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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Indeed… I heard the same kind of story from Qantas ground staff in Perth last week. Does "Ben" work for Quantas by any chance??? It seems that someone has being going to great lengths to spread rumours about VB according to the Australian today. Despite audited figures suggesting they actually made a profit, there still are persisting rumours about its imminent demise. I don’t work for any airline – and I fly my own plane whenever I can rather than use RPT, so I have other prejudices. I distrust much of the postings on the net – provide some evidence. Mick Muller ( And I always thought VB was my favourite drink anyway). Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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doesnt it point more to a liquidity problem at AN? getting your debts paid more promptly has helped many an organisation out of a difficult spot. I’d suspect this to be more the case.  Ansett have their own problems without extending credit to a competitor. Tight credit & quick cashflow are good for business survival.

Yep. More likely it is simply an accounting issue,

Fraid not, its still hemorraghing money. The receivers get a piece of the revenue they generate.

Bulllshit. Otherwise the receivable is part of the AN asset, and probably goes to Fox-Lew instead of the other creditors.

More bullshit. You aint gotta fucking clue, as always. Obviously it is Arthur Andersen’s AND the ANsett creditors best interests to make sure VB pays before Ansett changes hands.

Pathetic really.

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Indeed… I heard the same kind of story from Qantas ground staff in Perth last week. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does "Ben" work for Quantas by any chance??? It seems that someone has being going to great lengths to spread rumours about VB according to the Australian today. Despite audited figures suggesting they actually made a profit, there still are persisting rumours about its imminent demise. I don’t work for any airline – and I fly my own plane whenever I can rather than use RPT, so I have other prejudices. I distrust much of the postings on the net – provide some evidence. Mick Muller ( And I always thought VB was my favourite drink anyway). Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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I didn’t mean to cause too much angst.

That aint angst, wanker. I have 2 friends

Liar. who work with Virgin

Liar. and I also know someone in Qantas.

Liar. I was relaying what I had been told by Virgin workers

Liar. and I just wondered if anyone could substantiate the rumours.

Liar.

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I work at AN engineering. The directive was passed onto me. Thanks.

doesnt it point more to a liquidity problem at AN? getting your debts paid more promptly has helped many an organisation out of a difficult spot.

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doesnt it point more to a liquidity problem at AN? getting your debts paid more promptly has helped many an organisation out of a difficult spot.

I’d suspect this to be more the case.  Ansett have their own problems without extending credit to a competitor.  Tight credit & quick cashflow are good for business survival.

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doesnt it point more to a liquidity problem at AN? getting your debts paid more promptly has helped many an organisation out of a difficult spot. I’d suspect this to be more the case.  Ansett have their own problems without extending credit to a competitor.  Tight credit & quick cashflow are good for business survival.

More likely it is simply an accounting issue, The receivers get a piece of the revenue they generate. Otherwise the receivable is part of the AN asset, and probably goes to Fox-Lew instead of the other creditors. Obviously it is Arthur Andersen’s AND the ANsett creditors best interests to make sure VB pays before Ansett changes hands.

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VIRGIN BLUE PRESS RELEASE 04/01/02 ….. 4th January 2002 Virgin Blue Confirms Record Half Year Profit of $8.2M Virgin Blue confirmed today, following completion of signed audited accounts, profit before tax of $8.2M for the 6 month period ended 30 September 2001. This exceptional result was earned during a period that commenced with fierce competition in a four-airline market and ended with the demise of Ansett and saw the departure of Impulse as an independent operator. These results build on a $0.5M trading profit before tax for the first seven months of operation ended 30 March 2001. Furthermore, draft unaudited accounts reflect a third quarter (October – December) profit in excess of first half earnings. Virgin Blue Head of Finance, Manny Gill says, "Management considers this to be an incredibly strong result given the pace of growth over the past six months that have seen the airline fleet expand from six to seventeen aircraft and staff number increase from 600 to over 1500. "This confirms our position as Australia’s Number 2 airline and it’s only true low fare carrier, and places the company in a strong financial position to meet any future challenges head on", Manny Gill concluded.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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        It’s obvious Ben knows nobody working for VB, if he              did, they would have informed him that the airline              is firing on all cylinders, to go from 6 aircraft 12mths              ago to 17 at present represents an 180% increase              in operations, not to mention the only airline to make              a profit in its 1st year, when originally Branson was              expecting to take 3yrs to break into the black,              Wirraway – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Virgin Blue are NOT paying cash for fuel or any other services. VB’s "no show" rate is minimal so puts that stupid QF seat buying rumour to rest ….. I welcome QF to buy Virgin Blue seats though, its all money and on VB you must pay upfront for your ticket, if you don’t fly you loose your money. Unlike QF’s full fare tickets that you can reserve and pay for at the airport by which time it is far to late for QF to resell the tickets. VB’s ontime performance is some where in the 90%’s on IATA standards (departure within 15mins of sched time) and in the 70-80%’s for actual to the minute on time departures. Ben what do you mean when you say "VB are no longer doing loads" ….. virgin blue did not have time for a party when Ansett collapsed staff resources were running thin on the ground as SYD staff had to make a run for the capital and keep the Canberra operation going. BNE staff had to keep Townsville and Coolangatta going so you can see there was no time for a party! I think VB was actually sad if anything to see ansett go as AN used to help quite a bit with ground handling in the above mentioned ports ground/engineering spares when needed and were much more hospitable then QF. People can decide for them selves, however I think people can tell the difference between the truth and a malicious rumour ……. posts profit?? P. Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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I didn’t mean to cause too much angst. I have 2 friends who work with Virgin and I also know someone in Qantas. I was relaying what I had been told by Virgin workers and I just wondered if anyone could substantiate the rumours.

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Yeah no wonder Ansett is asking for up fron CASH … they (Ansett) are the ones still in trouble bleeding approx. 1M per week ….. Ansett is the one desperarte for cold hard cash, Virgin are loaded – posting an 8.5M 6 month audited profit.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I can confirm is that as of last Friday Ansett’s Admin’s have requested up front payments for the use of AN engineering facilities and tooling. Rmm Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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Virgin Blue are NOT paying cash for fuel or any other services. VB’s "no show" rate is minimal so puts that stupid QF seat buying rumour to rest ….. I welcome QF to buy Virgin Blue seats though, its all money and on VB you must pay upfront for your ticket, if you don’t fly you loose your money. Unlike QF’s full fare tickets that you can reserve and pay for at the airport by which time it is far to late for QF to resell the tickets. VB’s ontime performance is some where in the 90%’s on IATA standards (departure within 15mins of sched time) and in the 70-80%’s for actual to the minute on time departures. Ben what do you mean when you say "VB are no longer doing loads" ….. virgin blue did not have time for a party when Ansett collapsed staff resources were running thin on the ground as SYD staff had to make a run for the capital and keep the Canberra operation going. BNE staff had to keep Townsville and Coolangatta going so you can see there was no time for a party! I think VB was actually sad if anything to see ansett go as AN used to help quite a bit with ground handling in the above mentioned ports ground/engineering spares when needed and were much more hospitable then QF. People can decide for them selves, however I think people can tell the difference between the truth and a malicious rumour ……. posts profit?? P.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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I’ve heard "Ben" beats his wife and has a nasty cocain habit. I’ve also heard he is also an alcoholic.  Can anyone confirm?

