Benny wrote: > I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great.
I am 60 years old. I have been married four times, twice to the same woman (#1 & #4; the mother of my children). My grown children are 30 and 31. Each produced a grandchild last year. Our daughter lives literally next door. I’m having dinner at her place in an hour or so. Our son lives in the nearest large town, about 45 minutes away. I can’t tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I would do. I would be rent a U Haul and head for Cleveland. I have experienced nothing in this life as miserable as living with an unhappy woman. I have experienced nothing as wonderful as living with a happy woman, with the possible exception of playing with my grandchildren. — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA http://survivalworks.com
It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with > her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law > can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we > constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would > be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland.
Just remember there is a huge difference between spending the weekend with someone and living in the same home town. It’s usually much easier living in your own house and in your own space, than living with your in-laws. You mightn’t find it nearly so bad if you were actually living there in your own place. Why not try staying in your own accommodation when you go and visit them and see whether this is more tolerable.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: Jim Hudspeth >I am 60 years old. I have been married four times, twice to the same woman >(#1 & #4; the mother of my children). My grown children are 30 and 31. >Each produced a grandchild last year. Our daughter lives literally next >door. I’m having dinner at her place in an hour or so. Our son lives in >the nearest large town, about 45 minutes away. >I can’t tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I would do. >I would be rent a U Haul and head for Cleveland. >I have experienced nothing in this life as miserable as living with an >unhappy woman. >I have experienced nothing as wonderful as living with a happy woman, with >the possible exception of playing with my grandchildren. >– >Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA >http://survivalworks.com
You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it 
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Jadelee111512 wrote: > You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it )
At my age I sure hope so. My wife is spending this weekend at a rented house with a bunch of female nurses from the clinic where she works. I have the weekend to play (alt.accounting, alt.support.marriage, alt.whatever, New Yorker, Atlantic Monthly, Wall St. Journal, etc., etc.). I just finished dinner with my daughter & granddaughter at my daughter’s place. Her husband had to work late. He just got home. We had a few very pleasant words & I left. They need some time. — Jim Hudspeth,
>From: Jim Hudspeth >> You my dear, sound like a wise man who has finally gotten it ) >At my age I sure hope so.
Some people never do 
My response: I think this is a serious situation. My aunt married a man and had a child in a town where she was not happy. It never got better and he would not move because he wanted to stay where his mother lived and he liked his job. She stayed until her daugher graduated from high school and then she left. That’s a long time to endur a place you hate. I visited her and I didn’t like it there either. Some places are just not meant for some people. It doesn’t sound like you two really care as much for being with each other as you care about being with your families. I think you should consider a separation and definitely no children until this is sorted out. Or you could move half way in between the families. That way you would each be an hour away from each family. Or move to somewhere completely away from both families. That way you depend on each other for company. So that is my two cents. Benny wrote:
Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her feel guilty for living in Columbus. Also, her mother is constently upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then you’ll do this one thing for me and move." Now, I’ve lived my entire life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this tough situation. Any advice would be great. Thnx, B
>From: cheron…@webtv.net >I think this is a serious situation. My aunt married a man and had a >child in a town where she was not happy. It never got better and he >would not move because he wanted to stay where his mother lived and he >liked his job. She stayed until her daugher graduated from high school >and then she left. That’s a long time to endur a place you hate. I >visited her and I didn’t like it there either. Some places are just not >meant for some people. It doesn’t sound like you two really care as much >for being with each other as you care about being with your families. I >think you should consider a separation and definitely no children until >this is sorted out. Or you could move half way in between the families. >That way you would each be an hour away from each family. Or move to >somewhere completely away from both families. That way you depend on >each other for company. So that is my two cents.
What happens if that distance happens to be a thousand miles away? My husband wants to stay here and I want to live where we both came from.
Jadelee111512 wrote | It appears that the OP has disappeared. | | Hate it when that happens – Michaela
I think that first you two need to elevate your discourse a little bit. It sounds like she is using some really classic manipulation attacks, e.g. If you really loved me, you would… and I did that for you, now you should do this for me… Also you say she has changed (she’s not herself in Columbus). Don’t expect her to change change back to what she was 5 years ago It won’t happen. People change, and don’t expect the reasoning of "If only this were fixed everything would be ok again." It doesn’t happen. If she’s unhappy in Columbus, she’ll be unhappy in Cleveland. Just for a different reason. If you shouldn’t have made the assumption that you would be in Columbus the rest of your lives, she shouldn’t have assumed that you wouldn’t be. Have you considered seeing a marriage counselor? If you argue for 4.5 hours and got nowhere, there’s a problem. I think that you need to learn how to productively and jointly solve a problem. The other thing is in either case you would only be a few hours away from the other city. Surely you can find some sort of compromise. Before you can make a good decision about where to live you probably both need to learn how to communicate and fight fair. Tony In article <fd6ac55d.0201180855.1ba90…@posting.google.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - bennyandthej…@yahoo.com (Benny) wrote: > Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 > years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown > after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at > the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 > yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my > hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close > with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs > north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and > sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my > wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, > her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some > part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night > she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland > in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. > Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister > recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always > reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her > feel guilty for living in Columbus. Also, her mother is constently > upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife > feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me > and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then > you’ll do this one thing for me and move." Now, I’ve lived my entire > life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in > a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend > lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too > far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family > is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my > mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with > her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law > can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we > constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would > be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. > So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because > she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have > assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. > Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her > feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to > be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to > grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last > night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great. > Thnx, B
Benny <bennyandthej…@yahoo.com> wrote:
: So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because : she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have : assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Why she thinks you shouldn’t? Has she told you she is unhappy in Columbus? From your post it is very clear she doesn’t feel good, but it is not clear if living where you live is an issue. How about asking her exactly what is not OK with Columbus? If she will insist on leaving, offer her moving to some other place – far away from Columbus AND far away from her family. You are married to her not to her family, if you can’t stand them, don’t move next to them – it will only make matters worse. Tell your wife you don’t want to live next to them, and listen what she will answer. : Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her : feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to : be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to : grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last : night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this : tough situation. Any advice would be great. This ir bad sign, IMHO. She doesn’t feel secure. Maybe her relationships with your relatives in Columbus has some problems? You should discuss your "general life plan" with your wife: how do you plan your careers, how many kids do you plan to have, does she plan to be SOHM, how she feels about changes in her life, what she expects from you and what you expect from her. There are many questions you can ask yourself and then discuss with your wife – and answers for you both absolutely *must* be at least not mutualy exclusive. Place where you live may have nothing to do with your problems at all. Timo — Chamber-pot is spamtrap. Contact me tiwoll at gmx dot net.
>From: TommyJ >Assuming you would be at least equally unhappy if you moved, I’m siding >a little bit with you, -for now.
That makes little sense to me. >Your wife made the decision to move to >be with you. You didn’t ask her to do that. Although maybe that didn’t >constitute a "life-time" agreement in her mind, moving would be a >drastic change for you that you hadn’t anticipated when you agreed to >get married. She knew what she was getting in to.
Life is about taking risks. If you don’t take risks then you don’t grow. It is possible…and of course I am speaking from my own experience that one takes a risk and realizes it was a mistake. That is the case for me. I have been here for 8+ years and realize that without the sun and ocean I am often depressed. Living in sweat clothes 10 months out of the year sucks in my opinion. Does that mean that I should be forced to stay here until I’m in my 60’s? The point I am making is this: couples should work together for the good of the relationship. Whether the issue is moving, finances, in laws or children…the couple should be figuring out how everyone’s needs can be met. If someone is not happy, it should be discussed how they can work together as a team to help that person become happier. It seems a bit callous to me to hear something like…well, she made her bed, now she has to lie in it. >However, if and/when you have kids, you may want to consider moving if >your wife would be the primary care person for them.
Things don’t magically change for the better once children arrive. If this woman is not happy now, then they had better figure out what their plans are before getting pregnant! Perhaps no children are in order if they can’t reach an agreement and she really and truly needs to move. I didn’t realize >how important the support of the extended family can be until we had a >child. Trust me on this one. Assuming her family is physically and >emotionally able to help with the care of your child, being a convenient >distance away can make you and your wife’s life with kids much easier.
I have raised both of my children away from family and have done a wonderful job. Family is not as crucial in my opinion as being where you want to be. I raised one child in Calif, where I loved it and one child here, where I hate it and believe me…it makes a world of difference. And I had no family there or here. >There are lots of other issues at work here though. One concern I’d have >is that you don’t like your mother in law very much and that might be >exacerbated by moving closer and by having kids.
Hehe. I won’t even touch that issue. Mother in laws can be rancid even when you live 3000 miles away. Another thing for your >wife to think about is that a little distance can be a good thing when >there’s conflict in the family. She maybe trading one set of bad >feelings for another if you two move closer to her family and she’s >constantly dealing with the fighting between her mother and sister.
How old is this woman? I assume she is a grown up and understands the logistics and dynamics involved. She did, afterall, grow up with them >Perhaps you could agree to a two year trial, your wife may remember some >of the reasons she left had nothing to do with you and be eager to leave >again. On the other hand, you may find that living there isn’t so bad, >and 2.5 hours isn’t really all that far away from your own family.
Now that’s a good idea! But it will have to be well thought out ahead of time…purchasing houses and finding jobs are not issues to be dealt with lightly. >Lastly, your individual happiness is tied to your spouse’s to a certain >extent. So even if you look at it selfishly, being married to a happy >person is a whole lot nicer than being married to one that’s miserable.
I agree In our case, my husband claims that he’d be miserable if we moved back to CA. So I guess we get to have me miserable here so that he isn’t miserable there. As you see, we have not resolved this issue. I probably should not even be responding to this thread for that matter! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Just as an aside, given the choice, my wife would prefer to move my hometown and I would prefer to move to hers. I like the scenic beauty and quaintness of her town, but she dislikes the cold weather, -not that my hometown is exactly tropical. She’d prefer to live closer to my family. Unfortunately, her family was small. She’s an only child, her mother’s dead, and her father has been in an institution for several years. But, if we didn’t have kids, she probably wouldn’t have that much desire to live any closer to my family than we do today.
Benny wrote:
<snip > So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because > she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have > assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. > Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her > feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to > be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to > grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last > night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this > tough situation. Any advice would be great. > Thnx, B
I’m sorry you’ve found yourself in this situation. Jadelee’s advice about listening to your wife (and how to listen) is very good. Assuming you would be at least equally unhappy if you moved, I’m siding a little bit with you, -for now. Your wife made the decision to move to be with you. You didn’t ask her to do that. Although maybe that didn’t constitute a "life-time" agreement in her mind, moving would be a drastic change for you that you hadn’t anticipated when you agreed to get married. She knew what she was getting in to. However, if and/when you have kids, you may want to consider moving if your wife would be the primary care person for them. I didn’t realize how important the support of the extended family can be until we had a child. Trust me on this one. Assuming her family is physically and emotionally able to help with the care of your child, being a convenient distance away can make you and your wife’s life with kids much easier. There are lots of other issues at work here though. One concern I’d have is that you don’t like your mother in law very much and that might be exacerbated by moving closer and by having kids. Another thing for your wife to think about is that a little distance can be a good thing when there’s conflict in the family. She maybe trading one set of bad feelings for another if you two move closer to her family and she’s constantly dealing with the fighting between her mother and sister. Perhaps you could agree to a two year trial, your wife may remember some of the reasons she left had nothing to do with you and be eager to leave again. On the other hand, you may find that living there isn’t so bad, and 2.5 hours isn’t really all that far away from your own family. Lastly, your individual happiness is tied to your spouse’s to a certain extent. So even if you look at it selfishly, being married to a happy person is a whole lot nicer than being married to one that’s miserable.
