder my pain threshold), and they also protect themselves from overload if you pass that limit. The beauty of the internally amplified design is that you can plug them directly into an iPod, with no extra amplifier needed. Perhaps doing this with a 128kbit compressed digital stream is a waste of the Mackie’s capabilities. But when you do it, your iPod does sound truly superb. http://davidbau.com/archives/2005/04/28/worlds_best_ipod_sound.html http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002ORLNI?tag=dqsd-20

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http://davidbau.com/archives/2005/04/28/worlds_best_ipod_sound.html http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002ORLNI?tag=dqsd-20

Very thoughtful Zoot. I’ve hooked the iPod up to sveral different powered speakers with hreat success. Now I want something different. Earlier in the thread this unit was pointed out, and I’ve got to say I like how it looks. I’d like to try this out: http://www.genevalab.com/productLarge.asp Chuck

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Hi, I’m trying to get financial assistance to pay for a junior accounting assistant/ bookkeeping/ office administration course. My potential lenders asked me to submit results for the following survey. I’d appreciate both those working as bookkeepers/ administrators, and those in a hiring position, to fill out as much of the survey as they can or want to. Results from those working in Canada will be more relevant to me but any response is greatly appreciated. You can post your results here or email them to me directly. Thank you again, Dedee – dedee hyphen g at telus dot net <–BOOKKEEPING / OFFICE ADMINISTRATION – SURVEY START — 1). What is your occupation? 2). What are the top five skills required for junior level bookkeepers/office administrators in your company (please include specific software skills)? 3). What is the typical starting salary? What can someone expect to make after 5 years of experience? 4). What are the main tasks? 5). What is challenging about this type of work? 6). What is rewarding about this type of work? 7). What level and type of  formal education/training required for a junior level bookkeeper/ office administrator’s position? What are possible alternatives for developing the necessary skills and knowledge in lieu of a formal education? 8). Are there any specific schools/ institutions that are recognized by your organization? 9) What changes in your industry do you see occurring in the future with regards to your bookkeeping / office administration staff? <–BOOKKEEPING / OFFICE ADMINISTRATION – SURVEY END —

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Me thinks you are wasting yours and our time. Des – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m trying to get financial assistance to pay for a junior accounting assistant/ bookkeeping/ office administration course. My potential lenders asked me to submit results for the following survey. I’d appreciate both those working as bookkeepers/ administrators, and those in a hiring position, to fill out as much of the survey as they can or want to. Results from those working in Canada will be more relevant to me but any response is greatly appreciated. You can post your results here or email them to me directly. Thank you again, Dedee – dedee hyphen g at telus dot net <–BOOKKEEPING / OFFICE ADMINISTRATION – SURVEY START — 1). What is your occupation? 2). What are the top five skills required for junior level bookkeepers/office administrators in your company (please include specific software skills)? 3). What is the typical starting salary? What can someone expect to make after 5 years of experience? 4). What are the main tasks? 5). What is challenging about this type of work? 6). What is rewarding about this type of work? 7). What level and type of  formal education/training required for a junior level bookkeeper/ office administrator’s position? What are possible alternatives for developing the necessary skills and knowledge in lieu of a formal education? 8). Are there any specific schools/ institutions that are recognized by your organization? 9) What changes in your industry do you see occurring in the future with regards to your bookkeeping / office administration staff? <–BOOKKEEPING / OFFICE ADMINISTRATION – SURVEY END —

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Me thinks you are wasting yours and our time. Des

Why is that Des? Your response left me curious.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m trying to get financial assistance to pay for a junior accounting assistant/ bookkeeping/ office administration course. My potential lenders asked me to submit results for the following survey. 1). What is your occupation? 2). What are the top five skills required for junior level bookkeepers/office administrators in your company (please include specific software skills)? 3). What is the typical starting salary? What can someone expect to make after 5 years of experience? 4). What are the main tasks? 5). What is challenging about this type of work? 6). What is rewarding about this type of work? 7). What level and type of  formal education/training required for a junior level bookkeeper/ office administrator’s position? What are possible alternatives for developing the necessary skills and knowledge in lieu of a formal education? 8). Are there any specific schools/ institutions that are recognized by your organization? 9) What changes in your industry do you see occurring in the future with regards to your bookkeeping / office administration staff?

Your lender is looking for this?  Me thinks you’re a spammer and looking for potential spamees.   Why would a lender even care about some of these quesions? "Finally a member of the Jackson family finds another young boy to victimize."                          referring to Justin                          Timberlake To send me e-mail exorcise NO Spam from my e-mail address.     —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Your lender is looking for this?  Me thinks you’re a spammer and looking for potential spamees. Why would a lender even care about some of these quesions?

Hi Nick, The "lender" is the Canadian Government in general, and the HRDC and Employment Insurance branches in particular. They do not so much *loan* unemployed people money for continued education, or skills upgrading courses, as they do pay in part, or in whole, for such courses. But they don’t just hand out money to anybody making such a request. In order to even get them to look at an application for finacial assistance they require numerous surveys to be filled out, amongst tons of other research projects, to be sure they aren’t wasting their money (*my tax dollars*) on someone taking a skills upgrading course for some job that has very limited openings or requires years of specialized education. I’m applying for what I thought their was a fair amount of job opening potential, if not the greatest pay. Although my initial survey request probably sounded like spam to savy UseNet users such as yourself (I know that would be my first thought) I can assure you it is not. Again, If you would like to fill out the survey in part, or in whole, I would really appreciate your valued time in doing so. Thanks again, Dedee

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Dear No One, I’ve been preparing financial statements for almost 20 years and one of the most difficult areas is preparation of the statement of cash flows.  I have worked with many CPA’s who still have problems with them.  I think you are fooling yourself if you think that this is easy.  It is not overly difficult when you have a lot of experience but, believe me, there are lots of items that will tend to throw people such as reporting non-cash investment and financing activities.  I’ve seen entire CPA firms that don’t handle this properly.  In addition the direct method is especially difficult to apply. So, unless you are an accounting genius, don’t take this area for granted as it is full of twists and turns for the student. Sincerely, Steve Lewis, CPA

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m nearing the end of my review of Principles of Accounting II and looked at Chapter 15 "Statement of Cash Flows." Very easy stuff once you understand the importance of the relations between the financial statements. Operating (assets are opposite direction, liabilities are same direction) Investing (inflows/outflows from Land, Equipment, Building) Financing (inflows/outflows from stocks, bonds) The balance at the end equals the balance of cash on the balance sheet. Piece of cake.

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I don’t know which text i’m using yet, but these powerpoint slides of the lecutre notes i’m studying are from the 10th edition of the book you mention.

Thanks for the tip. You should be able to find out what text the instructor is using by going to the school website’s bookstore. You will probably end up using the same one as me. Lots of luck to us both!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know which text i’m using yet, but these powerpoint slides of the lecutre notes i’m studying are from the 10th edition of the book you mention. Thanks for the tip. You should be able to find out what text the instructor is using by going to the school website’s bookstore. You will probably end up using the same one as me. Lots of luck to us both!