All true. Kicks the dog too. Virgin just announced a better-than-expected profit for the 6 month to Dec, so I doubt any of "Ben"’s innuendo has the slightest basis in truth. Gaaaaawd its a bugger on an industry  . But with the grand scheme of Fox and his mate   wanting to get one over TNT Toll group  its going to get pretty gloves off . watch the rail and shipping  industry rags  may be a good survival trait for Ansett employees. Bottom line is though with 3 players carving up what the market is in these times something has to give in about 18 months unless drastic growth in market ( which from real world indicators I cant see ) Maybe lots of bums on seats  but no fat in the yields. Any one else getting this Deja vue  feeling ( is that a tautology or not ??)

Nope.

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I work at AN engineering. The directive was passed onto me.

Thanks.

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[Crap snipped] I’ve heard "Ben" beats his wife and has a nasty cocain habit.  I’ve also heard he is also an alcoholic.  Can anyone confirm? Virgin just announced a better-than-expected profit for the 6 month to Dec, so I doubt any of "Ben"’s innuendo has the slightest basis in truth.

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why would qantas wana spend money on buying seat on VG and no one turns up? thats a waste of money

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[Crap snipped] I’ve heard "Ben" beats his wife and has a nasty cocain habit.  I’ve also heard he is also an alcoholic.  Can anyone confirm? Virgin just announced a better-than-expected profit for the 6 month to Dec, so I doubt any of "Ben"’s innuendo has the slightest basis in truth.

Gaaaaawd its a bugger on an industry  . But with the grand scheme of Fox and his mate   wanting to get one over TNT Toll group  its going to get pretty gloves off . watch the rail and shipping  industry rags  may be a good survival trait for Ansett employees. Bottom line is though with 3 players carving up what the market is in these times something has to give in about 18 months unless drastic growth in market ( which from real world indicators I cant see ) Maybe lots of bums on seats  but no fat in the yields. Any one else getting this Deja vue  feeling ( is that a tautology or not ??) — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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What I can confirm is that as of last Friday Ansett’s Admin’s have requested up front payments for the use of AN engineering facilities and tooling. Rmm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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What I can confirm is that as of last Friday Ansett’s Admin’s have requested up front payments for the use of AN engineering facilities and tooling.

Pardon me for asking the obvious, but how are you in a position to confirm this?

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I work at AN engineering. The directive was passed onto me. All such requests from DJ are to go thru the duty manager, only once he has given approval can we lease out the equipment. In the past DJ completed an equipment lease form and this was approved by the local EIC. It never went as high as the duty manager in the past. Rmm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What I can confirm is that as of last Friday Ansett’s Admin’s have requested up front payments for the use of AN engineering facilities and tooling. Pardon me for asking the obvious, but how are you in a position to confirm this?

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Ben Your proof positive that the industry has not changed for the better . its rumour character assasination and innuendo . The ghost seating/booking thing appears to have some evidence though. AN11 will of course play hard ball with a competitor. Don’t sweat it Ben . But its a lot tighter for virgin now than this time last year. The fuel thing  may be many reasons for that  considering how much burn the companies took on ansett. Credit dept’s get twitchy at this  time of year when index blows out . — You Can get to the weekly pics page from here http://www.angelfire.com/ab3/caption/link.html http://cleaver.freeyellow.com/sad.html

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Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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Does "Ben" work for Quantas by any chance??? It seems that someone has being going to great lengths to spread rumours about VB according to the Australian today. Despite audited figures suggesting they actually made a profit, there still are persisting rumours about its imminent demise. I don’t work for any airline – and I fly my own plane whenever I can rather than use RPT, so I have other prejudices. I distrust much of the postings on the net – provide some evidence. Mick Muller ( And I always thought VB was my favourite drink anyway).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone confirm that Virgin have been paying upfront for fuel the last month and that they also owe the airports money and have been given 60days to pay? Other things I have heard is that QF have been buying many of their cheap seats with bogus names so that their on time performance is affected. I have also heard that they are no longe doing loads because CASA does not check this. Can anyone confirm these problems that Virgin are facing? I have been told this by senior Virgin ground crew in both MEL and BNE. I have been told a few other things, but nothing as substantial as the above. Apparently VB had a party when AN collapsed…. I wonder what ANII will do when Virgin bited the dust???

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I use MYOB for accounting in my (very) small business. Normally I enter depreciation by crediting the appropriate accumulated depreciation (asset) account, and debiting a depreciation expense account. I’ve discovered that last year I neglected to enter the purchases I took as expenses under section 179. Since I’ve closed the fiscal year, what do I do now? I need to credit the appropriate accumulated depreciation expense account to reflect the correct amount, but what do I debit? I can’t debit my depreciation expense account, since that would end up in the wrong year. BTW, this error was not present in my tax return – it was taken into account there. I just forgot to enter in my program. Thanks in advance for help. — Mark R please remove clothes to respond by email

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you would credit the accum dep and debit the retained earning (corp) or the capital a/c (partnership) if you had entered this last year the closing would have put the expense in retained earning or capital if you are keeping your own books but use an accountant for the tax work ask the accountant for the closing entries so you can adjust the books charlie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use MYOB for accounting in my (very) small business. Normally I enter depreciation by crediting the appropriate accumulated depreciation (asset) account, and debiting a depreciation expense account. I’ve discovered that last year I neglected to enter the purchases I took as expenses under section 179. Since I’ve closed the fiscal year, what do I do now? I need to credit the appropriate accumulated depreciation expense account to reflect the correct amount, but what do I debit? I can’t debit my depreciation expense account, since that would end up in the wrong year. BTW, this error was not present in my tax return – it was taken into account there. I just forgot to enter in my program. Thanks in advance for help. — Mark R please remove clothes to respond by email

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I recently found this forum through a web search.  I realize that I am way out of my league here, but thought perhaps you could help me.  We own a small family business.  We have no receivables, no payables, no liabilities to be tracked with the exception of payroll.  I am in desperate need of new bookkeeping (not accounting) software.  I have been using Quicken since DOS versions, in combination with QuickPay, and it worked well for me.  Now with the advent of QuickPayroll, and the mandatory online subscription service, I find myself in a bind, since I refuse to put my business computer online.  I thought perhaps an easy solution would be to use QuickBooks (my accountant shared the new tax tables with me).  Not so simple!  QB has WAY too many features, that get in the way of the very BASIC work I need to do.  All I really need is a simple checkwriting program with category sorting functions and payroll that integrates with the ledger (QB’s is a separate function, requiring payroll checks to be printed separately from other checks).  Can anyone suggest anything??  I am so frustrated with QB that I am ready to go back to figuring payroll manually and use the simplest checkwriter I can find …….  My accountant is no help on this subject, just doesn’t know enough about the market.  Can anyone give me any suggestions? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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You may wish to look into DacEasy.  It is a pretty basic program and pretty affordable.  It will do the basics but if you require any advanced features it will not be suitable.  Look for them at www.daceasy.com HTH Don DonSign Regards, Donald A Haney, MBA Emergency Care Specialists, PC place." – Plato

