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Former Top Officers at Adelphia Are Arrested on Criminal Charges By JERRY MARKON Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL NEW YORK — Three members of Adelphia Communications Corp.’s founding Rigas family were arrested Wednesday in Pennsylvania on federal charges, a person close to the case said. Those arrested included John J. Rigas, the company’s founder and former chairman and chief executive and Timothy Rigas, former chief financial officer, as well as Michael Rigas. Also arrested were two top Adelphia executives who aren’t family members, James R. Brown and Michael Mulcahey. The charges in the case include securities fraud, wire fraud and bank fraud, the person close to the case said. The arrests were first reported by CNBC. <snip http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1027516262583067680,00.html?mod=ho… — Jim Hudspeth, CFE, CPA   http://survivalworks.com

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And this is under EXISTING laws.  Just more support for my position that new legislation is not needed.  Now if the State’s Attorneys General would just get off their butt and get to work all these little problems would be quickly cleared. How about my State Attorney General you ask?  Sorry, no help there he is still trying to make a case out of gun shows and showing that his party and the Governor had absolutely nothing to do with the states energy "problem."  I thought about writing him about Microsoft’s accounting, but he is more interested in getting cash settlements out of them on the monopoly issue. *             Ronald Lee Todd M.B.A., C.P.A.                  * *  Unemployed for six years, mistake of being an accountant.  * *   Students, when someone tells you of your great future as  * *       an accountant, ask him to show you the job.           *

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Look at the properties of each message……look the same dont they? Right click on the message and hit properties… Plus the wording in each message was a little to "alike" TH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LMAO….replying to yourself as spam……hmmm the "new" spam? brutal…. TH how do you know? and how do you do it? Dear Semeon! We want to offer you our new inventory system for any kind of business. Inventory Executive System is a complete system for  management of sales, purchases and payments. This system will help you in creation invoices, sale orders, purchase orders, receiving lists, payment receipts, product labels with barcodes and any kinds of the reports for monitoring your business. System allows to control  customer balances and vendor balances. http://executivpro.tripod.com Executive Property Investment Dear friends! Recently  I began the retail business. What inexpensive programs can I  use for the inventory and financial accounting? Semeon

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LMAO….replying to yourself as spam……hmmm the "new" spam?   brutal…. TH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Semeon! We want to offer you our new inventory system for any kind of business. Inventory Executive System is a complete system for  management of sales, purchases and payments. This system will help you in creation invoices, sale orders, purchase orders, receiving lists, payment receipts, product labels with barcodes and any kinds of the reports for monitoring your business. System allows to control  customer balances and vendor balances. http://executivpro.tripod.com Executive Property Investment

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear friends! Recently  I began the retail business. What inexpensive programs can I  use for the inventory and financial accounting? Semeon

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LMAO….replying to yourself as spam……hmmm the "new" spam?   brutal…. TH

how do you know? and how do you do it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Semeon! We want to offer you our new inventory system for any kind of business. Inventory Executive System is a complete system for  management of sales, purchases and payments. This system will help you in creation invoices, sale orders, purchase orders, receiving lists, payment receipts, product labels with barcodes and any kinds of the reports for monitoring your business. System allows to control  customer balances and vendor balances. http://executivpro.tripod.com Executive Property Investment Dear friends! Recently  I began the retail business. What inexpensive programs can I  use for the inventory and financial accounting? Semeon

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Dear friends! Recently  I began the retail business. What inexpensive programs can I  use for the inventory and financial accounting? Semeon

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Dear Semeon! We want to offer you our new inventory system for any kind of business. Inventory Executive System is a complete system for  management of sales, purchases and payments. This system will help you in creation invoices, sale orders, purchase orders, receiving lists, payment receipts, product labels with barcodes and any kinds of the reports for monitoring your business. System allows to control  customer balances and vendor balances. http://executivpro.tripod.com Executive Property Investment – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear friends! Recently  I began the retail business. What inexpensive programs can I  use for the inventory and financial accounting? Semeon

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Hey guys tell mw what you think…ever been told you are obessed with this WOE??  My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.  I am always up here checking things out.  Hey I do think more about just this, the very reason I am lcing is so that I can be in better health so that I can be around for along time for my husband and 9mos son. gotta go

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Hey guys tell mw what you think…ever been told you are obessed with this WOE??  My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.  I am always up here checking things out.  Hey I do think more about just this, the very reason I am lcing is so that I can be in better health so that I can be around for along time for my husband and 9mos son. gotta go

My wife is getting sick of me using the word "carbohydrate"!       — – Mike 235+/190/190 PP 5/4/99

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I *was* obsessed for the first few months.  It was very hard for me to not go about continuously preaching the LC word.  And I can’t say that I completely controlled myself. lol!  But I got a few people on this WOE.  A couple are even on this group.  You know who you are. Cat PP 6/28/99: 189/155/155 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys tell mw what you think…ever been told you are obessed with this WOE??  My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.  I am always up here checking things out.  Hey I do think more about just this, the very reason I am lcing is so that I can be in better health so that I can be around for along time for my husband and 9mos son. gotta go

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x-no-archive: yes My wife is getting sick of me using the word "carbohydrate"!       So use carb instead.

Somehow I think she’s be on to me there too! Accountants are pretty clever people!               — – Mike 235+/190/190 PP 5/4/99

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There is? — Debbie Cusick "When I get a little money I buy books: and if any is left over I buy food and clothes. "  - Erasmus Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc

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SNIP!   My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.

There is????  Why didn’t you guys tell me!!! geese, just when you think you have it figured out, someone tells you there is a world away from the ng. go figure! Jae lifeless

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No one has ever told me that but I have to wonder  if I am or if others think I am. I think I have to be kind of obsessive about it, at least until it becomes as natural as eating low fat/high carb used to be. Stephanie

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: : My wife is getting sick of me using the word "carbohydrate"!       : — I’ve driven my mom crazy on the weekends when I go home and now I’m not allowed to mention the diet anymore.

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Diet Coke and said : I *was* obsessed for the first few months.  It was very hard for me to not go about continuously preaching the LC word.  And I can’t say that I completely controlled myself. lol!  But I got a few people on this WOE.  A couple are even on this group.  You know who you are.

I was too. I was convinced that *any* carbs I ate were going to make me gain 800 pounds. But I made myself accept that that was not true.

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hmmmm, obsession with the LC WOE, or obsession with the chocolate cake and ice cream….LC…chocolate cake…LC….I think if I’m going to be obsessed with one or the other..LC RULES  JMHO! …and I figure the obsession will disappear….along with the weight. kat lc 10/99 380/342/160 next mini goal 330 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey guys tell mw what you think…ever been told you are obessed with this WOE??  My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.  I am always up here checking things out.  Hey I do think more about just this, the very reason I am lcing is so that I can be in better health so that I can be around for along time for my husband and 9mos son. gotta go

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If I remember correctly, my DH did say something about his not becoming obsessive about eating low carb or staying on this diet.     (If he really wants something, he’s gonna eat it, damn it!) Hmmmm….could that be why he put back on all the weight that he lost…and then some? Me? I’ll stay "obsessive" if that what it takes. Jo NJ

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Obsessed??? Me obsessed???  Nah…..although I did have to fight off the urge to ask how many carbs were in the piece of pasta I accidently ate in the pasta salad I was served at lunch today. (I was really going for the broccoli and pepperoni in it instead). Ann Marie 259/227/130 1/10/00

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I might be "obsessed" with eating and living low carb but my husband better not say a word since he is "obsessed" over my new body!

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I’m sure my friends are sick of hearing about my diet…..who cares, I feel better. Jillena – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey guys tell mw what you think…ever been told you are obessed with this WOE??  My husband told me today at lunch that there is more to life that lcing and this newsgroup.  I am always up here checking things out.  Hey I do think more about just this, the very reason I am lcing is so that I can be in better health so that I can be around for along time for my husband and 9mos son. gotta go

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Lets keep all the boats. One half fish one year and the others the next. Who knows after five years there may be enough fish to allow all boats to fish again.