I for got to add a tip for you. If indeed you are going to use the 11th ed. of Kieso et al Here is a website with some study aids on this text. http://jws-edcv.wiley.com/college/bcs/redesign/student/0,,_0471072087… 67____,00.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know which text i’m using yet, but these powerpoint slides of the lecutre notes i’m studying are from the 10th edition of the book you mention. Thanks for the tip. You should be able to find out what text the instructor is using by going to the school website’s bookstore. You will probably end up using the same one as me. Lots of luck to us both! I for got to add a tip for you. If indeed you are going to use the 11th ed. of Kieso et al Here is a website with some study aids on this text.

http://jws-edcv.wiley.com/college/bcs/redesign/student/0,,_0471072087… 67____,00.html a little goof

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I’m nearing the end of my review of Principles of Accounting II and looked at Chapter 15 "Statement of Cash Flows." Very easy stuff once you understand the importance of the relations between the financial statements. Operating (assets are opposite direction, liabilities are same direction) Investing (inflows/outflows from Land, Equipment, Building) Financing (inflows/outflows from stocks, bonds) The balance at the end equals the balance of cash on the balance sheet. Piece of cake.

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I’m nearing the end of my review of Principles of Accounting II and looked at Chapter 15 "Statement of Cash Flows." Very easy stuff once you understand the importance of the relations between the financial statements. Operating (assets are opposite direction, liabilities are same direction) Investing (inflows/outflows from Land, Equipment, Building) Financing (inflows/outflows from stocks, bonds) The balance at the end equals the balance of cash on the balance sheet. Piece of cake.

Don’t be lulled by your understanding in Prinicples of Financial Accounting that you will do fine in Intermediate. It’s a whole new ball game in that class.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m nearing the end of my review of Principles of Accounting II and looked at Chapter 15 "Statement of Cash Flows." Very easy stuff once you understand the importance of the relations between the financial statements. Operating (assets are opposite direction, liabilities are same direction) Investing (inflows/outflows from Land, Equipment, Building) Financing (inflows/outflows from stocks, bonds) The balance at the end equals the balance of cash on the balance sheet. Piece of cake. Don’t be lulled by your understanding in Prinicples of Financial Accounting that you will do fine in Intermediate. It’s a whole new ball game in that class.

I thought you had yet to take that class.

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I’m not worried about Intermediate Accounting. I’ve tracked down many course syllabuses and I’m currently studying the course through powerpoint slides I found online from another college. Very exciting so far, indeed. The conceptual framework (constitution) of accounting is a great read. I’m sure it’s going to be challenging, but i’m up for it. In "Principles of Accounting" the class started with 30-35 students. By the end, it was down to 15-20. This is the most important semester for me since I’m taking: Intermediate Accounting I Federal Income Tax Accounting Cost Accounting Last semester I took federal income taxes and scored an A, it was a fantastic class and I learned so much. Unfortunately it only transferred as an accounting elective so I’m taking it as a 300 level course this semester. It will include a bit more information on corporate income taxes. In the spring i’ll only have: Intermediate Accounting II Spanish II Calculus "Lite" (Math 170) Art History And after the spring semester i’ll only need six more classes to graduate. Advanced Accounting, Auditing, Intermediate Economics and three electives/learning in common courses. That will give me at least 128 credits, the requirement at Moravian. We’ll see how it goes. I’ll do my best and see what happens.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m nearing the end of my review of Principles of Accounting II and looked at Chapter 15 "Statement of Cash Flows." Very easy stuff once you understand the importance of the relations between the financial statements. Operating (assets are opposite direction, liabilities are same direction) Investing (inflows/outflows from Land, Equipment, Building) Financing (inflows/outflows from stocks, bonds) The balance at the end equals the balance of cash on the balance sheet. Piece of cake. Don’t be lulled by your understanding in Prinicples of Financial Accounting that you will do fine in Intermediate. It’s a whole new ball game in that class.

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I thought you had yet to take that class.

I am taking it this fall term. I believe myself to have a good understanding of accounting, but I am not going to fool myself into believing that just because I "get it" that this class won’t blow me away if I let it. I have talked to several people whom I know and don’t know and am taking their advice to heart.

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Calculus "Lite" (Math 170)

I took business calculus 4 years ago. Never liked that class and had no fond memories of it. The only good that came from that class was a "B."

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I’m not worried about Intermediate Accounting. I’ve tracked down many course syllabuses and I’m currently studying the course through powerpoint slides I found online from another college. Very exciting so far, indeed. The conceptual framework (constitution) of accounting is a great read.

Which text will you be using for Intermediate? I will be using the 11th ed. by Kieso et al.

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I don’t know which text i’m using yet, but these powerpoint slides of the lecutre notes i’m studying are from the 10th edition of the book you mention. http://www.suffolkacct.org/lshaw/acct321/Lecture%20Notes%20-%20ACCT32… You should check out these slides — i’m up to chapter 4 (1/4 thru the semester) and the material is well presented. Chapters 1 and 2 dealt with FASB, GAAP, the constitution of accounting. Muchof it is theory. Chapter 3 talks about the balance sheet and simple review of normal balances of accounts, closing entires (the accounting cycle in full) and chapter 4 is dissecting the income statement in the same way. Chapter 6 concludes the material for the first exam. I’m sure it gets way more involved between chapters 7-12, but with the book, homework problems, lecture, notes and a good understanding of the financial statements, how could it be a "killer" class? Many people got lost in Principles of Accounting, they’re just not accountant material. Nothing wrong with that. Good luck!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not worried about Intermediate Accounting. I’ve tracked down many course syllabuses and I’m currently studying the course through powerpoint slides I found online from another college. Very exciting so far, indeed. The conceptual framework (constitution) of accounting is a great read. Which text will you be using for Intermediate? I will be using the 11th ed. by Kieso et al.

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written: [ Snip ] …and crap when compared to domestic US carries like Midwest Express.

But *every* airline is crap when compared with Midwest Express. Malc.

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In article written: [ Snip ] …and crap when compared to domestic US carries like Midwest Express. But *every* airline is crap when compared with Midwest Express.

Question but have you flown them inthe past few weeks?  Seats might be good but they did revise their meal service policy – not for the better as far as travellers go.