Hi B, I very much relate to your situation, although I moved much farther to be with my husband. I have not been happy here so in your post, I mostly relate to your wife. My suggestion to you is to try and be as understanding as possible. Try and listen to your wife without saying, "yeah but…". Be empathic and try and put yourself in her shoes. One of the most frustrating things in a relationship is when a spouse tries to explain how they feel and they’re met with resistance. That adds insult to injury. I also highly recommend seeking some counseling over this particular issue. A person who is not involved in your lives can look at the situation without any biases (unlike friends and family). The bottom line is that it’s a very real issue that causes pain to both of you and it has to be addressed. A trained professional can help you with this. You don’t have to go for years a psychotherapy… this is just to address this problem. I feel for both of you. My husband is in your shoes and we have wrestled with this issue for close to 9 years. The whole time, me living where he wants to live. It’s not easy but you have to both come to terms with it. Again, until you can seek some outside help, I suggest that you try to be as understanding and kind as possible toward your wife’s feelings. Don’t resist how she feels.
Hi. Let me give you a little background…I’ve been married for 1.5 years. We are both 29. We met in college, and she moved to my hometown after college. I never asked her to move here, but we were serious at the time, and she had some great friends living here, so she moved. 4 yrs later, we were engaged. Now we are married, and living in my hometown, Columbus, Ohio, for 6 yrs. total. We are both very close with are immediate families. My wife grew up in Cleveland (2.5 hrs north of Columbus)and her family still lives there, mother,father and sister. Here’s where the problem arises. Over the last few years, my wife has been complaning periodically how she doesn’t like Columbus, her friends have moved, and she really really misses her family…some part of her is "missing". That brings us to the present…last night she basically comes out and says that she wants to move to Cleveland in a year or two, and has been hinting that over the last few years. Her mother, father and only sister liver in Cleveland. Her sister recently had her first baby a few months ago, her mother is always reminding my wife how much she misses her, and I believe making her feel guilty for living in Columbus. Also, her mother is constently upset…her sister apparently treats her mother horribly,so my wife feels she should be there for her mother. My wife says "if you love me and can see that i’m not myself in Columbus (which she’s not)then you’ll do this one thing for me and move." Now, I’ve lived my entire life here, all my close friends still live here, I have a good job in a small company working with friends, my brother who is my best friend lives 2 minutes from me, my sister just got married and lives not too far from me, and I’m also a mamas boy. Furthermore, my wife’s family is Italian, and extremely loud,nosey,and overbearing(mainly my mother-in-law). It’s bad enough trying to spend a long weekend with her..I can’t imagine living in the same area code. My brother in law can atest to that, since he’s been putting up with her for years…we constantly talk about how annoying she is. So really feel that I would be just as miserable, if not more so in Cleveland. So we are at an impass. She thinks I should do this for her, because she’s done it for me for 6 years. According to her, I shouldn’t have assumed that we were living in Columbus for the rest of our lives. Also, she has a feeling that when she’s pregnant in a year or two, her feeling of home sickness will triple and will probably want to move to be with her mother and sister…not to mention she wants our kids to grow up with her nieces and nephews. After 4.5 hrs of arguing last night, nothing is resolved. I really don’t know how to approach this tough situation. Any advice would be great. Thnx, B
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To be fair Talesin tried this same tatic with me last year. He got it ALL wrong but he did publish online what he thought my name place of work and other details were …. I did not do this (I could care less) BUT it is a Karmic lesson for David!
Contacts: <snip Hey Asshole I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? To be fair Talesin tried this same tatic with me last year. He got it ALL wrong but he did publish online what he thought my name place of work and other details were …. I did not do this (I could care less) BUT it is a Karmic lesson for David!
True, true… As he said, this isn’t even his info. It’s someone else’s. That person doesn’t deserve a bunch of kooks calling/dropping by thinking they’re contacting tales. [for whatever reason] Publishing someone’s info is just plain wrong. Publishing the *wrong* info is worse… involving innocent, unknowing people. — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy."
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I imagine they would. Just think of getting last years messages… heh — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
put finger to key and barely tapped out: ~ am going to change to Sprint next month when the contract is up. ~ ~I’ve got Alltel. Awful. ~Thinking about going to Sprint, too. [internet] ~Alltel’s the only phone company around here. Oh, and my phone is RARELY charged, and I haven’t bothered to figure out how to get messages. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
put finger to key and barely tapped out: ~ am going to change to Sprint next month when the contract is up. ~ ~I’ve got Alltel. Awful. ~Thinking about going to Sprint, too. [internet] ~Alltel’s the only phone company around here. Oh, and my phone is RARELY charged, and I haven’t bothered to figure out how to get messages.
heh "You have…. 3001 messages." — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
put finger to key and barely tapped out: Oh, btw, now that you all have my address I will be expecting a birthday card. January 23, 1966 Thank you very much. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contacts: <snip Hey Asshole I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? Calm down. This is not my stuff. It is just some shit she ("Walter" is MOONPHA1SE) got off of switchboard.com I called the person who has this number and advised them of what is going on (just incase some whacko like Carl or Moonie shows up at their house). I also sent them copies of the post with headers intact. He happens to be a computer engineer and his wife is, well, that’s a surprise but it is really funny. E-mail me private and I will tell you if you want. Mr Talesin, for somebody like yourself who wants to bring about a lawsuit, you have posted somebody’s name, city and state in which they live, furthermore, if that information is not yours, then there is nothing for you to worry about. Let the other "David Willard" handle the legal problem, and besides hacking into somebody’s computer from your own to get information on their e mail addresses they use in the newsgroup is a criminal matter, however, looking up somebody’s name and address from the on line white pages and posting it is not. Suppose you think very hard before you even consider taking any type of legal action.
Well, well, well. Who said anything about me taking legal action? Perhaps you misunderstood what I said in IM last night. Of course, you have just proven that you are Deborah Berger aka MOONPHA1SE a known stalker and net terrorist. As a Witch I have, well, other ways of dealing with life’s difficulties. However you have spread enough malicious libel on these groups that you probably should be saving those nickels up to defend yoursefl from all of the people who are going to end up owning you. — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid!
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Oh. My bad. ‘-)~ Oh, and that is my cell phone number…I have Alltel and hate it. I am going to change to Sprint next month when the contract is up.
I’ve got Alltel. Awful. Thinking about going to Sprint, too. [internet] Alltel’s the only phone company around here. — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
put finger to key and barely tapped out: Oh, btw, now that you all have my address I will be expecting a birthday card. January 23, 1966 Thank you very much.
It’s too late to send a card in Jan 1966. — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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brown) ~ put finger to key and barely tapped out: ~ ~ Oh, btw, now that you all have my address I will be expecting a ~ birthday card. January 23, 1966 ~ Thank you very much. ~ ~It’s too late to send a card in Jan 1966. 2002 dear! Oh, and that is my cell phone number…I have Alltel and hate it. I am going to change to Sprint next month when the contract is up. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contacts: <snip Hey Asshole I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? Calm down. This is not my stuff. It is just some shit she ("Walter" is MOONPHA1SE) got off of switchboard.com I called the person who has this number and advised them of what is going on (just incase some whacko like Carl or Moonie shows up at their house). I also sent them copies of the post with headers intact. He happens to be a computer engineer and his wife is, well, that’s a surprise but it is really funny. E-mail me private and I will tell you if you want.
Mr Talesin, for somebody like yourself who wants to bring about a lawsuit, you have posted somebody’s name, city and state in which they live, furthermore, if that information is not yours, then there is nothing for you to worry about. Let the other "David Willard" handle the legal problem, and besides hacking into somebody’s computer from your own to get information on their e mail addresses they use in the newsgroup is a criminal matter, however, looking up somebody’s name and address from the on line white pages and posting it is not. Suppose you think very hard before you even consider taking any type of legal action. By the way, these two messages that you posted, Talesin certainly make you look like the troublemaker in the eyes of the judge. Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca, alt.religion.asatru View: Complete Thread (14 articles) | Original Format – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wanted to point out to all of you that I have, yet again, destroyed another ARW enemy. rhyannon now lies in the large pile of UseNet "corpses" I have accumulated. Along with her she took the entire remnant of "pig culture" including Gman the drunk, Pip the knower of the "one true secret of Witchcraft," Gargoyle the miserable disease infested loser, Rogue the deformed poster girl for terminal depression, and a host of other vermin. All that is left is poor Jules. That is because she is condemned to simply wander about as if lost. Her punishment for bringing the disease "I de Salvo" among us. The list is getting so long! Shez, Desperado/alt.2600, the pig herself, ren, ARWM- I can hardly keep track of all the ass I have kicked. Do you really think the poltroons of uk.religion.pagan have a chance? Be sure to reply there if you want me to see it. — Talesin- Patriot and Witch Please pardon my interuption to this thread. I am not a regular poster here, just a sometime-lurker. But I unfortunately have to inform you that one of the corpses is not quite dead. A poster by the name of MOONPHAlZE has begun stalking several posters on AOHELL’s Pagan message board. She is acting the same way she did in this forum a few years back. Same old Method of Operation. She has recently sent out threatening e-mails accusing people of conspiring against her. The most recent mailing she has distributed has several screen names from this forum in it, along with copies of posts by those people, some dating back to 1997! Talesin was one of the people listed in this e-mail. I have no clue why she is bringing these people and posts up in another forum, but I wanted to give some forewarning, as this loon has definately fallen off her rocker. Blessings, Kat
We are all well aware of MOONPHA1SE who’s real name is Deborah Berger (aka Debbieburger) lives in Salem MA. Her shtick is to do her zombie routine until she pisses people off and then TOS-ing them. She will send an abuse report to my ISP merely for giving you her name. There is no accounting as to how her mind works, we have not talked in ages. Your best course is to ignore her and bomb AOL with TOS complaints everytime she fucks up. She is a whack case so arguing with her is pointless. — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid! Message 3 in thread Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca, alt.religion.asatru View this article only
We are all well aware of MOONPHA1SE who’s real name is Deborah Berger (aka Debbieburger) lives in Salem MA. Her shtick is to do her zombie routine until she pisses people off and then TOS-ing them. She will send an abuse report to my ISP merely for giving you her name. There is no accounting as to how her mind works, we have not talked in ages. Your best course is to ignore her and bomb AOL with TOS complaints everytime she fucks up. She is a whack case so arguing with her is pointless. I wonder which nitwit shrink let moonphart out of the asylum?????? Be afraid Moonphart, be very afraid!!!!! Oldone
This is what I hear from someone I know who follows Debbieburger’s AOL exploits: "You would not believe the problems she is causing. BTW- she now lives in Louisiana. She is presently stalking via phone calls and mail a Pagan community leader of the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Salem. She has been posting negative comments on AOL about the ARW people, and the newsgroup in general. As to why she is sending mail to AOL users containing posts from A.R.W. I have no clue" — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid!
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~ ~ put finger to key and barely tapped out: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ message ~ ~ ~ Contacts: ~ ~ ~<snip ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~Hey Asshole ~ ~ ~I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. ~ ~ ~How would you like your personal info splattered all over the ~ place? ~ ~ ~ ~ All you have to do for that is look up on network solutions whois ~ ~ www.rubinesque.com ~ ~ You will have everything you need to know about this twit. ~ ~ ~Miss Laura, you talk too much in the newsgroup and this is the ~information that was searched on your own website: ~ ~Registrant: ~ cat-a-tonic studios ~ 246 Eagle Drive ~ Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 ~ US ~ ~ Domain Name: CATATONICSTUDIOS.COM ~ ~ Administrative Contact: ~ 246 Eagle Drive ~ Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 ~ US ~ 850-819-5724 ~ ~ Technical Contact: ~ Suite 607 – 4538 Kingsway ~ Burnaby, BC V5H 4T9 ~ CA ~ 604-434-4307 ~ ~ Billing Contact: ~ 246 Eagle Drive ~ Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 ~ US ~ 850-819-5724 ~ ~ ~ Record last updated on 12-Oct-2001. ~ Record expires on 02-May-2002. ~ Record Created on 02-May-2001. ~ ~ Domain servers in listed order: ~ DNS3.DOTEASY.COM 209.153.212.103 ~ DNS4.DOTEASY.COM 209.153.212.104 Honey, I always knew this info was out there. I’m sure others have looked it up. They just have more class, grace, tact and character to post it. Now you have shown me yourself completely. Post my phone number now. Okay?? Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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<snip Hey Asshole I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy."