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently found this forum through a web search.  I realize that I am way out of my league here, but thought perhaps you could help me.  We own a small family business.  We have no receivables, no payables, no liabilities to be tracked with the exception of payroll.  I am in desperate need of new bookkeeping (not accounting) software.  I have been using Quicken since DOS versions, in combination with QuickPay, and it worked well for me.  Now with the advent of QuickPayroll, and the mandatory online subscription service, I find myself in a bind, since I refuse to put my business computer online.  I thought perhaps an easy solution would be to use QuickBooks (my accountant shared the new tax tables with me).  Not so simple!  QB has WAY too many features, that get in the way of the very BASIC work I need to do.  All I really need is a simple checkwriting program with category sorting functions and payroll that integrates with the ledger (QB’s is a separate function, requiring payroll checks to be printed separately from other checks).  Can anyone suggest anything??  I am so frustrated with QB that I am ready to go back to figuring payroll manually and use the simplest checkwriter I can find …….  My accountant is no help on this subject, just doesn’t know enough about the market.  Can anyone give me any suggestions? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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You might check out One Write (it might be called One Write Plus).  The version I saw was very simple and didn’t have a lot of the features that a quickbooks or peachtree has.  It may have been upgraded since then, however, and might now be feature-rich. I think you’ll have trouble finding packaged software without a lot of extraneous features.  The software makers have to add features to satisfy the broadest range of customers and to justify their prices.  For what you do, an Excel spreadsheet or a series of linked spreadsheets might be the ticket. Dick K.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently found this forum through a web search.  I realize that I am way out of my league here, but thought perhaps you could help me.  We own a small family business.  We have no receivables, no payables, no liabilities to be tracked with the exception of payroll.  I am in desperate need of new bookkeeping (not accounting) software.  I have been using Quicken since DOS versions, in combination with QuickPay, and it worked well for me.  Now with the advent of QuickPayroll, and the mandatory online subscription service, I find myself in a bind, since I refuse to put my business computer online.  I thought perhaps an easy solution would be to use QuickBooks (my accountant shared the new tax tables with me).  Not so simple!  QB has WAY too many features, that get in the way of the very BASIC work I need to do.  All I really need is a simple checkwriting program with category sorting functions and payroll that integrates with the ledger (QB’s is a separate function, requiring payroll checks to be printed separately from other checks).  Can anyone suggest anything??  I am so frustrated with QB that I am ready to go back to figuring payroll manually and use the simplest checkwriter I can find …….  My accountant is no help on this subject, just doesn’t know enough about the market.  Can anyone give me any suggestions? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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You know, I really liked Quicken for my work.  Even Quicken Basic did what I needed it to do, although I didn’t use any of the advanced features.  But I am so frustrated with Intuit (as so many others are!!) that I don’t really want to support them any longer.  Peachtree is definitely overkill, as is QB, which I am currently using and can’t live with.  I looked at One-Write (which is a Peachtree software), and couldn’t even find the check register on it, plus their payroll works about the same as QB, "integrated" but separate from regular checkwriting features.  I don’t think I want to do this on spreadsheet, since I really like writing checks on the computer. What I am using now is QB99, and have a copy of the current tax tables on disk.  Problem is that my payroll is not simple — I’m always holding money out of my employees’ checks for odd things that can’t be easily addressed in the QB payroll functions.  For example, my nephew got hold of the corporate VISA and charged his pager bill … now I’ve got to withhold that from his pay, but paying the VISA bill, it can’t be recorded as a liability for him.  Or we’ll buy rubber boots that the employees might buy from us — supplies for us (family members), but liability for the other men??  With the old QuickPay, I was able to modify the check after it was processed (before it was printed) to include these things, but can’t do that with QB. I doubt that outsourcing my payroll would help my situation.  Aside from my situation above, there is the fact that when the men want to be paid, I’m expected to drop everything and write the checks.  Ah, the joys of a family business!  So do I have any other software options, or do I go back to Quicken Basic (which I liked) and account for my payroll manually without the online tax tables? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently found this forum through a web search. I realize that I am way out of my league here, but thought perhaps you could help me. We own a small family business. We have no receivables, no payables, no liabilities to be tracked with the exception of payroll. I am in desperate need of new bookkeeping (not accounting) software. I have been using Quicken since DOS versions, in combination with QuickPay, and it worked well for me. Now with the advent of QuickPayroll, and the mandatory online subscription service, I find myself in a bind, since I refuse to put my business computer online. I thought perhaps an easy solution would be to use QuickBooks (my accountant shared the new tax tables with me). Not so simple! QB has WAY too many features, that get in the way of the very BASIC work I need to do. All I really need is a simple checkwriting program with category sorting functions and payroll that integrates with the ledger (QB’s is a separate function, requiring payroll checks to be printed separately from other checks). Can anyone suggest anything?? I am so frustrated with QB that I am ready to go back to figuring payroll manually and use the simplest checkwriter I can find ……. My accountant is no help on this subject, just doesn’t know enough about the market. Can anyone give me any suggestions?

Another option is Peachtree

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Why do CBRs typically come with a hematite bead?

most companies that sell good quality jewelry have stainless beads  with them and you shouldn’t have to pay more for them at a reputable studio. Mostly this is just a way for manufactures to save a buck and charge you for what they know most people want .

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Why do CBRs typically come with a hematite bead?

A hematite bead costs a few cents. There is no labor involved and they can be bought VERY inexpensively in bulk — they’re effectively free. Stainless steel beads are quite expensive in comparison, especially in the better grades. On top of that drilling and finishing them properly is labor intensive.         Shannon BME: Body Modification Ezine                 http://www.BME.FreeQ.com/

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Why do CBRs typically come with a hematite bead? A hematite bead costs a few cents. There is no labor involved and they can be bought VERY inexpensively in bulk — they’re effectively free. Stainless steel beads are quite expensive in comparison, especially in the better grades. On top of that drilling and finishing them properly is labor intensive.        Shannon

That’s what I assumed, but since Dr. Jefe’s gave me a steel bead instead for no extra charge I thought there might be another reason. Does anyone even *like* how hematite looks? I don’t think it  looks so hot next to SS. Or maybe I just dont like the look of the cheap jewelry that usually comes with a hematite bead. Or maybe i’m rambling. Anyway, thanks to everyone for their replies. melou "He thought they were the most beautiful birds in the world. Then he found they were only seagulls." -Maude To email remove squidpickles

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You’re entering a world of hurt, melou: Does anyone even *like* how hematite looks? I don’t think it  looks so

I was thinking as I read your first post, "Hey, I like hematite".  I actually prefer it over SSS; I like the way it breaks up the monotone of all silver and provides a nice contrast to the ring.  But that’s just me, and I usually find things attractive that make other people scratch their heads.  There’s just no accounting for taste. — After all, if there *was* an afterlife, Isaac Asimov would have written a book about it by now. – Stan

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Does anyone even *like* how hematite looks? I don’t think it  looks so hot next to SS. Or maybe I just dont like the look of the cheap jewelry that usually comes with a hematite bead. Or maybe i’m rambling.

