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The assertion is commonly made that the media is "liberal."

A "conservative" media would never have spent a million dollars trying to prove Gore "won" Florida. A "conservative" media would not have card-carrying liberals as the chief anchors and managing editors of the three major nightly news programs. A "conservative" media would never edit out the boos from Hillary’s attempted speech at the Concert for NYC. Start shooting, I have plenty of bullets (and facts) to shoot back at you. And win. "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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Sure they did. One of the reasons Enron went under was due to overextending themselves. Clinton helped them do it. I see. So Clinton supported business growth and now it’s all his fault if the companies management causes the business to collapse?

I didn’t say that. Clinton was supporting business growth, Bush is taking bribes. See the differance?

Prove he’s taking bribes. Oh, and learn to spell "difference" while you’re at it. Next? — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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An Open Letter to George W. Bush from Michael Moore Dear George, When it’s all over in a couple months, and you’re packing up your pretzels and Spot and heading back to Texas, what will be your biggest regret?  Not getting out more often and seeing the sights around Rock Creek Park?  Never once visiting the newly-renovated IKEA in Woodbridge, Virginia?  Or buying your way to the White House with money from a company that committed the biggest corporate swindle in American history?  I got a feeling you didn’t miss much by not spending an entire Saturday afternoon assembling a Swedish bookcase — but you should have known that there was no way you would ever finish your term by hopping into bed with Kenneth Lay. It’s kind of sad when you think about it.  Here you were — the most popular president ever!  – the recipient of so much good will from your fellow Americans after September 11, and then you had to go and blow it.  You just couldn’t stay away from your old cowpoke friend from Texas, Kenneth Lay. Kenny has always been there for you.  You needed a way to fly around to all the primaries and campaign stops in the 2000 election — so Kenny gave you his corporate jet.  Did you tell the voters when you arrived in each city that the bird you flew in on was from a billionaire who was secretly conspiring to give the bird to all his employees and investors?  He flew you around America on the Enron company jet, and for that favor you touched down on tarmac after tarmac to tell your fellow citizens that you were "going to restore dignity to the White House, the people’s house."  You said this standing in front of an Enron jet! Man, you loved Lay so much, you not only affectionately referred to him as "Kenny Boy," you interrupted an important campaign trip in April, 2000, to fly back to Houston for the Astro’s opening day at the new Enron Field — just so you could watch Kenny Boy Lay throw out the first pitch.  How sentimental! I mean, you loved this man so intensely that, when you were awarded a set of keys the Supreme Court had made for you so you could live in the White House, you invited Kenny Boy to set up shop — at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!  He interviewed those who would hold high-level Energy Department positions in your administration. You not only let Kenny Boy decide who would head the regulatory agency that oversaw Enron, you let him hand-pick the new chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Harvey Pitt — a former lawyer for his accountant, Arthur Andersen!  Kenny and the boys at Andersen also worked to make sure that accounting firms would be exempt from numerous regulations and would not be held liable for any "funny bookkeeping" (don’t you wish you were this forward-thinking?). The rest of Kenny Boy’s time was spent next door with his old buddy, Dick Cheney (Enron and Halliburton, as you’ll recall, got the big contracts from your dad to "rebuild" Kuwait after the Gulf War).  Lay and Dick formed an "energy task force" (Operation Enduring Graft) which put together the county’s new "energy policy."  This policy then went on to shut down every light bulb and juicer in the state of California.  And guess who made out like bandits while "trading" the energy California was in desperate need of?  Kenny Boy and Enron!  No wonder Big Dick doesn’t want to turn over the files about those special meetings with Lay! The only thing that surprises me more than all the Enron henchmen who ended up in your cabinet and administration is how our lazy media just rolled over and didn’t report it.  The list of Enron people on your payroll is impressive.  Lawrence Lindsey, your chief economic advisor? A former advisor at Enron!  Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill?  Former CEO of Alcoa, whose lobbying firm, Vinson and Elkins, was the #3 contributor to the your campaign!  Who is Vinson and Elkins?  The law firm representing Enron!  Who is Alcoa?  The top polluter in Texas. Timothy White, the Secretary of the Army?  A former vice-chair of Enron Energy!  Robert Zoellick, your Federal Trade Representative?  A former advisor at Enron!  Karl Rove, your main man at the White House? He owned a quarter-million dollars of Enron stock. Then there’s the Enron lawyer you have nominated to be a federal judge in Texas, the Enron lobbyist who is your chair of the Republican Party, the two Enron officials who now work for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and the wife of Texas Senator Phil Gramm who sits on Enron’s board.  And there’s the aforementioned Mr.  Pitt, the former Arthur Andersen attorney whose job it is now as SEC head to oversee the stock markets.  George, it never stops!  My fingers are getting tired typing all this up — and there’s lots more. Don’t get me wrong, George — I do not think you’re an evil man.  You don’t need any crap from people like me — heck, you got mother-in-law problems!  Now, I have a very good relationship with my mother-in-law, but then, I never told her to put $8,000 of her money into a company my administration knew was going belly-up. You say you didn’t know?  Your bag man — Don Evans, the man who squeezed all that money for you from Enron as your campaign finance chairman (and is now collecting his reward as your Commerce Secretary) — has admitted that he got calls from Enron begging for help last year because they were going under.  Didn’t he tell you this? Then Paul O’Neill, your Treasury Secretary, admitted that Enron and Kenny Boy called him, too, for some special favors to save Enron. Didn’t he mention this to you?  They claim to have called your chief of staff, Andrew Card, and he said he didn’t bother to inform you. What does your mother-in-law think about these boys her daughter’s husband consorts with? I love watching the O’Neill and Evans show.  What a couple of cut-ups! They’re, like, all proud of themselves for "not doing Enron any favors."  Actually, I think it’s more like they didn’t do your MOTHER-IN-LAW any favors.  Enron got LOTS of favors.  And why not? Kenny Boy has been your number one financial backer since you ran for governor.  No other American or Saudi has given you more money than Kenny Boy and his gang at Enron.  O’Neill, Evans, Cheney, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham — ALL of them gave Lay and Enron special favors from day one.  The New York Times last May was so concerned about how Kenny had the run of the place (1600 Pennsylvania Ave.), they referred to Lay as the "shadow advisor to the president." And what advice!  Who was it that wanted you to deregulate the energy industry further?  Kenny Boy!  Who was it that convinced you to explore the sick idea of PRIVATIZING our water supply and then allow private corporations to "trade" it in the future?  Kenny Boy!  Who was it that wanted Social Security to be tied to the stock market?  Yup, Kenny Boy!  (Imagine, if you will, what would have happened to our precious Social Security funds had they been invested in Enron stocks as you, George, suggested be done during your campaign as yuppies everywhere clucked along in agreement over that genius idea.) O’Neill’s and Evans’s admission that they "did nothing" when Enron told them of the company’s shell game and impending collapse is reason enough for you and yours to hit the Beltway and never return to that sacred trust we call Our American Government.  They are proud of "doing nothing?"  By doing nothing, millions of Americans have been swindled.  Tens of thousands have lost their jobs.  Thousands more have lost their savings and their retirement.  Yet your cabinet secretaries gloat over what a "good job" you and they did by "doing nothing." Let me ask you this:  If someone was setting a house on fire, and they called you to help them set it on fire, and you said no you wouldn’t help them — BUT then you also DIDN’T call 9-1-1 and inform the police that someone was going to burn down a house, do you think you would have committed a crime? Of course you would have!  You had prior knowledge and then you knowingly and purposefully HID this information from the authorities and the people living in the house!  You only admitted that you knew a house was going to be torched when you were confronted by the police. Are you complicit?  Yes!  Are you an accessory?  Yes!  Who would even think of going around boasting, "Hey, look what a great guy I am — a friend of mine told me he was going to commit an act of arson, and then I decided NOT to tell ANYONE about it!!  WHOO-HOO!!" Enron and Kenny Boy bought your silence and the silence of your cabinet members.  You yourself didn’t have to actually raid the 401(k) accounts of those poor people in Houston (many of whom probably voted for you every time your name was on a ballot).  All you had to do was remain silent, change the government regulations that let them get away with it, and install their hand-picked cronies to sit on the "oversight" boards which were supposed to be keeping an eye on them. While doing all this, you told the American people that these rich friends of yours were not getting any special breaks — when, in fact, Enron had already scammed their way out of paying NO taxes in four out of the last five years.  Your economic "stimulus" bill that you got the House to pass after 9-11 had a section that would give Enron a gift of $250 million of our tax money.  You were pushing this bill in November and December, long after your administration knew that Enron was raiding the vault and screwing its workers and investors. You and your Republican friends are quick to point out that Enron had their claws into the Democrats as well.  Yes, they did, and thank you for making the case why we not only need an alternative to the current make-up of the Democratic Party, we need private money removed from our electoral process ASAP. But, George, let’s be … read more »