Contacts: <snip Hey Asshole I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place?
Calm down. This is not my stuff. It is just some shit she ("Walter" is MOONPHA1SE) got off of switchboard.com I called the person who has this number and advised them of what is going on (just incase some whacko like Carl or Moonie shows up at their house). I also sent them copies of the post with headers intact. He happens to be a computer engineer and his wife is, well, that’s a surprise but it is really funny. E-mail me private and I will tell you if you want. — Talesin- Patriot and Witch ICQ 86535317 AIM Tales1n http://home.kc.rr.com/pendragonsloft We are not afraid!
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~ Contacts: ~<snip ~ ~Hey Asshole ~I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. ~How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? All you have to do for that is look up on network solutions whois www.rubinesque.com You will have everything you need to know about this twit. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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Oh jeebusfuckingchrist. Well, at least I got the "Hey Asshole" part right… — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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Definitely — /nikaia/the undead/ ONO/OCC Mother Bag Lady of the Order of Sisters of Perpetual Bagging "I’m counting UFOs. I signal them with my lighter. And in this moment, I am happy." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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Miss Laura, you talk too much in the newsgroup and this is the information that was searched on your own website: Registrant: cat-a-tonic studios 246 Eagle Drive Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 US Domain Name: CATATONICSTUDIOS.COM Administrative Contact: 246 Eagle Drive Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 US 850-819-5724 Technical Contact: Suite 607 – 4538 Kingsway Burnaby, BC V5H 4T9 CA 604-434-4307 Billing Contact: 246 Eagle Drive Panama City Beach, Florida 32407 US 850-819-5724 Record last updated on 12-Oct-2001. Record expires on 02-May-2002. Record Created on 02-May-2001. Domain servers in listed order: DNS3.DOTEASY.COM 209.153.212.103 DNS4.DOTEASY.COM 209.153.212.104 ~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~Oh jeebusfuckingchrist. ~ ~Well, at least I got the "Hey Asshole" part right… <chuckle Yes, I thought you would appreciate that. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
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~ put finger to key and barely tapped out: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Contacts: ~ ~<snip ~ ~ ~ ~Hey Asshole ~ ~I’m not his biggest fan, but that shit’s not cool. ~ ~How would you like your personal info splattered all over the place? ~ ~ All you have to do for that is look up on network solutions whois ~ www.rubinesque.com ~ You will have everything you need to know about this twit. ~ ~Oh jeebusfuckingchrist. ~ ~Well, at least I got the "Hey Asshole" part right… <chuckle Yes, I thought you would appreciate that. Laura! Jetzt bin ich leicht, jetzt fliege ich, jetzt sehe ich mich unter mir, jetzt tanzt ein Gott durch mich. ~Nietzsche ONO/OCC www.knology.net/~vanda www.catatonicstudios.com
Contacts: Kansas City Business number: (816) 931-4443 On-site number (913) 796-2141 On-site number (913) 796-1766 Earth Rising P.O. Box 10442 Kansas City, MO 64171-0442 David Willard 7309 N Liberty St Kansas City, MO 64118 David Willard aka Talesin, why don’t you go tell everybody that you meet on the street about your personal sex life! You are obviously telling everybody here in the newsgroup! Fun With Tents by The Pendragon The Festival had been possibly one of the best times of my life. Five days of camping, drinking, drumming, and fucking. It was a nonstop party with people who know what a party is all about. I was sharing my tent with my girlfriend and a Covenmate, also a girl, with whom I had been quite good friends for some time. It was the last night of the fest and my girlfriend was out partying with some of her friends while I was hanging with my Covenmate. We had decided to hop down to the main building for a shower. In the manner that things normally work, a torrential downpour hit just as we began walking back to the tent. We ran a long way through the rain in the dark and the mud until we made it back to the tent. The tent had a little screened vestibule outside of the sleeping area. We stopped there, our wet clothes dripping. Having no other choice, we stripped and entered the main area. In this area, we had a big air mattress covered by a sleeping bag and several blankets. My first thought, of course, was that my friend and I would fuck for awhile to pass the time inside the boring tent. Clicking on the flashlight, I saw my girlfriend’s sleeping form curled up on the bed. So much for my fun. Resigned to maybe no more than some fun cuddling, I slipped between the covers. In the darkness the lightning flashed and the thunder rumbled. The wind made the sides of the tent ripple. Here I was in a nice warm and dry bed between to luscious naked women. My girlfriend seemed to be thoroughly passed out from whatever she had been drinking; she lay on her side oblivious to everything. I rolled over and snuggled up against her. I reached around and cupped her tit in my hand as I nestled my cock against her ass. I nuzzled the back of her neck, wishing I could do more. As I lay I felt the other girl pressing her huge firm tits against my back. I could feel her silky bush against my back. The feeling of all that warm flesh on both sides was just too much. I felt my cock getting hard against my girlfriend’s ass. She felt it too, and began rubbing herself against me. I returned the rub as she came awake. She rolled over and kissed me, deeply, as she pushed her pussy against my rock hard dick. I began to massage her tits. I draped my leg over her so I could rub against her even harder. I slipped my hand down and began caressing her pussy with my fingers. The I spread her lips and began to gently rub her clit and inner lips. She was instantly wet and began to writhe under my attentions. Suddenly I felt the other girl pull away, and then her fingers trailing down my ass. She stopped for a moment to play with my asshole, and the cupped my balls from behind. My girlfriend pushed against me urgently. My friend pulled her hand away as I rolled over onto my back. My girlfriend kissed me again sticking her tongue deeply into my mouth. She grabbed my cock and began pumping away. Her mouth moved down my throat and onto my chest. She took on of my nipples into her mouth and sucked on it, then moved to the other and nibbled for a while. She then trailed kisses all the way down my stomach. Pausing to look at me for just a second, she put her mouth over my dick and swallowed it with a gulp. She moved her head up and down, sliding her tongue along my shaft as she did. She would stop at the top of each stroke and lick the head, and then plunge down again. She was like a wild woman. I gently placed my hand on her head to encourage her. With my other hand I found my friend’s nipple and began to knead and pinch it. She writhed with pleasure. My girlfriend kept sucking until I felt like I was going to explode in her mouth. Sensing my impending explosion, she stopped. Then she climbed on me and straddled my dick. Placing the head against her sopping pussy, she plunged my cock deep inside her. She rode me as if I were a horse. She moved in a wild frenzy back and forth, bucking wildly. I grabbed her ass and every time she moved forward I pulled back and when she moved back I thrust myself deep inside her. Thrusting and pumping we were fucking like animals in the heat of pure passion. After a while I felt her body tense as she let out a loud moan that was answered by a peal of thunder. Her pussy grabbed my cock and began milking it in the spasms of her orgasm. This was too much and I came so hard the every muscle in by body tensed. I pumped load after load of my how jism into her hungry cunt. I could not believe my balls could hold so much come. I filled her up and squirted out of her. After coming in wave after wave, she slumped and then slid off me. My dick made a damp little "pop" as it came out of her pussy. I was satisfied and lay back watching the lightning through the tent and listening to the rain pattering on the nylon. The combination of powerful sex and all the alcohol she had drunk was too much for my girlfriend. I heard her gently snoring. My friend hadn’t moved. I assumed she was asleep as well. I was beginning to drift off myself when I felt my friend. Her huge breasts brushed my chest as she leaned over to swab my mouth out with the talented tongue. I slid my hand down her back, over her ass, then I stuck my finger into her pussy. It was sopping wet. She obviously had been watching and was turned on by what she had seen. She rose, and then moved down my body. She began licking my come soaked dick and balls. She lapped up the mixture of my come and my girlfriend’s pussy juice like it was a treat. She moaned as she lapped away, and she made sure she got every drop. I didn’t think I had it in me, but her licking felt so good my dick began to get hard again. When it did, she went down on me. She sucked and licked my cock like a lolly pop. After she was sure it was good and hard, she stopped. Moving back up to face me, she whispered "Fuck me." She rolled over on her back and spread he legs wide. I got between them and guided my dick to her waiting love hole. Then I rammed it in as far as it would go. She was so tight it felt like I was fucking a virgin. She moaned so loudly I was sure she was going to wake my girlfriend. I pistoned in and out of her as hard as I could, rocking her whole body. Her tits looked like mounds of Jell-O is they wobbled back and forth. She let out a little grunt each time I pumped into her. Finally she grabbed my hair and whispered "Fuck me in my ass until I come!" I pulled out and waited until she rolled over and got up on her hands and knees. I stuck my dick against her waiting ass; it was so slick with her juices that my dick just popped in. I slowly slid in and out until she relaxed, and then I began pumping in earnest. Getting fucked in the ass is her favorite, and I always loved watching my dick slide in and out of her between those lovely cheeks. The lightning flashed like a strobe as I fucked her tight asshole. She began to moan and her luscious back door started squeezing my dick harder and harder. "Come inside my ass!" she whispered just as her body began shuddering with her orgasm. My cock exploded with cum as I flooded her ass with my hot jism. We were so hot and sweaty from the wild sex that we both got up and walked out to stand in the rain. I let the rain sluice off all of the love juices, sweat, and residue of our lovemaking. I could almost imagine steam coming off me. When I was cool and clean, I went back into the tent, dried off, and slipped back in to my snoring girlfriend. My friend climbed in behind me and we all snuggled together in the warmth of our bed. It was the best night’s sleep I have ever had. – The Pendragon 816-308-0005
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to see "real" prodigies look outside of the world of rock/blues into the classical realm. I’m not up on current trends but I remember a time when Japan was turning out boatloads of mega technical violinists, many of them below 10 years old. My computer is an amazing technical player too. It can play the same song over and over again exactly without a single mistake. Daniel.
See!!!!! You never know whats gonna happen when they grow up.HA HA!!!!! How about Shannon Curfman. They play her off as a Prodigy and she certainly is nothing special,just a Johnny Lang imitator without the
I was in a guitar store in Tallahassee a couple months ago noodling around on a guitar. This kid came in with his Dad and started playing. He started whipping up on SRV and Hendrix. Turns out his name was Rick Lollar. He had just been featured in the local paper as a prodigy. He has a web site if anyone wants to check him out.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
That’s all there IS out there, is pre-teen blues prodigies! Used to be you had to be sort an intenerant, seedy, low-life night-crawler to play the blues, now all you need is to be able to drink milk out of a glass, and not a sippee-cup. I’m gonna go soak my liver in a vat of cheap whiskey, now. Lee’ me ‘lone. Blind Legless "Two Train" Dan
Check out this youngun. WWW.NICKSTERLING.COM Barry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
Stephan Lessard of the Dave Matthews Band is a bass prodigy. He was the last member of the band and joined at 16 yrs old. He is only 23 now.