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     FYI CCA IN UNPRECEDENTED AGREEMENT TO CONTROL LONGLINES, SHRINK FLEET      In late August, CCA, in conjunction with The Billfish Foundation and      the American Sportfishing Association, entered into a memorandum with      the Blue Water Fishermen’s Association (which represents longliners),      pursuant to which 160,000 square miles of US waters would be      permanently closed to longlining, additional time and area closures      would be instituted, the size of the longline fleet would be reduced      by 30% and longliners would be required to participate in an extended      study aimed at reducing bycatch.      The permanently closed area would stretch from the North      Carolina/South Carolina border to Key West, Florida, an area      identified in Billfish Foundation studies as the U.S. region      accounting for the greatest incidence of sub-legal swordfish and      billfish bycatch.  (Early this year, CCA opposed NMFS’s original      proposal of a seasonal closure encompassing only the Florida Straits,      since we realized that the more extensive closure provided by the      current agreement was not only possible, but necessary.)  Large areas      in the northern and western Gulf of Mexico will also be subject to      seasonal closures.      As part of the agreement, the longline fleet will be reduced by      approximately 30% through buyouts.  50% of the money for the buyouts      will come from the federal government.  The remaining costs will be      shared equally by the remaining participants in the longline fishery      and by anglers fishing in the closed areas (or by state governments      assuming the anglers’ share).      While the agreement is, in the words of Walter Fondren, CCA’s      Chairman, "maybe the biggest conservation measure for offshore      fisheries ever," it is, as he acknowledges, only a "step in the right      direction."  CCA, other conservation organizations and the longliners      themselves will now go to the International Commission for the      Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and request that similar conservation      measures be implemented in international waters.  Such international      management is essential, since about 95% of Atlantic billfish      mortality, and most mortality of juvenile swordfish, is caused by      foreign longliners.      For the agreement to become effective, it must be approved by      Congress.  CCA has already lined up a list of influential sponsors and      cosponsors in both the House and the Senate.  Unfortunately, a      negative campaign with some false information regarding the agreement      is encouraging anglers to ask their Congressman to oppose the deal.      Since any piece of legislation is a very delicate construct,  that      campaign could succeed.  Therefore, CCA NY members are being provided      with the following information so that, properly informed, they can      spread the truth regarding the agreement:      Vessels that are "bought out" of the longline fishery will not be able      to enter any other commercial fishery.  Such vessels are federally      documented.  Pursuant to the buyout agreement, not only the vessels’      longline permits, but also the commercial fishing endorsement in their      documentation, will be purchased.  After such purchase, the vessels      may be used as dive boats, party boats, whale-watchers, oil-rig      tenders or any other purpose except commercial fishing for the rest of      their working lives.      The buyout will substantially reduce effort in the domestic swordfish      fishery. Longliners remaining after the buyout have agreed to support,      at ICCAT, at 10-year rebuilding plan for swordfish, and will insist      that American negotiators press for such a plan.  Since a 10-year      rebuilding plan will require harvest reductions of at least 27%, both      the reduction in fleet size and the reduction in harvest will be      roughly proportional.  The remaining longline vessels will not reap a      significantly larger share of the swordfish quota.      There should be little displacement of longline effort from the closed      areas to the mid-Atlantic and New England.  The east-coast longline      fishery is broken into distinct segments.  a)  Longliners in the Gulf      of Mexico primarily target yellowfin tuna in a short-set, live bait      fishery that provides most of the fresh tuna steaks to the eastern      United States.  Employing methods designed to get fish from the water      to the consumer in a matter of hours, Gulf longliners have already      agreed that they could remain in local waters and serve their      traditional markets under the terms of the agreement.  Under the terms      of the agreement, they have agreed to participate in a multi-year      scientific study of longline bycatch.  b)  Southeastern longliners      primarily target swordfish, and is the group that will be the most      affected by the closures.  Some may opt to travel from traditional      ports, and fish in waters north of the closure line.  However, most      are expected to accept the buyout offer instead.  c)  Mid-Atlantic      longliners, most operating out of New Jersey, are unique in that they      target both swordfish and tuna.  They are not expected to be      significant participants in the buyout, and their operations will see      little immediate impact from the agreement, although they will also      participate in a multi-year bycatch study.  d)  New England longliners      are primarily swordfishermen, and comprise a distant waters fleet that      frequently fishes for extended periods outside of the EEZ.  They will      see the least immediate impact from the agreement, and will remain in      traditional waters.      Vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to re-enter the      fishery unless another owner leaves.  Because a limited-entry system      has been instituted in the longline fishery, the only way such a      vessel owner would be able to obtain a permit would be to buy it from      another owner who will then no longer be able to fish.      A direct ban, without some of agreement from longliners may even hurt      the fishery.  Longlining is a frighteningly effective and terribly      destructive means of catching fish.  However, American vessels,      fishing under a permit issued by NMFS, are required to obey American      fishery management plans even when they fish in international waters.      Thus, U.S.-permitted longliners may not retain billfish, fin sharks or      commit similar offenses whenever and wherever they fish.  A vessel      banned in the U.S. might  decide to reflag in Trinidad, Haiti,      Venezuela or other foreign jurisdiction, and would free such vessels      of the restrictions imposed by American law.  Since more than 95% of      billfish and more than 50% of juvenile swordfish are already killed by      foreign-flag boats, an American ban would do virtually nothing to      rebuild the fishery, but would end America’s moderating influence.      Pursuant to the agreement, vessel owners who accept the buyout will      not be able to reflag in another nation.      Armed with the above information, CCA NY members will be able to      refute fallacious arguments and urge adoption of the longline      agreement-the first real breakthrough in the conservation of highly      migratory species since CCA spearheaded the drive to outlaw the sale      of Atlantic billfish, more than a decade ago. — Joseph M Tyson Bellport, Long Island