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Bill, I was commenting on United as an international carrier and not referring to US domestic routes. I have every sympathy for the tens of thousands of US employees that will be out of work soon but I have nothing but contempt for the multiple tiers of United management that have miss-managed the airline for some many years and gained millions from so doing.   They spent millions on Mission statements and other b***s**t and never read them and as you pointed out, their food and service is crap compared with other international carriers and crap when compared to domestic US carries like Midwest Express.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to second Jack. I haven’t flown on United since 1994. While I had some bad experiences on other airlines, those were minor compared to terrible experiences I had on United. It is often said that price is all that matters to flyers, so the airlines have no choice but to offer bad service. But its not entirely true. While the accountants at many organizations often try to mandate use of the lowest fares, there are often loopholes. Sufficiently motivated flyers like myself can find ways to avoid United. I think that Jack is right: there are millions of flyers who try to avoid United. In order to counteract this, United is forced to cut its prices to levels where it cannot make a profit. Christofer’s response, that bad service is particular to the U.S., is nonsense. When my foreign friends complain about American food, I say "When you come to the U.S., don’t eat the bad food, eat the good food." So don’t fly on United, fly on Midwest Express (and I have generally had good experiences on American Airlines). Once regarded among the most prestigious airliner, United Airlines now is facing a plunge motion into bankruptcy. Why? While the answer isn?t simple, one aspect of UA that has been a part of the cause is CUSTOMER SERVICE. I have seen an enormous amount of complaints and I myself have countless unpleasant experiences from rude and unprofessional ground crew as well as FAs. Not all of FAs are "bad" but enough of the "bad apples" that can bring a negative public opinion towards the crew. The ground crew is by far the worst, however. Because of the poor service, I have been avoiding UA as much as I can and I am sure millions have done the same. Consequently, UA has driven itself into the trouble it is in now. The management has been disconnected with the customers? needs and its policies tend to piss lots of people off. So, here we are, listening in the news of the inevitable consequences. When will the "big" corporations learn they can never be too big to care about customers and too powerful to be above the laws of nature? For the case with UA, where is the good o?friendly sky?

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Are these edited out by somebody   ?      Posts were there a couple of hous ago, now gone. Comments please     Jim Black

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Are these edited out by somebody   ?      Posts were there a couple of hous ago, now gone. Comments please     Jim Black

http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/postgone.html    All the best, Timo — Prof. Timo Salmi ftp & http://garbo.uwasa.fi/ archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance  ; University of Vaasa Acc. Journals Links  http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/opas/jott/jottjour.html

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Are these edited out by somebody   ?      Posts were there a couple of hous ago, now gone.

Just the poster before clicking on send. Check with your ISP. Check at http://groups.google.com (but not before google has a chance to display your post in the first place – sometimes several hours later). Regards, Bill

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Other than rogue hackers, with the right software like Agent and Netscape (probably IE too), one can send a request to delete one’s own post.  I’ve done it…wish I take more back.  ;)  I don’t think OE has that capability. ISPs generally honor the request but do not have to do so. Tippy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are these edited out by somebody   ?      Posts were there a couple of hous ago, now gone. Just the poster before clicking on send. Check with your ISP. Check at http://groups.google.com (but not before google has a chance to display your post in the first place – sometimes several hours later). Regards, Bill

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Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper? Kind of along the lines of the crappie (crappy vs. croppy) debate. JR

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Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper?

Bugger not booger.  The former is a fly, the latter is a fly fisherman living in Elkhart, Indiana. Mu

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Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper? Kind of along the lines of the crappie (crappy vs. croppy) debate.

Urk! "like the edible stuff"? /daytripper (some things should just never be asked

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Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper? Bugger not booger.  The former is a fly, the latter is a fly fisherman living in Elkhart, Indiana. Mu

S’not fair Mu,  I’m no longer a booger…….done morphed into a bugr sometime back. ) Frank the former booger Church You want the most comfortable seat in the house?  Look for the cat.

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Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper? Kind of along the lines of the crappie (crappy vs. croppy) debate.

What edible stuff would that be then? Mostly, its pronounced ‘woolly, as in ‘woolly and ‘buggers’ as in ‘buggers’. …except in parts of Wales where they’re sometimes called ‘welly warmers’ …or ’sheep shaggers’. Tight Threads, Tony Deacon

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Hey Tony, long time no talk to!  How was Chatsworth? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Hey Tony, long time no talk to!  How was Chatsworth? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Hi Frank, The Chatsworth Angling Fair was postponed from the usual early May slot to late October because of the Foot & Mouth Disease epidemic. I went on the Sunday. There were some good tiers in the tent, including a few from Stateside (e.g. Chris Helm). It pissed down ALL day and we were wading around in six inches of mud slurry. Great fun! Fortunately, I took my little Subaru 4×4. I don’t come here quite so often these days, so Happy Christmas to you and others on this NG. Tight Threads, Tony Deacon

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It pissed down ALL day and we were wading around in six inches of mud slurry. Great fun! Fortunately, I took my little Subaru 4×4. I don’t come here quite so often these days, so Happy Christmas to you and others on this NG. Tight Threads, Tony Deacon

Sounds like standard for Chatsworth.  Thats why the booth selling Wellies is at the front, near the entrance.  To you and yours Happy Christmas.         Frank Reid

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In NY they refer to it as bug-ger in NC they call it boo-ger.  No accounting for local colloquiallisms. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you pronounce it like the edible stuff or as one of the verbs accompanying a photo of a British MP on the cover of a London newspaper? Kind of along the lines of the crappie (crappy vs. croppy) debate. JR

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I wish I were able to handle my situation as healthily as you are.  I have a lot of overlap in my situation as well and I have this urge to make her admit that I was a good husband and that she was restless and uncommitted.  (I never actually act this out, but it’s how I feel.) She never communicated that she had issues with our relationship either and I had to keep asking her what the heck was going on because everything came to a screeching halt the last month of our marriage (sex, communicating, holding hands, going out, everything just stopped). She blamed me for everything when all along (well, at the end) she was just sleeping around with someone else.  She actually said the reason she was leaving me was because I made fun of her liking Disco.  Stupid and gullible as I am, I began blaming myself for being verbally abusive because a couple times I almost vomited when she played K.C. & the Sunshine Band in the house.  Is that sad or what?  It took me months to realize that I actually was a good guy and a committed, caring husband.  I’ll never let someone get me to hate myself again, so I’ve learned that at least. I am inspired by people like you, Janie, Rog, and Rodric who have such a healthy attitude towards these issues and hope to make myself better. Hang in there Kay! Rob — "In an interstellar burst, I’m back to save the universe!" Radiohead/Airbag

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"The most effective way to silence our guilty conscience is to convince ourselves and others that those we have sinned against are indeed depraved creatures, deserving every punishment, even extermination.  We cannot pity those we have wronged, nor can we be indifferent toward them. We must hate and persecute them or else leave the door open to self-contempt."  – Eric Hoffer

Barbara, that is a wonderful quote.  It made my day! — "In an interstellar burst, I’m back to save the universe!" Radiohead/Airbag

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I hate divorce!  I really don’t understand why people give up so easily.  I was a fool and believed "for better or for worse".