Don’t know if you’d call ‘em prodigies, but…While at the Sarasota Blues Jam last year we saw a group from Jacksonville, I believe their name was "Thunder and Lightning," or something to that effect. They were quite good and ranged in age from 16-18. One 16 year old played keyboard and sax. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t know if you’d call ‘em prodigies, but…While at the Sarasota Blues Jam last year we saw a group from Jacksonville, I believe their name was "Thunder and Lightning," or something to that effect. They were quite good and ranged in age from 16-18. One 16 year old played keyboard and sax. A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
progidy? i dont think so.. that should be reserved for guys like Tony Williams who started with Miles Davis at 17…
Check out this youngun. WWW.NICKSTERLING.COM
I saw Nick at a guitar show in Phoenix a couple of years ago, I’m guessing he would have been about 8 or 9 at that time. As I was wandering the show, I passed by one booth and note there is a group of guys standing around and I can hear someone noodling around some blues riffs. I stop to see what is the attraction – there is this kid, full sized Strat in hand, laying out some tasty licks. One of the adults asks him "do you know any Jimi Hendrix…" Kid lays into Voodoo Chile (slight return). Funny, picture all of the adults standing around simultaneously sigh, bow heads and slump shoulders and shuffle away dragging feet. (sound of air escaping…) HAW! Tom
A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies???
the day i went into a guitar store and saw a 14-15 year old kid play steve howe’s ‘the clap’ in A music store, i said to myself ’screw the fast technical playing..-i’ll never be this good..’ if this kid was able to play this technical, there must be lots of other prodigies out there…therefore, i continued playing but my focus was now to try to play my way.. the least influences possible.. even though i’m now 37 and i just play/jam for fun, i can’t really say that i play bad..but that kid kinda’ve put me in a different direction.. georgio — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
Well Georgio don’t let that kids chops get you down …… I would bet you a dollar to a doughnut you have a lick or two he might have trouble with. — Charles Johnston AB7SL – Ham Radio Pages http://www.ab7sl.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies??? the day i went into a guitar store and saw a 14-15 year old kid play steve
howe’s ‘the clap’ in A music store, i said to myself ’screw the fast technical playing..-i’ll never be this good..’ if this kid was able to play this technical, there must be lots of
other prodigies out there…therefore, i continued playing but my focus was now to try to play my way.. the least influences possible.. even though i’m now 37 and i just play/jam for fun, i can’t really say
that i play bad..but that kid kinda’ve put me in a different direction.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – georgio — Remove the *NOSPAM* part in my email if you reply..
if this kid was able to play this technical, there must be lots of other prodigies out there…therefore, i continued playing but my focus was now to try to play my way.. the least influences possible.. even though i’m now 37 and i just play/jam for fun, i can’t really say that i play bad..but that kid kinda’ve put me in a different direction..
That sounds like a great outlook to me. I’m kind of similar. I was helped along in this way of thinking by years of classical lessons (both on clarinet and piano). I was practicing 4 hours a day on the piano at the same time as there were guys doing 12+. Sick! The time commitment for that level of playing prowess is huge and wasn’t what I was looking for (changed my major to accounting… ). If you want to see "real" prodigies look outside of the world of rock/blues into the classical realm. I’m not up on current trends but I remember a time when Japan was turning out boatloads of mega technical violinists, many of them below 10 years old. Kirk
A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years.
[snip] Think its the ritalin?
If you want to see "real" prodigies look outside of the world of rock/blues
into the classical realm. I’m not up on current trends but I remember a time when Japan was turning out boatloads of mega technical violinists, many of them below 10 years old. My computer is an amazing technical player too. It can play the same song over and over again exactly without a single mistake. Daniel.
Whatever ever happened to the little guy that hung out with Steve Vai??? I think his name was Thomas Mcraughlin or something like that. Grady
Whatever ever happened to the little guy that hung out with Steve Vai??? I think his name was Thomas Mcraughlin or something like that.
Thomas McRocklin! HAhahaha!! I think he took my order at Wendy’s last week…got it wrong too…;) Dan Chernow Guitarist/Instructor BCM ‘94
Nathan Cavaleri from Australia is a child prodigy. Check out this article if you want: http://imusic.artistdirect.com/showcase/contemporary/nathancavaleri.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Don’t know if you’d call ‘em prodigies, but…While at the Sarasota Blues Jam last year we saw a group from Jacksonville, I believe their name was "Thunder and Lightning," or something to that effect. They were quite good and ranged in age from 16-18. One 16 year old played keyboard and sax. A couple of days ago on Regis there was an 11-year-old kid playing an Eric Clapton song quite well. He has been playing guitar for 4 years. No sheetreading just playing by ear. His guitar was something like a Les Paul, he said daddy got it for him for $5000. I think the kid’s name was Truelove. Not a bad name for a future bluesplayer. Anyway, do you guys know of other guitar prodigies??? progidy? i dont think so.. that should be reserved for guys like Tony Williams who started with Miles Davis at 17…
Would someone please be kind enough to explain the differences, if any, between LLC (Limited Liability Company), S Corporation and Corporation.
An S Corp differs from a Corporation mostly in how it is taxed. Generally, Corporations are taxed as a separate entity, while the profits of an S Corp are divided among the shareholders and taxed on their individual returns. An LLC is an entity set up to shield the members (owners) from personal liability for debts and liabilities of the LLC entity. It is generally taxed as a partnership (with exceptions). An LLC and a corp offer different levels of protection for the owners. If you are looking for general information, feel free to ask a specific question. If you are looking for how to set up your new business, do some research, then please don’t do anything without running the question past an accountant and an attorney, to discuss how it applies to your situation. — Bryan Johnson, EA Pioneer Tax & Accounting Service Portland, OR www.oregontaxhelp.com
Would someone please be kind enough to explain the differences, if any, between LLC (Limited Liability Company), S Corporation and Corporation. Many thanks. Simon
You could check out: http://www.nolo.com/encyclopedia/articles/sb/which_form.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Would someone please be kind enough to explain the differences, if any, between LLC (Limited Liability Company), S Corporation and Corporation. Many thanks. Simon
An appellate court is hearing the government’s appeal of U.S. v. Emerson, a Texas case resulting from a divorce action that resulted in Dr. Timothy Emerson being indicted by a federal grand jury. Emerson was in violation of the Lautenberg Amendment – a local court had placed a restraining order against him, making it against federal law for him to possess a firearm. In April 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Cummings ruled that this law was an unconstitutional infringement of the "individual right to bear arms." Cummings set aside the indictment, and in doing so, struck a grievous blow to the gun prohibitionists. Of course, the government appealed the decision. The following is from the transcript of oral arguments: Judge William L. Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?" Assistant U.S. Attorney William B. Mateja: "Yes." Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?" Mateja: "Exactly." Mateja then argued that even membership in the National Guard would not qualify an individual to possess firearms. Garwood: "Membership in the National Guard isn’t enough? What else is needed?" Mateja: "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard." The above represents the position of the Clinton/Gore administration. No matter which side wins this appeal, the other will certainly appeal to the Supreme Court. If Gore is elected he will appoint Supreme Court Justices who support this position.
Is there really a difference between the two major parties?
If you don’t know the difference, please don’t vote. Lon
Swat Teams are sort of like guns in general, it’s better to have them, & not need then, that to need one, & not have it. I realize, for folks who react to the the "G word" (Government!) in the same way as when "Niagara Falls!" is mentioned in the old Three Stooges, & Abbot & Costello movies, this is a real sore spot, but the abolition of all Swat outfits sure ain’t the way to go either… There will always be screw ups, bad calls, & campaigns that fail. However, high speed chase victims outnumber bungled Swat operations by about a 100 to 1… The philosophy of "I won’t bother you, if you don’t bother me…" just doesn’t have a place in law enforcement. Don
Is there really a difference between the two major parties?
Just who are those swat teams going to be used against. Here in Florida they call them out for a barking dog. The official explination is they need the practice or if they dont use them enough maybe some one will ask how much they cost. Problem with police swat teams is they think they are a spec. war group but they dont have the time and especially money to train that well so they arent as good as some think they are.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on Pete! You must have see a lot of government work up close, although, the folks who like to be Comando Stormtroopers rarely mix hangovers, & shootin’ irons However, getting the chance to act like a Ninja Warrior is a pretty rare thrill, & every outfit wants a piece of the action. Imagine the fun of machine gun target practice when you don’t have to buy the shells! Horrible as the thought may be, it’s probably a good idea to have plenty of Swat Teams around – just in case we need them… Don
Horrible as the thought may be, it’s probably a good idea to have plenty of Swat Teams around – just in case we need them…
On the contrary, they are an ever-present danger to everybody. A case to point is the Ruby Ridge episode. An ATF agent named Birley (sp?) became angry at Weaver when he refused to snitch for him. The local sheriff already had a grudge because Weaver had run against him for sheriff and refused to let the sheriff use a right-of-way for sheep/cattle across Weaver’s land for tourists. So they manufactured a lie about Weaver being a Green Beret training skin heads to rob banks and called in the SWAT team to get even. Next thing we know a federal marshal and Weaver’s son and wife are dead and we are paying $2mil reparations. These were federal marshals and FBI’s HRT! Imagine a bunch of squirrels from IRS or BATF and you have another Waco.
Right on Pete! You must have see a lot of government work up close, although, the folks who like to be Comando Stormtroopers rarely mix hangovers, & shootin’ irons However, getting the chance to act like a Ninja Warrior is a pretty rare thrill, & every outfit wants a piece of the action. Imagine the fun of machine gun target practice when you don’t have to buy the shells! Horrible as the thought may be, it’s probably a good idea to have plenty of Swat Teams around – just in case we need them… Don
Gosh, Bob, I’ve already apologized and stated in a second message that I misspoke. Try reading all of the threads before you bare your fangs, okay? Mike, CA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – DO NOT…. attempt to lay this at a Republican’s feet Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., introduced the Handgun Safety and Registration Act, or S.2099, because "the police should not be limited in their ability to track down criminals." This is Schumer and his group. Thanks for the heads up though. Robert a Republican sponsored bill now in the Senate Finance Committee.
My fault and apology Mike. Just scared me to death thinking that the Republicans had started acting like Democrats. Hope your weekend was a good one and thanks again for the alert. PS Really wasn’t fangs…. just shock…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gosh, Bob, I’ve already apologized and stated in a second message that I misspoke. Try reading all of the threads before you bare your fangs, okay?
DO NOT…. attempt to lay this at a Republican’s feet Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., introduced the Handgun Safety and Registration Act, or S.2099, because "the police should not be limited in their ability to track down criminals." This is Schumer and his group. Thanks for the heads up though. Robert
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.. a division of the IRS was practicing with automatic weapons. The range clerk said these agents are at .. raids where large amounts of cash are found… usually working with the FBI,…
Hmmmm …. Does this say they need machine guns to protect the $$$ from FBI???
.. a division of the IRS was practicing with automatic weapons. The range clerk said these agents are at .. raids where large amounts of cash are found… usually working with the FBI,… Hmmmm …. Does this say they need machine guns to protect the $$$ from FBI???
Betcha the reality is they have end of fiscal year money to spend (Use it or lose it, an underlying precept of govt and not-for-profit accounting and budgeting) and owed somebody some TDY and a chance to get away from the office. I know USAF procurement folks who have been to those shooting schools, which makes even less sense. Glad I don’t live nearby, ’cause I bet some of them have wicked hangovers and aren’t really paying attention…
Did they travel there by RV??? Tex Houston
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While at the range the other day, a division of the IRS was practicing on the rifle range with automatic weapons. Go figure. The range clerk said these IRS agents are at drug raids and other raids where large amounts of cash are found…they are usually working with the FBI, she said. Rob RVer, Boater, Gun Owner
While at the range the other day, a division of the IRS was practicing on the rifle range with automatic weapons. Go figure. The range clerk said these IRS agents are at drug raids and other raids where large amounts of cash are found…they are usually working with the FBI, she said.
It’s called an "instant audit". 
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While at the range the other day, a division of the IRS was practicing on the rifle range with automatic weapons. Go figure. The range clerk said these IRS agents are at drug raids and other raids where large amounts of cash are found…they are usually working with the FBI, she said.