Um…my "cheap" jewelry that came with a hematite bead is a rainbow niobium teardrop CBR, and frankly I think the hematite looks a heckuva lot better than SSS would….a little more matte, which looks better with the colors, I think.   I probably wouldn’t like the hematite ball as much if I had SSS, but since I don’t…. Anna L. Bunce

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Um…my "cheap" jewelry that came with a hematite bead is a rainbow niobium teardrop CBR, and frankly I think the hematite looks a heckuva lot better than SSS would….a little more matte, which looks better with the colors, I think.  I probably wouldn’t like the hematite ball as much if I had SSS, but since I don’t….

The only reason I said "cheap" was because the many responses to my query suggested that quality jewelry should come with an SS bead and that using hematite is typically a way to save money. Sorry if I offended you or something… BTW, I dont like hematite with SS because it seems incongrous, with niobium, etc.. it looks alright. melou It’s like in a Hitchcock movie, you know, where they tie you up in a rubber bag and throw you in the trunk of a car. You find people. -Corky To email remove squidpickles

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Q#1: Does fiber have some minor calorie content? Q#2: Then again,  :) it seems more probable that the 4/4/9 calories per gram for carb/protein/fat are *rounded* values. If you know correct values (to *two* digit precision), then would you please post the correct values.  :)

This is an unanswerable question. At two digit precision you get into territory where you have to know more about the composition of the carbohydrate than is usually known and almost certainly more than you are likely to be able to handle in terms of detail. That is not intended as an insult; it is just that so much affects the value that no one can keep track of it all. The caloric content of starch, for instance, is a function of the average molecular weight, the extent to which the body can hydrolyze it and so on and so forth. People seldom have access to that sort of information. (A few days ago I turned down a request from a client to do molecular weight distribution work on some polysaccharide products. Perhaps others are interested in knowing this sort of thing about food products, too.) Every now and again, I see a post that in order to get a correct carb count on a food portion:   One first subtracts the fiber from the total carbs.

In the US the labeling rules allow you to deduct the insoluble fiber but not the soluble fiber. the old rules allowed you to deduct the total dietary fiber. Plenty of people who do labeling work never actually learned the rules, so you see plenty of labels where the total dietary fiber has been deducted, i.e. labels where the caloric content is understated because of this. Incidentally, I have no opinion on whether the rules represent reality realistically, only on what the rules require. Now I know that the labeling here in the USA permits rounding. A wonderful example is that spray margarine with "zero" calories!   (HAH!   *NOT* bloody likely! )    :(  :(

To what precision do you want it? Do you want it to come with an error bar to reflect the precision of the manufacturing process, the likely precision with which you are likely to deliver the spray to a pan and whatever else affects the reliability of the number or do you just want an unrounded number which represents a statistical estimate to greater precision than is applicable? The rounding rules make sense. That they are also abused is another matter entirely. Perhaps the most accurate generic numbers are from Corinne Netzer’s 3rd Ed.’94 of "The Complete Book of Food Counts" (paperback $6.99 by Dell Publishing):

Don’t count on it. Fiber numbers are notoriously unreliable. There cannot be more than a very few hundred people in the world who can do a fiber measurement properly. (I’ve trained five or six of them.) Practically no commercial food lab can afford to have fiber measurements done by anyone good enough to do it really right. If you want to get a good handle on a fiber number you practically have to talk to the people who did the measurement and you have to know a lot about what affects the accuracy of a fiber measurement. – Shankar (one of those few hundred but I am not going to do another            damn fiber measurement just because I can)

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To: Shankar, Nice post, thank you.  I do have a few questions about your post that I’d appreciate your answering, thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Q#1: Does fiber have some minor calorie content? Q#2: Then again,  :) it seems more probable that the 4/4/9 calories per gram for carb/protein/fat are *rounded* values. If you know correct values (to *two* digit precision), then would you please post the correct values.  :) This is an unanswerable question. At two digit precision you get into territory where you have to know more about the composition of the carbohydrate than is usually known and almost certainly more than you are likely to be able to handle in terms of detail. That is not intended as an insult; it is just that so much affects the value that no one can keep track of it all. The caloric content of starch, for instance, is a function of the average molecular weight, the extent to which the body can hydrolyze it and so on and so forth. People seldom have access to that sort of information. (A few days ago I turned down a request from a client to do molecular weight distribution work on some polysaccharide products. Perhaps others are interested in knowing this sort of thing about food products, too.)

OK.  So I’ll continue to use 4 calories/gm for carbohydrate. Is 4 calories/gm for soluble fiber carbohydrate an appropriate value? Also, you didn’t make any reference to protein and fat. Can they be given to 2 digit precision? For example: 4.x calories/gm for protein.              9.x calories/gm for fat. If there are "accepted" two digit values for protein and fat, would you state what they are, thanks. And yes, I’m well aware that each person will differ from the "norm" in how well their body uses the calories from the food that they eat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Every now and again, I see a post that in order to get a correct carb count on a food portion:   One first subtracts the fiber from the total carbs. In the US the labeling rules allow you to deduct the insoluble fiber but not the soluble fiber. the old rules allowed you to deduct the total dietary fiber. Plenty of people who do labeling work never actually learned the rules, so you see plenty of labels where the total dietary fiber has been deducted, i.e. labels where the caloric content is understated because of this. Incidentally, I have no opinion on whether the rules represent reality realistically, only on what the rules require. Now I know that the labeling here in the USA permits rounding. A wonderful example is that spray margarine with "zero" calories!   (HAH!   *NOT* bloody likely! )    :(  :( To what precision do you want it? Do you want it to come with an error bar to reflect the precision of the manufacturing process, the likely precision with which you are likely to deliver the spray to a pan and whatever else affects the reliability of the number or do you just want an unrounded number which represents a statistical estimate to greater precision than is applicable? The rounding rules make sense. That they are also abused is another matter entirely. Perhaps the most accurate generic numbers are from Corinne Netzer’s 3rd Ed.’94 of "The Complete Book of Food Counts" (paperback $6.99 by Dell Publishing): Don’t count on it. Fiber numbers are notoriously unreliable. There cannot be more than a very few hundred people in the world who can do a fiber measurement properly. (I’ve trained five or six of them.) Practically no commercial food lab can afford to have fiber measurements done by anyone good enough to do it really right. If you want to get a good handle on a fiber number you practically have to talk to the people who did the measurement and you have to know a lot about what affects the accuracy of a fiber measurement. – Shankar (one of those few hundred but I am not going to do another           damn fiber measurement just because I can)