Welcome to Club Naive!  I was the same way.  There are people out there willing to work on a relationship as they should, but we were unlucky enough to find those who weren’t. Take care, Rob — "In an interstellar burst, I’m back to save the universe!" Radiohead/Airbag

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five cars????? Oh, sorry…segue…. yeah, isn’t it something how they can find someone else so fast????  That’s the part I still find unsettling six months later.  women seem to need (in general) to process things longer… so sorry he blames you, but I don’t know that you can do anything about that.  Work on ignoring what he thinks.  Truly.   think of him as like the tides, or the sunrise…out of your control, and benign. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Steve Love the "fluffy" image! Yep, the reality of the situation for me is not comparable to his "unreality" world and I guess it never will be. I cannot do anything about his feelings for me and perhaps its time I stopped caring. Often wondered: If two people are talking and one says something to the other, but the other does not hear, did that person REALLY say anything???? He has told me recently that he stopped communicating with me because he couldn’t talk to me (if that’s not pure Irish-speak). This, of course, was my fault. I see communication as being each person’s own responsibility – if you cannot communicate with your partner you must resolve this, not simply hold your hands up, give up, and try talking to others instead. I recall countless occassions where we’d have conversations and then later he’d deny ever hearing me say what I did. Got me wondering whether I really did say it sometimes but then I snapped out of being manipulated that way and came to the conclusion that he had the problem of not listening, and not me of not telling. This is, I believe, the start of my marriage problems. When I began to see him as a fallable human being and not the God-like creature of loveliness that could do no wrong….. Even so, I still kept on trying. And trying. And trying. Bet it winds him up a treat to hear me say "I forgive you and wish you well" – there is no better extinguisher of hate than a bit of good ol’ fashioned love and peace. Thanks for the support Steve! Kay However, WHY WHY WHY does he still continue to blame ME for the relationship ending?? He claims he was never happy. That I was horrible to him for years. That I bitched on and on at him. This has helped to get it out of my system, and maybe I do really know why he blames me (its the self-guilt I hear you all shouting) but I just wanted to share my story with you and elicit some gratuitous sympathy and/or helpful advice. See, at the very least I am honest and upfront! Much Oblidged to ya Kay Ok, some gratuitous sympathy …. well maybe not since your situation is all too common and it hurts. But as to your question, what are his choices ? He can say "she was great, wonderful every thing I wanted, good mom, etc etc till I met fluffy. I think fluffy is better so I dumped my wife and broke up our home" OR he can say "She was a bitch, I was never happy, always complaining. It got so bad I just had to leave. I met fluffy, never knew someone could be so right". If you were him, which would you choose to say, if you could put reality aside ? Steve

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Hi Barb Great quote! I do find myself fantasising sometimes that he phones me to apologise for being so mean to me, and that he acknowledges there were many times/years in the marriage when we were idyllically happy together, but that he changed what he wanted in life and I no longer fitted in. That I am OK and he is OK – we are/were just not OK together. Ain’t that the real truth? And then I wake up….and it seems less important to me than what I have to do that day/week/month. I find I am wanting this as a priority less and less as events progress. Probably, as you, this turning point will come (for him) when it means so little to me. However, given the extent to which he would need to grow as a person in order to get from where he is to where he would need to be, I think I would probably warmly welcome his apology, congratulate him for progressing as a mature individual, and, for the sake of our daughter, see if we can establish a closer friendship which is based on mutual respect. After all, one cannot respect themselves or others if one carries around so much guilt and hatred . Many Thanks Kay

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kay, I actually think I got the quote below from someone on this news group.  I’m certain the historical context is something more devastating than divorce.  Still, something about this resonated with my own divorce experience: "The most effective way to silence our guilty conscience is to convince ourselves and others that those we have sinned against are indeed depraved creatures, deserving every punishment, even extermination.  We cannot pity those we have wronged, nor can we be indifferent toward them. We must hate and persecute them or else leave the door open to self-contempt."  – Eric Hoffer By the way, the last few years of my marriage my ex blamed me for all our problems, in hateful and ugly language.  Once I was no longer subjected to this on a regular basis, it became clear that he was doing a lot of projecting.  Like you, I eventually forgave everyone (including myself) and moved on. In most cases, that might be The End.  But there came a time when my ex, who was going through a very rough period with the "other woman," apologized for his treatment of me.  I no longer needed to hear it — still, it felt good to know that he could acknowlege the wrongness of what he’d done and feel pain over it. Barb Hi – my first post (my first divorce too). My story is probably very common, and although I’ve struggled to come to terms with the events as they occur, hindsight has given me (and continues to give) a wiser and more philosophical perspective. Relationship started: Oct 1991 Married: Sept 1993 Separated: Feb 2001 Children: 1, 8yrs Assets: Loads – 1 house, 1 flat, timeshare, private company, loans, 5 cars, plus the usual marital chitlins Husband (it is he): unhappy for at least 12 months, grumpy, sulky, secretative and argumentative. Wife (I am she): committed, desperate to communicate (with hubby), accommodating (pushover?!) We agreed to split because he was making it sooooo obvious he didn’t want to spent time with me. He was working away from home, coming back weekdays and bitching on at me at weekends for not doing this, that, etc. I of course was also working full time and looking after our 8 yr old daughter, the house, the cat, etc. Both professionals, long hours, stress jobs. A WEEK after we agreed to split/separate (there is a difference, at least I believe we understood that word to mean different things), he starts a relationship with another girl. Within the next month or so, they are looking around for somewhere else to live, eventually moving in to rented flat in June 2001. They are still together. She is 13 years his junior, and only 15 yrs older than my daughter. Me – left to sort out practical matters. Left to tell child about split on my own. Joint bank account – he got. I setup new account. He pays mortgage, joint loan repayments and school fees, I pay all domestic bills – sucks all my salary to do this, am left with

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But a question, if someone has no health problems is it wise to remove their fillings rather than leaving things alone?

If it’s working, don’t mess with it. Removal of fillings has only been suggested for people with chronic conditions that do not respond to regular treatment.   It’s an option worth considering. Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know the complication rate of people replacing their original fillings for the composites?? I know of 2 people off- hand that had significant complications in trying to remove their fillings; neither had any previous health problems prior to the procedure but they were scared that their mercury fillings were a time bomb. But now thousands of dollars later they seem to be in worse shape than before. I don’t think this is a procedure to be taken lightly. frank I agree How are they worse? Did they go to an alternative

dentist who followed the correct protocol? Did he use a rubber dam? Did they have a compatibility test to see what composites to use? Some people need to detox first, depending on the condition. Then they should continue detoxing to rid the body of the mercury. Jan

To be honest I don’t know many of the details of what type of dentist they saw, procedures, etc. But one person has constant dental/jaw  pain and the other had problems with cracked teeth/crowns. But a question, if someone has no health problems is it wise to remove their fillings rather than leaving things alone? frank * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Andrew makes a lot of assumptions. Below is a list of things that were never said. At any rate, the number is far, far too low to be said that the general public has this problem. No one has EVER said the general public has a problem. I have repeatedly stated the fact that amalgam poisoning is not nearly the widespread menace that the Chicken Littles on this NG claim. No one has EVER said that it is widespread. I believe Peter is saying that it is all a placebo response. WRONG!  People :don’t run out on a whim, and have the metal removed. : : But you are trying to scare people into just that, Chicken Little.