I’ll give you one worse than that. I was at an Atlanta area range a few years ago and saw an EPA wannabe SWAT team practicing. Whathehell does the damned EPA need with ninja-clothed jackbooted thugs? What are they going to do, machine-gun a 55 gallon drum? I can see it now "Don’t drop that gum wrapper or we’ll shoot!". After watching them shoot for a bit, I wasn’t too worried about them actually hitting anyone. — John De Armond http://personal.bellsouth.net/~johngd/ Cleveland, TN
NO – it was an RV they were using for target practice with those neat automatic weapons… 8^) — Gary – KJ6Q
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did they travel there by RV??? Tex Houston While at the range the other day, a division of the IRS was practicing on the rifle range with automatic weapons. Go figure. The range clerk said these IRS agents are at drug raids and other raids where large amounts of cash are found…they are usually working with the FBI, she said. Rob RVer, Boater, Gun Owner
You’re right, Bruce. Sorry. I experienced a brain f**t. Mike, CA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – S2099, a Republican sponsored bill< Ummm…..Mike? The Republicans don’t want to take away your 2nd amendment rights. The Republicans don’t want to tax your firearms. Please check and you’ll find that the bill in question is sponsored by Schumer, Lautenberg, et al. All gun grabbing Democrats! — Bruce Kirchner TRA L2 #5888 NAR #69850 Michigan Team 1 HUVARS Visit My Rocketry Home Page – http://members.aol.com/balthezar/index.html Proud Gun Owner!
While at the range the other day, a division of the IRS was practicing on the rifle range with automatic weapons. Go figure. The range clerk said these IRS agents are at drug raids and other raids where large amounts of cash are found…they are usually working with the FBI, she said. Rob RVer, Boater, Gun Owner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re right, Bruce. Sorry. I experienced a brain f**t. Mike, CA S2099, a Republican sponsored bill< Ummm…..Mike? The Republicans don’t want to take away your 2nd amendment rights. The Republicans don’t want to tax your firearms. Please check and you’ll find that the bill in question is sponsored by Schumer, Lautenberg, et al. All gun grabbing Democrats! — Bruce Kirchner TRA L2 #5888 NAR #69850 Michigan Team 1 HUVARS Visit My Rocketry Home Page – http://members.aol.com/balthezar/index.html Proud Gun Owner!
S2099, a Republican sponsored bill<
Ummm…..Mike? The Republicans don’t want to take away your 2nd amendment rights. The Republicans don’t want to tax your firearms. Please check and you’ll find that the bill in question is sponsored by Schumer, Lautenberg, et al. All gun grabbing Democrats! — Bruce Kirchner TRA L2 #5888 NAR #69850 Michigan Team 1 HUVARS Visit My Rocketry Home Page – http://members.aol.com/balthezar/index.html Proud Gun Owner!
To see one of the latest attempts at a National firearms registration program, this time through the IRS, go to http://www.senate.gov/ and perform a number search of S2099, a Republican sponsored bill now in the Senate Finance Committee. Then, for a plain language explanation of the bill, which, by the way, would also levy an additional tax on firearms, go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/s2099summary.htm . Mike, CA RVChem.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the heads up even if it is on the RV news group. If it were our first amendment right in debate here, people & the press would be up in arms. An appellate court is hearing the government’s appeal of U.S. v. Emerson, a Texas case resulting from a divorce action that resulted in Dr. Timothy Emerson being indicted by a federal grand jury. Emerson was in violation of the Lautenberg Amendment – a local court had placed a restraining order against him, making it against federal law for him to possess a firearm. The above represents the position of the Clinton/Gore administration. No matter which side wins this appeal, the other will certainly appeal to the Supreme Court. If Gore is elected he will appoint Supreme Court Justices who support this position.
To see one of the latest attempts at a National firearms registration program, this time through the IRS, go to http://www.senate.gov/ and perform a number search of S2099, a Republican sponsored bill now in the Senate Finance Committee. Then, for a plain language explanation of the bill, which, by the way, would also levy an additional tax on firearms, go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/s2099summary.htm .
This bill is sponsored by Jack Reed, Democrat of Rhode Island; Jack Schumer, Democrat of nu yawk and Frank Lautenberg, Democrat of Nu Joesey. Not a republican in sight. Glad to see you’re as accurate and careful in your political statements as you are about your sewer goop. John — John De Armond http://personal.bellsouth.net/~johngd/ Cleveland, TN
To see one of the latest attempts at a National firearms registration program, this time through the IRS, go to http://www.senate.gov/ and perform a number search of S2099, a Republican sponsored bill now in the Senate Finance Committee.
Since this Bill was introduced by Jack Reed, Dem from RI and co- sponsored by Frank Lautenburg, Dem, NJ, and Charles Schumer, Dem, NY, I wonder how you get the idea that it is republican sponsored?????? Is this a way to put down the Republican party or just an honest slip??? George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Then, for a plain language explanation of the bill, which, by the way, would also levy an additional tax on firearms, go to http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/s2099summary.htm . Mike, CA RVChem.net Thanks for the heads up even if it is on the RV news group. If it were our first amendment right in debate here, people & the press would be up in arms. An appellate court is hearing the government’s appeal of U.S. v. Emerson, a Texas case resulting from a divorce action that resulted in Dr. Timothy Emerson being indicted by a federal grand jury. Emerson was in violation of the Lautenberg Amendment – a local court had placed a restraining order against him, making it against federal law for him to possess a firearm. The above represents the position of the Clinton/Gore administration. No matter which side wins this appeal, the other will certainly appeal to the Supreme Court. If Gore is elected he will appoint Supreme Court Justices who support this position.
Thanks for the heads up even if it is on the RV news group. If it were our first amendment right in debate here, people & the press would be up in arms. Being that it is our second amendment right being thrashed, which I might add guarantees the first…. no big deal right ? Go figure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An appellate court is hearing the government’s appeal of U.S. v. Emerson, a Texas case resulting from a divorce action that resulted in Dr. Timothy Emerson being indicted by a federal grand jury. Emerson was in violation of the Lautenberg Amendment – a local court had placed a restraining order against him, making it against federal law for him to possess a firearm. In April 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Sam Cummings ruled that this law was an unconstitutional infringement of the "individual right to bear arms." Cummings set aside the indictment, and in doing so, struck a grievous blow to the gun prohibitionists. Of course, the government appealed the decision. The following is from the transcript of oral arguments: Judge William L. Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?" Assistant U.S. Attorney William B. Mateja: "Yes." Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?" Mateja: "Exactly." Mateja then argued that even membership in the National Guard would not qualify an individual to possess firearms. Garwood: "Membership in the National Guard isn’t enough? What else is needed?" Mateja: "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard." The above represents the position of the Clinton/Gore administration. No matter which side wins this appeal, the other will certainly appeal to the Supreme Court. If Gore is elected he will appoint Supreme Court Justices who support this position.
The above represents the position of the Clinton/Gore administration. No
And just like 230 years ago, it will come down to blood. matter which side wins this appeal, the other will certainly appeal to
I wouldn’t bet on that yet. In the past 65 years the feds have lost numerous such cases, but rather than risk establishing a national precedent, they have let the matter die at the district court level. Of course, they do not advertise which laws are unenforcable in which districts. :) the Supreme Court. If Gore is elected he will appoint Supreme Court Justices who support this position.
And that is the thought that keeps me awake wondering what further preparation I can do… sdb — More guns means less crime. ISBN:0-226-49363-6 *** Watch out for munged e-mail address. User should be sylvan and host is cyberhighway.net. Do NOT send me unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE)!
I don’t know what this has to do with RVing, but I do know that issues like this (and abortion, smoking and tire that loose their tread) are a result of the CIVIL-ization of our society. Unfortunately, the people and the press who yell so loudly, usually have very little practical knowledge. As a result they beat upon their brests and drums and gain an audience…. — Don & Jackie Justice at home Geeze this being retired is tough! | _,,,—,,_ ZZZzz /,`.-’`’ -. ;-;;,_ Life’s purrrfect! ‘—”(_/–’ `-’_) **RV tips and tricks<http://www.chesapeake.net/~justiced**
I still dont understand the scam…… I guess I feel like an idiot if u guys are right though..why would somebody scam like that? sounds like a true story to me in which that guy is pist off at the idiots who charged them $250….. I dont know…. I’m too tired to think right now..
I still dont understand the scam…… I guess I feel like an idiot if u guys are right though..why would somebody scam like that? sounds like a true story to me in which that guy is pist off at the idiots who charged them $250….. I dont know…. I’m too tired to think right now.. Hi Mike. I don’t get this as being a *scam* either. I always thought a scam was where you got took for some money and got nothing in return. All this guy is saying is to forward that letter and recipe to as many people as possible. All you’re wasting is your time, then. Unless this is a kick-ass recipe for cookies, then it is well worth forwarding to all your friends!!!! Karen
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Thanks for this Betsy and Ray, I found the story hard to believe, but I have to admit to an underlying suspicion of large corporations/commercial giants. I’m sure Cathy from P.H.O.B.I.A. would know the appropriate term for *this* particular fear : )) Birdsong
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I heard this story years ago. Who cares if its true or not, makes yummy cookies so everyone make some of these tonight And enjoy with a glass of milk. Karen
Thanks Betsy, this is an easy fraud to pick out (it’s only 50 years old). If anyone feels the need to pass on outragous stories, do yourself and everyone else a favor and check them out first. There are many websited devoted to hoaxes and urban legends. It took all of 30 seconds to pull this one up:
Who cares if this is true or not? All I want to know is if anybody has tried this recipe and is it any good? Karen )) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -All the Ingredients of a Legend Dateline: 07/13/97 This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now — the infamous "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. By the way, the story is not true. It’s a classic urban legend. It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked again and again over the past ten years. Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone else? Gotcha! THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE Okay, everyone….a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y’all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes….the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "I’m sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies….I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.): 2 cups butter 2 tsp. soda 5 cups blended oatmeal** 2 cups brown sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 4 cups flour 2 cups sugar 24 oz. chocolate chips 1 tsp. salt 4 eggs 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke — this is a true story.. That’s it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc….. Ride free, citizen! Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please don’t pass it along. As to the cookies themselves — I haven’t tried them, but by most accounts the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn’t from Neiman Marcus, who didn’t even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was created specifically in response to this legend. If you’re curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story and the recipe at Gail’s Recipe Swap Archive. There’s also a Swedish version for your consumption. And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara Mikkelson’s detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. Bon appetit!