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Sure they did. One of the reasons Enron went under was due to overextending themselves. Clinton helped them do it.

I see. So Clinton supported business growth and now it’s all his fault if the companies management causes the business to collapse? But you guys are desperate to dissociate him from Enron in any way possible. Why? There’s plenty of evidence that he did more to help Enron than Bush did. Like this here article.

Clinton was supporting business growth, Bush is taking bribes. See the differance?

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No, I don’t see any bribes.  Emron was TURNED AWAY when they went to the White House to beg for help to stay alive.  Yeah, I guess that ZERO dollar payment was on hell of a bribe. Bryan — 1980 Mercedes 240D sedan 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai Hardtop 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 24 Valve Turbodiesel 2002 Saturn SC2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure they did. One of the reasons Enron went under was due to overextending themselves. Clinton helped them do it. I see. So Clinton supported business growth and now it’s all his fault if the companies management causes the business to collapse? But you guys are desperate to dissociate him from Enron in any way possible. Why? There’s plenty of evidence that he did more to help Enron than Bush did. Like this here article. Clinton was supporting business growth, Bush is taking bribes. See the differance?

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Help them, OK. "More to help Enron than Bush" is a pretty brave assertion. Dan — Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is the best. – F. Zappa R.I.P. –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote " I don’t suppose it ever occoured to you that none of the issues raised in this pathetic smokescreen of a story Refute the facts, don’t shoot the messenger. Obviously that’s the best you’ve got. had anything to do with Enron’s collapse, did it? Sure they did. One of the reasons Enron went under was due to overextending themselves. Clinton helped them do it. But you guys are desperate to dissociate him from Enron in any way possible. Why? There’s plenty of evidence that he did more to help Enron than Bush did. Like this here article. Bush and his administration did, didn’t they? Prove it. Moron! Ad hominem attacks? You just admitted *you* don’t have an argument. If you did, you wouldn’t be attacking. You would be REFUTING with facts. Next? — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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The assertion is commonly made that the media is "liberal." When you can support that, I’ll proceed to knock down your assertions. Until then, I feel comfortable using your own tactics against you… Dan — Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is the best. – F. Zappa R.I.P. –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . Again, the conservative mainstream media are far from "liberal," in any sense of the word Prove it. With examples, not with accusations. "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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Not a bad idea… — Bob "Wouldn’t it be something if Bush wins the election because of a bunch of tax evaders?" — CNN/Time’s Margaret Carlson, referring to absentee votes of American military personnel serving overseas.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know that. Since Chaka is a proud resident of my killfile, it’s good to know that it’s still stupid. — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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Chacka Con: Actually, it is documented FACT that more college graduates vote Republican (hence are considered "conservatives") than vote Democrat. And Algore won the high school dropout vote. These are simply more pineapple-delusions.  Lies and bullshit.

Wrong.  These facts are documented. Look them up and get back here with an apology for calling him a liar.

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Naturally, I was just pointing out the unalloyed stupidity of Chaka’s assertion, which he generously spiked himself with a grammatical error.

I know that. Since Chaka is a proud resident of my killfile, it’s good to know that it’s still stupid. — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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. Again, the conservative mainstream media are far from "liberal," in any sense of the word

Prove it. With examples, not with accusations. "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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" I don’t suppose it ever occoured to you that none of the issues raised in this pathetic smokescreen of a story

Refute the facts, don’t shoot the messenger. Obviously that’s the best you’ve got. had anything to do with Enron’s collapse, did it?

Sure they did. One of the reasons Enron went under was due to overextending themselves. Clinton helped them do it. But you guys are desperate to dissociate him from Enron in any way possible. Why? There’s plenty of evidence that he did more to help Enron than Bush did. Like this here article. Bush and his administration did, didn’t they?

Prove it. Moron!

Ad hominem attacks? You just admitted *you* don’t have an argument. If you did, you wouldn’t be attacking. You would be REFUTING with facts. Next? — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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Actually, it is documented FACT that more college graduates vote Republican (hence are considered "conservatives") than vote Democrat. And Algore won the high school dropout vote.

These are simply more pineapple-delusions.  Lies and bullshit.

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Again, the conservative mainstream media are far from "liberal," in any sense of the word (even if you include the now-popular "non-Republican apologist). Chaka, don’t believe their lies. Dan — Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is the best. – F. Zappa R.I.P. –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Especially the big three of ABC, CBS and NBC, which all have card carrying liberals as their chief nightly anchors and managing editors. It’s no coincidence that most of the television media and over 80% of college professors are liberal.  It require a lot more intelligence to be liberal.

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Naturally, I was just pointing out the unalloyed stupidity of Chaka’s assertion, which he generously spiked himself with a grammatical error. That’s the problem with liberal morons who sit around all day patting themselves on the back about how smart they are and congratulating themselves for "solving" problems with half-measures, Band-Aid fixes, feel-good gestures and dainty dealings with thugs. "It’s no coincidence that most of the television media and over 80% of college professors are liberal.  It require a lot more intelligence to be liberal."     Chaka — Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, it is documented FACT that more college graduates vote Republican (hence are considered "conservatives") than vote Democrat. And Algore won the high school dropout vote. The standard (tired) DNC "response" to this is that historically those with "advanced degrees" vote Democrat, but this is such a small group of people percentage wise it’s practically irrelevant. It’s certainly a much smaller group of voters than those who never graduated from high school. — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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It require a lot more intelligence? Well, I reckon it do.