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Just my opinion, but buying out 68 boats of dubious condition for $1 million each using our tax dollars is pretty depressing.  I haven’t read the fine print of this "deal with the devil" pact, but I’d like to see the longline fishery’s total quota reduced by at least 50% if we can’t succeed in banning the (longline) fishing method altogether. Dollars to donuts the NMFS will take any quota reduction from lost longliners and stick it back in another fishery’s quota. While it sounds prosaic… longliners should all convert back to harpoon boats for swords, and the NMFS should put a minimum of 250 pounds dressed carcass weight for a commercial-sold fish.  Right now longliners are landing juvenile fish in the sub-100 pound category on a regular basis, and these fish aren’t even old enough to spawn… so it’s only a matter of time before the species is wiped out and these jerks are holding their hands out again.  Just look at the mess up in New England in the George’s Bank. I’ve seen longliners out in the deep transferring fish carcasses from one boat to another, and you know that something fishy (no pun intended) is going on.  Probably selling a decent sized blue marlin to a foreign boat.  Yeah, it’s OK because it’s dead bycatch.  Saw that out around Washington Canyon a couple of years ago while we were fishing in the Mid-Atlantic 500.  Everyone should work so hard to eliminate the longline fishery altogether without a cash buyout, and support the Recreational Fishing Alliance and the 90+ groups, companies, and other organizations that are opposing the CCA deal. I’ve suggested to Doug Kelly of Sport Fishing that the next FACE OFF article should feature this debate… hopefully with someone like Al Ristori/Jim Donofrio on one side supporting the RFA, and John McMurray supporting the NY-CCA and their position.  Doug has already responded to muy email and agreed that this would be a good one… so look forward to two conservation groups with different perspectives going at it soon. Maybe we’ll have some surprises on both sides, but this issue needs to be discussed, since both groups want strong stocks of billfish, tuna and shark. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     FYI CCA IN UNPRECEDENTED AGREEMENT TO CONTROL LONGLINES, SHRINK FLEET     In late August, CCA, in conjunction with The Billfish Foundation and     the American Sportfishing Association, entered into a memorandum with     the Blue Water Fishermen’s Association (which represents longliners),     pursuant to which 160,000 square miles of US waters would be     permanently closed to longlining, additional time and area closures     would be instituted, the size of the longline fleet would be reduced     by 30% and longliners would be required to participate in an extended     study aimed at reducing bycatch.     The permanently closed area would stretch from the North     Carolina/South Carolina border to Key West, Florida, an area     identified in Billfish Foundation studies as the U.S. region     accounting for the greatest incidence of sub-legal swordfish and     billfish bycatch.  (Early this year, CCA opposed NMFS’s original     proposal of a seasonal closure encompassing only the Florida Straits,     since we realized that the more extensive closure provided by the     current agreement was not only possible, but necessary.)  Large areas     in the northern and western Gulf of Mexico will also be subject to     seasonal closures.     As part of the agreement, the longline fleet will be reduced by     approximately 30% through buyouts.  50% of the money for the buyouts     will come from the federal government.  The remaining costs will be     shared equally by the remaining participants in the longline fishery     and by anglers fishing in the closed areas (or by state governments     assuming the anglers’ share).     While the agreement is, in the words of Walter Fondren, CCA’s     Chairman, "maybe the biggest conservation measure for offshore     fisheries ever," it is, as he acknowledges, only a "step in the right     direction."  CCA, other conservation organizations and the longliners     themselves will now go to the International Commission for the     Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, and request that similar conservation     measures be implemented in international waters.  Such international     management is essential, since about 95% of Atlantic billfish     mortality, and most mortality of juvenile swordfish, is caused by     foreign longliners.     For the agreement to become effective, it must be approved by     Congress.  CCA has already lined up a list of influential sponsors and     cosponsors in both the House and the Senate.  Unfortunately, a     negative campaign with some false information regarding the agreement     is encouraging anglers to ask their Congressman to oppose the deal.     Since any piece of legislation is a very delicate construct,  that     campaign could succeed.  Therefore, CCA NY members are being provided     with the following information so that, properly informed, they can     spread the truth regarding the agreement:     Vessels that are "bought out" of the longline fishery will not be able     to enter any other commercial fishery.  Such vessels are federally     documented.  Pursuant to the buyout agreement, not only the vessels’     longline permits, but also the commercial fishing endorsement in their     documentation, will be purchased.  After such purchase, the vessels     may be used as dive boats, party boats, whale-watchers, oil-rig     tenders or any other purpose except commercial fishing for the rest of     their working lives.     The buyout will substantially reduce effort in the domestic swordfish     fishery. Longliners remaining after the buyout have agreed to support,     at ICCAT, at 10-year rebuilding plan for swordfish, and will insist     that American negotiators press for such a plan.  Since a 10-year     rebuilding plan will require harvest reductions of at least 27%, both     the reduction in fleet size and the reduction in harvest will be     roughly proportional.  The remaining longline vessels will not reap a     significantly larger share of the swordfish quota.     There should be little displacement of longline effort from the closed     areas to the mid-Atlantic and New England.  The east-coast longline     fishery is broken into distinct segments.  a)  Longliners in the Gulf     of Mexico primarily target yellowfin tuna in a short-set, live bait     fishery that provides most of the fresh tuna steaks to the eastern     United States.  Employing methods designed to get fish from the water     to the consumer in a matter of hours, Gulf longliners have already     agreed that they could remain in local waters and serve their     traditional markets under the terms of the agreement.  Under the terms     of the agreement, they have agreed to participate in a multi-year     scientific study of longline bycatch.  b)  Southeastern longliners     primarily target swordfish, and is the group that will be the most     affected by the closures.  Some may opt to travel from traditional     ports, and fish in waters north of the closure line.  However, most     are expected to accept the buyout offer instead.  c)  Mid-Atlantic     longliners, most operating out of New Jersey, are unique in that they     target both swordfish and tuna.  They are not expected to be     significant participants in the buyout, and their operations will see     little immediate impact from the agreement, although they will also     participate in a multi-year bycatch study.  d)  New England longliners     are primarily swordfishermen, and comprise a distant waters fleet that     frequently fishes for extended periods outside of the EEZ.  They will     see the least immediate impact from the agreement, and will remain in     traditional waters.     Vessel owners who accept the buyout will not be able to re-enter the     fishery unless another owner leaves.  Because a limited-entry system     has been instituted in the longline fishery, the only way such a     vessel owner would be able to obtain a permit would be to buy it from     another owner who will then no longer be able to fish.     A direct ban, without some of agreement from longliners may even hurt     the fishery.  Longlining is a frighteningly effective and terribly     destructive means of catching fish.  However, American vessels,     fishing under a permit issued by NMFS, are required to obey American     fishery management plans even when they fish in international waters.     Thus, U.S.-permitted longliners may not retain billfish, fin sharks or     commit similar offenses whenever and wherever they fish.  A vessel     banned in the U.S. might  decide to reflag in Trinidad, Haiti,     Venezuela or other foreign jurisdiction, and would free such vessels     of the restrictions imposed by American law.  Since more than 95% of     billfish and more than 50% of juvenile swordfish are already killed by     foreign-flag boats, an American ban would do virtually nothing to     rebuild the fishery, but would end America’s moderating influence.     Pursuant to the agreement, vessel owners who accept the buyout will     not be able to reflag in another nation.     Armed with the above information, CCA NY members will be able to     refute fallacious arguments and urge adoption of the longline     agreement-the first real breakthrough in the conservation of highly     migratory species since CCA spearheaded the drive to outlaw the sale     of Atlantic billfish, more than a decade ago. — Joseph M Tyson Bellport, Long Island

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Hello, I had a PC that was running DOS 6 and Windows 3.1, connecting to and running Great Plains Accounting version 7 for DOS  from a Novell server.  This worked fine. But when I upgraded the PC and put in Windows NT Workstation 4.0, GPS stopped working.  The startup screen comes up but it kicks me out to DOS right away. Is there a compatibility problem with NT? Thanks.

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Betcha got caught by the "ain’t no btrieve" bug. Netware has a run-time btrieve and I believe your system uses btrieve. No btrieve; no system running. Hopefully, someone will know its a different problem. Otherwise, the solution is to buy btrieve. Not fun. Dana

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Dana suggested you need Btrieve.  I’m guessing that’s partially true, but I doubt your version of Great Plains will be able to use the Btrieve engine that runs on NT.  If you are also using an old enough version of Great Plains to run on Windows 3.1, it may be a 16-bit program, which would be another problem.  I’m afraid your solution may be to upgrade to the latest from GPS. David Blumhorst DBConsulting – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I had a PC that was running DOS 6 and Windows 3.1, connecting to and running Great Plains Accounting version 7 for DOS  from a Novell server.  This worked fine. But when I upgraded the PC and put in Windows NT Workstation 4.0, GPS stopped working.  The startup screen comes up but it kicks me out to DOS right away. Is there a compatibility problem with NT? Thanks.

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I can’t remember the exact version numbers, but I don’t believe that Great Plains Accounting became compatible with Windows NT until either verison 7.1 or 8.0.  The current version 9.1 definately is.  You might want to consider upgrading, especially since Great Plains no longer supports version 7.0 anyway. Alan C. Whitehouse The Resource Group Renton, WA Great Plains Software VAR & ISV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dana suggested you need Btrieve.  I’m guessing that’s partially true, but I doubt your version of Great Plains will be able to use the Btrieve engine that runs on NT.  If you are also using an old enough version of Great Plains to run on Windows 3.1, it may be a 16-bit program, which would be another problem.  I’m afraid your solution may be to upgrade to the latest from GPS. David Blumhorst DBConsulting Hello, I had a PC that was running DOS 6 and Windows 3.1, connecting to and running Great Plains Accounting version 7 for DOS  from a Novell server.  This worked fine. But when I upgraded the PC and put in Windows NT Workstation 4.0, GPS stopped working.  The startup screen comes up but it kicks me out to DOS right away. Is there a compatibility problem with NT? Thanks.

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Guitar Center is selling these guitars for about $750 sans case, of

course. << That unbundling is really bogus. Taylor doesn’t sell guitars without cases, and doesn’t ship them to dealers without cases. Their price list only has prices including case, since Taylor believes a quality guitar deserves quality protection. What case other than that shipped with the 414, aside from the "Taylor Case" upgrade (standard in ‘98 with all Taylors 500-series and up, accounting for $100 of the price increase on those guitars… in ‘97, the Taylor Case only came with 800 series and up…) are you going to find that properly fits a Taylor Grand Auditorium? Guitar Center ought to put out honest, inclusive prices, not unbundle to hit a low number and then sell the customer the case as an add-on. Tony Rairden (SPAM Control on– delete Xs in return address to reply directly.)

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Guitar Center is selling these guitars for about $750 sans case, of course. << That unbundling is really bogus. Taylor doesn’t sell guitars without cases, and doesn’t ship them to dealers without cases. Their price list only has prices including case, since Taylor believes a quality guitar deserves quality protection. What case other than that shipped with the 414, aside from the "Taylor Case" upgrade (standard in ‘98 with all Taylors 500-series and up, accounting for $100 of the price increase on those guitars… in ‘97, the Taylor Case only came with 800 series and up…) are you going to find that properly fits a Taylor Grand Auditorium? Guitar Center ought to put out honest, inclusive prices, not unbundle to hit a low number and then sell the customer the case as an add-on.