Thanks for this Betsy and Ray, I found the story hard to believe, but I have to admit to an underlying suspicion of large corporations/commercial giants. I’m sure Cathy from P.H.O.B.I.A. would know the appropriate term for *this* particular fear : )) Birdsong
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For cookie lovers…true story. Another variation on an urban myth. Next thing you know, Craig Sherhold is going to send you a request for postcards so he can get into the Guiness book before he dies of terminal brain cancer. Then if that isn’t enough, you’ll hear about the forest fire that leveled acres and as they were surveying the aftermath, they found the carcass of a bird with its wings outstretched, they kicked it over and underneath were four baby birds still alive. And the list goes on. PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU Please don’t. Betsy Thanks Betsy, this is an easy fraud to pick out (it’s only 50 years old). If anyone feels the need to pass on outragous stories, do yourself and everyone else a favor and check them out first. There are many websited devoted to hoaxes and urban legends. It took all of 30 seconds to pull this one up: All the Ingredients of a Legend Dateline: 07/13/97 This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now — the infamous "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. By the way, the story is not true. It’s a classic urban legend. It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked again and again over the past ten years. Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone else? Gotcha! THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE Okay, everyone….a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y’all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes….the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "I’m sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies….I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.): 2 cups butter 2 tsp. soda 5 cups blended oatmeal** 2 cups brown sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 4 cups flour 2 cups sugar 24 oz. chocolate chips 1 tsp. salt 4 eggs 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke — this is a true story.. That’s it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc….. Ride free, citizen! Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please don’t pass it along. As to the cookies themselves — I haven’t tried them, but by most accounts the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn’t from Neiman Marcus, who didn’t even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was created specifically in response to this legend. If you’re curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story and the recipe at Gail’s Recipe Swap Archive. There’s also a Swedish version for your consumption. And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara Mikkelson’s detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. Bon appetit!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For cookie lovers…true story. Another variation on an urban myth. Next thing you know, Craig Sherhold is going to send you a request for postcards so he can get into the Guiness book before he dies of terminal brain cancer. Then if that isn’t enough, you’ll hear about the forest fire that leveled acres and as they were surveying the aftermath, they found the carcass of a bird with its wings outstretched, they kicked it over and underneath were four baby birds still alive. And the list goes on. PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU Please don’t. Betsy
Thanks Betsy, this is an easy fraud to pick out (it’s only 50 years old). If anyone feels the need to pass on outragous stories, do yourself and everyone else a favor and check them out first. There are many websited devoted to hoaxes and urban legends. It took all of 30 seconds to pull this one up: All the Ingredients of a Legend Dateline: 07/13/97 This is a "true story" almost everyone has heard by now — the infamous "$250 Cookie Recipe," most recently associated with the Neiman Marcus company, but which, all through the 1980s, was the bane of Mrs. Fields. By the way, the story is not true. It’s a classic urban legend. It appears to be a variant of a popular tale that Jan Brunvand has traced back as far as 1948, when the overpriced recipe produced a fudge cake, and the amount allegedly charged was $25. The current adjusted-for-inflation version (reproduced below) is still making the email rounds and shows no signs of waning, even though it has been debunked again and again over the past ten years. Are you one of the gullible ones who has forwarded this story to someone else? Gotcha! THE $250 COOKIE RECIPE Okay, everyone….a true story of justice in the good old U.S. of A. Thought y’all might enjoy this; if nothing else, it shows internet justice, if it can be called that. My daughter & I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas & decided to have a small dessert. Because our family are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie." It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and they said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not." Well, I said, would you let me buy the recipe? With a cute smile, she said, "Yes." I asked how much, and she responded, "Two fifty." I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00." Boy, was I upset!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two fifty," and I did not realize she meant $250.00 for a cookie recipe. I asked them to take back the recipe and reduce my bill and they said they were sorry, but because all the recipes were this expensive so not just everyone could duplicate any of our bakery recipes….the bill would stand. I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250.00 and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover will have a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus for nothing. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "I’m sorry but this is the only way I feel I could get even," and I will. So, here it is, and please pass it to someone else or run a few copies….I paid for it; now you can have it for free. (Recipe may be halved.): 2 cups butter 2 tsp. soda 5 cups blended oatmeal** 2 cups brown sugar 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 4 cups flour 2 cups sugar 24 oz. chocolate chips 1 tsp. salt 4 eggs 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla; mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke — this is a true story.. That’s it. Please, pass it along to everyone you know, single people, mailing lists, etc….. Ride free, citizen! Again, despite the admonition at the end, this is not a true story. Please don’t pass it along. As to the cookies themselves — I haven’t tried them, but by most accounts the above recipe makes damned good ones (and a lot of them). No one knows where it came from, but we do know it wasn’t from Neiman Marcus, who didn’t even sell a chocolate chip cookie until a recipe was created specifically in response to this legend. If you’re curious, you can find a few other tasty versions of both the story and the recipe at Gail’s Recipe Swap Archive. There’s also a Swedish version for your consumption. And finally, for the last word on this legend (one would hope), see Barbara Mikkelson’s detailed history, (Costs a) Fortune Cookie. Bon appetit!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For cookie lovers…true story. Another variation on an urban myth. Next thing you know, Craig Sherhold is going to send you a request for postcards so he can get into the Guiness book before he dies of terminal brain cancer. Then if that isn’t enough, you’ll hear about the forest fire that leveled acres and as they were surveying the aftermath, they found the carcass of a bird with its wings outstretched, they kicked it over and underneath were four baby birds still alive. And the list goes on. PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU Please don’t. Betsy
So, I guess it’s *not* true? Birdsong
For cookie lovers…true story.
Another variation on an urban myth. Next thing you know, Craig Sherhold is going to send you a request for postcards so he can get into the Guiness book before he dies of terminal brain cancer. Then if that isn’t enough, you’ll hear about the forest fire that leveled acres and as they were surveying the aftermath, they found the carcass of a bird with its wings outstretched, they kicked it over and underneath were four baby birds still alive. And the list goes on. PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU
Please don’t. Betsy
For cookie lovers…true story…. My daughter and I had just finished a salad at a Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are = such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus cookie. It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and the = waitress said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not but, you can buy the recipe." Well, I =asked how much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it’s a great deal!" I agreed with approval, just add it to my tab I told her. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00". That was outrageous! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money, because according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the = recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this point."I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas. I threatened to refer = them to the Better Business Bureau and the State Attorney General Office for = engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do what you want, it doesn’t matter, we’re not refunding your money." I waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks =got my $250, and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that =I was going to see to it that every Cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus…for = free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this…I don’t want Neiman-Marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe…. NEIMAN MARCUS COOKIES (Recipe may be halved) 2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar 5 cups blended oatmeal *** 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) 1. Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. 2. Cream the butter and both sugars. 3. Add eggs and vanilla, mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. 4. Add chocolate chips, Hershey Bar and nuts. 5. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. 6. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 112 cookies. Have fun!!! This is not a joke — this is a true story. Ride free citizens! PLEASE PASS THIS TO EVERY ONE YOU Donnie American Audio Visual Center I can hardly believe this. If it’s true, it’s totally outrageous, and NM should be avoided like the plague! Birdsong
For cookie lovers…true story…. My daughter and I had just finished a salad at a Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are = such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus cookie. It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the recipe and the = waitress said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not but, you can buy the recipe." Well, I =asked how much, and she responded, "Only two fifty, it’s a great deal!" I agreed with approval, just add it to my tab I told her. Thirty days later, I received my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said, "Cookie Recipe – $250.00". That was outrageous! I called Neiman’s Accounting Dept. and told them the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any *POSSIBLE* interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money, because according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You have already seen the = recipe. We absolutely will not refund your money at this point."I explained to her the criminal statues which govern fraud in Texas. I threatened to refer = them to the Better Business Bureau and the State Attorney General Office for = engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do what you want, it doesn’t matter, we’re not refunding your money." I waited, thinking of how I could get even, or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks =got my $250, and now I’m going to have $250.00 worth of fun." I told her that =I was going to see to it that every Cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus…for = free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this." I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off," and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is!!! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this…I don’t want Neiman-Marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe…. NEIMAN MARCUS COOKIES (Recipe may be halved) 2 cups butter 4 cups flour 2 tsp. soda 2 cups sugar 5 cups blended oatmeal *** 24 oz. chocolate chips 2 cups brown sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) 4 eggs 2 tsp. baking powder 2 tsp. vanilla 3 cups chopped nuts (your choice) 1. Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. 2. Cream the butter and both sugars. 3. Add eggs and vanilla, mix together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking
-Sounds to me like she still cares about you and that’s why she keeps calling.
Well, "cares about" me is going a little far. I get the feeling she doesn’t really care about anything but herself, and is momentarily entertained by putting on a show of care. Kinda like what I do, come to think of it. -I’m truly sorry about this, it must seem that no matter what you do there is no way to "fix" things. IMO she has the problem, not you and as wombn suggested maybe you should switch numbers.
I giggled when wombn suggested this. Not that it wouldn’t be a great idea in other circumstances, but telling my parents, "we have to change the number we’ve had for 28 years because Sarah calls me once a month" just wouldn’t go over too well. But thanks to you and the others who wrote me about this! cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * *** Terror Is The Order Of The Day ***
~snipped8< ~Normally, people don’t call from the other end of the country to mention these things to me, but she’s often felt the need. As though my own lack of interest were something to be countered in kind. Our last three conversations have ended (and begun) badly: each time, I have tried as politely as possible to insist that she stay out of my life; each time, she has travelled from a superior smile that assumes I’m hiding some deep love for her, to rage that I’m hiding no such thing. ~ ~Oh, I’ve tried. We’ve gone down the "can’t we be friends" route a thousand times, until her problems and willful self-disgust begin to bother me.=20 ~Until hearing her voice, so plaintive, so manipulatory, pushes out every bit of friendly care I might have for her. And after a while, I decided no, we can’t be friends. Not knowing how to tell her, I’ve tried a number of means. Ignoring her doesn’t work. Telling her directly doesn’t work. Sugarcoating it doesn’t work. So I’d gone back to ignoring her, until once more, today, she intrudes in my life. ~ ~You can’t escape history. =20 ((((((CP)))))) so true so true What I have trouble understanding (and maybe this is a part of me too) why she doesn’t let go of the something that’s not there for either of you. It’s almost saying well if I try hard enough I will make this mine – although it was never hers to begin with. Sorry I’m doing some reflecting of my own. An obsession I guess it’s called. Compulsive obsessive – Just keep saying no I guess is about all you can do. =20 ((((Cp))))) Email me at: (L Ann) — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
I have to talk to some people. I’ve gotten too used to the online luxury of marking things read and deleting them when I don’t want to see them. ooooooooooooooooooooooo… quite an interesting observation there…… where IS Stewart’s mirror anyway????/
Who needs a mirror? I’m self-centered enough to always be looking my way. I’ve talked recently about the voices in my head–the puppets who tell me their opinions of me, rather than me having access to *my* opinions of me. And I think, those voices didn’t just pop out of nowhere. Someone put them there. yes. they did. But only YOU can get them out. (I’m probably annoying you, yes?)
Nope! The only annoying thing is the "how" of getting them out. This is something my therapist and I struggle with a lot–I’ll come up with these little insights, and neither of us have any idea what to do with them. Which is not to say we don’t try, but everytime she suggests something, it’s a plan I’ve tried before that hasn’t worked. Which, in itself, offers a lesson, that my idea of failure is *so* black and white. Strategy didn’t work a year ago, it won’t work now. I got fired a few years ago, I’ll never work again. it was done so easily before, it could easily be done now. Another good argument for isolation, if the damage weren’t already done. hm….. I isolate myself for very similar reasons. It’s too easy to buy others’ opinions of me. Good, bad or indifferent.
<nodnod And I see myself someday in the future again *needing* to buy those opinions–needing to hear *something* about myself, and once more giving away my torn dignity and trust…. cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * *** Terror Is The Order Of The Day ***
I’m breathing vapors, the air thick with water. It is the worst time to sleep, drowning in dreams after lying awake for an hour, accounting for my life. Wondering why remembering the smallest normal thing is an effort, while painful events from years ago fight for which will spring to mind first.
-I’m really sorry you’re feeling this way cp. ((((cp)))) snip Rendered down to its essentials, the caller wanted me to know that she was involved with someone else, and that she wasn’t interested in me. Normally, people don’t call from the other end of the country to mention these things to me, but she’s often felt the need.
snip -Sounds to me like she still cares about you and that’s why she keeps calling. Oh, I’ve tried. We’ve gone down the "can’t we be friends" route a thousand times, until her problems and willful self-disgust begin to bother me. Until hearing her voice, so plaintive, so manipulatory, pushes out every bit of friendly care I might have for her. And after a while, I decided no, we can’t be friends. Not knowing how to tell her, I’ve tried a number of means. Ignoring her doesn’t work. Telling her directly doesn’t work. Sugarcoating it doesn’t work. So I’d gone back to ignoring her, until once more, today, she intrudes in my life.
-I’m truly sorry about this, it must seem that no matter what you do there is no way to "fix" things. IMO she has the problem, not you and as wombn suggested maybe you should switch numbers. I mentioned, a while back, a friend who’d written a letter about me, full of hatred and illwill. And so today, before I went to sleep, he walked around my mind, and I remembered scenes between us, his critical nature, his veiled insults, and I could almost hit myself for not seeing it all sooner. My insight seems to kick in randomly; most times, it leaves me to fend for myself. The gifts of memory are unexpected, dysepiphanic. And still I can’t help thinking I brought this on myself. Brought what? Brought ages, broken staircases, waterspots gradually darkening. Fogged vision and sore hip. If you laugh at the wrong time, the balance tips, and discontent covers you like damp cloths.