Actually, it is documented FACT that more college graduates vote Republican (hence are considered "conservatives") than vote Democrat. And Algore won the high school dropout vote. The standard (tired) DNC "response" to this is that historically those with "advanced degrees" vote Democrat, but this is such a small group of people percentage wise it’s practically irrelevant. It’s certainly a much smaller group of voters than those who never graduated from high school. — "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things"- Dan Rather

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                      "Senate Probes Clinton Loans                      For Enron Deals                      By Paul Sperry                      Washington Bureau Chief                      WorldNetDaily.com                      2-21-2                      WASHINGTON – Under the Clinton administration, the Overseas Private Investment                      Corp. "gave hundreds of millions of dollars" in loans and other government support to                      risky Enron-related projects overseas, according to a Senate Finance Committee                      audit released today.                      As WorldNetDaily first reported Jan. 22, Enron became one of OPIC’s biggest                      customers during the Clinton years.                      From fiscal year 1993 to fiscal 2000, OPIC gave at least $544 million in loans to                      Enron-related projects, the agency reported in a letter to the Senate panel. It provided                      another $204 million in political-risk insurance. OPIC listed only currently supported                      projects.                      The Export-Import Bank, another federal overseas economic-development agency,                      gave more than $650 million in loans to Enron-related projects, confirming                      WorldNetDaily’s earlier reporting.                      The Senate panel asked for data back to 1985. "It appears the agency made no loans                      to Enron-related businesses from 1985 to 1992," said Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa,                      ranking committee member.                      Current outstanding balance on all the federal loans is $965 million, according to the                      audit. With the insurance liability, the federal agencies’ indirect exposure to                      Enron-related projects totals nearly $1.2 billion.                      "These loans obviously were a tremendous benefit to Enron’s operation," Grassley                      said, particularly since commercial banks rarely finance such long-term projects in                      unstable foreign markets.                      A committee investigator told WorldNetDaily that the panel is reviewing confidential                      memos written or received by OPIC and Ex-Im Bank officials regarding the Enron                      transactions.                      Former OPIC head Ruth Harkin was appointed by Clinton after her husband, Sen.                      Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, campaigned vigorously for Clinton in ‘92 and ‘96. The senator                      was one of the ex-president’s biggest boosters during his impeachment trial.                      Prior to joining the Clinton administration, Ruth Harkin was a top corporate lawyer at                      Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, a Washington firm that includes Clinton pal Vernon                      Jordan and Democratic power broker Robert Strauss.                      Ex-Im Bank board members during the Clinton years include Jackie Clegg, wife of                      Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and Maria Haley, a former aide to Clinton in Little Rock                      and ex-wife of John Haley, who was convicted in the Whitewater investigation.                      Dodd served as co-chairman of the Democratic National Committee during the ‘96                      Clinton-Gore campaign. Clinton appointed Clegg vice chair of the Ex-Im Bank board in                      June 1997.                      Haley has ties to the crooked Riady family who operate the Lippo Group out of                      Jakarta, Indonesia. The Riadys ran afoul of federal bank regulators after they took                      control of the Worthen Bank in Little Rock in the 1980s. Haley’s long-time law partner,                      Mark Grobmyer, a Clinton golfing buddy, is a Lippo lobbyist.                      While at Ex-Im Bank, documents show Haley OK’d tens of billions of dollars in federal                      loans for Indonesian projects, including many involving Lippo and its subsidiaries.                      Clinton replaced her on the board with Vanessa Weaver, who was forced by the                      Senate Banking Committee to recuse herself from Lippo transactions after a 1999                      Investor’s Business Daily story exposed her close ties to Lippo executive John Huang.                      Both Huang and James Riady have since been convicted of fraud relating to                      Clinton-Gore fund-raising.                      Two Enron executives — Joseph Sutton and Rebecca McDonald — have served on the                      Ex-Im Bank’s advisory committee.                      Enron, which usually backs Republicans, gave more than $150,000 to Clinton’s party                      during the 1996 election cycle.                      Yet another federal agency, the Trade and Development Agency kicked in more than                      $1.1 million from 1992 to 2001 for foreign projects involving Enron or its subsidiaries.                      It also sponsored 11 visits to the U.S. by foreign officials who participated in                      Enron-related projects.                      

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Question:  Is the manufacturing a Process or Project process? Example:  A process takes raw materials, has work in process, and finished goods in inventory.  Mixing ingredients for a packaged food product would be a process. Example 2: A project works against a budget with a discrete begin and end date.  Items are purchased for the project and each project has its own budget. These require two different types of accounting systems. Which do you need?

It’s for a company that builds metal forming machines on an assembly line.  They get an order for a machine, acquire/assemble the parts, build the machine and ship it.  They also resell components and spares. Thanks.

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Huh.  The thumbnails loaded just fine on my computer.  And it’s kinda old… Oh, it must be my cable internet connection. The site is fine – I liked the stars, even though my clunker computer didn’t.  Maybe you need to get a better internet provider – or just a life. — Janice Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up.  It knows it must outrun the fastest lion or it will be killed. Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up.  It knows it must run faster than the slowest gazelle or it will starve. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a lion or a gazelle – when the sun comes up, you’d better be running.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –            lissen up chubs, who the fuck asked you anyway? If you so hot on comPUtors why th efuck does your web site suck so bad? How come your thumbnails load like old people fuck? How come huh? Listen my little heffer only advice IO got for you is push your fat ass away from that comPUtor put down the fucking gummi bears and go buy a treadmill and get your fatass to work. Then we can talk ok baby?            Tha Starmaker HA HA HA! I am sooo glad that you "chumps" *think* you know what you’re talking about! I happen to be an Internet Communications Bachelor of Science graduate, on my way to my Masters and all that rubble that you just spent time making up is pure bonafide garbage! It makes no sense, you threw a bunch of big computer words together hoping it would scare some people and the truth is, it’s all garbage. I hope you’re better at accounting than Computers, baby. By the way, I was filing tax returns as a second job when I was in HIGH SCHOOL and was still making $100 pop.          I’m all for it starmie baby. Ok here’s the plan then. I am going to call my legions of attorneys and interpol because it llos to me like an international criminal conspiracy is trying to stop us from degrading assaulting and harassing men and women all over the net. We can’t have that. Who do these chumps think they are to dare to have the arrogance to tell ME what to do? hehehehehehe          I have had enough and it’s time we hook into the hard drives of these maroons and trolls. I can rig a netserver XT900 to mirror the upload through the NNTP propagation scripting in deja. Then it’s a simple matter for you to in-line the code from blue box to encode IP’s and then shell through the original servers with a unix backdoor exploit. You following me starmie? hehehehehehe           I gots ta tell ya good buddy this is cutting into my 1040a time. All the dumb working chumps here in Queens pay me 50 bucks a shot to spend 5 minutes filing their pathetic chump change short form returns online and I got to make hay while the sun shines and they need their refunds to have a good crack party. I cater that too. hehehehehehe So let’s get this show on the road and do these clown whickens we got em crappin in dere pantz! hehehehehe Carl   *ka-ching*   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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       No baby, don’t dooooo me that way. I am posting as Carl I loves ya baby needs ya gots to gots to have you baby cum cum cum for me now and I will penetrate yur soul through your backside like you have never dreamed cause yu know me baby I am a stud. Carl "I like to play with furniture" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is that why you’re posting at ATW as "sighren"? [smirk]                Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already. Randy, Randy, Randy…you screwed up, yet again… If yer talking to me de Valet, I never ever ever run sock puppets. I am proud of my words and the making of blustering bozos like you into writhing whiner monkeys. You are the one who has screwed up over and over. I never lose my temper and slip while I have made you lose yours dozens of times and threaten violence and murder, rape and forced sexual domination. Is this how you kowtowed your former lovers before they summarily rejected you for real men? Yer Master The Mighty BirdTribe de Valois — * Clowns, by their very nature, are attracted to any number of absurd realities * Artworks, games, keys – visit http://www.birdtribe.net/ your.domain.com  http://www.mosthost.net

– I am almost competent at form 1040a!