To: Shankar, Thank you for the response.  :)  :) Cheers,   Bill   Type 1 40 years —

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Q#1: Does fiber have some minor calorie content? Q#2: Then again,  :) it seems more probable that the 4/4/9 calories per gram for carb/protein/fat are *rounded* values. If you know correct values (to *two* digit precision), then would you please post the correct values.  :) OK, now that the scene is set, here are those grusome details that *everybody* just luvs: Every now and again, I see a post that in order to get a correct carb count on a food portion:    One first subtracts the fiber from the total carbs. —— But somehow those nasty calorie counts *still* don’t come out quite right.  :( I mean it’s bad enough that I (a type 1 diabetic) have got to count this stuff.  But when it doesn’t total up right I’m right in there with the accounting guys…  :( (i.e. over the edge and into the abyss…) Now I know that the labeling here in the USA permits rounding. A wonderful example is that spray margarine with "zero" calories!   (HAH!   *NOT* bloody likely! )    :(  :( *AND* of course fiber is not so "simple" as you might think. I mean, we have both "soluble" and "insoluble" fiber. Sometimes you’ll see this *USED* on a food label.  But only occasionally.  For expample, the Quaker Oats oatmeal label gives total fiber and then breaks it down into soluble fiber and insoluble fiber. But the question still stands: are there any *USABLE* calories at all in either type of fiber?? But let’s deal with one example I know of: i.e. wheat bran. Perhaps the most accurate generic numbers are from Corinne Netzer’s 3rd Ed.’94 of "The Complete Book of Food Counts" (paperback $6.99 by Dell Publishing):                     Calorie Tot-Carb Protein   Fat    Fiber                                 gm     gm      gm      gm    1.0 oz wheat bran   61      18.3    4.4     1.2    12.1 Some basics first: calories/1.0 gm of: carbohydrate= 4 calories calories/1.0 gm of: protein     = 4 calories calories/1.0 gm of: fat         = 9 calories So, for 1.0 oz of wheat bran, the effective carb count is 6.2. Therefore when I multiply it out I get total calories for 1.0 oz should be 53 calories.  Which is 8 calories less than what the Netzer book gives. One possible conclusion is that there may be about .7 calories per gm of dietary fiber????? ——- TIA,   Bill — "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things:" …                Lewis Carroll —

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I’m glad that you guys all said that, how people are reluctant to comment on weight loss for the right reasons, because I’ve lost 23 pounds and not had a single person say anything (except a few family members who know I’ve been trying).  I hope that people are noticing and they’re just too polite to bring up the issue.

I think you’re right about that.  I’ve had a couple people make positive comments *after* I brought up that I was on a special diet and/or that I was losing weight.  They clearly noticed but didn’t want to say anything. Cyndi 160/151/135 — 9 down, 16 to go Low-carb vegetarian + seafood since 7/28/98 "There’s nothing wrong with me.  Maybe there’s                     Cyndi Norman                          Owner of the Immune Lists: http://www.best.com/~immune

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: THEN she went on to say "i was so worried about you because you were : putting on some weight before and it looked like it was getting out of : control" etc. etc.  i didn’t even see it coming.  yes, i know i was : getting big before.  but never did i get over 170 pounds.  what makes me : the most pissed is i was so happy from her earlier comment, i couldn’t : even think of a bitchy retort. This may not work for everyone, but this is how I’ve reacted in situations like this:   I look at the person and say, "Why were you so worried?  I hardly know you, so why would you care so much?  I never even think about you unless I bump into you, so how did I become sooooooo important to you?  What is missing from your life that you need to place so much importance on me? Maybe you should get some help for that." Myra – not always the nicest person in the room <g Please direct e-mail to "myra [at] primenet [dot] com"

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Basically, if you tell someone they look good because they lost weight, you are telling them they looked bad when they were fat.  It would be far better

The best suggestion I have heard, if you must say something, is to just tell them they’re looking good!  Then they can think you are saying they look healthy, which can be encouraging if you’re ill, or they can think you noticed their weight loss but you still thought they looked good before, or you like their clothes, or whatever. rainy 248/248/200-180-148-? since 11/17/98

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Slightly off opic, but worth mentioning:   You can’t help what other people say. My family knows this lady who was a client of my dad’s for years.    My dad was a tax accountant. He was brilliant at what he did. He was very ill and could not work the last couple of months of his life. We managed to find a replacement, but later found out that the gentleman was not a  worthy advirsary to continue doing business with.  Anyway, shortly after my dad’s passing this lady had to have something done in regards to her taxes, and the replacement took care of it. As she was leaving, she had the nerve to tell my mom that the replacement was absolutely amazing and that my dad was nowhere near as good as this gentleman was.    Don’t get me wrong, I feel that everyone has a right to thier opinion, but what did this woman need to sayall of that for?  Wouldn’t it have sufficed to mention to my mom that she thought that we had found a really good replacement? Why did she have to add how much better then my dad she thought he was, to my mom, who had lost her husband MAYBE 3 months earlier????? Anyway…..we always looked forward to the day she would no longer be a client..and it has come. Trexa 352/342/180? As of October 21, 1998 No Spam= Remove "Carbs"

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the days of people being aware of "proper manners" has long gone, i in this house, i have always taught them to my children, something’s, they think are strange, but they are polite, gracious, and wonderful kids! Low carb? Low calorie? Low fat? Low glycemic? 50yr/female/5′10"/wearing size 14 jeans! I am learning HOW to eat, WHAT to eat, and WHY I eat! EATING IS NOT AN EVENT ! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html ATKINS-BERSTEIN-HELLER-GITTLEMAN-DESMAISONS-EADES-ARNOT STEWARD-BETHEA-ANDREWS-BARART-EZRIN-KOWALSKI Read and Post, everyday! Rosie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Slightly off opic, but worth mentioning:  You can’t help what other people say. My family knows this lady who was a client of my dad’s for years.   My dad was a tax accountant. He was brilliant at what he did. He was very ill and could not work the last couple of months of his life. We managed to find a replacement, but later found out that the gentleman was not a worthy advirsary to continue doing business with. Anyway, shortly after my dad’s passing this lady had to have something done in regards to her taxes, and the replacement took care of it. As she was leaving, she had the nerve to tell my mom that the replacement was absolutely amazing and that my dad was nowhere near as good as this gentleman was.   Don’t get me wrong, I feel that everyone has a right to thier opinion, but what did this woman need to sayall of that for? Wouldn’t it have sufficed to mention to my mom that she thought that we had found a really good replacement? Why did she have to add how much better then my dad she thought he was, to my mom, who had lost her husband MAYBE 3 months earlier????? Anyway…..we always looked forward to the day she would no longer be a client..and it has come. Trexa 352/342/180? As of October 21, 1998 No Spam= Remove "Carbs"