-When I’m feeling particularly low, I can’t stop thinking about past occurences like these, or stupid things I’ve done. When I look back at these moments it seems like it’s just another form of self-mutilation to make myself feel pain. I’m so upset, simply; less simply, I’m appalled and frightened and angry and melancholy. When the present is bad, I retreat to my past–only to find that it, too, is bad. cp
-Please try and push these thoughts away (oh, I know, easily said). But the mind will play cruel games with you when you’re down. Take care of you, Dee e’d & p’d
Charles, I read this dear, and I had this overwhelming urge to come over there and be your receptionist.
Hehe…be prepared for long lunch breaks, and plenty of leave time, considering I get about two calls a month. who wishes she could have stated this in a more ….. uhhhhh ….. nice way?
There almost is no nice way. You should see how hard I grit my teeth when I have to talk to some people. I’ve gotten too used to the online luxury of marking things read and deleting them when I don’t want to see them. I’ve been trying to distract myself all night. And it’s not really working. It’s not the phonecall so much, as what it represents, yet another intrusion into…into *everything*. I spend my life trying to build safety, and more than that, approval, but I’m constantly being made aware that other people don’t give a damn for what I want. Could I have become this way, fearful and sad and lacking control, without all these people who would like to make me fit into their pictures, whether that picture is good little boy, good little boyfriend, or simply good little target? I’ve talked recently about the voices in my head–the puppets who tell me their opinions of me, rather than me having access to *my* opinions of me. And I think, those voices didn’t just pop out of nowhere. Someone put them there. The two biggest metaphors I use for my mind, are the puppets, and the meat machines. The machines, in their contradictory workings (Pull Towards working at the same time as Push Away, Overwhelming Interest clunking alongside Empty Boredom), didn’t come with this brain. Someone put them there. And this makes me so angry, so helpless-feeling. The notion that, sometime in the past, people pressing in on me with their expectations and hatreds put ideas in my head, self-destructive ideas, is too unjust for words. If it was done so easily before, it could easily be done now. Another good argument for isolation, if the damage weren’t already done. Let me sigh a big, heaving sigh. cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * *** Terror Is The Order Of The Day ***
Charles, I read this dear, and I had this overwhelming urge to come over there and be your receptionist. This is why doctors sometimes hire snakes from hell to answer the phones or to collect bills. If they went into the profession with a tender heart they just can’t bring themselves to do what has to be done. So they hire someone to do it for them, or they go broke or work themselves to death. I have learned how to be a snake from hell. This person you talk about … When someone is THIS manipulative, THIS selfish, THIS .. "I know cp will talk to me anyway ..", I would just like to be the one answering the phone. I know my feelings are from my past when I was on some kind of list for the "user/abuser" society. Those who would have sucked me dry and then got angry that I was dry …. afterall, how dare *I* be dry when THEY Oh, disregard. Unless you want to forward the call to ME. I’ll be more than happy to blow her doors off. Anne who wishes she could have stated this in a more ….. uhhhhh ….. nice way? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m breathing vapors, the air thick with water. It is the worst time to sleep, drowning in dreams after lying awake for an hour, accounting for my life. Wondering why remembering the smallest normal thing is an effort, while painful events from years ago fight for which will spring to mind first. My mother knocked on my door this afternoon, waking me from more troublesome psychodrama. I had a phone call, and I dragged myself to the desk to see who wanted to talk. As soon as I heard her voice, a great wrenching mental sigh rose from me like steam. A friend. An acquaintance. A problem. Another body of memory. History. Rendered down to its essentials, the caller wanted me to know that she was involved with someone else, and that she wasn’t interested in me. Normally, people don’t call from the other end of the country to mention these things to me, but she’s often felt the need. As though my own lack of interest were something to be countered in kind. Our last three conversations have ended (and begun) badly: each time, I have tried as politely as possible to insist that she stay out of my life; each time, she has travelled from a superior smile that assumes I’m hiding some deep love for her, to rage that I’m hiding no such thing. Oh, I’ve tried. We’ve gone down the "can’t we be friends" route a thousand times, until her problems and willful self-disgust begin to bother me. Until hearing her voice, so plaintive, so manipulatory, pushes out every bit of friendly care I might have for her. And after a while, I decided no, we can’t be friends. Not knowing how to tell her, I’ve tried a number of means. Ignoring her doesn’t work. Telling her directly doesn’t work. Sugarcoating it doesn’t work. So I’d gone back to ignoring her, until once more, today, she intrudes in my life. You can’t escape history. I mentioned, a while back, a friend who’d written a letter about me, full of hatred and illwill. And so today, before I went to sleep, he walked around my mind, and I remembered scenes between us, his critical nature, his veiled insults, and I could almost hit myself for not seeing it all sooner. My insight seems to kick in randomly; most times, it leaves me to fend for myself. The gifts of memory are unexpected, dysepiphanic. And still I can’t help thinking I brought this on myself. Brought what? Brought ages, broken staircases, waterspots gradually darkening. Fogged vision and sore hip. If you laugh at the wrong time, the balance tips, and discontent covers you like damp cloths. I’m so upset, simply; less simply, I’m appalled and frightened and angry and melancholy. When the present is bad, I retreat to my past–only to find that it, too, is bad. cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * *** Terror Is The Order Of The Day ***
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m breathing vapors, the air thick with water. It is the worst time to sleep, drowning in dreams after lying awake for an hour, accounting for my life. Wondering why remembering the smallest normal thing is an effort, while painful events from years ago fight for which will spring to mind first. My mother knocked on my door this afternoon, waking me from more troublesome psychodrama. I had a phone call, and I dragged myself to the desk to see who wanted to talk. As soon as I heard her voice, a great wrenching mental sigh rose from me like steam. A friend. An acquaintance. A problem. Another body of memory. History. Rendered down to its essentials, the caller wanted me to know that she was involved with someone else, and that she wasn’t interested in me. Normally, people don’t call from the other end of the country to mention these things to me, but she’s often felt the need. As though my own lack of interest were something to be countered in kind. Our last three conversations have ended (and begun) badly: each time, I have tried as politely as possible to insist that she stay out of my life; each time, she has travelled from a superior smile that assumes I’m hiding some deep love for her, to rage that I’m hiding no such thing. Oh, I’ve tried. We’ve gone down the "can’t we be friends" route a thousand times, until her problems and willful self-disgust begin to bother me. Until hearing her voice, so plaintive, so manipulatory, pushes out every bit of friendly care I might have for her. And after a while, I decided no, we can’t be friends. Not knowing how to tell her, I’ve tried a number of means. Ignoring her doesn’t work. Telling her directly doesn’t work. Sugarcoating it doesn’t work. So I’d gone back to ignoring her, until once more, today, she intrudes in my life. You can’t escape history. I mentioned, a while back, a friend who’d written a letter about me, full of hatred and illwill. And so today, before I went to sleep, he walked around my mind, and I remembered scenes between us, his critical nature, his veiled insults, and I could almost hit myself for not seeing it all sooner. My insight seems to kick in randomly; most times, it leaves me to fend for myself. The gifts of memory are unexpected, dysepiphanic. And still I can’t help thinking I brought this on myself. Brought what? Brought ages, broken staircases, waterspots gradually darkening. Fogged vision and sore hip. If you laugh at the wrong time, the balance tips, and discontent covers you like damp cloths. I’m so upset, simply; less simply, I’m appalled and frightened and angry and melancholy. When the present is bad, I retreat to my past–only to find that it, too, is bad. cp
I think for the first time cp – I don’t know what to say…. <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP<<<<<CP<<<<<CP<<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP <<<<<CP<<<<<CP<<<<<CP<<<<<CP I have realized that I can no longer afford the luxury of feelings. I can not afford the luxury of tears, or the sadness or pain. I am alone. In this lone and dreary world only those that have someone in their lives to share with, can afford such a luxury. Those of us that are alone can not allow ourselves the benefit of emotions. Lady A/ Life is a nightmare walking. Death is a going home.
I’m breathing vapors, the air thick with water. It is the worst time to sleep, drowning in dreams after lying awake for an hour, accounting for my life. Wondering why remembering the smallest normal thing is an effort, while painful events from years ago fight for which will spring to mind first. My mother knocked on my door this afternoon, waking me from more troublesome psychodrama. I had a phone call, and I dragged myself to the desk to see who wanted to talk. As soon as I heard her voice, a great wrenching mental sigh rose from me like steam. A friend. An acquaintance. A problem. Another body of memory. History. Rendered down to its essentials, the caller wanted me to know that she was involved with someone else, and that she wasn’t interested in me. Normally, people don’t call from the other end of the country to mention these things to me, but she’s often felt the need. As though my own lack of interest were something to be countered in kind. Our last three conversations have ended (and begun) badly: each time, I have tried as politely as possible to insist that she stay out of my life; each time, she has travelled from a superior smile that assumes I’m hiding some deep love for her, to rage that I’m hiding no such thing. Oh, I’ve tried. We’ve gone down the "can’t we be friends" route a thousand times, until her problems and willful self-disgust begin to bother me. Until hearing her voice, so plaintive, so manipulatory, pushes out every bit of friendly care I might have for her. And after a while, I decided no, we can’t be friends. Not knowing how to tell her, I’ve tried a number of means. Ignoring her doesn’t work. Telling her directly doesn’t work. Sugarcoating it doesn’t work. So I’d gone back to ignoring her, until once more, today, she intrudes in my life. You can’t escape history. I mentioned, a while back, a friend who’d written a letter about me, full of hatred and illwill. And so today, before I went to sleep, he walked around my mind, and I remembered scenes between us, his critical nature, his veiled insults, and I could almost hit myself for not seeing it all sooner. My insight seems to kick in randomly; most times, it leaves me to fend for myself. The gifts of memory are unexpected, dysepiphanic. And still I can’t help thinking I brought this on myself. Brought what? Brought ages, broken staircases, waterspots gradually darkening. Fogged vision and sore hip. If you laugh at the wrong time, the balance tips, and discontent covers you like damp cloths. I’m so upset, simply; less simply, I’m appalled and frightened and angry and melancholy. When the present is bad, I retreat to my past–only to find that it, too, is bad. cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * *** Terror Is The Order Of The Day ***
: I thought the electronic ticket was supposed to : simplify the paperwork but this seemed much the same. It does save a lot of paperwork but the PAX does not see it, beacuse there is not ticket there is no IATA/BSP clearing house delays, no shipping the tickets for accounting and most important no commision to an agent. RdM
: I thought the electronic ticket was supposed to : simplify the paperwork but this seemed much the same. It does save a lot of paperwork but the PAX does not see it, beacuse there is not ticket there is no IATA/BSP clearing house delays, no shipping the tickets for accounting and most important no commision to an agent. RdM
There must be a commission to an agent, otherwise T/As would not be pushing them. But of course, when your record has somehow disappeared in the computer, you are left with NOTHING!!. As they say, there is no paper ticket to lose (for the passenger), but then the airline is free to lose your ticket completely…. I would not touch one of those with the tip of my fingers. Emile
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Details: Airline: Canadian Airlines Itinerary: Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146) Nice idea, but even on domestic routes, airlines require ID before issuing a boarding pass.
Not in Canada they don’t…. — Lawrence Segal Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Details: Airline: Canadian Airlines Itinerary: Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146) How do you deal with the fact that airlines now want you to show a piece of photo ID to prove you really are the person whose name appears on the ticket? I’m not condoning this guy trying to sell his ticket, but when I flew on Canadian from Toronto to Halifax (and onward to PEI) last May, I was *NOT* asked to show any I.D. Nor when I’ve flown from Toronto to Ottawa. (Kinda scary in retrospect). That’s not to say that they don’t do *pop* requests for ID on domestic flights. Remember, Canadian regulations != US regulations.