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hahaha lmao Full O Shit!  hahah Thats the lame’est one I ever saw, why don’t you just threaten to find out everyone’s aol sn and punt them!  lmao hahahaha… hehe Don’t be talking about the powerful penquin too much, i don’t think you know how to make him do what ya want     -moonenigma    BTW!   A+, Network+, MCP, MCSE+I, RHCE certified Kinda feels good to hold the knowledge Still studing the cicso cert ;]

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –          I’m all for it starmie baby. Ok here’s the plan then. I am going to call my legions of attorneys and interpol because it llos to me like an international criminal conspiracy is trying to stop us from degrading assaulting and harassing men and women all over the net. We can’t have that. Who do these chumps think they are to dare to have the arrogance to tell ME what to do? hehehehehehe          I have had enough and it’s time we hook into the hard drives of these maroons and trolls. I can rig a netserver XT900 to mirror the upload through the NNTP propagation scripting in deja. Then it’s a simple matter for you to in-line the code from blue box to encode IP’s and then shell through the original servers with a unix backdoor exploit. You following me starmie? hehehehehehe           I gots ta tell ya good buddy this is cutting into my 1040a time. All the dumb working chumps here in Queens pay me 50 bucks a shot to spend 5 minutes filing their pathetic chump change short form returns online and I got to make hay while the sun shines and they need their refunds to have a good crack party. I cater that too. hehehehehehe So let’s get this show on the road and do these clown whickens we got em crappin in dere pantz! hehehehehe Carl   *ka-ching*   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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               Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already. Randy, Randy, Randy…you screwed up, yet again…

If yer talking to me de Valet, I never ever ever run sock puppets. I am proud of my words and the making of blustering bozos like you into writhing whiner monkeys. You are the one who has screwed up over and over. I never lose my temper and slip while I have made you lose yours dozens of times and threaten violence and murder, rape and forced sexual domination. Is this how you kowtowed your former lovers before they summarily rejected you for real men? Yer Master The Mighty BirdTribe de Valois

– * Clowns, by their very nature, are attracted to any number of absurd realities * Artworks, games, keys – visit http://www.birdtribe.net/ your.domain.com  http://www.mosthost.net

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               Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already.

Randy, Randy, Randy…you screwed up, yet again… de Valois

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  Look baby you know it I know it everyone knows it but look baby you gotta believe me my big head ain’t gonna fit in your mouth and its gonna get lost in your fatass so we just ain’t gonna make it baby. What’s with all these chicks gettin after me I tell youse they ain;t no hope for em! Now if anna if you tell me you a satass Jewish chick then maybe I might think about shovin it in you baby you got it so whats it gonna be? Bat Me or the Highway?      The Starmaker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get over you? I don’t think I could get past that big head of yours if I tried!                Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already.            The Starmaker — I don’t know my ass from my ass That’s funny, I actually couldn’t tell your ass from your face…. Anna   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

– I don’t know my ass from my ass

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           lissen up chubs, who the fuck asked you anyway? If you so hot on comPUtors why th efuck does your web site suck so bad? How come your thumbnails load like old people fuck? How come huh? Listen my little heffer only advice IO got for you is push your fat ass away from that comPUtor put down the fucking gummi bears and go buy a treadmill and get your fatass to work. Then we can talk ok baby?            Tha Starmaker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HA HA HA! I am sooo glad that you "chumps" *think* you know what you’re talking about! I happen to be an Internet Communications Bachelor of Science graduate, on my way to my Masters and all that rubble that you just spent time making up is pure bonafide garbage! It makes no sense, you threw a bunch of big computer words together hoping it would scare some people and the truth is, it’s all garbage. I hope you’re better at accounting than Computers, baby. By the way, I was filing tax returns as a second job when I was in HIGH SCHOOL and was still making $100 pop.          I’m all for it starmie baby. Ok here’s the plan then. I am going to call my legions of attorneys and interpol because it llos to me like an international criminal conspiracy is trying to stop us from degrading assaulting and harassing men and women all over the net. We can’t have that. Who do these chumps think they are to dare to have the arrogance to tell ME what to do? hehehehehehe          I have had enough and it’s time we hook into the hard drives of these maroons and trolls. I can rig a netserver XT900 to mirror the upload through the NNTP propagation scripting in deja. Then it’s a simple matter for you to in-line the code from blue box to encode IP’s and then shell through the original servers with a unix backdoor exploit. You following me starmie? hehehehehehe           I gots ta tell ya good buddy this is cutting into my 1040a time. All the dumb working chumps here in Queens pay me 50 bucks a shot to spend 5 minutes filing their pathetic chump change short form returns online and I got to make hay while the sun shines and they need their refunds to have a good crack party. I cater that too. hehehehehehe So let’s get this show on the road and do these clown whickens we got em crappin in dere pantz! hehehehehe Carl   *ka-ching*   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

– I don’t know my ass from my ass

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Get over you? I don’t think I could get past that big head of yours if I tried!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already.            The Starmaker — I don’t know my ass from my ass That’s funny, I actually couldn’t tell your ass from your face…. Anna   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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               Hey baby I told you I don’t pork no porkers now shut the fuck up. Get over me already.            The Starmaker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — I don’t know my ass from my ass That’s funny, I actually couldn’t tell your ass from your face…. Anna   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy?

– I don’t know my ass from my ass

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HA HA HA! I am sooo glad that you "chumps" *think* you know what you’re talking about! I happen to be an Internet Communications Bachelor of Science graduate, on my way to my Masters and all that rubble that you just spent time making up is pure bonafide garbage! It makes no sense, you threw a bunch of big computer words together hoping it would scare some people and the truth is, it’s all garbage. I hope you’re better at accounting than Computers, baby. By the way, I was filing tax returns as a second job when I was in HIGH SCHOOL and was still making $100 pop.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –          I’m all for it starmie baby. Ok here’s the plan then. I am going to call my legions of attorneys and interpol because it llos to me like an international criminal conspiracy is trying to stop us from degrading assaulting and harassing men and women all over the net. We can’t have that. Who do these chumps think they are to dare to have the arrogance to tell ME what to do? hehehehehehe          I have had enough and it’s time we hook into the hard drives of these maroons and trolls. I can rig a netserver XT900 to mirror the upload through the NNTP propagation scripting in deja. Then it’s a simple matter for you to in-line the code from blue box to encode IP’s and then shell through the original servers with a unix backdoor exploit. You following me starmie? hehehehehehe           I gots ta tell ya good buddy this is cutting into my 1040a time. All the dumb working chumps here in Queens pay me 50 bucks a shot to spend 5 minutes filing their pathetic chump change short form returns online and I got to make hay while the sun shines and they need their refunds to have a good crack party. I cater that too. hehehehehehe So let’s get this show on the road and do these clown whickens we got em crappin in dere pantz! hehehehehe Carl   *ka-ching*   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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         I’m all for it starmie baby. Ok here’s the plan then. I am going to call my legions of attorneys and interpol because it llos to me like an international criminal conspiracy is trying to stop us from degrading assaulting and harassing men and women all over the net. We can’t have that. Who do these chumps think they are to dare to have the arrogance to tell ME what to do? hehehehehehe          I have had enough and it’s time we hook into the hard drives of these maroons and trolls. I can rig a netserver XT900 to mirror the upload through the NNTP propagation scripting in deja. Then it’s a simple matter for you to in-line the code from blue box to encode IP’s and then shell through the original servers with a unix backdoor exploit. You following me starmie? hehehehehehe           I gots ta tell ya good buddy this is cutting into my 1040a time. All the dumb working chumps here in Queens pay me 50 bucks a shot to spend 5 minutes filing their pathetic chump change short form returns online and I got to make hay while the sun shines and they need their refunds to have a good crack party. I cater that too. hehehehehehe So let’s get this show on the road and do these clown whickens we got em crappin in dere pantz! hehehehehe Carl   *ka-ching* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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gee that’s so convincing.. — "life is a creation, not a discovery"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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— I don’t know my ass from my ass