Damn, the case for my Taylor was almost as nice as the guitar (that’s a commentary on the case, not the guitar). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Today I played a Taylor 414, and I was very impressed. I used to have my heart set on a 410, but I think I’ll look at getting a 414 in the future. The thing I like most about the 414 is the neck. It feels quite a bit different than the 410. The 414 has a more rounded U-shaped neck while the 410 seemed to have a skinny V-shaped neck. I also like the smaller body of the 414. Surprisingly, side by side, the 414 has quite a bit better projection than the 410 does. This kind of kills the "bigger is better" theory. The two guitars do sound different. The 414 has a better midrange and high-end while the 410 seems to have a boomy low-end. I also noticed that the Koa version of the 414 sounded different, as well. It seemed to offer more projection than the mahogany version – go figure. I’m still torn between getting a CE, or a regular acoustic. The CE models do come with a nice custom Fishman preamp, but no preamp would really do the acoustic sound of this guitar justice. The cutaway is also a nice thing to have, though… dammit! I might just have to get both of them! <g The Taylor 414 is now at the top of my "most recommended" acoustic guitar list. Guitar Center is selling these guitars for about $750 sans case, of course. This is a good price for such a high quality guitar. I dare say that this Taylor sounded a bit better than several of its bigger brothers costing several times it’s price. If you don’t need all the abalone inlays and nifty soundhole rosettes, than this guitar is a GREAT buy! -Cypher

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The Taylor 414 is now at the top of my "most recommended" acoustic guitar list. Guitar Center is selling these guitars for about $750 sans case, of course. This is a good price for such a high quality guitar. I dare say that this Taylor sounded a bit better than several of its bigger brothers costing several times it’s price. If you don’t need all the abalone inlays and nifty soundhole rosettes, than this guitar is a GREAT buy! -Cypher

Having purchased my 414 CE just a few weeks ago for quite a bit more than your quote, I am *still* thrilled with it. I haven’t been able to line up ten or twenty of these to compare at one store, so I had to do it the hard way – one at a time ‘8) Tough job, but I hadda know that I chose the right one. I started out looking at every other high end Taylor, but ended up loving the sound of this 414. I had no choice, it got me to take it off the rack, and then wouldn’t let me leave it there. Color me a satisfied customer. Mark

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: The Taylor 414 is now at the top of my "most recommended" acoustic : guitar list. Guitar Center is selling these guitars for about $750 : sans case, of course. This is a good price for such a high quality I played a Taylor 812C at McCabes in Santa Monica and thought it was the best guitar I’ve ever played (at $2,200  it better ber pretty darn good)   But I’ve discovered as I’ve played other Taylors in other stores that there seems to be a lot of inconsistancy between different guitars of the same model. So the 414 sounds like a great deal, just make sure that YOUR 414 is the best one you can find. BTW, The best guitar I ever played since then is a Robert Benadetto archtop ($22,000) and a William Laskin steel string acoustic ($10,000) Why do my dream guitars all cost more than my car? Greg B

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BTW, The best guitar I ever played since then is a Robert Benadetto archtop ($22,000) and a William Laskin steel string acoustic ($10,000) Why do my dream guitars all cost more than my car? Greg B

Greg, Maybe you need a new car more than a new guitar? (Big smile here, don’t get excited)      ’8) Mark

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I know exactly what you mean! I have a Taylor 810 and purchased a 714 (both rosewood and spruce) with the idea that I would play them both for awhile, decide which one I liked the best, and then sell the other. Big joke! After a couple of days it was very obvious that these were two completely different animals in terms of sound, playability and overall character. About the only thing I can say about them that is the same is that they are both great guitars! I play the 714 almost exclusively when fingerpicking, and when my left hand needs the extra fretboard width to "dance". The 810 is played when I need more volume (not necessarily projection, as you have noted) and for just general strummin’. Needless to say, I didn’t sell either, and I love both of them! I do regret not putting in the Fishman Acoustic Matrix system in the 714, but, I can always do it later. Enjoy! Regards, Elie P.S. I had a chance to look at (but not play) Grit Laskin’s guitar at the Phil Ochs song night in Toronto this past May. That’s an awful lot more than a guitar – it’s a piece of art!

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It is a well know fact that the people at TC who wrote this are now employed by the arch fiend Tony Knight and at the NYSDEC, which as we all know are simply liars… LIARS I SAY, as are those writers, labs, etc., because they haven’t gone ot to the range with me n’ old Ern, and shot our smokepoles because Ern and I can bust up them there water jugs so hard you just know the ball is so powerful and the sabot isn’t traditional so you just know it isn’t good and why do they have to lie so much and why OH WHY did they want my strawberries (obscure movie reference) I just know they were all after my strawberries…….where am I, who are all these people STARING at me? Why do you have that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -END OF T/C INFORMATION Now my take on this. All these tests were pre fast twist and saboted bullets. T/C used the same bullets (roundballs) and charge (70 grains FFG). That is apples and apples. T/C has a chart showing barrel length (bullet travel in inches) and velocities/pressures. As best that I can tell scaling the chart the 28 inch barrel would gain you 50 F.P.S. over the Knight s 24 inch barrel (1775 F.P.S.). Not very significant is it? Fred s magical 32 inch gets 1875 F.P.S. The muzzle velocity chart line gets VERY flat after the 28 inch length. More barrel length isn t all that much better. More powder does burn. Again, consider that all these tests were conducted pre fast twist and saboted bullets. Food for thought – - – Woody Williams If you re too busy to hunt, you re too busy.

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and shot our smokepoles because Ern and I can bust up them there water jugs so hard you just know the ball is so powerful and the sabot isn’t traditional so you just know it isn’t good and why do they have to lie so much and why OH WHY did they want my strawberries (obscure movie reference) I just know they were all after my strawberries…….where

Not so obscure when you deal with these types day in and day out. In fact required reading where I work. Capt’n Queeg of the Caine Mutiny. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -am I, who are all these people STARING at me? Why do you have that

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All, In looking through some old papers I ran across my manual for my Thompson Center Hawken.. They have some very interesting information on loads and  velocities and BARREL LENGTHS. One that really stuck out was the section on barrel length. Keep in mind this  was printed way before the 24 inch in-lines by Knight were introduced. The fellow  that did their testing was Mr. Ed Yard of Experimental Ballistics Associates. WORD FOR WORD PER THOMPSON CENTER – - – Mr. Yard s tests were conducted using components from the same lot. ROUND BALLS and charges were carefully weighed to insure exactness and all components were  acclimated to room temperature. Loading was done with care to provide as much consistency  as possible, and the gun and barrel were cleaned after each shot. A ten shot string was fired  with each charge and individual results were added and averaged to determine an average  pressure and velocity for each (10 shot) test. High and low variations were recorded. Tests  were conducted using DuPont powders in increments ranging from 65 to 125 grains in both the .45  and .50 caliber Hawken barrels. During the tests the following observations were made. 1) It has often been claimed that it is impossible to overload a firearm using  black powder. The theory being that only a certain portion of a heavy black powder charge will  burn and the remaining powder is blown out of the bore in unburned condition. Thus it was  assumed that the pressures created by a black powder charge would reach a certain (undetermined)  range and climb no higher.         Tests conducted by Mr. Yard indicate that this theory is unfounded.  Throughout our testing, increases in the powder charges did increase the pressure reading.  As heavier and heavier charges were loaded the pressures climbed accordingly. At no time  was there any indication of  a leveling off of pressure. Unreasonably heavy charges of  black powder can be dangerous. 2) As stated before, a propellant powder (depending upon it s design and  composition) will function most efficiently at a specific pressure range. Testing indicated that  the black powder used (in T/C production barrels) operated most efficiently in or near 7000 psi  range. In other words, charges of approximately 70 grains of powder recorded the highest  velocity in relation to lowest pressure. Heavier loads showed marked increase in pressure for only  minor gains in velocity. Equally, the loads tested in this optimum range were far more  consistent (less shot to shot variation) than the heavier charges. Those interested in accuracy should  pay heed! 3) Optimum barrel length is a question that concerns all firearm manufacturers.  To determine the most efficient length for the Hawken barrel, a series of tests were  conducted. Beginning with a 38 inch barrel, a series of barrel lengths were tested. The test barrel was  trimmed back ( a few inched at a time) to detect and record losses in velocity which occurred as the  barrel was shortened. The 26 inches of bullet travel attained in a 28 inch barrel (length of charge  accounting for the additional 2 inches) proved to be the most appropriate. The particular load used  in this test (70 Grains FFG DuPont) chronograph at 1825 F.P.S. in the 28 inch barrel and 1905  F.P.S. in the 36 inch barrel. Such minimal increases in velocity (only 80 F.P.S.) could  hardly justify an extra 8 inches of barrel. This is particularly true when you consider that  improved velocity and energy may be obtained in the 28 inch barrel by a simple load adjustment. END OF T/C INFORMATION Now my take on this. All these tests were pre fast twist and saboted bullets.  T/C used the same bullets (roundballs) and charge (70 grains FFG). That is apples and apples. T/C  has a chart showing barrel length (bullet travel in inches) and velocities/pressures. As  best that I can tell scaling the chart the 28 inch barrel would gain you 50 F.P.S. over the Knight s  24 inch barrel (1775 F.P.S.). Not very significant is it? Fred s magical 32 inch gets 1875  F.P.S. The muzzle velocity chart line gets VERY flat after the 28 inch length. More barrel length isn t all that much better. More powder does burn. Again, consider that all these tests were conducted pre fast twist and saboted  bullets. Food for thought – - – Woody Williams If you re too busy to hunt, you re too busy.