Here is a post of 5/01/2000: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So where does mercury toxicity fall on the leading causes of death list?     I don’t know and don’t care.  How many times do we need to go over the same thing? Listen up good, so I won’t need to repeat: Mercury amalgams may never be a problem for most people. However if you have a problem that the docs can’t find. Check the teeth. Mercury poisoning can weaken the immune system.

Andrew replied. Fair enough!

Jan responsed:   Now, quit trying to scare everyone into believe that amalgams are a major health crisis.

Sometimes you let your assumptions get the best of you. Now you owe me an Jan Peter means that people shouldn’t have them removed UNLESS there is : a problem.

And that is EXACTLY what I said. This is why I don’t reply to Andrew anymore. Good to see you on again Steve, hope you will stick around. Jan

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I was advised by the amalgam believers that it takes a couple of months for the mercury to get out of the system. Yes. Be sure to find a very good alt. dentist who follows the correct procedure.

Does anyone know the complication rate of people replacing their original fillings for the composites?? I know of 2 people off- hand that had significant complications in trying to remove their fillings; neither had any previous health problems prior to the procedure but they were scared that their mercury fillings were a time bomb. But now thousands of dollars later they seem to be in worse shape than before. I don’t think this is a procedure to be taken lightly. frank * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was advised by the amalgam believers that it takes a couple of months for the mercury to get out of the system. Yes. Be sure to find a very good alt. dentist who follows the correct procedure. Does anyone know the complication rate of people replacing their original fillings for the composites?? I know of 2 people off- hand that had significant complications in trying to remove their fillings; neither had any previous health problems prior to the procedure but they were scared that their mercury fillings were a time bomb. But now thousands of dollars later they seem to be in worse shape than before. I don’t think this is a procedure to be taken lightly. frank

I agree How are they worse? Did they go to an alternative dentist who followed the correct protocol? Did he use a rubber dam? Did they have a compatibility test to see what composites to use? Some people need to detox first, depending on the condition. Then they should continue detoxing to rid the body of the mercury.   Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About my position on mercury and MS, I don’t think mercury causes true MS. However, the effects of mercury poisoning are indistinguishable from MS. I think many people who think that they have MS, actually have mercury poisoning and many, like myself, have both MS and mercury poisoning. I think I have MS, because the blood tests I’ve had done by Dr. Lindner http://www.sky.net/~dporter/MSCFSABX.htm indicate that I have a bacterium that he links, although not yet conclusively, with MS. Thqnks for your post Kip. That is why we need more studies. It seems to affect people in different ways Jeff Clark says the mercury caused his CFS. Others believe it causes fibro. and the list goes on. I do believe it caused my peripheral neuropathy. How you are doing well. Jan

I hope you’re doing well too Kip. karuna

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Jan,                                                               I’m doing fairly well now thanks. On the 30th I’m having what might be my final DMPS. I’m getting a 24 hour urine test after. I’ll still need some EDTA treatment for arsenic. On the 14th of next month I’m going to an oral surgeon to have some of my cavatations taken care of.                                                     Best wishes, Kip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – About my position on mercury and MS, I don’t think mercury causes true MS. However, the effects of mercury poisoning are indistinguishable from MS. I think many people who think that they have MS, actually have mercury poisoning and many, like myself, have both MS and mercury poisoning. I think I have MS, because the blood tests I’ve had done by Dr. Lindner http://www.sky.net/~dporter/MSCFSABX.htm indicate that I have a bacterium that he links, although not yet conclusively, with MS. Thqnks for your post Kip. That is why we need more studies. It seems to affect people in different ways Jeff Clark says the mercury caused his CFS. Others believe it causes fibro. and the list goes on. I do believe it caused my peripheral neuropathy. How you are doing well. Jan

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About my position on mercury and MS, I don’t think mercury causes true MS. However, the effects of mercury poisoning are indistinguishable from MS. I think many people who think that they have MS, actually have mercury poisoning and many, like myself, have both MS and mercury poisoning. I think I have MS, because the blood tests I’ve had done by Dr. Lindner http://www.sky.net/~dporter/MSCFSABX.htm indicate that I have a bacterium that he links, although not yet conclusively, with MS.

Thqnks for your post Kip. That is why we need more studies. It seems to affect people in different ways Jeff Clark says the mercury caused his CFS. Others believe it causes fibro. and the list goes on. I do believe it caused my peripheral neuropathy. How you are doing well. Jan

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About my position on mercury and MS, I don’t think mercury causes true MS. However, the effects of mercury poisoning are indistinguishable from MS. I think many people who think that they have MS, actually have mercury poisoning and many, like myself, have both MS and mercury poisoning. I think I have MS, because the blood tests I’ve had done by Dr. Lindner http://www.sky.net/~dporter/MSCFSABX.htm indicate that I have a bacterium that he links, although not yet conclusively, with MS.

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When I put up the results  of a trial showing strong placebo responses in persons believing they had mercury toxicity

I don’t understand this Peter, do you mean you posted the results? I was advised by the amalgam believers that it takes a couple of months for the mercury to get out of the system.

What amalgam believers?  It takes years to get ALL the mercury out of the system, especially the brain. Seems the science of this condition varies with the times.

That depends of the number of amalgams and how long one waits to get them removed. Here we have one story of complete relief of symptoms within days and another within ten days (in MS, a condition known for wide natural fluctuations in symptoms).

Wide natural fluctuations in symptoms? Please explain this. Please think carefully, people, before having amalgams removed.  

Yes. Be sure to find a very good alt. dentist who follows the correct procedure. There is no solid information to support this action.

What do you means by *solid*? There is plenty of information about mercury amalgams being the cause of many diseases. MS MC,CFS, fibro, AND mercury poisioning. Other clinical trials show no correlation between the low mercury blood levels seen in people with amalgams and symptoms.

Low mercury blood? How about high mercury blood?  Many times a single blood test doesn’t show the mercury deep in the tissue. And there are clinic trials that *DO* show a definite correlation. They have been posted here numerous times. It you have a problem that the doctor can’t find, PLEASE CHECK THE TEETH!  Many ,many people are finding relief after the metal is removed. Then it’s on to chelation to get the mercury out of the system. Some do it with DMPS, DSMA, while others are having success with supplements. You will need to find a doctor who is open to the fact that amalgams can INDEED cause mercury poisioning.  Please do some research and don’t let those doctors who are locked into a little scientific box stop you!!  I took me two years and $20,000 to find the problem, in the meantime I nearly died. Both Kip King (who posts here) I have mercury poisioning. Kip even posted his results, and still  some chose NOT to believe him. I believe Peter is saying that it is all a placebo response. WRONG!  People don’t run out on a whim, and have the metal removed. They do some research, compare the symptoms, and start on the long journey. If the amalgams are the problem, get them replaced. Don’t wait! You must get rid of the cause, then start ridding the system.  These stories such as I posted are true, people don’t make them up. Knowing that many countries are facing the problem, working on bans, having placed restrictions, still doing studies and no longer using mercury amalgams in children is a SURE sign that mercury is indeed a problem.  The only reason we are behind here in the US, is because doctors, dentists and the ADA don’t want any change. We see more and more people speaking up. Hopefully this will get some action going. More and more dentist are brave enough to make the change. In the beginning any dentist who removed metal had his license jerked. Thank God for the brave ones!! Many people are suffering needless, while some doctors are waiting for *solid* evidence. These same doctors will be very reluctant to admit they were wrong, finding some flaw in the studies. There are doctors and dentists who are open minded. Find one, ASAP! This comes from one who *has* mercury poisoning.  Solid as a rock. Jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was advised by the amalgam believers that it takes a couple of months for the mercury to get out of the system. What amalgam believers?  It takes years to get ALL the mercury out of the system, especially the brain. Yes, but Jan, you claimed within DAYS of having your amalgams removed that you felt better than you had in YEARS.