That’s funny, I actually couldn’t tell your ass from your face…. Anna

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy?

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  Carl baby, you know we don’t have to put up with all dis crap and dissin’ Let’s hook up the bluebox and crossfeed back through NNTP block the ports and re-string the I/0’s and initialize looping back through the backbone until these wads systems tell us who they are and we can give all the whatfor to your Poleece frens. Then we can have our playground back to ourselves and stalk and harass wymmins until we can’t cum no more. Deal buddy? — I don’t know my ass from my ass

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What is the accounting treatment for goods sold on consignment and vice versa? Substance over form must be considered when formulating the above treatment. Please advise. Thanks

In my U.S. experience, goods held on consignment are not *owned* by the holding firm and are not considered part of Balance Sheet inventory.  A separate inventory record may be maintained to control the consignment transactions.  ’Hope this helps. Al S.

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Please show me the accounting entries in the books. Thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the accounting treatment for goods sold on consignment and vice versa? Substance over form must be considered when formulating the above treatment. Please advise. Thanks In my U.S. experience, goods held on consignment are not *owned* by the holding firm and are not considered part of Balance Sheet inventory.  A separate inventory record may be maintained to control the consignment transactions.  ’Hope this helps. Al S.

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You have to consider the substance of the transaction. Who has the the risk and rewards associated with the items in question. In order to determine this you may want to consider whether you can send the goods back to the other party with no penalty, whether or not you have to pay for the goods if unsold, obsolesence risk, etc. If you determine that it is you who has most of the risks and rewards associated with the item, then you should record them as an asset (UK treatment I think). However consignment stocks are never really that simple, and you should probably seek professional advice. Kuba

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please show me the accounting entries in the books. Thanks What is the accounting treatment for goods sold on consignment and vice versa? Substance over form must be considered when formulating the above treatment. Please advise. Thanks In my U.S. experience, goods held on consignment are not *owned* by the holding firm and are not considered part of Balance Sheet inventory.  A separate inventory record may be maintained to control the consignment transactions.  ’Hope this helps. Al S.

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Hi It has been known since 1997 as the Institute of Cost & Executive Accountants. Please email me the details you require and specific questions. I have gone through the entire syllabus of the ICEA. Dr. N.J. Wilson Certified Public Accountant (UK) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Address of ACEA (Association of Cost Executive Accontants) ??? Dose any one know the address of the abone organisation or other contact method ? Many thanks ! Regards, William

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Address of ACEA (Association of Cost Executive Accontants) ??? Dose any one know the address of the abone organisation or other contact method ? Many thanks ! Regards, William

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Can someone please tell me how this association ranks in UK. I am quite interested in any information P J French

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The address for the ACEA is as follows: The Institute of Cost and Executive Accountants 139 Fonthill Road London N4 3HF Tel : +44 171 272 3925 Fax: +44 171 282 5723

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Mr Henry’ What locations are you looking to cover? Robert Mason – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are looking for an Insurance Continuing Education Instructor. This instructor position is an off-site /out-sourced position. The canidate should have basic computer skills with word processing and email. The course instructor must meet at least one of the following instructor criteria: (1) Instructor is and has been in the practice of teaching insurance courses for at least the last three years and has the knowledge and experience in the subject the instructor will teach; (2) Instructor is and has been properly licensed as a licensee subject to continuing education under this act for at least five years; (3) Instructor is the holder of a professional designation recognized by the department which relates directly to the subject the instructor will teach; or (4) Instructor is or has been engaged in a recognized profession that is pertinent to the subject areas to be taught, including, but not limited to: licensed or certified medical professionals, Certified Public Accountants, and members of a state bar. If you are interested in this position please reply to this message for addition information. Lee Henry

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We are looking for an Insurance Continuing Education Instructor. This instructor position is an off-site /out-sourced position. The canidate should have basic computer skills with word processing and email. The course instructor must meet at least one of the following instructor criteria: (1) Instructor is and has been in the practice of teaching insurance courses for at least the last three years and has the knowledge and experience in the subject the instructor will teach; (2) Instructor is and has been properly licensed as a licensee subject to continuing education under this act for at least five years; (3) Instructor is the holder of a professional designation recognized by the department which relates directly to the subject the instructor will teach; or (4) Instructor is or has been engaged in a recognized profession that is pertinent to the subject areas to be taught, including, but not limited to: licensed or certified medical professionals, Certified Public Accountants, and members of a state bar. If you are interested in this position please reply to this message for addition information. Lee Henry

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In a previous post regarding Steps, someone said something to the effect of, "I have to agree with the bloke who said he doesn’t understand what the two blokes {in Steps} do."  Far be it from me to suggest that whole little "Finger snapping, hand clapping, music hitching, toe-to-toe, big grinning, body-spinning, floor hugging, sliding, gliding, here we go!!" in "5, 6, 7, 8" that comes after the quote-unquote "instrumental" section is a male vocalist… -Greg

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Omar, The official Pete Waterman discography and messageboard read by Mr ‘Hitman’ himself at www.cafe80s.freeserve.co.uk Board at http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb12356 Jeremy Kay is the number 1 expert, see him there. Cheerio then! Speaking of the Hitman – did you not think you lot the Hitman and Her TV show went on for too long….he had ample time to promote all his records?