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You might want to check out West Marine’s home page. It’s located in the Global Shopping Network and has most of their products online. url=  http://www.gsn.com/

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From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer 1991):                           A Brief Introduction                         to Holocaust Revisionism                              ARTHUR R. BUTZ      Dr. Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois.  He is also the author of a major Revisionist study of the alleged Holocaust, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_, as well as a member of the IHR _Journal_’s editorial advisory committee.  Earlier this year, as Revisionist attempts to spark open debate on the Holocaust ignited controversy at Northwestern, Butz once again found himself in the center of the storm.  (For more on this, including the key role played by IHR media project director Bradley Smith, see the May and July 1991 issues of the _IHR Newsletter_.)  At the height of the controversy, Butz presented his view of the Holocaust story in a succinct essay that appeared in the school paper, _The Daily Northwestern_, May 13, 1991, under the title "A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism."  Here is the complete text of his piece, which includes a correction of an error that appeared in the Daily Northwestern version: I see three principal reasons for the widespread but erroneous belief in the legend of millions of Jews killed by the Germans during World War II: U.S. and British troops found horrible piles of corpses in the West German camps they captured in 1945 (e.g. Dachau and Belsen); there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland; and historians generally support the legend.      During both world wars, Germany was forced to fight typhus, carried by lice in the constant traffic with the East.  That is why all accounts of entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of quarters with the pesticide Zyklon.  That was also the main reason for a high death rate in the camps, and for the crematoria that existed in all.      When Germany collapsed in chaos, then of course all such defenses ceased, and typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which quartered mainly political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious objectors and Jews conscripted for labor.  Hence the horrible scenes, which however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any deliberate policy.  Moreover, the West German camps involved were not the alleged "extermination camps," which were all in Poland (e.g. Auschwitz and Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down before capture by the Soviets, who found no such scenes.      The "Final Solution" spoken of in the German documents was a program of evacuation, resettlement and deportation of Jews with the ultimate objective of expulsion from Europe.  During the war Jews of various nationalities were being moved east, as one stage in this Final Solution. The legend claims that the motion was mainly for extermination purposes.      The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated were East European – not German or West European – Jews.  For that reason study of the problem via population statistics has been difficult to impossible, but it is a fact that there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland. However, the Germans were only one of several parties involved in moving Jews around.  The Soviets deported virtually all of the Jews of eastern Poland to their interior in 1940.  After the war, with Polish and other Jews pouring out of the East into occupied West Germany, the Zionists moved large numbers to Palestine, and the United States and other countries absorbed many Jews, in most cases under conditions making impossible a numerical accounting.  Moreover, the Polish borders were changed drastically at the end of the war; the country was literally moved west.      Historians generally support the legend, but there are precedents for nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of scholars.  For example, throughout the Middle Ages even the Pope’s political enemies conceded his false claim that the 4th century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule of the west to the Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine had been succeeded by more emperors.  Near unanimity among the academics is especially suspect when there exist great political pressures; in some countries, Holocaust Revisionists have been prosecuted.      It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits skepticism. Even the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during the war virtually nobody acted as though it were happening.  Thus it is common to berate the Vatican, the Red Cross and the Allies (especially the intelligence agencies) for their ignorance and inaction, and to explain that the Jews generally did not resist deportation because they did not know what was in store for them.  If you add all this up you have the strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on a continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were regularly and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public "extermination" claims.      On closer examination even those few Jewish leaders were not acting as though it were happening.  Ordinary communications between the occupied and neutral countries were open, and they were in contact with the Jews whom the Germans were deporting, who thus could not have been in ignorance of "extermination" if those claims had any validity.      This incredible ignorance must also be attributed to Hans Oster’s department in German military intelligence, correctly labeled "the veritable general staff of the opposition to Hitler" in a recent review.      What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war, in trials. The evidence is almost all oral testimony and "confessions."  Without the evidence of these trials there would be no significant evidence of "extermination."  One must pause and ponder this carefully.  Were trials needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened?  The bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  The slaughter in Cambodia?  Yet this three-year program, of continental scope, claiming millions of victims, requires trials to argue its reality.  I am not arguing that the trials were illegal or unfair; I am arguing that such historical logic as the legend rests on must not be countenanced.  Such events cannot happen without generating commensurate and contemporaneous evidence for their reality, just as a great forest fire cannot take place without producing smoke.  One may as well believe that New York City was burned down, if confessions to the deed can be produced.      Detailed consideration of the specific evidence put forward in support of the legend has been a focus of the Revisionist literature and cannot be undertaken here, but I shall mention one point.  The claim of the legend is that there were no technical means provided for the specific task of extermination, and that means originally provided for other purposes did double duty in improvised arrangements.  Thus the Jews were allegedly gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, and their corpses disappeared into the crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary" causes (the ashes or other remains of millions of victims never having been found).  Surely any thoughtful person must be skeptical. [end of article] [Reprinted by permission from _The Journal of Historical Review_, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, CA 90505, USA.  Subscription rate: $40 per year, domestic. $50 per year, foreign.]      This article was scanned by the System Operator of the "Banished CPU" computer bulletin board system, which is located in Portland, Oregon, U.S.A.                     Banished CPU supports Freedom of Speech!          |                                                           |          |  For 300-9600 bps (3 lines w/V.32) call:  (503) 232-5783  |          |  For 14400 bps (2 lines w/V.32bis) call:  (503) 232-6566  |                         Sysop: Maynard "the Main Nerd" [end of file] -Dan Gannon — Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-0636 (1200/2400, N81)