That’s correct. I also say part of it was the relief that it was all over. However most all people do feel better immediately. This is not uncommon. With mercury poisioning the effects are reoccurring. I have monthy cycles. I may feel really good one day and be off my feet the next. Your dramatic improvement within days of the removal strongly suggests a placebo response accounting for the change. But if you want to believe that you had mercury poisoning to account for your symptoms then that is your choice. The important thing is that you are feeling better. Try not to respond defensively to this post

Thank you Rich. Except for the part of if I want to believe I have mercury poisioning. I KNOW I have mercury poisioning and yes I have the records to prove it. And no I’m not going to send  to AF or post them here. If you don’t want to believe me, that is your choice. I sure hope this doesn’t sound defensive. And I feeling much better. Sincerely, Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Aloha, Rich Lab testing is part of the trap of scientific lunacy that surrounds us today Connie

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When I put up the results  of a trial showing strong placebo responses in persons believing they had mercury toxicity I was advised by the amalgam believers that it takes a couple of months for the mercury to get out of the system. Seems the science of this condition varies with the times.  Here we have one story of complete relief of symptoms within days and another within ten days (in MS, a condition known for wide natural fluctuations in symptoms). Please think carefully, people, before having amalgams removed.   There is no solid information to support this action.   Other clinical trials show no correlation between the low mercury blood levels seen in people with amalgams and symptoms. — P Moran

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In 1982 I, suddenly had a bad pain in my left eye and went blind in that eye; the opthalmologist (graduate of Johns Hopkins) diagnosed it as retrobuldar neuritis. He told me it could be Multple Sclerosis. I rejected that diagnosis. Steroids were my only option of treatment, which I also rejected. After approx. 2 months of complete blindness, in that eye, pain had subsided as the inflammation subsided, but nerve damage was not rrectable (so they said) After using visualization techniques,  it started to clear up.  (I read many books on these techniques, and other books, like Norman Cousins, "Anatomy of an Illness.") The doctors were amazed that I gained sight back. (My theory was, if my brain could tell my hand, for instance, to pick something up, and it would respond, then why couldn’t my brain tell my body, internally, to do things, as well. So, I used visualization techniques to tell my brain to send things to blast away the scarred tissue on my optic  nerve, so the electrical impulses which allowed me to see, could get transmitted down the nerve, once more. This did indeed work and although I doubt I will ever get full vision back in that eye (I don’t do those techniques anymore) I can see out of my left eye, although it is like looking through a screen, there are holes in my vision field, and colors don’t look the same anymore. The following year, the double vision abruptly interrupted my life and spinal  taps, MRI’s, and a barrage of nuerological tests "confirmed" the diagnosis of MS. This time I endured the steroids (and the side effects.) The spinal fluid did not show MS, but the "confirmation" was made by the double vision and the plaque or scarring on my brain shown by the MRI’s. The steroids, it is said,  do not work for everyone, but I could see the two separate images gradually coming together as one over a period of 3 months, so the doctors claimed I was steroid sensitive and so they did indeed work for me. Next year, my balance was affected and rotary nystgmus (eyes move on their own and shake constantly) set in. Again, steroids, visualization (my idea again, doctors, of course, poo-poo’d that idea) and 2 months of time made it go away. Through the next few years, I endured depression (attributed to the diagnosis) fatique, blurred vision, nervousness, anxiety, weakness in my limbs, tingling sensations, burning sensations and various pain. (All attributed to the MS, but I rejected steroid treatment and opted for just my own method of treatment: distraction in the form of reckless behavior, ie, sky diving, impulsive behavior, drinking to excess, manic behavior,  etc. It was around that time, 60 Minutes reported the amalgam/mercury story. I had  11 large amalgam fillings. My cousin was a dentist and removed all of them, at one time, and replaced them with gold (now I wish I had opted for composite material, but the gold doesn’t seem to cause me all that many problems). Within 10 days, I had NO more symptoms of MS! Very few people, including my doctors and my cousin, the dentist, believed me. I didn’t care, I KNEW it was from the mercury!! (Thank God for that TV report!)  MS is said to exacerbate with stress. Well, I have endured much stress since  having my fillings replaced: the birth of my son too early, my husband of 15 years being suddenly and tragically decapitated in a car accident,  losing all my money and assets to a con artist, to name a few. These stressors  did not bring on any symptoms, as surely would have if the diagnosis of MS were correct. However, the medical profession will not see it’s way clear to UNdiagnose the MS; making health insurance exhorbitant, for one thing. This has been a long, but educational trek. I HAVE NO DOUBT I was mercury poisoned and still endure some after effects. I did not do any chelation, I didn’t know about it back then.  I feel extremely strong about getting the message out and making  "whom ever it is" that approves mercury use to STOP!  I would like to go back to school to become whatever I need to to get the necessary credentials (not sure what they are, though) to do research,  writing, etc. to get paid for a working against this practice of using mercury, about which I am so passionate, interested and directly affected by. I wish everyone affected by mercury all the best of luck in beating this thing If there are any questions about my experiences, please send me an email or posting and I will be glad to answer. Sincerely,