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Hey….ok lemme clarify some of your point please… No, you see. steps are POP music – nothing else!  Pop, in the pure sense of the word – i.e. popular – they are in the popular music charts all the time (no accounting for taste eh?), but not the dance charts

STEPS are very commercial, I admitt that. They are very catchy, that too. They are VERY POPULAR, true. WHO said that DANCE MUSIC cannot be POPULAR!??? I still dont get your point. They have made the dance charts (check out DMA’s Hi-nrg dance charts, and other hi-nrg charts).  True, they’ve had loads of hits on the POP charts, but so have AQUA. SOme again may argue that AQUA is also pop. I say, POP/DANCE at the MOST. Both these groups have MASSIVE appeal with kids, radio, television, SMASH HITS (and that sort of magazine)……BUT, see I dont’ care who the guy singing or adncing is…i listen to the WHOLE song….the MUSIC, I KNOW that a great Producer of hi-nrg dance music from the 1980’s is producing this, I always enjoyed his work…so why should the fact that the people SINGING on the record appear "cheesy" looking in the video and are found appealing by kids?????   = Methinks the clubs you mention would more likely be called ‘discos’ by most people on the list Actually, there are MANY kinds of clubs. There’s R&B clubs, drumnbass, top 40, hiphop,

techno, ambient, trance style, Hi-nrg club….. ALL CLUBS! All these clubs appeal to a different crowd.  I’m sure you would find that at least a couple of these might play STEPS.  IN fact they do! Why is it that to this day, whenever clubs play songs by AQUA, LA BOUCHE, etc…the whole crowd loves it and goes to the dancefloor???? Yes, they’re VERY commercial, but in my opinion they’re VERY GOOD! but still, NO ONE can get the ENERGY pumping like STOCK AITKEN and WATERMAN tracks…or just plain waterman, as he is doing with STEPS!!! A slightly sweeping statement

YOU THINK??? I dunno….check out "better the devil you know" by Kylie, "Venus" bananarama, "you spin me round" dead or alive….mASSIVE energy in those tunes They aren;t creative at all – they are robots, they sing songs (allegedly) that someone else writes, someone else produces the records, some a&r man gives them their clothes…….

I said that FAITHLESS were creative, not STEPS.  Who cares if they dont’ do any of the work!?!? I listen to a SONG…i dont’ care who wrote it. HOnestly, if i want something deep and personal, i don’t listen to eurodance for it. There’s a time and place for every type of music, but that does not mean you should disregard it just because the person who sings it is a "bimbo" "airhead" "model" etc…i mean, god knows I’ve liekd tons of music by ";lypsinchers" like Corona, Black box etc…but why should the fact that I don’t SEE the real singer matter…. I LIKE the MUSIC of steps. True, I might say the two blonde chicks are highly attractive, but that wwo’t make me like the group more. That’s called shallow. Steps in fact have 3 songs in the UK top 40 as of this week! "Tragedy" still in the top 30, their new single still in the top 20…and they are part of the "ABBA TRIBUTE" along with TINA COUSINS, BWITCHED, and CLEOPATrA which debuted at #4! 3 more examples of mass produced crap

If you wanna call it that. As someone else might say "mass produced europop sounding trash" and as I might say "brilliant music" DOn’t even dare say that only kids under 14 listen to STEPS either! Many adults love this uplifting dance/pop music! How old are you Omar? I’m 22, problem with that? So we can all talk about the the minute waltz? – after all – it’s music you

See that’s a bit too much. Dance music was never supposed to be only ONE sided and in one direction. Omar

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Hey Omar – it’s you again! Just a few points: Pete Waterman, and all his products as much as you try to make them out to be nothing but commercial pop music, aree definitely dance music

No, you see. steps are POP music – nothing else!  Pop, in the pure sense of the word – i.e. popular – they are in the popular music charts all the time (no accounting for taste eh?), but not the dance charts True they moight not play the original versions in clubs because of the "cheesiness" factor associated with these artist’s images,

Methinks the clubs you mention would more likely be called ‘discos’ by most people on the list but still, NO ONE can get the ENERGY pumping like STOCK AITKEN and WATERMAN tracks…or just plain waterman, as he is doing with STEPS!!!

A slightly sweeping statement No I never said they were as creative as say FAITHLESS or those groups, but if you want brainless, happy dance music to go adrenaline crazy on…..STEPS do it!!

They aren;t creative at all – they are robots, they sing songs (allegedly) that someone else writes, someone else produces the records, some a&r man gives them their clothes……. Steps in fact have 3 songs in the UK top 40 as of this week! "Tragedy" still in the top 30, their new single still in the top 20…and they are part of the "ABBA TRIBUTE" along with TINA COUSINS, BWITCHED, and CLEOPATrA which debuted at #4!

3 more examples of mass produced crap DOn’t even dare say that only kids under 14 listen to STEPS either! Many adults love this uplifting dance/pop music!

How old are you Omar? By the way, DANCE MUSIC is very varied, so please dont’ tell me or others not to put POSTINGS about STEPS, cos they are DANCE as much as MORALES is dance! Different styles that is ALL!

So we can all talk about the the minute waltz? – after all – it’s music you "music had been domesticated for profit – music should give birth to orgasm and revolution!"

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DOn’t even dare say that only kids under 14 listen to STEPS either! Many adults love this uplifting dance/pop music!

        That is kinda true, 14 or below, 40 and above. Like the Lighthouse Family, Steps are there to make old people think they like dance music. Visit the djrap.com to find real uplifting dance/pop. — Paul Coombes             -Go To White Hart Lane         Try www.spurs.co.uk         Or         www.higherground.co.uk         www.djrap.com -ICQ Me At 23002494

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       People have to be free to like whatever they like, if they enjoy it due to ignorance fair enough. I just wish they didnt make postings about it in a dance newsgroup. Which steps clearly arent. They dance but they aint dance.

Paul, I really do not appreciate this comment.  So it’s pop/dance.. it’s got every right to be in here.  I’ve been using alt.music.dance for about 4 – 5 years now regularly.  When I got here, discussion was almost exclusively Canadians and Americans discussing German/Dutch/Italian "Euro".  Now that there are a lot more US DJs and Europeans using the newsgroup, the topics are geared more towards house/trance/progressive/garage, etc, etc, etc.  But that does not mean the music YOU do not consider to be credible dance music does not have a place here.  I cannot put into words how much I loath most of the music coming out of the UK but I am quite happy to live in harmony with ALL the dance music fans in here. (I’m from England BTW) While I agree that Steps is not the greatest band in the world, they are fun to listen to.  I take offense at being called ignorant because I like it.  As it happens, I am confident that for European (non UK) dance music from 1993 – 1997, I am one of the most knowledgable people in the world. (yes, a bit cocky, but I collect from this era almost exclusively) So I like synthesizers and short catchy vocals over drum beats, instrumentals and vocal filled house.  This does not make my music any less "dance" music than yours. So please try to be a little more tolerant of what you perceive to be non dance music.. we’ve been here for a long time too. Regards… Darren Barnes Dance Music Mail Order Page http://members.home.net/wooba/music.html WITHOUT the spamX

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Aren’t Steps Swedish or something?  The girls are too beautiful to be English. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steps are shite.  No doubt about it. I feel ashamed to be British knowing that we’re exporting this kind of trash. Normally when new bands arrive on the scene and release four of five songs, I can usually say that I’ll like at least two of their songs, but not with these ambassadors of naff music. Rates high on the cheese scale.