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Oh Rosie I love it. People who talk like that about their kids are "A one" in my book. Because I reckon kids are the heart of life. Well my parents never thought *I* was great and I knew how stink that felt, so I made sure I just loved my kids to the hilt.  Result …. kids 27, 29, 31 who think I am the greatest mum alive, and the feelings between us give me joy. Go Rosie!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the days of people being aware of "proper manners" has long gone, i in this house, i have always taught them to my children, something’s, they think are strange, but they are polite, gracious, and wonderful kids! Low carb? Low calorie? Low fat? Low glycemic? 50yr/female/5′10"/wearing size 14 jeans! I am learning HOW to eat, WHAT to eat, and WHY I eat! EATING IS NOT AN EVENT ! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html ATKINS-BERSTEIN-HELLER-GITTLEMAN-DESMAISONS-EADES-ARNOT STEWARD-BETHEA-ANDREWS-BARART-EZRIN-KOWALSKI Read and Post, everyday! Rosie Slightly off opic, but worth mentioning:  You can’t help what other people say. My family knows this lady who was a client of my dad’s for years.   My dad was a tax accountant. He was brilliant at what he did. He was very ill and could not work the last couple of months of his life. We managed to find a replacement, but later found out that the gentleman was not a worthy advirsary to continue doing business with. Anyway, shortly after my dad’s passing this lady had to have something done in regards to her taxes, and the replacement took care of it. As she was leaving, she had the nerve to tell my mom that the replacement was absolutely amazing and that my dad was nowhere near as good as this gentleman was.   Don’t get me wrong, I feel that everyone has a right to thier opinion, but what did this woman need to sayall of that for? Wouldn’t it have sufficed to mention to my mom that she thought that we had found a really good replacement? Why did she have to add how much better then my dad she thought he was, to my mom, who had lost her husband MAYBE 3 months earlier????? Anyway…..we always looked forward to the day she would no longer be a client..and it has come. Trexa 352/342/180? As of October 21, 1998 No Spam= Remove "Carbs"

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perhaps it is just not the teachings you seek strange and varied are the gifts of the goddess Who says reality is physical? To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube. Put the cube on a mirror, supposed reality can be changed if you just think about it. –And if a single point is used to place the cube on the mirror, rather than a plane, it is possible to attain a position whereby you can peruse all planes of the cube, either in plain sight or via reflection. If you are allowed to spin the cube you do not even need the mirror. Give me that mirror and cube. This is not the teachings you impostures!

Life is a celebration! Join in the dance  :-} wampus

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Give me that mirror and cube. This is not the teachings you impostures! —   INTERDUM DRACO VINCIT

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Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.  To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can change our point of view and by Adding the first seen aspect of the cube to what we see form a different point of view we can make the assumption of what the whole cube would like like if we could see the whole thing. The irony is that even within our own mind we can not create an image that is greater the the three sides of the cube we can see at any given time. Our reality as well as our thoughts are bound by the limitations of this 3D reality.  This becomes more complicated when one of the dimensions we see or don’t see is incorrectly interpreted. Since the reality we live in has more then just the 3D that we can see we have come to rely on what we believe to be true more then what we know to be true. A case in point can be easily understood if we look at the very pillars that support our reality. Science and society are the foundations of what we believe.  We are told from birth to death that what these two things, science and society are the keeps of knowledge and truth yet they have no  greater ability to see this reality then we do.  They often have a view point that is less objective then we have but we tend to subjugate what we see and believe to the will of what they want us to believe.  Science has made many errors as has society but they remain steadfast in their belief that they are the infallible source that we should accept.  One issue that is going to erupted soon that will demonstrate just how lacking these two are involves science. For a long time we have been taught that the speed of light is a constant that is the standard for measurement in much of science.  Now as we expand our understanding of the cosmos we find that this many not be as constant as we thought.  Consider the statement of science that light can not escape a black hole.  If this is the case then light does not travel at a constant speed.  If light can and is effected by gravity then it is effected by all of gravity not just the extremes of the gravity within a black hole.  The theory that time and space are flexible and that as the fabric of time and space are stretched and distorted by gravity and thus causing light to travel further and in so doing accounting for the small variations in time still can not justify the actions of light in are around a black hole.  It would seem obvious that the physical laws we have chosen to accept concerning light may not always be true.  If that is the case then the whole of what we know will once again have to be examined to determine how much of what we accept as true will need to be revamped to accommodate the actions of light around a black hole. With in society the same process is always being applied.  For example here in the United States we assumed that the success of easter style management techniques is what  cause the demise and fall of our control of major markets.  We went so far as to attempted to incorporate the management styles of the easter world like Japan into our industries. Now we see that while that style generated success that it also was no sustainable.  The control by the eastern style managed companies is now is disarray and  Japanese economy is at the brink of disaster. Society defined success and it defined the management style it felt could achieve success but as usual society saw only a small part of what the true reality was.  Both society and science continue to make judgment errors and we have to adjust.  We as individuals make the same kind of errors and chose to ignore them until they create a crisis we can no longer ignore.  We allow our lives to fall in to a deep pit before we are willing to stop and re-evaluated what we are and what we believe. How much of what you are and what you believe is valid based on the reality you see? Got no clue?  Then you are not in control of your life or the path you are walking. — Please take a moment to visit the web pages devoted to earth friendly beliefs and some of the things written by A. Nonperson. Visit http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/6891/anon/anon.htm

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To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube. Put the cube on a mirror, supposed reality can be changed if you just think about it. —

And if a single point is used to plce the cube on the mirror, rather than a plane, it is possible to attain a position whereby you can peruse all planes of the cube, either in plain sight or via reflection. If you are allowed to spin the cube you do not even need the mirror. Terry

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To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.

Put the cube on a mirror, supposed reality can be changed if you just think about it. — NOTICE:  This e-mail address is being spoofed on USENET.  Obvious trolls and needlessly incendiary remarks should be ignored.  All authentic messages from this address will bear this disclaimer, although spoofed messages may as well. The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.

Who says reality is physical? To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can change our point of view and by Adding the first seen aspect of the cube to what we see form a different point of view we can make the assumption of what the whole cube would like like if we could see the whole thing. The irony is that even within our own mind we can not create an image that is greater the the three sides of the cube we can see at any given time. Our reality as well as our thoughts are bound by the limitations of this 3D reality.  This becomes more complicated when one of the dimensions we see or don’t see is incorrectly interpreted. Since the reality we live in has more then just the 3D that we can see we have come to rely on what we believe to be true more then what we know to be true.

Firstly, even so-called scientific physical reality has four dimensions and possibly more if we include superstring theory. But these are just concepts and scientific models, not reality. A case in point can be easily understood if we look at the very pillars that support our reality. Science and society are the foundations of what we believe.  

They aren’t the foundations of what I and many others believe. We are told from birth to death that what these two things, science and society are the keeps of knowledge and truth yet they have no  greater ability to see this reality then we do.

No one ever told me that. They often have a view point that is less objective then we have but we tend to subjugate what we see and believe to the will of what they want us to believe.  Science has made many errors as has society but they remain steadfast in their belief that they are the infallible source that we should accept.