Exactly! There is NO requirement to show ID when cehcking in for a domestic flight in Canada. I sold the return leg of a Halifax-Ottawa flight last month, and the purchaser got to where he was going, and at a very low cost (less than bus). As long as the airlines charge such outrageous fares for o/w flights, it makes sense to buy an excursion ticket and sell off the half you don’t require to someone else. Makes a lot more sense than throwing flight coupon 2 in the trash… — Lawrence Segal Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA
It is against the conditions of the ticket purchase to transfer non-transferable tickets (or parts thereof); nevertheless as mentioned, it has not been uncommon to sell these for Canadian domestic flights. The only restriction is sex since the ticket buyer has a title, Mr. etc and ticket agents will question a girl called Mr. John Smith There is no government requirement to show ID on Canadian domestic flights. Quoting from the booklet, Fly Smart, issued by the Canadian Transportation Agency, May 1997 Can a ticket be transferred to someone else? No. Airline tickets are not transferable. The purchase of a ticket is a contract between the airline or tour operator and the person named on the ticket. Airlines reserve the right to ask for identification prior to boarding and can refuse to allow you to board if you have a ticket that was issued to someone else. In addition, the airline may not be held liable for irregularities (e.g. lost luggage, personal injury) if you do use a ticket belonging to someone else. This document is on the CTA website: http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca In June, I flew between Ottawa and Toronto with Canadian (as an add-on to a transatlantic charter) and had the traditional three part ticket and there was no reference to any ID check. However over Labour Day, I took advantage of Canadian’s web special. (http://www.cdnair.ca). When I called and booked, I was told I had 24 hours to pay, which I did at the downtown ticket office. I don’t know why they didn’t ask for my credit card on the phone. At the ticket office they gave me a Passenger Ticket and Baggage Check on which was printed **Not valid for travel** Electronic tkt nbr 5551212 and on the boarding pass stub was printed: Please note you will be required to present a photo id at airport checkin. However in fact, I was not asked for photo id in either direction. I presented the electronic ticket at the checkin desk and was issued boarding passes in each direction just as I would have done with a traditional ticket. I thought the electronic ticket was supposed to simplify the paperwork but this seemed much the same. So it may be that Canadian will start asking for photo id as part of the electronic ticketing process. The flight to Toronto was great, only 12 pax on an F28 and two friendly flight attendants. Returning we were an hour late since this ’shuttle’ flight, B737, actually came from Winnipeg and was late arriving. —
Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Details: Airline: Canadian Airlines Itinerary: Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146)
How do you deal with the fact that airlines now want you to show a piece of photo ID to prove you really are the person whose name appears on the ticket? S. Gallagher
says… Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Details: Airline: Canadian Airlines Itinerary: Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146)
Nice idea, but even on domestic routes, airlines require ID before issuing a boarding pass.
says… Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146) Nice idea, but even on domestic routes, airlines require ID before issuing a boarding pass.
Maybe in some countries you have to show ID to travel domestically, but not in Canada.
Return portion of round-trip air-line ticket. Details: Airline: Canadian Airlines Itinerary: Flight 998 Lv Toronto 6:55 AM Ar Halifax 9:50 AM (Airbus) Flight 1482 Lv Halifax 10:30 AM Ar St.John’s,NFLD 12:35 PM (BA146)
with 13 quintillion Indian people looking for work…. why would anyone in Inda hire an American to pick crops?
If you’ve got *good* English qualifications try the big banks, legal and accounting firms who often have English speakers on staff to vet their outgoing mail for obvious bloopers
Joseph: The time-honored feed-your-face thing to do in Asia is teaching English — a real calling which can make a big difference in people’s lives, make you feel good and immerse you right in the culture since you have to to be a good teacher. You’ll be teaching conversation — and making plenty yourself! Since it’s quite a field over there, teaching EFL in the Far East is the subject of several books, some on Japan, some on the region more generally and one allegedly coming out in June dealing with SE Asia specifically. Beyond this there’s a website: www.eslcafe.com, which spreads the latest gosip all around. You should sign on right away. You’ll need training if you haven’t ever studied linguistics or a foreign language, and for that there are a number of (fairly expensive) four week courses in the UK, the US and elsewhere. Beyond that you could easily do a Masters degree in TESOL or applied ling. There are a lot of options. You should know, though, that it’s no cakewalk. Rather than get into it here, I’ll simply send you toward that website: www.eslcafe.com so you can see for yourself. That site even has some of my opinions on it; I’m the same "Ben Bangs" whose first initial stands for William. Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey. I will be doing some living and traveling in India and southeast Asia in a couple of months. I will be overseas for a long time, perhaps even a couple of years, and I would like to find means to support myself while there. Can anyone offer me suggestions on how to make a living as an American in India and southeast Asia? I’ve heard ambiguous mention of crop-picking jobs, but I’d like as much info as I can get about all potential occupations…all help is appreciated. Thanks! —
Teach English. Its fun and you meet lots of young people. Ther are several books on the subject. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey. I will be doing some living and traveling in India and southeast Asia in a couple of months. I will be overseas for a long time, perhaps even a couple of years, and I would like to find means to support myself while there. Can anyone offer me suggestions on how to make a living as an American in India and southeast Asia? I’ve heard ambiguous mention of crop-picking jobs, but I’d like as much info as I can get about all potential occupations…all help is appreciated. Thanks! —
I agree about teaching. I spent a year in SE Asia – teaching English in Bangkok to earn money for short trips to the surrounding area, this also gave me the opportunity to live in Bangkok and experience it as a resident rather than just passing through. You can earn a lot of money in Japan and Korea- but personally, Bangkok is much more appealing as a city. There are also opportunities to work in the media – Bangkok has more English language dailies than any other city in the world – and one of the smallest ex-pat communities – new magazines are springing up all the time – you could start up re-writing and move on to writing articles – opportunities also in TV and radio…..DJ-ing etc
Hey. I will be doing some living and traveling in India and southeast Asia in a couple of months. I will be overseas for a long time, perhaps even a couple of years, and I would like to find means to support myself while there. Can anyone offer me suggestions on how to make a living as an American in India and southeast Asia? I’ve heard ambiguous mention of crop-picking jobs, but I’d like as much info as I can get about all potential occupations…all help is appreciated. Thanks! —
[soc.culture.indian removed from newsgroup line] I have heard that in Asia there is a large demand for English teachers. If you have experience in teaching, or a certificate from an ESL program, it’s easy; in some places, though, all you need is a college degree (in any field). Another thing you might consider, if you are at all talented as a writer or photographer, is to try selling articles to US-based magazines.
Oh gawd…..not this urban legend again! Carol http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/3729/carol.htm (Shameless plug…..MAJOR changes to web page!
Thats really a touching story but WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH WU-TANG? Irresponsible cross-posting should be punishable by having to have this bitch tell you her cookie story over and over in a locked room over a PA system. fuck! —
This post is a lie. I’ve seen this stupid letter when it was being xeroxed all over the place, at least 12 years ago. How old was Mariah Carey back then? The recipe’s pretty good, but the incident never happened to ANYONE. Call Neiman-Marcus and ask them.
What an amazing story! I was totally blown away! I didn’t know Mariah Carey even had a daughter! The cookies are ok, but I will cook ‘em longer next time ‘cuz I like ‘em crunchie. — Jerry Ness Fluke Corporation / P.O. Box C9090 / Everett WA 98206 uucp: microsoft!fluke!ness or sun!fluke!ness
What an amazing story! I was totally blown away! I didn’t know Mariah Carey even had a daughter! The cookies are ok, but I will cook ‘em longer next time ‘cuz I like ‘em crunchie. — Jerry Ness Fluke Corporation / P.O. Box C9090 / Everett WA 98206 uucp: microsoft!fluke!ness or sun!fluke!ness
sooooooooo whhhhaaatttttttt!!
This post is a lie. I’ve seen this stupid letter when it was being xeroxed all over the place, at least 12 years ago. How old was Mariah Carey back then? The recipe’s pretty good, but the incident never happened to ANYONE. Call Neiman-Marcus and ask them.
Yeah, years ago it was perpetuated as the Mrs. Fields cookie recipe incident. Same untrue urban legend, different medium and store.
Pomegranate mumbled something really cool: :You know a story is truely false, when it makes it’s way onto :"how internet savvy are you" purity tests. And yes, this one has made the :cut! : Where can I find this test? <G Carol http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/3729/carol.htm (Shameless plug…..MAJOR changes to web page!
You guys all probably know this is a hoax by now. There have been many www pages dedicated to it. Here are some fun ones. This one explains the hoax: http://www.qrc.com/~sholubek/choco/faq/faqpart2.htm Here is a translation of the recipe: http://www.hh.se/stud/e94tm/RECEPT/R005.SE.html For more fun, check out Neiman Marcus’ own page concerning the cookies: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/cookie.htm You know a story is truely false, when it makes it’s way onto "how internet savvy are you" purity tests. And yes, this one has made the cut! Have fun. I’ve heard the cookies are tasty. I’ve never made them though. SallyThurer| PomegranateProductions| igetsoimpatient.icantstandthewait.whenwilligetmycuddle?|
Brad mumbled something really cool: :My god… those are the biggest ripoffs I’ve ever seen. I could go to :my local Wall and get CDs cheaper than fuckin 15 bucks. : Beatles – Anthology Collector’s Set (8 VHS tapes): SRP $199.99 I agree. Our local Target store has this in their ad today for $100. <G Carol http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/3729/
Send this to the world. Author: Mariah Carey at 1HR2 My daughter and I had just finished a salad at Neiman-Marcus Cafe in Dallas and decided to have a small dessert. Because both of us are such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "Neiman-Marcus Cookie". It was so excellent that I asked if they would give me the receipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "I’m afraid not". Well, I said, "Would you let me buy the receipe?" With a cute smile, she said, "Yes!" I asked how much and she responded, "Only two fifty, it’s a great deal!" I said with approval, just add it to my tab. Thirty days later, I receive my VISA statement from Neiman-Marcus and it was $285.00. I looked again and I remembered I had only spent $9.95 for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf. As I glanced at the bottom of the statement, it said "Cookie Recipe – $250.00". That’s outrageous!! I called Neiman’s Accounting Department and told them the waitress said that it was "two fifty" which clearly does not mean "two hundred and fifty dollars" by any possible interpretation of the phrase. Neiman-Marcus refused to budge. They would not refund my money because, according to them, "What the waitress told you is not our problem. You had already seen the recipe – we absolutely will not refund your money at this point". I explained to her the criminal statutes which govern fraud in Texas, I threatened to refer them to the Better Business Bureau and the State’s Attorney General for engaging in fraud. I was basically told, "Do what you want, we don’t give a crap and we are not refunding your money". I waited, thinking of how I could get even or even try and get any of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks got my $250, and now I’m going to have $250 worth of fun". I told her that I was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United States with an e-mail account has a $250 cookie recipe from Neiman-Marcus… for free. She replied, "I wish you wouldn’t do this". I said, "Well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me off", and slammed down the phone on her. So here it is! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this … I don’t want Neiman-Marcus to EVER get another penny off of this recipe… $250 Cookie Recipe 1 cup Butter 2 cups Flour 1 tsp Baking Soda 1 cup Sugar 2 1/2 cups Blended Oatmeal * 12 oz Chocolate Chips 1 cup Brown Sugar 1/2 tsp. Salt 4 oz Hershey Bar (Grated) 2 Eggs 1 tsp Baking Powder 1 1/2 cups Chopped Nuts (optional) 1 tsp Vanilla * Blend oatmeal in a blender to a fine powder Cream butter and both sugars. Add eggs and vanilla. Mix flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder and baking soda in another mixing bowl. Add dry mixture to butter mixture. Add chocolate chips, grated Hershey bar and nuts. Roll into balls and place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees. Makes 50 cookies.
My god… those are the biggest ripoffs I’ve ever seen. I could go to my local Wall and get CDs cheaper than fuckin 15 bucks.
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My god… those are the biggest ripoffs I’ve ever seen. I could go to my local Wall and get CDs cheaper than fuckin 15 bucks.