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he is a brainless parrot with no mind of his own by reprinting yet another distortion on orders from his masters:         From _The Journal of Historical Review_,         Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer 1991):         A Brief Introduction to Holocaust Revisionism         ARTHUR R. BUTZ         Dr. Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical         engineering at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois.         He is also the author of a major Revisionist study of the         alleged Holocaust, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_, as         well as a member of the IHR _Journal_’s editorial advisory         committee. It is too bad that Dr. Butz did not contribute anything to further knowledge in the field that he is supposed to know something about, electrical engineering, before making a total ass of himself with speculations into a field he knows absolutely nothing about–history.         During both world wars, Germany was forced to fight typhus…         That was also the main reason for a high death rate in the         camps, and for the crematoria that existed in all.         When Germany collapsed in chaos… typhus and other diseases         became rampant in the camps, which quartered mainly political         prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious         objectors and Jews conscripted for labor. Dr. Butz neglects to explain how it was that the guards at these camps, who were in constant contact with the prisoners, managed to avoid contracting any of these rampant diseases.  Nor does he explain why Jewish women and children, elderly and infirm were "conscripted for labor."         …the West German camps involved were not the alleged         "extermination camps," which were all in Poland (e.g. Auschwitz         and Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down before         capture by the Soviets, who found no such scenes. As Dr. Butz himself states, the camps "were all evacuated or shut down before capture," yet he emphasizes the fact that the Soviets found "no such scenes!"  How strange that a camp should not continue to operate after it has been shut down!         The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated         were East European – not German or West European – Jews.         For that reason study of the problem via population statistics         has been difficult to impossible… Nevertheless, German and West European Jews were deported to the east. But, Dr. Butz does not mention any study of "population statistics" related to these Jews, instead shifting attention to East European Jews with a bit of verbal sleight-of-hand.         Historians generally support the legend, but there are         precedents for nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of         scholars.  For example, throughout the Middle Ages even the         Pope’s political enemies conceded his false claim that the 4th         century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule of the west to the         Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine had been         succeeded by more emperors. "There are precedents," Dr. Butz declares, yet he must reach back into the Middle Ages to find one!  To his medieval mind historical scholarship has not advanced beyond the fourth century.  Moreover, he fails to name the "pope" who is suppressing the truth of the Holocaust, or the basis for his extraordinary power over today’s secular scholars!         What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war,         in trials.  The evidence is almost all oral testimony and         "confessions."  Without the evidence of these trials there         would be no significant evidence of "extermination." Here Dr. Butz truly displays his inadequacies as a would-be historian. He objects to evidence that has been collected from eye witnesses to historical events purely because some of it was used in war crimes prosecution.  By focusing on "trials" and "evidence" he ignores the fact that there are no historical events known to us today that we have not learned from the reports of eye witnesses and historians who reported them and transmitted them to us in their writings.         One must pause and ponder this carefully.  Were trials         needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened?         The bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki?         The slaughter in Cambodia?  Yet this three-year program,         of continental scope, claiming millions of victims, requires         trials to argue its reality. The trials were necessary to convict Nazi criminals of their war crimes, not to establish the truth of the Holocaust.  Nevertheless, the facts regarding the Holocaust, like any other historical event, whether of major or minor proportions, can only be established through the testimony of witnesses. Did Dr. Butz himself witness the Battle of Waterloo or does he depend on the testimony of witnesses long dead?  Does the fact that the Battle of Waterloo was not used at a trial to condemn Napolean mean that somehow it was not reported to the rest of the world by witnesses to the actual event?  Dr. Butz seems to think that great world events are somehow transmitted to the rest of the world and to future generations by means of osmosis! And osmosis must be the way that Dr. Butz learned of all the true intentions of the Nazis, as he never gives a single reference or citation for any of the many claims he makes throughout this diatribe. He discounts the evidence of eye witnesses, and calls the Holocaust a "legend," yet offers no proof for the theory that the death camp victims were struck down by typhus.  Where is the evidence for it? To use his own arguments, how could an epidemic of such monumental proportions occur in the death camps without a single person in the outside world knowing about it? Harry Katz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer 1991):                          A Brief Introduction                        to Holocaust Revisionism                             ARTHUR R. BUTZ     Dr. Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois.  He is also the author of a major Revisionist study of the alleged Holocaust, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_…

I’m just wondering how a professor of electrical engineering becomes an expert holocaust revisionist?  It seems to me that there is a wide gap in logic…                                                 SAM

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# From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer 1991): A journal founded by the leading racist, antisemite and neo_Nazi in the US; a journal whose editor hails Hitler, and says he was the "most philosophical figure of the century". And the associate editor says he was "a great man, the greatest leader of the century, and just what Germany needed". #                           A Brief Introduction #                         to Holocaust Revisionism The best brief introduction to "Holocaust revisionism" was given by one of Gannon’s cronies on B-CPU, who wrote "six million alleged dead kikes would stink more than that". A crude statement perhaps, but it embodies the whole intellectual and emotional world of "Holocaust revisionism". [A load of vague, unsubstantiated claims and outright lies deleted]. # and that means originally provided for other purposes did # double duty in improvised arrangements.  Thus the Jews were allegedly # gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, Zyklon-B releases HCN, which is such a poisonous gas it is used up to this day in execution gas chambers in the US. It was a cheap and convenient means of killing great numbers of people. # and their corpses disappeared into the # crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary" causes So what? What’s the problem of using the same furnaces to cremate people who died from different reasons? Just what kind of idiots are we dealing with here? # (the ashes or other # remains of millions of victims never having been found).  Surely any # thoughtful person must be skeptical. A lot of the ashes were actually found (in Maidanek, Sobibor, and elsewhere there are huge piles of ash). However, most of it was buried, dumped into swamps and rivers etc. -Danny Keren.

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Why yes, I do become nostalgic when I think of my earlier years listening to "new wave", although I would only describe X as "new wave in the most GENERAL of terms", (I would more easily term their music as early LA punk), but they would surely fit into the category of "introducing new ideas to the world of music". I think the reason that new wave and esp. early punk have a special place in my heart and head, is that they represented a new and aggressive avenue for me and  my ever-growing disgust for life as I knew it in 1981.

I agree. While we’re getting all misty-eyed, I’ll never forget my early years in "alternative".  I can’t begin to describe what it was like to hear Iggy and the Stooges blasting over commercial FM radio back in ‘73. This was an era where AM was King and Carly Simon was Queen.  Iggy, followed by the New York Dolls and the Ramones, saved me the horrendous Dreck that was Disco.  For all you yungin’s ready to blurt "hey, what’s wrong with Disco", you have no idea how horrid FM disco was back in ‘77.  Hearing "Push, push in the Bush" and the Disco version of "The Lord’s Prayer" every time you turned on the radio was enough to send anyone screaming for a Mowhawk. Access to good music is a hell of a lot better today than it was in the 70’s.  If this were ‘75, the "alt.music" board would probably have spent its time talking about Rita Coolidge bootlegs. Dave D.F. "It’s true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said ‘Buy me a Drink!’."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Don Frega) writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!   So listen to X and not Pearl Jam.  I spose you want to bring disco back, or maybe the sixties?  Or hey, why don’t we all wish really hard and see if we can the Big Bands back?  Sorry… things change, nothing is the same.  AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT GET YOUR OLD ALBUMS OUT AND KEEP ON PLAYING THEM!  You like it?  —YOU listen to it!  That’s what music is all about.  For each person it means something different.  You may have enjoyed INXS in your younger days, but I’m glad my little brother can listen to different bands and get something totally different from the music.  Pearl Jam lives and Culture Club doesn’t.

So things change?  Well no shit asshole!  I haven’t heard "alternative music" change much in the past 4 years!  Your reply (and others like it) once again point out to me the hostility inherent in this newsgroup.  No, I don’t want to bring disco back again, it already resurfaced last year in some Chicago clubs, and we had a fun time with it and put it aside before senseless dicks like yourself could go crazy bashing it once again. If you must know, I’m always trying to get something new from music, which is why I’m currently more interested in groups such as 8 Bold Souls and African Headcharge.  They are truly doing something innovative and interesting as opposed to the mindless regurgitations of your beloved "Alternative Nation" MTV bands.  Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy NIN, Thrill Kill Kult, DM, Nirvana . . . but  I don’t let MTV, Spin magazine or hip dance clubs dictate what I listen to. Now, Erik, if you’re so high and mighty in your defense of alternative, explain to me why the patrons at a bar where I recently DJ’d got up and DANCED (though the bar has no dancefloor) when I played disco, and requested numerous songs by what I’ve dubbed new wave bands?  Perhaps some people aren’t as narrow minded as yourself. In the future, please keep your hostility to yourself when someone starts a good natured thread.  I actually appreciate hostility when it’s warranted, but it has no place here.   —  Don Frega

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Don Frega,  writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?

Uuuuhhh, No. Dave D.F. "It’s true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said ‘Buy me a Drink!’."

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Don Frega,  writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?

        Sure do!  If it weren’t for Punk and New Wave, we wouldn’t have         the same music we do today.  This much is true.  Elvis,         Delta-5, Swell Maps, Cabaret Voltaire, Richard Strange, James         White and the Blacks, the Diodes, Teenage Head, THE DICKIES!,         The Rezillos, Siouxsie, The Cure, 999, Kleenex, Undertones,         BUZZCOCKS!!!!, RENT BOYS (smile when you say that!), the         Demics, Chelsea, Sham 69, STRANGLERS, UK Subs, Gen X, Pistols,         Lene Lovich, Nina Hagen, Dead Boys, Angelic Upstarts, Antipasti         … and the list goes on and on!         Praise be to Gary Numan!  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … kidding! James —         Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, 588 Booth St.         Ottawa, Canada, K1A 0Y7         "Where the Hipsters meet …"

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(Don Frega) writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone?