Science does never makes any claim to be infallible (some pretend scientists may) – science is based on theoretical models to explain experimental results.   One issue that is going to erupted soon that will demonstrate just how lacking these two are involves science. For a long time we have been taught that the speed of light is a constant that is the standard for measurement in much of science.

Again this is just the special relativity model. It isn’t truth or sacred. As soon as a result doesn’t fit a new model will be developed. That’s how science got where it is now. Some traditionalists may try to hold it back but that isn’t science. <snip   Both society and science continue to make judgment errors and we have to adjust.

Science doesn’t make judgements. Either the results are repeatable and fit the proposed model or they don’t. <snip Kundrol

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Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.  To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can …put a mirror behind it… L8r, alX

Better yet, suspend it on a glass shelf surrounded by mirrors on five sides ie: "below, above behind, left and right." Use the above five points as an analogy for "centering, grounding, meditation, prayer and using the third eye." We allow our lives to fall in to a deep pit before we are willing to stop and re-evaluated what we are and what we believe. How much of what you are and what you believe is valid based on the reality you see? Got no clue?  Then you are not in control of your life or the path you are walking.

I’ve got a clue. How about you? Love, Peace and Bright Blessings SamWise http://steinwerk.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.  To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can …put a mirror behind it… L8r, alX Better yet, suspend it on a glass shelf surrounded by mirrors on five sides ie: "below, above behind, left and right."

Well, even avoiding the mirrors, it’s possible to see up to five sides at the same time.  You simply need a sufficiently small cube such that it’s diagonal measurment is smaller than the distance between your eyes. Hold it  diagonally vertical, very close to your eyes, with one face directly toward you.  You’ll see the four sides which make the perimeter, as well as the front surface, leaving only the rear surface unobserved. But…I do believe we’re over thinking what was said.  If you don’t get nitpicky the gist of what was said makes very much sense.         – Bran Faol — ‘An harm it none, do what you Will,’ is an ideal. At times it is necessary to take the path of least harm because taking no path at would cause more harm.

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Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.  To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can

…put a mirror behind it… L8r, alX

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Sheesh, buddy!  Whatever you are selling, try to do it in fewer words- dont’ bore folks when trying to sell snake oil. I’ve never seen such a long winded rant…. Circe

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Really excellent and educational post!  Thanks.  :) Many Blessings, Tegan  :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Awhile ago I posted something called reality which was about how we see our world.  One of the statements made was the we can never see any more the 1/2 of this reality because of it’s physical limitations.  To demonstrate this point I suggested you find a cube and place it in front of you.  No matter position you chose to use to see that cube at no point in time can you see more the half of that cube.  While we can change our point of view and by Adding the first seen aspect of the cube to what we see form a different point of view we can make the assumption of what the whole cube would like like if we could see the whole thing. The irony is that even within our own mind we can not create an image that is greater the the three sides of the cube we can see at any given time. Our reality as well as our thoughts are bound by the limitations of this 3D reality.  This becomes more complicated when one of the dimensions we see or don’t see is incorrectly interpreted. Since the reality we live in has more then just the 3D that we can see we have come to rely on what we believe to be true more then what we know to be true. A case in point can be easily understood if we look at the very pillars that support our reality. Science and society are the foundations of what we believe.  We are told from birth to death that what these two things, science and society are the keeps of knowledge and truth yet they have no  greater ability to see this reality then we do.  They often have a view point that is less objective then we have but we tend to subjugate what we see and believe to the will of what they want us to believe.  Science has made many errors as has society but they remain steadfast in their belief that they are the infallible source that we should accept.  One issue that is going to erupted soon that will demonstrate just how lacking these two are involves science. For a long time we have been taught that the speed of light is a constant that is the standard for measurement in much of science.  Now as we expand our understanding of the cosmos we find that this many not be as constant as we thought.  Consider the statement of science that light can not escape a black hole.  If this is the case then light does not travel at a constant speed.  If light can and is effected by gravity then it is effected by all of gravity not just the extremes of the gravity within a black hole.  The theory that time and space are flexible and that as the fabric of time and space are stretched and distorted by gravity and thus causing light to travel further and in so doing accounting for the small variations in time still can not justify the actions of light in are around a black hole.  It would seem obvious that the physical laws we have chosen to accept concerning light may not always be true.  If that is the case then the whole of what we know will once again have to be examined to determine how much of what we accept as true will need to be revamped to accommodate the actions of light around a black hole. With in society the same process is always being applied.  For example here in the United States we assumed that the success of easter style management techniques is what  cause the demise and fall of our control of major markets.  We went so far as to attempted to incorporate the management styles of the easter world like Japan into our industries. Now we see that while that style generated success that it also was no sustainable.  The control by the eastern style managed companies is now is disarray and  Japanese economy is at the brink of disaster. Society defined success and it defined the management style it felt could achieve success but as usual society saw only a small part of what the true reality was.  Both society and science continue to make judgment errors and we have to adjust.  We as individuals make the same kind of errors and chose to ignore them until they create a crisis we can no longer ignore.  We allow our lives to fall in to a deep pit before we are willing to stop and re-evaluated what we are and what we believe. How much of what you are and what you believe is valid based on the reality you see? Got no clue?  Then you are not in control of your life or the path you are walking. — Please take a moment to visit the web pages devoted to earth friendly beliefs and some of the things written by A. Nonperson. Visit http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/6891/anon/anon.htm

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Hello,         I need as many resourses, on the net and off, for stories about fraud, embezzlement, etc.  I am doing a 5-10 minute report in my Accounting class on this subject.  I would like these sources to be as in depth as possible. Thanks in advance, Aaron

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        I need as many resourses, on the net and off, for stories about fraud, embezzlement, etc.  I am doing a 5-10 minute report in my Accounting class on this subject.  I would like these sources to be as in depth as possible. Thanks in advance, Aaron

"resourses"?  every month the IIA publication has horror stories – http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/iia/

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        I need as many resourses, on the net and off, for stories about fraud, embezzlement, etc.  I am doing a 5-10 minute report in my Accounting class on this subject.  I would like these sources to be as in depth as possible. Thanks in advance, Aaron "resourses"?  every month the IIA publication has horror stories – http://www.rutgers.edu/Accounting/raw/iia/

Try the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners at: http://www.acfe.org/index.html Robby

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We’re looking into a new payroll program.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. TIA   Becky

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We’re looking into a new payroll program.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. TIA   Becky

   You might want to take a look a DataPro, it very comprehensive. After your review, I can answer your questions please feel free to contact us. Sincerely, Gary Green DataPro Inc. http://www.data-pro.com/pc.htm 616-685-9214

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Pensolft will cost a little more than $70.  Perhaps outsourcing is the answer. — Dean Covey www.coveyaccounting.com Accounting, Tax, Payroll, Web Hosting+, and now Application Hosting