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Yes, I ahve a few such stories on file.  Can I use yours? John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 1982 I, suddenly had a bad pain in my left eye and went blind in that eye; the opthalmologist (graduate of Johns Hopkins) diagnosed it as retrobuldar neuritis. He told me it could be Multple Sclerosis. I rejected that diagnosis. Steroids were my only option of treatment, which I also rejected. After approx. 2 months of complete blindness, in that eye, pain had subsided as the inflammation subsided, but nerve damage was not rrectable (so they said) After using visualization techniques,  it started to clear up.  (I read many books on these techniques, and other books, like Norman Cousins, "Anatomy of an Illness.") The doctors were amazed that I gained sight back. (My theory was, if my brain could tell my hand, for instance, to pick something up, and it would respond, then why couldn’t my brain tell my body, internally, to do things, as well. So, I used visualization techniques to tell my brain to send things to blast away the scarred tissue on my optic  nerve, so the electrical impulses which allowed me to see, could get transmitted down the nerve, once more. This did indeed work and although I doubt I will ever get full vision back in that eye (I don’t do those techniques anymore) I can see out of my left eye, although it is like looking through a screen, there are holes in my vision field, and colors don’t look the same anymore. The following year, the double vision abruptly interrupted my life and spinal  taps, MRI’s, and a barrage of nuerological tests "confirmed" the diagnosis of MS. This time I endured the steroids (and the side effects.) The spinal fluid did not show MS, but the "confirmation" was made by the double vision and the plaque or scarring on my brain shown by the MRI’s. The steroids, it is said,  do not work for everyone, but I could see the two separate images gradually coming together as one over a period of 3 months, so the doctors claimed I was steroid sensitive and so they did indeed work for me. Next year, my balance was affected and rotary nystgmus (eyes move on their own and shake constantly) set in. Again, steroids, visualization (my idea again, doctors, of course, poo-poo’d that idea) and 2 months of time made it go away. Through the next few years, I endured depression (attributed to the diagnosis) fatique, blurred vision, nervousness, anxiety, weakness in my limbs, tingling sensations, burning sensations and various pain. (All attributed to the MS, but I rejected steroid treatment and opted for just my own method of treatment: distraction in the form of reckless behavior, ie, sky diving, impulsive behavior, drinking to excess, manic behavior,  etc. It was around that time, 60 Minutes reported the amalgam/mercury story. I had  11 large amalgam fillings. My cousin was a dentist and removed all of them, at one time, and replaced them with gold (now I wish I had opted for composite material, but the gold doesn’t seem to cause me all that many problems). Within 10 days, I had NO more symptoms of MS! Very few people, including my doctors and my cousin, the dentist, believed me. I didn’t care, I KNEW it was from the mercury!! (Thank God for that TV report!)  MS is said to exacerbate with stress. Well, I have endured much stress since  having my fillings replaced: the birth of my son too early, my husband of 15 years being suddenly and tragically decapitated in a car accident,  losing all my money and assets to a con artist, to name a few. These stressors  did not bring on any symptoms, as surely would have if the diagnosis of MS were correct. However, the medical profession will not see it’s way clear to UNdiagnose the MS; making health insurance exhorbitant, for one thing. This has been a long, but educational trek. I HAVE NO DOUBT I was mercury poisoned and still endure some after effects. I did not do any chelation, I didn’t know about it back then.  I feel extremely strong about getting the message out and making  "whom ever it is" that approves mercury use to STOP!  I would like to go back to school to become whatever I need to to get the necessary credentials (not sure what they are, though) to do research,  writing, etc. to get paid for a working against this practice of using mercury, about which I am so passionate, interested and directly affected by. I wish everyone affected by mercury all the best of luck in beating this thing If there are any questions about my experiences, please send me an email or posting and I will be glad to answer. Sincerely,

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Thankyou Jan for the story, it was very enlightening. I was aware of the amalgam thingy from watching a few docos on the telly. My mother had hers removed and noticed an improvement within days and swears that she will never get them again, even in an emergency. It is nice to see that through natural ways and common sense we can get better without going through all that. Love and Light Steven

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 1982 I, suddenly had a bad pain in my left eye and went blind in that eye; the opthalmologist (graduate of Johns Hopkins) diagnosed it as retrobuldar neuritis. He told me it could be Multple Sclerosis. I rejected that diagnosis. Steroids were my only option of treatment, which I also rejected. After approx. 2 months of complete blindness, in that eye, pain had subsided as the inflammation subsided, but nerve damage was not rrectable (so they said) After using visualization techniques,  it started to clear up.  (I read many books on these techniques, and other books, like Norman Cousins, "Anatomy of an Illness.") The doctors were amazed that I gained sight back. (My theory was, if my brain could tell my hand, for instance, to pick something up, and it would respond, then why couldn’t my brain tell my body, internally, to do things, as well. So, I used visualization techniques to tell my brain to send things to blast away the scarred tissue on my optic  nerve, so the electrical impulses which allowed me to see, could get transmitted down the nerve, once more. This did indeed work and although I doubt I will ever get full vision back in that eye (I don’t do those techniques anymore) I can see out of my left eye, although it is like looking through a screen, there are holes in my vision field, and colors don’t look the same anymore. The following year, the double vision abruptly interrupted my life and spinal  taps, MRI’s, and a barrage of nuerological tests "confirmed" the diagnosis of MS. This time I endured the steroids (and the side effects.) The spinal fluid did not show MS, but the "confirmation" was made by the double vision and the plaque or scarring on my brain shown by the MRI’s. The steroids, it is said,  do not work for everyone, but I could see the two separate images gradually coming together as one over a period of 3 months, so the doctors claimed I was steroid sensitive and so they did indeed work for me. Next year, my balance was affected and rotary nystgmus (eyes move on their own and shake constantly) set in. Again, steroids, visualization (my idea again, doctors, of course, poo-poo’d that idea) and 2 months of time made it go away. Through the next few years, I endured depression (attributed to the diagnosis) fatique, blurred vision, nervousness, anxiety, weakness in my limbs, tingling sensations, burning sensations and various pain. (All attributed to the MS, but I rejected steroid treatment and opted for just my own method of treatment: distraction in the form of reckless behavior, ie, sky diving, impulsive behavior, drinking to excess, manic behavior,  etc. It was around that time, 60 Minutes reported the amalgam/mercury story. I had  11 large amalgam fillings. My cousin was a dentist and removed all of them, at one time, and replaced them with gold (now I wish I had opted for composite material, but the gold doesn’t seem to cause me all that many problems). Within 10 days, I had NO more symptoms of MS! Very few people, including my doctors and my cousin, the dentist, believed me. I didn’t care, I KNEW it was from the mercury!! (Thank God for that TV report!)  MS is said to exacerbate with stress. Well, I have endured much stress since  having my fillings replaced: the birth of my son too early, my husband of 15 years being suddenly and tragically decapitated in a car accident,  losing all my money and assets to a con artist, to name a few. These stressors  did not bring on any symptoms, as surely would have if the diagnosis of MS were correct. However, the medical profession will not see it’s way clear to UNdiagnose the MS; making health insurance exhorbitant, for one thing. This has been a long, but educational trek. I HAVE NO DOUBT I was mercury poisoned and still endure some after effects. I did not do any chelation, I didn’t know about it back then.  I feel extremely strong about getting the message out and making  "whom ever it is" that approves mercury use to STOP!  I would like to go back to school to become whatever I need to to get the necessary credentials (not sure what they are, though) to do research,  writing, etc. to get paid for a working against this practice of using mercury, about which I am so passionate, interested and directly affected by. I wish everyone affected by mercury all the best of luck in beating this thing If there are any questions about my experiences, please send me an email or posting and I will be glad to answer. Sincerely,