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You two are both wrong. Sorry to spoil your fun, but STEPS is as happy DANCE music as you can get! True they’re not doing some samples like fatboy slim, true they’re nothing progressive by any mean, true they’re not working with any popular DJ around from North America, true they’re the furthest thing away from underground that you can get….BUT, I slightly think that is a DANCE and not a ROCK beat there! Definitely, happy, so WHAT? Pete Waterman, and all his products as much as you try to make them out to be nothing but commercial pop music, aree definitely dance music. True they moight not play the original versions in clubs because of the "cheesiness" factor associated with these artist’s images, but still, NO ONE can get the ENERGY pumping like STOCK AITKEN and WATERMAN tracks…or just plain waterman, as he is doing with STEPS!!! cmon, you can’t deny that KYLIE, Rick Astly, Bananarama, SONIA, Jason Donvan, Boy Krazy, and all the rest of the STOCK AITKEN or WATERMAN produced groups/artists that ever existed definitely had some dance/club support! I knwo they do in fact! Why do magazines like DMA publish articles about them.   No I never said they were as creative as say FAITHLESS or those groups, but if you want brainless, happy dance music to go adrenaline crazy on…..STEPS do it!! Steps in fact have 3 songs in the UK top 40 as of this week! "Tragedy" still in the top 30, their new single still in the top 20…and they are part of the "ABBA TRIBUTE" along with TINA COUSINS, BWITCHED, and CLEOPATrA which debuted at #4! DOn’t even dare say that only kids under 14 listen to STEPS either! Many adults love this uplifting dance/pop music! By the way, DANCE MUSIC is very varied, so please dont’ tell me or others not to put POSTINGS about STEPS, cos they are DANCE as much as MORALES is dance! Different styles that is ALL! OMAR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steps are shite.  No doubt about it. I feel ashamed to be British knowing that we’re exporting this kind of trash. Normally when new bands arrive on the scene and release four of five songs, I can usually say that I’ll like at least two of their songs, but not with these ambassadors of naff music. Rates high on the cheese scale.         People have to be free to like whatever they like, if they enjoy it due to ignorance fair enough. I just wish they didnt make postings about it in a dance newsgroup. Which steps clearly arent. They dance but they aint dance. — Paul Coombes

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Steps are shite.  No doubt about it. I feel ashamed to be British knowing that we’re exporting this kind of trash. Normally when new bands arrive on the scene and release four of five songs, I can usually say that I’ll like at least two of their songs, but not with these ambassadors of naff music. Rates high on the cheese scale.

        People have to be free to like whatever they like, if they enjoy it due to ignorance fair enough. I just wish they didnt make postings about it in a dance newsgroup. Which steps clearly arent. They dance but they aint dance. — Paul Coombes             -Go To White Hart Lane         Try www.spurs.co.uk         Or         www.higherground.co.uk         www.djrap.com -ICQ Me At 23002494

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Steps are shite.  No doubt about it. I feel ashamed to be British knowing that we’re exporting this kind of trash. Normally when new bands arrive on the scene and release four of five songs, I can usually say that I’ll like at least two of their songs, but not with these ambassadors of naff music. Rates high on the cheese scale.

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Now let me see, you know all accountants in the world. From your post I know you are handicapped, mentally I think! I used to think of accountants (or Bean Counters to give them their proper name) as the lowest form of life on the planet, like even lower than protozoa. This was until a few years ago my work brought me into occassional contact with actuaries. Q. What does an actuary use to avoid unwanted pregnancy? A. His/her personality.

The CBS news Friday showed a new research showing that monkeys were capable of counting past 4.  The scientists seemed to reach the conclusion that this was a sign of intelligence. So there!

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I used to think of accountants (or Bean Counters to give them their proper name) as the lowest form of life on the planet, like even lower than protozoa. This was until a few years ago my work brought me into occassional contact with actuaries. Q. What does an actuary use to avoid unwanted pregnancy? A. His/her personality. Sorry accountants, but you’ve been underevolved by the actuaries. Better luck next time. ZK — "How do you want people to remember you when you’re dead?" they asked me. "Wasn’t he old!" I replied

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Now let me see, you know all accountants in the world. From your post I know you are handicapped, mentally I think! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to think of accountants (or Bean Counters to give them their proper name) as the lowest form of life on the planet, like even lower than protozoa. This was until a few years ago my work brought me into occassional contact with actuaries. Q. What does an actuary use to avoid unwanted pregnancy? A. His/her personality. Sorry accountants, but you’ve been underevolved by the actuaries. Better luck next time. ZK — "How do you want people to remember you when you’re dead?" they asked me. "Wasn’t he old!" I replied

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From what I have read, either can be true.  My doctor told me that I have plenty of insulin, but it cannot reach the cells – just what you read.  Exercise helps reduce the resistance to insulin, as does losing weight, if the person is overweight. But, some adult onset type II may have other causes, such as poor production of insulin by the pancreas. Nora

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I was on a web site http://envirolink.org/arrs/essays/diabetes.html#info and it said the following about type II diabetes. "When diabetes begins in adulthood (non-insulin-dependent diabetes), it is not due to an inadequate supply of insulin. There is plenty of insulin in the blood stream, but the cells do not respond readily to it. Sugar cannot easily get into the cells, and it backs up in the blood stream. This form is also called Type II or adult-onset diabetes. In the short run, diabetics may  experience episodes of labored breathing, vomiting, and dehydration. In the long run, diabetics are at risk for heart disease, kidney problems, disorders of vision, and other difficulties." I thought type II was when the pancreas had reduced insulin output which is not what is stated above. Which one is correct? Thanks, George

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There are more than 15 genetic "associations" for type II alone. An article that states with certainty that all of us type II’s are really insulin resistant should be held in question. I would check the date of publication on that piece. One of the bad things about the net is that folks sometimes convert any and all documents to html and post them, regardless of how current they are, or how well researched. Type II has a number of causes, and it is distinct from insulin resistance. Often, as the pancreas degrades, type IIs eventually need insulin. If we were all just insulin resistant, we wouldn’t need to add insulin, we’d need meds to help us use our insulin. Hope that helps. Bill

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   I thought type II was when the pancreas had reduced insulin output    which is not what is stated above. IF the pancreatic insulin output is reduced.. .That is type 1 (unless) If the pancreas is producing insulin in the normal, or better, levels and it’s just not working well  That’s type II Now how confusion starts…. Some people say that after years of overproduction of insulin to over come the TYPE II’s body’s insulin resistance they beta cells which product the insulin tend to "Burn out"  This is often cited as why orals don’t seem to work well for very long terms (read that for just a few years) Now, in the case of drug turbo-charging the beta cells, I won’t argue with them.  It might be that the beta cells do "Burn out"  or "Tire out" (As others term it) however in my case C-Peptide (Which tells how well the beta cells are doing) is ABOVE the normal range (I’m producing more insulin that a non-diabetic of my size and shape would) Thus there is no burn out in ME Your millage may vary But TYPE 1 = Not enough insulin Type 2 = Plenty of insulin… Just not working properly Now, There are currently 5 treatments for type 2, NO CURES HOWEVER There are 2 treatments for type 1,  One can be a cure Type 1:  A: Insulin,     B: Pancreas transplant (May cure the patient) The reason that B is not common is the risk of transplant surgery and the need to obtain the donor organs. Type 2 has five treatments…. A: Diet and exercise…. Sometimes it really works B: Oral 1: These drugs "Supercharge" the beta cells producing more insulin C: Oral 2: These drugs tend to slow the absorption of glucose so that you    do not get the big spikes and a slower, but constant, production of insulin    can do the job D: Oral 3: ReZulin, This drug actually attacks the resistance (Good idea) E: Brute force… Just add more insulin till there is enough in there to work Best treatment…. Unless A works all by itself, Then the best treatment will be a combination of two or more of the above treatments. One should note that a pancreas transplant will not work for a type II as their pancreas is functional already.   However there is also a type III Now what is a type Three?  Why that’s a type 1 who is also type two, or a type two who’s also a type 1  (1+2=3) Since they have different causes, one does not preclude the other Oh yes… There are a number of "late onset" "instant" type 1 diabetics these days.. .I’ll give some examples 1: Gunshot wound to the pancreas… 2: Chemical attack on the pancreas… 3: Pancreatic cancer, surgical removal of the pancreas In the case of 2,  My CDE told of one patient who’d been put on a drug that attacked her beta cells… Thus turning her into a type one rather quickly You will note that except for example 3, (Which normally happens only to the older set) none of these are age dependent causes. "Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business" Attention Spammers: Fee for returning your SPAM to your postmaster $250.00 Motto from Fredrics of Hollywood……"We Fix Flats!" Net-Tamer V 1.10  - Registered