Apparently *you* don’t remember the early days at all. Those are a bunch of latecomers! What about Devo, the B-52s, Gary Numan, and other bands that were happening in the ’70s? Do I miss it? What’s to miss? The music is still there. I think the radio was alot better in the era you remember (mid ’80s) cuz we had 2 good radio stations here. Now all we get is this "alternative" "cutting edge" crap that sounds like it was made in the ’60s! Come to think of it, there was always too much rock out there, but at least they weren’t afraid to play music with a synth in it. Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!

Yeah? X sucks! I like Techno, myself.  –  Don

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!

I admit it.  Vintage new wave is a vice of mine.  Some recommended CDs:         Just Say Yes-Terday: Just Say Yes, Vol. 6         A sampler from Sire Records.  Selected tracks: "One Step Beyond"         – Madness, "Pop Muzik" – M plus others.  I was crying out in         recognition at just about every other track.         Living In Oblivion         A wonderful sampler of early 80s music.  "Too Shy" – Kaja Googoo,         "Turning Japanese" – The Vapors, "She Blinded Me With Science" –         Thomas Dolby, "Kids In America" – ?? (can’t remember the girl’s         name, sorry.) plus others.         Rock of the ’80s         Three disks in the set so far.  On Priority Records.  I can’t         remember which disks contain which songs but: "Cars" – Gary Numan,         "Video Killed the Radio Star" – The Buggles, "Call Me" – Blondie,         "Is There Something I Should Know" – Duranduran plus others. I recommend all these disks, though be warned: the production quality of the Priority Records disks is a bit spotty.  Still a good deal at about $9 apiece (new) though.                 — Stewart "also listens to goth, industrial, classical,                                 comedy and just about anything else" Tame  I understand it’s obligatory to mention Kibo somewhere in one’s postings. Disclaimer:  Eastern Michigan University and all employees thereof fully agree with my opinions.  The Easter Bunny told me so. "Dear diary, today I ditched the wife and kids and discovered the grisly  pleasure of necrophilia."  – The Dysfunctional Family Circus

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone?

Sounds like you came in a bit late. ‘82-’83 are generally considered the end of "new wave"; at least, that’s when I and everyone I knew stopped using the term and began feeling embarrassed when they heard it. I myself can remember the exact moment: it was when I saw Men At Work called a new-wave band in Rolling Stone magazine. The early days of new-wave were ‘77-’79 or thereabouts; shortly after the punk explosion. Talking Heads, XTC, Television, Blondie, Stranglers, Nina Hagen, Gang of Four, B-52s, Gary Numan, Devo, the Normal, Pretenders… THAT’S the stuff I’d feel nostalgic for. Most of the bands you listed were pale imitations cashing in on the belated chart success of "new wave" music. I mean, Cyndie Lauper? Bubblegum pop with a hairdo. Culture Club? Blue eyed soul with cross-dressing. Maybe I sound bitter … but it annoys me to death whenever I visit LA again and hear KROQ endlessly recycling the same artists you listed. If we must have nostalgia for the near past, let’s at least pick a better past. Myself? I dust those albums off once in a while, but mostly stick to the present day. Seefeel, P J Harvey, My Bloody Valentine, Verve, Swirlies, Talk Talk, Bleach, The Wolfgang Press, the Orb… –Jens Alfke                        Please do not feed peanuts to my deity.             .apple.com

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? and Haircut 100, Ian Drury, Graham Parker, Joe Jackson, Flock of Seagulls, the Knack, God, I’m beginning to feel old.

Join the club.  Anybody have any spare Geritol?  Some of us at the old age home are getting together to see the Romeo Void reunion concert.  Anybody want to come along? — CompuServe – 72210.2210 |                Rent

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*shudder!*  When I read the original post in this thread, I had these terrifying flashbacks of Haircut Armpit and the Flock of Seasludge …

An older Newfie band gets my vote for best satire in a name, and it just happens to flame "new Wave": "Tears for Men Without Seagulls". Dave D.F. "It’s true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said ‘Buy me a Drink!’."

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Being one of the earlier bands of alternative (I hate categorizing but…) music what ever happened to Dead or Alive? I heard "You Spin Me Right Round" and it brought back an old image. Anyone have any info on what happened?

Since this single came out in 1984 Pete Burns & Company has released: * Youthquake * Mad, Bad and Dangerous to Know * Rip It Up * Rip It Up Live The Video (a GREAT live video I might add even though         Pete’s bisexuality – and mostly his homosexuality – is readily         apparent in the video.) * Nude * Fan The Flame part 1 and some other stuff.  But Pete & company have been pretty quite the last couple of years.  I’ve heard nothing about them during this time.  Does anyone know if a new album is coming out? Is the band still together? BTW, has Pete and his wife had any children?  I thought I heard something about Pete a few years back that he wanted to settle down and egads start a family???                   ^sp C-Ya Eric Cory — *Japan (the band)*Beyond the Mind’s Eye*Joy Division*Weird Science* B R I *House of Love*Wire*William Blake(Poet)*Danse Society*New Order*  l u N    University of Northern Iowa                Eric Cory           a n S *Tangerine Dream*Dr. Who*Ultravox*Godzilla*Monty Python*Level 42* e e *Kraftwerk*Depeche Mode*Info Soc*The Shamen*Star Trek:TNG*The Clash*  r *The Sisters of Mercy*Christian Death*M*

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My take on why some people’s new-wave time-frame is ‘77-’79 while others’ is ‘82-’83: New wave didn’t really catch on in the US (with isolated exceptions like "Psycho Killer", "Rock Lobster", "Heart Of Glass", "Whip It", "Precious") until MTV started up and gained popularity, which was in ‘82. In the beginning MTV played a lot of new-wave videos, simply because those bands had more and better videos at that time. This seemed to be what it took to get the youth of America interested in new music. Of course, MTV mostly played the more watered-down, commercially acceptable stuff: Duran Duran, Culture Club, Missing Persons… So the two camps we US new-wavers fall into are (1) those who either were involved in the original punk/new-wave scene in the late ’70s, or were listening to college radio in the early ’80s; and (2) those who tuned into MTV, or MTV-inspired "Rock Of the ’80s" radio formats, in ‘82-’83. –Jens Alfke                        Please do not feed peanuts to my deity.             .apple.com

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BTW I happened to stumble across the Swell Maps CD recently – that seemed a particularly pointless exercise; somehow the sound of typewriter hitting concrete in high fidelity digital stereo struck me as being a bit ironic..would garage bands such as the Maps have made it at all these days? I wonder….

I’ve seen it in the shops also.  I’ve only heard one track by the Swell Maps ("Read about Seymour" or something like that on the "Burning Ambitions – a history of punk" compilation). What is their other stuff like?  Is it as good? BTW, "Burning ambitions" is a good compilation.  It’s a double LP and contains all the 999, Lurkers, Vibrators (now there’s a crap band if I ever heard one!), Stranglers, UK Subs etc you’ll ever need.  Then there’s also some stuff you want to hear more (Adverts, the Fall, Wire, X-Ray Specs…) — Tommi Turkia                   – "If I ever catch that ventriloquist dep’t of translation studies   –  I’ll squeeze his head right into my fist" University of Tampere, Finland –              - Tom Verlaine

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? and Haircut 100, Ian Drury, Graham Parker, Joe Jackson, Flock of Seagulls, the Knack, God, I’m beginning to feel old.

*shudder!*  When I read the original post in this thread, I had these terrifying flashbacks of Haircut Armpit and the Flock of Seasludge — a la _A Clockword Orange_ ("Open your ears, me droogie — this’ll give ya a tolchock in the yarbles!").  And then I hoped it was just a VERY bad dream — but then I read this post.  I fondly remember the early days of X, but there are some memories that are better left repressed. Pass the thorazine. — greg                     | "You want a mystery?  Pick up your phone book … yeah, "PEACE" this       | around here?"        – Howe Gelb

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!