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The site has a copyright date of 1998, and the Operating System required is Windows 3.1 or Windows 95.  Sounds like they haven’t been updating their web site. The program is Shareware.  Try downloading it and use it.  If you like it, and it does what you want it to do, and if they have a good support team, then pay for it. If not, check out PenSoft payroll at www.pensoft.com. Charles Has anyone here heard of "PayWindow" – automated software for MS Windows? I found it by searching Google and it’s priced at $70.00 plus $30.00 per year. $30.00 a year sounds pretty good to me and your not held hostage because it’s not integrated into your accounting software. BUT – has anyone tried the free demo? –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

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The site has a copyright date of 1998, and the Operating System required is Windows 3.1 or Windows 95.  Sounds like they haven’t been updating their web site. The program is Shareware.  Try downloading it and use it.  If you like it, and it does what you want it to do, and if they have a good support team, then pay for it. If not, check out PenSoft payroll at www.pensoft.com. Charles

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone here heard of "PayWindow" – automated software for MS Windows? I found it by searching Google and it’s priced at $70.00 plus $30.00 per year. $30.00 a year sounds pretty good to me and your not held hostage because it’s not integrated into your accounting software. BUT – has anyone tried the free demo? –       ____       _    | ____o____/_|    |  o’

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Looking for payroll software that will allow: 1) Daily input 2) Labels 3) 500 employees 4) Paid in cash denominations 5) Weekly pay 6) Department breakdown. Any suggestions?

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Looking for payroll software that will allow: 1) Daily input 2) Labels 3) 500 employees 4) Paid in cash denominations 5) Weekly pay 6) Department breakdown. Any suggestions?

There is a beautiful package called Open4 by BMH.  It’s a bit pricey, but if you have 500 employees, you should be able to afford it, and it will handle everything you ever needed to know about employees.  There is a payroll package and a human resources package.  Contact Susan Williams at 972 702-0892. Training is free, as far as I know.  As the former CFO of a $45mm company, I can tell you this package met all of my needs. (Tell her I sent you) — Cary Hedrick, Accountant "You may soar with eagles, but weasles don’t get caught in jet engines." (

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Is this a cash payroll for 500 employees? Looking for payroll software that will allow: 1) Daily input 2) Labels 3) 500 employees 4) Paid in cash denominations 5) Weekly pay 6) Department breakdown. Any suggestions?

– Frederick E. Jorden http://fejcpapc.com/ Frederick E. Jorden, CPA PC (804) 320-6210 FAX (804) 320-6211

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Yes, it is an amusement park with 500 employees paid in cash – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Is this a cash payroll for 500 employees?

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I would recommend investing in the PeachTree software.  It will handle all of your needs for the office, including inventory, payroll, accounts payable, invoicing and many more.

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I am currently using QUICK PAY to commute payroll for companies ranging from 1 to 6 employees.  Each year I have to pay for a payroll tax update.  I am wondering if there is any payroll software where I can enter the tax charts myself.

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One that comes to mind is Peachtee DOS. As long as they don’t change the W-2 format, you don’t have to buy the update. However, I don’t think its currently Y2000 compliant. I am currently using QUICK PAY to commute payroll for companies ranging from 1 to 6 employees.  Each year I have to pay for a payroll tax update.  I am wondering if there is any payroll software where I can enter the tax charts myself.

– Karl E. Irvin, CPA  -  Arlington, Texas

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I am currently using QUICK PAY to commute payroll for companies ranging from 1 to 6 employees.  Each year I have to pay for a payroll tax update.  I am wondering if there is any payroll software where I can enter the tax charts myself.

Stanley If you revert to Quick pay ver 2 you can input the tables Gary

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Peachtree DOS ver 10 is Y2000 compliant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One that comes to mind is Peachtee DOS. As long as they don’t change the W-2 format, you don’t have to buy the update. However, I don’t think its currently Y2000 compliant. I am currently using QUICK PAY to commute payroll for companies ranging from 1 to 6 employees.  Each year I have to pay for a payroll tax update.  I am wondering if there is any payroll software where I can enter the tax charts myself. — Karl E. Irvin, CPA  -  Arlington, Texas

If you see someone without a smile, give them one of yours!"

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You could check out Painless Payroll.  It uses a DBF file format, and all the tax tables can be edited by the user.  The web page is http://www.computek.net/public/kpierce/. Jim

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I have used Microsoft Excel for 5 years of payroll so far. Yes I know it sounds week, but if your going to update your tax columns every year as I do, you may as well use Excel. I have 12 employees so I only input their tax brackets. You don’t have to be a expert to make the formulas (vlookup) and other basics. It holds no records, but we still keep records on the individual timecard and a weekly printout sheet generated through Excel. Works for me, but I’m taking a step up to try Quickbooks 5.0, or may be Peachtree. I don’t know the least about accounting, although I do know bookkeeping the manual way. I just hope I’m not sorry after paying $175.00 for the software. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am currently using QUICK PAY to commute payroll for companies ranging from 1 to 6 employees.  Each year I have to pay for a payroll tax update.  I am wondering if there is any payroll software where I can enter the tax charts myself.

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Erik Don’t spend 175 on a chance that QB will work [ It will!]. go to www.Intuit and request a free trial copy. Everything you set up on the trial will be brought under your registered copy. Gary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The information that I got from our local feds is that I can install any radio that receives only (ADF, GPS, etc).  If it transmits also, a licensed avionics tech has to install it.  Check with your local feds.  They are the ones that will ground you. Ask a thousand feds, you get a thousand answers.  Just like accounting, ask an accountant what 1+1 is, they answer 2.  Ask a lawyer what 1+1 is, they ask you what you would LIKE it to be. Jim

I installed a GPS (swapout for like Loran) and a DME in my airplane, plus moved some things around.  I have radio and installation background (not in aircraft) but my commercial license expired.  My IA just did a 337 and it was no problem.  (We had to jump through a few hoops on  the GPS installation, but that was primarily putting the right incantations regarding the AC on the 337 to make the local FSDO happy).  But the fact that I was not a licensed tech did not seem to make a difference. Jason Goertz            | Voice: 206-946-1184 Federal Way, WA         | Fax:   206-946-1324 1953 D Bonanza, N2190D

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The information that I got from our local feds is that I can install any radio that receives only (ADF, GPS, etc).  If it transmits also, a licensed avionics tech has to install it.  Check with your local feds.  They are the ones that will ground you.

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The information that I got from our local feds is that I can install any radio that receives only (ADF, GPS, etc).  If it transmits also, a licensed avionics tech has to install it.  Check with your local feds.  They are the ones that will ground you.

Ask a thousand feds, you get a thousand answers.  Just like accounting, ask an accountant what 1+1 is, they answer 2.  Ask a lawyer what 1+1 is, they ask you what you would LIKE it to be. Jim Jim Weir VP Engineering  | You bet your sweet patootie I speak RST Engineering          | for the company.  I OWN the cotton- Grass Valley CA 95945    | pickin’ company. voice/fax 916/272-1432   | AR Adv. WB6BHI               Cessna 182A N73CQ

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