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was on a web site http://envirolink.org/arrs/essays/diabetes.html#info and it said the following about type II diabetes. "When diabetes begins in adulthood (non-insulin-dependent diabetes), it is not due to an inadequate supply of insulin. There is plenty of insulin in the blood stream, but the cells do not respond readily to it. Sugar cannot easily get into the cells, and it backs up in the blood stream. This form is also called Type II or adult-onset diabetes. In the short run, diabetics may  experience episodes of labored breathing, vomiting, and dehydration. In the long run, diabetics are at risk for heart disease, kidney problems, disorders of vision, and other difficulties." I thought type II was when the pancreas had reduced insulin output which is not what is stated above. Which one is correct? Thanks, George

Both are correct.  My pancreas makes plenty of insulin, but my cells have a wee tad problem trying to figure out what to do with it.  I have a friend that has a reduced insulin output, yet he is catagorized type II like me by his doctor.  I guess that they must draw the line at the point if the pancreas makes any insulin or no insulin when they classify I and II as far as can see things.   Fred     KE8TQ     Lorraine KC8HWV Sunny Dayton, Ohio   Look for us on Amateur Radio

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There are more than 15 genetic "associations" for type II alone. An article that states with certainty that all of us type II’s are really insulin resistant should be held in question.

There are other types, and one can be both type I and type II. Type II has a number of causes, and it is distinct from insulin resistance. Often, as the pancreas degrades, type IIs eventually need insulin. If we were all just insulin resistant, we wouldn’t need to add insulin, we’d need meds to help us use our insulin.

The mechanism of insulin resistance is poorly known, as are the chemicals involved.  The sulfonureas do not halp use insulin, but help the pancreas to produce more. The only drugs I have seen mentioned which attack insulin resistance are metformin (glucophage) and the new rezulin.  There has been a posting on this group about rexinoids, but these are still being tested.  To put it bluntly, we do not have medications which do a clearly adequate job to help us use our insulin. — This address is for information only.  I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399

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Type II has a number of causes, and it is distinct from insulin resistance. Often, as the pancreas degrades, type IIs eventually need insulin. If we were all just insulin resistant, we wouldn’t need to add insulin, we’d need meds to help us use our insulin. Hope that helps. Bill

Just a comment. Insulin resistent has been hard historically to fight. Rezulin is the first agent to directly attack this area although Glucophage may have some effect in this area.  There are a number of additional such drugs in the  pipeline. The historical tendency has been to overwhelm the resistence, both by driving the beta cells to produce insulin, and by administering insulin often in quite high doses. Art Schor

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   The only drugs I have seen mentioned which attack insulin resistance    are metformin (glucophage) and the new rezulin.  There has been a    posting on this group about rexinoids, but these are still being    tested. You are half right, Metformin (gulcophage) is one of the other types of drugs, ReZulin is the only one that attackes the insulin resistance. (Soruce, Assorted drug PDR sheets and a a recent thread here) There is one drug that attempts to regulate the absorpation of glucose by the body… I keep getting it confused with another drug but Glucophage MAY be the right one… I AM NOT SURE however.

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There is a drug put out by the Bayer company called Glucobay (or at least that was the name in Britain).  This apparently worked on the absorption through the gut.  I can’t remember the generic/class of the drug, however. I *might* still have info in a packing box around here.  [fx:  looks around herself in her loft/office:  lots and lots of boxes yet unpacked, mostly books and various literature related to computing.] They came out with this product in Britain *just* after I went back on insulin, about 1993(?)  I’d gone through diet alone (no success, immediate climbing of Bg’s), metformin (no success, unless you want to discuss my record speeds in the Toilet Dash at which I became quite proficient after a single dose – quit that med after 3 doses), and steadily increasing doses of gliclizide (again, no success, finally reaching maximum dosage), before put back onto insulin at twice the level I’d been on prior to the consultant deciding I should go off it.  I might have given Glucobay a try, had it been available.   (I used to work for Bayer UK and had access to this kind of information from the diabetic products department, who were very, very nice people, IMHO.  I was just a lowly Sr. Analyst Programmer, supporting their accounting s/w.)   Peg — I’m an American.  I used to live in England.  Now I’m back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is one drug that attempts to regulate the absorpation of glucose by the body… I keep getting it confused with another drug but Glucophage MAY be the right one… I AM NOT SURE however.

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   Guess what Bolivia, Poland, and Russia have in common?    Economic chaos and Dr. Jeffrey Sachs (not necessarily in that order).    Just goes to prove that economic theories are just that. And economists have    no idea of reality in Minsk, Kiev or Detroit!  Roll the dice…..

  "If you laid all the economists in the world end to end, they’ld STILL point in different directions!"                         Harry S Truman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |  email me for GIFS of the Altgens photo of the JFK assasination.       | <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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   I donot hold any personal grudge against economists, but the arrogance of some    of these people as they mould policy and use humans as mere pawns seems to me    a bit too hard to take.

        Let’s not leap out the window with the problems that modern economics hass caused……. It is true that many economic theories have been dynamite on paper and disastrous in practice (Lenin & Stalinist Marxism, for example)           But to make a statement like this seems to be a bit much. I think you are trying to blame very complex econimic/social/political problems upon an overgeneralized group of people.  The actual causes of The former eastern Bloc’s economic woes are not all the fault of the High-Flying Economists.         I would agree that there are many flaws with accounting practices and traditional macroeconmics (you know, the closed-loop system), but those trends are changing    N. Venkateswaran

-Brian Miami U.

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        Guess what Bolivia, Poland, and Russia have in common?         Economic chaos and Dr. Jeffrey Sachs (not necessarily in that order).         Just goes to prove that economic theories are just that. And economists have         no idea of reality in Minsk, Kiev or Detroit!  Roll the dice…..         One wonders what Yeltsin was thinking, when he decided to go in for the         Sachs’s plan. Hadn’t he heard from Bolivia and/or Poland? Or did he actually         believe in the idea that prosperity was round the corner and that prices just         had to be allowed to float up!         Epilogue:                 GM has laid off 70,000 (?) workers. As I said before, Astrologers (IMO) can do a         much better job of predicting the future than the economists. Merlin! Where are         you?         I donot hold any personal grudge against economists, but the arrogance of some         of these people as they mould policy and use humans as mere pawns seems to me         a bit too hard to take.         N. Venkateswaran

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