Why yes, I do become nostalgic when I think of my earlier years listening to "new wave", although I would only describe X as "new wave in the most GENERAL of terms", (I would more easily term their music as early LA punk), but they would surely fit into the category of "introducing new ideas to the world of music". I think the reason that new wave and esp. early punk have a special place in my heart and head, is that they represented a new and aggressive avenue for me and  my ever-growing disgust for life as I knew it in 1981.   It was a way to get out of the mainstream and into sounds completely foreign to my ears.  During my first X concert (1983) in fact, I thought I was going to explode!  The slamming was first rate, and Exene exquisitely screaming "Johnny Hit and Run Paulene" (clad in an oversized Iowa Hawkeyes jersey, I might add), just sent me spinning (or was that the slam dancing?)!  But alas, I am not 18 anymore.  Slam dancing doesn’t mean the same.   "Where have those days gone"  you ask?  Oh, they still live in the hearts of many, but have been befriended by newer (sometimes recycled) and even more different sounds.  Admittedly, what was once "alternative" is now mainstream, so these days, the more obscure-sounding/looking/ performing, the better.  Over the past ten years, industrial, experimental and rave, have provided similar emotional outlets for me, as X, NO/JD, Wire, Flipper, etc. etc. did long ago.  (Yup, I’m just an old-timer).  I still listen to my old stuff as often as my new… Enough of this dribble, however. jen "Guns and the bible carved our nation  out of the wilderness…"   (C)N

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Apparently *you* don’t remember the early days at all. Those are a bunch of latecomers! What about Devo, the B-52s, Gary Numan, and other bands that were happening in the ’70s?

   Hell, I remember when Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, the Pretenders,    The Clash and even The Police were considered New Wave.    Back in the late ’70s, I guess anything not considered a post-disco    derivative was considered New Wave.                                      – jogle

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Sounds like you came in a bit late. ‘82-’83 are generally considered the end of "new wave"; at least, that’s when I and everyone I knew stopped using the term and began feeling embarrassed when they heard it. I myself can remember the exact moment: it was when I saw Men At Work called a new-wave band in Rolling Stone magazine. The early days of new-wave were ‘77-’79 or thereabouts; shortly after the punk explosion. Talking Heads, XTC, Television, Blondie, Stranglers, Nina Hagen, Gang of Four, B-52s, Gary Numan, Devo, the Normal, Pretenders… THAT’S the stuff I’d feel nostalgic for. Most of the bands you listed were pale imitations cashing in on the belated chart success of "new wave" music. I mean, Cyndie Lauper? Bubblegum pop with a hairdo. Culture Club? Blue eyed soul with cross-dressing.

        I know exactly how you feel.  I remember all the kids who tried to act "cool" by saying, "I’m into NEW WAVE, like the Flock of Seagulls and Kajagoogoo(sp?)"         Have you ever seen the video tape, URGH! A MUSICAL WAR?  There are some pretty good samples of the later New Wave scene (Gang of Four, Gary Newman, Echo and the Bunnyman, Wall of Voodoo, Devo and lots more).  Check it out. It’s really pretty good. BrianE

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Don’t forget to add the PlugZ to the list, either. By the way, I would like to get ahold of a copy or copy of the Radio Birdman stuff either by trade or purchase.  It’s a missing link in my own collection, Al

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By the way, I would like to get ahold of a copy or copy of the Radio Birdman stuff either by trade or purchase.  It’s a missing link in my own collection,

In case you’re wondering, here’s a discography of what i know (i.e. have): Radios Appear:  First LP, it was released in two versions, each with different post production (all songs the same).   The US release is distorted and compressed all to hell for radio air play, the Aussie version on Trafalgar has way better sound and is funner to listen to IMO. Living Eyes: Second and Last LP.  This can be found in a double LP or CD set with the first LP and was put out by Trafalgar. CD/EP (don’t remember the name):  contained some songs off the first two, plus alternate takes and a couple unreleased tracks. Other recommended bands: The Visitors: Deniz Tek’s band after the Birdguys split.   (He was their guitarist).  Similar in sound.  He’s still doing solo stuff, but its pretty removed from the bird-sound. New Race:  Amazing live LP featuring Rob Younger (ex lead singer), D. Tek and a Stooge and MC5 thrown in for good measure.  Highly recommended. The New Christs:  Younger’s (still?) current band.  Not as good as the old stuff, but similar in style.  "Deitrus" is very highly recommended. Chris Mazuazek (sp?) has also been involved in a lot of worthwhile projects. By the way, these guys were considered "Punk" as were the Plugz and a bunch of other bands people are posting here as "New Wave". Dave D.F. "It’s true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said ‘Buy me a Drink!’."

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Being one of the earlier bands of alternative (I hate categorizing but…) music what ever happened to Dead or Alive? I heard "You Spin Me Right Round" and it brought back an old image. Anyone have any info on what happened? .

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Hey. Let’s not allow the golden glow of nostalgia make us forget how truely terrible some of these bands were. Swell Maps, The Cabs, James White, The ‘Tones, and Buzzcocks I can say a big YES too. But Sham 69, Lene Lovich, and 999, sheesh. I guess my list would include: Wire, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, The Fall, Radio Birdman, Magazine amngst many others Chris

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don Frega,  writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?        Sure do!  If it weren’t for Punk and New Wave, we wouldn’t have        the same music we do today.  This much is true.  Elvis,        Delta-5, Swell Maps, Cabaret Voltaire, Richard Strange, James        White and the Blacks, the Diodes, Teenage Head, THE DICKIES!,        The Rezillos, Siouxsie, The Cure, 999, Kleenex, Undertones,        BUZZCOCKS!!!!, RENT BOYS (smile when you say that!), the        Demics, Chelsea, Sham 69, STRANGLERS, UK Subs, Gen X, Pistols,        Lene Lovich, Nina Hagen, Dead Boys, Angelic Upstarts, Antipasti        … and the list goes on and on!        Praise be to Gary Numan!  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … kidding! James — Hey. Let’s not allow the golden glow of nostalgia make us forget how truely terrible some of these bands were. Swell Maps, The Cabs, James White, The ‘Tones, and Buzzcocks I can say a big YES too. But Sham 69, Lene Lovich, and 999, sheesh.

Yep, and the UK Subs could hardly be claimed as a seminal, influential band…..but there’s no accounting for taste. I guess my list would include: Wire, Teenage Jesus and the Jerks, The Fall, Radio Birdman, Magazine amngst many others

The Gang of Four, Monochrome Set, Undertones, Joy Division, Teardrop Explodes, Mighty Wah! (*in various configurations), Echo & Bunnymen, Bauhaus, Lurkers (! They had ONE good song) are just a few more off the top of my head (What the hell they were doing there I have no idea…) not forgetting the Birthday Party… BTW I happened to stumble across the Swell Maps CD recently – that seemed a particularly pointless exercise; somehow the sound of typewriter hitting concrete in high fidelity digital stereo struck me as being a bit ironic..would garage bands such as the Maps have made it at all these days? I wonder…. Chris

Alan — "I Dunno, it’s seems to me that if they ain’t got you one way, they got you another. So, what’s the answer? That’s what I keep asking myself. What’s it all about? Know what I mean?"                                                           Carter USM/Alfie

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!   —  Don

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(Don Frega) writes: Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!  –  Don

  So listen to X and not Pearl Jam.  I spose you want to bring disco back, or maybe the sixties?  Or hey, why don’t we all wish really hard and see if we can the Big Bands back?  Sorry… things change, nothing is the same.  AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT GET YOUR OLD ALBUMS OUT AND KEEP ON PLAYING THEM!  You like it?  —YOU listen to it!  That’s what music is all about.  For each person it means something different.  You may have enjoyed INXS in your younger days, but I’m glad my little brother can listen to different bands and get something totally different from the music.  Pearl Jam lives and Culture Club doesn’t. Erik P.S.  I enjoyed Culture Club when it was around… and when I really feel like remembering old times (relatively)… I pull out the old COlor By Numbers and pop into the old cassette deck.  If it weren’t for music changing you wouldn’t be able to listen to music and appreciate it the way you do.

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone? Admittedly, a lot of this music has little staying power beyond the fact that we remember it fondly.  But darn it, I’d rather listen to X than Pearl Jam!  –  Don

Well golly gosh darn it, Don, what’s stopping you from listening to X instead of Pearl Jam!?  Especially since X refuses to die and has released new tunes?

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Does anybody else miss the early days of (what I’ll call here) new wave?  I remember a time when INXS was brand new, when The Fixx and Missing Persons introduced new ideas to the world of music, when Culture Club and Cindy Lauper taught a nation how to laugh at themselves?  Oh, where have those days gone?

and Haircut 100, Ian Drury, Graham Parker, Joe Jackson, Flock of Seagulls, the Knack, God, I’m beginning to feel old.

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