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In 1982 I, suddenly had a bad pain in my left eye and went blind in that eye; the opthalmologist (graduate of Johns Hopkins) diagnosed it as retrobuldar neuritis. He told me it could be Multple Sclerosis. I rejected that diagnosis. Steroids were my only option of treatment, which I also rejected. After approx. 2 months of complete blindness, in that eye, pain had subsided as the inflammation subsided, but nerve damage was not rrectable (so they said) After using visualization techniques,  it started to clear up.  (I read many books on these techniques, and other books, like Norman Cousins, "Anatomy of an Illness.") The doctors were amazed that I gained sight back. (My theory was, if my brain could tell my hand, for instance, to pick something up, and it would respond, then why couldn’t my brain tell my body, internally, to do things, as well. So, I used visualization techniques to tell my brain to send things to blast away the scarred tissue on my optic  nerve, so the electrical impulses which allowed me to see, could get transmitted down the nerve, once more. This did indeed work and although I doubt I will ever get full vision back in that eye (I don’t do those techniques anymore) I can see out of my left eye, although it is like looking through a screen, there are holes in my vision field, and colors don’t look the same anymore. The following year, the double vision abruptly interrupted my life and spinal  taps, MRI’s, and a barrage of nuerological tests "confirmed" the diagnosis of MS. This time I endured the steroids (and the side effects.) The spinal fluid did not show MS, but the "confirmation" was made by the double vision and the plaque or scarring on my brain shown by the MRI’s. The steroids, it is said,  do not work for everyone, but I could see the two separate images gradually coming together as one over a period of 3 months, so the doctors claimed I was steroid sensitive and so they did indeed work for me. Next year, my balance was affected and rotary nystgmus (eyes move on their own and shake constantly) set in. Again, steroids, visualization (my idea again, doctors, of course, poo-poo’d that idea) and 2 months of time made it go away. Through the next few years, I endured depression (attributed to the diagnosis) fatique, blurred vision, nervousness, anxiety, weakness in my limbs, tingling sensations, burning sensations and various pain. (All attributed to the MS, but I rejected steroid treatment and opted for just my own method of treatment: distraction in the form of reckless behavior, ie, sky diving, impulsive behavior, drinking to excess, manic behavior,  etc. It was around that time, 60 Minutes reported the amalgam/mercury story. I had  11 large amalgam fillings. My cousin was a dentist and removed all of them, at one time, and replaced them with gold (now I wish I had opted for composite material, but the gold doesn’t seem to cause me all that many problems). Within 10 days, I had NO more symptoms of MS! Very few people, including my doctors and my cousin, the dentist, believed me. I didn’t care, I KNEW it was from the mercury!! (Thank God for that TV report!)  MS is said to exacerbate with stress. Well, I have endured much stress since  having my fillings replaced: the birth of my son too early, my husband of 15 years being suddenly and tragically decapitated in a car accident,  losing all my money and assets to a con artist, to name a few. These stressors  did not bring on any symptoms, as surely would have if the diagnosis of MS were correct. However, the medical profession will not see it’s way clear to UNdiagnose the MS; making health insurance exhorbitant, for one thing. This has been a long, but educational trek. I HAVE NO DOUBT I was mercury poisoned and still endure some after effects. I did not do any chelation, I didn’t know about it back then.  I feel extremely strong about getting the message out and making  "whom ever it is" that approves mercury use to STOP!  I would like to go back to school to become whatever I need to to get the necessary credentials (not sure what they are, though) to do research,  writing, etc. to get paid for a working against this practice of using mercury, about which I am so passionate, interested and directly affected by. I wish everyone affected by mercury all the best of luck in beating this thing If there are any questions about my experiences, please send me an email or posting and I will be glad to answer. Sincerely,  

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I am thinking about getting my degree in accounting.  Can anyone give me the jist of what I can do with that degree? JR

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JR, First a note you have the Happy.Exe worm on your system.  To anyone else reading this post do not open the attached Happy.Exe File.  It is a virus and will continue to spread.  Delete it without opening the file. Regarding what you can do with an accounting degree – that is completely up to you.  I’ve seen history majors that ended up running companies.  The area of accounting itself has many different areas that you can specialize in, taxes, costing, management reporting, just to name a few.  After getting your degree and some experience you can begin to develop your area of interest and go from there. Good luck. Don   Regards,   Donald A Haney, MBA   Emergency Care Specialists, PC   "Learning occurs in the mind, independent of time and place." – Plato   I am thinking about getting my degree in accounting.  Can anyone give me the   jist of what I can do with that degree?   JR

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I am sure we are in much better  health buying supplements from mainstream suppliers who provide independent analyses of their products than snake oil from MLMers.

Leave it alone Helen.  Now you’re just trying to incite.  In case you think that we’re all immature little schoolboys and girls with low grades, let me confirm for you that independent analysis and testing by universities and laboratories in countless countries the world over, and reports and certificates and whatever other documentation you think you need before you’ll give anyone or thing the time of day, has been done and is regularly done for the product range I have referred to.  Besides….isn’t is a bit of an admission on your part that you actually do buy supplements at all?  You’re prepared to buy a supplement from a proprietory company whose sole aim is to make money?  You’re even prepared to take these supplements without examining what else is available on the marketplace?  You’re still happy to pay someone you don’t even know, 60% more than the product is actually worth to support their advertising budget? ……ah forget it…..now we’re just going round in circles again. *L*  Personally, I doubt you would be in better health than me, but since I don’t know you from a bar of proverbial soap….I’ll just agree with you and leave it at that.  Thanks for your stimulating discussion.  Have a nice life….and a long one at that.

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Tim,         In what way does your MLM company provide to the consumer an accurate accounting of what goes into it’s product? Do they supply certificates of analysis upon request? Is your MLM a current member of the NNfA – National Nutritional Foods Association? How long have they been in the business of making supplements? Is this their specialty or is this just another facet of their colorful catalog? And lastly because I’m relatively certain you believe that Helen & I are immature children with low grades, is your MLM company a nonprofit organization? If so that is truly astounding, how is it they fund all that research? As the manager for a RETAIL supplement store for the last 20 years, I’ve found that products sold by MLM companies are the ones guilty of selling their usually inferior products for up to 60% more than quality products would be. D. Shamoda http://www.allways-healthy.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sure we are in much better  health buying supplements from mainstream suppliers who provide independent analyses of their products than snake oil from MLMers. Leave it alone Helen.  Now you’re just trying to incite.  In case you think that we’re all immature little schoolboys and girls with low grades, let me confirm for you that independent analysis and testing by universities and laboratories in countless countries the world over, and reports and certificates and whatever other documentation you think you need before you’ll give anyone or thing the time of day, has been done and is regularly done for the product range I have referred to.  Besides….isn’t is a bit of an admission on your part that you actually do buy supplements at all?  You’re prepared to buy a supplement from a proprietory company whose sole aim is to make money?  You’re even prepared to take these supplements without examining what else is available on the marketplace?  You’re still happy to pay someone you don’t even know, 60% more than the product is actually worth to support their advertising budget? ……ah forget it…..now we’re just going round in circles again. *L*  Personally, I doubt you would be in better health than me, but since I don’t know you from a bar of proverbial soap….I’ll just agree with you and leave it at that.  Thanks for your stimulating discussion.  Have a nice life….and a long one at that.

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